Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-17 Thread John Mikes
On Apr 15, 11:21 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: > I agree with the above and pushing the idea further has led me to the > conclusion that intelligence is only relative to an environment. If you > consider Hume's argument that induction cannot be justified - yet it is > the basis of all our beliefs - you

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Apr 2010, at 19:07, Brent Meeker wrote: I think intelligence in the context of a particular world requires acting within that world. Humans learn language starting with ostensive definition: (pointing) "There that's a chair. Sit in it. That's what it's for. Move it where you wa

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/16/2010 3:16 AM, Skeletori wrote: Hi, I'm trying to move this to the intelligence thread. On Apr 15, 11:21 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: I agree with the above and pushing the idea further has led me to the conclusion that intelligence is only relative to an environment. If you consider Hum

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-16 Thread Skeletori
Hi, I'm trying to move this to the intelligence thread. On Apr 15, 11:21 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: > I agree with the above and pushing the idea further has led me to the > conclusion that intelligence is only relative to an environment. If you > consider Hume's argument that induction cannot be ju

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/15/2010 1:06 PM, Skeletori wrote: On Apr 9, 7:39 pm, Jason Resch wrote: You would need to design a very general fitness test for measuring intelligence, for example the shortness and speed at which it can find proofs for randomly generated statements in math, for example. Or the accur

Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-15 Thread Skeletori
On Apr 9, 7:39 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > You would need to design a very general fitness test for measuring > intelligence, for example the shortness and speed at which it can find > proofs for randomly generated statements in math, for example. Or the > accuracy and efficiency at which it can pre

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/14/2010 12:59 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, mea culpa. - My slip is showing. I could not eliminate entirely the brainwashing I got in college for the figment of 'natural sciences' - no matter how long ago that was. So: please never mind if I go with Dr. Johnson's toe "that REALLY hurt" and

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-14 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, mea culpa. - My slip is showing. I could not eliminate entirely the brainwashing I got in college for the figment of 'natural sciences' - no matter how long ago that was. So: please never mind if I go with Dr. Johnson's toe "that REALLY hurt" and cannot get over my experience of having been

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Apr 2010, at 20:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/12/2010 6:26 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM, silky wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: [...] > In an uploaded state you could spend all day eating from an unlimited buffet > of any f

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-12 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/12/2010 6:26 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM, silky > wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: [...] > In an uploaded state you could spend all day eating from an unli

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, On 12 Apr 2010, at 16:31, John Mikes wrote: To Jason's fantasy-contest (just imagine and put it as 'reality?) upon his John, Jason did not imagine and then put as real. Instead, he was *assuming* and then *deriving* consequences. You talk like if we could ever know for sure anythi

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-12 Thread John Mikes
To Jason's fantasy-contest (just imagine and put it as 'reality?) upon his *> In an uploaded state you could spend all day eating from an unlimited buffet > of any food you could think of (and more) and get neither full nor fat. * ** I have a memory of the same, when I had nothing to eat, was mise

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-12 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM, silky wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > [...] > > > In an uploaded state you could spend all day eating from an unlimited > buffet > > of any food you could think of (and more) and get neither full nor fat. > In > > the end it is ju

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-11 Thread silky
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: [...] > In an uploaded state you could spend all day eating from an unlimited buffet > of any food you could think of (and more) and get neither full nor fat.  In > the end it is just firings of your neurons (artificial or otherwise) and if > u

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:40 AM, John Mikes wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Skeletori wrote: > > My hope and wish is that by this time, wealth and the economy as we know > it > > will be obsolete. In a virtual world, where anyone can do or experience > > anything, and everyone is immor

Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-11 Thread John Mikes
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Skeletori wrote: > My hope and wish is that by this time, wealth and the economy as we know it > will be obsolete. In a virtual world, where anyone can do or experience > anything, and everyone is immortal and perfectly healthy, the only commodity > would be the cr