[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread maskedzebra
Dear Mark, Put it this way: whatever you took in to yourself that was Maharishi was such as to be the means for 'God' or reality to transfer this knowledge directly to me. This transference, and what was transferred goes beyond, I think, whatever you could consciously know about what you had

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: My puzzlement about the unique claims of Robin Carlson continues. Here's a new thought. Premise: waking state consciousness is derivative of unity consciousness, which is to say that unity is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread at_man_and_brahman
I appreciate this thought, and agree this his actions and intentions while in unity appear askew. However, given that, in the TM Universe, Maharishi himself defined unity consciousness and to my understanding initially agreed that Robin was in it, to conclude independently of Maharishi that

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread at_man_and_brahman
I don't think he fell from unity. Though he refuses to describe his methodology, he has made it clear that he intentionally forced his consciousness into waking state. I hypothesize that a person in true, card-carrying unity--THE WHOLE THING, THE REAL THING--can intentionally shift his frame

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of it. I believe the latter would be the right one based upon RC's postings here, and I don't buy that you can come out of Unity. RC's postings here and his

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
Thanks Rory - I wonder why you waited this long to state this, is it because of your affection, respect for him? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: (If you are looking only for a response from MZ, please disregard this post, but it is a subject I do care about and

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
Your premise IME seems highly improbable. A poor comparison but It's like you found a key and opened the door to a hidden room with treasures, sure you can close it and come back to where you where but the knowledge of the room and the ability to enter this room and use the treasures remain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Visit with Amma

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
I don't consider Amma as an avatar or divine mother, IMO most who do are just engaging in an intellectual concept. Not that there's anything wrong with it, since the very faith, trust transforms. However IME she is definitely a Satguru and a very very rare and a special person, not considering her

[FairfieldLife] Dome Exclusion was Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
BTW - I have never practiced IAM, this was just started a few years back, I'm sure to target an audience obsessed with meditation techniques, not that there's anything wrong with it. IMO, All meditation techniques are just tools to transcend. I wouldn't worry too much about the legal stuff, part

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread RoryGoff
* * Thank you for your most thoughtful response, AAB. I am not actually saying that Robin was in a temporary, false Unity -- I am saying that to be in Unity Consciousness is itself by definition temporary and false, as to be in any state of consciousness is temporary, time-bound, and hence

[FairfieldLife] Nokia's swan song model?

2011-07-25 Thread cardemaister
http://technodom.kz/actions/discount/69669/ This Meego crap should compete with iPhone and e.g. Samsung Galaxy? No way! :/ Introducing a unique smartphone with a display of the entire body. Scratch-resistant glass screen forms a harmonious whole, with a sleek solid body phone. In each part

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
Beautiful post, thanks Rory. BTW, IMO it's laughable when someone says they were in UC for 15 odd years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Thank you for your most thoughtful response, AAB. I am not actually saying that Robin was in a temporary, false Unity --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation here has peaked. I'll need to start investing more of my time on survival... Mark, I can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation here has peaked.

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread at_man_and_brahman
Well...it happened to everyone/the universe once, didn't it? If unity is the primordial state, somehow Average Joe got out of it through the course of innumerable incarnations and landed in the mud of waking. If that is possible, then why couldn't a person force this to happen in one lifetime?

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Beautiful post, thanks Rory. BTW, IMO it's laughable when someone says they were in UC for 15 odd years. * * IMO our intellect is always laughable when we see through it :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks Rory - I wonder why you waited this long to state this, is it because of your affection, respect for him? * * I do love and respect Robin, and I

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread at_man_and_brahman
...in which case, there's no reason to discuss anything...with anyone...at any time Even Reality itself is just another unreal belief. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Thank you for your most thoughtful response, AAB. I am not actually saying that

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Thanks for that Rory, you have mentioned Jay before and I would totally agree. Do you really think that the state of consciousness are illusory, at least at the relative level? * * My pleasure, Ravi! From the viewpoint of

[FairfieldLife] Only for a short while?

2011-07-25 Thread cardemaister
Hitopadesha: The shadow of a cloud, a villain's kindness, freshly harvested crops and women can be enjoyed only for a short while - just like youth and wealth. abhracaayaa, khalapriitir, navasasyaani, yoSitaH, kiMcitkaalopabhogyaani -- yauvanaani dhanaani ca. abhra-caayaa (cloud-shadow),

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
Sure anything's possible but like you said - What a shame that would be. For me you dug up a perennial source of water to quench your thirst, I guess you can go back and cover it again - that possibility remains. However I haven't seen anything anyone share it before, I have read instances of

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Ravi Yogi
Thanks Rory, sounds good !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Thanks for that Rory, you have mentioned Jay before and I would totally agree. Do you really think that the state of

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: ...in which case, there's no reason to discuss anything...with anyone...at any time * * Oh, I wouldn't say that. We're having fun, aren't we? And when ripe enough, the intellect can be drawn via

[FairfieldLife] Re: Visit with Amma

2011-07-25 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fflmod fflmod@... wrote: Amma is an avatar, an incarnation of the divine. Not a karmic human at all. That is why the name of Amma is prevalent throughout the bhajans and elsewhere. There is no difference between praying to God and praying to an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread whynotnow7
True, though such deals exist, especially with amounts above 100K. Gold is another possibility, since I see that going up steadily for awhile - Where is that million when you need it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fflmod fflmod@... wrote: Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to get

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated here that hold no

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: ...in which case, there's no reason to discuss anything...with anyone...at any time Even Reality itself is just another unreal belief. I knew you'd get it if you spent enough time with the koan.

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread whynotnow7
All this thinking here almost gives me a headache. Just BE, and if you cannot, that reveals everything. MZ tells wonderful stories, though none of it appears genuine to me. There is some figment of 'I' that feels a need to rationalize and justify its existence, go off on tangents, surround

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread whynotnow7
Depends how deficient the coordination and integration is between heart and intellect. If sufficiently dysfunctional, one could spend an entire lifetime in UC and never progress past it. Prior to waking up, getting lost in fantasy is the only option. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Thanks Rory - I wonder why you waited this long to state this, is it because of your affection, respect for him? * * I do love and respect Robin, and I wholeheartedly support his realization that his Unity was not actually

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of it. I believe the latter would be the right one based upon RC's postings here,

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread whynotnow7
I also doubt Maharishi ever comfirmed his unity It could've gone like this: MZ: Greetings Maharishi. Maharishi: What's up, Robin? MZ: I have an experience to relate...blah, blah, blah, 100 pages and two hours later...so therefore, I think I am in Unity Consciousness. Whaddya think Maharishi?

[FairfieldLife] Swing in music?

2011-07-25 Thread cardemaister
I've often heard that swing is rather hard to define. How would youse define it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Landau
On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:51 PM, authfriend wrote: Sorry, but I can document everything I've said about Vaj; he can't document or even cite a single example of a lie from me, nor can anyone else here. I simply don't lie; I have no need to. Anyone who knows the players here can see the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swing in music?

2011-07-25 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: I've often heard that swing is rather hard to define. How would youse define it? I would define it as something I'd rather not listen to.

[FairfieldLife] One in five American men don't work: Where's the outrage?

2011-07-25 Thread Tom Pall
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/25/unemployment-job-skills-training/?iid=HP_LN

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her offer to document everything. The readers don't care because 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession with these enemies never mattered to them in the first place, and 3) because

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:40 AM, emptybill wrote: Vag - you are a fool who cannot provide your sources because you have none. You just read this stuff and make believe. This is why you bullshit everyone here. My source was Paul Mason you idiot. We've talked about it in considerable detail.

RE: [FairfieldLife] alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of at_man_and_brahman Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 11:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] alternative theory regarding MZ My puzzlement about the unique claims of Robin Carlson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread whynotnow7
The only folks on FFL who ever talk about her are you two. Sounds like you care, A LOT, about what she says. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her offer to

Re: [FairfieldLife] alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:31 AM, at_man_and_brahman wrote: My puzzlement about the unique claims of Robin Carlson continues. Here's a new thought. Premise: waking state consciousness is derivative of unity consciousness, which is to say that unity is a natural state from which man has

Re: [FairfieldLife] alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: “Do not mistake understanding for realization. Do not mistake realization for Liberation.” – Tibetan Proverb In interviewing many people and listening to many more whom I might interview, I observe that both mistakes are closer to the

Re: [FairfieldLife] alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Tom Pall
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: I would propose that MZ experienced Maharishi Unity Consciousness, a state different from videha-mukti or brahma-chetana, traditional UC. Maharishi Unity Consciousness (MUC) more resembles *hypomania*, and is often

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread obbajeeba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her offer to document everything. The readers don't care because 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:51 PM, authfriend wrote: snip Mark, it's a pity we have a few deeply malicious people on this forum. Most of us have been enjoying your reminiscences and reflections. I hope you don't let the conflicts

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, you go

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I also doubt Maharishi ever comfirmed his unity It could've gone like this: MZ: Greetings Maharishi. Maharishi: What's up, Robin? MZ: I have an experience to relate...blah, blah, blah, 100 pages and two hours

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Landau
Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:08 PM, fflmod wrote: You should read up on social security, Mark. Last I looked, retiring early would net more money in the long run if the retiree lived long enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark

Re: [FairfieldLife] alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: I would propose that MZ experienced Maharishi Unity Consciousness, a state different from videha-mukti or brahma- chetana, traditional UC. Maharishi Unity Consciousness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:54 AM, obbajeeba wrote: Reads like a Danielle Steel novel or lawsuit. lol. You men love Judy and you know it. I do not personally know any of you dudes, but from what I read, a love affair of the heart is all over these threads. : ) I would agree that Judy does

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Mark Landau wrote: Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? Outsource your retirement to India or Indonesia?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Summa Wrestling

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Landau
Sarasvati came to me, several times, in all her glory. I wondered why her in particular and decided it was because of GD, his name and thus the lineage's connection to her. Later, of course, I found out that I had been repeating her name a million times. On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:36 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread emptybill
These are the sources the poet-pandit used - and that which was demanded be discarded by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed it for fun and $ and to fool westerners enamored with the east So you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Judy never busts you on your *admitted* lies Um, why should I need to when he's admitted them himself? Plus which, I never saw the BatGap interview, so I have no idea what the lies he admits to were all about. I couldn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:43 AM, emptybill wrote: These are the sources the poet-pandit used - and that which was demanded be discarded by HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He found it vile and demanded it's destruction. Mahesh, lying to his own guru, kept it and repurposed it for fun and $ and to

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Yes, but how does one live on less than 900 a month? Move to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Landau
Do they have to leave every six months? On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Do not mistake understanding for realization. Do not mistake realization for Liberation. – Tibetan Proverb In interviewing many people and listening to many more whom I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Yes, but how

[FairfieldLife] Sucking Others Into One's Obsession

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
No, this is NOT a post about Judy. :-) It's a post about spiritual teachers. I'm of the opinion that one valid way of viewing spiritual teachers is as people who have a strong set of beliefs, or have had some (to them) profound experience, or both, and who were so overshadowed by those beliefs

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Gonna give you just one example from your previous post (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of misreadings): But of

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Landau Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Do they have to leave every six months? I don't think so. This is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In the meantime, I'll nail one assertion in this post that isn't just a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Only you would even be able to dig up posts I have dropped for lack of interest in pursuing it beyond making our points and realizing it was going nowhere. Judy: snip If you were honest, you'd acknowledge that in most of our hostile exchanges, you're the one to back out, not me. The most

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sucking Others Into One's Obsession

2011-07-25 Thread Bhairitu
On 07/25/2011 08:28 AM, turquoiseb wrote: No, this is NOT a post about Judy. :-) It's a post about spiritual teachers. I'm of the opinion that one valid way of viewing spiritual teachers is as people who have a strong set of beliefs, or have had some (to them) profound experience, or both,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread authfriend
Note Curtis's inability to respond with reasoned argument to my post, and his use of ad hominem as a substitute-- exactly what he had just got done falsely accusing *me* of doing. More later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Only you would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Swing in music?

2011-07-25 Thread Bhairitu
On 07/25/2011 03:11 AM, cardemaister wrote: I've often heard that swing is rather hard to define. How would youse define it? Instead of straight eights it's shuffle rhythm feel of triplet eights with a triplet eighth rest in the middle. Then a little bit of a laid back feel to it. IOW,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Will our Affirmative Action non-leading president get the US shut down?

2011-07-25 Thread Denise Evans
The FDR clip is priceless and completely pertinent to today's situation...I wouldn't call it a rant.   --- On Sun, 7/24/11, Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Will our Affirmative Action non-leading president get the US shut

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sucking Others Into One's Obsession

2011-07-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
This was one of your best post for me Barry. Genuinely profound. It is amazing how explicitly Maharishi taught the value of attuning your mind to the Masters. It was such a liberation when I freed myself from his priories which placed long periods of time with my eyes closed instead of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Note Curtis's inability to respond with reasoned argument to my post, and his use of ad hominem as a substitute-- exactly what he had just got done falsely accusing *me* of doing. How would Mr. Wonderful respond...I know,

Re: [FairfieldLife] One in five American men don't work: Where's the outrage?

2011-07-25 Thread Bhairitu
On 07/25/2011 04:07 AM, Tom Pall wrote: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/25/unemployment-job-skills-training/?iid=HP_LN Welcome to the new leisure society, Thom. You're working too hard. ;-) From the article: The longer a worker is unemployed, the farther he or she falls behind in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Summa Wrestling

2011-07-25 Thread John
Hey MZ, This is an interesting post. One of my questions is: How do you know that your enlightenment was different from the experience of Aquinas? I will ask the others after you answer this. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Buck,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Landau
Dear Robin, I fully understand everything you say here and agree and can give you a partial reason for my uniqueness in this. In so doing, of course, I open myself to thorough ridicule and dismissal, but perhaps this is good. I might as well give the best possible reason for dismissal to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing away opportunities for discussion on your endless rancorous mission to make me look bad. Fortunately for you, these back-and-forths actually end up making you look

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I rebuke thee, I rebuke the, I rebuke thee. Get thee behind me. (I've heard that works.) Curtis, this whole exchange, and the concerted attempt to keep you in it and continually replying, never to escape,

[FairfieldLife] In Praise of Vagueness

2011-07-25 Thread Bhairitu
An article for those FFL'ers obsessed with exactitude: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/in-praise-of-vagueness/ Is the eternal quest for precise information always worthwhile? Our research suggests that, at times, vagueness has its merits. Not knowing precisely how they are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks Vaj, that made me feel...well...wonderful! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is not. It is boring. And as I mentioned before, you are pissing away opportunities for discussion on your

[FairfieldLife] maskedzebra

2011-07-25 Thread johnt
Check out the Eastern Orthodox Church On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:36 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Dear Buck, Regrettably I cannot offer a substitute for TM (and Maharishi). For me, it was either TM or nothing (as a method of acquiring an objective religious experience: i.e. to know what is reality).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Thanks Vaj, that made me feel...well...wonderful! Good luck, Curtis. You've made your position clear, and that as far as you are concerned the conversation has surpassed your threshold of boringnessitude, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Very spooky images, thanks for the back story on the song. It isn't that I feel stalked but there is a definite I am an excellent driver, I am an excellent driver Rainman quality to the exchanges. There is something off about it all. Combined with the ill-wishing it makes for a creepy combo.

Re: [FairfieldLife] One in five American men don't work: Where's the outrage?

2011-07-25 Thread Denise Evans
This article does a poor job at trying to blame unemployment and disability programs for exacerbating our economic situation. There are always those that get into the system and stay there - those are sad situations - but they do not represent what is going on today.   For the large majority of

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
at_man_and_brahman, It may well be that I have mistaken what RC is going through. 'Falling' from unity is metaphorical. It is just a shift in perspective. Have you noticed the strong emotional content of RC's writing? There seems to be a substantial emotional attachment to something here (the

[FairfieldLife] Dome Exclusion was Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Me,too.  Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set of TMO rules.  The rajas and higher ups are simply following

[FairfieldLife] Dome Exclusion was Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Buck
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Me,too.  Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set of TMO rules.  The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very clear and long standing policies.  I am sure that they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread emptybill
So do you say that you never claimed to be a , Mason, a Nath, a Dzogchen-pa on this forum? What is your Hindu sampradaya? What is your Buddhist lineage? So you claim to have none? Where/When did you learn TM. Who was your initiator? You claim to have learned the TM-Sidhis program. Where/When?

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: I appreciate this thought, and agree this his actions and intentions while in unity appear askew. However, given that, in the TM Universe, Maharishi himself defined unity consciousness and to my

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: I don't think he fell from unity. Though he refuses to describe his methodology, he has made it clear that he intentionally forced his consciousness into waking state. I hypothesize that a person in

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of it. I believe the latter would be the right one based upon RC's postings here,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Visit with Amma

2011-07-25 Thread Denise Evans
You do appear to take what you like and leave the restshe absolutely asserts herself as the divine mother and is uniformly referred to as such by everyone I attended the retreat with.  Doesn't Amma mean mother?  Many of the devotees I met had some far off, spaced out look - what is up with

[FairfieldLife] Re: alternative theory regarding MZ

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swing in music?

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: I've often heard that swing is rather hard to define. How would youse define it? I would define it as something I'd rather not

[FairfieldLife] The Quote of the Decade

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Dixon
  The Quote of the Decade   “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.  It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills.  It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to

[FairfieldLife] The character arch of Elmer Gantry

2011-07-25 Thread Bob Price
For the unenlightened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8FaDaTD_hAfeature=related When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child,  I thought as a child: now that I am become a man,  I have put away childish things. Paul the Apostle 1 Corinthians 13:11 I understand character arch

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Quote of the Decade

2011-07-25 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Quote of the Decade The Quote of the Decade “The fact that we are here today to debate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Landau
On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:14 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote I suspect your usefulness to others here has a long way to go before it dwindles, but it's certainly your call. More important is whether it's useful to yourself. Thank you, we'll

[FairfieldLife] Dome Exclusion was Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: Right now there's yet another true believer check going on with DEVCO. People on IA are being called in for review of their loyalty and right thinking. Is this just DEVCO being extra cautious? IMO, no.

[FairfieldLife] Re: One in five American men don't work: Where's the outrage?

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/25/unemployment-job-skills-training/?iid=HP_LN Gee, one in 2 African American men don't work, where's the outrage? On some reservations, its like 2/3 during parts of the year. L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: You'll notice that no one ever takes her up on her offer to document everything. The readers don't care because 1) they've heard it all before, 2) because her obsession

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

2011-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:40 AM, emptybill wrote: Vag - you are a fool who cannot provide your sources because you have none. You just read this stuff and make believe. This is why you bullshit everyone here. My

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Quote of the Decade

2011-07-25 Thread John
I'm voting for a third party candidate in the next Congressional election. A third party official would check the ideological stalemate in Congress today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:   The Quote of the Decade   “The fact that we

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