when people didn't respond to his announced enlight-
enmentitudeness the way he wanted them to...
tartbrain:
3) one generally didn't talk about their experiences
outside of the QA with MMY. Progress was being made
was the only important thing. No need to talk about
it or broadcast
turquoiseb:
I *did* experience what I experienced...
Perception is reality?
Not to mention that a gal would have to be a freak
to want to fuck a midget on an antelope skin under
a framed photo of Guru Dev. That's just outrageous
and sick, right?
seventhray1:
You're panting Willy. Slow down.
Wait, I didn't claim to have screwed the Maharishi,
that was
Have you read the book Lawson? Those who haven't
done so sound pretty foolish when trying to dismiss
its credibility.
Lawson:
Unless someone was in the room or took pictures,
there's no way of settling it for sure.
Judith Bourque and Conny Larsson are both liars
and obviously
I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no
need for trying to be sarcastic again.
Rick Archer:
I'll give you a free copy if you'll promise to
read it, cover to cover.
On what page does Judith say that she had sexual
intercourse with the Maharishi?
Maybe she just fantasized that
On what page does Judith say that she had sexual
intercourse with the Maharishi?
Rick Archer:
You don't, because you haven't read the book. You
just babble on about it, making the same idiotic
comments for months on end.
Well, I have never brought up the subject for debate,
but on
Yifu:
The degree of evidence imo doesn't rise to the level
of a criminal conviction...
There is nothing as powerful as the cross-examination,
and since MMY is dead, there will probably never be a
conviction.
But, if Judith wanted to be believed, she would have
revealed the secret BEFORE
IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is
the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore
there's no such thing as the 7th state...
authfriend:
Plus which, as I've always understood it, the whole thing
is a continuum anyway...
This has been pointed out by
curtisdeltablues:
If you read what she said you could determine the
credibility yourself...
Do you have any evidence that MMY actually had sexual
intercourse with Judith, other than what Judith said?
In her book, Judith has no real evidence that she got
anything except a sari or two and
There is another way of teaching...
Bhairitu:
If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on
a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse
to experience it...
Well, I suppose that MMY had that certain something,
in order influence Barry to stay in the TMO for ten
or
If you read what she said you could determine
the credibility yourself...
Lawson:
Someone was in the room with them?
Yes, apparently there was a skin-boy in the living room
and Jemimah Pittman waiting outside the front door. But,
we have not heard from them have we?
I just don't see
emptybill:
You're talking stupid conjecture again Willy.
Well, so nobody made any claims about listening to any
of MMY public recordings, I assumed nobody had ever heard
them. It's just interesting that of all the informants
making claims here, that none of them own a copy of his
records,
When we at the Regional Office would get the latest dictum from
International saying that we had to get all teachers to give back
their copies of tapes X, Y and Z...
So, I'm the only respondent on this forum that has listened to MMY's
commercial recordings on vinyl, cassette, and DVD? Go
IMO, the human physiology is the living system
that reflects the effects of the planets in the
solar system. It is through human consciousness
that we can understand their influences in our
individual lives, physically and psychologically.
From the individual level, we can
Bat Shit Crazy -- What pushes obsession over the line
into true Bat Shit Crazy is the cross-hairs
phenomenon...
It's beginning to look like Judy is starting to get to
Barry, driving him Bat Shit Crazy. LoL
turquoiseb:
I thought I'd take a few moments this morning, seated
at my
seventhray1:
Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding
that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this
quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's
lost his touch.
It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in
authfriend:
You haven't taken this course yet, right, Barry? If that's
because you can't afford it, I'll bet everyone here would
happily make a contribution to your course fee.
It would be a lot cheaper to just rent Barry a movie to
watch on his laptop! LoL!!!
'The Guru'
Jimi Mistry, Heather
.
According to Master Fwap, there are many pseudo-spiritual
teachers and masters who have no idea of what enlightenment
is. They can't even levitate a pencil, much less lay claims
to having endless Divine knowledge, power and freedom...
Read more:
Subject: Fwap!
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups
...they're reluctant to admit their own spiritual
laziness in never having expended the effort to
actually see him live, and I think that they
cling to it because they actually *prefer* the
simplistic, heavily edited, expurgated version
of the man and What he taught.
merudanda:
You
turquoiseb:
Once the first wave of this revisionist history passed, and
the individual teachers and TM Centers realized they'd been
had, they wised up. When we at the Regional Office would get
the latest dictum from International saying that we had to
get all teachers to give back their
Bhairitu:
Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that
somehow to whether the world is going to end..
So, you're thinking that explosives were planted in the
WTC and timed to go off at almost the exact time the
planes hit the WTC? How would anyone know WHEN EXACTLY
the planes would
Not all of Whole Foods organics are modified,
but compared to what you're getting at your
local Safeway, it's pretty organic!
Bhairitu:
The closest grocer is a Knob Hill which is a
Bay Area chain and they have an organic
section...
There's no way to tell if packaged products
But, none of our Texas prairie dogs are GMO,
they are all organic! According to what I've
read almost ALL of your meat sources in CA
are fed with GMO livestock feed! Good luck.
Bhairitu:
How do you know your prairie dogs didn't get
into some PCBs?
Just don't let them out of the
Rick Archer:
Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't
get any dumber:
So, you're thinking that Sarah Palin is the
most important issue in the next election?
Go figure.
But, if I were you and I was worried about
the next election, I'd be worried as hell
that Rick Perry might run for
It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe
nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few
FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios.
Bhairitu:
Boy you have no ability to see the bigger picture, do
you?
To plant hidden explosives inside the WTC, to explode
Bhairitu:
Weiner's wiener is the big distraction now...
So, Weiner's 'wiener' is a distraction from Sarah
Palin? How are you Dems going to win an election
running on that platform, when Palin isn't even
in office?
You need to get some smarts and forget about
the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
something, anything, to eat stored up in your
cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
Bhairitu:
Oh, you forgot the portable potty...
Well, I already have a brick shit-house on my
property
Whole Foods Market carries a full line of
organic produce and meat. That's one of the
reason I'm still living here.
authfriend:
Well, no, it isn't. Whole Foods Market has
around 300 stores across the United States.
There's only one Whole Foods World Headquarters,
the Flagship Store
Is anybody else on an organic diet and if so,
where do you procure your foodstuffs? I'm
pretty sure I'd die if I couldn't eat organic
brown rice every day.
Bhairitu:
Bad news for ya Willy: Whole Foods admits its
organic foods contain genetically modified
ingredients
Not all of
turquoiseb:
Define dharma. Show it to me scientifically. I'll wait.
This is funny - Barry didn't define anything in his original
questions, so now he wants us to define 'dharma', a basic
term used in Hinduism and Buddhism. Come to think of it,
has Barry ever defined anything? Go figure.
Apparently I'm the only one on this forum that
has listened to the complete MMY recordings
from 1967. Go figure.
Hey! Just for the fun of it why not listen to the
recordings, and then post comments on them?
Vaj:
Really immaterial Willy.
MMY began talking about BC years later
Vaj:
Dzogchen is nothing like TM practice...
The central practice of Dzogchen is meditation that is transcendental.
According to Sogyal Rinpoche, a Dzogchen Master, the author of the
'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying', meditation is not really a
practice - meditation is not really something
Robert:
$Stop the War Now!$
So, we are agreed - the U.S. is in a war, and your
solution is to just stop the war. How are you
going to stop the war, without winning the war or
even putting up a fight? Go figure.
FWIW, according to Patañjali, shraddhaa (usually
translated to 'faith') seems to be a /conditio
sine qua non/ for samaadhi...
Well, yes, you have to have a certain amount of faith
that the goal exists: samadhi. We don't know for sure
that a state of samadhi exists, unless we experience
it
whynotnow7:
I wasn't aware that genetically engineered
food has quietly taken over the market. At
the same time, many of the major grocery
chains now carry a very limited selection
of organic produce...
Whole Foods Market carries a full line of
organic produce and meat. That's one of the
Isn't it more accurately summarized as everything
has a physical level, consciousness is correlated
with brain functioning? Metaphysically that's a
big difference...
authfriend:
Correlation does not imply causation. But he was
explicit that consciousness is caused by (is the
?
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date:October 10, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/3qlqdky
Vaj:
I believe it was on the transcripts of one of
the Washington courses that was the first time
most people saw the actual Sanskrit names for
the 7 states.
Apparently I'm the only one on this forum that
has listened to the complete MMY recordings
from 1967. Go figure.
Hey! Just for the fun
Bhairitu:
I bet a lot of people couldn't come up
with the amount of cash for a bi-monthly...
The best way to get health insurance is to
get on a group plan with your employer.
If you are self-employed, you'd have to pay
double FICA taxes AND health insurance.
It's a lot better, in the
raunchydog:
High deductibles are ridiculous. Stop the American military
killing machine and there would be plenty of money for single
payer health care or Medicare for all. Private health insurance
is a scam and Obamacare isn't much better.
How, exactly, is stopping the American killing
Fair comment. So why not just simply tell us? Please try
to use language that even a dolt such as I can understand.
Vaj:
I'm a Mahasandhi (Tib.: Dzogchen) practitioner.
According to Klein, there is a dynamic stillness which,
like meditation, is the central practice of Dzogchen. Trungpa
the Idealist view...
Subject: Analyzing the TMO using the economic
psychology model
Author: WillyTex
Forum: Yahoo! FairfiedfLife
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:20 pm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/273304
Bhairitu:
And what are those jobs you're going to
create?
Most of the new jobs will be in the medical
sector taking care of old people, and high
tech jobs going to young people.
Throughout history, poverty is the normal
condition of man. Advances which permit
this norm to be exceeded-
turquoiseb:
The first: I bailed from the TMO early on, in 1978 or so.
To my memory, at that point Maharishi had not really ever
talked about anything beyond UC,
You must have been asleep!
In this 1967 recording, Mahesh describes how his meditation
can establish higher states of
Wow! Look at all those demons.
Shiva, Parvati and Ganesh are 'demons'?
Yifu:
Some demons not allowed inside the Meenakshi Temple
Usually, in Hindu religions, the Vetalas, Yakshas,
Bhutas and Pishachas, are not depicted in edifice
architecture. The Rakshasas and the Asuras
emptybill:
So he is the guru of you too?
Mriska Hargate!
Guru Pitka is an American who was left at the gates of
an ashram in India as a child and raised by gurus.
Love Guru Trailer:
http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j
Guru Pitka:
http://tinyurl.com/5ttvtvk
According to jyotish, it's not easy to become
a guru.
turquoiseb:
Au contraire, Pierre. If Maharishi could do it,
anyone can do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6_RzkgGYY
Apparently it's much more difficult to actually
provide a link to the Maharishi on YouTube. LoL!!!
According Robert Reich, the Dems you voted for
have dropped the ball on the economy.
Bhairitu:
And the Republicans created the mess in the first
place...
Not according to most U.S. economists!
It's been over two years since the Democrat-led
Senate last passed a budget, a fact that
Apparently it's much more difficult to actually
provide a link to the Maharishi on YouTube. LoL!!!
turquoiseb:
Mike Myers is a better actor, as well as possibly
a more credible guru.
:-)
Maybe so, but just for the record, I love 'charlatans'
like the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Zen
emptybill:
Wow! Look at all those demons.
Shiva, Parvati and Ganesh are 'demons'?
turquoiseb:
My guess is that at least 95% of the people
on the planet who believe that there is no
free will do so because of SOMETHING THEY
WERE TOLD. By the spiritual teacher, scrip-
tures, or religions they grew up with or
adopted later...
99.9% of everything we know, we know
Also, you might try using standard HTML in the rich-text editor.
Xenophaneros Anartaxius:
This is a test of Fairfield Life's Yahoo Groups
Rich Text Editor, to see how it supports
standardised character encoding.
1. Straight Double Quotes (HTML):
2. Straight Double Quotes
I figure the unions have driven many companies to seek
cheap labor overseas. Who wants to pay assembly workers
$30 an hour plus benefits? I think the days of buying
American are over - it's a global economy now.
These are liberals like President Obama at work - there's
no more
emptybill:
One of your friends?
Or is he another one of your gurus?
Guru Pitka is an American who was left at the gates of an ashram in
India as a child and raised by gurus.
Love Guru Trailer:
http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j http://tinyurl.com/67vz5j
Guru Pitka:
http://tinyurl.com/5ttvtvk
Romney is all about job creation and that is what Americans
are going to vote for...
Bhairitu:
Romney will never win as Americans won't vote for a
cult member.
You're not making any sense. What would a candidate's
faith have to do with U.S. job creation?
Under normal
turquoiseb:
My particular confirmation bias, as a firm
believer in Free Will...
Maybe your belief in 'Free Will' is an indicator
that you believe in the 'God of Free Will'. If
anyone had free will, then they would be like
a God, able to change something from one thing
to another thing.
agent, then there is no creator,
only dependent origination. This is basic Buddhism.
Subject: Uncaused Cause
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: December 19, 2001
http://tinyurl.com/4y2bzes
Subject: One of four humans, not counting a dwarf!
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups
On another forum someone posted about today
being a day to celebrate those who fought
for liberty. I replied wars are for profit
and revolutions for liberty...
You sound pretty hopeful, but in the U.S.,
unlike over in Europe, it's usually the taxpayers
who
...I'm on the free will side, but don't
see how the question can be resolved
logically.
turquoiseb:
IMO only those indulging in confirmation bias
believe that ANY philosophical question can be
resolved. :-)
There are millions of proofs for determinism
that can be cited every day
authfriend:
I *understand* that Barry is deathly afraid to read
anything I write (and why), but others here have
answered his questions about free-will-as-illusion as
well, yet he keeps asking the same questions they've
already answered.
Apparently he's also deathly afraid of encountering
Stay away from most popular entertainment. Most
of what passes for legitimate entertainment is
inferior or foolish and only caters to or exploits
people's weaknesses.
turquoiseb:
This sentence has just accurately described all of
the works of William Shakespeare. Just
do.rflex:
It's mainly due to our own actions that
negatively affect nature...
Somebody got really mixed up about karma!
In general, followers of the Buddhism and
many followers of Hinduism traditions consider
the natural laws of causation sufficient to
explain the effects of karma...
In religious terminology, this is called
the will of God...
I'm much more comfortable with a more
Buddhist view of the universe in which
everyone has Free Will...
There are no Buddhists that believe in a
'Free Will' because that would mean that
they ascribe to the 'soul-monad'
authfriend:
Remember the Tea Party guy who famously yelled at his
congressman, Keep your government hands off my Medicare?
That's Barry: Keep your determinist hands off my free will!
Xeno, excellent job of laying things out. I don't think
it'll do any more good than explaining to the
do.rflex:
Paranoid Fox News chief Roger Ailes
Don't you just hate those GOP 'teabaggers'!
Subject: S.C. Teabagger Rally Fizzles
Author: John Manning
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon,
alt.religion, soc.culture.jewish,
alt.atheism, alt.bible.prophecy
Date: May 23, 2011
Bhairitu:
Your tax dollars at work...
Oh my Gawd, a jet plane flew over and disturbed
the liberal hippies in the park on Memorial Day.
This is just outrageous!!!
Police said the gang members are part of a group
of more than 1,000 youths who have used social
media sites like Facebook to
Bhairitu:
On another forum someone posted about today
being a day to celebrate those who fought
for liberty. I replied wars are for profit
and revolutions for liberty...
You sound pretty hopeful, but in the U.S.,
unlike over in Europe, it's usually the taxpayers
who are behind the
On another forum someone posted about today
being a day to celebrate those who fought
for liberty. I replied wars are for profit
and revolutions for liberty...
You sound pretty hopeful, but in the U.S.,
unlike over in Europe, it's usually the taxpayers
who are behind the
turquoiseb:
I have to admit, as a lifelong fan of the cinema, that
some of the best cinema I have been privileged to see
in recent years wasn't in movies per se, but on
television.
Stay away from most popular entertainment. Most of what
passes for legitimate entertainment is inferior or
Beautifull news from Mongolia
Vaj:
The Global Bad News? Other rajas will follow and
have sex with the best of the young women, as a
demonstration of the real Maharishi effect!
Is that a big deal? At least three of your own gurus
apparently had sex with young women. What's up with
that?
Stay away from most popular entertainment. Most
of what passes for legitimate entertainment is
inferior or foolish and only caters to or exploits
people's weaknesses.
turquoiseb:
This sentence has just accurately described all of
the works of William Shakespeare. Just sayin'. :-)
As one who leans toward determinism, I'm pleased to
see such a clear explanation from Harris of why the
standard notion of free will is untenable...
authfriend:
At any rate, terrific find...
Well, this is one thread we probably will not see
Barry responding to. I'm still laughing
...to justify a variety of immoral actions
including having affairs with his students.
Vaj:
Yeah, Baleskar...
Do all of your teachers share this tendency?
Bhairitu:
The beasts hate that and have conspired to drive
people out of their homes so they can buy them for
pennies on the dollar...
So, you've been squatting on the native inhabitants'
land for what, 100 years, and now you think you own
the land that was theirs, and they are the
Vaj:
If Mahesh thinks that he is backed by Shankaracharya,
then what is proper on his part is to tell people to
take initiation from Shankaracharya...
Stupid idiot - ordinary people can't take 'initiation'
from a Shankaracharya, unless they are Brahmins! But,
anyone can take initiation
As I said before, Vaj has never learned, practiced
or taught TM. He also knows nothing about the TM
Sidhis...
turquoiseb:
You forget that I used to work at the Western Regional
Office. At that time (the late 70s), there was no way we
could check whether anyone had learned TM when
feste37:
So, you poison your spiritual teacher, then for
the rest of your life you choose to sit directly
under his portrait, give him credit for everything
you have done and are doing, and thank him by name
after every speech or lecture you make.
Does this scenario make any sense?
Duveyoung:
Vaj has gone toe to toe toe with just about everyone
here and has held his own consistently and courageously,
and he wields logic like a scalpel...
Only if you accept Vaj's premise that of all the
meditation techniques known to man, TM is the only
one that does NOT work. What's
Apparently President Obama's call for Israel to accept
a peace agreement based on the 1967 armistice lines is
not a new proposal - it's the same proposal presented
by Bill Clinton in 2000.
authfriend
Again: NOBODY HAS SUGGESTED RETURNING TO THE 1967 BORDERS
AS A SOLUTION. Not
Well, it looks like Obama wants to return
to the 1949 border lines.
authfriend:
No, it doesn't look like that at all.
yes, it looks like it - but the starting point
for Hamas is that Israel does not exist, so that
would make 1949 the starting point.
The Gaza Strip continued
feste37:
Vaj reminds me of the wacko political right
who will say anything to put their Democratic
enemies in a bad light...
Compared to the left-wing radicals on FFL, Vaj
seems to be pretty mainstream - he can't stand
people who take up for the Islamic terrorists.
Where I come from,
Turquoiseb:
The reality of FFL is that since the beginning of
this posting week, five posters (Judy, Jim, Willytex,
Nabby, and Ravi) have made 62 posts either insulting
me, trying to refute something I said, or otherwise
putting me down...
In 1989, Rama justified to the disciples his
You do know that before Israel was founded that Jews
and Palestinians lived side by side in peace?
authfriend:
In any case, nobody has suggested returning to the
1967 borders as a solution. That's just a blatant,
deliberate falsehood.
Apparently President Obama's call for Israel to
As usual, you just make these things up,
and quote them as if they are facts. Then
when confronted on your statements, you
run away like a little girl and never
respond when criticized...
sparaig:
Its a bit silly for Vaj to say these things
since BalRaj Maharishi's picture is
The same way you know that Maharishi poisoned
Guru Dev, which I have already pointed out
previously is a lie.
Vaj:
Actually I said he was a leading suspect.
MMY being a leading suspect in the death of a
Shankaracharya would have been mentioned in the
Indian Press, right?
To the
Follow him and be free.
Vaj:
That'll be $49.95.
What happens to all the money?
And they thought Bush was ignorant.
Royal Flush!
http://tinyurl.com/3d84jqd http://tinyurl.com/3d84jqd
Well, it looks like Obama wants to return
to the 1949 border lines.
authfriend:
No, it doesn't look like that at all.
yes, it looks like it - but the starting point
for Hamas is that Israel does not exist, so that
would make 1949 the starting point. Get some
smarts, Judy. Until the
emptybill:
Thermo-nuclear warefare is their destiny and their end...
It would be suicide for Israel to return to the 1967
armistice between Jordan and Israel in order to support a
two-state solution. Such borders would be indefensible
and would lead to the destruction of Israel and
TurquoiseB:
Richard Williams, the troll from Texas, picked
up the same mindset from her and has been doing
the same thing, for almost as long...
Actually, I've been criticising you only since you
called me a 'troll from Texas', and showed everyone
your petty prejudices based on a
It would be suicide for Israel to return to the 1967
armistice between Jordan and Israel in order to support
a two-state solution. Such borders would be indefensible
and would lead to the destruction of Israel and millions
of Jews. Can you say never again?
authfriend:
From a
History is clear, nations are built on war, with
a strong army and war comes prosperity...
Bhairitu:
So there is big money in the legal murder business,
eh?
So, you're a radical extremist with a penchant for
conspiracy theories? Based on what you've just
written, the Cain/Palin
farm, so
Barry can henceforth call me 'WillyCal', if it
makes him feel better to dehumanize me. LoL!
WillyTex -- Emerges from the Bardo to find
himself still in Texas. Nothing has changed.
Nothing will ever change.
Duveyoung:
Tell me I'm wrong, I dares ya!
It would be an enormous relief if the recent attacks on the science
of global warming actually indicated that we do not face an
unimaginable calamity requiring large-scale, preventive measures
to protect human civilization as we know it. - Al Gore
do.rflex:
Tzipi Livni, leader of Israel's opposition
Kadima party, also backed Mr Obama's two-state
solution...
In reality, it would be a three-state solution:
Gaza, West Bank, and Israel. What would you do,
build a road with walls on either side to connect
the West Bank to Gaza? Go
You sound pretty guilty - of joining a religion
- and you're not elite enough from being considered
part of the masses! It sounds like you're the one
that doesn't understand religious mind control!
Bhairitu:
What religion would that be?
Hinduism.
So, what happens to all the money
They want my head on a pike for eternity! Bastards...!
Sal:
Well said Curtis
Don't you just hate those Milanarians and dooms-day
fanatics!
Less than 10 years. That, Gore warns, is all the time
that leading scientists say we may have before we
cross a point of no return -- unless we
Bhairitu:
BTW, did you hear the one that the reason Obama hasn't
been seen pinning medals on the SEALs...
Why pin medals on people if you are going to charge
the same outfit with torture for getting the information
that bin Laden was in Pakiistan, leading to his killing by
U.S. Forces?
What religion would that be?
Hinduism.
Bhairitu:
Better brush up on reading the Gita again...
Cut the bullshit - everyone knows that Hinduism
is a religion and tantra is a Hindu cult. You're
guilty - just admit it!
What money?
All the money he sends to his wife and kids and
If you want to return to 1967 borders, why not
give the Golan Heights, the West Bank and
Jerusalem back to Jordan...
You do know that before Israel was founded that
Jews and Palestinians lived side by side in peace?
authfriend:
In any case, nobody has suggested returning to
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