Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On S

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 4:58:31 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: > > Craig: > "...If we are sitting inside of an airplane, it could be said that we > don't 'directly experience' the airplane, as we might not be able to tell > the difference, if we woke up there, between the seats on a plane and the >

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-12 Thread John Mikes
Craig: "...If we are sitting inside of an airplane, it could be said that we don't 'directly experience' the airplane, as we might not be able to tell the difference, if we woke up there, between the seats on a plane and the seats on a train. If a piece of the plane fell off though, then we would b

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You alre

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> You already are aware of the relevant

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and > aware of them in a way which is a million times more detailed than any fMRI > could ever be. >

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> Where do you get the idea that subjective events cannot repeat? It >> seems another thing that you've just made up, with no rational >> justification. > > > Subjective events cannot literally repeat for the same reason that > historical e

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more detailed than any fMRI could ever be. No, you bet on them. You are not aware of your brain, in any direct way. S

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, April 8, 2013 8:53:58 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> It does mean you could replicate World War II if you replicate the > >> complex arrangement of matter. It does not mean you would necessarily > >> understand it

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> It does mean you could replicate World War II if you replicate the >> complex arrangement of matter. It does not mean you would necessarily >> understand it if you replicated it, any more than a photocopier >> understands the image it is c

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:46:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> Because it is an observed fact that consciousness is associated with > >> certain complex arrangements of matter. > > > > > > So what? World War II was associat

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> Because it is an observed fact that consciousness is associated with >> certain complex arrangements of matter. > > > So what? World War II was associated with certain complex arrangements of > matter also, but that doesn't mean you could u

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:01:49 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg >>> wrote: >>> >>> Why a

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Why are all of your actions "obviously" due to subconscious influences? > If that were the case wh

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Why are all of your actions "obviously" due to subconscious influences? If that were the case why would personal awareness exist? >>> >>> Your actions are

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:14:27 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes wrote: >>> Stathis wro

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes wrote: >> >>> Stathis wrote: >>> *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I >>> exercise my

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes > > wrote: > >> Stathis wrote: >> *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I >> exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced"* >> *

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Stathis wrote: > *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I > exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced"* > * > * > And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works on both > c

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-03-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:26:23 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: > > Stathis wrote: > *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I > exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced"* > * > * > And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works o