[FairfieldLife] TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another person in their fold and on the hook. Now that it's finally been revealed that Robin conducted his cult indoctrination/recruitment number not only in public on FFL but individually (via private email), isn't it easier to understand Judy and Ann's near-psychotic devotion to him? Chances are in each of those emails he tailored what he said to each of them differently, playing off of each of their weaknesses and needs to make them feel special, and thus cause them to develop an allegiance with him. According to Judy, he told her he was near suicide several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was tailoring his spiel to her to make her feel special? And, of course, it worked. He probably told different things to Ann to get *her* to feel just as devoted. The thing about Narcissistic Personality Disorder -- ironically, given Judy's hangup about lies and truth -- is that the truly NPD-afflicted personality is *incapable* of truth. EVERYTHING they say is a lie, fabricated in the moment to tailor their spiel to the perceived target they're trying to make feel special. Judy is an easy mark. There has never been a person who CARES more about what other people think of her on FFL than Judy Stein. Almost *all* of her posts are about trying to force other people to see her the way that she sees herself. In other words, she's budding NPD herself. Ann has more than a little attention-seeking driving her as well, so she became another easy mark, even though *her own past history* with the guy should have tipped her off as to how meaningless anything he says to her really is. This is really my only interest in Robin Woolworth's Carlsen. Given my tutelage in NPD, its symptoms, and its unique ways of acting itself out, I nailed him as NPD from his first wall of words solipsistic posts. Had it not been for their weaknesses -- trying to find an ally in their silly war against their enemies here on FFL -- Judy and Ann might have seen these traits as well. But they didn't. Instead, they became followers. And they still are. Between the two of them, they have made 182 posts this posting week, in just over 72 hours, all but a few of them about Robin Carlsen -- trying to defend him, trying to explain his oh-so-fabulous beliefs and theories, trying to get those who don't like him and somehow get other people on the forum to discount what they say. I call this cult behavior, and more specifically, behavior generated as the result of being played by a person suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Judy and Ann are the *victims* here, and as such (and as human beings) deserve our pity. Their *methods*, however, deserve to be pointed out and either made fun of or questioned. They *really can't see*
[FairfieldLife] Re: People are beginning to catch on
Please note that this post was written at 02:01 AM her time. She's *still* up obsessing about Robin Carlsen, and attacking his perceived enemies. Can you say cultist? I think you can... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: So wrong. So wrong. So, so, so wrong. He isn't coming back to FFL, ever, and I respect his decision. As I've told you, Barry, by the time he left he hated the place, just wanted to get out for good, and I can't say as I blame him. It's a shame, because he made significant contributions here--far more significant than anything you've provided in eight years. You and a few others couldn't stand that, couldn't stand the comparison. And you're still obsessing about him, demonizing him, lying about him, nine months later. Talk about unhealthy! You live in your very own bad horror movie, Barry. Really sucks to be you. All because she's still trying to be good little cultist, defending the guy she developed an unhealthy crush on in hopes that he'll come back to FFL and praise her and interact with her again. It's like a bad horror movie...her whole reason for living has degenerated to trying bring about the second coming of Robin. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of activities for adults and kids alike. The people I used to stay with organised a lot of it and were seriously cool and respected other peoples beliefs - including my natural scepticism which was rare in the TMO but they didn't like the emphasis on Indian stuff in the TMO so maybe they are part of a minority ;-). A lot of people weren't like that though and the emphasis was very much on TM conformity to the extent that the directors had spies reporting back to them about people were talking about outside the dome. The TMO is a very insular organisation, you couldn't move there and set up a whole food shop for instance as you would be in competition with the dome shop and would be blacklisted (this happened, I was disgusted) But it is a cult and we shouldn't forget that. There are plenty of funny stories about people trying other techniques and new age beliefs and the response of the TMO but that's life, people experiment and it isn't worth getting upset about. This is interesting: The daughter of my old Geography teacher, Ruth, told me that not long ago a couple of members of the British Humanist Association protested outside the Maharishi school as they were convinced it was teaching creationism because one of the subjects is called the Science of Creative Intelligence (SCI). SCI taught a mixture of Vedic philosophy and lifestyle tools, but steered away from faith and religion of any sort – it was merely the use of the word creative which riled people up. “They said we were being brainwashed, but once we spoke to them, they were really cool, they told us about their practice and it was really interesting. We were going to take the mick and pretend we were all robots.” I wouldn't say they were brainwashed but they were definitely taught a load of shit. And this must have been a pretty poor bunch of humanists not to have spotted that, but then the TMO is always careful to give an acceptable view of their beliefs, they make their crazy kool aid sound almost reasonable. Unified field based education, my arse! I had so many arguments about SCI with people I lost count. The idea is totally without intellectual merit and supporting evidence, and they teach jyotish there! I think lying to children is wrong, I couldn't care less what adults choose to believe but schools should keep it to what is known and why we think that is the case (it's called science). There are so many wonders you can teach in the school day, why waste time with a stupid religious belief from iron age India, mixed up with crap quantum physics and failed sociology? It's the reason I never donated to the school, I just felt sorry for the kids thinking they were learning something in jyotish that would be useful at university studying physics. I did envy the laid back school lifestyle and quiet periods it's a stark contrast to the school I went to. The small class sizes help too and I've met some very cool and well adjusted kids who went there, some of them rejected the TM belief system when they got into the wider world and some didn't. But I do remember a bit of friction between the meddy kids and the locals, but nothing serious or worse than I got from grammar school toff's in my town. It's part of growing up. All in all, Skem is a nice place if you like that sort of thing but it's an ageing community and the youngsters can't wait to leave as there is nothing to do and the best careers will be found away from the depressed north west. Since the vedic village in Rendlesham got built an awful lot of people have moved away, but Skem still has a friendly community feel to it which is all too rare these days. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: This is a fascinating article on the TM community written by a woman who grew up there. It is fascinating to read the article and then read the comments left by readers. Those of you on FFL who are Brits, whaddya think? http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/liverpools-decaying-yogi-commune http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/liverpools-decaying-yogi-commune http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/liverpools-decaying-yogi-commune
[FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
From the answers to the article: Maharishi European Sidhaland https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiEuropeanSidhaland I am sorry the author was set upon by a gang as a teenager in Skem and I'm glad this is no longer such a problem for youngsters here. If the TM community had failed and had 'turned inwards' there would not be so many local families sending their children to the Maharishi school which is now state funded. Over a 1,000 local people would not have learned to meditate. Hundreds of people from around Britain would not be visiting the TM community every year. The TM project is thriving and valued by many. The fact that someone practices Transcendental Meditation is not stamped across one's forehead. People interviewed for the article were not very aware of who was meditating and this indicates how well meditators have integrated. For example recently a councillor asked at a public meeting why there were no Transcendental Meditators attending - when in fact there were several present and one of the speakers was a meditator (me Nicola Escott !). Some years ago the TM development won a hugely prestigious BURA award for good practice in regeneration alongside the developers of Manchester City Centre after the IRA bomb. Yes, Skem has severe problems that need addressing. It's easy to knock it, but the crime rate is actually very low. I moved here in 1980, found Skelmersdale people to be incredibly friendly and warm-hearted and the group TM meditations wonderful.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Durga mantra
Powerful ! Thanks for posting
[FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Yes, the crime rate is so low there's a bulletproof screen in front of the counter at the local supermarket. The TMO used to hire a security guard to stop people's cars being vandalised during group prog. Reassuring to know that the awesome peace creating coherence extended almost to the car park. Skem is a very depressed and largely benefits dependent area with parts you wouldn't want to visit during the day let alone at night. It's a poor health area too which goes hand in hand with poverty. Is crime low? Of course not, but it's no worse than any other similar estate. But the TM part is nice and very middle class, I'm not surprised they won an award when you see the rest of the area. It's also got the only Asda in the country that sells organic lentils! But yep, generally the locals are friendly and accepting of those weird domies. I remember some dissenting voices though from an article about the TMO in the local paper. One guy said You never see them down the pub, they just sit around with their eyes closed all day. What sort of heaven on earth is that? LOL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From the answers to the article: Maharishi European Sidhaland https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiEuropeanSidhaland I am sorry the author was set upon by a gang as a teenager in Skem and I'm glad this is no longer such a problem for youngsters here. If the TM community had failed and had 'turned inwards' there would not be so many local families sending their children to the Maharishi school which is now state funded. Over a 1,000 local people would not have learned to meditate. Hundreds of people from around Britain would not be visiting the TM community every year. The TM project is thriving and valued by many. The fact that someone practices Transcendental Meditation is not stamped across one's forehead. People interviewed for the article were not very aware of who was meditating and this indicates how well meditators have integrated. For example recently a councillor asked at a public meeting why there were no Transcendental Meditators attending - when in fact there were several present and one of the speakers was a meditator (me Nicola Escott !). Some years ago the TM development won a hugely prestigious BURA award for good practice in regeneration alongside the developers of Manchester City Centre after the IRA bomb. Yes, Skem has severe problems that need addressing. It's easy to knock it, but the crime rate is actually very low. I moved here in 1980, found Skelmersdale people to be incredibly friendly and warm-hearted and the group TM meditations wonderful.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Durga mantra
Very peaceful ! Thanks for posting
[FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
You seem to rely on comments from the pub be it in fields of meditation or Crop Circles. Like the Americans say: go figure :-)
[FairfieldLife] TV-inspired rap: Some early Top Of The Lake impressions
Even though I can certainly see why people liked this series -- the acting is good and the plot/mystery is engrossing -- at the same time I see why I intuitively avoided it for so long. It's Jane Campion. She seems unable to make any film without bringing to it a kind of heavy-handed Angry Feminism that winds up permeating the whole work and overshadowing any finer points it might have. She did it with Holy Smoke, she did it with In The Cut, and she's doing it with Top Of The Lake, at least in the first few episodes I've seen so far. In this case, the Angry Feminism (as well as Campion's profound misunderstanding of spiritual groups and the spiritual quest in general) centers on a group of women who have created a kind of mini-ashram near a back-country lake in New Zealand called Paradise. The women are all caricatures of New Age Women, and it's difficult for me to believe that even Campion felt they'd be perceived positively. The only thing that makes their struggling attempts at self-sufficiency more tolerable is that they're set against the everpresent misogyny of New Zealand, something that exists in real life, and is worth pointing out and commenting on negatively. One of my good female friends from the Rama days is now a lawyer working in New Zealand, and she has to deal with this kind of backassward male chauvinist shit every day. The fascinating thing for me is that the leader of this mini-cult, played by Holly Hunter in a long, blond wig, is a dead ringer for someone I know. She was also a student of Rama's, and since his death she has set up shop as a spiritual teacher on her own, with *only* women students. She discourages these women from having any relationships with men, and bases her talks on the evils of The Patrimony and how it has subjugated women for centuries. Angry Feminism, in spades, and of a sort that even Rama would be horrified by. He taught his female students to be self-sufficient *without* the anger, and *without* the scapegoating of men as an excuse for not achieving more in their own lives. Most of his female students, as I've written about on this forum, took his advice and became both happy and successful in their careers (as did my lawyer friend in NZ). Many of them are now millionaires as a result of following his advice. The woman I'm talking about who runs this Gotta Focus On The Evil Patrimony group became a spiritual teacher instead, and is supported by the women she teaches to afix blame and stay angry most of the time. Anyway, in the first two episodes, that's what the group living in Paradise in Top Of The Lake reminds me of, and is thus coloring my appreciation of the series a little negatively. Campion said that she based Holly Hunter's character GJ on UG Krishnamurti, whom she claims to have met before he died. I met him, too, and if Campion perceived him as being like the character she created for Top Of The Lake, we perceived him very, very differently indeed. Partly it's the eerie fact that Holly Hunter's GJ *is* such a dead ringer for the woman who now runs the Angry Feminist mini-cult, partly it's the fact that the same Angry Feminism still seems to permeate this series as it did most of Campion's films since The Piano, but it definitely casts a gloom over the whole series that I don't know if I'm going to be able to get past. I promised myself that I'd be open and try to see in the series all the positive things that other critics and friends have seen, but Campion's heavy-handed I AM *SERIOUS* HERE AND BY GOD *YOU* HAVE TO BE *SERIOUS* TOO bludgeoning is getting in the way of me being able to stay open. The whole thing is making even Scandinavian crime dramas seem light-hearted and fluffy. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of activities for adults and kids alike. The people I used to stay with organised a lot of it and were seriously cool and respected other peoples beliefs - including my natural scepticism which was rare in the TMO but they didn't like the emphasis on Indian stuff in the TMO so maybe they are part of a minority ;-). A lot of people weren't like that though and the emphasis was very much on TM conformity to the extent that the directors had spies reporting back to them about people were talking about outside the dome. The TMO is a very insular organisation, you couldn't move there and set up a whole food shop for instance as you would be in competition with the dome shop and would be blacklisted (this happened, I was disgusted) But it is a cult and we shouldn't forget that. There are plenty of funny stories about people trying other techniques and new age beliefs and the response of the TMO but that's life, people experiment and it isn't worth getting upset about. This is interesting: The daughter of my old Geography teacher, Ruth, told me that not long ago a couple of members of the British Humanist Association protested outside the Maharishi school as they were convinced it was teaching creationism because one of the subjects is called the Science of Creative Intelligence (SCI).SCI taught a mixture of Vedic philosophy and lifestyle tools, but steered away from faith and religion of any sort – it was merely the use of the word creative which riled people up. “They said we were being brainwashed, but once we spoke to them, they were really cool, they told us about their practice and it was really interesting. We were going to take the mick and pretend we were all robots.”I wouldn't say they were brainwashed but they were definitely taught a load of shit. And this must have been a pretty poor bunch of humanists not to have spotted that, but then the TMO is always careful to give an acceptable view of their beliefs, they make their crazy kool aid sound almost reasonable. Unified field based education, my arse!I had so many arguments about SCI with people I lost count. The idea is totally without intellectual merit and supporting evidence, and they teach jyotish there! I think lying to children is wrong, I couldn't care less what adults choose to believe but schools should keep it to what is known and why we think that is the case (it's called science). There are so many wonders you can teach in the school day, why waste time with a stupid religious belief from iron age India, mixed up with crap quantum physics and failed sociology? It's the reason I never donated to the school, I just felt sorry for the kids thinking they were learning something in jyotish that would be useful at university studying physics.I did envy the laid back school lifestyle and quiet periods it's a stark contrast to the school I went to. The small class sizes help too and I've met some very cool and well adjusted kids who went there, some of them rejected the TM belief system when they got into the wider world and some didn't. But I do remember a bit of friction between the meddy kids and the locals, but nothing serious or worse than I got from grammar school toff's in my town. It's part of growing up.All in all, Skem is a nice place if you like that sort of thing but it's an ageing community and the youngsters can't wait to leave as there is nothing to do and the best careers will be found away from the depressed north west. Since the vedic village in Rendlesham got built an awful lot of people have moved away, but Skem still has a friendly community feel to it which is all too rare these days. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: This is a fascinating article on the TM community written by a woman who grew up there. It is fascinating to read the article and then read the comments left by readers. Those of you on FFL who are Brits, whaddya think? http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/liverpools-decaying-yogi-commune
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
Judy, here is what I understand: you used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then you said that Robin said that enlightenment reached via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Are these statements accurate? On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:25 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You're repeating his (or my or Ann's) words out of context and without understanding, Share. You're not really trying to understand; you just want to find a way to bash him. Judy, later Robin said that his state of enlightenment was actually, to use Ann's words, a state of delusion. I'm merely repeating what he himself has said. Or what you and Ann have said that he said. On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Of course you denigrated Robin. Robin claimed he had been enlightened, and you're insisting he wasn't. I've explained why your logic is, to say the least, faulty several times, as has Ann. It really doesn't help your case that you keep repeating your misunderstanding without ever addressing what we've been telling you. Judy, I did not denigrate Robin. I called your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment inaccurate because you said that Robin said that enlightenment, including his, via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Xeno doesn't read the posts he counts here. If he did, he'd realize that most of Barry's posts were thoroughly dishonest attacks on me or Robin; and that in addition to refuting Barry's dishonesty, a substantial number of my posts were dealing with a discussion our Stevie can't seem to let go of in which he is quite idiotically trying to insist Robin and I were deliberately trying to fool people with our irony exchange; plus a bunch from Share attempting to denigrate Robin via her misunderstanding of his views on enlightenment. (Although the two posts he claims had the same title, did not.) Posts from 1 February 2014 to 10 February 2014 4:00pm EST authfriend 143 replies, 4 original posts (although 2 had the same title) turquoiseb 53 replies, 16 original posts
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of activities for adults and kids alike. The people I used to stay with organised a lot of it and were seriously cool and respected other peoples beliefs - including my natural scepticism which was rare in the TMO but they didn't like the emphasis on Indian stuff in the TMO so maybe they are part of a minority ;-). A lot of people weren't like that though and the emphasis was very much on TM conformity to the extent that the directors had spies reporting back to them about people were talking about outside the dome. The TMO is a very insular organisation, you couldn't move there and set up a whole food shop for instance as you would be in competition with the dome shop and would be blacklisted (this happened, I was disgusted) But it is a cult and we shouldn't forget that. There are plenty of funny stories about people trying other techniques and new age beliefs and the response of the TMO but that's life, people experiment and it isn't worth getting upset about. This is interesting: The daughter of my old Geography teacher, Ruth, told me that not long ago a couple of members of the British Humanist Association protested outside the Maharishi school as they were convinced it was teaching creationism because one of the subjects is called the Science of Creative Intelligence (SCI).SCI taught a mixture of Vedic philosophy and lifestyle tools, but steered away from faith and religion of any sort – it was merely the use of the word creative which riled people up. “They said we were being brainwashed, but once we spoke to them, they were really cool, they told us about their practice and it was really interesting. We were going to take the mick and pretend we were all robots.”I wouldn't say they were brainwashed but they were definitely taught a load of shit. And this must have been a pretty poor bunch of humanists not to have spotted that, but then the TMO is always careful to give an acceptable view of their beliefs, they make their crazy kool aid sound almost
[FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Nice summary of real life in Skelmersdale, UK. Thanks for posting that. That reads fair. Life for meditators coming to Fairfield, Iowa was like that too. Was like moving to the Jim-Crow South for the first years as the meditators came to Fairfield, Iowa. TM'ers are much better assimilated now though there can often still seem a quick calculation. Lot more inter-marriage amalgamation between groups now, mixed co-workers, mixed neighborhoods, the civic organizations, elected officials, the bars are often mixed and the coffee shops at times too. Though both communities can still have their bigot extremists and isolationists too. As usual anywhere a lot of things sort out by educational levels and upbringing. But most of the real bigots on either side have died away in time. People generally are pretty nice and pretty well educated. Fairfield's a pretty nice place to live by contrast. -Buck, a native and farm-raised total University of Iowa Iowa meditator. From the answers to the article: Maharishi European Sidhaland https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiEuropeanSidhaland I am sorry the author was set upon by a gang as a teenager in Skem and I'm glad this is no longer such a problem for youngsters here. If the TM community had failed and had 'turned inwards' there would not be so many local families sending their children to the Maharishi school which is now state funded. Over a 1,000 local people would not have learned to meditate. Hundreds of people from around Britain would not be visiting the TM community every year. The TM project is thriving and valued by many. The fact that someone practices Transcendental Meditation is not stamped across one's forehead. People interviewed for the article were not very aware of who was meditating and this indicates how well meditators have integrated. For example recently a councillor asked at a public meeting why there were no Transcendental Meditators attending - when in fact there were several present and one of the speakers was a meditator (me Nicola Escott !). Some years ago the TM development won a hugely prestigious BURA award for good practice in regeneration alongside the developers of Manchester City Centre after the IRA bomb. Yes, Skem has severe problems that need addressing. It's easy to knock it, but the crime rate is actually very low. I moved here in 1980, found Skelmersdale people to be incredibly friendly and warm-hearted and the group TM meditations wonderful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Country Chuckles
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. - Will Rogers On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving. - Will Rogers On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So what was the good catch you said I made, Share? I don't believe you've responded to that question. Keep 'em coming Richard and thank you...
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist who specialized in NPD was in fact in the context of a therapeutic relationship: the therapist was treating Barry for NPD (obviously unsuccessfully). Goodness knows this current post bears all the hallmarks. Talk about making it up as he goes along! (*) The one exception was the whole business about Robin having struck his students. Initially, Robin denied having done so, but the denial was Clintonesque. As he later said, he didn't deny the truth, he denied what he was accused of--having struck his students during seminars. He confessed at considerable length in January 2012 to having done so in private, residental gatherings early in the days of his cult, before he ever gave any seminars. Further, Ann (who is supposedly near-psychotically devoted to Robin) recalled one incident during a seminar in which a participant was apparently struck (LordKnows later confirmed this). Robin had genuinely forgotten the incident, blocked it from his mind because it was so painful. But he didn't contest Ann's recollection. I might also note that Robin's story of his cult days was unsparing in its self-denunciation of how badly he'd behaved and how many people he'd
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of activities for adults and kids alike. The people I used to stay with organised a lot of it and were seriously cool and respected other peoples beliefs - including my natural scepticism which was rare in the TMO but they didn't like the emphasis on Indian stuff in the TMO so maybe they are part of a minority ;-). A lot of people weren't like that though and the emphasis was very much on TM conformity to the extent that the directors had spies reporting back to them about people were talking about outside the dome. The TMO is a very insular organisation, you couldn't move there and set up a whole food shop for instance as you would be in competition with the dome shop and would be blacklisted (this happened, I was disgusted) But it is a cult and we shouldn't forget that. There are plenty of funny stories about people trying other techniques and new age beliefs and the response of the TMO but that's life, people experiment and it isn't worth getting upset about. This is interesting: The daughter of my old Geography teacher, Ruth, told me that not long ago a couple of members of the British Humanist Association protested outside the Maharishi school as they were convinced it was teaching creationism because one of the subjects is called the Science of Creative Intelligence (SCI).SCI taught a mixture of Vedic philosophy and lifestyle tools, but steered away from faith and
[FairfieldLife] Re: People are beginning to catch on
I.e., commenting on Barry's fanatical obsession with Robin. Yes, sometimes I stay up late and have a quick look at FFL before packing it in for the night. This time I found Barry's idiotic post freaking out at the idea that Robin might come back to FFL. I thought I'd relieve his mind by making sure he knew Robin was never coming back. Didn't help, though, because this morning he's still obsessing. Please note that this post was written at 02:01 AM her time. She's *still* up obsessing about Robin Carlsen, and attacking his perceived enemies. Can you say cultist? I think you can...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. What on earth makes you believe that anyone CARES what you think -- about Robin, about them, or about anything else? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel in this post, just as I never bother to read past the first few Message View words of any of your posts. I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both you and Ann have become mono-topical with regard to Robin. Few people ever really gave a shit about Robin anyway, and they *certainly* don't give a shit about your attempts at creating a revisionist history for him. Several people now -- meaning not just me -- have commented on the near-absolute lack of original posts from you. At least one has commented that this latest obsession of yours -- 112 posts in three days, *most* of them rehashing the same old-maid I know him better than you do fantasies about Robin -- is causing them to long for the old Posting Limits. Have you *really* got nothing to talk about except this dweeb who ran away in panic from this forum ten months ago? Do you *really* want to give people the impression that he is pretty much the *only* thing you can come up with to post about other than your obsession with me and Share and now Steve? That's what you're accomplishing. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist who specialized in NPD was in fact in the context of a therapeutic relationship: the therapist was treating Barry for NPD (obviously unsuccessfully). Goodness knows this current post bears all the hallmarks. Talk about making it up as he goes along! (*) The one exception was the whole business about Robin having struck his students. Initially, Robin denied having done so, but the denial was Clintonesque. As he later said, he didn't deny the truth, he denied what he was accused of--having struck his students during seminars. He confessed at considerable length in January 2012 to having done so in private, residental gatherings early in the days of his cult, before he ever gave any seminars. Further, Ann (who is supposedly near-psychotically devoted to Robin) recalled one incident during a seminar in which a participant was apparently struck (LordKnows later confirmed this). Robin had genuinely forgotten the incident, blocked it from his mind because it was so painful. But he didn't contest Ann's recollection. I might also note that Robin's story of his cult days was unsparing in its
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
As I've already told you, Share, it really doesn't help just to repeat your misunderstanding over and over. You have never bothered to engage with what Ann and I have told you. I'll try it one more time: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. Got that? But genuine enlightenment itself is not what it's cracked up to be: It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. Now, read those two sentences over and over until it dawns on you where your misunderstanding lies. I'm not interested in hearing from you again on this until you can show you understand Robin's position correctly (whether you agree with it or not). Judy, here is what I understand: you used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then you said that Robin said that enlightenment reached via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Are these statements accurate? On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You're repeating his (or my or Ann's) words out of context and without understanding, Share. You're not really trying to understand; you just want to find a way to bash him. Judy, later Robin said that his state of enlightenment was actually, to use Ann's words, a state of delusion. I'm merely repeating what he himself has said. Or what you and Ann have said that he said. On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Of course you denigrated Robin. Robin claimed he had been enlightened, and you're insisting he wasn't. I've explained why your logic is, to say the least, faulty several times, as has Ann. It really doesn't help your case that you keep repeating your misunderstanding without ever addressing what we've been telling you. Judy, I did not denigrate Robin. I called your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment inaccurate because you said that Robin said that enlightenment, including his, via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Xeno doesn't read the posts he counts here. If he did, he'd realize that most of Barry's posts were thoroughly dishonest attacks on me or Robin; and that in addition to refuting Barry's dishonesty, a substantial number of my posts were dealing with a discussion our Stevie can't seem to let go of in which he is quite idiotically trying to insist Robin and I were deliberately trying to fool people with our irony exchange; plus a bunch from Share attempting to denigrate Robin via her misunderstanding of his views on enlightenment. (Although the two posts he claims had the same title, did not.) Posts from 1 February 2014 to 10 February 2014 4:00pm EST authfriend 143 replies, 4 original posts (although 2 had the same title) turquoiseb 53 replies, 16 original posts
Re: [FairfieldLife] for your heart, drink water before going to sleep
I need to drink more water. I usually have pleasant watery-like dreams when I'm well hydrated. On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:45 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: You're welcome, Mike. I realize many in the Funny Farm Lounge are creeping up in age. Good to take excellent care of the body. Don't believe everything you read. Any second now there'll be a study that proves drinking water before bed is really, really bad for you. On Monday, February 10, 2014 3:58 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Very interesting Share. Thanks. On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Water and your heart How many folks do you know who say they don't want to drink anything before going to bed because they'll have to get up during the night!! Why do people need to urinate so much at night time. Answer from a Cardiologist: Gravity holds water in the lower part of your body when you are upright (legs swell). When you lie down and the lower body (legs and etc.) seeks level with the kidneys, it is then that the kidneys remove the water because it is easier. This then ties in with the last statement! Correct time to drink water... Very Important. From A Cardiac Specialist! Drinking water at a certain time maximizes its effectiveness on the body: 2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs, 1 glass of water 30 minutes before a meal - helps digestion, 1 glass of water before taking a bath - helps lower blood pressure, 1 glass of water before going to bed - avoids stroke or heart attack Also: water at bed time will also help prevent night time leg cramps. Your leg muscles are seeking hydration when they cramp and wake you up with a Charlie Horse. A Cardiologist has stated that if each person after receiving this e-mail, sends it to 10 people, probably one life could be saved! I have already shared this information. What about you? Do forward this message. It may save lives!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
Judy, this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? Judy wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ... It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:03 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As I've already told you, Share, it really doesn't help just to repeat your misunderstanding over and over. You have never bothered to engage with what Ann and I have told you. I'll try it one more time: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. Got that? But genuine enlightenment itself is not what it's cracked up to be: It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. Now, read those two sentences over and over until it dawns on you where your misunderstanding lies. I'm not interested in hearing from you again on this until you can show you understand Robin's position correctly (whether you agree with it or not). Judy, here is what I understand: you used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then you said that Robin said that enlightenment reached via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Are these statements accurate? On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You're repeating his (or my or Ann's) words out of context and without understanding, Share. You're not really trying to understand; you just want to find a way to bash him. Judy, later Robin said that his state of enlightenment was actually, to use Ann's words, a state of delusion. I'm merely repeating what he himself has said. Or what you and Ann have said that he said. On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Of course you denigrated Robin. Robin claimed he had been enlightened, and you're insisting he wasn't. I've explained why your logic is, to say the least, faulty several times, as has Ann. It really doesn't help your case that you keep repeating your misunderstanding without ever addressing what we've been telling you. Judy, I did not denigrate Robin. I called your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment inaccurate because you said that Robin said that enlightenment, including his, via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Xeno doesn't read the posts he counts here. If he did, he'd realize that most of Barry's posts were thoroughly dishonest attacks on me or Robin; and that in addition to refuting Barry's dishonesty, a substantial number of my posts were dealing with a discussion our Stevie can't seem to let go of in which he is quite idiotically trying to insist Robin and I were deliberately trying to fool people with our irony exchange; plus a bunch from Share attempting to denigrate Robin via her misunderstanding of his views on enlightenment. (Although the two posts he claims had the same title, did not.) Posts from 1 February 2014 to 10 February 2014 4:00pm EST authfriend 143 replies, 4 original posts (although 2 had the same title) turquoiseb 53 replies, 16 original posts
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Oh, too bad, then you missed my catch of the huge blooper you made concerning Robin having been near suicide. Not to mention the others I identified. And sorry to tell you, I don't put the same value on original posts that you do. I'm much more interested in interaction than showing off. In any case, most of your original posts are like the ones last night and this morning, endless demonizations and dishonest characterizations and outright falsehoods about the people you don't like. I doubt many people are interested in reading those either, but as far as I'm concerned it's necessary to correct the record (especially given Buck's eminent scholars who are supposedly reading FFL). You don't like that. Tough, live with it. Or start dealing with reality instead of wallowing in obsessional, delusional fantasies. This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. What on earth makes you believe that anyone CARES what you think -- about Robin, about them, or about anything else? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel in this post, just as I never bother to read past the first few Message View words of any of your posts. I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both you and Ann have become mono-topical with regard to Robin. Few people ever really gave a shit about Robin anyway, and they *certainly* don't give a shit about your attempts at creating a revisionist history for him. Several people now -- meaning not just me -- have commented on the near-absolute lack of original posts from you. At least one has commented that this latest obsession of yours -- 112 posts in three days, *most* of them rehashing the same old-maid I know him better than you do fantasies about Robin -- is causing them to long for the old Posting Limits. Have you *really* got nothing to talk about except this dweeb who ran away in panic from this forum ten months ago? Do you *really* want to give people the impression that he is pretty much the *only* thing you can come up with to post about other than your obsession with me and Share and now Steve? That's what you're accomplishing. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
As I said: Once you figure it out, get back to me. It shouldn't be that difficult, even for you. Judy, this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? Judy wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ... It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:03 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: As I've already told you, Share, it really doesn't help just to repeat your misunderstanding over and over. You have never bothered to engage with what Ann and I have told you. I'll try it one more time: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. Got that? But genuine enlightenment itself is not what it's cracked up to be: It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. Now, read those two sentences over and over until it dawns on you where your misunderstanding lies. I'm not interested in hearing from you again on this until you can show you understand Robin's position correctly (whether you agree with it or not). Judy, here is what I understand: you used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then you said that Robin said that enlightenment reached via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Are these statements accurate? On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You're repeating his (or my or Ann's) words out of context and without understanding, Share. You're not really trying to understand; you just want to find a way to bash him. Judy, later Robin said that his state of enlightenment was actually, to use Ann's words, a state of delusion. I'm merely repeating what he himself has said. Or what you and Ann have said that he said. On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Of course you denigrated Robin. Robin claimed he had been enlightened, and you're insisting he wasn't. I've explained why your logic is, to say the least, faulty several times, as has Ann. It really doesn't help your case that you keep repeating your misunderstanding without ever addressing what we've been telling you. Judy, I did not denigrate Robin. I called your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment inaccurate because you said that Robin said that enlightenment, including his, via Eastern systems is a delusion because ontological union between God and human is not possible. Xeno doesn't read the posts he counts here. If he did, he'd realize that most of Barry's posts were thoroughly dishonest attacks on me or Robin; and that in addition to refuting Barry's dishonesty, a substantial number of my posts were dealing with a discussion our Stevie can't seem to let go of in which he is quite idiotically trying to insist Robin and I were deliberately trying to fool people with our irony exchange; plus a bunch from Share attempting to denigrate Robin via her misunderstanding of his views on enlightenment. (Although the two posts he claims had the same title, did not.) Posts from 1 February 2014 to 10 February 2014 4:00pm EST authfriend 143 replies, 4 original posts (although 2 had the same title) turquoiseb 53 replies, 16 original posts
[FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
[FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] for your heart, drink water before going to sleep
Mike, they say that coconut water is very hydrating and higher in potassium than bananas. I drink a cup every evening before dinner. Plus it's yummy! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:07 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to drink more water. I usually have pleasant watery-like dreams when I'm well hydrated. On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:45 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: You're welcome, Mike. I realize many in the Funny Farm Lounge are creeping up in age. Good to take excellent care of the body. Don't believe everything you read. Any second now there'll be a study that proves drinking water before bed is really, really bad for you. On Monday, February 10, 2014 3:58 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Very interesting Share. Thanks. On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Water and your heart How many folks do you know who say they don't want to drink anything before going to bed because they'll have to get up during the night!! Why do people need to urinate so much at night time. Answer from a Cardiologist: Gravity holds water in the lower part of your body when you are upright (legs swell). When you lie down and the lower body (legs and etc.) seeks level with the kidneys, it is then that the kidneys remove the water because it is easier. This then ties in with the last statement! Correct time to drink water... Very Important. From A Cardiac Specialist! Drinking water at a certain time maximizes its effectiveness on the body: 2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs, 1 glass of water 30 minutes before a meal - helps digestion, 1 glass of water before taking a bath - helps lower blood pressure, 1 glass of water before going to bed - avoids stroke or heart attack Also: water at bed time will also help prevent night time leg cramps. Your leg muscles are seeking hydration when they cramp and wake you up with a Charlie Horse. A Cardiologist has stated that if each person after receiving this e-mail, sends it to 10 people, probably one life could be saved! I have already shared this information. What about you?Do forward this message. It may save lives!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Ah ha! Now we know why you are agin TM - you have a south facing veranda Don't the folks in that place know how to git them some curtains or drapes or blinds or some such so they won't have to peer at each other through their windows? On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 1:14 PM Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of activities for adults and kids alike. The people I used to stay with organised a lot of it and were seriously cool and respected other peoples beliefs - including my natural scepticism which was rare in the TMO but they didn't like the emphasis on Indian stuff in the TMO so maybe they are part of a minority ;-). A lot of people weren't like that though and the emphasis was very much on TM conformity to the extent that the directors had spies reporting back to them about people were talking about outside the dome. The TMO is a very insular organisation, you couldn't move there and set up a whole food shop for instance as you would be in competition with the dome shop and would be blacklisted (this happened, I was disgusted) But it is a cult and we shouldn't forget that. There are plenty of funny stories about people trying other techniques and new age beliefs and the response of the TMO but that's life, people experiment and it isn't worth getting upset about. This is interesting: The daughter of my old Geography teacher, Ruth, told me that not long ago a couple of members of the British Humanist Association protested outside the Maharishi school as they were convinced it was teaching creationism because one of the subjects is called the Science of Creative Intelligence (SCI).SCI taught a mixture of Vedic philosophy and lifestyle tools,
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
for those who read the vastu article I posted here a couple times, the author said that the reality is vastu veda was different in different parts of India in the old days - apparently each author of the old vastu ved texts geared their recommendations to the place, geography, climate, social climate and so on. Nowdays most vastu ved practitioners in India try to do everything everywhere with one idea and it is just ridiculous. Ane with TM Marshy flat out lied about the detriment of a south facing entrance to get people to not buy vastu ved designs from anyone other than a Marshy vastu ved practitioner. I had some friends in North Carolina who were determined to use vastu to build their house in the mountains - the guy they hired was a Movement guy and he insisted they had to have the house centered in a certain spot on the property which necessitated building half of it hanging out in the air on the side of the mountain. That side of the house had to be supported with what essentially looked like stilts or a scaffolding underneath. All well and good until the first winter storm came. They discovered that the P traps in the plumbing all froze - couldn't use the drains, couldn't flush the toilets till the weather got above freezing - my friend would be under there with a hair dryer many a time to get one p trap unfrozen. Jai Guru Marshy Vastu. On Tue, 2/11/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 2:44 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I'm chuckling at Barry's posturing again because I just happened to look at my post to Seraphita again, and realized that I'd made my comment about Robin having been near suicide down in the second paragraph, well below the first few 'Message View' words of the post. Obviously Barry does care what I think, and obviously he does read my posts, his repeated claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Oopsie! Put that on top of his humiliating gaffe about Robin supposedly having told me but no one else about being suicidal when Barry and everyone else who read Robin's posts knew about it from the beginning of Robin's participation here. What on earth makes Barry think anyone believes what he says any more? What on earth makes you believe that anyone CARES what you think -- about Robin, about them, or about anything else? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel in this post, just as I never bother to read past the first few Message View words of any of your posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Country Chuckles
Richard, I love this guy! I bet he was enlightened (-: PS Maharishi said that at the deepest level of every atom, even every atom of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. Go figure! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:14 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. - Will Rogers On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving. - Will Rogers On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So what was the good catch you said I made, Share? I don't believe you've responded to that question. Keep 'em coming Richard and thank you...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Taliban Readies 500 Female Suicide Bombers
John, I'd guess that they're from a country whose jyotish chart has a very afflicted Moon and or Venus. On Monday, February 10, 2014 2:18 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, As I've replied to MJ, the Taliban is using hate and revenge as the motivation for these women to become suicide bombers. If these women have lost their husbands and family members, they know that, by the way the Islamic culture is set up, they have nothing else left. So, it is very easy for them to become willing participants in their self-destruction to destroy the infidels. You can see the nature of their leaders by the works that they do. Death, hatred, revenge, and futility are their calling cards. Can you guess where they're from?
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] for your heart, drink water before going to sleep
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: I need to drink more water. I usually have pleasant watery-like dreams when I'm well hydrated. Watery dreams, I love the sound of that. Usually when I drink water or tea before bed all I dream about is having actually gotten up to go to the bathroom but actually haven't - and that keeps repeating itself over and over. On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:45 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: You're welcome, Mike. I realize many in the Funny Farm Lounge are creeping up in age. Good to take excellent care of the body. Don't believe everything you read. Any second now there'll be a study that proves drinking water before bed is really, really bad for you. On Monday, February 10, 2014 3:58 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Very interesting Share. Thanks. On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Water and your heart How many folks do you know who say they don't want to drink anything before going to bed because they'll have to get up during the night!! Why do people need to urinate so much at night time. Answer from a Cardiologist: Gravity holds water in the lower part of your body when you are upright (legs swell). When you lie down and the lower body (legs and etc.) seeks level with the kidneys, it is then that the kidneys remove the water because it is easier. This then ties in with the last statement! Correct time to drink water... Very Important. From A Cardiac Specialist! Drinking water at a certain time maximizes its effectiveness on the body: 2 glasses of water after waking up - helps activate internal organs, 1 glass of water 30 minutes before a meal - helps digestion, 1 glass of water before taking a bath - helps lower blood pressure, 1 glass of water before going to bed - avoids stroke or heart attack Also: water at bed time will also help prevent night time leg cramps. Your leg muscles are seeking hydration when they cramp and wake you up with a Charlie Horse. A Cardiologist has stated that if each person after receiving this e-mail, sends it to 10 people, probably one life could be saved! I have already shared this information. What about you? Do forward this message. It may save lives!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
On 2/11/2014 9:19 AM, Share Long wrote: this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? According to Robin, most people are in a dream state and mistake it for the real. What you have to do according to Robin is wake up from the dream. The Adi Shankaracharya explained this very well using analogies like the rope-sanke. The dream state is like a delusion or an illusion. Dreams and illusions are real, while they last, but not real in the absolute sense. An illusion or a dream is real in the sense that it is presented to us. At first that seems to be contradictory, but when you think about it, dreams are as real as any other state - dreams are not real, yet they are not unreal either. In the waking state you can run and jump and consult with your friends. You can also run and jump in your dreams and consult with your friends. In fact, there's nothing that can be done in the waking state that you cannot also do in a dream state. It's like a zen koan: At night, you see a thief. In the light of day, you realize it was just a fence pole.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: for those who read the vastu article I posted here a couple times, the author said that the reality is vastu veda was different in different parts of India in the old days - apparently each author of the old vastu ved texts geared their recommendations to the place, geography, climate, social climate and so on. Nowdays most vastu ved practitioners in India try to do everything everywhere with one idea and it is just ridiculous. Ane with TM Marshy flat out lied about the detriment of a south facing entrance to get people to not buy vastu ved designs from anyone other than a Marshy vastu ved practitioner. I had some friends in North Carolina who were determined to use vastu to build their house in the mountains - the guy they hired was a Movement guy and he insisted they had to have the house centered in a certain spot on the property which necessitated building half of it hanging out in the air on the side of the mountain. That side of the house had to be supported with what essentially looked like stilts or a scaffolding underneath. All well and good until the first winter storm came. They discovered that the P traps in the plumbing all froze - couldn't use the drains, couldn't flush the toilets till the weather got above freezing - my friend would be under there with a hair dryer many a time to get one p trap unfrozen. Jai Guru Marshy Vastu. Real beauty is a synthesis of aesthetics and functionality. Someone evidently didn't know that when they designed those houses. On Tue, 2/11/14, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 2:44 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE:
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
Thanks Richard, I understand this. Using dreams is a good way to explain it. Dreams are real in their own context. But they are delusions in a larger context. Do you think that's what Robin meant about his enlightenment? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:34 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:19 AM, Share Long wrote: this sounds contradictory to me. How can something be genuine and delusionary at the same time? According to Robin, most people are in a dream state and mistake it for the real. What you have to do according to Robin is wake up from the dream. The Adi Shankaracharya explained this very well using analogies like the rope-sanke. The dream state is like a delusion or an illusion. Dreams and illusions are real, while they last, but not real in the absolute sense. An illusion or a dream is real in the sense that it is presented to us. At first that seems to be contradictory, but when you think about it, dreams are as real as any other state - dreams are not real, yet they are not unreal either. In the waking state you can run and jump and consult with your friends. You can also run and jump in your dreams and consult with your friends. In fact, there's nothing that can be done in the waking state that you cannot also do in a dream state. It's like a zen koan: At night, you see a thief. In the light of day, you realize it was just a fence pole.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. Am I the only one here who thinks arguing about enlightenment is a waste of time? Sometimes I think Share just does this to create problems. Like here for example, she knows exactly where this is going to lead. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
On 2/11/2014 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote: ontological union between God and human is not possible. When Robin experienced enlightenment he said that he floated in a kind of absolute bliss - he was able to witness his body move, as his individuality carried out its natural actions, but the individual Robin was gone - he had reached CC. According to MMY, if pure consciousness stays awake while everything else sleeps, then one knows one is in cosmic consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] For those I hate my job days
I work at home, and love what I'm doing, so this doesn't apply to me. It also probably doesn't apply to many of the folks here who are either retired or love their jobs. But it's funny, so I pass it along anyway... [https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q75/s720x720/162262\ 3_10151994435713800_664239328_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/
[FairfieldLife] Re: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-th\ e-religious-will-never-understand-them/ http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-t\ he-religious-will-never-understand-them/ Interesting and insightful article. I particularly liked: The most striking feature of the Vedas is that the Vedas are not the word of god; the Vedas mostly consist of hymns addressed to the gods. This might seem like a mere literary detail, but it is refreshing to read a religious book where, for a change, mankind is the author and not the target audience.
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness around here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
On 2/11/2014 7:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. Some people like to live in towns and villages where there is flat land with streets aligned to a grid. This makes a lot of sense: the streets can be called First Street, Second Street, etc. and the cross streets can be named after trees: Oak Street, Pine Street, etc. That way, anyone can find their way around town easily. This is called Urban Planning, a course I once took at a community college. Years ago we used to live on the side of a small mountain in Marin County, Northern California. When Dad and Mom came to visit us Dad asked me: Why would anyone want to build a house on the side of a hill with a ditch in the backyard? So, he got me to thinking - there are flat-landers and there are hill-folk. Flat-landers have wide streets with logical names like Main Street and the hill-folk have winding roads with funny names like Penny Lane. It's all a matter of placement and positioning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 7:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. Some people like to live in towns and villages where there is flat land with streets aligned to a grid. This makes a lot of sense: the streets can be called First Street, Second Street, etc. and the cross streets can be named after trees: Oak Street, Pine Street, etc. That way, anyone can find their way around town easily. This is called Urban Planning, a course I once took at a community college. Sounds like an imaginative place, you'd have to be pretty gormless to get lost there and no mistake. Years ago we used to live on the side of a small mountain in Marin County, Northern California. When Dad and Mom came to visit us Dad asked me: Why would anyone want to build a house on the side of a hill with a ditch in the backyard? So, he got me to thinking - there are flat-landers and there are hill-folk. Flat-landers have wide streets with logical names like Main Street and the hill-folk have winding roads with funny names like Penny Lane. It's all a matter of placement and positioning. Yes but suppose the grid folk told you that their houses were actually perfect and that living in one would bring you greater happiness, health and nature support (whatever that is)? Suppose that the people that sold you these perfect houses wanted to charge you 40% more than the market rate for a house not built facing the rising sun on two days of the year? Still sound like a good idea? The way it's raining in England at the moment, we hill folk are really going to have the last laugh on which vastu principle will turn out to have the most benefit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion. I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another person in their fold and on the hook. Now that it's finally been revealed that Robin conducted his cult indoctrination/recruitment number not only in public on FFL but individually (via private email), isn't it easier to understand Judy and Ann's near-psychotic devotion to him? Chances are in each of those emails he tailored what he said to each of them differently, playing off of each of their weaknesses and needs to make them feel special, and thus cause them to develop an allegiance with him. According to Judy, he told her he was near suicide several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was tailoring his spiel to her to make her feel special? And, of course, it worked. He probably told different things to Ann to get *her* to feel just as devoted. The thing about Narcissistic Personality Disorder -- ironically, given Judy's hangup about lies and truth -- is that the truly NPD-afflicted personality is *incapable* of truth. EVERYTHING they say is a lie, fabricated in the moment to tailor their spiel to the perceived target they're trying to make feel special. Judy is an easy mark. There has never been a person who CARES more about what other people think of her on FFL than Judy Stein. Almost *all* of her posts are about trying to force other people to see her the way that she sees herself. In other words, she's budding NPD herself. Ann has more than a little attention-seeking driving her as well, so she became another easy mark, even though *her own past history* with the guy should have tipped her off as to how meaningless anything he says to her really is. This is really my only interest in Robin Woolworth's Carlsen. Given my tutelage in NPD, its symptoms, and its unique ways of acting itself out, I
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, besides ontological? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion. I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] for your heart, drink water before going to sleep
Laughing hysterically. Me too. You would not believe the variety of fantastically elaborate toilet facilities I encounter in my dreams when I need to go to the bathroom. It's never my bathroom; it's always in the context of the setting of whatever dream I'm in the middle of. And all too frequently it's horrendously public. Watery dreams, I love the sound of that. Usually when I drink water or tea before bed all I dream about is having actually gotten up to go to the bathroom but actually haven't - and that keeps repeating itself over and over.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Share, Richard doesn't know from shit what they mean. He'll just blab whatever comes to mind. And I've already explained, umpty times now, what I mean by them, as has Ann. Pretty silly to ask someone else. Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another person in their fold and on the hook. Now that it's finally been revealed that Robin conducted his cult indoctrination/recruitment number not only in public on FFL but individually (via private email), isn't it easier to understand Judy and Ann's near-psychotic devotion to him? Chances are in each of those emails he tailored what he said to each of them differently, playing off of each of their weaknesses and needs to make them feel special, and thus cause them to develop an allegiance with him. According to Judy, he told her he was near suicide several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was tailoring his spiel to her to make her
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Judy, I was asking him to explain in the context of what he had written. And I found his dream analogy useful. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, Richard doesn't know from shit what they mean. He'll just blab whatever comes to mind. And I've already explained, umpty times now, what I mean by them, as has Ann. Pretty silly to ask someone else. Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
He's got some funny stuff on his blog - this is one of them On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness around here. http://neoindian.org/2009/03/06/6-surprising-benefits-of-moving-to-india/
[FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow-131800350/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252F6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow%252F-photo-2757618-010900356.html http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow-131800350/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252F6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow%252F-photo-2757618-010900356.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Now tell me you love me--irony, Bhairitu, irony. Sheesh. BTW, to see what the context might have been, I just checked the (independent) Mail Archive site for all his posts addressing you, and I couldn't find any that had anything like the phrase Now tell me you love me. And the only post I could find in which he went off on you was the one responding to your complaint that he hadn't answered your question as to whether he considered himself an acharya (he didn't). Are you sure that's what he said? Maybe the post somehow went missing. If he did say anything like that, though, it would have been ironic. He never said that kind of thing seriously. BTW, with regard to his lack of paragraphing, after you had redone a post of his with appropriate paragraphing, he recognized it was better and was very gracious thanking you for the suggestion. In several other posts to you he was quite appreciative of your writing skills and of your stories about your music. I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: People are beginning to catch on
On 2/11/2014 1:01 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You and a few others couldn't stand that, couldn't stand the comparison. Robin posting to FFL seemed to really upset Ravi. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
Thanks for posting John. I'd have to find out that it's very walkable before I'd be willing to move there. There's a great forum for researching places: city-data People already living there share tons of useful info. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:51 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow-131800350/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252F6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow%252F-photo-2757618-010900356.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Taliban Readies 500 Female Suicide Bombers
Share, Yes, and those female planets are probably in conjunction with Rahu and Saturn. This is one of the main reasons why the Arab Spring occurred and is the most likely reason why changes will continue to occur in countries with oppressive laws that suppress human rights, like in Afghanistan and Pakistan..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
On 2/11/2014 11:49 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? We are seriously thinking about moving back to Austin, somewhere out by Oak Hill, Dripping Springs, or Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, home of the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. Fer sure we will be attending some of the upcoming events at the SXSW Music and Film Festival, the largest music festival of its kind in the world, with more than 2,200 performers and bands playing in more than 100 venues playing all over town. Sweet! South by Southwest: http://sxsw.com/ Austin, Texas - Live Music Capitol of the World http://www.austinwebpage.com/ http://www.musicaustin.com/ http://www.experienceaustin.com/core.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Oh, found it, via Neo, believe it or not. On the Mail Archive, I'd specified a post by maskedzebra, but by this time he'd switched to Robin Carlsen, so it didn't turn up the post. Yes, it was unquestionably ironic. Your post to him had been pretty nasty, and he called you on it rather forcefully. Now say you love me, Bhairitu was designed to soften what he'd said to you. And your return quip didn't throw him off his game; he liked it. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/315165 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/315165 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Now tell me you love me--irony, Bhairitu, irony. Sheesh. BTW, to see what the context might have been, I just checked the (independent) Mail Archive site for all his posts addressing you, and I couldn't find any that had anything like the phrase Now tell me you love me. And the only post I could find in which he went off on you was the one responding to your complaint that he hadn't answered your question as to whether he considered himself an acharya (he didn't). Are you sure that's what he said? Maybe the post somehow went missing. If he did say anything like that, though, it would have been ironic. He never said that kind of thing seriously. BTW, with regard to his lack of paragraphing, after you had redone a post of his with appropriate paragraphing, he recognized it was better and was very gracious thanking you for the suggestion. In several other posts to you he was quite appreciative of your writing skills and of your stories about your music. I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Anne, you could pay Skem a visit from Hebden bridge, it's due south west from there - just follow the rain clouds. The dome is in Ashurst which is the nice bit. Downhill from there is a drive thru MacDonalds and an Asda next to a dreary shopping centre on an industrial wasteland. Wear some stout shoes for the broken glass and you'll be OK. For something to do you could play spot the Domie among the locals. Actually that's all there is to do unless you want to join the local kids for some wanton vandalism or heroin abuse, depends which age of teenager you are most happy hanging around with. I really seriously do not recommend going to the local pub. And don't bother looking for postcards to send to friends back home because there aren't any. Which is never a good sign. But seriously, the first time I visited Skem I thought it was better than I expected. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of activities for adults and kids alike. The people I used to stay with organised a lot of it and were seriously cool and respected other peoples beliefs - including my natural scepticism which was rare in the TMO but they didn't like the emphasis on Indian stuff in the TMO so maybe they are part of a minority ;-). A lot of people weren't like that though and the emphasis was very much on TM conformity to the extent that the directors had spies reporting back to them
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
http://www.city-data.com/forum/austin/ On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:21 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 11:49 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? We are seriously thinking about moving back to Austin, somewhere out by Oak Hill, Dripping Springs, or Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, home of the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. Fer sure we will be attending some of the upcoming events at the SXSW Music and Film Festival, the largest music festival of its kind in the world, with more than 2,200 performers and bands playing in more than 100 venues playing all over town. Sweet! South by Southwest: http://sxsw.com/ Austin, Texas - Live Music Capitol of the World http://www.austinwebpage.com/ http://www.musicaustin.com/ http://www.experienceaustin.com/core.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: People are beginning to catch on
It did at first, but after several long conversations, they became very close. You and a few others couldn't stand that, couldn't stand the comparison. Robin posting to FFL seemed to really upset Ravi. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
There is a lake in downtown Austin with a hike and bike trail that goes around the lake. [image: Inline image 1] Town Lake in Austin Hike and Bike Trail Yelp Review: http://www.yelp.com/town-lake-austin/http://www.yelp.com/biz/town-lake-metropolitan-parks-austin?ob=1 Town Lake Trail Run: http://www.americantrails.org/Austin/townrun.html Lady Bird Lake (formerly Town Lake) is a reservoir on the Colorado River in Downtown Austin, Texas, in the United States. It was created in 1960 by the construction of Longhorn Dam and is owned and operated by the City of Austin and the Lower Colorado River Authority. The surface area of the lake is 416 acres (168 ha), and it is used primarily for flood control and recreation. Located on the lake's shoreline are various hotels and apartments, as well as the Auditorium Shores park and the Austin Hike and Bike Trail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bird_Lake On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.city-data.com/forum/austin/ On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:21 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 11:49 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? We are seriously thinking about moving back to Austin, somewhere out by Oak Hill, Dripping Springs, or Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, home of the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. Fer sure we will be attending some of the upcoming events at the SXSW Music and Film Festival, the largest music festival of its kind in the world, with more than 2,200 performers and bands playing in more than 100 venues playing all over town. Sweet! South by Southwest: http://sxsw.com/ Austin, Texas - Live Music Capitol of the World http://www.austinwebpage.com/ http://www.musicaustin.com/ http://www.experienceaustin.com/core.html
[FairfieldLife] Growing fresh produce...underground...in London
This is actually a very cool project, and I wish them the best of luck with it... http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/02/11/london-has-a-subterranean-veggi\ e-farm-in-an-abandoned-wwii-bunker/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/02/11/london-has-a-subterranean-vegg\ ie-farm-in-an-abandoned-wwii-bunker/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anne, you could pay Skem a visit from Hebden bridge, it's due south west from there - just follow the rain clouds. The dome is in Ashurst which is the nice bit. Downhill from there is a drive thru MacDonalds and an Asda next to a dreary shopping centre on an industrial wasteland. Wear some stout shoes for the broken glass and you'll be OK. For something to do you could play spot the Domie among the locals. Actually that's all there is to do unless you want to join the local kids for some wanton vandalism or heroin abuse, depends which age of teenager you are most happy hanging around with. I really seriously do not recommend going to the local pub. And don't bother looking for postcards to send to friends back home because there aren't any. Which is never a good sign. But seriously, the first time I visited Skem I thought it was better than I expected. Thanks for this, you should be a travel writer. Actually, it might be lark to go see. My sister, who I am traveling with, might be up for it as she is a TM teacher from waaa back but then again she eschews anything Movement. I certainly get the picture on what Skem is all about and if there could be any way to prove the ME actually works, this working town could have been a contender. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the TM kids. Maybe it's my prejudice as a southerner from a really nice town near London but I thought Skem was a seriously depressing place, a sprawling low-rent estate built to ease overcrowding in nearby Liverpool. I thought the Domies had built a really nice village though, meditating in the dome was lovely and they had plenty of
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. All religious systems seem to come from the East, except Mormonism, which seems to have sprung from the mind of Moroni. But, the enlightenment tradition in India was founded by the historical Buddha. The notion of enlightenment in Yoga seems to be restricted to South Asia. According to Mircea Eliade, the Ascetic methods and techniques of ecstasy are documented among the other Indo-European peoples, to say nothing of the other peoples of Asia, whereas Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality. Reference: 'Myths and Symbols in India Art and Civilization' by Heinrich Zimmer Edited by Joseph Campbell Bolingen Series, Princeton U.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading. It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this. Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines: Fortunate are they who live in Union with God. They are man's guides on earth, furthering the evolution of all creation. They are above the limitations of religion or race. Whether they play with God or hold Him as one with their own Being is a point to be settled between them and God. They live as devotees of God or they become united, become one with their Beloved--it is a matter between them. Let it be decided on that level of Union. One view need not exclude the other. It is a sin against God to raise differences over the principle of Union. Let the followers of both schools of thought aspire to achieve their respective goals and then find in that consciousness that the other standpoint is also right at its own level. --Commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32 Hold Him as one with their own Being is ontological Union. Play with God maintains the ontological distinction between the human being and God, but it's also a state of Union, according to Maharishi. I think he had primarily in mind the different schools of Indian religious philosophy, but it seems to me that play with God would not be objectionable to the Judeo-Christian traditions (the word play would raise hackles, but I'm talking about the concept). I suspect at its own level subtly implies that Maharishi thought ontological Union was on a higher level than mere devotional Union. Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, besides ontological? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion. I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote: It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. In the Advaita Vedanta which Robin practiced it is the ego that is the delusion, but this delusion was not caused by God, but by Maya through prakriti and the gunas born of nature. When the ego is subsumed there is a lifting of the veil, an awakening from the dream of illusion. This follows the typology of the seven states of consciousness purported by MMY. So, it may have been difficult at times for Robin to adopt the theistic view after having immersed himself in non-theistic non-dualism. According to Robin, at the time of his enlightenment he experienced all these boundaries of perception dissolving.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 02/11/2014 09:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. */It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. /* Breaking distinctly different ideas into separate paragraphs is just considered good grammar. Sadly, many of us grew up with shitty English teachers who made mastering grammar difficult. When I was in the 9th grade we finally had a decent English who decided to teach us country bumpkins how to really write teaching us grammar, metaphors, allegories, etc and making the subjects fun. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. */We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. /* So far I haven't been arrested and yes I do stand up to cops. I think we are seeing the rescue the puppy syndrome here. A bunch of women who thought they could help Robin. He seemed to be beyond help or not care. Or maybe just accepted his situation (like Sam Vakim). On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
Richard, I've seen other pictures of this lake, pictures in which the water looked a lovely shade of green and one could see all the way to the bottom. And last night, funnily enough, I dreamed of swimming in such clear, green water! Go figure! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:02 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: There is a lake in downtown Austin with a hike and bike trail that goes around the lake. Town Lake in Austin Hike and Bike Trail Yelp Review: http://www.yelp.com/town-lake-austin/ Town Lake Trail Run: http://www.americantrails.org/Austin/townrun.html Lady Bird Lake (formerly Town Lake) is a reservoir on the Colorado River in Downtown Austin, Texas, in the United States. It was created in 1960 by the construction of Longhorn Dam and is owned and operated by the City of Austin and the Lower Colorado River Authority. The surface area of the lake is 416 acres (168 ha), and it is used primarily for flood control and recreation. Located on the lake's shoreline are various hotels and apartments, as well as the Auditorium Shores park and the Austin Hike and Bike Trail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bird_Lake On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.city-data.com/forum/austin/ On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:21 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 11:49 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? We are seriously thinking about moving back to Austin, somewhere out by Oak Hill, Dripping Springs, or Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, home of the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. Fer sure we will be attending some of the upcoming events at the SXSW Music and Film Festival, the largest music festival of its kind in the world, with more than 2,200 performers and bands playing in more than 100 venues playing all over town. Sweet! South by Southwest: http://sxsw.com/ Austin, Texas - Live Music Capitol of the World http://www.austinwebpage.com/ http://www.musicaustin.com/ http://www.experienceaustin.com/core.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Judy, thank you so much for posting this quote. As for what Maharishi meant by at its own level, I wonder if he was talking about the difference bt GC and UC. But like he said, it's a sin against God to raise differences over the principle of union! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:14 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading. It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this. Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines: Fortunate are they who live in Union with God. They are man's guides on earth, furthering the evolution of all creation. They are above the limitations of religion or race. Whether they play with God or hold Him as one with their own Being is a point to be settled between them and God. They live as devotees of God or they become united, become one with their Beloved--it is a matter between them. Let it be decided on that level of Union. One view need not exclude the other. It is a sin against God to raise differences over the principle of Union. Let the followers of both schools of thought aspire to achieve their respective goals and then find in that consciousness that the other standpoint is also right at its own level. --Commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32 Hold Him as one with their own Being is ontological Union. Play with God maintains the ontological distinction between the human being and God, but it's also a state of Union, according to Maharishi. I think he had primarily in mind the different schools of Indian religious philosophy, but it seems to me that play with God would not be objectionable to the Judeo-Christian traditions (the word play would raise hackles, but I'm talking about the concept). I suspect at its own level subtly implies that Maharishi thought ontological Union was on a higher level than mere devotional Union. Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, besides ontological? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion. I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very,
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Don't think so. He refers to both as Union; and I can't imagine he'd be saying it's OK to stop at GC and not go on to UC. Judy, thank you so much for posting this quote. As for what Maharishi meant by at its own level, I wonder if he was talking about the difference bt GC and UC. But like he said, it's a sin against God to raise differences over the principle of union! On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Good lord, no. Huge topic. Do some reading. It occurs to me that you may be unclear on what ontological means in this context. That's another huge topic. You need to do your own homework on this. Actually, Maharishi had something to say along these lines: Fortunate are they who live in Union with God. They are man's guides on earth, furthering the evolution of all creation. They are above the limitations of religion or race. Whether they play with God or hold Him as one with their own Being is a point to be settled between them and God. They live as devotees of God or they become united, become one with their Beloved--it is a matter between them. Let it be decided on that level of Union. One view need not exclude the other. It is a sin against God to raise differences over the principle of Union. Let the followers of both schools of thought aspire to achieve their respective goals and then find in that consciousness that the other standpoint is also right at its own level. --Commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32 Hold Him as one with their own Being is ontological Union. Play with God maintains the ontological distinction between the human being and God, but it's also a state of Union, according to Maharishi. I think he had primarily in mind the different schools of Indian religious philosophy, but it seems to me that play with God would not be objectionable to the Judeo-Christian traditions (the word play would raise hackles, but I'm talking about the concept). I suspect at its own level subtly implies that Maharishi thought ontological Union was on a higher level than mere devotional Union. Judy, can you say in a nutshell what other kind of union with God there is, besides ontological? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:11 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You have to look carefully at the notion of union with God to know whether the phrase embraces ontological union. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, that's a bridge too far, but the distinction can be subtle until you get really deep into the theology and examine the question very specifically. I doubt Sufism crosses that bridge, and I'm quite sure Kabbalah does not. Any sect that asserted the possibility of ontological union would be distinctly heretical with regard to the established doctrine of the mother religion. I think all of these systems have sects, for example the Sufis in Islam, that believe that there can be union between God and human. Maybe also the Kabbalists in Judaism? On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:22 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You aren't disagreeing just with Robin, but with all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, for which the notion of ontological union with God is blatantly heretical. You're entitled to your opinion that they're all wrong about that. Judy, this general impossibility is where I disagree with Robin. As I say in the rest of my post. I think, based on my reading of what people have written, I think ontological union with God or life has occurred in some individuals. I realized this morning that in the context of this discussion and for me, it doesn't matter whether Robin calls his previous state enlightenment or delusion or both. What matters is that I think, based on what I've read and heard about others who followed an Eastern system, for example, Nisargadatta, that enlightenment, etc. has occurred. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:54 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Robin was talking about the enlightenment Maharishi describes. Don't know what he'd say about other types of very, very high states of human development, except for the general impossibility of ontological union with God (per the doctrines of the Judeo-Christian religions). I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Statistics
On 2/11/2014 10:39 AM, Share Long wrote: Dreams are real in their own context. But they are delusions in a larger context. Dreams are real while we are dreaming, but unreal in the absolute sense. Dreams are not illusions in the sense of not being real because we do have dreams. The magic tricks of the magician seem unreal but they are tricks, not unreal tricks - there is a real sleight of hand. Something that is unreal is something that cannot be. Do you think that's what Robin meant about his enlightenment? According to Robin's biography, The First Three Years of Enlightenment at the time Robin got enlightened he believed in MMY's seven states typology and followed the Shankara Advaita. We don't know exactly what he believes now - Robin is a deep couple of guys.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
So you all set to move to Austin now? California is going to get more and more expensive. On 02/11/2014 09:49 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow-131800350/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252F6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow%252F-photo-2757618-010900356.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Hold up, Sal! How many yogic flyers are there per population in Skelmersdale, any idea? I ask becuz it doesn't seem possible that there could be heroin use that close to the enlivenment of natural law that is taking place in the Dome. Unless the numbers in the Dome are too low to make the regular flyers one tenth of one percent of the population of Skelmersdale, and even then you would think there would be a zone of purity around the area that would prevent any such activity. On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 6:33 PM Anne, you could pay Skem a visit from Hebden bridge, it's due south west from there - just follow the rain clouds. The dome is in Ashurst which is the nice bit. Downhill from there is a drive thru MacDonalds and an Asda next to a dreary shopping centre on an industrial wasteland. Wear some stout shoes for the broken glass and you'll be OK. For something to do you could play spot the Domie among the locals. Actually that's all there is to do unless you want to join the local kids for some wanton vandalism or heroin abuse, depends which age of teenager you are most happy hanging around with. I really seriously do not recommend going to the local pub. And don't bother looking for postcards to send to friends back home because there aren't any. Which is never a good sign. But seriously, the first time I visited Skem I thought it was better than I expected. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days! I never lived there but spent a lot of time on courses and felt both happy and sad for the
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
if this is too personal I understand - do you and sis ever talk about TM or the Movement? On Tue, 2/11/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 7:09 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anne, you could pay Skem a visit from Hebden bridge, it's due south west from there - just follow the rain clouds. The dome is in Ashurst which is the nice bit. Downhill from there is a drive thru MacDonalds and an Asda next to a dreary shopping centre on an industrial wasteland. Wear some stout shoes for the broken glass and you'll be OK. For something to do you could play spot the Domie among the locals. Actually that's all there is to do unless you want to join the local kids for some wanton vandalism or heroin abuse, depends which age of teenager you are most happy hanging around with. I really seriously do not recommend going to the local pub. And don't bother looking for postcards to send to friends back home because there aren't any. Which is never a good sign. But seriously, the first time I visited Skem I thought it was better than I expected. Thanks for this, you should be a travel writer. Actually, it might be lark to go see. My sister, who I am traveling with, might be up for it as she is a TM teacher from waaa back but then again she eschews anything Movement. I certainly get the picture on what Skem is all about and if there could be any way to prove the ME actually works, this working town could have been a contender. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have never heard of this place - you know anything about it Sal? vedic village in Rendlesham On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 8:13 AM Sounds like someone didn't enjoy their school days!
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That December 9, 2011 post by Barry is discussing suicide in relation to Ravi, not Robin. Robin, as maskedzebra, was also a part of the thread. My comment here is only in relation to this one item in this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist who specialized in NPD was in fact in the context of a therapeutic relationship: the therapist was treating Barry for NPD (obviously unsuccessfully). Goodness knows this current post bears all the hallmarks. Talk about making it up as he goes along! (*) The one exception was the whole business about Robin having struck his students. Initially, Robin denied having done so, but the denial was Clintonesque. As he later said, he didn't deny the truth, he denied what he was accused of--having struck his students during seminars. He confessed at considerable length in January 2012 to having done so in private, residental gatherings early in the days of his cult, before he ever gave any seminars. Further, Ann (who is supposedly near-psychotically devoted to Robin) recalled one incident during a seminar in which a participant was apparently struck (LordKnows later confirmed this). Robin had
Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Affordable, Fast Growing City in the US
Bohemian Texas. It's growing a little too fast for me. Traffic has become a ... well you know. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:37 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: So you all set to move to Austin now? California is going to get more and more expensive. On 02/11/2014 09:49 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Austin, Texas tops the list. And, there is no state income tax. Who's going to move there? http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow-131800350/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252F6-most-affordable-fast-growing-slideshow%252F-photo-2757618-010900356.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That is correct. My bad, and my most humble apologies to Barry. I only read the one paragraph, and since Barry demonizes both Ravi and Robin in very similar terms, I assumed he was referring to Robin. However, my distinct recollection is that in at least one of Robin's posts he either mentioned or implied very strongly that he had considered suicide. He didn't use that term, but that isn't the only way to convey the idea. I know that when he mentioned it to me privately, it wasn't anything I was learning for the first time. And in fact, if I had thought it was only a private confidence, I would never have mentioned it publicly. Now I wonder whether Xeno wants to address Barry's ooopsie! about never reading my posts. In fact, while I'm grateful to Xeno for finding my mistake, I'm wondering whether he ever checks up on Barry's claims. I'm guessing it's only mine he checks out. That December 9, 2011 post by Barry is discussing suicide in relation to Ravi, not Robin. Robin, as maskedzebra, was also a part of the thread. My comment here is only in relation to this one item in this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
Oh, there's apparently enough for the TMO to claim the area is a model of social perfection, free of crime and anti-social behaviour and full of healthy and happy people. Complete bollox of course, unless you are only including those who live on the dome site, but when have they ever kept to the facts? Trust me, it's no different to anywhere else. Or anywhen else... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Hold up, Sal! How many yogic flyers are there per population in Skelmersdale, any idea? I ask becuz it doesn't seem possible that there could be heroin use that close to the enlivenment of natural law that is taking place in the Dome. Unless the numbers in the Dome are too low to make the regular flyers one tenth of one percent of the population of Skelmersdale, and even then you would think there would be a zone of purity around the area that would prevent any such activity. On Tue, 2/11/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 6:33 PM Anne, you could pay Skem a visit from Hebden bridge, it's due south west from there - just follow the rain clouds. The dome is in Ashurst which is the nice bit. Downhill from there is a drive thru MacDonalds and an Asda next to a dreary shopping centre on an industrial wasteland. Wear some stout shoes for the broken glass and you'll be OK. For something to do you could play spot the Domie among the locals. Actually that's all there is to do unless you want to join the local kids for some wanton vandalism or heroin abuse, depends which age of teenager you are most happy hanging around with. I really seriously do not recommend going to the local pub. And don't bother looking for postcards to send to friends back home because there aren't any. Which is never a good sign. But seriously, the first time I visited Skem I thought it was better than I expected. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the one on Skelmersdale and now this one, are fascinating and very well written. I especially appreciated your take on the architectural layouts and why these were less than appealing. I had the same perception looking at some of these planned Vedic cities, all of these geometric and de-humanized looking regimented layouts. And so funny when you mention about the non-south facing entrances and gardens in England (of all rainy and cloudy places to adopt that particular Vastu quirkiness). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] 5 Tibetans!
Anyone lately practised 5 Tibetans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Tibetan_Rites http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Tibetan_Rites
[FairfieldLife] House Passes Debt Ceiling Increase
This is a victory for the American people. And, the Dow Jones has responded positively by an increase of over one percent. http://news.yahoo.com/house-passes-debt-ceiling-increase-223219545--finance.html http://news.yahoo.com/house-passes-debt-ceiling-increase-223219545--finance.html
[FairfieldLife] More on Skelmersdale
Do scroll down - there are some interesting tid-bits here. Skelmersdale, Lancashire, UK What's the difference between VD and a house in Skelmersdale? You can get rid of VD. - Old Lancashire Joke Situated in the bottom left-hand corner of the map of Lancashire, near Wigan, the small town of Skelmersdale has never enjoyed a good reputation among Lancastrians, as the above joke illustrates. In recent years, Skelmersdale has begun to shake off its image, and quite soon, it might even qualify to be referred to as 'up and coming'. Very few Lancastrians actually pronounce the 'l' in 'Skelmersdale'. Only those who have never heard it pronounced before, or who are trying to talk 'properly' do this. The town is pronounced 'Skemmsdale' and is abbreviated to 'Skem'. History The town is mentioned in the Doomsday Book as 100 acres of farmland. Skelmersdale was, for many years, a small, sleepy farming village. When the mining industry arrived in 1850, more and more people began to arrive, including miners from other areas of the country. The population of the town increased eightfold and, like many towns of the industrial era, it became hideously overcrowded. In 1874, The Lancet1 reported that it was a colliery village that had a 'pre-eminence in filth'. After the Second World War, someone decided that some people in Liverpool would like somewhere nicer to live. Thus, after the war, Skelmersdale was chosen to become one of the strings of New Towns that became dotted around the country. Vast council estates were built, as well as new schools, a large library, a shopping centre (the Concourse) and all the other things people thought a town would need. The new roads were designed to keep the traffic flowing with roundabout upon roundabout, and very few traffic lights. Footpaths were built well away from the roads, and passed underneath them via subways if necessary. An industrial estate was built named Pimbo, and companies were offered reduced rates if they opened a factory there. Optimistically, a motorway was built linking Liverpool and the M6 that had two junctions for Skelmersdale. The part of Skelmersdale that existed before the redevelopment became known as Old Skem. The original residents were not overjoyed at their sleepy little village being taken over by a sudden influx of Scousers2. Their familiar old town was transformed, even destroyed in parts. The former main street, Sandy Lane, was replaced by a shopping centre, and several old streets and communities, such as Stormy Corner, were destroyed. The whole character of the town changed to one closer to Liverpool than Lancashire. Local children picked up the newcomers' accent in school, and now the Skelmersdale accent is distinctly Scouse. Unfortunately, many of the factories did not stay when the rents were increased. One of the largest, Thorn Television, closed completely. Many people decided to move away, some going back to Liverpool. When people got a better job, they would usually choose to leave the area. The teachers at the schools, the engineers at the factories, the librarians - all would often choose to commute into Skelmersdale rather than live there. Many of the council houses were unfilled, and the transcendental meditation movement were looking for a location for their ideal village. Milton Keynes, suspicious of the organisation, had already denied them permission to build there. Skelmersdale invited them to help fill hard-to-let council estates. The residents who had moved from Liverpool were suspicious of the new influx of mainly middle-class southerners who spent their time in the lotus position hopping up and down on foam mats. The TM community built their own housing estate, centred on 'the Golden Dome' (though the planning authority refused permission to paint the roof of the dome gold). Getting to Skelmersdale The nearest train station is Parbold, which is on a branch line between Southport and Manchester, and is not served by any buses. The most convenient is Wigan North Western, which is on the West Coast Main line running from Scotland to London. There is a bus service from there to Skelmersdale bus station, which is attached to the concourse, though the last bus runs in the early evening. As Skelmersdale is arranged entirely on a roundabout system, with no main street and most signposts having been vandalised, leaving Skelmersdale by car can be a problem if you don't know the town. Usually you will have to stop and ask directions. Unfortunately, the town planners arranged it so that no footpath ran alongside any main roads. Things to Do in Skelmersdale Skelmersdale is an excellent place to learn to drive, as there are numerous empty industrial estates to master stopping and starting. There are many roundabouts to practice on too, and most have very little traffic so you can go through the routine of looking in the right place without worrying about having
[FairfieldLife] WMC!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Memory_Championships http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Memory_Championships
[FairfieldLife] More British Bliss!
Man, this is great stuff! I am sorry I never thought to follow the Movement in Ye Merrye Olde Englande before! http://twentyfirstfloormirror.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/yogi-flyers-and-the-1992-general-election/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] House Passes Debt Ceiling Increase
So, I'm assuming that means there will be more jobs for the unemployed. Lets watch the jobs reports and see if this manifests. If we keep increasing the debt without increasing the number of people paying income taxes then we are just digging a deeper hole. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:57 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: This is a victory for the American people. And, the Dow Jones has responded positively by an increase of over one percent. http://news.yahoo.com/house-passes-debt-ceiling-increase-223219545--finance.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] House Passes Debt Ceiling Increase
Mike, The increase of jobs is also dependent on the Federal Reserve Board's Quantitative Easing (QE) policy. If the interest rates remain low, there's a good chance that the employers will borrow more money to increase their sales. As such, they also will hire more people to provide services to their customers. If the economy gets better, the Fed should reduce its purchases of government bonds to prevent the rise of inflation. So far, the balancing act appears to be working.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TM sneaking into the schools
http://www.cwae.org/quiet_time_program.php During Quiet Time, the students have the option to meditate or do another quiet, relaxing activity like sustained silent reading. All students and teachers are offered the opportunity to receive training in an evidenced-based relaxation and self-development technique called Transcendental Meditation® or TM (See Research) http://www.cwae.org/tm_research.php . Most students practice this in Quiet Time. Not all that hidden, IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
Right...if Robin is choosing Catholocism over ontological Hinduism (most of it); the word union has the meaning of being one with Jesus (not pure Consciousness) in an ecstatic state in which the Saint loses outer awareness and may be seen levitating. Examples: - St. John of the Cross and St. Theresa hsbased on direct experience being , of e un
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: enlightenment has occurred
He rejected Catholicism years ago, as it happens, but thanks for the explanation. I think the end may have gotten cut off there--or did you go into an ecstatic state and lose outer awareness? ;-) Right...if Robin is choosing Catholocism over ontological Hinduism (most of it); the word union has the meaning of being one with Jesus (not pure Consciousness) in an ecstatic state in which the Saint loses outer awareness and may be seen levitating. Examples: - St. John of the Cross and St. Theresa hsbased on direct experience being , of e un
[FairfieldLife] New study on TM and PTSD
This is a new study on a new group of refugees in Uganda. It monitored the subjects for a whle before teaching TM and then at 2-weeks, 1 month, and 3 months, after learning. The original study did only one pre-test, and didn't do a 2-week post test. The new study isn't a controlled study, but the 1 month and 3 month post-test were very similar to the first study. The real meat is just how fast TM had an effect on ptsd: http://www.sciencenewsline.com/articles/2014021018210010.html http://www.sciencenewsline.com/articles/2014021018210010.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: if this is too personal I understand - do you and sis ever talk about TM or the Movement? This format didn't totally allow me to see if you were asking me this question or not so I am guessing you addressed this to me, MJ. My sister and I talk about absolutely everything so we could easily talk about TM and the Movement but we mostly don't. She meditates regularly, she became a teacher in Majorca in 1970 and initiated my entire family that same year. She still loves to meditate but has nothing to do with the Movement and my impression is she is not impressed with any of it within the last 30 years or so. She used to teach in the English department at MIU from about 1974-1980 or so and her husband was dean of faculty and a professor in the fine arts dept. as well. Share was actually an assistant to him at one point, so she told me once on FFL. On Tue, 2/11/14, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Skelmersdale To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 7:09 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anne, you could pay Skem a visit from Hebden bridge, it's due south west from there - just follow the rain clouds. The dome is in Ashurst which is the nice bit. Downhill from there is a drive thru MacDonalds and an Asda next to a dreary shopping centre on an industrial wasteland. Wear some stout shoes for the broken glass and you'll be OK. For something to do you could play spot the Domie among the locals. Actually that's all there is to do unless you want to join the local kids for some wanton vandalism or heroin abuse, depends which age of teenager you are most happy hanging around with. I really seriously do not recommend going to the local pub. And don't bother looking for postcards to send to friends back home because there aren't any. Which is never a good sign. But seriously, the first time I visited Skem I thought it was better than I expected. Thanks for this, you should be a travel writer. Actually, it might be lark to go see. My sister, who I am traveling with, might be up for it as she is a TM teacher from waaa back but then again she eschews anything Movement. I certainly get the picture on what Skem is all about and if there could be any way to prove the ME actually works, this working town could have been a contender. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes I've been there. What happened was, when I started meditating the TMO was putting in a bid for an old US air force base on the east coast. I went along to a few meetings and was impressed at the ambition and possibilities even though I had yet to learn of the general trajectory of movement ideas. Basically they couldn't afford it but they did buy a little corner and eventually started building a perfect vastu village of about 30 (?) homes and a few blocks of flats. They plan to build a peace palace but nature doesn't seem to be supporting them in raising the money. For some reason. Ahem... I haven't been inside the houses and have heard mixed reviews but they look really good with double doors and pillars, most people love them and love being in the community even more. A friend of mine lives in one of the flats though and I love it, I'd move in straight away if I had the money. And that's the problem, they are really expensive, so much so that you can't get a mortgage because it won't have that resale value and the banks are worried about losing out. But most who live there are retired and were happy to pay the extra to live in vastu. I don't like the place, walking around it gives me the creeps, all the buildings line up on every axis so you can look through one window and see through about 5 homes in every direction. It makes me feel like I'm being watched. I don't like the vastu principle anyway, I think it's stupid and illogical and the idea of nature support is a crock of shit. And not having a south facing garden in England is the dumbest idea of them all. And you can't put a conservatory on the side as it would break the symmetry, one of my favourite things is sitting on my south facing veranda of an evening listening to the rain on the roof. You have to be a true believer to want to live somewhere like this so it isn't for me but if it makes them happy I'm happy for them. Both of your posts today, the
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: That is correct. My bad, and my most humble apologies to Barry. I only read the one paragraph, and since Barry demonizes both Ravi and Robin in very similar terms, I assumed he was referring to Robin. In their wildest dreams can anyone imagine Barry ever, ever, ever saying this to Judy? Nope, none of you can. However, my distinct recollection is that in at least one of Robin's posts he either mentioned or implied very strongly that he had considered suicide. He didn't use that term, but that isn't the only way to convey the idea. I know that when he mentioned it to me privately, it wasn't anything I was learning for the first time. And in fact, if I had thought it was only a private confidence, I would never have mentioned it publicly. Now I wonder whether Xeno wants to address Barry's ooopsie! about never reading my posts. In fact, while I'm grateful to Xeno for finding my mistake, I'm wondering whether he ever checks up on Barry's claims. I'm guessing it's only mine he checks out. That December 9, 2011 post by Barry is discussing suicide in relation to Ravi, not Robin. Robin, as maskedzebra, was also a part of the thread. My comment here is only in relation to this one item in this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is:
