[FairfieldLife] TV for FFLers -- Your Weekly Woo Woo
Hey, don't blame me. I'm just passing along the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gx3yEarY8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gx3yEarY8
[FairfieldLife] I Love Because I Love
Every man or woman loves differently and uniquely and each of us holds different dreams and hopes and falls in love or is the object of love but unrequainted love can be the most difficult of all to endure - http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/category/love-and-friendship/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Love Because I Love
I think you meant to write unrequited. Is this the quote that Sathya Sai Baba used to excuse his pedophilia and child molestation? Was he unable to endure that unrequited love? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Every man or woman loves differently and uniquely and each of us holds different dreams and hopes and falls in love or is the object of love but unrequainted love can be the most difficult of all to endure - http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/category/love-and-friendship/ http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/category/love-and-friendship/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV for FFLers -- Your Weekly Woo Woo
turq, thanks for weekly woo woo. John, the astrology info right at the beginning is actually pretty good, even though she is speaking about (gasp) Western astrology. I got a lot out of her explanation about Pluto, Venus and Uranus, especially as related to the chakras. On Friday, November 15, 2013 2:12 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, don't blame me. I'm just passing along the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gx3yEarY8
RE: RE: Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Thanks, Emily, I think it's a great gift from life to be devoted, like how you're devoted to your daughters. Everyone here is devoted to someone or something. As for me, I'm not devoted to Amma nor even to Maharishi. As I get older, the object of my devotion has become well, less of an object. Hard to put into words without sounding corny, but here goes: When life itself has become the Beloved one falls in love at every moment sometimes even kicking and screaming a funny kind of ecstasy a fierce kind of embrace. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: You sound like a devotee. Read the book Share. It is a very interesting book and includes a lot of detail on what it was like to live in India re: the culture, her journey, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have spent time with her? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] spirituality of self.
But, is there etiquette at tea parties? Do tea-party-iers have a decorum to get along when tea-partiests have tea party meetings to organize the party? “All for one, one for all?”. Like the musketeers of old? People don't need no stinking government... or a movement neither? How do they get along? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24908751 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24908751 Everyone should be for themselves? Together? No guidelines for FFL? What is an out-law to a tea-party-ist? Did Danial Boone have a family? You know, was he also a family man? Did he get along with people in some form or was it all 'rip-off or be ripped-off' on the frontier? Is there a place to fight for moderation? Like on FFL? http://earlydues.usanethosting.com/ieel/netiquette.htm#tips http://earlydues.usanethosting.com/ieel/netiquette.htm#tips -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality of self.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Did Danial Boone have a family? You know, was he also a family man? Did he get along with people in some form or was it all 'rip-off or be ripped-off' on the frontier? Are you implying that ole Dan'l wore a con-skin cap? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Shankara asserts that samâdhi (transcendence) is not enough
When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the Brahmasutrabhasya he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (mithyajana) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita Vedanta By Michael Comans, Ph.D.
[FairfieldLife] RE: spirituality of self.
Axe-holes and con-skins. We certainly are creating our own culture here at FFL. What next, intellectual vibe-wation if Share is to be believed. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Did Danial Boone have a family? You know, was he also a family man? Did he get along with people in some form or was it all 'rip-off or be ripped-off' on the frontier? Are you implying that ole Dan'l wore a con-skin cap? :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV for FFLers -- Your Weekly Woo Woo
This woman needs to work on her throat chakra - that voice of hers is really annoying. She also needs to calm down, she appears very stimulated. I got about 25 seconds into this thing but thanks... maybe the woo woo came later. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Hey, don't blame me. I'm just passing along the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gx3yEarY8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gx3yEarY8
[FairfieldLife] RE: Shankara asserts that samâdhi (transcendence) is not enough
So you know, I think Share has gotten to me with all this stimulation talk. I actually read your Brahmasutrabhasya as a play on the world Brah masturbation. Lord help me. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the Brahmasutrabhasya he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (mithyajana) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita Vedanta By Michael Comans, Ph.D.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Aww, poor sport and a monstrous hypocrite not to mention blind - that Barry is. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
[FairfieldLife] Andy Kaufman's brother says he is victim of hoax - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/14/showbiz/andy-kaufman-alive-or-not/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shankara asserts that samâdhi (transcendence) is not enough
emptybill, what this brings to mind for me is how Maharishi calls knowledge the greatest purifier and also that the final stroke of enlightenment is, to paraphrase, an intellectual discernment. He also wisely said, and again I'm paraphrasing, that we need to go at it from all angles. I interpret that to mean that just transcending is not enough to attain full realization. And even Maharishi cautioned people to get rid of their bad habits before CC because afterwards, again paraphrasing, they would simply witness them. On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:03 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the Brahmasutrabhasya he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (mithyajana) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita VedantaBy Michael Comans, Ph.D.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Thanks, Ann, the *quote* is a poem I wrote along with the post this morning. Yes, it means devoted to life, specifically and generally. Well, if people aren't devoted to someone or something, then I wish that for them, if they want that in their lives. On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:02 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Emily, I think it's a great gift from life to be devoted, like how you're devoted to your daughters. You are assuming something about Emily's form of devotion. She may not even call it that. Everyone here is devoted to someone or something. How do you know that? What is Robin devoted to? What is Judy devoted to? What is Willy-less devoted to? What is Raunchy devoted to? As for me, I'm not devoted to Amma nor even to Maharishi. As I get older, the object of my devotion has become well, less of an object. Hard to put into words without sounding corny, but here goes: When life itself has become the Beloved one falls in love at every moment sometimes even kicking and screaming a funny kind of ecstasy a fierce kind of embrace. Nice quote, who's that by? Does it mean you are devoted to life? To change? To what aspects of life, all of them? Some of them? Your life or life in general? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: You sound like a devotee. Read the book Share. It is a very interesting book and includes a lot of detail on what it was like to live in India re: the culture, her journey, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
turq, that Puritanical, anti-body, anti-life streak runs so deep in some of us and goes back way farther than the Puritans. Notice how often FFL posters try to shame their enemies with sexual references. It's insidious to a horrifying degree. Ha, I'm on a mission now! On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Shankara asserts that samâdhi (transcendence) is not enough
Ann, maybe you just need to let your husband take off his apron and abandon the kitchen for a month or so. God helps them who helps themselves (-: On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: So you know, I think Share has gotten to me with all this stimulation talk. I actually read your Brahmasutrabhasya as a play on the world Brah masturbation. Lord help me. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the Brahmasutrabhasya he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (mithyajana) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita VedantaBy Michael Comans, Ph.D.
Re: [FairfieldLife] spirituality of self.
So many questions, Buck; so few answers. On 11/15/2013 6:47 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: But, is there etiquette at tea parties? Do tea-party-iers have a decorum to get along when tea-partiests have tea party meetings to organize the party? “All for one, one for all?”. Like the musketeers of old? People don't need no stinking government... or a movement neither? How do they get along? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24908751 Everyone should be for themselves? Together? No guidelines for FFL? What is an out-law to a tea-party-ist? Did Danial Boone have a family? You know, was he also a family man? Did he get along with people in some form or was it all 'rip-off or be ripped-off' on the frontier? Is there a place to fight for moderation? Like on FFL? http://earlydues.usanethosting.com/ieel/netiquette.htm#tips -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: turq, that Puritanical, anti-body, anti-life streak runs so deep in some of us and goes back way farther than the Puritans. Notice how often FFL posters try to shame their enemies with sexual references. It's insidious to a horrifying degree. Ha, I'm on a mission now! I've always assumed that for the people who do this, it's just been so long since any of them have ever *had* sex of any kind that their only ideas of it are shameful. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Grab a draft copy of the TPP
Corpricans, Share, Corpricans NOT Capricorns. Corprica is the evil empire of mega corporations running the world through corporatocracy or maybe corporatocrazy. On 11/14/2013 09:22 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, whatcha got against Capricorns?! Anyway, strange bedfellows being created: Hollywood/recording entertainment industries and Big Pharma?! On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:14 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Another article on the situation and what Herr Obama is pushing: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/14/wikileaks-reveals-secret-trade-agreement-that-could-crack-down-on-web-freedom/ We must rise up and fight the war against the Corpricans! On 11/14/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting noozguru, esp the HuffPost article. Are we all getting punch drunk with these repeated attacks on our privacy and freedom of speech? BTW, I could see Elizabeth Warren riding to political stardom on this issue if she follows up. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Wikileaks has posted a draft version of the highly secret Trans-Pacific Partnership. Our pretentious corporate puppets want to pass this legislation without Congress even being able to see it. We need to stop this or live as slaves the rest of our lives. What is wrong with these people that they think it is a good idea. It is NAFTA on steroids. http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/ RT has posted it as a Scribd downloadable PDF. Alan Grayson on the TPP: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Shankara asserts that samâdhi (transcendence) is not enough
It sure didn't take long for this thread to go from discussing the importance of samadhi in Shankara's classical Advaita Vedanta down to the gutter level. People usually have to go to bowling alley to hear this kind of work-a-day language. Good work, Ann! This will show the mime who is talking. LoL! On 11/15/2013 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: So you know, I think Share has gotten to me with all this stimulation talk. I actually read your Brahmasutrabhasya as a play on the world Brah masturbation. Lord help me. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the /Brahmasutrabhasya/ he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (/mithyajana/) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. /The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita Vedanta//By Michael Comans, Ph.D./
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Careful, Share, Barry isn't likely to keep defending you if you criticize the tactics he uses against his enemies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, that Puritanical, anti-body, anti-life streak runs so deep in some of us and goes back way farther than the Puritans. Notice how often FFL posters try to shame their enemies with sexual references. It's insidious to a horrifying degree. Ha, I'm on a mission now! On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] I Love Because I Love
Martin, thank you so much for posting this beautiful and thought provoking essay. The thing is, there is complete love everywhere and if we can experience that, then we don't need to *get* love from anyone or anything. In some ways, it is the ultimate liberation. Anyway, for me it's a journey worthy of one or more lifetimes. On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:11 AM, martin.quick...@yahoo.co.uk martin.quick...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Every man or woman loves differently and uniquely and each of us holds different dreams and hopes and falls in love or is the object of love but unrequainted love can be the most difficult of all to endure - http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/category/love-and-friendship/
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Shankara asserts that samâdh i (transcendence) is not enough
Ann, you *are* so funny. I am laughing up a storm over here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: So you know, I think Share has gotten to me with all this stimulation talk. I actually read your Brahmasutrabhasya as a play on the world Brah masturbation. Lord help me. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the Brahmasutrabhasya he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (mithyajana) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita Vedanta By Michael Comans, Ph.D.
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
So you're saying Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to you from August was positive and that I'm mistaken to think it was negative? Do you think he's changed his mind about you? (BTW, I don't believe in the original version of the story that the beautiful, young girl was drowning. In the original version, she was just standing by the river helplessly, unable to cross. If the old monk had saved her life, it wouldn't have made much sense for the young monk to feel the old monk had done something wrong. Whoever added the drowning bit obviously missed the whole point of the story.) Share persisted nonsensically: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Well, I think it's simply that we stimulate Share - a little intellectual foreplay before she engages in her non-O techniques. She could be looking at Playboy or Playgirl, but we get the job done faster. I mean, she replied to me with the most lovely poem as evidence, no? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! Since we segued into this stream of thought via the issue of feminism, isn't it interesting to note the sexism in the story? One of the guys looked at the person needing to cross the river and saw only a person, with a need. He stepped in and filled that need, and then wandered on, the event forgotten. The other guy carried the girl for quite a while (according to the original tale), and got his monk's robes all in a twist because another monk had touched a spit girl. I ask you, which of these guys acted in a manner that indicated more respect for women? The guy who believes that -- being female -- she carries some kind of weird monk cooties that will infect you and lure you off the path, or the guy who just gave her a ride across the river, and then left her on the other side? On another level, it's an interesting tale to examine from the point of view of another -ism. As has been pointed out, the girl is young, and thus potentially hot. What if she'd have been an old woman? Would the second monk still have gotten his robes in a twist? If not, why not? Then again, if the person getting a piggyback ride had been an old woman, this story would probably never have been remarked on, and thus probably never repeated enough times to become the spiritual staple it has. It's the fact that it's a *young* woman that drives the story. How ageist is that? :-)
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shankara asserts that sam âdhi (transcendence) is not enough
Athe final stroke of enlightenment is intellectual discernment. Yes, baby, yes, go at it from all angles. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: emptybill, what this brings to mind for me is how Maharishi calls knowledge the greatest purifier and also that the final stroke of enlightenment is, to paraphrase, an intellectual discernment. He also wisely said, and again I'm paraphrasing, that we need to go at it from all angles. I interpret that to mean that just transcending is not enough to attain full realization. And even Maharishi cautioned people to get rid of their bad habits before CC because afterwards, again paraphrasing, they would simply witness them. On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:03 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the Brahmasutrabhasya he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (mithyajana) has not been removed. It is evident from this brief statement that Sankara does not consider the attainment of samadhi to be a sufficient cause to eradicate false knowledge, and, according to Sankara, since false knowledge is the cause of bondage, samadhi cannot therefore be the cause of liberation. The Question of the Importance of Samadhi in Modern and Classical Advaita Vedanta By Michael Comans, Ph.D.
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
I'm sure she'd be happy to write a poem for Barry and/or Willytex if they wanted her to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Well, I think it's simply that we stimulate Share - a little intellectual foreplay before she engages in her non-O techniques. She could be looking at Playboy or Playgirl, but we get the job done faster. I mean, she replied to me with the most lovely poem as evidence, no? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Reading this post of Barry's for a second time, I see a few things that need to be remarked on: (snip) Barry wrote: The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. Actually, Barry has been accusing his female critics of (as opposed to calling them on) being faux feminists since long before Share ever showed up here. Not only that, they'd been criticizing Share for quite some time before Barry accused one of them (i.e., Judy) of being a faux feminist a couple days ago. So Barry has it wrong in both directions. It's also a little peculiar--even overlooking the above mistakes--that he would think being accused of being a faux feminist would inspire his critics to criticize another woman. That almost sounds like the kind of addled connection Share would make. And goodness knows, Barry had been calling his critics Mean Girls for quite some time before accusing one of them of being a faux feminist the other day. So that must mean that before he did so, he wasn't sure which of his critics fell into the Mean Girl category and which didn't. Curiouser and curiouser... This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. I'm not at all sure where Barry got the idea that real feminists would never criticize another woman. (If that's the case, Share must not be a real feminist either. It also means that Barry certainly can't claim to be a real feminist.) Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me. So instead of interacting with us, she should pretend not to read our posts and just attack us constantly the way Barry does?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Officially the best flashmob event ever :-)
Here, this is for you Barry.smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.htmlhttp://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Barry wrote: Since we segued into this stream of thought via the issue of feminism, Actually, we didn't; you did, via the post I just commented on. Feminism hadn't had anything to do with the thread until you brought it up. (snip) I ask you, which of these guys acted in a manner that indicated more respect for women? The guy who believes that -- being female -- she carries some kind of weird monk cooties that will infect you and lure you off the path, or the guy who just gave her a ride across the river, and then left her on the other side? The young monk (this is a Buddhist tale, BTW, so presumably he's a Buddhist monk) is concerned about the monkish vows never to touch women that he and his companion had taken. How come Buddhism has such a fear of female cooties? (snip) Then again, if the person getting a piggyback ride had been an old woman, this story would probably never have been remarked on, and thus probably never repeated enough times to become the spiritual staple it has. It's the fact that it's a *young* woman that drives the story. How ageist is that? Um, as ageist as your repeated insults about their age to your critics who happen to be older women?
[FairfieldLife] Are there any TMers on this list?
Of course in reality, there's no such thing as TM or a TMer - those are probably just an acronyms made up by a SIMS director and a newsgroup pundit, probably Lon P. Stacks (RIP), who thought he was being smart and amusing. So what, exactly, is TM and TMer? It has already been established that the TM bija mantra is a non-ideational mnemonic device used for transcending; it is thus a thought tool for experiencing subtler states or levels of conciousness, and is in fact, the 'key' device for unlocking the toolbox itself, wherein lies a matrix of other mental tools which can provide a whole spectrum of conciousness beyond our everyday physical world of name and form. So, let's review the definition of TM given by MMY and then let's determine what, and who is, a TMer. Short definition of TM: A Wakeful Hypometabolic Physiologic State. Are we agreed so far? Medium definition of TM: TM is the regular passing of the attention from one state of conciousness to the another, subtler state, a process which enables transcendental consciousness to be maintained even during activity; first at a very subtle level, and later in all the gross activities of everyday life, so that unity conciousness may eventually become permanent. In this way tm, which is a specific type of practice, presents the most effective working tool for the two spheres of life. http://www.alltm.org/pages/lkweekend.html Longer definition of TM: Transcendental Meditation is something that can be defined as a means to do what one wants to do in a better way, in a right way, for maximum results. It's a program that the mind begins to experience its own finer impressions, finer thoughts, and then finally transcends the finest thought and gets to the level of what they call self-referral pure consciousness, which is the ultimate reality of life, pure intelligence. From where the creation emerges. From where the administration of life is maintained. From where physical expression of the universe has its basis. - MMY (May 12, 2002) Read more: 'There are no TMers on this list' https://groups.google.com/forum/alt.meditation.transcendental/netiquette/https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.meditation.transcendental/netiquette/alt.meditation.transcendental/oFYJK2jhSdM/pc-7Rijv9q8J Next: So what, exactly, is a TMer? Notes: In reality, I'm the only person who actually admits to being a TMer - I'm still on the program. That would exclude almost everyone else posting here, since they went over to another saint years ago to practice sewing. Go figure. The real question is - why would anyone be concerned about who is and who is not, a TMer? That's addressing the important issue! So, I wasn't the first person on the internet or the first on this forum to use the term TMer. But ever since I first saw it used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of Barry2 was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Officially the best flashmob event ever :-)
Ooh, super! Love the lyrics (I might be cheap, but I ain't free). And this: No more loving like crazy No more chicken and gravy I ain't gonna have your baby! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Here, this is for you Barry.smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.htmlhttp://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html
RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Barry wrote: Since we segued into this stream of thought via the issue of feminism, Actually, we didn't; you did, via the post I just commented on. Feminism hadn't had anything to do with the thread until you brought it up. I noticed that. Guess he was just trying to keep the focus on himself. Barry talking about feminism goes hand in hand with Share's nod to John Gray, who I've always considered a chauvinist. As an aside that doesn't relate, I didn't realize until today his connection to Maharishi. (snip) I ask you, which of these guys acted in a manner that indicated more respect for women? The guy who believes that -- being female -- she carries some kind of weird monk cooties that will infect you and lure you off the path, or the guy who just gave her a ride across the river, and then left her on the other side? The young monk (this is a Buddhist tale, BTW, so presumably he's a Buddhist monk) is concerned about the monkish vows never to touch women that he and his companion had taken. How come Buddhism has such a fear of female cooties? (snip) Then again, if the person getting a piggyback ride had been an old woman, this story would probably never have been remarked on, and thus probably never repeated enough times to become the spiritual staple it has. It's the fact that it's a *young* woman that drives the story. How ageist is that? Um, as ageist as your repeated insults about their age to your critics who happen to be older women?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Officially the best flashmob event ever :-)
Yes, I got a kick out of the lyrics too and one can dance to that song. modest smile ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Ooh, super! Love the lyrics (I might be cheap, but I ain't free). And this: No more loving like crazy No more chicken and gravy I ain't gonna have your baby! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Here, this is for you Barry.smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.htmlhttp://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shankara asserts that samâdhi (transcendence) is not enough
You've lost them - most people don't know that the Adi Shankara wrote a sub-commentary on Vyasa's Commentary on Yoga Sutras. So, It might be time to review some Indian philosophy: The Shankara Acharya composed the following works: Bhashyas on Brahma Sutras, the Upanishads and the Gita, Viveka Chudamani, Atma Bodha, Ananda Lahari and Soundaryalahari. The philosophy of the Adi Shankara can be summed up in the following phrase: Brahma Satyam Jagat Mithya, Jeevo Brahmaiva Na Aparah. Which, translated reads: Brahman alone is real, this world is unreal; the Jiva is identical with Brahman. Are we agreed so far? However, in the tenth century came one Ramanuja Acharya, the founder of the Sri Vaishnava Sampradaya. Ramanuja was born in 1017 A.D. in the village of Perumbudur, which is about twenty-five miles west of Madras. He an exponent of the Visishtadvaita philosophy, that is, qualified non-dualism. Ramanuja's Ultimate Reality is Sa-visesha, that is, Brahman with attributes. According to Ramanuja, there is a Lord Narayana or a Bhagavan, that is, a Supreme Being; the individual soul is Chit; matter is Achit. Ramanuja composed the Sri Bhashya on Brahma Sutras and the Vedanta Sangraha. Then came one Madhva Acharya, the founder of the Sad Vaishnava Sampradaya. He was born in 1199 A.D. at Velali, two miles from Udipi in the district of South Kanara in South India. Madhva is the exponent of the Dvaita, that is, the dualistic school of philosophy. According to his philosophy, the Supreme Being is Vishnu or Narayana, and there are five real and eternal distinctions, viz., the distinction between the Supreme Being and the individual soul, between spirit and matter, between one Jiva and another Jiva, between the Jiva and matter, and between one piece of matter and another. According to Madhva, the phenomenal world is real and eternal. The came one Vallabha Acharya, the founder of the Pushti Sampradaya. He was born in 1479 A.D. at Champaranya, Raipur, in Madhya Pradesh. Vallabha was the exponent of pure Monism or the Shuddhadvaita school of philosophy. Sri Krishna is Purushottama, that is, the Ultimate Reality and his body consists of Satchidananda. According to Acharya Vallabha the absolute Reality - Parabrahma - is of the nature of saguna and sakar where Ananda or Bliss itself is its form and nature. This is the main basis of Shuddhadvaita Philosophy. Vallabha Acharya composed the Vyasa Sutra Bhashya. Then came one Nimbarka Acharya, of the Kumara Sampradaya. He was born in the modern Murgarapattam in the southern Dravidian province. Nimbarka was the exponent of the Dvaitadvaita, that is, qualified non-dualism. However, nowhere in the scriptures is there any mention of a Nimbarka Sampradaya. Great and eminent authors of scriptures such as Jiva Gosvami have mentioned the names of the prominent acharyas of all the other sapradayas, but they have not mentioned the name of Nimbarka Acarya anywhere. Notes: The scriptures of the six Gosvamis mention the names of Acaryas such as Sri Ramanuja, Sri Madhva, Sri Visnu Svami, Sri Nimbaditya and Sri Vallabha Acarya. If the Nimbarka sampradaya had existed even to a slight extent at that time, then they would most certainly have mentioned the name of Nimbarka Acarya as well. Then came one Gauranga Acharya, founder of the Gaudhya Sampradaya. His guru, Isvara Puri, gave Gauranga (Chaitanya) the ten-lettered Mantra of Lord Krishna. He accepted sannyasa initiation from Kesava Bharati and received the name Sri Krishna Chaitanya. When Chaitanya was in a fit of devotional ecstasy, he jumped into the blue sea at Puri, never to be seen again. Apparently, he imagined that the sea was the Yamuna River and he wanted to join in the frolics of the Gopis of Brindavan. Although in his youth Chaitanya was a reputed scholar, his only known work consists of but ten verses called the Sikshashtaka. On 11/15/2013 8:02 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: When we examine the works of Sankara, however, we find a very sparing use of the word samadhi. In the /Brahmasutrabhasya/ he makes three references to samadhi as a condition of absorption or enstasis. In the first (2.1.9) , he implicitly refutes the idea that samadhi is, of itself, the means for liberation, for he says: Though there is the natural eradication of difference in deep sleep and in samadhi etc., because false knowledge has not been removed, differences occur once again upon waking just like before. What Sankara says is that duality, such as the fundamental distinction between subject and object, is obliterated in deep sleep and in samadhi, as well as in other conditions such as fainting, but duality is only temporarily obliterated for it reappears when one awakes from sleep or regains consciousness after fainting, and it also reappears when the yogin arises from samadhi. The reason why duality persists is because false knowledge (/mithyajana/) has not been removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
What are trying to do, start a cat fight? On 11/15/2013 11:49 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! Since we segued into this stream of thought via the issue of feminism, isn't it interesting to note the sexism in the story? One of the guys looked at the person needing to cross the river and saw only a person, with a need. He stepped in and filled that need, and then wandered on, the event forgotten. The other guy carried the girl for quite a while (according to the original tale), and got his monk's robes all in a twist because another monk had touched a spit girl. I ask you, which of these guys acted in a manner that indicated more respect for women? The guy who believes that -- being female -- she carries some kind of weird monk cooties that will infect you and lure you off the path, or the guy who just gave her a ride across the river, and then left her on the other side? On another level, it's an interesting tale to examine from the point of view of another -ism. As has been pointed out, the girl is young, and thus potentially hot. What if she'd have been an old woman? Would the second monk still have gotten his robes in a twist? If not, why not? Then again, if the person getting a piggyback ride had been an old woman, this story would probably never have been remarked on, and thus probably never repeated enough times to become the spiritual staple it has. It's the fact that it's a *young* woman that drives the story. How ageist is that? :-)
[FairfieldLife] What People Are Doing
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Are there any TMers on this list?
Transcendental Meditation is a registered trademark. To the general public when you say TM in terms of meditation they will know you mean the thing that the Beatles' Maharishi taught. Apply generalities to other meditation practices which of course DO transcend tends to muddy the waters as far as meaning. You're giving TM the Xerox syndrome. On 11/15/2013 11:15 AM, Richard Williams wrote: Of course in reality, there's no such thing as TM or a TMer - those are probably just an acronyms made up by a SIMS director and a newsgroup pundit, probably Lon P. Stacks (RIP), who thought he was being smart and amusing. So what, exactly, is TM and TMer? It has already been established that the TM bija mantra is a non-ideational mnemonic device used for transcending; it is thus a thought tool for experiencing subtler states or levels of conciousness, and is in fact, the 'key' device for unlocking the toolbox itself, wherein lies a matrix of other mental tools which can provide a whole spectrum of conciousness beyond our everyday physical world of name and form. So, let's review the definition of TM given by MMY and then let's determine what, and who is, a TMer. Short definition of TM: A Wakeful Hypometabolic Physiologic State. Are we agreed so far? Medium definition of TM: TM is the regular passing of the attention from one state of conciousness to the another, subtler state, a process which enables transcendental consciousness to be maintained even during activity; first at a very subtle level, and later in all the gross activities of everyday life, so that unity conciousness may eventually become permanent. In this way tm, which is a specific type of practice, presents the most effective working tool for the two spheres of life. http://www.alltm.org/pages/lkweekend.html Longer definition of TM: Transcendental Meditation is something that can be defined as a means to do what one wants to do in a better way, in a right way, for maximum results. It's a program that the mind begins to experience its own finer impressions, finer thoughts, and then finally transcends the finest thought and gets to the level of what they call self-referral pure consciousness, which is the ultimate reality of life, pure intelligence. From where the creation emerges. From where the administration of life is maintained. From where physical expression of the universe has its basis. - MMY (May 12, 2002) Read more: 'There are no TMers on this list' https://groups.google.com/forum/alt.meditation.transcendental/netiquette/ https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21searchin/alt.meditation.transcendental/netiquette/alt.meditation.transcendental/oFYJK2jhSdM/pc-7Rijv9q8J Next: So what, exactly, is a TMer? Notes: In reality, I'm the only person who actually admits to being a TMer - I'm still on the program. That would exclude almost everyone else posting here, since they went over to another saint years ago to practice sewing. Go figure. The real question is - why would anyone be concerned about who is and who is not, a TMer? That's addressing the important issue! So, I wasn't the first person on the internet or the first on this forum to use the term TMer. But ever since I first saw it used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of Barry2 was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] All About Shankara
According to what I've read, to Adi Shankara, God, the Supreme Cosmic Spirit or Brahman (pronounced as brahman; nominative singular Brahma, pronounced as brahma, is the One, the whole and the only reality. The transcendental or the Pa-rama-rthika level in which Brahman is the only reality and nothing else. Adi Shankara claims that the world is not absolutely false. It appears false only when compared to Brahman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta
[FairfieldLife] The Way Out of Suffering
However, in this day and age hardly anyone can read and understand the Sanskrit scriptures and there are only a few teachers for the millions of individuals. That being so, the only way that people can reach enlightenment in this age of ignorance is to sit down and relax, trust in your own reason and pursue the path of karma yoga, doing good deeds in this life through actions without attachment to the fruits of those actions. Or, one can accept the religious life serving the Lord (Ishvara). Or, one can adopt the attitude of the skeptic, doubting everything. Or become a nihilist, believing that nothing can be known; not an option. There is very little that we can actually know through our intellect or senses. Most of our knowledge comes through hearing, seeing, or observing, and feeling and we accept these as a valid means of knowledge. Based on sense perception and verbal testimony we observe that the material world exhibits change and growth through change. Based on these observations we note a certain order in creation and we *infer* that there must be an intelligent agent. After all, it is a fact that something does not come out of nothing; only a creation based on intelligence would exhibit an orderly pattern of growth and dissolution repeated over time. According to Vasubandhu, the famous Vajrayana logician and the founder of the Consciousness Only (Yogacara) school in India, we can never know the transcendental state through the intellect (buddhi). This essentially agrees with Immanuel Kant who wrote a Critique on Pure Reason in the nineteenth century. For Vasubandhu, consciousness itself is the Ultimate Reality; but consciousness itself is not composed of things-in-themeselves or discreet elements such as individual soul monads (jivas), or physical matter that is created once in time and then born about and replicated by an outside force or power. There is a reason things happen the way they do; events are caused based on the law of action-reaction. There are no chance events. But, there is a more fundamental question that we must ask ourselves before we can inquire about a valid means of knowledge and the nature of Reality. The question is: are we free or bound? If free, there is no need for scriptures or spiritual teachers. But, if we *are* bound, by what *means* are we to free ourselves? The emphasis in our life should be on the *means* to gain freedom and not the why of our bondage. According to Shakya the Muni, this life is marked by suffering, (samsara). Kapila and Patanjali agree with this. Based on this mark, the historical Buddha formulated an Eightfold Path leading to liberation from the round of becoming. In ancient India this was called Yoga, that is, immortality and freedom, and was developed as a way to free oneself from suffering, not by the grace of a Creator God or through the machinations of a demi-urge, but by the sheer efforts of the individual based on his or her own willpower. The idea that man can liberate himself through his own initiative (yoga) is the great contribution of the sages of Mother India. Yoga Philosophy does not agree with the idea of fate or predestination, rather it is based on volition, action (karma), and the principle that if one person can achieve freedom, then so can another: man is the measure of man. We do not *know* that there is a state of liberation, based on our own individual reason, logic, or on our intellect (buddhi). But, we can observe and conclude by inference, verbal knowledge, and by noticing the actions, or not, of others and by following their instructions.
[FairfieldLife] What I Did Today
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RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Judy, again, you're not making any sense. Where do you get the idea that I thought turq's post was positive? I simply think it's over and done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: So you're saying Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to you from August was positive and that I'm mistaken to think it was negative? Do you think he's changed his mind about you? (BTW, I don't believe in the original version of the story that the beautiful, young girl was drowning. In the original version, she was just standing by the river helplessly, unable to cross. If the old monk had saved her life, it wouldn't have made much sense for the young monk to feel the old monk had done something wrong. Whoever added the drowning bit obviously missed the whole point of the story.) Share persisted nonsensically: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls category are the ones who have been piling on to Share ever since one of them got called on being a faux feminist. That would be Judy, Ann, and Emily. This behavior is about as *anti-feminist* as it gets. Personally I think Share should just write all three of them off as if they don't exist, but she compassionately still interacts with them, as she does with the other attention troll, Willytex. Waste 'o fuckin' time, if you ask me, but so be it, and better her than me.
RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Share, if you'll recall, I suggested to you that you should stop saying You aren't making any sense and say instead, I can't make any sense of what you're saying, because that's more accurate. The parallel is actually quite clear if you take a few minutes to think about it: the old monk did the beautiful, young girl a good turn, but the young monk thought what the old monk had done was shameful. Get it now? (And do you understand why the notion that the beautiful, young girl was drowning completely destroys the point of the story? I'll bet you don't.) Share fumfed:: Judy, again, you're not making any sense. Where do you get the idea that I thought turq's post was positive? I simply think it's over and done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: So you're saying Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to you from August was positive and that I'm mistaken to think it was negative? Do you think he's changed his mind about you? (BTW, I don't believe in the original version of the story that the beautiful, young girl was drowning. In the original version, she was just standing by the river helplessly, unable to cross. If the old monk had saved her life, it wouldn't have made much sense for the young monk to feel the old monk had done something wrong. Whoever added the drowning bit obviously missed the whole point of the story.) Share persisted nonsensically: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in the human race. They don't qualify. Are all the girls here mean BTW? The only ones we can be fairly certain fall into the Mean Girls
Re: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Judy, in my using that story, turq, or more specifically his post is the beautiful, young, girl. You're the young monk still carrying the past event and I'm the old monk who left it at the river. On Friday, November 15, 2013 3:37 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, if you'll recall, I suggested to you that you should stop saying You aren't making any sense and say instead, I can't make any sense of what you're saying, because that's more accurate. The parallel is actually quite clear if you take a few minutes to think about it: the old monk did the beautiful, young girl a good turn, but the young monk thought what the old monk had done was shameful. Get it now? (And do you understand why the notion that the beautiful, young girl was drowning completely destroys the point of the story? I'll bet you don't.) Share fumfed:: Judy, again, you're not making any sense. Where do you get the idea that I thought turq's post was positive? I simply think it's over and done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: So you're saying Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to you from August was positive and that I'm mistaken to think it was negative? Do you think he's changed his mind about you? (BTW, I don't believe in the original version of the story that the beautiful, young girl was drowning. In the original version, she was just standing by the river helplessly, unable to cross. If the old monk had saved her life, it wouldn't have made much sense for the young monk to feel the old monk had done something wrong. Whoever added the drowning bit obviously missed the whole point of the story.) Share persisted nonsensically: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, it is and has been a pleasure for me to read posts from just about all the men on FFL The posts of the MGC? Not so much. Silly me!. Men! Listen up. You are providing a necessary community service when you 'stimulate' Share with your attention and ideas. Keep up the good work. Mean Girls need not apply. Mean Girls need not apply for membership in
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Did Today
There's an app for this: https://twitter.com/ I'm sure everyone on FFL will sign up for your tweets. On 11/15/2013 12:07 PM, Richard Williams wrote: Alright, I'm back on the discussion board; sorry for the delay but I had to go here:: Inline image 1
[FairfieldLife] #5# More Effective Than A Miracle
To Reflect... More Effective Than A Miracle Oh that my ways be steadfast in keeping Your statutes. Then I shall not be put to shame, having my eyes fixed on all Your commandments (Psalms 119:5, 6). It is recorded that Voltaire said: Should I hear about a miracle performed in the market in Paris, in the presence of two thousand people, I would not believe it. Just a fact, even though well presented, is not sufficient to lead someone into the presence of Christ. Far more effective than what we preach is what we live. Far more impressive than telling what God has done in someone's life is to show what He has done in our own lives. Far more productive than to describe the life of a saint is to live a sanctifi ed life in an impure world, without sanctity. I know a man --- he married a primary school friend, and shared a wonderful experience with me. He told me he spoke of many virtues of men of God in the Bible when someone said to him: More surprising than these facts you are talking about is you, who, though living among us, unworthy men, continue to live a pure and sanctified life, without being contaminated by our errors. One of the greatest blessings in our lives is to live daily without having anything to be ashamed of. We know we are not perfect, that we fail, that though we do not want to, we sin. But, we place our lives on the altar of God, and we ask Him to gui de and direct us, that our lives may shine for the glory of His name. Our attitudes speak louder than what we say. Our way of life calls more attention than the powerful sermon at church. Our smile and our love toward our friends leads more people to Jesus than the narrative of a miracle. We are the greatest miracle! Even an unbeliever, like Voltaire, would not be able to resist the power of God and would not be indifferent to what God has done in us. And you? Has your testimony led people to Christ? Paulo Barbosa A blind in internet
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are there any TMers on this list?
TM is not trademarked in the United Kingdom. So, ever since I first saw the term TMer used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of you was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure. So, let's do the math: 1. A TMer practices TM twice a day for twenty minutes. 2. A TMer meditates exactly twenty minutes, no more no less. 3. A TMer always practices TM twice a day, no exceptions. 4. A TMer has always practiced TM every single day since he or she learned TM. 5. A TMer is a TMer if he or she says they are a TMer. On 11/15/2013 1:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Transcendental Meditation is a registered trademark. To the general public when you say TM in terms of meditation they will know you mean the thing that the Beatles' Maharishi taught. Apply generalities to other meditation practices which of course DO transcend tends to muddy the waters as far as meaning. You're giving TM the Xerox syndrome.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Did Today
Later today I drove past this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There's an app for this: https://twitter.com/ I'm sure everyone on FFL will sign up for your tweets. On 11/15/2013 12:07 PM, Richard Williams wrote: Alright, I'm back on the discussion board; sorry for the delay but I had to go here:: [image: Inline image 1]
RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
So now you're saying you rescued Barry's post from drowning and carried it across the river, and I reprimanded you because you vowed never to touch Barry's posts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, in my using that story, turq, or more specifically his post is the beautiful, young, girl. You're the young monk still carrying the past event and I'm the old monk who left it at the river. On Friday, November 15, 2013 3:37 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, if you'll recall, I suggested to you that you should stop saying You aren't making any sense and say instead, I can't make any sense of what you're saying, because that's more accurate. The parallel is actually quite clear if you take a few minutes to think about it: the old monk did the beautiful, young girl a good turn, but the young monk thought what the old monk had done was shameful. Get it now? (And do you understand why the notion that the beautiful, young girl was drowning completely destroys the point of the story? I'll bet you don't.) Share fumfed:: Judy, again, you're not making any sense. Where do you get the idea that I thought turq's post was positive? I simply think it's over and done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: So you're saying Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to you from August was positive and that I'm mistaken to think it was negative? Do you think he's changed his mind about you? (BTW, I don't believe in the original version of the story that the beautiful, young girl was drowning. In the original version, she was just standing by the river helplessly, unable to cross. If the old monk had saved her life, it wouldn't have made much sense for the young monk to feel the old monk had done something wrong. Whoever added the drowning bit obviously missed the whole point of the story.) Share persisted nonsensically: Well, Judy I'm not young and I think I'm cute rather than beautiful. And I'm a pretty good swimmer. You remind me of the young monk who's still holding on to an event that's long passed. Flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Are you thinking of yourself as the beautiful, young girl who was saved from drowning by the old monk? And of Barry as that monk? Just trying to understand how I've reminded you of this story that we've all heard so often, because I can't quite see the connection. I mean, neither of the monks said anything about the beautiful, young girl being stupid (at least not in the standard version of the story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: LOL, Judy, Judy, Judy, you remind me of the story of 2 brahmacharyas who came to a river and saw a beautiful, young girl drowning there. The older of the monks jumped in and carried her to the opposite shore. Then he and the young monk continued their journey. A little later the young monk got upset with the old monk for breaking their vows by touching a woman. The old monk wisely noted that he had left her at the river. But the young monk, who had not touched her at all, was still carrying her. Flow on, Judy, flow on! On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share is so fortunate to have a defender like Barry, isn't she? An Open Message To Share turquoiseb Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:51:44 -0700 SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Obama meets with health insurance CEOs
I can assure you he didn't read them the riot act. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/15/obama-obamacare-health-insurance-ceos/3581067/ He probably discussed what goodies they will have for him when he leaves office.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sat 16-Nov-13 00:15:02 UTC
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/09/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/16/13 00:00:00 566 messages as of (UTC) 11/15/13 23:30:45 80 authfriend 78 Share Long 67 Richard J. Williams 47 awoelflebater 44 s3raphita 42 TurquoiseB 33 Bhairitu 26 emptybill 24 dhamiltony2k5 23 emilymaenot 22 jr_esq 13 sharelong60 11 cardemaister 10 Richard Williams 9 yifuxero 6 merudanda 5 anartaxius 4 doctordumbass 4 Mike Dixon 3 martin.quickman 3 j_alexander_stanley 3 Rick Archer 2 wgm4u 2 Michael Jackson 1 punditster 1 obbajeeba 1 dmevans365 1 Paulo Barbosa 1 Duveyoung Posters: 29 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are there any TMers on this list?
Right; but one can be a TMer without being a TB. Sam Harris on the roots of good and evil. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil ... On the question of whether the butt-bouncers are Buddhists. Most are non-dualists, of which the two major camps are (most of Buddhism); and Saivite (what is called by Westerners Hinduism). Ramana Maharshi was definitely a devotee of Arunachala Shiva but never claimed to be a Hindu. ... In short, the TM - TB butt bouncers are mostly nondualists but not necessarily Buddhists. In order to fit into the latter, one would (also) have to be aligned with some of the Buddhist icons or Yidams. It's safe to say that few TM practitioners are also devoted to Chenrizig, the Green Tara, etc;.and are thus not Buddhists except for the non-dualist part. A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: TM is not trademarked in the United Kingdom. So, ever since I first saw the term TMer used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of you was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure. So, let's do the math: 1. A TMer practices TM twice a day for twenty minutes. 2. A TMer meditates exactly twenty minutes, no more no less. 3. A TMer always practices TM twice a day, no exceptions. 4. A TMer has always practiced TM every single day since he or she learned TM. 5. A TMer is a TMer if he or she says they are a TMer. On 11/15/2013 1:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Transcendental Meditation is a registered trademark. To the general public when you say TM in terms of meditation they will know you mean the thing that the Beatles' Maharishi taught. Apply generalities to other meditation practices which of course DO transcend tends to muddy the waters as far as meaning. You're giving TM the Xerox syndrome.
[FairfieldLife] Resurrection
by El Greco: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Officially the best flashmob event ever :-)
Good one! I ate there a couple of years ago. I'm sure it wasn't the same thing. Just lox and cream cheese on a bagel. On Friday, November 15, 2013 11:33 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I got a kick out of the lyrics too and one can dance to that song. modest smile ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Ooh, super! Love the lyrics (I might be cheap, but I ain't free). And this: No more loving like crazy No more chicken and gravy I ain't gonna have your baby! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Here, this is for you Barry.smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B077Dw_zDe0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama meets with health insurance CEOs
Your not suggesting OMG that's racist! On Friday, November 15, 2013 3:30 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I can assure you he didn't read them the riot act. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/15/obama-obamacare-health-insurance-ceos/3581067/ He probably discussed what goodies they will have for him when he leaves office.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Resurrection
Wrong link, Yifuzero--that's Harris again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote: by El Greco: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil
[FairfieldLife]
...following a recurring role as a female bass player on the popular American sitcom Happy Days, her duet Stumblin' In with Chris Norman reached number 4 in the USA in 1979. Chris Norman Suzi Quatro - Stumblin' In http://youtu.be/iGaF4tKUl0o [image: Inline image 1] Leather Tuscadero (Suzi Quatro) (seasons 5–6; 7 episodes) – Musician; sister of Pinky Tuscadero, and a former juvenile delinquent; formed her own girl group called Leather Tuscadero and the Suedes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Days#Minor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzi_Quatro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Norman
[FairfieldLife] 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock
One of the greatest rock bands of all time. Number 57 on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock. Heart, Canada performed at the first Texxas Jam on July 4 weekend in 1978 in Dallas, Texas, at the Cotton Bowl in front of 100,000 people, along with Aerosmith, Van Halen, Ted Nugent, Journey, Frank Marino, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Head East, and Walter Egan. Heart - Crazy On You (live 1977) HQ http://youtu.be/V44HiAX91Hs [image: Inline image 3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_(band)
[FairfieldLife] Leather Tuscadero
Leather Tuscadero (Suzi Quatro) (seasons 5–6; 7 episodes) – Musician; sister of Pinky Tuscadero, and a former juvenile delinquent; formed her own girl group called Leather Tuscadero and the Suedes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Days#Minor On 11/15/2013 7:30 PM, Richard Williams wrote: ...following a recurring role as a female bass player on the popular American sitcom Happy Days, her duet Stumblin' In with Chris Norman reached number 4 in the USA in 1979. Chris Norman Suzi Quatro - Stumblin' In http://youtu.be/iGaF4tKUl0o Inline image 1 Leather Tuscadero (Suzi Quatro) (seasons 5–6; 7 episodes) – Musician; sister of Pinky Tuscadero, and a former juvenile delinquent; formed her own girl group called Leather Tuscadero and the Suedes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Days#Minor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzi_Quatro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Norman
[FairfieldLife] Troll FAQ
Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
[FairfieldLife] For TMer Adepts
According to Swami Venkatesananda Saraswati, Patanjali included this sutra to show that the yoga philosophy was in full agreement with both Sankhya and Buddhism on the nature of the material world: All is suffering for the wise man (Y.S. 2.15). In Sanskrit the term 'dukkham' means suffering, a universal affliction. This makes sense when you consider whether man is bound or is free. If free, then there's no need for a yoga. If bound, by what means can man free himself? Suffering that has not yet come can be avoided. (Y.S. 2.16) An aggregate of impressions expresses itself in thought: Patanjali, in Yoga Sutras 2.16 and 2.17, says that subliminal intentions bear fruit both in our current lifetime and in potential rebirths. Mental impressions, that is, past actions, mental or physical, thus create a ground on which future impressions of matter take hold to form subliminal intentions. In her astute commentary on Yoga Sutras, which is based on the commentary of Vyasa, Barbara Stoler Miller notes: In Patanjaii's analysis, the aggregate of impressions expresses itself in thought (citta) and action (karma), which account for subconscious predispositions that condition the character and behavior of an individual throughout many reincarnations. Thought and action then become involved in an endless round of reciprocal causality. Actions create memory traces, which fuel the mental processes and are stored in memory that endures through many rebirths. The store of subliminal impressions is obliterated only when the chain of causal relations is broken. Works Cited: 'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali' By Barbara Stoler-Miller, Ph.D. p. 48 'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali' bySwami Venkatesananda http://www.swamivenkatesananda.org/Enlightened http://www.swamivenkatesananda.org/clientuploads/publications_online/Enlightened%20Living%20by%20Swami%20Venkatesananda.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Officially the best flashmob event ever :-)
And we all know that FFL'ers are REALLY interested in flash mobs. Geez, we can barely get them to discuss political issues of the day. They seem to be infinitely stuck in new age seeker mode. :-D PS: Thunderbird's spell checker wants to replace FFL'ers with Shufflers. On 11/15/2013 10:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755319,00.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV for FFLers -- Your Weekly Woo Woo
The FFL Boredom Index hits a new high. :-D On 11/15/2013 12:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Hey, don't blame me. I'm just passing along the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gx3yEarY8
[FairfieldLife] electric morning - Gemini
A new one - applied echo and distortion to two entire tracks, within the mix. Video coming soon - was up in SF today, and taking pictures of this Russian orthodox church's gold dome, on upper Market, and the Golden Gate bridge, in the same shot. A beautiful clear day - Enjoy this one on a crisp morning, with an espresso. 1:58 'electric morning - Gemini' https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog Copyright Temple Dog
[FairfieldLife] Bija Mantras v 20 - A Review
So let's review what we know about the TMer bija mantras: The Sankrit word man in Sanskrit means 'to think' and tra, which means a tool; 'bija' in Sanskrit means a seed. Bija mantras are seed sound used for meditation. So, in TMer practice you just become aware of the seed syllable, experienced just like any other thought; then you add a little fertilizer; then you just water the root and enjoy the fruit. It's not complicated. Are we agreed so far? Maybe the TMer bija mantras were revealed to the rishis by Lord Dhanvantari, then given to Naryana, then to the Acharya Shree and the long line of swamis down to Brahmanand Saraswati. SBS gave all the bija mantras to MMY and then gave one to this fellow. Go figure. Now we can review the purpose of bija mantra: There are several uses of bija mantras: for purification, acquisition, propitiation, or in some cases, for protection. But, according to Brooks, the most noble use of bija mantras is for spontaneous deep meditation. Seed-syllables (bijasaras), are the purest form of mantric sound - they do not make a request or praise a God - they are natures purest expression of Being. Now we can consider the history of bija mantra usage: There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rik Veda - bija mantras came much later during the alchemical phase of the Nath Siddhas, after the rise of Tantric Buddhism. To sum up: Meditation on a bija mantra which consists of 'indestructible seed' syllables rather than words, so the bijas transcend such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra meditation is not merely esoteric, but inherently superior. Vedic mantras are Sanskrit words found in the Vedas. However, bija mantras just seed sounds. They are not meaningless sounds; everything in the cosmos has meaning. But, bija mantras are non-semantic sounds - they are not words found in any standard Sanskrit lexicon. Bija mantras, by definition, are esoteric sound vibrations and Woodroffe says bijas are not words. Works cited: Auspicious Wisdon The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India by Douglas Renfrew Brooks SUNY, 1992 p. 95 'Principles of Tantra' John Woodroffe Ganesh Co., 1953 Read more: Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique... From: Billy Smith Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 You are getting warmer when it comes to understanding TM's origins with your posts regarding the Shankaracharya tradition and its practice of Srividya... From: James Duffy Subject: Re: TM: Siva Sutra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: September 21, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/yjwa2yr
Re: [FairfieldLife] electric morning - Gemini
Sounds more like something to enjoy in the evening as the natives dance around a fire about to sacrifice a virgin. ;-) On 11/15/2013 06:19 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: A new one - applied echo and distortion to two entire tracks, within the mix. Video coming soon - was up in SF today, and taking pictures of this Russian orthodox church's gold dome, on upper Market, and the Golden Gate bridge, in the same shot. A beautiful clear day - Enjoy this one on a crisp morning, with an espresso. 1:58 'electric morning - Gemini' https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog Copyright Temple Dog
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] electric morning - Gemini
Whatever works! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Sounds more like something to enjoy in the evening as the natives dance around a fire about to sacrifice a virgin. ;-) On 11/15/2013 06:19 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: A new one - applied echo and distortion to two entire tracks, within the mix. Video coming soon - was up in SF today, and taking pictures of this Russian orthodox church's gold dome, on upper Market, and the Golden Gate bridge, in the same shot. A beautiful clear day - Enjoy this one on a crisp morning, with an espresso. 1:58 'electric morning - Gemini' https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog Copyright Temple Dog
[FairfieldLife] More About Badrinath
A broad stairway leads up to a tall arched gateway, which is the main entrance. The architecture resembles a Buddhist vihara (temple), with the brightly painted facade also more typical of Buddhism temples. [image: Inline image 1] The main shrine houses the 1 m (3.3 ft) Shaligram (black stone) image of Badrinarayan, housed in a gold canopy, under a Badri Tree. The image of Badari Narayan is armed with Shankh (conch) and Chakra (wheel) in two of his arms in a lifted posture and two arms rested on the lap in Yogamudra posture. Vishnu in the form of Badrinath, is depicted in the temple sitting in padmasana posture. According to the legend, Vishnu was chastised by a sage who saw Vishnu's consort Lakshmi massaging his feet. Vishnu went to Badrinath to perform austerity, meditating for a long time in padmasana. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badrinath_temple
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Yaqui Vastu
The Sanskrit word 'vastu' means a dwelling or house with a corresponding plot of land. The word pertains to construction. Vastu is based in five elements: earth, air, fire, water, and space, all interrelated. Yaqui Vastu involves the awareness of how the ways of construction, orientation, and placement affect our environment and thus our own daily activities and relations. [image: Inline image 1] Wall detail, Mission San José y San Miguel de Aguayo: http://www.nps.gov/saan/planyourvisit/sanjose.htm Following up on the Yaqui Vastu principle of 'non-stressing', we should make a note on the nature of the materials vis a vis the stress factor. It should be obvious that the ideal material for a Yaqui Vastu dwelling would be natural stone. Not stressed stone made by quarry or dressing, but found stones that lay on top of the land. These stones would ideally be found locally (within 10,000 feet of the building site) so as to avoid the stress of transportation whether by truck or rail. Yaqui Vastu can be defined as The skillful use of the best available materials and knowledge in order to create the most suitable conditions for living and working. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, If those houses are not facing east or north, they may not be good for the residents according to MMY's principles of vastu. It's also a good idea to have an atrium in the middle of the house. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: By 6,000 B.C.E. the art of geomacy resulted in the megalith and mound culture of Europe and South India. By 4,000 B.C.E. we see communities emerge, of which the Indus Valley Civilization, with it's planned city streets, being a prime example. In the Fertile Crescent the city states of Mesopotamia arose. Example of Yaqui Vastu House in San Antonio: [image: Inline image 1] Spanish style house at Brenda Gallery: [image: Inline image 2] Spanish Style House: [image: Inline image 3] The Spanish Colonial Revival Style is a United States architectural stylistic movement arising in the early 20th century based on the Spanish Colonial architecture of the Spanish colonization of the Americas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Colonial_Revival_architecture On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, I really like feng shui and knew that it meant wind and water. But I didn't know the other details about that. And I never knew about the role of fire in geomancy. Very fascinating knowledge. Of course the Zone of Tranquility reminds me of the brahmanstan in vastu vidya. On Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... wrote: To the extent that the building embodies meanings conducive to an intellectual vision of the non-duality of principal Unity and manifested multiplicity, it functions as a symbol, that is to say, as a representation of reality on another. The belief that the building is capable of performing this symbolic function is founded on the Indian doctrine that there exists an analogy, or a correspondence between the physical and the metaphysical orders of reality, that the sensible world is a similitude of the intellectual, in such a way that: This world is the image of that, and vice-versa. (Aitareya Aranyaka, VIII.2, Keith) We really like the idea of having an interior courtyard as a zone of tranquility in a Spanish style home. It's like bring the outside into the inside. The outside doesn't have to very fancy, just simple daub and wattle with some Spanish tile. The simple exterior, in keeping with Spanish/Mexican adobe construction of a century ago, gives way to a modern interior, a contemplative courtyard experience centered on the sky and a swimming pool, creating a year-round connection between the home's interior and exterior spaces. *More at HK Associates Inc. Photo: Timmerman Photography.* http://barrio-historico-househttp://mocoloco.com/fresh2/2011/07/24/barrio-historico-house-by-hk-associates-inc.php [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... wrote: Inside the zone of tranquility, there should be a balance between wind and water. The art of Fengshui in its earliest recorded context specifically refers to the School of Forms. Terrestrial features serve to block the wind, which captures qi and scatters it, and channel the waters, which collect qi and store it. Fengshui may literally indicate wind and water, but this is merely shorthand for an environmental policy of hindering the wind and hoarding the waters. The science of Fengshui, therefore is windbreak-watercourse qimancy. The art of Kanyu, on the other hand, the precursor of the Compass School, relies strictly on astrology and numerology as a means of fathoming qi on a cosmic scale. While Fengshui is local, Kanyu is universal. Since the medieval period in China, masters of qimancy
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Footnotation
Chicago manual of style? I trade the Chicago Board but don't know nothing about Chicago writing manuals. That chapter must have been missing from my McGuffey Reader. How do I notate this footnote citation of quoting a passage from a published book which then also includes the text of a footnote as part of what I am quoting too? Jeezus. I want to use this particular passage as a footnote in a paper to submit to a real journal, putting this in small ass fonte as a numbered footnoting appearing later at the bottom of my own paper. A part of the sentence these will come off of is this: ..”still the formative communal reason for either community is more essentially about their spiritual practice, of meditating.” #,# Footnote #1 “Attend strictly to your meetings, for when you are out of meeting, and there is a gift of God administered you lose it, and you do not realize how much you lose in this way. It is the order of God, to attend to your retirements,9 meetings and meals, and not to let trifles hinder you; and when the signal is given, either for retireing time or for meals, drop your work, go into the house and sit down and retire, and have no loud or unnecessary conversation.” (Mother Hannah Kendal) (Roxalana Grosvernor, ed,. Sayings [Pms.], pp. 105, 106-107) [1845] __ 9.“Retirements, “retiring time” refer to times set aside for meditative prayer and reflection, and especially before coming together for common worship. All the above quoted as is comes from the book, The Shakers Two Centuries of Spiritual Reflection, edited by Robley Witson published 1983 by Paulist Press. Page 275 9. also being the footnote printed at the bottom on the same page 275 of the book. WTH? Okay that done, now a second different footnote... footnote #2 “Believers are required by the orders of God, to retire to their rooms in silence for the space of a half an hour, and labor for a sense of the gospel, before attending meeting, ..and none should have any conversation upon anything whatever, neither should they sleep nor idly lounge away the time, or leave the room except it be very necessary.” Excerpt from The People Called Shakers A Search for a Perfect Society by Edward Andrews Dover 1963, Appendices The Millennial Laws Section II Orders Concerning the Spiritual Worship of God, Attending to Meetings c. Page 263 I got to make these look scholar righteous. Anybody help me here? I'd be thankful. -Buck, over his head in something.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
This is an extremely cultish, delusional thinking. Here's an interview of Gail Tredwell on this book - open in Google Chrome for English translation http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have spent time with her? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have spent time with her? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see her (particularly as a hanger-on). Well, I guess I just gave it a review of sorts, but pay no attention. I like stories of people and their lives. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to seeing what the author has to say.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Troll FAQ
Re A TROLL a person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.: Perhaps we need a name for the opposite character. A WUSS - or maybe A WIMP - someone who posts ad hominem attacks to shut down an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
I agree with what you've said except: Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. While I agree that adulation and power are primary with her at this point and she is clearly abusive, I think she is also quite intelligent and exhibits a certain personality profile which has nothing necessarily to do her being a product of her upbringing and literacy. I wouldn't call her culture or values unsophisticated necessarily either. Interestingly, as a woman in the beginning, she was bucking the norm of male gurus. Reading the storyline of how the organization grew from the beginning to where it was at Gail's exit was also quite interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have spent time with her? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
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Hi - by her unsophisticated culture - I meant the male-dominated culture where women are supposed to be deferential to men, women are treated lesser than men, where women are supposed to sacrifice themselves. Amma's behavior towards Gail after she had the hysterectomy was so brutal - extremely cold and callous. Even pigs in factory farms in America may be treated better - I'm exaggerating but you will understand my point. Anyway yeah I agree Amma is very manipulative - so she is psychologically sophisticated in that sense. Yet if not for the power she held over Gail, Gail would have detected it long time back. In fact I could easily empathize with Gail, because I was also subjected to emotional, verbal abuse by my ex (mercifully no physical abuse) who held power over me because I absolutely loved her and was totally vulnerable to her. Anyway it was very distressing to read the book - I was numb for a few days, absolutely shocking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I agree with what you've said except: Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. While I agree that adulation and power are primary with her at this point and she is clearly abusive, I think she is also quite intelligent and exhibits a certain personality profile which has nothing necessarily to do her being a product of her upbringing and literacy. I wouldn't call her culture or values unsophisticated necessarily either. Interestingly, as a woman in the beginning, she was bucking the norm of male gurus. Reading the storyline of how the organization grew from the beginning to where it was at Gail's exit was also quite interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her
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And of course this is very important because Amma somehow champions herself as someone who cares for women and is respected by Western women such. Nothing could be farther from truth. She is no MLK nor can compare herself to any of the activists - that's why the honorary degree she got awarded by SUNY and the Gandhi-King award she received was such a joke, such a sham, a fraud - conning innocent liberals. You can see how Amma is a victim of her village mindset - she systematically abuses Gail. She doesn't care for any physical needs for the women renunciates in her ashram - they are denied proper nutrition, medicines when sick. It's not surprising when you witness Amma's treatement of Gail - if she is so cold and callous twards her personal attendant why would she care about the rest of the women who are at her mercy. Disgusting stuff all this - like I said I was numb for a long time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - by her unsophisticated culture - I meant the male-dominated culture where women are supposed to be deferential to men, women are treated lesser than men, where women are supposed to sacrifice themselves. Amma's behavior towards Gail after she had the hysterectomy was so brutal - extremely cold and callous. Even pigs in factory farms in America may be treated better - I'm exaggerating but you will understand my point. Anyway yeah I agree Amma is very manipulative - so she is psychologically sophisticated in that sense. Yet if not for the power she held over Gail, Gail would have detected it long time back. In fact I could easily empathize with Gail, because I was also subjected to emotional, verbal abuse by my ex (mercifully no physical abuse) who held power over me because I absolutely loved her and was totally vulnerable to her. Anyway it was very distressing to read the book - I was numb for a few days, absolutely shocking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I agree with what you've said except: Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. While I agree that adulation and power are primary with her at this point and she is clearly abusive, I think she is also quite intelligent and exhibits a certain personality profile which has nothing necessarily to do her being a product of her upbringing and literacy. I wouldn't call her culture or values unsophisticated necessarily either. Interestingly, as a woman in the beginning, she was bucking the norm of male gurus. Reading the storyline of how the organization grew from the beginning to where it was at Gail's exit was also quite interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM
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Gail wanted the experience; she was young and searching and exploring the idea of submission and devotion to a guru as a means and path to God. Yes, she fell under Amma's manipulation and power and worked to submit her identity and will and she did lose it for a time and her health in the process, but not quite. The instinct for survival finally kicked in. I couldn't figure out what anyone saw in that video that was posted here by Merdudanda; in my eyes, she sounds like a robot and looked terrible, with bags under her eyes, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - by her unsophisticated culture - I meant the male-dominated culture where women are supposed to be deferential to men, women are treated lesser than men, where women are supposed to sacrifice themselves. Amma's behavior towards Gail after she had the hysterectomy was so brutal - extremely cold and callous. Even pigs in factory farms in America may be treated better - I'm exaggerating but you will understand my point. Anyway yeah I agree Amma is very manipulative - so she is psychologically sophisticated in that sense. Yet if not for the power she held over Gail, Gail would have detected it long time back. In fact I could easily empathize with Gail, because I was also subjected to emotional, verbal abuse by my ex (mercifully no physical abuse) who held power over me because I absolutely loved her and was totally vulnerable to her. Anyway it was very distressing to read the book - I was numb for a few days, absolutely shocking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I agree with what you've said except: Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. While I agree that adulation and power are primary with her at this point and she is clearly abusive, I think she is also quite intelligent and exhibits a certain personality profile which has nothing necessarily to do her being a product of her upbringing and literacy. I wouldn't call her culture or values unsophisticated necessarily either. Interestingly, as a woman in the beginning, she was bucking the norm of male gurus. Reading the storyline of how the organization grew from the beginning to where it was at Gail's exit was also quite interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but
