Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2014, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote: On 1/13/2014 7:17 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:17:13 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2014 10:49 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: As you've explained it above your theory

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:41 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/13/2014 9:23 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> You'd have a snowball's chance in hell in publishing a paper there >> withOUT academic affiliation... >> >> Edgar >> > > Yeah, arXiv was once pretty open but it got so many papers it's

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, Thanks for the suggestions and encouragement. It's been on my 'to do list' and posting here is helping to clarify the presentation of some of my ideas towards that end. Edgar On Monday, January 13, 2014 3:41:17 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/13/2014 9:23 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > >

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread spudboy100
Matti Pitkannen's VIXRA, an alternative to ARXIV -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2014 3:42 pm Subject: Re: A Theory of Consciousness On 1/13/2014 9:23 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Jason, > > You'd have a snowball's chan

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread LizR
On 14 January 2014 01:08, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Telmo, > > I don't know what the "universal dovetailer" is... > Well, find out. Then you'll be in a position to discuss the matter sensibly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. T

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2014 9:23 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jason, You'd have a snowball's chance in hell in publishing a paper there withOUT academic affiliation... Edgar Yeah, arXiv was once pretty open but it got so many papers it's started to require a 'sponsor' to vouch for new posters. Which is not

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2014 7:17 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:17:13 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2014 10:49 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: As you've explained it above your theory makes a rock just as consc

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Jan 13, 2014, at 11:23 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Jason, You'd have a snowball's chance in hell in publishing a paper there withOUT academic affiliation... I've published there without any academic affiliation. Jason Edgar On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:33:42 AM UTC-5, Jason w

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jason, You'd have a snowball's chance in hell in publishing a paper there withOUT academic affiliation... Edgar On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:33:42 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > Edgar, > > The most well known is the arxiv. It is run out of cornell university. > Their website is arxiv.org > >

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
Edgar, The most well known is the arxiv. It is run out of cornell university. Their website is arxiv.org Jason On Jan 13, 2014, at 7:59 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Telmo, Thanks for the explanation, though it doesn't seem very applicable to actual reality... I would be very interest

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:17:13 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > On 1/10/2014 10:49 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> As you've explained it above your theory makes a rock just as conscious >> as a brain. I'm >> sure you must hav

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Telmo, > > Thanks for the explanation, though it doesn't seem very applicable to actual > reality... http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html > I would be very interested in where one can submit papers with

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Telmo, Thanks for the explanation, though it doesn't seem very applicable to actual reality... I would be very interested in where one can submit papers without an academic affiliation if you could provide names or links. Have you submitted to any? Best, Edgar On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:5

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Edgar, > I don't know what the "universal dovetailer" is... Not to worry, I'm sure not a lot of people do outside of this mailing list... :) Independently of your own theory, it's an interesting concept. Bruno might explain better, but it is basically an algorithm that executes all conceivabl

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-13 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Telmo, I don't know what the "universal dovetailer" is... Again, for the nth time, my theory has nothing to do with "comp" or "UD". It's a completely different theory. Just go by what I say and don't assume any similarities. It's possible there are some but I'll leave that up to others... Edg

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Edgar, > My theory of consciousness is made considerably clearer in detail in my book > on Reality if you want to get the full story :-) > > The answers to some of your questions: > > Sure dreams are real, like everything is, but their reality is that they are > dreams. Actually mind is continu

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2014 10:49 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: As you've explained it above your theory makes a rock just as conscious as a brain. I'm sure you must have a more subtle theory than that, so I'll ask you the same thing I

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-10 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > As you've explained it above your theory makes a rock just as conscious as > a brain. I'm > sure you must have a more subtle theory than that, so I'll ask you the > same thing I asked > Bruno, if I make a robot what do I have to

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-09 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Telmo, My theory of consciousness is made considerably clearer in detail in my book on Reality if you want to get the full story :-) The answers to some of your questions: Sure dreams are real, like everything is, but their reality is that they are dreams. Actually mind is continually actively

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2014-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Edgar, Ok, I'll bite :) On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > All, > > I'll present a brief overview of my theory of consciousness from my book on > Reality here. If anyone is interested I can elaborate. > > To understand consciousness we first must clearly distinguish betwe

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread LizR
On 1 January 2014 14:19, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Liz, > > It's easy to demonstrate that consciousness is NOT its contents by the > simple mental exercise of meditation in which the contents of consciousness > are diminished to the point of vanishing. The more consciousness is emptied > of individu

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, It's easy to demonstrate that consciousness is NOT its contents by the simple mental exercise of meditation in which the contents of consciousness are diminished to the point of vanishing. The more consciousness is emptied of individual contents, the clearer and brighter it becomes. Theref

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread LizR
Dear John, Please don't consider me an opponent. I merely call them how I see them, and expect others to do likewise. I have often been wrong and accepted that fact (and I expect others to (occasionally) do the same). I only come to the conclusion slowly and reluctantly and after thorough testing (

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread John Mikes
Dear Edgar, you use words in your nicely flowing text that raise questions in my 'mind'(?) while reading them. *Consciousness "ITSELF"?* what may be your take on consciousness (not itself)? I mean: the term Ccness as used by diverse authors in diverse contexts applied to their ways of thinking. (A

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread meekerdb
On 12/31/2013 7:09 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, I'll present a brief overview of my theory of consciousness from my book on Reality here. If anyone is interested I can elaborate. To understand consciousness we first must clearly distinguish between consciousness ITSELF and the contents of c

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Edgar, Here's a question for you. Imagine a newborn baby, but a la The Matrix, you substitute computer-generated sense information for his actual senses, using a neural jack type of interface. Does the baby grow up conscious? It seems that your answer for that would have to be no. Terren On

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread LizR
On 1 January 2014 04:09, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > All, > > I'll present a brief overview of my theory of consciousness from my book > on Reality here. If anyone is interested I can elaborate. > > To understand consciousness we first must clearly distinguish between > consciousness ITSELF and the co

Re: A Theory of Consciousness

2013-12-31 Thread Samiya Illias
Interesting! Samiya On 31-Dec-2013, at 8:09 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: > All, > > I'll present a brief overview of my theory of consciousness from my book on > Reality here. If anyone is interested I can elaborate. > > To understand consciousness we first must clearly distinguish between >