Re: Trump Supporters?

[Alan Grayson]

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 12:43:56 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this 
> technological marvel called the media, which now includes the internet. 
> Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie 
> repeated often enough assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has 
> becomes a crap-fest of nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes 
> outright lies. With the massive dollars behind this industry liberality 
> based on evidence, facts, and logic is simply drowned out in the huge 
> decibel volume against it. Donald t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels 
> did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and hustler.
>
> LC
>

Lawrence, I wish you wouldn't use the term "media" so broadly, as if there 
aren't any objective news sources out there. I watch CNN and MSNBC 
regularly, and the way I see it is that their presentations are essentially 
objective, but negative wrt Trump because he has earned it. AG 

>
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
>>
>> [*Philip Benjamin*]  
>>
>> Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America 
>> haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist 
>> PAGANS or *WAMP-the-Ingrate*, who hate the very foundations and founders 
>> of this Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, 
>> surely KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It 
>> was a question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. 
>> of Justice has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into 
>> the *politico*-*deep state- media* usurpation of the American government 
>> at all levels from the City/County and State to the *Non-sovereign 
>> Federation of the Sovereign States* of this Constitutional Republic of 
>> Lex Rex and not Rex Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm). See *Lex 
>> Rex* of Samuel Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high 
>> recommendation by the “Prince of Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). 
>> American Constitution is an extension of various Church Constitutions. The 
>> Colonies already had all institutions of Freedom in place after the 
>> historical and historic *First Great Awakening*. No other people EVER in 
>> the annals of history did or could have ever come up with any such ideas. 
>> *The 
>> Magna Carta* (*of “We the Nobles*”), the *Mayflower Compact* and the 
>> Puritan *Mission Statement to American Indians* come close. Ignorance 
>> coupled with willful disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the 
>> WAMP-erial campuses is a sure path to victory for 
>> Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of Nordic pagan Hitler, 
>> Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini etc., or of the type of 
>> Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
>> https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/ 
>>   
>>
>> Compare it wit 
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/ 
>>
>> *Philip Benjamin*
>>
>> *~~*
>>
>> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *John Clark
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
>> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> >> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
>> *"The son of **God is **omniscient* *and* *omnipotent** knowing history 
>> in advance and being able to control its course**”.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *> **The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind 
>> are parabola and should never been taken literally.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to 
>> explain away his many many lies.
>>
>>  
>>
>> > *Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never 
>> met a christian who believe in the anything as naive. *
>>
>>  
>>
>> You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who 
>> didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
>> have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
>> C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i-t-y, although 
>> I have not personally met them.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *> **You might read the book by Jean Trouillard or Paul Valadier. You 
>> might change your mind on this, but perhaps you don’t want to change your 
>> mind.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don't want to read their books because I see little point in reading a 
>> book written by someone who knows even less about how the world really 
>> works than I do. Life is too short to read every book ever written so one 
>> must use judgement and be selective.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  John K Clark
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 12:47 PM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:


> *> I suppose the distinction between a capitalist system is the
> corporations own the government, while in a socialist or communist system
> the government own the corporations.*


There will always be concentrations of power in any society, the more there
are the less likely one will be able to become totalitarian. There are lots
of corporations but only one government, so given the choice i would much
rather have the corporations own the government than the government own the
corporations.

*> I could go further, including why I am not a libertarian. I pondered
> that nonsense years ago. The problem is that market systems are just not
> stable.*


Not stable compared to what? I agree the free market is inferior to a
government staffed entirely by genius saints, but unfortunately such people
are are rather difficult to find; I like the free market because it is self
correcting even if nobody involved is a genius or a saint:

I manufacture 99% of the worlds widgets, you make 1%. I want to drive you
out of business, so I figure I'll lower my price until you go broke and
then I can jack them up to anything I want. So now you lose money on each
widget you sell, the trouble is I do too. I have 99 times as much money as
you do, but I'm losing it 99 times faster. Even worse, because the price is
very low the demand for widgets is huge, and if prices are to remain low I
must build more factories (or oil wells) and increase production. I'm
losing money faster and faster, meanwhile you just temporally halt
production in your small factory and wait for me to go broke. It won't be a
long wait.


>  > *They can collapse, and do so rather spontaneously. These can drag
> lots of people into misery and death. Even if you had a libertarian system
> without government,*
>

If we were starting from scratch I would suggest Anarcho-Capitalism, I
think it would be far superior to democracy, but unfortunately we are not
starting from scratch and so it would be very difficult to get there from
here;  but don't let the word "anarchy" scare you, it just means lack of
government. Chaos necessarily implies anarchy but anarchy does not
necessarily imply chaos.

Good laws are no different from anything else, if you want to maximize
something then make it a commodity and sell it on the free market. But
nobody does that for laws, that's why there are far more good cars than
good laws. In a world with minimal or no government Privately Produced
Law (PPL)
would have Private Protection Agencies (PPA's) to back them up. Disputes
among PPA's would be settled by an independent arbitrator agreed to by both
parties BEFORE the disagreement happened. Something like that can exist
today. When companies sign complicated contracts they sometimes also agree
on who will arbitrate it if differences in interpretation happen. Nobody
wants to get caught up in the slow, expensive court system run by
governments.

The arbitrator is paid by the case, and because he is picked by both sides,
it's in his interest to be as just as possible. If he favored one side
over another or made brutal or stupid decisions he would not be picked
again and would need to look for a new line of work. Unlike present day
judges and juries, justice would have a positive survival value for the
arbitrator.

All parties would have a reason to avoid violence if possible. The
disputing parties would not want to turn their front yard into a war zone,
and violence is expensive. The successful protection agencies would be more
interested in making money than saving face. Most of the time this would
work so I expect the total level of violence to be less than in the nation
state system we have now, but I'm not such a utopian as to suggest it will
drop to zero. Even when force is not used the implicit threat is always
there, another good reason to be civilized.

Please note that I'm not talking about justice only for the rich. If a rich
man's PPA makes unreasonable demands (beatings, sidewalk justice, I insist
on my mother being the judge if I get into trouble,etc) it's going to need
one hell of a lot of firepower to back it up. That kind of army is
expensive because of the hardware needed and because of the very high wages
it will need to pay its employees for an extremely dangerous job. To pay
for all this they will need to charge their clients enormous fees severely
limiting their customer base and that means even higher charges. They could
never get the upper hand, because the common man's PPA would be able to
outspend a PPA that had outrageous demands and was just for the super rich.
A yacht cost much more than a car, yet the Ford motor Company is far richer
than all the yacht builders on the planet combined.

No system can guarantee justice to everybody all the time but you'd have
the greatest chance of finding it in Anarcho-Capitalism. In a dictatorship
one man's whim can lead to hell on 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[PGC]

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 7:45:46 PM UTC+2, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Well Krupp Steel and the other German industrialists "believed," they 
> could control dolf, via the money supply. They, in 1929, as I recall, 
> founded the a. hitler fund, to finance his career. When the 1929 stock 
> market crash happened, and set of the depression, which under Hoover and 
> Rooselvelt's public polices became the Great Depression. dolf was in like 
> Flynn. Hoover's signing of Smoot-Hawley, as the late senator and historian 
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, was the road that led to WW2, Hiroshima, and 
> Auschwitz. 
>

Nobody here cares for propaganda that one dimensional. I want the 
professional adult kind of propaganda. For a nanosecond, German press 
parses things like this, excuse the awkward formulation due to half-assed 
translation:


A meeting of far right nationalists from France, Netherlands, Germany, 
Bulgaria, Slovakia, Austria, Flanders, Denmark, Estonia etc. took place in 
Italy. Eleven parties from the old world got together to organize their 
super-caucus before the recent European elections, proclaiming themselves 
to be “the real Europeans” preparing to enter a parliament they despise. 
Stage in Milan, Puccini victory aria of the sun rising and “Vinceró!”, 
without a hint of the turbulence and drama from Vienna, where the fall of 
the now world famous vice chancellor, through a video with unclear source, 
brought the entire government to its knees. 


They all pretended “nothing happened” even though they knew the opposite. 
We’re not talking miscellaneous govt. officials passing themselves Nazi 
gifs on their messaging apps on Adolph’s Birthday; the tape implicated 
highest levels of govt. exposing the precarious state of Austrian politics 
because its viewing sets up fundamental questions: are these guys 
trustworthy to the degree that they should be managing state-level 
business/affairs… Is Austria just some special case, as the right will have 
us believe, or is this representative of how the right exists and operates 
internationally… with an extremely relaxed view on how parties are funded, 
relaxed relations to foreign sources of income, carefree relations to 
branches of justice and pretty lenient and liberal in representing truth.


Talk about the rule of law… And we seen some sick stuff but that vice 
chancellor tripping balls in Ibiza… how pro gangsta his moves were. If we 
were directing the scene, we’d tell our subject to tone down his 
performance/level of detail/the hard sell a bit, as nobody’s gonna believe 
the thing. 


Then the usual battle for interpretation took its course, supporters 
downplaying the thing and opponents going “nope! That’s what this is.” 
Particularly the oh so patriotic new avant-garde apparently has no problem 
conspiring with foreign interests and selling their country’s political 
wares to get funded by dubious, nebulous types, and have their agendas 
dictated to them. They think this is the game and how it is won. Suddenly 
the conspiracy guys railing against and mucking with the system… *are 
themselves the corrupt elite.* 


Of course, our naive interpretation here is spun as “creating fake pseudo 
scandal liberal bullshit” and “that’s internal Austrian affairs. Isolated 
case.” There is vulnerability here, because the German right wing is 
fighting allegations of breaking campaign finance laws. Plus the video 
reignites the whole Russian connection narrative. Another constant with the 
nouveau right in Europe. A Russian ministerial document for example, that 
classifies a member of the German Bundestag wing of these guys as a “member 
under absolute control”. Intel guys mumbling stuff about Russian strategy 
changes with less focus on setting agendas through their own channels and 
media with increased focus on controlling individual targets with estimates 
ranging to about a dozen trojans. And of course the guys in question claim 
defamation and no ties to Russia. 


But they enjoy traveling there apparently, and find journalistic inquiries 
as to who picks up the checks where and why “petty”. Checking out Marine’s 
French version of the Milan meeting in 2014 in Lyon reveals yet again the 
presence of Russian delegates/influence. Two years after that they applied 
for 3 million Euro loan from Moskau but no clear evidence of receipt 
although there are further clues that she could’ve traded that cash for 
legitimizing Krim annexation; basically shutting her trap on it. SMS stuff 
from Kreml officials “Marine did not disappoint expectations” and “we’re 
gonna have to thank the French one way or another”. 


Same with Brexit master Farage: investigations of receiving convoluted 
payments from Russia. Destabilization of Europe is in Russian interest too. 
Connection to the Italian right’s, Salvini’s insistence on discontinuing 
the “useless if not harmful sanctions against Russia”. Does the Greek right 
wing with its discourse around “natural 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Well Krupp Steel and the other German industrialists "believed," they could 
control dolf, via the money supply. They, in 1929, as I recall, founded the a. 
hitler fund, to finance his career. When the 1929 stock market crash happened, 
and set of the depression, which under Hoover and Rooselvelt's public polices 
became the Great Depression. dolf was in like Flynn. Hoover's signing of 
Smoot-Hawley, as the late senator and historian Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, 
was the road that led to WW2, Hiroshima, and Auschwitz. 
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/chap16_part13.asp

https://fee.org/articles/fdrs-folly-how-roosevelt-and-his-new-deal-prolonged-the-great-depression/

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2019 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:33 PM Lawrence Crowell  
wrote:


> The equivalency between the two parties is often drawn with the fact they 
> both take corporate campaign donations.

I don't mind that so much, governments have caused vastly more misery in the 
world than governments, that's why I became a libertarian.

I presume you meant to say more misery in the world than business. Well, I 
suppose the distinction between a capitalist system is the corporations own the 
government, while in a socialist or communist system the government own the 
corporations. Ernst Krupp wrote in 1933, "We have put Mr. Hitler on the 
payroll." 
I could go further, including why I am not a libertarian. I pondered that 
nonsense years ago. The problem is that market systems are just not stable. 
They can collapse, and do so rather spontaneously. These can drag lots of 
people into misery and death. Even if you had a libertarian system without 
government, or government intrusions, the corporations would at some point end 
up inventing a government. I can also say that I am not a lot of things that 
end in "ism" "ian" "anity" and so forth. These ideological scripts are to me 
largely nonsense. I do vote in most elections, even the minor ones, but I 
largely do not so much vote for certain candidates, but against certain 
candidates.
LC 
 

> Of course we all know that tariffs are a terrible way to cure trade 
> imbalances,

Yes, and as as often as not trade imbalances don't even need to be cured, I 
have a trade imbalance with my local supermarket, I buy lots of stuff from them 
and they never buy anything from me, but that's OK with me. 
> but with t'Rump his 6th grade understanding of the world says otherwise,

You're insulting school kids, I would much rather have a bright 6th grader as 
president.  

 > The wealth gaps and the exponential growth in the power of billionaires, 
 > while the average middle class or "petite bourgeoisie" person is falling 
 > into at best income stagnation or decline, are a recipe for future chaos.

Yes, that's what made me change my political philosophy, until a few years ago 
I was a hardcore libertarian, I still am on social issues but not economic 
ones. I've always thought if a theory doesn't fit the facts then it must be 
abandoned regardless of how much you love it, and I saw some fact I just could 
not ignore.  In 2010 the richest 388 people had as much wealth as poorest half 
of the entire human race, that's 3.6 Billion people. In 2014 the richest 85 
people did. In 2015 the richest 62 people did. In 2017 the richest 8 people 
did. Think of it, the 8 richest Human beings have as much wealth as the poorest 
3.6 BILLION Human beings! History has pretty decisively shown that huge wealth 
inequality just ain't healthy for any society, although history has no examples 
of inequality of the magnitude we have now.
 The improvements in AI that are certain to come in the next few years will 
only accelerate the acceleration of this socially destabilizing trend unless 
something pushes back, something like government action. Health insurance for 
all might be a good place to start. However Donald Trump wants to push for 
lowering taxes on the rich, getting rid of the inheritance tax, and eliminating 
health care for the 24 million poorest people in the country;  but that's 
pushing in the wrong direction and will only accelerate the acceleration of the 
acceleration of the wealth gap. Anybody who is not terrified by this doesn't 
understand the situation.
 
One way or another this trend will NOT continue, if government action doesn't 
slow down the widening of the gap something far far more unpleasant will. If I 
were one of those 8 hyper rich people I'd be calling for change louder than 
anyone because I like the fact that there is a connection between my head and 
my shoulders and would prefer to keep it that way. Let me be clear, I'm not 
talking about "should", I'm not talking about morality, I'm just saying that 
when the gap between 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:33 PM Lawrence Crowell  > wrote:
>
> > The equivalency between the two parties is often drawn with the fact 
>> they both take corporate campaign donations.
>>
>
> I don't mind that so much, governments have caused vastly more misery in 
> the world than governments, that's why I became a libertarian.
>

I presume you meant to say more misery in the world than business. Well, I 
suppose the distinction between a capitalist system is the corporations own 
the government, while in a socialist or communist system the government own 
the corporations. Ernst Krupp wrote in 1933, "We have put Mr. Hitler on the 
payroll." 

I could go further, including why I am not a libertarian. I pondered that 
nonsense years ago. The problem is that market systems are just not stable. 
They can collapse, and do so rather spontaneously. These can drag lots of 
people into misery and death. Even if you had a libertarian system without 
government, or government intrusions, the corporations would at some point 
end up inventing a government. I can also say that I am not a lot of things 
that end in "ism" "ian" "anity" and so forth. These ideological scripts are 
to me largely nonsense. I do vote in most elections, even the minor ones, 
but I largely do not so much vote for certain candidates, but against 
certain candidates.

LC
 

>
> > Of course we all know that tariffs are a terrible way to cure trade 
>> imbalances,
>>
>
> Yes, and as as often as not trade imbalances don't even need to be cured, 
> I have a trade imbalance with my local supermarket, I buy lots of stuff 
> from them and they never buy anything from me, but that's OK with me.
>  
>
>> > but with t'Rump his 6th grade understanding of the world says 
>> otherwise,
>>
>
> You're insulting school kids, I would much rather have a bright 6th grader 
> as president. 
>  
>
>> > The wealth gaps and the exponential growth in the power of 
>> billionaires, while the average middle class or "petite bourgeoisie" person 
>> is falling into at best income stagnation or decline, are a recipe for 
>> future chaos.
>>
>
> Yes, that's what made me change my political philosophy, until a few years 
> ago I was a hardcore libertarian, I still am on social issues but not 
> economic ones. I've always thought if a theory doesn't fit the facts then 
> it must be abandoned regardless of how much you love it, and I saw some 
> fact I just could not ignore.
>   
> In 2010 the richest 388 people had as much wealth as poorest half of the 
> entire human race, that's 3.6 Billion people. In 2014 the richest 85 
> people did. In 2015 the richest 62 people did. In 2017 the richest 8 
> people did. Think of it, the 8 richest Human beings have as much wealth as 
> the poorest 3.6 BILLION Human beings! History has pretty decisively shown 
> that huge wealth inequality just ain't healthy for any society, although 
> history has no examples of inequality of 
> the
>  magnitude
> we have now.
>
>  
> The improvements in AI that are certain to come
>  
> in the next few years
>  
> will only accelerate the acceleration of this socially destabilizing trend 
> unless something pushes back, something like government action. Health 
> insurance for all might be a good place to start. However Donald Trump 
> wants to push for lowering taxes on the rich, getting rid of the 
> inheritance tax, and eliminating health care for
>  
> the
>  
> 24 million
>  
> poorest people in the country;
>  
>  but that's pushing in the wrong direction and will only accelerate the 
> acceleration of 
> the acceleration 
> of the wealth gap.
>  
> Anybody who is not terrified by this doesn't understand the situation.
>  
> One way or another this trend will NOT continue, if government action 
> doesn't slow down the widening of the gap something far far more unpleasant 
> will.
> If
>  I were one of those 8 hyper rich people I'd be calling for change louder 
> than anyone because I like the fact that there is a connection between my 
> head and my shoulders and would prefer to keep it that way.
> Let me be clear, 
> I'm not talking about "should", I'm not talking about morality, I'm just 
> saying 
> that 
> when the gap between the rich and the poor gets 
> too 
> large social instability occurs
> and that can be very unhealthy for those at the very top.
>   
>
> Americans like to think they live in a meritocracy but they don't, the 
> truth is if you're born poor in the USA and are talented you're less likely 
> to get rich than if you were born in other advanced countries, particularly 
> one of the Scandinavian socialist countries. Take a look at this graph, 
> it's informally called "The Great Gatsby Curve" by economists and is a 
> plot of the Gini coefficient for several industrialized countries (a 
> measure of economic inequality) against economic mobility (the likelihood 
> if you're born in one economic class you'll die 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I'd go for a cross-state (the Euro's will be confused by this!) wide 
participation on plans, millions throw in, millions take out. I'd do medicare 
for all as a temp thing to cross over into eventually. Obamacare was insolvency 
care and the rates kept going vastly, higher and higher. This is why it 
croaked,  not because of nefarious conservatives, but for inbuilt ideological 
viewpoints, or what's an excreta-covered Los Angeles for?  


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> Well,  to tell the world that Most Americans do not have insurance coverage 
> would be one of the democrat lies.

I never said most don't have insurance, but before Obamacare 41 million people 
didn't have any, thanks to Obamacare that number shrank to 28.5, but if Trump 
had got his way (and he nearly did) with his "repeal and replace" obscenity 
that number would have grown to 52.5 million. Repeal and replace would have 
been even worse than just a straight repeal.  

The USA spends FAR more on healthcare than any other country on the planet and 
has done so for many decades, yet it doesn't seem to be getting much bang for 
the buck. In 2016 the USA spends $9451 per-person per-year on healthcare but is 
only #31 on the list of countries with the longest lived citizens; Japan is #1 
on the longevity list and spend only $4150 per person per year, Australia is # 
4 and spends $4420, and at  #31 is the USA which spends $9451. Every one of the 
top 30 longevity countries have 3 things in common:
1) They all live longer than people in the USA
2) They all spend far less on healthcare than the USA does.
3) Unlike the USA they all have Single Payer Healthcare.


> As far as Gates goes, for the richest dude on earth (sometimes) he doesn't 
> give jack,

Gates has given away far more money than other person in human history, and he 
done it very wisely (vaccines and clean water). It's estimated that since 1990 
he has saved 122 million lives.
 John K Clark




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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
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> Well,  to tell the world that Most Americans do not have insurance
> coverage would be one of the democrat lies.
>

I never said most don't have insurance, but before Obamacare 41 million
people didn't have any, thanks to Obamacare that number shrank to 28.5, but
if Trump had got his way (and he nearly did) with his "repeal and replace"
obscenity that number would have grown to 52.5 million. Repeal and replace
would have been even worse than just a straight repeal.

The USA spends FAR more on healthcare than any other country on the planet
and has done so for many decades, yet it doesn't seem to be getting much
bang for the buck. In 2016 the USA spends $9451 per-person per-year on
healthcare but is only #31 on the list of countries with the longest lived
citizens; Japan is #1 on the longevity list and spend only $4150 per person
per year, Australia is # 4 and spends $4420, and at  #31 is the USA which
spends $9451. Every one of the top 30 longevity countries have 3 things in
common:

1) They all live longer than people in the USA
2) They all spend far less on healthcare than the USA does.
3) Unlike the USA they all have Single Payer Healthcare.


> As far as Gates goes, for the richest dude on earth (sometimes) he
> doesn't give jack,
>

Gates has given away far more money than other person in human history, and
he done it very wisely (vaccines and clean water). It's estimated that
since 1990 he has saved 122 million lives.

 John K Clark



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Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Well,  to tell the world that Most Americans do not have insurance coverage 
would be one of the democrat lies."Health insurance coverage in the United 
States is provided by several public and private sources. During 2016, the U.S. 
population overall was approximately 325 million, with 53 million people 65 
years of age and over, covered by the federal Medicare program. The 272 million 
non-institutional people under age 65 either obtained their coverage from 
employer-based (155 million) or non-employer based (90 million) sources, or 
were uninsured (27 million).[1] Approximately 15 million military personnel 
received coverage through the Veteran's Administration and Military Health 
System.[2] During the year 2016, 91.2% of Americans had health insurance 
coverage.[3] Despite being among the top world economic powers, the US remains 
the sole industrialized nation in the world without universal health care 
coverage.[4][5]"Source: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States
As far as Gates goes, for the richest dude on earth (sometimes) he doesn't give 
jack, compared to the self-promoting. late,Teresa. Moral equivalence has zero 
to do with practical matters, like creating and distributing wealth. Your 
siding with Gates simply indicates that you'll tolerate any sort of oligarch 
that funds the party. Where as the Koch brothers, to my eyes are as 
anti-American as the dems are! This is why the uber rich have 3 homes in the 
world. So when they wreck this place, they can set up shop, elsewhere. 

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Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?


On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:32 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


>Yes indeed, but it is still rule by rich Rogues whether the Koch's or Georgy 
>Soros. 

Do you think there is a difference between the rich ruling that the rich should 
pay more taxes to pay for healthcare for the poor and the rich ruling that the 
poor should receive less healthcare so the rich could get yet another tax 
break? I do, I think there is a difference.

 

> Banks were declared too big to fail, under Bush 43, and happy Obama continued 
> their funding, if you remember?

I do remember and Obama was absolutely positively correct,  they were too big 
to fail, if they had 2008 would have been 1929. We came within a gnat's ass of 
a total economic meltdown and I give Obama great credit for avoided that, I 
just wish he had done more because we did get the worst rescission in 80 years 
and that could have been avoided if he had also bailed out Lehman brothers.
Fun Fact: the loans were paid back by 2012 and the government actually ended up 
making 266.7 billion dollars out of the bailout deal due to interest and 
dividends. 
> There are hardly any, billionaire good guys,

I don't agree with that at all! Bill Gates has saved more lives and reduced the 
net amount of misery in the world VASTLY more than Mother Teresa ever did. 
Gates has already given away 50 billion dollars and he isn't finished yet, and 
just as important he has given away the money very intelligently (mostly in the 
third world) to maximize the number of lives saved. Gates gave it away so 
wisely that Warren Buffet asked Gates to figure out how to best give away his 
money too. If I could be assured that all future billionaires would be like 
them I wouldn't worry so much, but there is no such assurance. 
 

> which is why the globalist crap has been pushed by both parties,

I said it before I'll say it again, in the era of Trump its absolutely nuts to 
claim there is any sort of moral equivalence between the two political parties. 
  
 

> For a health care plan that beats UK style ones [...]

Beats the UK style health plan? You are ambitious! I'd be delighted if the USA 
had a plan that was half as good.
John K Clark
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:32 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*>Yes indeed, but it is still rule by rich Rogues whether the Koch's or
> Georgy Soros. *
>

Do you think there is a difference between the rich ruling that the rich
should pay more taxes to pay for healthcare for the poor and the rich
ruling that the poor should receive less healthcare so the rich could get
yet another tax break? I do, I think there is a difference.



> *> Banks were declared too big to fail, under Bush 43, and happy Obama
> continued their funding, if you remember?*
>

I do remember and Obama was absolutely positively correct,  they were too
big to fail, if they had 2008 would have been 1929. We came within a gnat's
ass of a total economic meltdown and I give Obama great credit for avoided
that, I just wish he had done more because we did get the worst rescission
in 80 years and that could have been avoided if he had also bailed out
Lehman brothers.

Fun Fact: the loans were paid back by 2012 and the government actually
ended up making 266.7 billion dollars out of the bailout deal due to
interest and dividends.


> > There are hardly any, billionaire good guys,
>

I don't agree with that at all! Bill Gates has saved more lives and reduced
the net amount of misery in the world VASTLY more than Mother Teresa ever
did. Gates has already given away 50 billion dollars and he isn't finished
yet, and just as important he has given away the money very intelligently
(mostly in the third world) to maximize the number of lives saved. Gates
gave it away so wisely that Warren Buffet asked Gates to figure out how to
best give away his money too. If I could be assured that all
future billionaires would be like them I wouldn't worry so much, but there
is no such assurance.


> > *which is why the globalist crap has been pushed by both parties,*
>

I said it before I'll say it again, in the era of Trump its absolutely nuts
to claim there is any sort of moral equivalence between the two political
parties.


> *> For a health care plan that beats UK style ones* [...]
>

Beats the UK style health plan? You are ambitious! I'd be delighted if the
USA had a plan that was half as good.

John K Clark

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Re: Trump Supporters?

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Yes indeed, but it is still rule by rich Rogues whether the Koch's or Georgy 
Soros. Banks were declared too big to fail, under Bush 43, and happy Obama 
continued their funding, if you remember? There are hardly any, billionaire 
good guys, which is why the globalist crap has been pushed by both parties, 
decimating the US middle class. For a health care plan that beats UK style 
ones, we need to go to massively, interstate, and maybe inter-continental 
health plans, that covers tens of millions as a pay-in, pay-out. Don't mind me, 
I am but an American serf, an NPC, because the in this world, cash is the ghost 
in the machine.

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Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:10 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


So, you don't feel that the democrats are funded by billionaires as well and do 
the billionaires bidding?

It depends on the billionaire.  Warren Buffett and Bill Gates agree with the 
democrats that everybody in the USA should have health care and it should be 
payed for by increasing the taxes on the rich. The Koch brothers and Sheldon 
Adelson want to lower the taxes on the rich even more than Trump already has 
and pay for that loss of income by striping 22 million Americans of what little 
health care they currently have.  
> Do you think that democrats are the party of the 'little guy," or the US 
> middle class?

The middle class, which is a big improvement from being the party of the super 
mega uber rich.

John K Clark 
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

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So, you don't feel that the democrats are funded by billionaires as well
> and do the billionaires bidding?
>

It depends on the billionaire.  Warren Buffett and Bill Gates agree with
the democrats that everybody in the USA should have health care and it
should be payed for by increasing the taxes on the rich. The Koch brothers
and Sheldon Adelson want to lower the taxes on the rich even more than
Trump already has and pay for that loss of income by striping 22 million
Americans of what little health care they currently have.


> *> Do you think that democrats are the party of the 'little guy," or the
> US middle class?*
>

The middle class, which is a big improvement from being the party of the
super mega uber rich.

John K Clark

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So, you don't feel that the democrats are funded by billionaires as well and do 
the billionaires bidding?Do you think that democrats are the party of the 
'little guy," or the US middle class?You do know that the money flows in from 
the uber rich and this, then, is a Plutocracy? Or do you feel it's a republic?


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On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks  wrote:


  > I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions.

I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business, just a 
few years ago right wingers thought the CIA and FBI were the good guys and the 
Kremlin the bad guys but Trump suporters thing the oposite, the republican 
right wing were free traders but Trump is a self described "tariff man", the 
right wing was for smaller less intrusive government but Trump wants the 
government to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies.
I don't use the word "fascist" lightly, I'm not in the habit, as some on the 
left are, of calling anyone who's politics I disagree with a fascist, but when 
it comes to Trump supporters I sincerely think the word is justified; 53% of 
republicans say they would be OK with Trump canceling the 2020 election. And 
Fascist dictators cancel elections, lead chants to imprison their political 
opponents, try to change the law so they can sue newspapers and close them down 
when they write articles against them, jail reporters who don't cooperate, 
order TV networks to stop satirizing them, put family members in positions of 
power, tell police not to be gentle when they arrest somebody, say some Nazis 
are "very good people" and develop a cult following that will believe anything 
they say, such as vaccines cause autism or windmills cause cancer.
Today it's foolish to claim there is a moral equivalence between the two major 
political parties, at one time there was one (and I was a Republican for most 
of my life) but there is no equivalence anymore. The Democrats have done stuff 
that is very unwise and unfair but it would be going way too far to call them 
fascist. A fascist political party is as bad as things can get, the sort of 
thing you saw in Europe in the 1930s, and things are not currently as bad as 
things can get but only because the American Fascist Party (aka Republicans) 
still has some competition from a very large but sometimes silly and often 
dysfunctional non-fascist party, the democrats.

 John K Clark   
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

It's an attempt to control or coral the rest of us. I look at the Left 
(soc-comms) whether media or not, as sort of an obsessive-compulsive disorder. 
Hell, I should know, I used to be one them.  


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Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 8:14 pm
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About every century there is a tendency for more sociopathic disordered or 
malignant narcissists, such as t'Rump *-- see below for more, to assume power. 
Last century this occurred with the rise of communism in Russia and fascism in 
western Europe. The century before beginning with the end of the 18th century 
had Jacobins having fun chopping heads in Paris which culminated in Napoleon. 
There have been about every century a flare up of these, and the 17th century 
saw all sorts of collective insanity with the 30 Years War, the Huguenot war, 
the English Civil War and so forth. Based on the general time table, we are 
coming due for the next grand episode of chaos. And just as the Grateful Dead 
song Hell in a Bucket puts it the snakes come marching in --- and sure enough 
here they come. We may be heading into a doozie this time, as we have the 
nuclear explosive power to unleash several thousand WWII's. It looks to me that 
the United States as the leader in the world is now the leader in the coming 
next mass insanity.
Look it up, but there is an interview by Barbara Walters of Donald t'Rump where 
the camera makes views of his office walls. These wall are covered with 
portraits of himself. Donald t'Rump sees himself as the most brilliant of 
people, when a professor at his Alma mater called him "the dumbest goddammed 
student he ever knew."  Danald t'Rump is way past the point of the Dunning 
Kruger effect. He is also clearly narcissistic and has also been investigated 
by SNY Attorney General for laundering money going back decades. He is a man 
who serves the criminal world by laundering its money through illicit real 
estate transactions.
For decades now anything liberal has been repeatedly labelled as almost 
satanic. The messages of this have been thumping people for decades and now we 
are at a point where if you do have some liberality of mind you now find 
yourself contemplating leaving the country. Of course the problem is this is 
infectious and a number of other nations are into this. Also there is the rise 
of fascist parties, and in the US we are seeing the rise of far extremists such 
as neo-Nazis. I see lots of people who have drunk the koolaid of this shit, and 
it is growing in popularity. On the other hand maybe I should just give this a 
shrug. I really question whether humanity is going to exist past a half century 
or so. So whiskey tango foxtrot, maybe if we are all going to die why not let 
the psychopaths and their idiot followers just blow it all up, rather than 
going out in a whimper?
LC 

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 4:12:17 PM UTC-5, PGC wrote:


On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 6:53:36 PM UTC+2, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
Because B lies all the more to try to get elected? 



I'll bite the conspiracy discourse bait today by phrasing as follows: There are 
lying corrupt fucks on every side and if you don't identify with simplistic 
politics and its boring ideological labels, then why post at all? To advertise 
your innocence to strangers? Post your name, address, and your credit card 
details with security number please. You'll understand why a few lines down.
Fun and games aside: Who's party/ideology will more likely bring results to 
working class wages, pensions, medical bills, work accidents, workers rights, 
and a tomorrow with less toxic shit piling up where you live? Which party 
history/profile, with all the upper class corrupt bullshit and propaganda of 
all of them fits the bill, at least to a tiny bare minimum?
Which side is more likely to stupidly and expensively try to educate people, 
diminish student debts for those trying to set better track for their home 
zone, instead of snubbing them and pretending they don't exist? 
So surprise, I guess you want to drag me into a flame war: credit card details 
to me privately NOW or no show. Why? Because your vote has consequences: you 
voted to fuck education, so you guys gotta pay up front! BooyakahYeah bitches! 
Plus I copyrighted my cursing to make up for this lesson that you're not paying 
for! Gazingblingbling: That's a double in yo faces!
These answers are not pretty (except my cursing, which is of course classy and 
copyrighted as fuck), definitely far from any ideals we have the luxury to 
discuss out here... but it is what it is, folks. The maverick billionaire with 
cartoon hair will keep mavericking your net take with his billionaire cronies, 
probably on your death beds through some dumb liberal black trans doctors with 
terminator dildos... and guess what? We'll still have to pay more! PGC 
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Yeah, of course!  Nyet Problemy, comrade!
 

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Darwin bless us all!



Lol, not you. He'd say you're voting against your own survival, work, meds, and 
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:33 PM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The equivalency between the two parties is often drawn with the fact they
> both take corporate campaign donations.
>

I don't mind that so much, governments have caused vastly more misery in
the world than governments, that's why I became a libertarian.

> Of course we all know that tariffs are a terrible way to cure trade
> imbalances,
>

Yes, and as as often as not trade imbalances don't even need to be cured, I
have a trade imbalance with my local supermarket, I buy lots of stuff from
them and they never buy anything from me, but that's OK with me.


> > but with t'Rump his 6th grade understanding of the world says otherwise,
>

You're insulting school kids, I would much rather have a bright 6th grader
as president.


> > The wealth gaps and the exponential growth in the power of
> billionaires, while the average middle class or "petite bourgeoisie" person
> is falling into at best income stagnation or decline, are a recipe for
> future chaos.
>

Yes, that's what made me change my political philosophy, until a few years
ago I was a hardcore libertarian, I still am on social issues but not
economic ones. I've always thought if a theory doesn't fit the facts then
it must be abandoned regardless of how much you love it, and I saw some
fact I just could not ignore.

In 2010 the richest 388 people had as much wealth as poorest half of the
entire human race, that's 3.6 Billion people. In 2014 the richest 85
people did.
In 2015 the richest 62 people did. In 2017 the richest 8 people did. Think
of it, the 8 richest Human beings have as much wealth as the poorest 3.6
BILLION Human beings! History has pretty decisively shown that huge
wealth inequality
just ain't healthy for any society, although history has no examples of
inequality of
the
 magnitude
we have now.


The improvements in AI that are certain to come

in the next few years

will only accelerate the acceleration of this socially destabilizing trend
unless something pushes back, something like government action. Health
insurance for all might be a good place to start. However Donald Trump
wants to push for lowering taxes on the rich, getting rid of the
inheritance tax, and eliminating health care for

the

24 million

poorest people in the country;

 but that's pushing in the wrong direction and will only accelerate the
acceleration of
the acceleration
of the wealth gap.

Anybody who is not terrified by this doesn't understand the situation.

One way or another this trend will NOT continue, if government action
doesn't slow down the widening of the gap something far far more unpleasant
will.
If
 I were one of those 8 hyper rich people I'd be calling for change louder
than anyone because I like the fact that there is a connection between my
head and my shoulders and would prefer to keep it that way.
Let me be clear,
I'm not talking about "should", I'm not talking about morality, I'm just
saying
that
when the gap between the rich and the poor gets
too
large social instability occurs
and that can be very unhealthy for those at the very top.


Americans like to think they live in a meritocracy but they don't, the
truth is if you're born poor in the USA and are talented you're less likely
to get rich than if you were born in other advanced countries, particularly
one of the Scandinavian socialist countries. Take a look at this graph,
it's informally called "The Great Gatsby Curve" by economists and is a plot
of the Gini coefficient for several industrialized countries (a measure of
economic inequality) against economic mobility (the likelihood if you're
born in one economic class you'll die in the same economic class):

The Great Gatsby Curve


As you can see the USA is in the extreme upper right of the plot and that
is exactly where you don't want to be; enormous economic inequality and
little economic mobility, the same conditions that occurred just before the
French Revolution. The only reason there hasn't already been blood in the
streets is probably because the poor are unrealistically optimistic about
getting rich. Here is another interesting graph, it plots several countries
actual economic mobility against the perceived economic mobility with the
diagonal line representing an accurate assessment of possibilities. As you
can see Americans are far too optimistic while most other countries are
somewhat too pessimistic, only the Italians get it about right and see
things as they actually are:

Actual Mobility Versus Perceived Mobility

Re: Trump Supporters?

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 8:13:44 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks  > wrote:
>
> > I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions.
>>
>
> I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business, 
> just a few years ago right wingers thought the CIA and FBI were the good 
> guys and the Kremlin the bad guys but Trump suporters thing the oposite, 
> the republican right wing were free traders but Trump is a self described 
> "tariff man", the right wing was for smaller less intrusive government but 
> Trump wants the government to tell women what they can and can't do with 
> their bodies.
>
> I don't use the word "fascist" lightly, I'm not in the habit, as some on 
> the left are, of calling anyone who's politics I disagree with a fascist, 
> but when it comes to Trump supporters I sincerely think the word is 
> justified; 53% of republicans say they would be OK with Trump canceling the 
> 2020 election. And Fascist dictators cancel elections, lead chants to 
> imprison their political opponents, try to change the law so they can sue 
> newspapers and close them down when they write articles against them, jail 
> reporters who don't cooperate, order TV networks to stop satirizing them, 
> put family members in positions of power, tell police not to be gentle 
> when they arrest somebody, say some Nazis are "very good people" and 
> develop a cult following that will believe anything they say, such as 
> vaccines cause autism or windmills cause cancer.
>
> Today it's foolish to claim there is a moral equivalence between the two 
> major political parties, at one time there was one (and I was a Republican 
> for most of my life) but there is no equivalence anymore. The Democrats 
> have done stuff that is very unwise and unfair but it would be going way 
> too far to call them fascist. A fascist political party is as bad as things 
> can get, the sort of thing you saw in Europe in the 1930s, and things are 
> not currently as bad as things can get but only because the American 
> Fascist Party (aka Republicans) still has some competition from a very 
> large but sometimes silly and often dysfunctional non-fascist party, the 
> democrats.
>
>  John K Clark  
>

The equivalency between the two parties is often drawn with the fact they 
both take corporate campaign donations. Sure, from the perspective of any 
corporation the outcome of an election is uncertain and while their 
leadership may prefer the right winged candidate if they give money to the 
more liberal candidate who wins then they can still demand their influence. 
It might be said a big difference between a Republican and a Democrat 
elected to office is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when 
confronted by their corporate patrons. Also interestingly during times of 
financial distress, such as 2008, corporations will even favor funding 
Democrats because they know the liberals are more willing to pull the 
Keynesian levers to fix the economic mess the banks and corporations 
generated.

However, since I first voted during the Reagan years my observation has 
been the Republicans are becoming more authoritarian; they talk freedom etc 
and then do everything they can to restrict democratic institutions, and 
now we have a president who recently said to the effect, "This is my damned 
country and I can do what ever the hell I want with it." That is the 
attitude of a dictator. The first inkling of this was after the 1994 
election when there was this rise of extremism, militias and pundits such 
as M. Savage telling citizens to use "headshots" against any officer trying 
to confiscate a gun. I am sensing how a great number of people in this 
country are behind this attitude of totalitarianism as well. It may be the 
case that t'Rump will if he wins this election, or if he annuls the results 
because he loses, that we will see ever more curtailments against the press 
that fails to conform, more harassment against those identified as liberal 
and more laws designed to restrict the expression of various opinions or 
maybe even scientific facts. 

George Orwell wrote on how authoritarians do what they can to erase memory. 
In one decade they may be all for unrestricted flow of capital and the next 
decade they are all for tariffs. Of course we all know that tariffs are a 
terrible way to cure trade imbalances, but with t'Rump his 6th grade 
understanding of the world says otherwise, and average people who are about 
as bright think this has defined conservatism all along. Traditionally 
Republicans regarded Russia as a serious menace, and now for some reason 
Russia is great and t'Rump even seems disposed to Russia's program of 
dismantling the EU and fragmenting Europe into weak states. Ahh, they might 
say, "this is the new Russia." Yeah sure, the Communist commissars burned 
their party cards in 1991 and became mafia-style businessmen --- the sort 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:37 AM Philip Thrift  wrote:

*> Name a single progressive law passed when there was a Republican
> president and Republican House and Senate since 1932.*
>

To be honest at this point I don't think the distinction between
progressive and non-progressive is very important. We've had bad presidents
before and if we get one again it won't be the end of the world, but what
I'm really worried about is getting a bad dictator. In 2016 Trump said he
would abide by the election results *only* if he won, it was bad enough
when he was only a candidate but now he's Commander In Chief with tanks at
his command. Even when he won he was a sore winner and said the election
was fake, if he looses in 2020 do you really think he will be a good sport
about it?

 Even if Trump loses in a landslide in the 2020 election I would say there
is a 40% chance he will say the election was fake and try to stay in office
long after January 2021 and claim he will reschedule a new election at some
vague unspecified future date. And if there is an inverse of the 2016
situation and Trump wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral
College I think it's virtually certain he will need to be dragged out of
the Oval Office by armed guards, the trouble is Trump will have armed
guards of his own. I don't know if Trump's attempt to become dictator will
be successful, he's not very bright so that's a good sign, but even if he
fails it will be ugly, such a power grab will lead to blood literally
flowing in the streets.

 John K Clark

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[Philip Thrift]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 8:13:44 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks  > wrote:
>
> > I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions.
>>
>
> I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business, 
> just a few years ago right wingers thought the CIA and FBI were the good 
> guys and the Kremlin the bad guys but Trump suporters thing the oposite, 
> the republican right wing were free traders but Trump is a self described 
> "tariff man", the right wing was for smaller less intrusive government but 
> Trump wants the government to tell women what they can and can't do with 
> their bodies.
>
> I don't use the word "fascist" lightly, I'm not in the habit, as some on 
> the left are, of calling anyone who's politics I disagree with a fascist, 
> but when it comes to Trump supporters I sincerely think the word is 
> justified; 53% of republicans say they would be OK with Trump canceling the 
> 2020 election. And Fascist dictators cancel elections, lead chants to 
> imprison their political opponents, try to change the law so they can sue 
> newspapers and close them down when they write articles against them, jail 
> reporters who don't cooperate, order TV networks to stop satirizing them, 
> put family members in positions of power, tell police not to be gentle 
> when they arrest somebody, say some Nazis are "very good people" and 
> develop a cult following that will believe anything they say, such as 
> vaccines cause autism or windmills cause cancer.
>
> Today it's foolish to claim there is a moral equivalence between the two 
> major political parties, at one time there was one (and I was a Republican 
> for most of my life) but there is no equivalence anymore. The Democrats 
> have done stuff that is very unwise and unfair but it would be going way 
> too far to call them fascist. A fascist political party is as bad as things 
> can get, the sort of thing you saw in Europe in the 1930s, and things are 
> not currently as bad as things can get but only because the American 
> Fascist Party (aka Republicans) still has some competition from a very 
> large but sometimes silly and often dysfunctional non-fascist party, the 
> democrats.
>
>  John K Clark   
>  
>


The Republican Party and Democratic Party became pretty much identified 
with their current alignment in 1932 with the election of FDR.

The Democratic Party has since been* the only origin *of what might be 
called progressive legislation: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Civil 
Rights and Voting Rights Acts, ...

It is true that some Republicans crossed over to help in some cases, and 
the segregationist southern Democrats then changed their party affiliation 
to Republican.

Progressive law like EPA and women's rights in academia sports were passed 
under Nixon, but the Democrats were in charge of Congress.

*So we know that progressive laws have been passed when Democrats were in 
charge of both president and Congress, or just in charge of Congress, but 
...*

*Name a single progressive law passed when there was a Republican president 
and Republican House and Senate since 1932.*


@philipthrift 

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks  wrote:

> I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions.
>

I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business,
just a few years ago right wingers thought the CIA and FBI were the good
guys and the Kremlin the bad guys but Trump suporters thing the oposite,
the republican right wing were free traders but Trump is a self described
"tariff man", the right wing was for smaller less intrusive government but
Trump wants the government to tell women what they can and can't do with
their bodies.

I don't use the word "fascist" lightly, I'm not in the habit, as some on
the left are, of calling anyone who's politics I disagree with a fascist,
but when it comes to Trump supporters I sincerely think the word is
justified; 53% of republicans say they would be OK with Trump canceling the
2020 election. And Fascist dictators cancel elections, lead chants to
imprison their political opponents, try to change the law so they can sue
newspapers and close them down when they write articles against them, jail
reporters who don't cooperate, order TV networks to stop satirizing them,
put family members in positions of power, tell police not to be gentle
when they arrest somebody, say some Nazis are "very good people" and
develop a cult following that will believe anything they say, such as
vaccines cause autism or windmills cause cancer.

Today it's foolish to claim there is a moral equivalence between the two
major political parties, at one time there was one (and I was a Republican
for most of my life) but there is no equivalence anymore. The Democrats
have done stuff that is very unwise and unfair but it would be going way
too far to call them fascist. A fascist political party is as bad as things
can get, the sort of thing you saw in Europe in the 1930s, and things are
not currently as bad as things can get but only because the American
Fascist Party (aka Republicans) still has some competition from a very
large but sometimes silly and often dysfunctional non-fascist party, the
democrats.

 John K Clark

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 04:37, PGC  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:14:29 AM UTC+2, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> About every century there is a tendency for more sociopathic disordered or 
> malignant narcissists, such as t'Rump *-- see below for more, to assume 
> power. Last century this occurred with the rise of communism in Russia and 
> fascism in western Europe. The century before beginning with the end of the 
> 18th century had Jacobins having fun chopping heads in Paris which culminated 
> in Napoleon. There have been about every century a flare up of these, and the 
> 17th century saw all sorts of collective insanity with the 30 Years War, the 
> Huguenot war, the English Civil War and so forth. Based on the general time 
> table, we are coming due for the next grand episode of chaos. And just as the 
> Grateful Dead song Hell in a Bucket puts it the snakes come marching in --- 
> and sure enough here they come. We may be heading into a doozie this time, as 
> we have the nuclear explosive power to unleash several thousand WWII's. It 
> looks to me that the United States as the leader in the world is now the 
> leader in the coming next mass insanity.
> 
> I hear you Lawrence and appreciate your clarity. Conservative to far right 
> discourses completely eclipse the larger historical backdrop: we are a people 
> dependent and hooked to waging war for thousands of years. And we almost 
> cleaned/sobered up in the latter half of the century. We approached civility 
> even if we couldn't get things like income disparities under control. Folks 
> are justifiably angry with progressive junk democrats are peddling because 
> they weren't effective enough, they didn't cater to middle and lower 
> influence strata of society enough, which you probably know. The US as leader 
> of mass insanity, and it's being copied world wide AND these leaders are 
> meeting. Lol on the great meetings of noob selfish money- and power grubbers, 
> that think they are stronger together! Egoists stronger together! They should 
> rob themselves leave us alone and we prosecute. Win win for everybody lol.
>  
> 
> Look it up, but there is an interview by Barbara Walters of Donald t'Rump 
> where the camera makes views of his office walls. These wall are covered with 
> portraits of himself. Donald t'Rump sees himself as the most brilliant of 
> people, when a professor at his Alma mater called him "the dumbest goddammed 
> student he ever knew."  Danald t'Rump is way past the point of the Dunning 
> Kruger effect. He is also clearly narcissistic and has also been investigated 
> by SNY Attorney General for laundering money going back decades. He is a man 
> who serves the criminal world by laundering its money through illicit real 
> estate transactions.
> 
> Those things reek to the high heavens. Mueller put out the proof: evidence of 
> sweeping and systematic manipulation of the election and despite immunity, no 
> evidence that they didn't obstruct. Immunity or not, that's criminal in my 
> book. And while drowned in the perpetual scandal noise they all do the same 
> thing: enrich themselves by hollowing out checks and balances. They don't 
> want to be checked. So my read is to check them and their discourse. 
>  
> 
> For decades now anything liberal has been repeatedly labelled as almost 
> satanic. The messages of this have been thumping people for decades and now 
> we are at a point where if you do have some liberality of mind you now find 
> yourself contemplating leaving the country. Of course the problem is this is 
> infectious and a number of other nations are into this. Also there is the 
> rise of fascist parties, and in the US we are seeing the rise of far 
> extremists such as neo-Nazis. I see lots of people who have drunk the koolaid 
> of this shit, and it is growing in popularity. On the other hand maybe I 
> should just give this a shrug. I really question whether humanity is going to 
> exist past a half century or so. So whiskey tango foxtrot, maybe if we are 
> all going to die why not let the psychopaths and their idiot followers just 
> blow it all up, rather than going out in a whimper?
> 
> I can relate and would offer you to consider engaging them as democratic 
> equals. Idea: If they mess with us, leave or go hard. Let them spam their own 
> thread full of their gospels. The religious right wing seriousness thread of 
> non-smugness for the good boys too smart to vote along their self-interest, 
> who like marching in rows and going to church like the obedient, kind, 
> trustworthy people they are. They should do it. 
> 
> To Spunkboy: Why you right guys pussying about copy pasting raging like 
> noobs? Bring it on Spud and Co! Make a thread with all the evil crimes 
> pretentious progressive elite smug snobs like myself are guilty of, too dumb 
> to see, and let's see what insights you can offer to science, theories of 
> everything, philosophy, belief, aestheticsTopics of this 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[Philip Thrift]

Like *Richard Rorty*, I'm just a (cultured, intellectual) *bourgeoisie 
liberal*.

"While the Left’s back was turned, the bourgeoisification of the white 
proletariat which began in WWII and continued up through the Vietnam War 
has been halted, and the process has gone into reverse. America is now 
proletarianizing its bourgeoisie, and this process is likely to culminate 
in bottom-up revolt, of the sort [*fill in the blank*] hopes to foment." 
(Rorty, 1997)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14543938/donald-trump-richard-rorty-election-liberalism-conservatives

@philipthrift

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 3:18:05 PM UTC-5, howardmarks wrote:
>
> I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions. 
> There are lots of con-artists, blowhards, cultured and/or intellectual 
> people that have neither of those prejudicial labels.  I don't identify 
> as either...
> Cheers! HowardM
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Thrift  
> To: Everything List  
> Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 3:01 pm
> Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?
>
>
>
> When America is presented a choice:
>
> A. con-artist, blowhard fascist
> B. cultured, intellectual liberal
>
> A always has a chance of winning.
>
> @philipthrift
>
>
>

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[PGC]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:14:29 AM UTC+2, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> About every century there is a tendency for more sociopathic disordered or 
> malignant narcissists, such as t'Rump *-- see below for more, to assume 
> power. Last century this occurred with the rise of communism in Russia and 
> fascism in western Europe. The century before beginning with the end of the 
> 18th century had Jacobins having fun chopping heads in Paris which 
> culminated in Napoleon. There have been about every century a flare up of 
> these, and the 17th century saw all sorts of collective insanity with the 
> 30 Years War, the Huguenot war, the English Civil War and so forth. Based 
> on the general time table, we are coming due for the next grand episode of 
> chaos. And just as the Grateful Dead song *Hell in a Bucket* puts it the 
> snakes come marching in --- and sure enough here they come. We may be 
> heading into a doozie this time, as we have the nuclear explosive power to 
> unleash several thousand WWII's. It looks to me that the United States as 
> the leader in the world is now the leader in the coming next mass insanity.
>

I hear you Lawrence and appreciate your clarity. Conservative to far right 
discourses completely eclipse the larger historical backdrop: we are a 
people dependent and hooked to waging war for thousands of years. And we 
almost cleaned/sobered up in the latter half of the century. We approached 
civility even if we couldn't get things like income disparities under 
control. Folks are justifiably angry with progressive junk democrats are 
peddling because they weren't effective enough, they didn't cater to middle 
and lower influence strata of society enough, which you probably know. The 
US as leader of mass insanity, and it's being copied world wide AND these 
leaders are meeting. Lol on the great meetings of noob selfish money- and 
power grubbers, that think they are stronger together! Egoists stronger 
together! They should rob themselves leave us alone and we prosecute. Win 
win for everybody lol.
 

>
> Look it up, but there is an interview by Barbara Walters of Donald t'Rump 
> where the camera makes views of his office walls. These wall are covered 
> with portraits of himself. Donald t'Rump sees himself as the most brilliant 
> of people, when a professor at his Alma mater called him "the dumbest 
> goddammed student he ever knew."  Danald t'Rump is way past the point of 
> the Dunning Kruger effect. He is also clearly narcissistic and has also 
> been investigated by SNY Attorney General for laundering money going back 
> decades. He is a man who serves the criminal world by laundering its money 
> through illicit real estate transactions.
>

Those things reek to the high heavens. Mueller put out the proof: evidence 
of sweeping and systematic manipulation of the election and despite 
immunity, no evidence that they didn't obstruct. Immunity or not, that's 
criminal in my book. And while drowned in the perpetual scandal noise they 
all do the same thing: enrich themselves by hollowing out checks and 
balances. They don't want to be checked. So my read is to check them and 
their discourse. 
 

>
> For decades now anything liberal has been repeatedly labelled as almost 
> satanic. The messages of this have been thumping people for decades and now 
> we are at a point where if you do have some liberality of mind you now find 
> yourself contemplating leaving the country. Of course the problem is this 
> is infectious and a number of other nations are into this. Also there is 
> the rise of fascist parties, and in the US we are seeing the rise of far 
> extremists such as neo-Nazis. I see lots of people who have drunk the 
> koolaid of this shit, and it is growing in popularity. On the other hand 
> maybe I should just give this a shrug. I really question whether humanity 
> is going to exist past a half century or so. So whiskey tango foxtrot, 
> maybe if we are all going to die why not let the psychopaths and their 
> idiot followers just blow it all up, rather than going out in a whimper?
>

I can relate and would offer you to consider engaging them as democratic 
equals. Idea: If they mess with us, leave or go hard. Let them spam their 
own thread full of their gospels. The religious right wing seriousness 
thread of non-smugness for the good boys too smart to vote along their 
self-interest, who like marching in rows and going to church like the 
obedient, kind, trustworthy people they are. They should do it. 

To Spunkboy: Why you right guys pussying about copy pasting raging like 
noobs? Bring it on Spud and Co! Make a thread with all the evil crimes 
pretentious progressive elite smug snobs like myself are guilty of, too 
dumb to see, and let's see what insights you can offer to science, theories 
of everything, philosophy, belief, aesthetics*Topics of this list*. 
Show us the damned truth already!  I expect from you folk hundreds of pages 
of posts of your 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[Lawrence Crowell]

About every century there is a tendency for more sociopathic disordered or 
malignant narcissists, such as t'Rump *-- see below for more, to assume 
power. Last century this occurred with the rise of communism in Russia and 
fascism in western Europe. The century before beginning with the end of the 
18th century had Jacobins having fun chopping heads in Paris which 
culminated in Napoleon. There have been about every century a flare up of 
these, and the 17th century saw all sorts of collective insanity with the 
30 Years War, the Huguenot war, the English Civil War and so forth. Based 
on the general time table, we are coming due for the next grand episode of 
chaos. And just as the Grateful Dead song *Hell in a Bucket* puts it the 
snakes come marching in --- and sure enough here they come. We may be 
heading into a doozie this time, as we have the nuclear explosive power to 
unleash several thousand WWII's. It looks to me that the United States as 
the leader in the world is now the leader in the coming next mass insanity.

Look it up, but there is an interview by Barbara Walters of Donald t'Rump 
where the camera makes views of his office walls. These wall are covered 
with portraits of himself. Donald t'Rump sees himself as the most brilliant 
of people, when a professor at his Alma mater called him "the dumbest 
goddammed student he ever knew."  Danald t'Rump is way past the point of 
the Dunning Kruger effect. He is also clearly narcissistic and has also 
been investigated by SNY Attorney General for laundering money going back 
decades. He is a man who serves the criminal world by laundering its money 
through illicit real estate transactions.

For decades now anything liberal has been repeatedly labelled as almost 
satanic. The messages of this have been thumping people for decades and now 
we are at a point where if you do have some liberality of mind you now find 
yourself contemplating leaving the country. Of course the problem is this 
is infectious and a number of other nations are into this. Also there is 
the rise of fascist parties, and in the US we are seeing the rise of far 
extremists such as neo-Nazis. I see lots of people who have drunk the 
koolaid of this shit, and it is growing in popularity. On the other hand 
maybe I should just give this a shrug. I really question whether humanity 
is going to exist past a half century or so. So whiskey tango foxtrot, 
maybe if we are all going to die why not let the psychopaths and their 
idiot followers just blow it all up, rather than going out in a whimper?

LC 

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 4:12:17 PM UTC-5, PGC wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 6:53:36 PM UTC+2, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Because B lies all the more to try to get elected? 
>>
>>
> I'll bite the conspiracy discourse bait today by phrasing as follows: 
> There are lying corrupt fucks on every side and if you don't identify with 
> simplistic politics and its boring ideological labels, then why post at 
> all? To advertise your innocence to strangers? Post your name, address, and 
> your credit card details with security number please. You'll understand why 
> a few lines down.
>
> Fun and games aside: Who's party/ideology will more likely bring results 
> to working class wages, pensions, medical bills, work accidents, workers 
> rights, and a tomorrow with less toxic shit piling up where you live? Which 
> party history/profile, with all the upper class corrupt bullshit and 
> propaganda of all of them fits the bill, at least to a tiny bare minimum?
>
> Which side is more likely to stupidly and expensively try to educate 
> people, diminish student debts for those trying to set better track for 
> their home zone, instead of snubbing them and pretending they don't exist? 
>
> So surprise, I guess you want to drag me into a flame war: credit card 
> details to me privately NOW or no show. Why? Because your vote has 
> consequences: you voted to fuck education, so you guys gotta pay up front! 
> BooyakahYeah bitches! Plus I copyrighted my cursing to make up for this 
> lesson that you're not paying for! Gazingblingbling: That's a double in yo 
> faces!
>
> These answers are not pretty (except my cursing, which is of course classy 
> and copyrighted as fuck), definitely far from any ideals we have the luxury 
> to discuss out here... but it is what it is, folks. The maverick 
> billionaire with cartoon hair will keep mavericking your net take with his 
> billionaire cronies, probably on your death beds through some dumb liberal 
> black trans doctors with terminator dildos... and guess what? We'll still 
> have to pay more! PGC
>  
>

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:23 PM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A
> 
>
> Humor is the final defense.
>

That is great! Thank you Lawrence.

John K Clark

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[PGC]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 11:47:24 PM UTC+2, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Darwin bless us all!
>
>
Lol, not you. He'd say you're voting against your own survival, work, meds, 
and benefits. He'd call you too stupid to bless. PGC 

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Funny that! I identify as being Both.  Basically, what I hate from the now, 
socialist-communists in my former Party, is the presumption on their own part 
of self-righteousness. It's become a readily, identifiable earmark. (J' Accuse 
Liberale') because I used to be one of you, and grew up with the preponderance 
of self righteousness, focused upon religious Christians. They world has now 
changed, and the creepy-smugness, and sense of superiority, is held by 
progressives, worldwide, nowadays!  It's now the pretentious superior 
progressives that have earned this Traveling Trophy. No, I don't consider Libs 
burning in hell for rejecting Mr. God, or Bibles! Me no care, as long as one 
can help matters, yes, materially speaking. Plainly put, the Jesus folk are 
less insufferable, than the Great Enlightened. More trustworthy too.  
Darwin bless us all!

-Original Message-
From: howardmarks 
To: spudboy100 via Everything List 
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?

 I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions. There 
are lots of con-artists, blowhards, cultured and/or intellectual people that 
have neither of those prejudicial labels.  I don't identify as either...
 Cheers! HowardM
 
 On 6/2/2019 11:53 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
Because B lies all the more to try to get elected? 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Philip Thrift 
 To: Everything List 
 Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 3:01 pm
 Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?
 

  
  When America is presented a choice: 
  A. con-artist, blowhard fascist B. cultured, intellectual liberal 
  A always has a chance of winning. 
  @philipthrift 
 On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: 
 We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this technological 
marvel called the media, which now  includes the internet. Joseph Goebbels, 
propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie repeated often enough 
assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has becomes a crap-fest of 
nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes outright lies. With the 
massive dollars behind this industry liberality based on evidence, facts, and 
logic is simply drowned out in the huge decibel volume against it. Donald 
t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and 
hustler. 
  LC
 
 On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote: 
   [Philip Benjamin]   Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined 
by America haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist,  Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, 
Humanist PAGANS or WAMP-the-Ingrate, who hate the very foundations and founders 
of this Republic. Over 62 million  adults, bona fide American citizens, surely 
KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It  was a 
question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. of Justice 
has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into the politico-deep 
state- media usurpation of the American government at all levels from the 
City/County and State to the Non-sovereign Federation of the Sovereign States 
of this Constitutional Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex Lex 
(http://constitution.org/sr/ lexrex.htm). See Lex Rex of Samuel Rutherford 
(Presbyterian Minister). Also its high recommendation by the “Prince of  
Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). American Constitution is an extension of 
various Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all institutions of 
Freedom in place after the  historical and historic First Great Awakening. No 
other people EVER in the annals of history did or could have ever come up with 
any such  ideas. The Magna Carta (of “We the Nobles”), the Mayflower Compact 
and the Puritan Mission Statement to American Indians come close. Ignorance 
coupled with willful disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the 
WAMP-erial campuses is a sure path to victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive 
PAGANISM  of the types of Nordic pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian 
pagan Mussolini etc., or of the type of Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/ americas-dangerous-historical- ignorance/  
  Compare it wit https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ ignorance-of-history-is-no- 
joke/  Philip Benjamin ~~ From: everyth...@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of John Clark
 Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
 To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity  On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM 
Bruno Marchal  wrote:    
  
 >> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
 "The son of God is omniscient and omnipotent  knowing history in advance and 
being able to control  its course”. 
      > The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement  of that kind are 
parabola and should never been taken literally.   
   That's the exact same

Re: Trump Supporters?

[PGC]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 6:53:36 PM UTC+2, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Because B lies all the more to try to get elected? 
>
>
I'll bite the conspiracy discourse bait today by phrasing as follows: There 
are lying corrupt fucks on every side and if you don't identify with 
simplistic politics and its boring ideological labels, then why post at 
all? To advertise your innocence to strangers? Post your name, address, and 
your credit card details with security number please. You'll understand why 
a few lines down.

Fun and games aside: Who's party/ideology will more likely bring results to 
working class wages, pensions, medical bills, work accidents, workers 
rights, and a tomorrow with less toxic shit piling up where you live? Which 
party history/profile, with all the upper class corrupt bullshit and 
propaganda of all of them fits the bill, at least to a tiny bare minimum?

Which side is more likely to stupidly and expensively try to educate 
people, diminish student debts for those trying to set better track for 
their home zone, instead of snubbing them and pretending they don't exist? 

So surprise, I guess you want to drag me into a flame war: credit card 
details to me privately NOW or no show. Why? Because your vote has 
consequences: you voted to fuck education, so you guys gotta pay up front! 
BooyakahYeah bitches! Plus I copyrighted my cursing to make up for this 
lesson that you're not paying for! Gazingblingbling: That's a double in yo 
faces!

These answers are not pretty (except my cursing, which is of course classy 
and copyrighted as fuck), definitely far from any ideals we have the luxury 
to discuss out here... but it is what it is, folks. The maverick 
billionaire with cartoon hair will keep mavericking your net take with his 
billionaire cronies, probably on your death beds through some dumb liberal 
black trans doctors with terminator dildos... and guess what? We'll still 
have to pay more! PGC
 

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[Lawrence Crowell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A

Humor is the final defense.

LC

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 11:52:31 AM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> ?? as opposed to those wonderful attorneys that the democratic party 
> produces for it's leaders, who never take donations from billionaires, 
> ever, and have the genuine interests of the US middle class at heart? You 
> betcha!  Would you like me to supply the link to Open Secrets, the 
> non-partisan site that goes right to the money trail? Say no more!  
> opensecrets.org
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell >
> To: Everything List >
> Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?
>
> We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this 
> technological marvel called the media, which now includes the internet. 
> Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie 
> repeated often enough assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has 
> becomes a crap-fest of nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes 
> outright lies. With the massive dollars behind this industry liberality 
> based on evidence, facts, and logic is simply drowned out in the huge 
> decibel volume against it. Donald t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels 
> did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and hustler. 
>
> LC
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
>
> [*Philip Benjamin*]  
> Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America 
> haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist 
> PAGANS or *WAMP-the-Ingrate*, who hate the very foundations and founders 
> of this Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, 
> surely KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It 
> was a question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. 
> of Justice has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into 
> the *politico*-*deep state- media* usurpation of the American government 
> at all levels from the City/County and State to the *Non-sovereign 
> Federation of the Sovereign States* of this Constitutional Republic of 
> Lex Rex and not Rex Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/ lexrex.htm 
> <http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm>). See *Lex Rex* of Samuel 
> Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high recommendation by the 
> “Prince of Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). American Constitution is 
> an extension of various Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all 
> institutions of Freedom in place after the historical and historic *First 
> Great Awakening*. No other people EVER in the annals of history did or 
> could have ever come up with any such ideas. *The Magna Carta* (*of “We 
> the Nobles*”), the *Mayflower Compact* and the Puritan *Mission Statement 
> to American Indians* come close. Ignorance coupled with willful 
> disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial campuses is 
> a sure path to victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the 
> types of Nordic pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan 
> Mussolini etc., or of the type of Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
> https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/ 
> americas-dangerous-historical- ignorance/ 
> <https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/> 
>   
> Compare it wit https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ ignorance-of-history-is-no- 
> joke/ <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/> 
> *Philip Benjamin*
> *~~*
> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups. com  *On 
> Behalf Of *John Clark
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups. com
> *Subject:* Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity
>  
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal  wrote:
>  
>
> >> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
> *"The son of **God is **omniscient* *and* *omnipotent**  knowing history 
> in advance and being able to control its course**”.*
>
>  
> *> **The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind 
> are parabola and should never been taken literally.*
>
>  
> That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to 
> explain away his many many lies.
>  
>
> > *Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never met 
> a christian who believe in the anything as naive. *
>
>  
> You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who 
> didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
> have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
> C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i- 
> t-y, alt

Re: Trump Supporters?

[howardmarks]

I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions. 
There are lots of con-artists, blowhards, cultured and/or intellectual 
people that have neither of those prejudicial labels.  I don't 
identify as either...

Cheers! HowardM

On 6/2/2019 11:53 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Because B lies all the more to try to get elected?


-Original Message-
From: Philip Thrift 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?



When America is presented a choice:

A. con-artist, blowhard fascist
B. cultured, intellectual liberal

A always has a chance of winning.

@philipthrift

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this
technological marvel called the media, which now includes the
internet. Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for the third
Reich, said that a lie repeated often enough assumes a life as a
"sort of truth." The media has becomes a crap-fest of nonsense
that pumps out half-truths and sometimes outright lies. With the
massive dollars behind this industry liberality based on evidence,
facts, and logic is simply drowned out in the huge decibel volume
against it. Donald t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels did, and
t'Rump is a pure grifter and hustler.

LC

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:

[*Philip Benjamin*]
Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by
America haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist,
Progressive, Liberal, Humanist PAGANS or */WAMP-the-Ingrate/*,
who hate the very foundations and founders of this Republic.
Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, surely
KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!!
It was a question of now or never. The truth will be out if
the present Dept. of Justice has the guts to go ahead with an
impartial investigation into the /politico/-/deep state-
media/ usurpation of the American government at all levels
from the City/County and State to the */Non-sovereign
Federation of the Sovereign States/*of this Constitutional
Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex Lex
(http://constitution.org/sr/ lexrex.htm
<http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm>).See /Lex Rex/ of
Samuel Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high
recommendation by the “Prince of Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist
Minister). American Constitution is an extension of various
Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all
institutions of Freedom in place after the historical and
historic *First Great Awakening*. No other people EVER in the
annals of history did or could have ever come up with any such
ideas. *The Magna Carta* (/of “We the Nobles/”), the
*Mayflower Compact* and the Puritan */Mission Statement to
American Indians/* come close. Ignorance coupled with willful
disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial
campuses is a sure path to victory for
Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of Nordic
pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini
etc., or of the type of Celtic pagan French anarchists.
https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/ americas-dangerous-historical-
ignorance/
<https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/>

Compare it wit https://www.cbsnews.com/news/
ignorance-of-history-is-no- joke/
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/>
*Philip Benjamin*
*~~*
*From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
 *On Behalf Of *John Clark
*Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
*To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity
On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal
 wrote:

>> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
/"The son of //God is
//omniscientandomnipotent//knowing history in
advance and being able to control its course//”./

/> //The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement
of that kind are parabola and should never been taken
literally./

That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to
try to explain away his many many lies.

> /Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have
still never met a christian who believe in the anything as
naive. /

You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a
Christian who didn't believe something exactly 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Because B lies all the more to try to get elected? 


-Original Message-
From: Philip Thrift 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?



When America is presented a choice:
A. con-artist, blowhard fascistB. cultured, intellectual liberal
A always has a chance of winning.
@philipthrift
On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this technological 
marvel called the media, which now includes the internet. Joseph Goebbels, 
propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie repeated often enough 
assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has becomes a crap-fest of 
nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes outright lies. With the 
massive dollars behind this industry liberality based on evidence, facts, and 
logic is simply drowned out in the huge decibel volume against it. Donald 
t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and 
hustler.
LC

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
[Philip Benjamin] Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by 
America haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, 
Humanist PAGANS orWAMP-the-Ingrate, who hate the very foundations and founders 
of this Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, surely 
KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It was a 
question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. of Justice 
has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into thepolitico-deep 
state- media usurpation of the American government at all levels from the 
City/County and State to theNon-sovereign Federation of the Sovereign Statesof 
this Constitutional Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex Lex 
(http://constitution.org/sr/ lexrex.htm). SeeLex Rex of Samuel Rutherford 
(Presbyterian Minister). Also its high recommendation by the “Prince of 
Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). American Constitution is an extension of 
various Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all institutions of 
Freedom in place after the historical and historic First Great Awakening. No 
other people EVER in the annals of history did or could have ever come up with 
any such ideas.The Magna Carta (of “We the Nobles”), the Mayflower Compact and 
the PuritanMission Statement to American Indians come close. Ignorance coupled 
with willful disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial 
campuses is a sure path to victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM 
of the types of Nordic pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan 
Mussolini etc., or of the type of Celtic pagan French 
anarchists.https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/ americas-dangerous-historical- 
ignorance/   Compare it withttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/ 
ignorance-of-history-is-no- joke/Philip Benjamin~~From: 
everyth...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno 
Marchal  wrote: 

>>From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
"The son ofGod is omniscient and omnipotent  knowing history in advance and 
being able to control its course”.
 >The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind are 
parabola and should never been taken literally.
 That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to explain 
away his many many lies. 
>Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never met a 
>christian who believe in the anything as naive.
 You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who 
didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i- t-y, although I have not personally met them. 
>You might read the book by Jean Trouillard or Paul Valadier. You might change 
>your mind on this, but perhaps you don’t want to change your mind.
 I don't want to read their books because I see little point in reading a book 
written by someone who knows even less about how the world really works than I 
do. Life is too short to read every book ever written so one must use judgement 
and be selective.  John K Clark-

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

?? as opposed to those wonderful attorneys that the democratic party produces 
for it's leaders, who never take donations from billionaires, ever, and have 
the genuine interests of the US middle class at heart? You betcha!  Would you 
like me to supply the link to Open Secrets, the non-partisan site that goes 
right to the money trail? Say no more!  opensecrets.org    


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Trump Supporters?

We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this technological 
marvel called the media, which now includes the internet. Joseph Goebbels, 
propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie repeated often enough 
assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has becomes a crap-fest of 
nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes outright lies. With the 
massive dollars behind this industry liberality based on evidence, facts, and 
logic is simply drowned out in the huge decibel volume against it. Donald 
t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and 
hustler.
LC

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
[Philip Benjamin] Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by 
America haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, 
Humanist PAGANS orWAMP-the-Ingrate, who hate the very foundations and founders 
of this Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, surely 
KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It was a 
question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. of Justice 
has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into thepolitico-deep 
state- media usurpation of the American government at all levels from the 
City/County and State to theNon-sovereign Federation of the Sovereign Statesof 
this Constitutional Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex Lex 
(http://constitution.org/sr/ lexrex.htm). SeeLex Rex of Samuel Rutherford 
(Presbyterian Minister). Also its high recommendation by the “Prince of 
Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). American Constitution is an extension of 
various Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all institutions of 
Freedom in place after the historical and historic First Great Awakening. No 
other people EVER in the annals of history did or could have ever come up with 
any such ideas.The Magna Carta (of “We the Nobles”), the Mayflower Compact and 
the PuritanMission Statement to American Indians come close. Ignorance coupled 
with willful disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial 
campuses is a sure path to victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM 
of the types of Nordic pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan 
Mussolini etc., or of the type of Celtic pagan French 
anarchists.https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/ americas-dangerous-historical- 
ignorance/   Compare it withttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/ 
ignorance-of-history-is-no- joke/Philip Benjamin~~From: 
everyth...@googlegroups. com On Behalf Of John 
Clark
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
To: everyth...@googlegroups. com
Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno 
Marchal  wrote: 

>>From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
"The son ofGod is omniscient and omnipotent  knowing history in advance and 
being able to control its course”.
 >The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind are 
parabola and should never been taken literally.
 That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to explain 
away his many many lies. 
>Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never met a 
>christian who believe in the anything as naive.
 You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who 
didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i- t-y, although I have not personally met them. 
>You might read the book by Jean Trouillard or Paul Valadier. You might change 
>your mind on this, but perhaps you don’t want to change your mind.
 I don't want to read their books because I see little point in reading a book 
written by someone who knows even less about how the world really works than I 
do. Life is too short to read every book ever written so one must use judgement 
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[Philip Thrift]

When America is presented a choice:

A. con-artist, blowhard fascist
B. cultured, intellectual liberal

A always has a chance of winning.

@philipthrift

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this 
> technological marvel called the media, which now includes the internet. 
> Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie 
> repeated often enough assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has 
> becomes a crap-fest of nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes 
> outright lies. With the massive dollars behind this industry liberality 
> based on evidence, facts, and logic is simply drowned out in the huge 
> decibel volume against it. Donald t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels 
> did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and hustler.
>
> LC
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
>>
>> [*Philip Benjamin*]  
>>
>> Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America 
>> haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist 
>> PAGANS or *WAMP-the-Ingrate*, who hate the very foundations and founders 
>> of this Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, 
>> surely KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It 
>> was a question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. 
>> of Justice has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into 
>> the *politico*-*deep state- media* usurpation of the American government 
>> at all levels from the City/County and State to the *Non-sovereign 
>> Federation of the Sovereign States* of this Constitutional Republic of 
>> Lex Rex and not Rex Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm). See *Lex 
>> Rex* of Samuel Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high 
>> recommendation by the “Prince of Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). 
>> American Constitution is an extension of various Church Constitutions. The 
>> Colonies already had all institutions of Freedom in place after the 
>> historical and historic *First Great Awakening*. No other people EVER in 
>> the annals of history did or could have ever come up with any such ideas. 
>> *The 
>> Magna Carta* (*of “We the Nobles*”), the *Mayflower Compact* and the 
>> Puritan *Mission Statement to American Indians* come close. Ignorance 
>> coupled with willful disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the 
>> WAMP-erial campuses is a sure path to victory for 
>> Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of Nordic pagan Hitler, 
>> Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini etc., or of the type of 
>> Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
>> https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/ 
>>   
>>
>> Compare it wit 
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/ 
>>
>> *Philip Benjamin*
>>
>> *~~*
>>
>> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *John Clark
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
>> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> >> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
>> *"The son of **God is **omniscient* *and* *omnipotent** knowing history 
>> in advance and being able to control its course**”.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *> **The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind 
>> are parabola and should never been taken literally.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to 
>> explain away his many many lies.
>>
>>  
>>
>> > *Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never 
>> met a christian who believe in the anything as naive. *
>>
>>  
>>
>> You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who 
>> didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
>> have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
>> C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i-t-y, although 
>> I have not personally met them.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *> **You might read the book by Jean Trouillard or Paul Valadier. You 
>> might change your mind on this, but perhaps you don’t want to change your 
>> mind.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don't want to read their books because I see little point in reading a 
>> book written by someone who knows even less about how the world really 
>> works than I do. Life is too short to read every book ever written so one 
>> must use judgement and be selective.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  John K Clark
>>
>> -
>>
>

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[Lawrence Crowell]

We are weavers in the web that we wove. We are victims of this 
technological marvel called the media, which now includes the internet. 
Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for the third Reich, said that a lie 
repeated often enough assumes a life as a "sort of truth." The media has 
becomes a crap-fest of nonsense that pumps out half-truths and sometimes 
outright lies. With the massive dollars behind this industry liberality 
based on evidence, facts, and logic is simply drowned out in the huge 
decibel volume against it. Donald t'Rump knows this as much as Goebbels 
did, and t'Rump is a pure grifter and hustler.

LC

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
>
> [*Philip Benjamin*]  
>
> Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America 
> haters—i.e. the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist 
> PAGANS or *WAMP-the-Ingrate*, who hate the very foundations and founders 
> of this Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, 
> surely KNEW that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It 
> was a question of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. 
> of Justice has the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into 
> the *politico*-*deep state- media* usurpation of the American government 
> at all levels from the City/County and State to the *Non-sovereign 
> Federation of the Sovereign States* of this Constitutional Republic of 
> Lex Rex and not Rex Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm). See *Lex 
> Rex* of Samuel Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high 
> recommendation by the “Prince of Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). 
> American Constitution is an extension of various Church Constitutions. The 
> Colonies already had all institutions of Freedom in place after the 
> historical and historic *First Great Awakening*. No other people EVER in 
> the annals of history did or could have ever come up with any such ideas. 
> *The 
> Magna Carta* (*of “We the Nobles*”), the *Mayflower Compact* and the 
> Puritan *Mission Statement to American Indians* come close. Ignorance 
> coupled with willful disrespect for one’s heritage as facilitated on the 
> WAMP-erial campuses is a sure path to victory for 
> Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of Nordic pagan Hitler, 
> Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini etc., or of the type of 
> Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
> https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/ 
>   
>
> Compare it wit 
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/ 
>
> *Philip Benjamin*
>
> *~~*
>
> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com  <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com > *On Behalf Of *John Clark
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal  > wrote:
>
>  
>
> >> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
> *"The son of **God is **omniscient* *and* *omnipotent** knowing history 
> in advance and being able to control its course**”.*
>
>  
>
> *> **The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind 
> are parabola and should never been taken literally.*
>
>  
>
> That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to 
> explain away his many many lies.
>
>  
>
> > *Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never met 
> a christian who believe in the anything as naive. *
>
>  
>
> You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who 
> didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
> have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
> C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i-t-y, although 
> I have not personally met them.
>
>  
>
> *> **You might read the book by Jean Trouillard or Paul Valadier. You 
> might change your mind on this, but perhaps you don’t want to change your 
> mind.*
>
>  
>
> I don't want to read their books because I see little point in reading a 
> book written by someone who knows even less about how the world really 
> works than I do. Life is too short to read every book ever written so one 
> must use judgement and be selective.
>
>  
>
>  John K Clark
>
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Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

I don't understand why Philip Benjamin dislikes the term "Trump suporter"
so much, I don't see why it's fundamentally different from other types of
suporters, like Republican suporters or athletic suporters.

 John K Clark

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Re: Trump Supporters?

[Telmo Menezes]

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, at 16:59, Philip Benjamin wrote:
> [*Philip Benjamin*] 

> Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America haters—i.e. 
> the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist PAGANS

> 

I went to Wikipedia to look for a definition of "liberal":

*"Liberalism* is a political 
 and moral philosophy 
 based on liberty 
, consent of the governed 
, and equality before 
the law .[1] 
[2] 
[3] 
 Liberals espouse a wide 
array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they 
generally support limited government 
, individual rights 
 
(including civil rights  and human 
rights ), capitalism 
 (free markets 
), democracy 
, secularism 
, gender equality 
, racial equality 
, internationalism 
, freedom of speech 
, freedom of the press 
 and freedom of religion 
."

According to this definition, I am a liberal. If you agree with this 
definition, what is the part of liberalism you oppose? If you disagree with the 
definition, then what am I?

Telmo.

> 
>  or **WAMP-the-Ingrate**, who hate the very foundations and founders of this 
> Republic. Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, surely KNEW 
> that this was the last chance for America to be America!! It was a question 
> of now or never. The truth will be out if the present Dept. of Justice has 
> the guts to go ahead with an impartial investigation into the 
> *politico*-*deep state- media* usurpation of the American government at all 
> levels from the City/County and State to the **Non-sovereign Federation of 
> the Sovereign States** of this Constitutional Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex 
> Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm). See *Lex Rex* of Samuel 
> Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high recommendation by the 
> “Prince of Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). American Constitution is an 
> extension of various Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all 
> institutions of Freedom in place after the historical and historic *First 
> Great Awakening*. No other people EVER in the annals of history did or could 
> have ever come up with any such ideas. *The Magna Carta* (*of “We the 
> Nobles*”), the *Mayflower Compact* and the Puritan **Mission Statement to 
> American Indians** come close. Ignorance coupled with willful disrespect for 
> one’s heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial campuses is a sure path to 
> victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of Nordic 
> pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini etc., or of the 
> type of Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
> https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/ 
> Compare it wit https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/

> *Philip Benjamin*

> *~~*


> *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com  
> *On Behalf Of *John Clark
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

> 

> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal  wrote:

> 


>>> >> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
>>> *"The son of **God is **omniscient** **and** **omnipotent** knowing history 
>>> in advance and being able to control its course**”.*

>> 

>> *> **The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind are 
>> parabola and should never been taken literally.*

> 

> That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to explain 
> away his many many lies.

> 

>> > *Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never met a 
>> > christian who believe in the anything as naive.*

> 

> You sure have not met many Christians! I have never met a Christian who 
> didn't believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that 
> have abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
> 

Re: Trump Supporters?

[John Clark]

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 10:59 AM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

> *Trump supporters*?
>

Yes, aka morons. That's why the 5 states with the least educated population
all went for Trump and the 10 states with the highest education all went
for Clinton.


> *>Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, surely KNEW that
> this was the last chance for America to be America!!*


And nearly 66 million adults, bona fide American citizens voted for Hillary
Clinton because they surely KNEW that Trump was a facets; but under our
system the American people don't get to decide who will be president, only
the 538 members of the Electoral College get to decide that. And a
Wyoming voter
(who was probably a Trump supporter) has 66.7 times as much influence over
who go to the Electoral Collage as a California voter (who was probably a
Clinton supporter)


> > *T*hat is a phrase inappositely coined by America haters—i.e. the
> Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist PAGANS or
> WAMP-the-Ingrate, who hate the very foundations and founders of this
> Republic. *[...] It was a question of now or never. The truth will be out
> if the present Dept. of Justice has the guts to go ahead with an impartial
> investigation into the politico-deep state- media usurpation of the
> American government at all levels from the City/County and State to the
> Non-sovereign Federation of the Sovereign States of this Constitutional
> Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm
> ). See Lex Rex of Samuel Rutherford
> (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high recommendation by the “Prince of
> Preacher” Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). American Constitution is an
> extension of various Church Constitutions. The Colonies already had all
> institutions of Freedom in place after the historical and historic First
> Great Awakening. No other people EVER in the annals of history did or could
> have ever come up with any such ideas. The Magna Carta (of “We the
> Nobles”), the Mayflower Compact and the Puritan Mission Statement to
> American Indians come close. Ignorance coupled with willful disrespect for
> one’s heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial **campuses is a sure path
> to victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of
> Nordic pagan Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini etc.,
> or of the type of Celtic pagan French anarchists*


No no I'm not laughing at you, I don't think you sound crazy at all. Not at
all. Just put down the gun and let's talk about this calmly.

 John K Clark

>
>

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RE: Trump Supporters?

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]
Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America haters-i.e. 
the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist PAGANS or 
WAMP-the-Ingrate, who hate the very foundations and founders of this Republic. 
Over 62 million adults, bona fide American citizens, surely KNEW that this was 
the last chance for America to be America!! It was a question of now or never. 
The truth will be out if the present Dept. of Justice has the guts to go ahead 
with an impartial investigation into the politico-deep state- media usurpation 
of the American government at all levels from the City/County and State to the 
Non-sovereign Federation of the Sovereign States of this Constitutional 
Republic of Lex Rex and not Rex Lex (http://constitution.org/sr/lexrex.htm). 
See Lex Rex of Samuel Rutherford (Presbyterian Minister). Also its high 
recommendation by the "Prince of Preacher" Spurgeon (Baptist Minister). 
American Constitution is an extension of various Church Constitutions. The 
Colonies already had all institutions of Freedom in place after the historical 
and historic First Great Awakening. No other people EVER in the annals of 
history did or could have ever come up with any such ideas. The Magna Carta (of 
"We the Nobles"), the Mayflower Compact and the Puritan Mission Statement to 
American Indians come close. Ignorance coupled with willful disrespect for 
one's heritage as facilitated on the WAMP-erial campuses is a sure path to 
victory for Socialist-Marxist-Progressive PAGANISM of the types of Nordic pagan 
Hitler, Slavic pagan Stalin, Caucasian pagan Mussolini etc., or of the type of 
Celtic pagan French anarchists. 
https://www.wnd.com/2019/02/americas-dangerous-historical-ignorance/
Compare it wit https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ignorance-of-history-is-no-joke/
Philip Benjamin
~~
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:11 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal 
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:

>> From the Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 7 page 792:
"The son of God is omniscient and omnipotent knowing history in advance and 
being able to control its course".

> The Pope Jean-Paul 2 made explicit that all statement of that kind are 
> parabola and should never been taken literally.

That's the exact same excuse Trump suporters use when they to try to explain 
away his many many lies.

> Of course, that is debated by some catholic, bu I have still never met a 
> christian who believe in the anything as naive.

You sure have not met many Christians!  I have never met a Christian who didn't 
believe something exactly that naive. I concede there are a few that have 
abandoned the idea of Christianity but not the ASCII sequence 
C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i-t-y, although I have not personally met them.

> You might read the book by Jean Trouillard or Paul Valadier. You might change 
> your mind on this, but perhaps you don't want to change your mind.

I don't want to read their books because I see little point in reading a book 
written by someone who knows even less about how the world really works than I 
do. Life is too short to read every book ever written so one must use judgement 
and be selective.

 John K Clark
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