I'm just saddened that some react to discovering that they've been manipulated
by a group that claims to have all the answers by fleeing to another group that
claims to have all the answers. I don't see this as progress, merely exchanging
one set of chains for another.
Sounds like an interesting book. Shame about the appalling title. I think the
tagline should read:
One Man's Escape from Insanity' is the story of Shuvender Sem, who, 10 years
later, we are now going to pretend that on March 1, 2004 became known as 'The
Maharishi Murderer' to sell more
I disagree, he seems to be lecturing on ways to cope with schizophrenia. From
his webpage:
Shubi’s first-hand experience with paranoid schizophrenia has given the
medical community fresh eyes on how to define and promote mental health. His
nationally renowned struggle with mental health
It sounds like something good is happening!
But I've always thought that if Jesus is the answer you've asked the wrong
question. Out of the frying pan.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
You decide:
http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm
It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from Sem
himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The blurb
was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher hired to
stir up interest in the book, SEND2PRESS.
On the other
While your approach to this is rational, Salyavin, I think you have to remember
that you're not dealing with rational people. They're ANGRY at Shuvender Sem,
and want to see him PAY.
Not for the murder, but for revealing once and for all that the ME is a lie.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
It's probably worth noting that the blurb Michael posted here is *NOT* from
Sem himself, and the title of the book is *NOT* The Maharishi Murderer. The
blurb was written by a part-timer at the book PR agency Sem or the publisher
MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with
respect to this man and the incident:
1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of
medication can be reduced by doing TM (the MUM homepage even had a banner
proclaiming it during the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
MUM, the TMO, and the TM movement had two main areas of culpability with
respect to this man and the incident:
1) there's a pervasive attitude that TM cures all ills and that all forms of
medication can be reduced by doing TM
With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!)
from A to Z and back again. But probably they realize his mental problems are
so profound that they won't bother. The USA might have different laws. In
Europe seriously disturbed persons, or persons with an IQ below 50
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
With a constructed title like that the TMO ought to sue Michael Jackson (!)
from A to Z and back again.
I repeat my
14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The
comparable rate is 0.4 in Japan, 0.8 in Germany, 1.0 in Australia 1.1 in France
and 1.2 in Britain.
That's more worrying than one murder in Fairfield or what one retarded poster
to an obscure blog is capable of doing
14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The
comparable rate is 0.4 in Japan, 0.8 in Germany, 1.0 in Australia 1.1 in France
and 1.2 in Britain.
That's more worrying than one murder in Fairfield or what one retarded poster,
to an obscure blog run by an
So the countries with the highest percentage of TMers - and living in
coherence creating groups - have the highest murder rate? Fascinating.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
14,827 were murdered in the USA last year, that's 4,7 pr 100.000 people. The
The papaya story is the most highly dubious thing I've read in a long time, and
of course the plural of anecdote isn't data. But some people will take anything
as confirmation of what they want to be true.
Like the alien abduction victim who was observed to be asleep in her car
during an
I think you are right about that - I thought the UK press had dubbed him the
Maharishi Murderer but I may be incorrect
On Tue, 4/8/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
To:
I guess I was surprised that someone who went so far on the TM path (governor,
faculty, etc) would do such a 180
On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
To:
When I was at MIU there was a kid, I forget how old, I think around 11 or 12
maybe who came onto campus riding his bike I think right around dark. He
entered campus on the lower entrance and the MIU security had put a chain
across the entrance to keep people from coming in by automobile.
Good one Sal!
On Tue, 4/8/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 10:55 AM
how could they sue me? I didn't make the title up.
On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 9:19 AM
Well, I would say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I think many
have taken this route.
A friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day, and lived in FF
for a spell, is now priest in an archdiocese in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he
tells a similar store as Kai Druhl,
On 4/7/2014 8:41 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I also have to point out that he is not the only one to be doing TM
regularly and commit a crime - fraud, sex crimes, murder and attempted
murder. And I don't think it can all be laid at the door of they had
an underlying mental imbalance before
On 4/7/2014 2:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
They say the reason they're doing this is because HBO Go crashed
mightily last night while trying to support the new episode of Game
Of Thrones and thus wasn't available for anyone to watch this one.
Addressing the important issues!
Oh I know it happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL people in
the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty members I encountered seemed to be
a bit more of the True Believers than most of the staff and students, of course
that could be because they were required as part of
On 4/7/2014 5:11 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
New Autobiography Gives Insight into Maharishi Murder
Never pass up a tragedy to win a religious debate. Go figure.
On 4/8/2014 7:17 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I think you are right about that
You got to work really early today!
So Sal, what do you think of the bid for Scottish independence?
On 4/8/2014 8:05 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I just hope that one day
Maybe it's time for you to take responsibility for your own actions, and
get to work, instead of obsessing about John and Bevan. Have you
considered getting some cult-exit counseling? Why not contact John
Knapp? You might
Should be a boon for Mel Gibson .
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:46 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
So Sal, what do you think of the bid for Scottish independence?
On 4/8/2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy
pretending it never happened in their own minds.
This is funny - Barry probably never set foot on the MUM campus, or even
the campus in Vlodrop, NE where Barry lived for years. Go figure.
On 4/7/2014 10:53 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
And it surprises me, not the least, if people might get freaked out by
some of them manifestations that energy can take.
It may be surprising, but not compared to the usual freak-outs some
people go through in the waking state almost every
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 4/8/2014 2:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Many of the people on campus (and the TBs here) are still busy pretending it
never happened in their own minds.
This is funny - Barry probably never set foot on the MUM campus, or even
On 4/8/2014 2:17 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
While your approach to this is rational, Salyavin, I think you have to
remember that you're not dealing with rational people.
We are not dealing with rational people - if they were rational, they
wouldn't murder students at school.
They're ANGRY at
I'm not really sure what the fuss is about to be honest. They want to keep the
pound as currency, they want to keep the queen as head of state, they want to
share the military. It's a poor sounding independence so far!
But I don't think it will happen as the Bank of England has made it
Steve, your last two paragraphs make a lot of sense to me based on my own
experience. I think in general it's wise to take what's good about someone or
something and leave the rest. UNLESS there's violence happening in which case I
think it's essential to do what one can to prevent it, even if
On 4/8/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a student 'doing program' as
he was told to do in the exact dead center of all of this powerful Woo
Woo went off and killed someone?
Now this is not funny - Barry's guru was into the powerful Woo Woo, up
to,
To Reflect...
Flowers of Forgiveness
and if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as
well (Mathew 5:40).
One day, when Stan Mooneyham walked along a trail in East Africa with some
friends, he smelled a delicious perfume in the air. He looked up at the
Where, exactly, Barry, does Nabby make excuses for Shuvender Sem and for the
TMO? I couldn't find that part of his post. Could you quote it for us, please?
Unless, of course, it was just your fantasy.
After all, the notion that Nabby would be upset that a new round of publicity
is going to
Good catch, feste, that bit about Sem now seeming to boast about being a
murderer when he was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I guess
he really wants his book to be a bestseller which is understandable. But
really?!
On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:28 PM, feste37
I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not
guilty by way of insanity is obviously the correct decision as it wasn't
premeditated or deliberate. Insanity is a legal term which means you aren't
responsible for your actions.
You would only be right in
From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
. . .
He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ]
seems to have failed to notice
The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member
of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 4/8/2014 4:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
WTF went wrong with the supposed ME that a
Don't worry MJ, the TMO would not sue someone with obvious and serious mental
issues in need of medication.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
how could they sue me? I didn't make the title up.
On Tue, 4/8/14,
Sem is a murderer de facto. He's just not a murderer de jure, i.e., not legally
guilty of murder. So of course there's no contradiction there.
I'm not sure how Feste could catch, without having read the book, that Sem
is boasting about anything other than, perhaps, his apparent recovery from
salyavin, probably his book publicist thought up that phrase. But that would
mean that Sem agreed for that phrase to be used, doesn't it? I'm not familiar
with how much control an author has over the selling of his or her book and all
the various steps included in that process.
As for his
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I don't get that he was boasting about it. But he did murder the guy and not
guilty by way of insanity is obviously
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was member
of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world.
Possibly one of the weirdest but for sure headed by someone with one of
You've never quite understood the phrase shoot the messenger. It assumes that
the messenger himself is not responsible for the message and thus is being shot
unfairly. Obviously that isn't the case with you; you bring knowingly false
messages of your own devising all the time, and you are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
I don't get that he was boasting about it. But
You seem to have seen right through that worst kind of salesman and his lies.
Unfortunately, souls with lesser intuition than yourself swallowed every word
that weirdo uttered and stayed glued to the man for many years, like the Turq
here. Who appear to have been been injured by his yearlong
If the book is self-published, as this one was, the author has total control
over every step of the process. (That's what self-published means, you see.)
Who dreamed up the phrase Maharishi Murderer isn't important. but it's
highly unlikely it was either Sem or the PR firm that wrote the
Mike Judge really nailed the goofiness of Silicon Valley or Silly
Conned Valley as I call it. Believe me, a reality show shot there
couldn't have done much better. I once made reference to the culture
of the South Bay and my sister replied what culture?
I also liked the little visual homage
Then you are totally safe!!!
On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 2:46 PM
ha! That's a great statistic Barry!
On Tue, 4/8/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 2:39
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Murderer
. . .
He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to
You are so gullible, Michael. You keep falling for Barry's deceitful crap. His
statistic is a total non sequitur. The only reason he mentions it is to
distract attention from his nitwit notion that Sem's book would begin a new
round of publicity exposing the Maharishi Effect.
That Collected
Barry is a worse scam artist than anyone in the TMO.
. . .
He [ Barry, the messenger Judy wants desperately to shoot any way she can ]
Bawwy, you are only a messenger to the degree that your messages hold any
merit or truth. Until that time they are only so much dreck.
And still not a single word from any of them -- Feste, Nabby, Judy, Richard or
Ann -- about the real issue, which of course that a murder at Ground Zero of
the supposed Maharishi Effect casts pretty damning doubts about its
existence. Instead, each of them have spent multiple posts trying to
You need not to worry, like I said the TMO don't sue people with mental
disorders.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Then you are totally safe!
On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Still nothing but dishonest dreck from Barry. You lurking reporters, take
note: Barry is incapable of telling the truth. In this case, he's well aware
that neither Ann nor I are believers in the Maharishi Effect, nor do we have
any problem with the subject of Sem's murder being brought up
Boast may not be the best word, but Sem being a murderer is central to how the
book is being promoted (even though he was found not guilty by reason of
insanity). If he is going to promote himself as a murderer, I think all profits
from his book should be donated to the family of the victim.
from the article:
If you remember when Lance Armstrong was on Oprah, she asked
him, when you were in the middle of things, did you feel you were
cheating? Did you feel you were doing something wrong? He said no. He
sounded like a psychopath when he was saying that. But from everything I know,
On 4/8/2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
The Turqs rants about Maharishi is just a way to sidetrack that he was
member of the Rama Cult, one of the weirdest cults in the western world.
Correction: one of the leaders of the Rama cult.
Relax, Feste. The book is barely being promoted at all, and any profits are
going to be negligible. Don't make Barry's stupid mistake of thinking the book
is going to be a sensational bestseller.
And he's hardly promoting himself as a murderer. He's telling his story
because he thinks it
How about a TV series of a small mid-west town whose residents believe
they can save the world? I bet that pitch would get green lit by a
major network. Let's see we could call it. Fairfield Life.
On 04/08/2014 05:59 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
On 4/7/2014 2:35 PM,
Love it, Saintly Share doing her best to excuse Barry (and herself) for their
repeated chronic and malicious dishonesty (while at the same time suspecting
Sem of faking his paranoid schizophrenia). Guess I'm going to have to go take
another bath.
from the article: If you remember when
Judy, I received this newsletter today thought it was a fascinating addition
to what is being discussed on FFL today and has been discussed on many days.
Any other motives are a merely a projection of what is inside you.
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
Are you saying the Turq was one of the leaders of the Rama Cult, one of the
weirdest cults in the western world ? Never heard him brag about it here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 4/8/2014 9:43 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
The Turqs rants about Maharishi is
Nothing like what Lance Armstrong did is being discussed on FFL today, first
of all. Second of all, it would be awfully hard for me to project an attempt to
excuse you and Barry from your dishonesty.
I'm going by your record of pandering to the males here and especially to
Barry. And I would
From: Mea Lama [mailto:m...@change.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:24 PM
To: r...@batgap.com
Subject: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD, FAIRFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
AND JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS: Postpone negotiations and
representations to and with the Heartland
Although he nailed the goofiness as you say, and although I can certainly
recognize some of the crazy stuff that goes on in the world of entrepreneurial
software, I have to admit I found it silly and not terribly amusing. It was
just like software itself -- overblown and full of pretense, and
When was the last time *you* were in SV? Believe it or not that is a
fairly accurate portrayal of the way it is now. I'm an old fart who
because I started programming for Android in early 2009 actually gets
phone interviews. Most of them are by lame 25 year olds who think they
are king
This will be a mighty coup if you can pull it off - the monetary benefits they
are talking about the grain elevator providing for the community and the
benefits to the farmers are powerful enticements in this day and economy. Has
MUM taken an official position on this? It would impact the
Michael,
I'd say you've got your work cut out for you.
Tackle them one at a time.
I can't think of a better use of your time.
Maybe you can get a specially outfitted van.
Michael's Traveling antiTM Van. Driving Home the Truth about TM Across
America, or something along these
MUM campus sits right next to a grain elevator, and this new facility will be
about 5 miles away. There's lots of shrieking about GMO dust, but the main
voices in the fight against it are the people from neighboring properties who
will be impacted by the increase in truck traffic. In any
He could only pull this off if he has been allowed to keep his drivers
license. Perhaps the Turq could help him out and spend some of his autumn
years behind the wheel.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Michael,
I'd say you've got your work cut out for you.
That is a wonderfully creative idea Driving home the truth about TM all across
America! I like it! And what does that mean, circumspect, exactly?
On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Would the grain elevator be more difficult to do if the zoning deal had gone
through?
On Tue, 4/8/14, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Update about 'THE MAYOR OF FAIRFIELD,
My driver's license is valid and doesn't need to be renewed till 2020.
On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8,
I don't know. The zoning war took place back in the 1980s, and I have no
recollection of what the zoning would have prohibited.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote :
Would the grain elevator be more difficult to do if the zoning deal had gone
through?
I'm glad we are now all clear about this point.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
My driver's license is valid and doesn't need to be renewed till 2020.
On Tue, 4/8/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier
Read more at
http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99
http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99
15-Year Study
Not for you, Steve must be mixing you up with someone else. It's something
Jewish parents have doctors do to the willies of their sons.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
That is a wonderfully creative idea Driving home the truth about TM all across
America! I like
Looks like you found this study really, really, REALLY interesting, Nabby. ;-)
15-Year Study Reveals Bras Actually Make Breasts Saggier Read more at
http://isupportorganic.blogspot.com/2013/11/15-year-study-reveals-bras-actually.html#Lk64AokYZyDyDt0c.99
Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing: Women who took off their
bras for good experienced a 7mm lift
Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples
each year they didn’t wear a bra.
Read more at
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Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing:
Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples
each year they didn’t wear a bra.
Truly fascinating stuff.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Looks like
Indeed. And I found this message most intriguing:
Women who took off their bras for good experienced a 7mm lift in their nipples
each year they didn’t wear a bra.
Just imagine what 10 years without a bra would do. Truly fascinating stuff.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
I'll probably get flak for saying this, but it almost sounds like Michael's
emotional development got arrested at around age nine or ten. Maybe when a
child begins to separate reality from fantasy.
I never swallowed whole on all the claims made or implied by MMY. I mean, a
teacher lays out
Yes I see. Well I certainly didn't hit that key 7 times, it's an interesting
study, but not THAT interesting. But I must admit to speculating how the
breasts of my ex-girlfriends would appear when we are in our 80's if they
follow this advice.
The Reappearance of this article 7 times must be
Just had to post this cuz I think it makes egg-cellent points - although I do
wish he would learn to use a spell checker:
On False Invincibility Claims
admin April 7, 2014 MUM Stories
The rumors are true, the claims are false — in my opinion. Maharishi University
of Management has a tricky
Nice photos at the end of the article:
http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/on-hazardous-health-conditions.html
what I mean is, that I don't recall many outlandish connections between the
discipline being studied and the Science of Creative Intelligence.
Some of the disciplines lent themselves to a better comparison, such as
physics and mathematics, and maybe chemistry, and some did not.
But during
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You hope all of the below, eh?
If scientists found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who ever
learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was putting themselves at risk?
Wouldn't a healthier hope be that scientists objectively examine TM's effects
in independently done
Ah, thanks for clarifying. Thanks also for reaching out with your TM enhanced
awareness and assessing my state of emotional development. It is true that I
was emotionally arrested at age 10, but just 2 weeks of TM allowed me to catch
up and I actually got enlightened after 6 months of TM. I am
Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become worse with
stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper supervision, might be
beneficial to at least some people. But the TM organization isn't equipped to
handle those details, and MMY's attitude towards psychiatrists made
If scientists found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who
ever learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was putting themselves at
risk?
I already know that, but it would be nice to have science confirm it. Yee haaa!
As to my hopes they are based in personal experience and
The needs of the many seen from teh perspective of the needs of the few.
If you believe in all the little details that Maharishi's perspective implies,
then you end up with that kind of response. It's very fundamentalist.
L
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