Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
In that last part he was referring to me because I have stated here on FFL that I practice chi gung, which has nothing to do with religion, nor kung fu for that matter, except that some martial arts practitioners use chi gung to increase their chi for their martial arts practice. Richard is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
You know, I had never thought of it that way, but the Big M really DID shape our beliefs not only about the world around us and about ourselves but about TM itself which was a core aspect of his selling TM and its adjunct programs to everyone. Thank you for the insight Curtis.

[FairfieldLife] 3 Years of Transcendental Meditation = Gratitude

2014-05-02 Thread nablusoss1008
It's from the Digital Buddhist so it must be true :-) : On April 30th 2011, I learned the method of Transcendental Meditation… And since then I have experienced the most productive and present 3 years of my life; which includes moving to New York City and turning an idea I had, into a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
But Curtis, you already have some big filters: one, and imo the most significant one, that it's preferable to come to a new experience as filter free as possible. Shouldn't we challenge this belief too? And two, don't you already have some significant filters about mindfulness simply from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
Richard, I don't think *thinking things over in the conscious mind* really describes TM! Though it is one possible definition of meditation. On Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:11 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:   On 5/1/2014 8:18 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, sense of self

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Humankind

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
But Buck, the soil is so polluted now that probably all it's good for is to grow a gasoline additive! On Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:57 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:   And then the accelerating problem; the aggregating farm monopolies bull-dozing farmsteads that

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Transcendentalism,

2014-05-02 Thread dhamiltony2k5
WE ARE A LIVING EXPRESSION OF the TRANSCENDENT'S PERFECTION. Every individual is a living expression of a perfection of the Unified Field, in wholeness, power, creativity, and joy. We have within us the pattern of perfection and the ability to bring it into manifestation. Today, and every

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
I agree, Richard that what's needed is to study these different brain states in a scientific way. For one thing, to counter the flood of New Age beliefs that we now deal with in addition to the old age beliefs! A lot of the New Age beliefs, like it's better to be filter free, are actually in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
I hope you're not alluding to me, Curtis, because if you are, this would be a seriously misleading way of putting it. Verging on deceptive, in fact. A previous poster was also a big fan of trying to hold me accountable for Barry's perspective. What is with you guys? Can't keep yer eye on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Right. You just regularly barge into such discussions, announcing that there is no God and that anyone who believes there is is worse than a fool. Although I fully understand that some people get off on debating the existence of God and things like that, *nothing bores me more* these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Nobody ever disputed this point with Barry, including those who believe in determinism. He could never quite understand how someone could believe in determinism and yet continue to act as if they had free will without serious cognitive dissonance. He was unable to grasp that believers in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
Christopher Hitchens would agree with him if Barry were to say such a thing. On Fri, 5/2/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Uh, duh. Barry has said such a thing, many times. My point was that while he professes to a hands-off approach to the issue, claiming to be bored by it, in fact he is driven to make frequent pronouncements of his perspective whenever it's discussed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
Sorta like the way you're trying to barge into a pleasant conversation that doesn't concern you and trying to turn it into an argument of some kind? What a pathetic old hag you are, Judy. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
What happened here?? - Harris: Given the degree to which religion still inspires human conflict, and impedes genuine inquiry, I believe that merely being a self-described “Buddhist” is to be complicit in the world’s violence and ignorance to an unacceptable degree. - See more at:

[FairfieldLife] Amazing discovery about Pyramid construction!

2014-05-02 Thread Mike Dixon
Yahoo is actually reporting that a physics professor at the University of Amsterdam has discovered that pouring water on the sand in front of a sled carrying a large stone block would make it easier to pull and this is how they built the pyramids! My god, what will they think of next? But then

Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Rules the Earth

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A true find. Truly mind-boggling to consider that adult human beings actually thought that this was an effective sales presentation. How brainwashed do you have to be to think like that? Trust me Bawwy, no one on the planet

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In that last part he was referring to me because I have stated here on FFL that I practice chi gung, which has nothing to do with religion, nor kung fu for that matter, except that some martial arts practitioners use chi gung to

[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Okay, fine, so now you and Sam Harris are atheistic transcendentalists in experience without poetry. And by your own experience, in shorthand, a “substitutor meditator” in spiritual practice, Evidently like Sam Harris. Welcome back, -Buck Curtisdeltablues writes: Buck writes:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris   I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I would love to help you prep for an interview. He is an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
Judy, I doubt that Curtis thinks of you as a previous poster! Want to guess again? On Friday, May 2, 2014 8:20 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   I hope you're not alluding to me, Curtis, because if you are, this would be a seriously misleading way of putting it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You know, I had never thought of it that way, but the Big M really DID shape our beliefs not only about the world around us and about ourselves but about TM itself which was a core aspect of his selling TM and its adjunct programs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/1/2014 11:04 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Nobody reads my tape loops anyway - so thanks for reading my tape loop. Now, about that Rama levitation tape loop... It's true. Loop de loop. Loopy. Sloppy Sloopy. Nobody wants to talk about human levitation, the centerpiece of the TMO and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:   R: According to Harris, by paying close attention to moment-to-moment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I hope you're not alluding to me, Curtis, because if you are, this would be a seriously misleading way of putting it. Verging on deceptive, in fact. C: Sorry to bust your righteousness buzz but I was not. You are a current poster.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
turq, I agree with you about the use of hierarchy. But what about using the concept of fuller stages of development wrt humans? This might even be measurable scientifically. What others have called Self just might be a label for the situation in which most of the brain functioning in an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 4:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: In that last part he was referring to me because I have stated here on FFL that I practice chi gung, which has nothing to do with religion, nor kung fu for that matter, except that some martial arts practitioners use chi gung to increase their chi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 5:12 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I still continue to practice a sitting meditation most days -- not TM, not mantra-based, but eyes-closed, dive-for-deep-samadhi meditation. I do it because I enjoy it, and after 20 minutes or so I feel refreshed and experience a clarity that I would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/1/2014 3:02 PM, curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I am reading his book on free will right now. Very thought provoking.   Someone needs to tell Barry that Harris says

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Just making an observation, Barry. Since it's factually accurate, there's no basis to argue about it. In any case, some of the discussions of belief in God have been entirely pleasant until you stuck your nose in and insulted the participants. So in that sense, if I'm a pathetic old hag, so are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 6:24 AM, Share Long wrote: And Richard, how can we possibly separate belief and practice completely? I don't think we can simply because we don't live our lives with our heads cut off from our bodies! We cannot possibly separate our beliefs completely, but what we can do is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Curtis, you already have some big filters: C: Right that is why I said this: Of course I can only be marginally successful with this goal S:one, and imo the most significant one, that it's preferable to come to a new

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Okey-doke, glad to hear it. I don't recall anyone trying to stick you with Barry's perspective on Lenz's alleged levitation exploits, though, previous poster or otherwise (it wasn't entirely clear what previous poster meant--it could have referred to a poster not involved in the current

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
Bullshit. fuller stages of development is just another hierarchy. Brains functioning in an optimally healthy way is another hierarchy. Both are mere assumptions. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Okey-doke, glad to hear it. I don't recall anyone trying to stick you with Barry's perspective on Lenz's alleged levitation exploits, C: I didn't claim this, I just said Barry's perspective. J: though, previous poster or otherwise

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
Yes, turq, but some hierarchies are useful. For example, if you needed brain surgery, would you want Maya to do it?! No, you'd want someone who was *more developed* as a brain surgeon. Ok, I admit that's another assumption of mine! On Friday, May 2, 2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 6:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I don't think *thinking things over in the conscious mind* really describes TM! Though it is one possible definition of meditation. According to MMY, TM is based on thinking - anyone who can think can meditate. So, everyone is already

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread Rick Archer
Last night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and LOVED it. Didn’t disagree with anything I’ve read so far. I’m taking notes and will post them for discussion later on. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
Richard, belly flop is a really good analogy imo. And I also agree with you that everyone transcends even without a technique. I know you've said it before, but this time it hit me just right. Thanks. On Friday, May 2, 2014 10:00 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:   On

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
I'd like to know how Curtis does this dive deep for samadhi meditation, I have been doing some shikantaza meditation, but I just get vibbed with the bliss I feel after a little while and then get up and go do something else. The bliss starts after about one minute so its like, ok I'm here now

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Rick Archer
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Certainly. Would be as interesting as your interviews over at batgap, putting everyone at sleep. Really Nabby? Have you spoken with “everyone”?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:   Yes, turq, but some hierarchies are useful. NOT if they don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
Curtis, first of all, and maybe I've said it before, but it is simply a pleasure just to read your writing. For one thing, I can follow it pretty easily! I think my favorite line was when you said, ...all my presuppositions will shape everything I conclude. That is a human limitation as well

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'd like to know how Curtis does this dive deep for samadhi meditation, C: It was Barry who described his practice this way. I don't accept the conceptual model of samadhi to describe my meditation experiences anymore. My

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sorta like the way you're trying to barge into a pleasant conversation that doesn't concern you and trying to turn it into an argument of some kind? What a pathetic old hag you are, Judy. And what a phenomenal lack of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:   I'd like to know how Curtis does this dive deep for samadhi meditation, I have been doing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, first of all, and maybe I've said it before, but it is simply a pleasure just to read your writing. For one thing, I can follow it pretty easily! C: Thanks Share, I am enjoying writing here again. Being easy to follow is my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA

2014-05-02 Thread jedi_spock
Capitalism needs to be tweaked. Richard Wolf says that 'centralized state socialism' is as bad as 'centralised state capitalism'. IOW, Crony socialism is as bad as crony capitalism. Crony socialism existed in india, Soviet union, China and large swaths on the globe in the 1950's and 60's.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 6:24 AM, Share Long wrote: And Richard, how can we possibly separate belief and practice completely? I don't think we can simply because we don't live our lives with our heads cut off from our bodies! We cannot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, I doubt that Curtis thinks of you as a previous poster! Want to guess again? I think it was more that Robin was hoping Curtis might call Barry on some of his abusive bullshit when it had something to do with Robin. But

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Bullshit. fuller stages of development is just another hierarchy. Brains functioning in an optimally healthy way is another hierarchy. Both are mere assumptions. I think Share might have pushed Bawee's belly button. From:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
turq, as I've alluded to before with all my talk of MRI machines, I'd like to see science define full development wrt human consciousness. Til then I tend to go by my gut feeling. Which I know can be wrong. But that's part of being human. And life will set me straight one way or the other.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
FWIW, Maharishi said at one point, Bliss isn't blissful. By which he meant, I assume, that to experience blissfulness required some degree of waking-state consciousness. IOW, you wouldn't experience blissfullness in transcendental-consciousness-by-itself--but you would be in a state of bliss by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
And right on cue, the two Robin cultists try to bring him up to derail yet another pleasant discussion. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: I'd like to know how Curtis does

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread krysto
Talk of Sam Harris brings me out of the FFL shadows. Harris is, in my view, one of the clearest and boldest thinkers in the world today. One may disagree with any number of his positions (that radical Islam presents a dire threat to the world, that free will is an illusion, that science

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:   turq, as I've alluded to before with all my talk of MRI machines,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 7:13 AM, Share Long wrote: I agree, Richard that what's needed is to study these different brain states in a scientific way. For one thing, to counter the flood of New Age beliefs that we now deal with in addition to the old age beliefs! That's what I'm saying! A lot of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : And right on cue, the two Robin cultists try to bring him up to derail yet another pleasant discussion. I have yet to experience anything about you, Bawee, that is pleasant. Don't kid yourself. From: awoelflebater@...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Curtis didn't mean me, as it turns out. (I had thought by previous poster he meant someone not involved in the current discussion.) However, I'd been nagging Curtis about not calling Barry on his abusive behavior (as opposed to his perspective) long before Robin ever showed up. ---In

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Last night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and LOVED it. Didn’t disagree with anything I’ve read so far. I’m taking notes and will post them for discussion later on. C: I believe you guys are closer in your conclusions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 6:24 AM, Share Long wrote: R: MMY  has NOTHING to do with their transcending. It's that simple. C: Not that simple since his framework for understanding my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 8:13 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope you're not alluding to me, Curtis, because if you are, this would be a seriously misleading way of putting it. Verging on deceptive, in fact. Curtis is probably alluding to me - I'm the informant that wants answers about the human

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 8:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Right. You just regularly barge into such discussions, announcing that there is no God and that anyone who believes there is is worse than a fool. According to my beliefs, only a God could levitate in front of a crowd of people over a hundred

Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Rules the Earth

2014-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
Seems rather anemic to me. ;-) On 05/01/2014 10:43 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: A true find. Truly mind-boggling to consider that adult human beings actually thought that this was an effective sales presentation. How brainwashed do you have to be to think like that?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
By abusive behavior, I include lying, as Barry does below. I hadn't mentioned Robin when Barry made this post and did so only after Ann did, to exclude Robin. Ann wasn't aware that Curtis's refusal to criticize Barry's behavior was a longstanding bone of contention between us. And she wasn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 8:17 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Nobody ever disputed this point with Barry, including those who believe in determinism. He could never quite understand how someone could believe in determinism and yet continue to act as if they had free will without serious cognitive

[FairfieldLife] CDB's and Sam Harris are practicing transcending MEDITATORs afterall

2014-05-02 Thread dhamiltony2k5
It is wonderful that you are meditating again. -Buck CurtisDeltaBlues [CDB] writes: I've been doing a mindfulness meditation the last month. I think I finally figured it out and how to do it in place of TM. Before the TM machine would just start up, but that is not happening now and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Christopher Hitchens would agree with him if Barry were to say such a thing. Hitchens would */NOT/* agree with Barry that Fred Lenz levitated hundreds of times. That's a dumb thing to say and not even include the quote you're referring to. Go

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 8:45 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Sorta like the way you're trying to barge into a pleasant conversation that doesn't concern you and trying to turn it into an argument of some kind? What a pathetic old hag you are, Judy. So, it's all about Judy. Go figure. --- This email is free

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA

2014-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/01/2014 04:05 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 5/1/2014 1:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The capitalist's party. Corporations now have personhood which means we can arrest them and throw them in prison. So let's arrest Goldman-Sachs to start. Maybe we should arrest Russia and China since

[FairfieldLife] Re: CDB's and Sam Harris are practicing transcending MEDITATORs afterall

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : It is wonderful that you are meditating again. -Buck C: Glad you approve Buck. I am hopeful that you will be equally supportive of my new practice of doing sunyama on the phrase world petulance, suffering and war for a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: What happened here?? Somebody got confused and thought there was such a thing as Buddhism? Everyone on the planet knows that being a Buddhists means the same thing as being non-violent and that Buddhists don't believe in the saving grace of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CDB's and Sam Harris are practicing transcending MEDITATORs afterall

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : It is wonderful that you are meditating again.C: Glad you approve Buck. I am hopeful that you will be equally supportive of my new practice of doing sunyama on the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
So Richard responds to Curtis treating him as if he were an actual human being by retreating into full retard mode again. Interesting. Tropic Thunder (2008) You never go full Retard! Tropic Thunder (2008) You never go full Retard! View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA

2014-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
Have you ever visited any socialist countries? The problem in the US is we have runaway laissez-faire capitalism. Yes, crony socialism is as bad as crony capitalism. in general I am against tyranny of any kind. Of course most of this is of little interest on FFL where the favorite topic is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 9:09 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In that last part he was referring to me because I have stated here on FFL that I practice chi gung, which has nothing to do with religion, nor kung fu for that matter, except that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Turning Firefox 29 into the old Firefox

2014-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
Well of all things Ubuntu updated Firefox to 29. Much ado about nothing. :-D On 04/29/2014 07:27 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Some of you may have noticed that Firefox has updated to a new version with an entirely new look. Personally, I don't like the new look of the tabs, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Turning Firefox 29 into the old Firefox

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
Still no forced update here in the Netherlands, so I'll see what this one has in store. Thanks to Alex for posting the IT hacks article, which I have bookmarked just in case it turns out badly. Not that I expect it to -- Mozilla has higher quality programmers than Yahoo does. Then again, the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Snip Exactly. That is what makes discussions or arguments about *whether* we have free will or not so BORING to me. They're completely unproductive -- a point that can never be proven one way or another. It's as silly as trying to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
I fully agree, Curtis. I admit to having lost much of my interest in Batgap because much of it seemed to me to have devolved into the ostensibly selfless talking endlessly about themselves. But it's a noble effort, and a wonderful collection of data for future social scientists. And this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
turq, whoops, here we go: fully developed human is a person whose brain and body are functioning in a most healthy way where most healthy means optimally conducive to life. On Friday, May 2, 2014 10:34 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:   From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
so how d'ya transcend bliss? On Fri, 5/2/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
Ann, I'd say that many people who are blissed out are simply running too much energy in the upper parts of the body. They could bring it down and ground themselves simply by stomping their feet a few times! Someday, we'll be able to measure all this maybe. On Friday, May 2, 2014 10:31 AM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:   turq, whoops, here we go: fully developed human is a person whose

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
And I find int interesting that some traditions associate bliss w/ lower astral realms when Marshy put such emphasis on the bliss of the Absolute and all that jazz On Fri, 5/2/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. That is what makes discussions or arguments about *whether* we have free will or not so BORING to me. They're completely unproductive -- a point that can never be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:   so how d'ya transcend bliss? Stop regarding it as something to either value, or hold onto. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Share Long
turq, for most healthy way I'd go with the parameters that doctors use such as specific blood pressure, heart rate, etc. For the brain, I'd use parameters that neuroscientists use such as certain brain wave frequency, etc. I don't think these parameters are completely developed, but they're a

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Jackson
having only read some things about Harris, I am nonetheless really looking forward to hearing a BATGAP interview with him - I do hope you do it Rick. On Fri, 5/2/14, kry...@natel.net kry...@natel.net wrote: Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread jedi_spock
Nice to meet you Krysto. Islam sanctions institutionalised slavery. A muslim man can keep any number of non-muslim women as slaves. He can also keep any number of concubines, apart from his 4 wives. Jihadi supremacists are serious about this stupid, unscientific, barbaric religious

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 9:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Love your phrase just another aspect of a multifaceted identity cluster which may or may not be all illusion. That's it. These are excellent points from Curtis and Barry. The problem is that both Buddhism and Hinduism teach that there's no reality to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread authfriend
Comments below... From a sociological POV this question has vast implications, and always has, in how we approach society's sense of justice in our legal system. It wasn't long ago that we hanged an elephant for killing a man. Today we have people on death row who were not mentally able

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Nice to meet you Krysto. Islam sanctions institutionalised slavery. A muslim man can keep any number of non-muslim women as slaves. He can also keep any number of concubines, apart from his 4 wives. Jihadi supremacists are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 9:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: One of the things I reject about almost all forms of spirituality I've encountered is that they're stuck in hierarchical thinking. This is where discussion gets really tricky - /where exactly is the *spirit* in *spirituality*?/ Is it in the object of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 10:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Last night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and LOVED it. Didn’t disagree with anything I’ve read so far. I’m taking notes and will post them for discussion later on. You may find the idea of a nuclear first-strike against Iran to be not

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: my LTE (Letter to the Editor) and Terry Smith's re: Heartland

2014-05-02 Thread Dick Mays
Dearest Bhavani, Here are two good editorials from yesterday's Ledger. Lots of love, Bo Begin forwarded message: From: Bob Klauber rklau...@lisco.com Subject: my LTE and Terry Smith's re: Heartland Date: May 2, 2014 9:33:14 AM CDT Fairfield Ledger, May 1, 2014 Heartland and Being Good

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 5/2/2014 9:45 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: I am open to Maharishi's perspective that in fact I am so habituated from his practice that I am not actually practicing a mindfulness practice at all. But my experience leads me to believe that I am having a different subjective

Re: [FairfieldLife] Turning Firefox 29 into the old Firefox

2014-05-02 Thread Bhairitu
Users can be really pissy about UI changes, especially on mobile apps. There are some changes I want to make to my Android apps but I can just about hear the hackles now. Since I last designed the interface for those Google has added the three bar menu button which I want to use. As I've

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall

2014-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 9:45 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I am open to Maharishi's perspective that in fact I am so habituated from his practice that I am not actually practicing a mindfulness practice at all. But

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