Indeed. I remember working in the TMO Western Regional Office during the period
when we had been instructed to round up and send back to Switzerland any
unauthorized audio- and videotapes. This tape (Soma and the Gods) was top
on the list.
The fascinating thing is that none of these tapes
Cultmania 103. Always paint anyone who came to their senses and bailed on the
cult insanity as dead wood and as having something wrong with them.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:50
Teh statistic was skewed. For one week, the homicide rate was double the
average. THAT was what was picked up by the press and extrapolated for the
entire 8 week period.
True Believers want the research to be true Skeptics are often as desperate to
be sure that it is false. The reality is
That's got to be Cultmania 104. Always rationalise any contradictions in the
guru's teaching, by pretending they don't exist if necessary.
The lost Marshy tapes a fascinating story. When I worked at the academy one
of my jobs was clearing out and cataloguing the video collection. There was
Perhaps people on this list should travel more. Because they don't wear dhotis
or are filmed in front of Temples it can't possibly be from India :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
What was missing were sadhus dancing to this at Kumbha Mela.
On Wednesday, April
Ambiguous is as good as false. When you look at the actual US government data
for the year, broken down week by week, you can't see any drops in crime
levels, sure there are dips all over the place but the one in August is no
bigger than the one in March so if you are claiming that coherence
Europe has but a small handful of teachers teaching independently. That's
hardly a schism. There was little wrong with the deadwood that Maharishi got
rid of by raising the prices and applying new structures, they just didn't
contribute anymore. They didn't bail out but was forced out, which of
Yup, make sure that the brainwashing has held by periodically testing the faith
of the devotee. What number are we up to?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Europe has but a small handful of teachers teaching independently. That's
hardly a schism. There
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
Yup, make sure that the brainwashing has held by periodically testing the faith
of the devotee. What number are
http://vibrationcode.com/buffett-top-10-order-01
http://vibrationcode.com/buffett-top-10-order-01
For those of you who have watched the show and are looking forward to the next
season of Game Of Thrones as much as I am, these are utterly hilarious. And in
ways that totally nail the publications and reporters being parodied.
Spoiler warning passed along if you haven't watched the show so far
I just found it interesting - as I said I think, somehow this particular
document had escaped my attention. I was told during the sidhi prep courses
that we produce soma in the stomach and only if we have soma being produced can
we have experiences of higher states of consciousness. That's what
my revulsion is the idea that Marshy would teach this crap - as the writer of
the article said, Marshy was the only one around who taught this stuff. It
smacks of not just Hinduism but really superstitious Hinduism. If you can
believe what Chopra wrote about M after he croaked, he was a
And thank you for giving your memory of this - another piece of info I had no
idea of - that the TM teachers could and did buy these tapes.
On Thu, 4/3/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
when you have riots and murders in the place where the largest Dome numbers are
at least 5 and a half percent of the population, that pretty much kills the
idea the ME exists at all.
On Thu, 4/3/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I noticed the background in one scene were mall stores including Louis Vuitton
and the like. Perhaps that's your idea of Indian. Looks to me like they
probably didn't get much past the airport in any of the locations. On the
other hand, I only watched a snippet of two of them.
---In
I've read most of the books - thus far they are doing a damn fine job of
bringing the books to life on the screen
On Thu, 4/3/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] If the Media Reported on Game Of Thrones
To:
Am I missing something, because isn't that what the 10th mandala is about in
just about every verse. So even though it's been some 20 plus years since I
listened to it, that's my recollection.
Evidently that is something the Vedas concern themselves with. Do you
consider this revelation?
Its the ninth mandala actually, but it was never phrased so that I remember -
also it is significant that M who always claimed publicly to offer a technique
that is non-religious to covertly tell everyone inthe room point blank that the
purpose of meditation is to refine the body so it produces
Sez Barry, making his first mistakes for today because he was so eager to take
another shot that he didn't bother to read what Buck wrote: That doesn't mean
much of the 'deadwood' isn't not loyal and many go to assemblies etc. IOW, the
deadwood were NOT all people who came to their senses and
BTW, here's the transcript of the tape:
http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/soma/soma2.shtml
http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/soma/soma2.shtml
Answering my own question below: It's definitely the Trancenet writer's image,
not Maharishi's, as you'll see if you read the
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
my revulsion is the idea that Marshy would teach this crap - as the writer of
the
TM teachers paid for pretty much *everything* they gave away at the TM centers
or otherwise distributed or made available to meditators there. Tapes, promo
materials, books, etc. Many people who never became TM teachers themselves seem
to think that these materials were somehow provided by the
Salyavin, I posted a link to the study. Have a look at it, please, in
particular the explanation of the methodology. It's a lot more complicated than
you think to determine whether the rate actually went down during the study
period. The issue is whether, in the absence of the meditating group,
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com;
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] If the Media Reported on Game Of Thrones
I've read most of the books - thus far
Jesus Christ! That's like saying wonder how blue the sky would be if I had not
gotten out of bed at 6 am? Wonder how many people would eat a steak tonight If
I had not bought that porterhouse at the store? it is nonsense. If as Sal has
said they could show a SIGNIFICANT drop in ANYTHING besides
I have read that tourism is up quite a bit in the areas where the series is
filmed. One of the things you'll find in the books is a good deal of history
and back story that don't make it into the series for obvious reasons. And if
you think there is some brutal crap in the films, wait'll you
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Cultmania 103. Always paint anyone who came to their senses and bailed on the
cult insanity as dead wood and as having something wrong with them.
Gee, I guess that means that when I bailed on Robin 28 years ago and blew
the
What a bunch of manipulative honking you haters are doing against TM here. You
are cherry-picking some 'god' comments and making your own assumptions just to
make an argument. Reading the transcript, he's talking and using allegory to
lay out an inquiry to make a scientific design. Taking
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
I just found it interesting - as I said I think, somehow this particular
document had escaped my attention. I was told during the sidhi prep courses
that we produce soma in the stomach and only if we have soma being produced can
http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/soma/index.shtml
http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/soma/index.shtml
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Its the ninth mandala actually, but it was never phrased so that I remember -
also it is significant that M who
Thanks for the encouragement, jr. Spring rains happening here today. Yep, I am
running low of time indoors now with the end of winter here in Iowa. Still got
some things remaining that are unfinished here. I never finished my paper on
Quaker meditators coming to Fairfield. A long time ago I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
BTW, here's the transcript of the tape:
http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/soma/soma2.shtml
http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/soma/soma2.shtml
Answering my own question below: It's definitely the Trancenet
and God almighty David if you can read the transcript of the tape and believe
he was talking science, then you have been breathing in too much GMO crop dust.
On Thu, 4/3/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject:
you are hilarious! I recall someone on the sidhi preps asked something like
that - a nurse I think she was and the Governors said the soma would be there,
but would be too subtle to detect with current scientific equipment.
On Thu, 4/3/14,
Look, I happened to run across the reference because I was looking up what was
out there on soma. I read the first page and then the transcript of the tape.
It seems clear to me that he was in fact NOT using allegory. One has to
remember, he was a devout Hindu, not a secular man. He really
Oh, dear. No, Michael. Would you say the same thing about placebo-controlled
clinical trials of new drugs? Because it's the same principle. It's just that
you can't have a D.C. in June and July with meditators (the drug) and a D.C. in
June and July without meditators (the placebo) at the same
Actually, as I recall, they were planning to do some studies to see whether
soma could be detected. Whether they ever did them, with no result, or called
them off, I don't know.
You are hilarious! I recall someone on the sidhi preps asked something like
that - a nurse I think she was and the
So you saw a Louis Vuitton shop and gathered it couldn't be India ? If you
have a valid passport perhaps you should travel more. According to the Turq
only 15% of the Americans have a valid passport. Use it if you have one.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
I
Actually, Michael, his name is Doug not David. Just to help everyone keep
track, etc.
On Thu, 4/3/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday,
Whenever the Turq writes about cults here be sure to read it. He is after all
the only member of this group that has been in a cult. Not only that, but with
a cult-leader who claimed to be a Buddhist.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808
Ann, I think it would be pretty involved and costly for the TMO to perform
endoscopies on hundreds of sidhas in order to have a valid study about soma in
the stomach! For one thing, I've always been put under when I have mine done.
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:49 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
Judy, I've gotten the impression over the years that the TMO prefers to do non
invasive procedures for finding the physiological correlates of long term TM
and TMSP. One non invasive avenue they could take with regards to soma in the
stomach, is to test long term TMers for good digestion,
Another great Game Of Thrones LOL-fest from the same guy at BuzzFeed who wrote
the other one. Same spoiler warning applies.
12 Charts Only Game Of Thrones Fans Will Understand
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Steve, one of the meta issues that fascinates me about all this is how in
Catholicism we supposedly ingest the body and blood of Christ. What it suggests
to me is something that the mythologist Joseph Campbell might notice, that in
all cultures around the world, there's some notion of ingesting
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods
And then there's the whole issue of scientists' finding brain cells in the
stomach...
Not a
Actually, they wouldn't have to do endoscopies on hundreds of sidhas. Why
would you need that many? Remember, what they'd be looking for is an unfamiliar
substance never before documented to exist in the human stomach. All you'd need
would be a few samples of the substance. Then you'd have to
turq, read it and weep: There are over 100 million brain cells in your gut...
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-18779997
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Right, Judy and that's another reason why the whole issue seems extremely
challenging. Theoretically they could even find soma in the blood. But, as you
say, it would have to be identified as soma, etc. As I mentioned in another
post to you, I think it's more practical to make predictions about
Michael, one way I think about all this is in terms of energy, vibration,
resonance and amplification. Indra can be thought of as the word that some
people use to describe an energy or frequency that is all around us. A
scientist might designate it by a certain amount of hertz or a certain
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Actually, as I recall, they were planning to do some studies to see whether
soma could be detected. Whether they ever did them, with no result, or called
them off, I don't know.
You are hilarious! I recall someone on the sidhi
Steve, pretty funny that in the midst of all these Soma and the Gods posts, I
received an ad with Subject line: This stuff is God in a bottle!
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:41 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com
steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Am I missing something, because isn't that what the 10th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think it would be pretty involved and costly for the TMO to perform
endoscopies on hundreds of sidhas in order to have a valid study about soma in
the stomach! For one thing, I've always been put under when I have mine
Ann, I think this is probably my favourite Dave Barry piece, because it
highlights the differences in the way different human minds interpret
experience.
I am, you may be surprised to learn, in 100 percent agreement with you and Doug
on this. I'd add that IMO, Maharishi understood Life, the Universe, and
Everything on the purely metaphysical level, the common denominator, as it
were, of science and religion and every other area of human
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Ann, I think this is probably my favourite Dave Barry piece, because it
highlights the differences in the way different human minds interpret
experience.
Yes, and might explain some of the goings on here at FFL. I also love
Judy, this reminds me of when I was a really new TMer in Dec 1975 and Maharishi
attended a physics conference at MIU and someone said, about the alleged
connection between TM and physics: Maharishi, what if it turns out NOT to be
true. And I'm paraphrasing what Maharishi said: then we will
For what should be obvious reasons, this two-parter is one of my all-time Dave
Barry faves:
Parlez-vous Français?
An Aesthetically Challenged American in Paris (Part II)
From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
So during the pundit riot events, I saw the R-1 Visa thing where the pundits
are designated as religious workers, and the federal guidelines say they have
to be sponsored by a non-profit religious organization or an outfit that is
affiliated with a religious organization. And I got to thinking
Thanks, Ann and turq, I LOVE Dave Barry and in my mischievous moments, thought
it would be fun if he visited FF (-:
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
For what should be obvious reasons, this two-parter is one of my all-time Dave
Barry faves:
thanks for telling that - do you recall if Marshy blew out the candle for her
Highness? Wonder what other tapes were in there, p'raps Marshy praising Adolf?
On Thu, 4/3/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Game of Thrones was not my cuppa tea so I didn't even watch it when
I had HBO. I'm sure there will be a lot more complaining this year
because in the US you often pay a $90 or more tax a month to watch HBO.
That is in the form of your monthly cable or satellite bill. If the
past Thrones
Yeah, welcome to the mid-west, home of killer tornadoes. Trade one
disaster for another. Chances of survival with an earthquake are much
higher than those of surviving a tornado.
On 04/02/2014 08:38 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
I certainly feel that as meditators you should all move
Rory is leaving Fairfield to live in Florida, and perhaps also the Pundits are
leaving. The Americans better start going to the Domes asap to avert the danger
that has not yet come.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Yeah, welcome to the mid-west, home of killer
Well folks, I found it. Photographic document showing Marshy interacting with
his very first guru. That's Marshy on the left.
Nablusoss, I love it when I get FF news from people in other countries! Plus,
Rick just posted that Rory was resuming satsang on Wednesday nights!
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:49 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Rory is leaving Fairfield to live in Florida, and perhaps
As you accuse me of being unobjective I'm not going to bother reading the link
you posted. I've thought long and hard about this stuff for years, read all the
research (even had a set of the collective papers). I've probably read it
before anyway but even if I haven't everything I say about it
14 And God said unto Moses, [1] I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou
say unto the children of Israel, [2] I AM hath sent me unto you. [1) Or I AM,
BECAUSE I AM ; Or I AM WHO AM ; Or I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE 2) Heb Ehyeh ; From
the same root as Jehovah (without nikkud cholem over the
Like I have said and TB'ers ignore - Fairfield, Iowa - 300 pundits, at least
200 other TMSP'ers doing program twice a day. Fairfield Iowa current population
9,476 people - about 5 1/2% of the population doing TMSP - FAR more than
square root of 1%. Fairfield Iowa, crime free? Accident Free?
Yeah he also said he would kill anybody that pissed against the wall too.
1 Kings 16:11
And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne,
that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against
a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his
Indeed, and why bother? Anyone who has read the 9th Mandala of the Rig Veda
will know it's a drink made from plant extracts.
Soma (Sanskrit सोम sóma), or Haoma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haoma (Avestan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avestan), from Proto-Indo-Iranian
This is first of all, quite funny and I think you should turn it into a novel -
the premise is quite good.
On Thu, 4/3/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] SuperDooperStition
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] SuperDooperStition
This is first of all, quite funny and I think you should turn it into a novel -
the premise is quite good.
Thanks. I had
Somehow the post title reminds me of Reuben and the Jets. (Or maybe
Soma and the Gods would make a good band name).
So the vedic seers were meth heads? :-D
On 04/03/2014 11:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Indeed, and why bother? Anyone who has read the 9th Mandala of the Rig
Veda will know it's
Must have been something excitable, what with all the trouble they gave the
black skinned Rakshasas in the Golden Age...
I think Soma and the Gods would make an excellent band name.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Somehow the post title reminds me of Reuben and
What is utopian-ism?
“I went to a lecture at the U. of Ia. in Iowa City the other nite given by a
visiting classicist professor and went out to dinner with him after. In
discussing [Meditating] Fairfield, Iowa he broke from what we were saying at a
point and declared that he [a classicist]
First of all, you referred to the TM critics who portray Lawson as a cult
apologist, not you specifically, Salyavin. I was thinking primarily of Barry
and Michael in any case. What cult apologist is going to acknowledge that the
study results were ambiguous?
(Minor point, but we don't know
Up more recently, TM and describing aspects of utopianism:
Born in 1927, Norman Zierold grew up in the Amana colonies, a Germanic Utopian
community in Iowa... . .. .
“I remember how aspects of Utopia had colored my days from the very beginning,
when I was born into a community that expected
You mean, anyone who has read the Ninth Mandala in the translation TM uses will
know that's how the Ninth Mandala in that translation describes soma. But they
won't necessarily know to what degree that description is
symbolic/poetic/metaphorical rather than literal, or even whether the original
Also did not get to finish utopian-ism and Fairfield neither.
Dang.
What is utopian-ism?
Thanks though for the encouragement, jr. Spring rains happening here today.
Yep, I am running low of time indoors now with the end of winter here in
Iowa. Still got some things remaining that are
Oh yeah! I had forgotten that all the demons in the vedas are said to be black
skinned! That'll create controversy and sell more books and films!
On Thu, 4/3/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and
Michael, with all due respect, you are not an expert on Hinduism, or even
superstitious Hinduism for that matter. I think we saw that last week. So you
have an opinion on the relationship of Soma and the Vedic Gods, but it is just
your interpretation, unless you claim to be able to decipher
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Likewise, your notion that if there was anything to the Maharishi Effect, it
should have immediately resulted in a huge decrease in the crime rate is
absurd.
Why? If it works for some why not everyone. Why does the unified
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Evidence from Cassini spacecraft suggests a large body of liquid water beneath
the surface of Saturn's moon EnceladusResearchers have discovered a deep
saltwater ocean on one of the many small moons that orbit Saturn
Are you for real?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
You mean, anyone who has read the Ninth Mandala in the translation TM uses
will know that's how the Ninth Mandala in that translation describes soma. But
they won't necessarily know to what degree that description
Who says that the Maharishi Effect converts anyone?
Here is MY understanding of the Maharishi Effect:
TM, by its very nature, has a beneficial effect on the practitioners AND on
their surroundings. Group TM, by the nature of synergy, has a greater effect
than TM practiced outside of
Nab,
I have no doubt. No doubt whatsoever that there are Louis Vuitton shops in
India, as well as Channel and Gucci, and every other luxury brand. Malls in
every part of the world are similar.
But if I were trying to show something uniquely Indian, that is not what I
would highlight,
You know Share, some people compare it to cannibalism. I don't. I don't see
anything wrong with it. As rituals go, it seems as good a one as any. I don't
know if it was corrupted along the way somehow. It's been a while since I've
read the Bible, but supposedly that's the way it played out
you shot your erudite arguments all to hell by saying there were no grandiose
claims - that's all TM is, is grandiose claims - spin don't have shit to do
with it. marshy was a liar, a con artist, a Hindu fanatic and very
superstitious. If you wanna argue superstition, try telling Turq that he
That is how I have generally understood these forces of nature described in the
Vedas.
I think I mentioned before, that for some reason I always associated the
Troop of Maruts as perhaps rain bearing clouds.
I would enjoy seeing connections being made.
---In
If Unity Consciousness is a reality, if God Consiousness is reality, in my
opinion there would be some chemical produced that would be partly responsible
for that. Soma sounds as good as any.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, pretty funny that in the
On 4/2/2014 7:53 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Soma and the Gods
What would it take, MJ, for you to do a simple search on topics BEFORE
you post your questions? Let's see now, how many years has it been since
I've been posting messages about SOMA to Google Groups and Yahoo Groups?
Ten years?
On 4/2/2014 10:49 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
But do you really think they needed this to try to make a case of
Hindu roots for TM?
The roots of TM can be found in the ascetic tradition of the indigenous
inhabitants of South India - based on the yoga tradition; the yogins
and ascetics
that is bullshit - that means that supposed enlightenment is NOT something that
we already are, that we just don't pay attention to - that means that it is
dependent on a chemical.
On Thu, 4/3/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Who says that the Maharishi Effect converts anyone?
Not me, what are you talking about? Oh, I see I convert for evidence that
means that you have to prove it before I take it seriously. I haven't seen any
worth chucking out my
Have a go at answering the rest of the points I raised?? You mean, the ones
where you put words in my mouth? OK...
I can only assume you think I'm not objective because I don't agree with you
about it.
Wrong. You made that up.
As I told you, I'm skeptical myself. But I have excellent
Bit of a problem responding intelligently, eh, Salyavin?
Are you for real?
You mean, anyone who has read the Ninth Mandala in the translation TM uses
will know that's how the Ninth Mandala in that translation describes soma. But
they won't necessarily know to what degree that
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
you shot your erudite arguments all to hell by saying there were no grandiose
claims - that's all TM is, is grandiose claims - spin don't have shit to do
with it. marshy was a liar, a con artist, a Hindu fanatic and very
Michael aside from the philosophical question of we are enlightened, we just
aren't aware of it, what I am speculating is that if there are states of
enlightenment, and I believe there are, there are likely to be unique chemicals
that either help produce the state, or are a byproduct of it.
On 4/3/2014 1:34 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
The whole IDEA of them is that these supposed gods and goddesses are
so neurotic and so insecure that they'll respond to being praised by
puny-ass humans praying to them and offering them fruit and hankies
and large sums of cash.
You probably
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