Good questions, especially in an argument started by and perpetuated by someone
who doesn't even have the balls to say what she believes. She's arguing
*literally* just for the sake of arguing. Go figure.
As for life after
death, you didn't ask me but I don't see that this has anything to do
Personally, I think it would be cool if there was an afterlife of some
description but it's the last thing I'm expecting. For there to be anything it
would either have to have evolved (most likely impossible) or there is
something fundamental we don't know about the universe which is possible
Karma, in the sense of some sort of payback scheme from the universe, I don't
believe in. I believe positively in the principle of shit happens. The idea
that something bad or good that happens to me is because of something I did in
the past just doesn't work.
I remember the TMO trying to
Ha ha ha ha ha! The TMO and Benj Creme have always dealt in futures, in what's
GONE happen, not in what's happening now. Of course they make it sound like its
just ABOUT to happen, just round the bend so the faithful will continue to fill
the coffers.
If it ain't shopped, my hypothesis is that guy whas thrown towards the lake
back first...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsmxsX7fo9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsmxsX7fo9I
Oopsie-Barry. Nothing wrong with Stevie-boy's questions, but life after
death wasn't part of the discussion, as Barry would have known had he read the
posts.
Barry's panties are really in a wad this morning. Yesterday he got slapped
down because he mistakenly assumed I was trying to
I know that dialogue must embarrass you, Salyavin. Much too accurate a satire
for comfort. Not fun to realize that the New Atheist looks as insanely stupid
to the philosopher of religion as the science skeptic looks to the scientist.
You wish.
This hypothetical dialogue between a
Well, I think once you open the door to the possibility that consciousness may
continue after physical death you open the door to the possibility that there
is an agency at work behind the scenes organizing this activity.
And then there's there are the many anomalies such as twins separated
There is a difference between what the ill-informed layman
apprehends about Science, and what scientists apprehend
about science.
There is a difference between what the ill-informed layman
apprehends about God, and what the serious Theist
philosophers apprehend about God.
Creationist
Poor Xeno. If he's read my post to Salyavin of yesterday afternoon quoting
philospher and classical theist Edward Feser, he now knows he wasted a lot of
his own time and ended up only making a fool of himself. He's just way, WAY out
of his depth, in terms both of information and understanding.
Thanks for that reply. I rushing a little here, but one take away I get is
that for that to happen, (existence after death), there'd have to be something
we are presently unaware of.
And yes, I don't care to speculate too much about things, but in my opinion,
in our western dominated
I mean, I guess it could boil down to one question.
If there is consciousness after physical death, why?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
Good questions, especially in an argument started by and perpetuated by
someone who doesn't even have the balls to say what
Re But the necessary existence is another therefore... that doesn't follow
from the previous statement.:
The ontological argument re-phrased.
Definition: God = that than which nothing greater can be conceived.
Claim: a Being that *cannot* be conceived not to exist is greater than a Being
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Reminds me of the time I was in Baltimore for a business convention and took a
boat ride to the area where they had all the restaurants. I had dinner at the
place known for it's crap cakes, and sort of stuffed myself. After
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Quote of the day...
I mean, I guess it could boil down to one question.
If there is consciousness after physical death, why?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
But the necessary existence is another therefore... that doesn't follow
from the previous statement.
The best way to kill the argument I think is to decide on moral
interventionism. Seems reasonable to me that god
My oh-so-great buddy, pycho-Ravi, has sent another unsolicited message to my
wife's facebook page ... I miss you. Nice for her to know that this internet
troll is stalking her.
Dude! You can *believe* in both, religion and science! And many of those 40%
do! Equating anybody that is uninformed about the nature of the solar system
with those that follow religion is just down right bigoted. BTW, criminalizing
religion *is* a crime, check your first amendment. I know of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:
My oh-so-great buddy, pycho-Ravi, has sent another unsolicited message to my
wife's facebook page ... I miss you. Nice for her to know that this internet
troll is stalking her.
This is stalking? It's Facebook, Empty. If
Stalkers of a feather flock together.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ravi Yogi back at it - must need the attention
---In
Gosh, you are quite insane.
I wonder what it must be like to be so lacking in self awareness.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
I know that dialogue must embarrass you, Salyavin. Much too accurate a satire
for comfort.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Well, I think once you open the door to the possibility that consciousness may
continue after physical death you open the door to the possibility that there
is an agency at work behind the scenes organizing this activity.
And
But god's existence isn't super essential. That's the point. It's all the wrong
way round, I can conceive of a universe without god, I appear to be living in
one. So the argument must be falling down somewhere, probably because I can
conceive of him not existing - bit of a spanner in the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote:
If it ain't shopped, my hypothesis is that guy whas thrown towards the lake
back first...
This is so funny because this guy is having trouble keeping his balance in the
air, like he is on a tight rope! Very funny and not
Um, I'm lacking in self-awareness, but you were completely unable to recognize
the similarities between Feser's satire and our discussion? That's pretty
amusing. Right down to your unwillingness to crack a book to learn something
about classical theism because you already know it's nonsense.
So basically what you are saying is that the early gods that man invented
turned out to be too easily disposed of intellectually, so everyone is going
out of their minds to make him as oblique and impenetrable as possible yet
still keep him existing in some way. I'm a lot more interested in why
Emptybill,
His language of delivery is seemingly friendly, but there is a needle point to
make his intention known. :)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
Stalkers of a feather flock together.
In your dreams, Bayyy. Always trying to make yourself feel important (or
is that impotent) in some way. You're a joke.
From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To:
John, me being me, I wonder if it happened around the time of the full Moon.
Plus all those malefics in Libra!
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:32 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Emptybill,
His language of delivery is seemingly friendly, but there is a needle point to
Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus?
Shikha Dalmia|Nov. 3, 2013 10:00 am
Today is Diwali, the biggest Hindu holiday, when believers celebrate the
victory of good over evil. Usually, nothing dampens the Diwali spirit among
observant Hindus, but this year there is a cloud hanging over
Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
The best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your own arm. -
Swedish proverb
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
The wise
Share,
I would assume it's the full moon which brings about strange behavior in some
people. But those malefics in Libra are much more destructive than a nasty
email. The eruption of a volcano in Indonesia is much more representative of
the malefic effects.
We should keep a careful
On 2/18/2014 8:45 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
If I believe that there is life after death and there is none, and
everything just goes black, there will be no I present to even be
disappointed, so again I win.
So, who does the winning?
On 2/18/2014 4:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
they make it sound like its just ABOUT to happen, just round the bend
so the faithful will continue to fill the coffers.
Sometimes you just have to keep working in order to get the PC to boot
up. If you fail, there will be NOTHING to fill your
On 2/17/2014 8:06 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Many of my friends are ex-pats and all are...uh...shall we
say...critical of the US
Now that's funny - expats in Leiden, NE, that are still interested in
U.S. politics, watching an American TV show, and eating Italian food
called New York
Yes, yes, yes! Thanks Ann and Steve.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Well, I think once you open the door to the possibility that consciousness may
continue after physical death you open the
On the other hand, I was appalled at a book my granddaughter brought over,
several years ago, when she was about six. Her mom is the perfect born again
(I tend to think of them as, reheated, vs. reborn) Xtian hypocrite.
It was a creationist coloring book, stating that the earth was just 6,000
My latest - surfing the line between music and thinking. Two minutes:
https://app.box.com/s/1umn41y4wd8vmgif2w4u
https://app.box.com/s/1umn41y4wd8vmgif2w4u
copyright Temple Dog 2014
--- turquoiseb turquoiseb@... wrote:
Stalkers of a feather flock together.
--- awoelflebater awoelflebater@... wrote:
In your dreams, Bayyy. Always trying to make yourself feel important (or
is that impotent) in some way. You're a joke.
I think he enjoys making false
From my adventures a couple of days ago - this rock has a lot of awareness (and
I am not referring to myself!):
https://app.box.com/s/32pdpokzgr5h0f8fs0b5
https://app.box.com/s/32pdpokzgr5h0f8fs0b5
Mom and apple pie.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote:
--- turquoiseb turquoiseb@... wrote:
Stalkers of a feather flock together.
--- awoelflebater awoelflebater@... wrote:
In your dreams, Bayyy. Always trying to make yourself feel important (or
Of course, nobody is stalking Barry. That's a misuse of the term. But if you
want to misuse it to mean comment negatively, as he does, then you have to
say he stalks more than anybody else here.
Stalkers of a feather flock together.
In your dreams, Bayyy. Always trying to make
That's pretty cool - where is it? Is it on public land?
On Tue, 2/18/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] An amazing rock
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2014,
I agree, Doc, and would add: this rock is a Being! Love the view too. Thanks
for posting such an awesome photo.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:17 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
From my adventures a couple of days ago - this rock has a lot of
Man post some more of that - playing that really amped up the bliss I am
currently perceiving (no joke, it did!)
On Tue, 2/18/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'thot'
To:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Well, I think once you open the door to the possibility that consciousness may
continue after physical death you open the door to the possibility that there
is
Salyavin, I actually find these questions quite profound, worth mulling over,
etc. I also like your question about what is my karma bouncing off of but won't
address that here and now.
Anyway, when I think about my belief in a supreme existence, I realize what it
does for me is create a
It certainly has personality and sensual lips :-)
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs20/i/2007/292/8/0/devID_version_1_by_bishie_stalker_club.jpg
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs20/i/2007/292/8/0/devID_version_1_by_bishie_stalker_club.jpg
--- authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
Of course, nobody is stalking Barry. That's a misuse of the term. But
On 2/18/2014 12:23 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Of course, nobody is stalking Barry. That's a misuse of the term.
But if you want to misuse it to mean comment negatively, as he does,
then you have to say he stalks more than anybody else here.
By stalking, Barry probably means monitoring
Salyavin,
Here in the US, the people are free to believe in any religion or ideas they
want just as long as they don't harm others in the process. The founding
fathers of this country were wise in including this freedom as part of the
Constitution. After seeing the religious persecutions
On 2/18/2014 8:53 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
pycho-Ravi, has sent another unsolicited message to my wife's facebook
page
My wife Rita, who works at Whole Foods in the vitamin section, said she
got a call on the company phone during business hours from someone
calling himself Bob wanting
http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_0069/34631_cartoon_main/facebook-stalker.jpg
http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_0069/34631_cartoon_main/facebook-stalker.jpg
--- doctordumbass no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Mom and apple pie.
--- turquoiseb turquoiseb@... wrote:
Stalkers of a
Doc,
Your daughter-in-law must think you're misguided and must be saved. :)
Doc,
It's a rock and has an awareness of a rock.
Doc's Rock rocks (-:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:33 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Doc,
It's a rock and has an awareness of a rock.
We have that freedom here John, I agree that everyone should be free to
interpret the world as they please. Where we might disagree is whether lying to
children harms them or not. I say an education that involves things known not
to be true it leaves children intellectually badly equipped. It
On 2/18/2014 10:40 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
...a fundamental misunderstanding of the mind of its adherents: They
are not gullible fools. They take a calculated risk that they
intuitively feel is worth the spiritual payoff. Going down the wrong
mystical path is an unavoidable hazard of
You should have had black bars at the top and bottom since it is shot
and presented in 2:1 aspect ratio. I didn't realize this with season 1
because I watched it on my old HD RPTV which has overscan and cropped
most if not all of the black bars. The only way to fix that is to have
the tubes
https://lh3.ggpht.com/-2OESjjhkhlQ/TrCE_-pDqBI/AWg/Zc4-2_ZBAUI/s1600/facebook.jpg
https://lh3.ggpht.com/-2OESjjhkhlQ/TrCE_-pDqBI/AWg/Zc4-2_ZBAUI/s1600/facebook.jpg
On 2/18/2014 12:23 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Of course, nobody is stalking Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Salyavin, I actually find these questions quite profound, worth mulling over,
etc. I also like your question about what is my karma bouncing off of but won't
address that here and now.
A good mull does one good I think.
The so-called paradox of freedom is the argument that
freedom in the sense of absence of any constraining control
must lead to very great restraint, since it makes the bully
free to enslave the meek. The idea is, in a slightly
different form, and with very different tendency, clearly
Sounds like enlightenment is coming to FFL!
Duck!
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:54 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Salyavin, I actually find these questions quite profound, worth mulling over,
etc. I
Sometimes the article I might post here is just an article and has nothing to
do with my former TM experience, Willy-Tex. I thought since many here on FFL
have had a passing interest in that which the Hindu hath wrought, they might
find it of interest.
Maybe not.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Of course, nobody is stalking Barry. That's a misuse of the term. But if you
want to misuse it to mean comment negatively, as he does, then you have to
say he stalks more than anybody else here.
Judy has made 22,444
Got this in the post today. Bless them, but I can't help thinking it's a missed
opportunity. The purpose of jyotish and yagya is to predict and avert dangers,
not get a yagya together after it's stopped raining and half the country is
underwater. Doh!
Still, a bit of affluence will be most
“Today, with the discovery that within every brain physiology are tremendous
powers, the world today is different than the world of yesterday. All those
powers that are administering the individual life are those powers which
together are administering the whole universe. That higher power can
I arrived back late last night and read no posts except that one I responded
to. I derived my material principally from the Wikipedia article, but what I
asked you was what *you* thought classical theism was that resulted in your
rejection what I presumed it was, not what someone else thought
I think it would be more useful to do a yagya that would ameliorate the damage
that have already occurred, and that would show evidence of efficacy, rather
than averting a danger that has not been predicted and therefore can never be
shown that it was averted. It just seems that dangers follow
THey love this kind of crap cause they can ask for heaps more money - and if
their jyotish worked, why didn't they predict the rains and do a jyotish/yagya
rain dance in reverse to avert the danger, before it arises! I wish I could
find a copy of that old song - it was my favorite to mock even
Let me say it another way, since Xeno seems to have had a little trouble
reading it the first time:
Nobody is stalking Barry. That's a misuse of the term. But if you want to
misuse it to mean comment negatively, as he does, then you have to say he
stalks more than anybody else here.
Plus
Xeno's questions are once again disingenuous. I think classical theism is what
Feser says in his posts. That's, you know, why I posted them here, along with
additional links. Nor have I ever seen any other classical theist describe it
differently. In any case, of course it isn't a matter of
They used to make regular pleas for money for yagyas because jyotishees had
predicted trouble ahead from bad planetary influences. I used to tell anyone
who would listen (not many to be honest) NOT to donate to the yagya, I reasoned
that no prayer to the gods for intervention might be a good
The neo search function does not work very well, I could not find the material
you mentioned. Can you give me the post number? There was no post I could find
that credited Fesler directly in the past few days. Name the post number that
has Fesler quotes that describe classical theism.
Yes, of course. Haven't seen her for a couple of years, lowly sinner that I
am.:-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote:
Doc,
Your daughter-in-law must think you're misguided and must be saved. :)
Yes, exactly! Not a big surprise - just play it repeatedly. Of course it comes
from inside me, so I will sometimes listen to a song of mine thirty or forty
times, to truly understand it. Fade The Cloth!!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:
Man post some more of that -
Um...right. From each angle it presents another facet of its personality. I
wish I didn't sound so crazy talking about this - it is a very cool object to
have discovered - Would love to take it home for a front yard ornament.
On 2/18/2014 4:00 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's very well established what it is.
It may be very well established but let's review what we know about theism:
Monotheism, the belief in the existence of one transcendent God, is the
classical use of the word theism in Christianity,
On 2/18/2014 4:00 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Xeno might also want to check with his mentor Barry concerning
Wikipedia's reliability.
We should probably also check the dictionary.
the·ism:
belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the
existence of one God
On 2/18/2014 3:49 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Let me say it another way
Let me say it another way: Maybe by stalking Barry means monitoring
his messages on FFL. Internet stalking is defined as unwanted or
obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person. So,
I'd say
...from someone calling himself Bob wanting to know what kind of shampoo I
use n my hair. For the record, I use Dr. Bronner's, if anyone else is
interested. Go figure.
Guilty. Hmmm, Rita told me you used Head and Shoulders, and then asked me for
my phone number. Go figure...
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Feser's last name doesn't appear in the post except in the links, which use his
full name edwardfeser (not Fesler).
The neo search function does not work very well, I could not find the material
you mentioned. Can you give me the post number? There was no post I could find
that credited
Avert the danger before it arises!
Every nation wants to be invincible
thirsting for underlying principle
now we know the way
dear Maharishi says:
Avert the danger before it arises
long before the army mobilizes.
In raising world consciousness
world purity will grow
no enemy will
The funny thing was that I think people thought I was drunk, but I hadn't had
anything to drink. But in order to save face, I did feel compelled to mention
that fact to one or two people who were close by.
I also don't recall that anyone inquired about my well being.
I mean here is a boat
Sure, thanks for elaborating. Although I don't have any recall experiences of
a previous existence, I think we all have spent some time trying to come to
some understanding of what it all means
Now, in my cosmology, I can't make sense of things without introducing the
tenants of karma and
well, it is an interesting point you make Ann. I do think that the atheists,
in general like keeping the discussion on a more abstract, highly philosophical
track.
I mean, if I understand it correctly, an atheist would have to believe that we
are born as a blank slate. And that when we
I was shocked to discover a few months ago that Target sells Dr. B's. On my
second bottle.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:
On 2/18/2014 8:53 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
pycho-Ravi, has sent another unsolicited message to my wife's facebook page
Against
On Wed, 2/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 1:18 AM
Against - a cult by any other name is still a cult
On Wed, 2/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 1:18 AM
On 2/18/2014 7:55 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Against - a cult by any other name is still a cult
Maybe it's time to review the definition of a cult:
A cult is a small group of people forming a new religious movement who
use mind control, coercion, or brainwashing techniques in order to
Yep that's a fine description of what the TMO does these days
On Wed, 2/19/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 2:09
was it Emily Levin who wrote that, or was it someone else?
On Wed, 2/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Avert the danger, before it arises!
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday,
Today I was walking past a department store when a sudden commotion caught my
attention. A young man was being frogmarched to a waiting police car by two
constables - obviously he was a shoplifter who hadn't been as careful as he
should have been. But what appalled me was that everyone around
There was no context to explain. Ravi decided to let my wife know he was
thinking about her even though she doesn't know him except through my
descriptions. Originally she had to ask me who this Ravi guy was.
When someone you don't know writes I love you and I'm thinking of you on
your
On 2/18/2014 6:47 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Avert the danger before it arises!
pains 2 avoid
What is to be avoided is suffering that has not yet come. - Yoga Sutra
2.16
It's a little easier to understand when you read the YS in context: 2:15
- Everything is suffering for the wise
On 2/18/2014 5:57 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Rita told me you used Head and Shoulders, and then asked me for my
phone number.
That was the Rita at the Free Clinic - you should call them back right away!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Um...right. From each angle it presents another facet of its personality. I
wish I didn't sound so crazy talking about this - it is a very cool object to
have discovered - Would love to take it home for a front yard
On 2/18/2014 6:41 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Feser's last name doesn't appear in the post except in the links,
which use his full name edwardfeser (not Fesler).
Just cut out all the double-speak - everyone knows that I'm the
professor and the fester lives up in IA.
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