[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
Frank is a nice guy but sometimes he gets a little carried away :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
Where did you get this idea, it was never my intention Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself The reason I pointed to your big hat wasn't to try to make you feel bad but because you have the nerve to verbally abuse the only Saint you ever met. That's showing quite some nerve and doesn't correspond very well to how I see you come through in RL. You are not the exception that can sit in a glass house throwing stones and get away with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I appreciate the kind intention behind your post Ann, thanks. All professional performing artists have weathered the real shit-storm of criticism which is the development stage where we are trying to match in execution what we hear or see in our heads. This is a long period of self flagellation where your chops are not able to pull off what you dream about. Then they begin to match more closely. This process continues forever as you set your own bar higher, but at some point for me I was sounding how I wanted to sound. I know some artists live in a world of the glass half full, but somehow I have a comfort with what I am doing while still keeping goals of what I want to do. I believe that it is the inner critic that is more responsible for derailing possible artists than external ones during the growth stage. You have to suck for a long time by your OWN standards to become a performer. I have taped my shows my whole career and notice that many performers hate to do this. I recently convinced a guitar student of mine to do this even though he really did not want to. But with that feedback, painful at first, he was able to tighten up all sorts of things quickly by hearing it all objectively after performing, and letting his inner critic have a voice. After I got the sound I wanted I had to find people who shared my taste. That is a key way to frame it because people who don't share my taste in blues style will NEVER like my music. And it goes both ways too. I had two gigs at the National Theater last week. It is a prestige gig and it gives me pride to say that I was chosen to play there. But inside it doesn't alter one bit how I feel about my music. When I saw the videos of my performances I still had things I wished I had done differently and things I was proud of by my own internal standard. The same mix just like EVERY other gig! Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself. Little do they know that their dickishnes could NEVER match the inner tyrant who drives me to be the kind of musician I want to be. And that is the one that I can never escape from. I'm sure you understand this from your own passionate pursuits. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an ARTIST, C: You'll get no argument from me here Nabbie. I have been lobbying for years to get people to refer to me in their contracts as Mojo Scientist but they continue to insist that music is part of the arts. N: then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig. C: Well in defense of hurt pigs, they don't train for years to sound like that, so I hardly think it is fair to blame them for sounding like me by choice. LIke I've said before, I hate it when people attack the art of an artist in order to deal some sort of personal body blow that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I love and respect your music and your drive toward the art form and the passion that characterizes the blues from the earlier time period you embrace. You put an incredible amount of energy and love into expressing that music and I really dig it, on all sorts of levels. Just wanted to say that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 11:57 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: On 4/19/2014 6:09 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I just laugh at your obsession with using poor dead Fred as a baseball bat to hit Barry over the head with. Yes, it is funny - I use poor dead Fred as a baseball bat every time Barry uses poor dead Marshy as a baseball. LoL! At least Richard can admit to being a cultist, and to what triggers his use of cult tactics. For the record, it was Barry that was in a cult, not Richard. So, we should be thanking Barry for alerting us to the dangers of cults and cult participation. Now we know what cults can do to people and what people might do if they are in a trance-induction state. Sometimes people can even get brain-washed into believing strange things like levitation and other stuff. People that are highly suggestible can be easily coerced into working for the cult and giving money to the cult leader - printing up posters and flyers at their own expense and renting lecture halls for stage shows. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea? Where did you get this idea, it was never my intention Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself The reason I pointed to your big hat wasn't to try to make you feel bad but because you have the nerve to verbally abuse the only Saint you ever met. That's showing quite some nerve and doesn't correspond very well to how I see you come through in RL. You are not the exception that can sit in a glass house throwing stones and get away with it. So in other words you're ADMITTING to being a cultist, and to attacking someone personally because they dissed your cult leader Maharishi. Again, as with Richard yesterday, at least you admit it. Several here still cannot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I appreciate the kind intention behind your post Ann, thanks. All professional performing artists have weathered the real shit-storm of criticism which is the development stage where we are trying to match in execution what we hear or see in our heads. This is a long period of self flagellation where your chops are not able to pull off what you dream about. Then they begin to match more closely. This process continues forever as you set your own bar higher, but at some point for me I was sounding how I wanted to sound. I know some artists live in a world of the glass half full, but somehow I have a comfort with what I am doing while still keeping goals of what I want to do. I believe that it is the inner critic that is more responsible for derailing possible artists than external ones during the growth stage. You have to suck for a long time by your OWN standards to become a performer. I have taped my shows my whole career and notice that many performers hate to do this. I recently convinced a guitar student of mine to do this even though he really did not want to. But with that feedback, painful at first, he was able to tighten up all sorts of things quickly by hearing it all objectively after performing, and letting his inner critic have a voice. After I got the sound I wanted I had to find people who shared my taste. That is a key way to frame it because people who don't share my taste in blues style will NEVER like my music. And it goes both ways too. I had two gigs at the National Theater last week. It is a prestige gig and it gives me pride to say that I was chosen to play there. But inside it doesn't alter one bit how I feel about my music. When I saw the videos of my performances I still had things I wished I had done differently and things I was proud of by my own internal standard. The same mix just like EVERY other gig! Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself. Little do they know that their dickishnes could NEVER match the inner tyrant who drives me to be the kind of musician I want to be. And that is the one that I can never escape from. I'm sure you understand this from your own passionate pursuits. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an ARTIST, C: You'll get no argument from me here Nabbie. I have been lobbying for years to get people to refer to me in their contracts as Mojo Scientist but they continue to insist that music is part of the arts. N: then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig. C: Well in defense of hurt pigs, they don't train for years to sound like that, so I hardly think it is fair to blame them for sounding like me by choice. LIke I've said before, I hate it when people attack the art of an artist in order to deal some sort of personal body blow that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I love and respect your music and your drive toward the art form and the passion that characterizes the blues from the earlier time period you embrace. You put an incredible amount of energy and love into expressing that music and I really dig it, on all sorts of levels. Just wanted to say that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: documentary Brahmchari Ashutosh has made about the Vedic schools:
Did you watch the video ? These are small children, many of them not even 10 years old ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I find the pictures and video of Yogic flyers in Latin America much more charming to watch, those guys look spontaneous and sincere joyous hops, these boys look like they are only engaged in an athletic competition, it creeps me out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: documentary Brahmchari Ashutosh has made about the Vedic schools:
On another note I'd say it's disappointing that you wish to make a negative comment on a 13 second clip from video of 57 minutes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I find the pictures and video of Yogic flyers in Latin America much more charming to watch, those guys look spontaneous and sincere joyous hops, these boys look like they are only engaged in an athletic competition, it creeps me out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian cosmonaut on crop circles, and stuff
Thanks for posting ! It's interesting that the Russians are open about this. The Truth comes from the East, as usual :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain injury makes man a math genius
Fascinating. Less is generally so not more with brain injury. I've had experience of someone close to me suffering serious brain damage, depending which part is damaged they generally have a period of confusion, even psychosis, until the rest of the brain takes over whatever functions are missing. I met a lot of people in various stages of recovery while helping my friend and only one of them had their life improved, for everyone else it's a major struggle. She had been in a destructive relationship and had an unfulfilling career. But then she had a stroke and it seemed to knock out that part of the brain that kept her insecure enough not to try and change anything. After rehab she ditched the crap bloke, retrained as a teacher and now works at the local high school. That's very unusual though. And it's obviously completely different to this guys experience. Immediately I wonder what stops the rest of us having these experiences all the time if it's a matter of brain wiring. Here's a thought: we all have innate mathematical abilities, they help us do the calculations to catch say, a ball in mid air, or cycle down a path in the woods. There must be millions of complex working outs going on subconsciously to help us deal with every aspect of life that don't reach the threshold of consciousness. Maybe this guy had some part of his brain that regulates that removed or altered in some way and he now sees the world partly how his unconscious mind does. I'm sure we've all had that experience of someone buying a particular type of car and suddenly we see them everywhere, it's being brought to our attention by some unconscious process. We know that we are only conscious of things that are deemed useful or relevant to us, maybe we could see it all but evolution has given us only the capability we have to stop us getting overwhelmed. Actually, a lot of what he says sounds like an LSD trip and that seems to involve a breakdown between what we are normally allowed see and some dream-creation centre taking over the running of conscious awareness. Total speculation but like LSD, it reminds us that we only get a limited view of the potential that is there. Interesting stuff. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : What are the implications? For the nature of consciousness, perhaps for reincarnation? First paragraph of an excerpt from the book Struck By Genius: How a Brain Injury Made Me a Mathematical Marvel http://www.amazon.com/Struck-Genius-Injury-Mathematical-Marvel/dp/0544045602/?tag=saloncom08-20 at Salon.com: If you could see the world through my eyes, you would know how perfect it is, how much order runs through it, and how much structure is hidden in its tiniest parts. We’re so often victims of things—I see the violence too, the disease, the poverty stretching far and wide—but the universe itself and everything we can touch and all that we are is made of the most beautiful geometric patterns imaginable. I know because they’re right in front of me. Because of a traumatic brain injury, the result of a brutal physical attack, I’ve been able to see these patterns for over a decade. This change in my perception was really a change in my brain function, the result of the injury and the extraordinary and mostly positive way my brain healed. All of a sudden, the patterns were just . . . there, and I realize now that my injury was a rare gift. I’m lucky to have survived, but for me, the real miracle—what really saved me—was being introduced to and almost overwhelmed by the mathematical grace of the universe. Read more: http://www.salon.com/2014/04/20/the_brain_injury_that_made_me_a_math_genius/ http://www.salon.com/2014/04/20/the_brain_injury_that_made_me_a_math_genius/ It's an astonishing story; I have no idea what to make of it. Seems like the guy acquired OCD along with his new math abilities, but he doesn't seem to mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain injury makes man a math genius
Did you ever see the film Phenomenon? It stars John Travolta (yeah, I know, but this *was* one of his best performances) as a guy who is out one night, looks up into the sky and sees a bright light coming down at him. It strikes him, knocks him unconscious, and when he wakes up he's vastly different -- genius-level IQ, able to learn entire languages just by reading a textbook once, able to perform telekinesis and telepathy, etc. Natch, everyone thinks it's because of an alien encounter. The truth is actually more interesting. Worth a watch if you've never seen it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3woaPZowmM From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain injury makes man a math genius Fascinating. Less is generally so not more with brain injury. I've had experience of someone close to me suffering serious brain damage, depending which part is damaged they generally have a period of confusion, even psychosis, until the rest of the brain takes over whatever functions are missing. I met a lot of people in various stages of recovery while helping my friend and only one of them had their life improved, for everyone else it's a major struggle. She had been in a destructive relationship and had an unfulfilling career. But then she had a stroke and it seemed to knock out that part of the brain that kept her insecure enough not to try and change anything. After rehab she ditched the crap bloke, retrained as a teacher and now works at the local high school. That's very unusual though. And it's obviously completely different to this guys experience. Immediately I wonder what stops the rest of us having these experiences all the time if it's a matter of brain wiring. Here's a thought: we all have innate mathematical abilities, they help us do the calculations to catch say, a ball in mid air, or cycle down a path in the woods. There must be millions of complex working outs going on subconsciously to help us deal with every aspect of life that don't reach the threshold of consciousness. Maybe this guy had some part of his brain that regulates that removed or altered in some way and he now sees the world partly how his unconscious mind does. I'm sure we've all had that experience of someone buying a particular type of car and suddenly we see them everywhere, it's being brought to our attention by some unconscious process. We know that we are only conscious of things that are deemed useful or relevant to us, maybe we could see it all but evolution has given us only the capability we have to stop us getting overwhelmed. Actually, a lot of what he says sounds like an LSD trip and that seems to involve a breakdown between what we are normally allowed see and some dream-creation centre taking over the running of conscious awareness. Total speculation but like LSD, it reminds us that we only get a limited view of the potential that is there. Interesting stuff. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : What are the implications? For the nature of consciousness, perhaps for reincarnation? First paragraph of an excerpt from the book Struck By Genius: How a Brain Injury Made Me a Mathematical Marvel at Salon.com: If you could see the world through my eyes, you would know how perfect it is, how much order runs through it, and how much structure is hidden in its tiniest parts. We’re so often victims of things—I see the violence too, the disease, the poverty stretching far and wide—but the universe itself and everything we can touch and all that we are is made of the most beautiful geometric patterns imaginable. I know because they’re right in front of me. Because of a traumatic brain injury, the result of a brutal physical attack, I’ve been able to see these patterns for over a decade. This change in my perception was really a change in my brain function, the result of the injury and the extraordinary and mostly positive way my brain healed. All of a sudden, the patterns were just . . . there, and I realize now that my injury was a rare gift. I’m lucky to have survived, but for me, the real miracle—what really saved me—was being introduced to and almost overwhelmed by the mathematical grace of the universe. Read more: http://www.salon.com/2014/04/20/the_brain_injury_that_made_me_a_math_genius/ It's an astonishing story; I have no idea what to make of it. Seems like the guy acquired OCD along with his new math abilities, but he doesn't seem to mind.
[FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
I see what you mean about entities, or components And yes, you are right, introducing rebirth, or reincarnation does necessitate entities. You look at the accounts indicating rebirth and find them lacking. I look at the accounts and find many of them credible. And so, the point I was making at the outset is that if somehow these accounts are found to be credible, or if the preponderance of evidence seems to suggest such, or if such a time comes when something such as a causal body can be measured, then yes, I would say that an atheist would then be required to acknowledge that there must be some organizing body or entities at work to maintain order in this process.. I am not saying it proves the existence of God. All I am saying is that it might force a door open that an atheist might not be comfortable seeing cracked open.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities I see what you mean about entities, or components And yes, you are right, introducing rebirth, or reincarnation does necessitate entities. You look at the accounts indicating rebirth and find them lacking. I look at the accounts and find many of them credible. And so, the point I was making at the outset is that if somehow these accounts are found to be credible, or if the preponderance of evidence seems to suggest such, or if such a time comes when something such as a causal body can be measured, then yes, I would say that an atheist would then be required to acknowledge that there must be some organizing body or entities at work to maintain order in this process.. I am not saying it proves the existence of God. All I am saying is that it might force a door open that an atheist might not be comfortable seeing cracked open. And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
Its this kind of shit that makes people realize the extreme cult thinking that can take place in the TM Movement - thank you for posting and confirming the cult mentality On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 3:08 AM Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
Like you don't believe this!!! On Mon, 4/21/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 7:39 AM Frank is a nice guy but sometimes he gets a little carried away :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
Well, if there were a disagreement between Big Bopper Bevan and Craig Pearson about some aspect of MUM's running, who do you think would win the argument? On Mon, 4/21/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 10:26 AM Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
So Goddess Tara isn't a God :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities I see what you mean about entities, or components And yes, you are right, introducing rebirth, or reincarnation does necessitate entities. You look at the accounts indicating rebirth and find them lacking. I look at the accounts and find many of them credible. And so, the point I was making at the outset is that if somehow these accounts are found to be credible, or if the preponderance of evidence seems to suggest such, or if such a time comes when something such as a causal body can be measured, then yes, I would say that an atheist would then be required to acknowledge that there must be some organizing body or entities at work to maintain order in this process.. I am not saying it proves the existence of God. All I am saying is that it might force a door open that an atheist might not be comfortable seeing cracked open. And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
Nice blog. I enjoyed reading it. Those were fun times. MJ, I am sorry that you are so angry that you can not appreciate them now. Rick Archer once asked Ammachi about spiritual dissonance of different teachers. She asked, did you gain anything of value? He affirmed he did. She gave a good answer then, “If you are walking along and find a diamond in a pile of shit what do you do?” .. . “Pick it out and wash it off.” was her answer. .. . Sage advice. It seems sad you just keep stepping in the shit and track it all around now. -Buck mjackson74 writes: Its this kind of shit that makes people realize the extreme cult thinking that can take place in the TM Movement - thank you for posting and confirming the cult mentality srijau mailto:srijau@...wrote: Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 3:08 AM .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
Om, hands down Bevan is the most powerful person in it. He cuts through the whole organizational flowchart. Strategically for the good of the succession of the place it would be nice to have Bevan go President Emeritus of the university now and give the job of President for someone else to use and do, like Craig Pearson. The MUM board of Trustee should act on this with some spine. Let Craig Pearson be President for a while, he is so prepared. That would be a timely and a good transition to make now. -Buck mjackson74 writes: Well, if there were a disagreement between Big Bopper Bevan and Craig Pearson about some aspect of MUM's running, who do you think would win the argument? On Mon, 4/21/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 10:26 AM Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. Well Barry, IIRC, your answer to this possibility was that there are zillions of ways this could take place, or something to that effect. So, I guess that is what works for you. As for the desperate part, I think that is something you like to pin on people when a discussion goes past what you consider a proper stopping point. You are the acting police chief in that regard I guess. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. Well, of course Barry. That fits your narrative doesn't it. People that are critical of some of the things you are say are either: desperate, cult apologists, or, wait..the grand answer -Trying to Sell Me Something. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? Oh, Barry, can you ever get out of your rut. Where did I ever say my belief in God was so strong? I've never said such a thing, and I've separated the discussion of reincarnation from the necessity of God. Are you really unable to deviate from your narrative that everyone is trying to sell you something? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. Read the discussion Barry. It's not about God. You, yourself said that there is no need to bring in God in explaining reincarnation. You know, the previous life experiences you've talked about many times. Here's what it is Barry. It is you who are afraid of this possibility. That' s why you are engaging in this shoot the message episode Be real about it Barry. Be willing to give up your beliefs if need be. You'll feel liberated. Didn't someone say that the other day? As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? Barry, once you remove the lens that anyone expressing an opinion that you may not agree with, is not trying to sell you something, I think discussion will be more fruitful. Until then, I think this is the conclusion you are likely to come to. Anyway, gotta go now. Thanks for your comments.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
Oh, and by the way, the whole impetus behind my post was that I didn't understand the way sal was using the term entities. Once he said it was comparable to components, it make more sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. Well Barry, IIRC, your answer to this possibility was that there are zillions of ways this could take place, or something to that effect. So, I guess that is what works for you. As for the desperate part, I think that is something you like to pin on people when a discussion goes past what you consider a proper stopping point. You are the acting police chief in that regard I guess. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. Well, of course Barry. That fits your narrative doesn't it. People that are critical of some of the things you are say are either: desperate, cult apologists, or, wait..the grand answer -Trying to Sell Me Something. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? Oh, Barry, can you ever get out of your rut. Where did I ever say my belief in God was so strong? I've never said such a thing, and I've separated the discussion of reincarnation from the necessity of God. Are you really unable to deviate from your narrative that everyone is trying to sell you something? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. Read the discussion Barry. It's not about God. You, yourself said that there is no need to bring in God in explaining reincarnation. You know, the previous life experiences you've talked about many times. Here's what it is Barry. It is you who are afraid of this possibility. That' s why you are engaging in this shoot the message episode Be real about it Barry. Be willing to give up your beliefs if need be. You'll feel liberated. Didn't someone say that the other day? As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? Barry, once you remove the lens that anyone expressing an opinion that you may not agree with, is not trying to sell you something, I think discussion will be more fruitful. Until then, I think this is the conclusion you are likely to come to. Anyway, gotta go now. Thanks for your comments.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
And you know what else. I gotta say that at first blush, your view and evidently the view of Buddhism sounds an awful lot like Classical Theism, in the broadest sense of word. I'd love to hear you address that. And no, I am not trying to sell it. I'd like to know how you see it differing. Forget about reincarnation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh, and by the way, the whole impetus behind my post was that I didn't understand the way sal was using the term entities. Once he said it was comparable to components, it make more sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. Well Barry, IIRC, your answer to this possibility was that there are zillions of ways this could take place, or something to that effect. So, I guess that is what works for you. As for the desperate part, I think that is something you like to pin on people when a discussion goes past what you consider a proper stopping point. You are the acting police chief in that regard I guess. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. Well, of course Barry. That fits your narrative doesn't it. People that are critical of some of the things you are say are either: desperate, cult apologists, or, wait..the grand answer -Trying to Sell Me Something. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? Oh, Barry, can you ever get out of your rut. Where did I ever say my belief in God was so strong? I've never said such a thing, and I've separated the discussion of reincarnation from the necessity of God. Are you really unable to deviate from your narrative that everyone is trying to sell you something? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. Read the discussion Barry. It's not about God. You, yourself said that there is no need to bring in God in explaining reincarnation. You know, the previous life experiences you've talked about many times. Here's what it is Barry. It is you who are afraid of this possibility. That' s why you are engaging in this shoot the message episode Be real about it Barry. Be willing to give up your beliefs if need be. You'll feel liberated. Didn't someone say that the other day? As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? Barry, once you remove the lens that anyone expressing an opinion that you may not agree with, is not trying to sell you something, I think discussion will be more fruitful. Until then, I think this is the conclusion you are likely to come to. Anyway, gotta go now. Thanks for your comments.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
or anyone for that matter ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And you know what else. I gotta say that at first blush, your view and evidently the view of Buddhism sounds an awful lot like Classical Theism, in the broadest sense of word. I'd love to hear you address that. And no, I am not trying to sell it. I'd like to know how you see it differing. Forget about reincarnation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh, and by the way, the whole impetus behind my post was that I didn't understand the way sal was using the term entities. Once he said it was comparable to components, it make more sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. Well Barry, IIRC, your answer to this possibility was that there are zillions of ways this could take place, or something to that effect. So, I guess that is what works for you. As for the desperate part, I think that is something you like to pin on people when a discussion goes past what you consider a proper stopping point. You are the acting police chief in that regard I guess. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. Well, of course Barry. That fits your narrative doesn't it. People that are critical of some of the things you are say are either: desperate, cult apologists, or, wait..the grand answer -Trying to Sell Me Something. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? Oh, Barry, can you ever get out of your rut. Where did I ever say my belief in God was so strong? I've never said such a thing, and I've separated the discussion of reincarnation from the necessity of God. Are you really unable to deviate from your narrative that everyone is trying to sell you something? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. Read the discussion Barry. It's not about God. You, yourself said that there is no need to bring in God in explaining reincarnation. You know, the previous life experiences you've talked about many times. Here's what it is Barry. It is you who are afraid of this possibility. That' s why you are engaging in this shoot the message episode Be real about it Barry. Be willing to give up your beliefs if need be. You'll feel liberated. Didn't someone say that the other day? As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? Barry, once you remove the lens that anyone expressing an opinion that you may not agree with, is not trying to sell you something, I think discussion will be more fruitful. Until then, I think this is the conclusion you are likely to come to. Anyway, gotta go now. Thanks for your comments.
[FairfieldLife] Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers
It's Easter, do the Americans finally Creep to the Cross ? http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
[and, go on your way].. Nice blog. I enjoyed reading it. Those were fun times. MJ, I am sorry that you are so angry that you can not appreciate them now. Rick Archer once asked Ammachi about spiritual dissonance of different teachers. She asked, did you gain anything of value from them? He affirmed he did. She gave a good answer then, “If you are walking along and find a diamond in a pile of shit what do you do?” .. . “Pick it out and wash it off, and go on your way.” was her answer. .. . Sage advice. It seems sad you just keep stepping in the shit and track it all around now. -Buck mjackson74 writes: Its this kind of shit that makes people realize the extreme cult thinking that can take place in the TM Movement - thank you for posting and confirming the cult mentality srijau mailto:srijau@...wrote: Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 3:08 AM ..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
I mean that although I saw and experienced a certain disconnect between what the TMO said was reality and what it actually delivered such as the assertion that TM makes you more efficient, more dynamic (remember the excellence in action blurb?) and the actual experience of dealing with the sloth, inefficiency and ineptitude of people who ran the Movement facilities I was still a starry eyed dreamer who one day hoped all the hype would come true. When I began to work for the Governor team who taught the Sidhi Prep courses - Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons, Paul Potter (who is today a raja) and the original team member Ed Hipp who was replaced by Brett Hendricks (cuz Ed was unstressing so bad he was told not to even teach TM much less sidhi preps) I saw up close and personal the unethical hypocritical behavior on the part of the people who purported to be bringing the world to enlightenment. Paul was not a bad guy, in fact he was real nice, but utterly ineffective at anything involving the real world - nice guy, good flute player, quite good graphic artist, but forget his even driving a car without breaking ten laws a minute and scaring the crap out of all his passengers. The other gov's on his team NEVER allowed him to drive anywhere unless he was by himself. Greg and Walter were a different order of asses. I started to see what the TMO was really all about through their behavior which I encountered to a greater degree with people like Chris Crowell and his ilk at MIU. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:44 AM Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
I have read English translations of the Linga Purana and there is absolutely nothing in them about a man wearing white coming along to teach TM and crown a king. This guy is just making shit up - if you like it, great. You are easily entertained. On Mon, 4/21/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:47 AM Nice blog. I enjoyed reading it. Those were fun times. MJ, I am sorry that you are so angry that you can not appreciate them now. Rick Archer once asked Ammachi about spiritual dissonance of different teachers. She asked, did you gain anything of value? He affirmed he did. She gave a good answer then, “If you are walking along and find a diamond in a pile of shit what do you do?” .. . “Pick it out and wash it off.” was her answer. .. . Sage advice. It seems sad you just keep stepping in the shit and track it all around now. -Buck mjackson74 writes: Its this kind of shit that makes people realize the extreme cult thinking that can take place in the TM Movement - thank you for posting and confirming the cult mentality srijauwrote: Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 3:08 AM .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
Even tho there is none of the Marshy is coming to save the world crap this guy is fantasizing about in the Linga Purana, there are some real gems of wisdom in it - here is a sampling of them: Omens There are some omens which are sure signs of impending death. There is a nakshatra (star) named Arundhati. (This is in the constellation Ursa Majoris.) A person who cannot see Arundhati, the Pole Star or the Milky way (Chhayapatha) is sure to die within a year. A person to whom the radiance of the sun seems to be diminished, will die within eleven months. One who dreams of vomiting gold or silver has but ten months to live. A dreamer who dreams of golden trees, cities of the gandharvas or ghosts or demons will die after nine months. If you suddenly lose or put on weight, you have but eight months to live. A person who leaves an incomplete footprint on dust or mud will not live for more than seven months. A maximum lifespan of six months is indicated if a crow, vulture or dove alights on one’s head. A person w ho is surrounded by crows when he walks or a person who is surounded by dust does not live for more than four or five months. This is also the case if one’s reflection happens to be distorted. A person who hears thunder when there are no clouds in the sky or a person who sees a rainbow in the water has but three months to live. If the reflection is incomplete, or if the reflection has a severed head, the person will die within a month. An individual who reeks of the smell of dead bodies will die within fifteen days. Ten days of life is all that is left for someone who has smoke billowing out of his head. Death is nigh if one dreams of traveling southwards in a chariot drawn by bears or monkeys. This is all the more the case if one happens to be singing or dancing while thus traveling. The implications are the same if the dreamer dreams of being submerged in a cesspool of mud. One will die soon if one dreams of being set upon by warriors dressed in black. Death is also indicated if jackals greet one at the stroke of dawn. When a lamp is extinguished, a smell of burning lingers in the air. If you cannot smell this, you will die soon. There are several more omens. The only salvation, if such omens are seen, lies in praying to Shiva. On Mon, 4/21/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:47 AM Nice blog. I enjoyed reading it. Those were fun times. MJ, I am sorry that you are so angry that you can not appreciate them now. Rick Archer once asked Ammachi about spiritual dissonance of different teachers. She asked, did you gain anything of value? He affirmed he did. She gave a good answer then, “If you are walking along and find a diamond in a pile of shit what do you do?” .. . “Pick it out and wash it off.” was her answer. .. . Sage advice. It seems sad you just keep stepping in the shit and track it all around now. -Buck mjackson74 writes: Its this kind of shit that makes people realize the extreme cult thinking that can take place in the TM Movement - thank you for posting and confirming the cult mentality srijauwrote: Rajas were part of this Lila as narrated by Linga Purana https://www.facebook.com/MaharishiVedicCookingschool/posts/10152084286875835 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 3:08 AM .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers
I wouldn't say it was discussed more like one person droning on about an absurd conspiracy theory. Why would the US government be poisoning the air? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's Easter, do the Americans finally Creep to the Cross ? http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Where did you get this idea, it was never my intention Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself The reason I pointed to your big hat wasn't to try to make you feel bad but because you have the nerve to verbally abuse the only Saint you ever met. That's showing quite some nerve and doesn't correspond very well to how I see you come through in RL. You are not the exception that can sit in a glass house throwing stones and get away with it. First Nabby, it's your opinion that MMY is a saint and for someone else to feel otherwise is hardly grounds for insults. It is just a difference of opinion. Bringing up Curtis' musical abilities (or lack of ability in your opinion) has nothing at all to do with MMY and how Curtis feels about him. I'm not trying to defend Curtis here, he doesn't require defending, but simply pointing out that referring to Curtis' musical pursuits in less than glowing terms has absolutely nothing to do with your differing opinions on Maharishi or theism or atheism or any other subject other than music. It's kind of like insulting someone's mother or bringing up the fact that they have a balding head or bad acne during a debate on climate change. Just chalk it up to one of my little pet peeves if it was something less than what I am making it out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I appreciate the kind intention behind your post Ann, thanks. All professional performing artists have weathered the real shit-storm of criticism which is the development stage where we are trying to match in execution what we hear or see in our heads. This is a long period of self flagellation where your chops are not able to pull off what you dream about. Then they begin to match more closely. This process continues forever as you set your own bar higher, but at some point for me I was sounding how I wanted to sound. I know some artists live in a world of the glass half full, but somehow I have a comfort with what I am doing while still keeping goals of what I want to do. I believe that it is the inner critic that is more responsible for derailing possible artists than external ones during the growth stage. You have to suck for a long time by your OWN standards to become a performer. I have taped my shows my whole career and notice that many performers hate to do this. I recently convinced a guitar student of mine to do this even though he really did not want to. But with that feedback, painful at first, he was able to tighten up all sorts of things quickly by hearing it all objectively after performing, and letting his inner critic have a voice. After I got the sound I wanted I had to find people who shared my taste. That is a key way to frame it because people who don't share my taste in blues style will NEVER like my music. And it goes both ways too. I had two gigs at the National Theater last week. It is a prestige gig and it gives me pride to say that I was chosen to play there. But inside it doesn't alter one bit how I feel about my music. When I saw the videos of my performances I still had things I wished I had done differently and things I was proud of by my own internal standard. The same mix just like EVERY other gig! Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself. Little do they know that their dickishnes could NEVER match the inner tyrant who drives me to be the kind of musician I want to be. And that is the one that I can never escape from. I'm sure you understand this from your own passionate pursuits. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ah Curtis yes, it's the fellow that with big letters proclaimed himself an ARTIST, C: You'll get no argument from me here Nabbie. I have been lobbying for years to get people to refer to me in their contracts as Mojo Scientist but they continue to insist that music is part of the arts. N: then posted videos to youtube where he screams like a badly hurt pig. C: Well in defense of hurt pigs, they don't train for years to sound like that, so I hardly think it is fair to blame them for sounding like me by choice. LIke I've said before, I hate it when people attack the art of an artist in order to deal some sort of personal body blow that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I love and respect your music and your drive toward the art form and the passion that characterizes the blues from the earlier time period you embrace. You put an incredible amount of energy and love into expressing that music and I really dig it,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
On 4/21/2014 3:12 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: So in other words you're ADMITTING to being a cultist, and to attacking someone personally because they dissed your cult leader Maharishi. Again, as with Richard yesterday, at least you admit it. Several here still cannot. But, it is strange that you'd want to call others cultists, when everyone knows you were the leader of two cults. Why not just ADMIT it? From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST I also saw myself portrayed on the front page of newspapers as a dangerous, evil cultist because I was in their community teaching people how to meditate for free, paying for every poster I put up, every hall I rented, ever tape or CD or book I gave away myself. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea? Where did you get this idea, it was never my intention Nabbie is not the only guy who has believed here that somehow criticizing my music would be a way to make me feel badly about myself The reason I pointed to your big hat wasn't to try to make you feel bad but because you have the nerve to verbally abuse the only Saint you ever met. That's showing quite some nerve and doesn't correspond very well to how I see you come through in RL. You are not the exception that can sit in a glass house throwing stones and get away with it. So in other words you're ADMITTING to being a cultist, and to attacking someone personally because they dissed your cult leader Maharishi. Again, as with Richard yesterday, at least you admit it. Several here still cannot. A bunch of people here can't admit all sorts of things and who made you the police of the revelation and honesty brigade? You don't have the chops or the qualificationf necessary for you to hold this self-appointed position here, Bawwwyyy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities I see what you mean about entities, or components And yes, you are right, introducing rebirth, or reincarnation does necessitate entities. You look at the accounts indicating rebirth and find them lacking. I look at the accounts and find many of them credible. And so, the point I was making at the outset is that if somehow these accounts are found to be credible, or if the preponderance of evidence seems to suggest such, or if such a time comes when something such as a causal body can be measured, then yes, I would say that an atheist would then be required to acknowledge that there must be some organizing body or entities at work to maintain order in this process.. I am not saying it proves the existence of God. All I am saying is that it might force a door open that an atheist might not be comfortable seeing cracked open. And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? This is your never-ending tactic, Bawwy. First, you set yourself up as the independent thinker who doesn't give a shit about just about anything and then you proceed to berate and belittle anyone who doesn't feel the same as you do, all the while making up characteristics almost nobody here possesses just so you have an opportunity to make yourself feel superior in some way. You've got an interesting gig going and so, so predictable.
[FairfieldLife] Project Failure, was What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
On 4/21/2014 2:58 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV This is really funny, and strange - one of the main leaders of the Lenz cult now calls his critics, cultists. Yet, he was the guy that got put into a trance-induction state and then brain-washed into working for the cult, promoting Lenz's levitation events - at his own expense. It turns out that Barry is the True Believer in God - The Last Incarnation of Lord Vishnu - Frederick Lenz III. So, the question is: why would Barry set himself up like this for failure? The answer is simple: It's all about Judy, who has never been a member of a cult. So, what are the benefits? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one except among regular posters, Emily whose daughter had a brush with one. You yourself are associated with rather non-typical beliefs in general. It does not help to accuse one of being party to the same kind of mental entrapment that one oneself is involved in. All of us show some kind of mental entrapment of which we are typically unaware. Maybe it would be valuable if first we ask ourselves 'Am I the one who is crazy?' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
On 4/21/2014 5:40 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. You are incorrect. Traditionally Buddhists throughout the Buddhist world consider that the universe contains more beings in it than are normally visible to humans. Buddhists have no objection to the existence of the Hindu Gods or Devas. Nevertheless, Buddhists can't take refuge in the gods because the gods are not Buddha. That is, they are not enlightened. All the Hindu gods, for all their power, are not the final truth of things. Power does not necessarily entail insight, and for Buddhists the gods do not have the liberating insight. But, none of this entails that the gods do not exist or that the gods cannot exert a powerful influence over our lives. Thus, the Buddhist has no problem with the gods like you seem to have. Somehow Barry seems to have don a 180 and got all mixed up. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
Michael, if you had already begun to have serious doubts about TM, etc. why did you then come to MIU?! On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I mean that although I saw and experienced a certain disconnect between what the TMO said was reality and what it actually delivered such as the assertion that TM makes you more efficient, more dynamic (remember the excellence in action blurb?) and the actual experience of dealing with the sloth, inefficiency and ineptitude of people who ran the Movement facilities I was still a starry eyed dreamer who one day hoped all the hype would come true. When I began to work for the Governor team who taught the Sidhi Prep courses - Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons, Paul Potter (who is today a raja) and the original team member Ed Hipp who was replaced by Brett Hendricks (cuz Ed was unstressing so bad he was told not to even teach TM much less sidhi preps) I saw up close and personal the unethical hypocritical behavior on the part of the people who purported to be bringing the world to enlightenment. Paul was not a bad guy, in fact he was real nice, but utterly ineffective at anything involving the real world - nice guy, good flute player, quite good graphic artist, but forget his even driving a car without breaking ten laws a minute and scaring the crap out of all his passengers. The other gov's on his team NEVER allowed him to drive anywhere unless he was by himself. Greg and Walter were a different order of asses. I started to see what the TMO was really all about through their behavior which I encountered to a greater degree with people like Chris Crowell and his ilk at MIU. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:44 AM Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
This sounds like one of Barry's paranoid fantasies--that Steve, by his own admission, wants to force atheists to be uncomfortable. There's zero indication of that in what Steve wrote. He lists some possible future scientific developments that he speculates might make an atheist uncomfortable if they were to take place. Apparently those possibilities do make Barry uncomfortable, or he wouldn't have responded as he did. So he projects his own discomfort onto Steve, who hasn't been showing the slightest degree of discomfort in this discussion. In fact, he's been going to some lengths to avoid making Barry uncomfortable. Barry, however, will take offense and blame Steve for being offensive no matter what, even accusing him of being desperate because his belief in God is so strong. This after Steve has been explicit that proof of reincarnation would not prove the existence of God. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities I see what you mean about entities, or components And yes, you are right, introducing rebirth, or reincarnation does necessitate entities. You look at the accounts indicating rebirth and find them lacking. I look at the accounts and find many of them credible. And so, the point I was making at the outset is that if somehow these accounts are found to be credible, or if the preponderance of evidence seems to suggest such, or if such a time comes when something such as a causal body can be measured, then yes, I would say that an atheist would then be required to acknowledge that there must be some organizing body or entities at work to maintain order in this process.. I am not saying it proves the existence of God. All I am saying is that it might force a door open that an atheist might not be comfortable seeing cracked open. And I'm saying you sound kind of desperate, as if -- as you admit -- forcing an imaginary atheist to be uncomfortable is your real goal. In other words, it sounds to me as just *talk* about atheism has been so uncomfortable *for you* that you want to make someone else uncomfortable in retaliation. If your belief in a God is so strong, why is it so challenged just by someone believing something different than you believe? You seem to pin almost your *entire* reason for believing in God on your desire/need to believe in reincarnation. Great...I get it...you don't want to die, and prefer to believe that you won't, and in your view you need a God to make that happen. As I've told you, I don't believe in God, and yet I sorta suspect there is something to reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists feel the same way -- they believe in reincarnation and don't believe in God. Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? This is your never-ending tactic, Bawwy. First, you set yourself up as the independent thinker who doesn't give a shit about just about anything and then you proceed to berate and belittle anyone who doesn't feel the same as you do, all the while making up characteristics almost nobody here possesses just so you have an opportunity to make yourself feel superior in some way. You've got an interesting gig going and so, so predictable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
On 4/21/2014 9:16 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one It might be time to review the definition of cult, which is usually associated with coercion. Has anyone here been coerced, forced, or held captive, by a cult org? We have observed that many former cult members and parents of cult members do more damage to their own credibility than they do to the credibility of the cults in making public presentations. Altogether too often these talks tend to be hysterical, hyperbolic, and factually inaccurate. - Bernie Seigel Study of Mind Development Groups, Sects and Cults in Ontario --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
salyavin, I agree when you say that love is measurable. But it wasn't always. Lots of stuff is measurable now that wasn't before. And some day, even more stuff that we can't measure now, will become measurable. Before, we only measured concrete, physical stuff. Now we're measuring less concrete stuff. And someday we'll be able to measure really less concrete stuff. There was a wonderful experiment at Heartmath, I think. They took a guy's skin cells and put them in a petrie dish and in a room with his wife. They had her express love towards the cells. And in another room, the guy displayed physiological components of feeling loved! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:09 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for some of it. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with the notion that only what is measurable is real. Actually, measuring (in the broadest sense) is the only tool science has. Only? Find me something that can't be measured. Oh, you know, beauty, love, stuff like that, just for starters. But love isn't a thing separate from our experience. If two people in love are sitting on a bench in the sun and the people disappear, so does the love. The sun however, doesn't disappear. But it is measurable. Love is part of our inner world only and is therefore dependent on our brains and this is where it can be measured. Maybe crudely at the moment but I bet there's a distinct chemical signature involving dopamine etc that you could look at in someone's head and know what they are experiencing. Takes the fun out of romance sure, but it's them chemicals what turn us upside down I bet. Beauty could be measurable too, you'd just have to decide on a common framework for whatever it is you want to judge. It's all part of out inner life. Why we feel such richness for things like art or landscapes is another question but one of psychology and chemistry not physics, that won't be able to help us tell love from hate. Just as the success of metal detectors in finding metal does not entail that there are no other, non-metallic aspects of reality, so too does the success of science in capturing those aspects of nature susceptible of prediction and control give us no reason to think that there are not other aspects that are not susceptible of prediction and control -- aspects we should not expect to find by the methods of science Sounds like special pleading to me. Sounds like he's got something he wants people not to be able to find. Probably why he thinks science has no place answering metaphysical questions (if that was him). It was Feser, but gee whiz, he's far from the only person to make the same point, including some scientists and (gasp) atheists. (What would Feser not want people to find??) The point applies in many different contexts, not just theism. Including me, but I'm not the one with a theistic concept I'm trying to convince the world of that I think is superior to the current scientific paradigm. And besides, his blog is where you got the idea about metaphysical concepts not being open to scientific inquiry wasn't it? If it was he was wrong. NASA won't abandon it's plans to probe the cosmic microwave background because the overall concept of universal origins is metaphysical. What he (or anyone) has to do to convince me is explain what this god thing is and, most importantly, how it can be apart from the four known forces of nature. If it's real in any sense we'll find it somehow. Even if it's a real thing like love. http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/03/rosenhouse-keeps-digging.html#more Are there methods of investigation other than measurement/prediction/control that might convincingly detect paranormal events? How would you know if you had or not? Some paranormal researchers (Lawrence Le Shan in particular) have suggested potentially fruitful systematic, social-science-like approaches. See Le Shan's book A New Science of the Paranormal: the Promise of Psychical Researchfor details. OK, if it's orderable from my local library I'll read it. If you can get it, let me know what you think. It's been awhile since I read it. (He has a new one out, Landscapes of the Mind: The Faces of Reality,which purports to be a taxonomy of consciousness, whatever that means.) It's not but I read the first page on Amazon and might give it a try anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
On 4/21/2014 6:44 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: So Goddess Tara isn't a God :-) This is where followers like Barry get really mixed up. The White Tara in Vajrayana Buddhism is Sarasvati in Hindu Sri Vidya. According to Blofield, White Tara counteracts illness and thereby helps to bring about a long life. The Tara sadhana was revealed to the Nath Siddha Tilopa in 995 C.E., who is the human father of the Karma Kagyu sect of Tibet. 'The Tantric Mysticism of Tibet' A Practical Guide to the Theory, Purpose, and Techniques of Tantric Meditation by John Blofeld Penguin, 1992 'The Cult of Tara' Magic and Ritual in Tibet by Stephen Beyer University of California Press 1992 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
I didn't have SERIOUS doubts at that time - I just chalked the governors behavior to what seemed to be an increasing preponderance of jerks in the TMO On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 2:33 PM Michael, if you had already begun to have serious doubts about TM, etc. why did you then come to MIU?! On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I mean that although I saw and experienced a certain disconnect between what the TMO said was reality and what it actually delivered such as the assertion that TM makes you more efficient, more dynamic (remember the excellence in action blurb?) and the actual experience of dealing with the sloth, inefficiency and ineptitude of people who ran the Movement facilities I was still a starry eyed dreamer who one day hoped all the hype would come true. When I began to work for the Governor team who taught the Sidhi Prep courses - Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons, Paul Potter (who is today a raja) and the original team member Ed Hipp who was replaced by Brett Hendricks (cuz Ed was unstressing so bad he was told not to even teach TM much less sidhi preps) I saw up close and personal the unethical hypocritical behavior on the part of the people who purported to be bringing the world to enlightenment. Paul was not a bad guy, in fact he was real nice, but utterly ineffective at anything involving the real world - nice guy, good flute player, quite good graphic artist, but forget his even driving a car without breaking ten laws a minute and scaring the crap out of all his passengers. The other gov's on his team NEVER allowed him to drive anywhere unless he was by himself. Greg and Walter were a different order of asses. I started to see what the TMO was really all about through their behavior which I encountered to a greater degree with people like Chris Crowell and his ilk at MIU. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:44 AM Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
On 4/21/2014 10:40 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I didn't have SERIOUS doubts at that time - I just chalked the governors behavior to what seemed to be an increasing preponderance of jerks in the TMO So, you practiced TM and TMSP for ten years before you got to MIU - and they didn't like you, or you them, so you quit. But, you're still talking about it twenty years later? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
On 4/21/2014 9:55 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So he projects his own discomfort onto Steve, who hasn't been showing the slightest degree of discomfort in this discussion. Now this is funny - according to Barry he was in a cult himself, so he projects that everyone else here must have been or is in one now. If you disagree with Barry, you are a cult apologist. LoL! I studied with a guy who could turn huge rooms in convention centers gold, to the point where even the security guards saw it, but that never made me think he was enlightened, only that he could do cool things with light. From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Two simple questions for the bhakti supporters Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: March 16, 2003 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old
Maharshi was also mentioned and his role in the Nadi text of Maharishi Shuka Deva! This according to the traditional guardians of the text who were not in any way affiliated with him and even said to have expressed some shock/horror at relating this news presumably due to what they regarded as his non-brahmin status! Certain persons who do not even read sanskrit,may or may not have read a modified/ abridged/english version and have shown their bias are not of much real interest here. I am more interested in what did Maharishi know of these prophesies and when did he learn them? I would like to hear from anyone who knows this, its more along the lines of what the prophet lady says in the first Matrix film about what is really going mess with your head!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Working for a Living
Today, I verified my IP address using this tool, so I could set up the FTP on my server: http://ipchicken.com/ http://ipchicken.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Our WAN server is a hosted server, a Dell PowerEdge blade server, up in Washington state. Our local server in our home office is fire-walled with protected with Kaspersky. We change our passwords frequently for the log-in. Our Wi-Fi access-point is encrypted. We use the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) to upload files. We think everything is secure. And, we have installed bars on all our windows and doors and we have installed some sercuritye cameras as well. We are members in good standing in our Neighborhood Watch. What I really worry about is the physical intrusion. Some team of crackers could crawl under our house, which is a pier and beam construction, when we were away at a gig or something, and saw a hole in the wood floor to make a trap-door. Then, at night when we are out cruising, the crackerjacks could sneak in and try to hack into our system to get some information about what I might post to FFL - that would be a scoop for them, I guess. Go figure. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Update your OpenSSL? ;-) On 04/10/2014 06:11 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Today I sent several pings to my server and did an internet speed test. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Just so you know, I've got a VPN working through a proxy. Huey Lewis and the News - Workin' for a Livin' - Live 1992 http://youtu.be/9N2CANatVYQ http://youtu.be/9N2CANatVYQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
On 4/21/2014 11:24 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: Look, this was your idea, Curtis. You wrote: I claim that all the proof contain either an unsupported premise or invalid inductive logic. If I pick one to show you what I mean by example, you will claim, 'that was not the good one, you cherry picked.' It's almost impossible to follow this thread anymore because it's not formatted for easy reading and reply. I don't even know who is saying what. Have any of you guys ever considered snipping? It's not complicated. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old
If by saying also mentioned you are referring to the ridiculous and false assertion that Marshy was spoken of in the Linga Purana, look for yourself - it isn't in there. That assertion and yours regarding the Nadi text is wild fantasy. On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 4:52 P Maharshi was also mentioned and his role in the Nadi text of Maharishi Shuka Deva! This according to the traditional guardians of the text who were not in any way affiliated with him and even said to have expressed some shock/horror at relating this news presumably due to what they regarded as his non-brahmin status! Certain persons who do not even read sanskrit,may or may not have read a modified/ abridged/english version and have shown their bias are not of much real interest here. I am more interested in what did Maharishi know of these prophesies and when did he learn them? I would like to hear from anyone who knows this, its more along the lines of what the prophet lady says in the first Matrix film about what is really going mess with your head!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
Since you accuse me of being a cultmember I am looking forward to your definition of said. And you better come up with something better than mental entrapment. If not you better STFU. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one except among regular posters, Emily whose daughter had a brush with one. You yourself are associated with rather non-typical beliefs in general. It does not help to accuse one of being party to the same kind of mental entrapment that one oneself is involved in. All of us show some kind of mental entrapment of which we are typically unaware. Maybe it would be valuable if first we ask ourselves 'Am I the one who is crazy?' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV
[FairfieldLife] Re: Project Failure, was What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
This would be very funny, if it wasn't the tragic truth :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/21/2014 2:58 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV This is really funny, and strange - one of the main leaders of the Lenz cult now calls his critics, cultists. Yet, he was the guy that got put into a trance-induction state and then brain-washed into working for the cult, promoting Lenz's levitation events - at his own expense. It turns out that Barry is the True Believer in God - The Last Incarnation of Lord Vishnu - Frederick Lenz III. So, the question is: why would Barry set himself up like this for failure? The answer is simple: It's all about Judy, who has never been a member of a cult. So, what are the benefits? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers
This is the second time you demand others to watch and explain videos or photos for you to understand simple ideas. If you weren't so infinitely lazy you would have known the reason why chemtrails have been going on for decades already. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I wouldn't say it was discussed more like one person droning on about an absurd conspiracy theory. Why would the US government be poisoning the air? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's Easter, do the Americans finally Creep to the Cross ? http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
anyone who thinks the old fraud Marshy was a saint or Benjy Creme, also an old fraud who ripped off his Maitreya riff from CW Leadbeater, is schmoozing with avatars might be said to have a cultish sort of mind-set. You just seem to like anyone who claims to be superior, the greatest, beyond all others and by following these liars you get to emotionally and mentally participate in fake greatness. Kind-a like most cult followers do. On Mon, 4/21/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 6:26 PM Since you accuse me of being a cultmember I am looking forward to your definition of said. And you better come up with something better than mental entrapment. If not you better STFU. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one except among regular posters, Emily whose daughter had a brush with one. You yourself are associated with rather non-typical beliefs in general. It does not help to accuse one of being party to the same kind of mental entrapment that one oneself is involved in. All of us show some kind of mental entrapment of which we are typically unaware. Maybe it would be valuable if first we ask ourselves 'Am I the one who is crazy?' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old If by saying also mentioned you are referring to the ridiculous and false assertion that Marshy was spoken of in the Linga Purana, look for yourself - it isn't in there. That assertion and yours regarding the Nadi text is wild fantasy. It's also wildly self-important cult fantasy, based on the fallacious concept, I am important, because I once got to hang with someone important. Once people have bought into this concept, and learned to base their entire self-worth on their spiritual teacher, they'll believe ANYTHING that makes him seem more important, because in their minds that makes *them* more important. On the other hand, it's refreshing to meet someone who is even more lost in this fantasy than Nabby. :-) On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 4:52 P Maharshi was also mentioned and his role in the Nadi text of Maharishi Shuka Deva! This according to the traditional guardians of the text who were not in any way affiliated with him and even said to have expressed some shock/horror at relating this news presumably due to what they regarded as his non-brahmin status! Certain persons who do not even read sanskrit,may or may not have read a modified/ abridged/english version and have shown their bias are not of much real interest here. I am more interested in what did Maharishi know of these prophesies and when did he learn them? I would like to hear from anyone who knows this, its more along the lines of what the prophet lady says in the first Matrix film about what is really going mess with your head!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old
Yeah, if you actually learn about mantra meditation and how it is taught by various paths and also Indian philosophy then you realize that MMY wasn't teaching anything new under the sun. He just had the balls to secularize it for western consumption when he could have gone the Prabhupada route (not that Prabhupada didn't have a lot to say about the competition.) :-D On 04/21/2014 11:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: If by saying also mentioned you are referring to the ridiculous and false assertion that Marshy was spoken of in the Linga Purana, look for yourself - it isn't in there. That assertion and yours regarding the Nadi text is wild fantasy. On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 4:52 P Maharshi was also mentioned and his role in the Nadi text of Maharishi Shuka Deva! This according to the traditional guardians of the text who were not in any way affiliated with him and even said to have expressed some shock/horror at relating this news presumably due to what they regarded as his non-brahmin status! Certain persons who do not even read sanskrit,may or may not have read a modified/ abridged/english version and have shown their bias are not of much real interest here. I am more interested in what did Maharishi know of these prophesies and when did he learn them? I would like to hear from anyone who knows this, its more along the lines of what the prophet lady says in the first Matrix film about what is really going mess with your head!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
My responses are interwoven into her last post. I marked our responses with our initials before each response. In my web browser it shows up right at the top of all the discussion posts in this thread. Snipping anything often leads to accusations around here so I stopped doing it. But if you just read the top of the pile you are reading the most recent. I don't know how to format it any better than that. Your input would be welcome Richard. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/21/2014 11:24 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Look, this was your idea, Curtis. You wrote: I claim that all the proof contain either an unsupported premise or invalid inductive logic. If I pick one to show you what I mean by example, you will claim, 'that was not the good one, you cherry picked.' It's almost impossible to follow this thread anymore because it's not formatted for easy reading and reply. I don't even know who is saying what. Have any of you guys ever considered snipping? It's not complicated. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
Reads just fine to me. Snipping this will only confuse those who want to follow the discussion, like myself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : My responses are interwoven into her last post. I marked our responses with our initials before each response. In my web browser it shows up right at the top of all the discussion posts in this thread. Snipping anything often leads to accusations around here so I stopped doing it. But if you just read the top of the pile you are reading the most recent. I don't know how to format it any better than that. Your input would be welcome Richard. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/21/2014 11:24 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Look, this was your idea, Curtis. You wrote: I claim that all the proof contain either an unsupported premise or invalid inductive logic. If I pick one to show you what I mean by example, you will claim, 'that was not the good one, you cherry picked.' It's almost impossible to follow this thread anymore because it's not formatted for easy reading and reply. I don't even know who is saying what. Have any of you guys ever considered snipping? It's not complicated. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers
So are you going to explain it or not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is the second time you demand others to watch and explain videos or photos for you to understand simple ideas. If you weren't so infinitely lazy you would have known the reason why chemtrails have been going on for decades already. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I wouldn't say it was discussed more like one person droning on about an absurd conspiracy theory. Why would the US government be poisoning the air? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's Easter, do the Americans finally Creep to the Cross ? http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes
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[FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
THE TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR http://d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net/images/news/300_87c23c9f6fb6ef706756b6698260e72d.jpg April 18, 2014 - This information about hair has been hidden from the public since the http://m.disclose.tv/url/Tm9DaGFuY2VBbm9ueW1vdXNodHRwOi8vbWFwcy5nb29nbGUuY29tL21hcHM_bGw9MjEuMDMzMzMzMzMzMywxMDUuODUmc3BuPTEwLjAsMTAuMCZxPTIxLjAzMzMzMzMzMzMsMTA1Ljg1IChWaWV0bmFtKSZ0PWg. Vietnam War. Our culture leads people to believe that hair style is a matter of personal preference, that hair style is a matter of fashion and/or convenience, and that how people wear their hair is simply a cosmetic issue. Back in the http://m.disclose.tv/url/Tm9DaGFuY2VBbm9ueW1vdXNodHRwOi8vbWFwcy5nb29nbGUuY29tL21hcHM_bGw9MjEuMDMzMzMzMzMzMywxMDUuODUmc3BuPTEwLjAsMTAuMCZxPTIxLjAzMzMzMzMzMzMsMTA1Ljg1IChWaWV0bmFtKSZ0PWg. Vietnam war, however, an entirely different picture emerged, one that has been carefully covered up and hidden from public view. In the early nineties, Sally [name changed to protect privacy] was married to a licensed psychologist who worked at a VA medical hospital. He worked with combat veterans with PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. Most of them had served in Vietnam. Sally said, “I remember clearly an evening when my husband came back to our apartment on Doctor’s Circle carrying a thick official looking folder in his hands. Inside were hundreds of pages of certain studies commissioned by the government. He was in shock from the contents. What he read in those documents completely changed his life. From that moment on my conservative, middle-of-the-road husband grew his hair and beard and never cut them again. What is more, the VA Medical Center let him do it, and other very conservative men in the staff followed his example. As I read the documents, I learned why. It seems that during the http://m.disclose.tv/url/Tm9DaGFuY2VBbm9ueW1vdXNodHRwOi8vbWFwcy5nb29nbGUuY29tL21hcHM_bGw9MjEuMDMzMzMzMzMzMywxMDUuODUmc3BuPTEwLjAsMTAuMCZxPTIxLjAzMzMzMzMzMzMsMTA1Ljg1IChWaWV0bmFtKSZ0PWg. Vietnam War, special forces in the war department had sent undercover experts to comb American Indian Reservations looking for talented scouts, for tough young men trained to move stealthily through rough terrain. They were especially looking for men with outstanding, almost supernatural tracking abilities. Before being approached, these carefully selected men were extensively documented as experts in tracking and survival. With the usual enticements, the well-proven smooth phrases used to enroll new recruits, some of these Indian trackers were then enlisted. Once enlisted, an amazing thing happened. Whatever talents and skills they had possessed on the reservation seemed to mysteriously disappear, as recruit after recruit failed to perform as expected in the field. Serious causalities and failures of performance led the government to contract expensive testing of these recruits, and this is what was found. When questioned about their failure to perform as expected, the older recruits replied consistently that when they received their required military haircuts, they could no longer ‘sense’ the enemy, they could no longer access a ‘sixth sense,’ their ‘intuition’ no longer was reliable, they couldn’t ‘read’ subtle signs as well or access subtle extrasensory information. So the testing institute recruited more Indian trackers, let them keep their long hair, and tested them in multiple areas. Then they would pair two men together who had received the same scores on all the tests. They would let one man in the pair keep his hair long, and gave the other man a military haircut. Then the two men retook the tests. Time after time the man with long hair kept making high scores. Time after time, the man with the short hair failed the tests in which he had previously scored high scores. Here is a Typical Test: The recruit is sleeping out in the woods. An armed ‘enemy’ approaches the sleeping man. The long haired man is awakened out of his sleep by a strong sense of danger and gets away long before the enemy is close, long before any sounds from the approaching enemy are audible. In another version of this test, the long haired man senses an approach and somehow intuits that the enemy will perform a physical attack. He follows his ‘sixth sense’ and stays still, pretending to be sleeping, but quickly grabs the attacker and ‘kills’ him as the attacker reaches down to strangle him. This same man, after having passed these and other tests, then received a military haircut and consistently failed these tests, and many other tests that he had previously passed. So the document recommended that all Indian trackers be exempt from military haircuts. In fact, it required that trackers keep their hair long. The mammalian body has evolved over millions of years. Survival skills of human and animal at times seem almost supernatural. Science is constantly coming up with more
[FairfieldLife] TV review: Salem
I used to live on Marblehead Neck, near Boston, and even nearer to Salem, MA. As a result, I got to spend some time in the Witch Museums and reading the lore of that sad town, and so I figured I'd give this TV series a shot. To its credit, it's got good sets, costumes, and production values, and even a few interesting actors and actresses. To its extreme discredit, the only way these cretins could figure out to market the Salem saga was to pretend -- as did Cotton Mather and his Puritan crazies -- that witchcraft was real. A pity. There was a better tale to tell in the fact that it was a case of cult hysteria run wild. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2197204249/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old
I agree with the fist part, but seeing someone farther gone than Nappy kind-a makes me bilious. On Mon, 4/21/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 6:34 PM From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old If by saying also mentioned you are referring to the ridiculous and false assertion that Marshy was spoken of in the Linga Purana, look for yourself - it isn't in there. That assertion and yours regarding the Nadi text is wild fantasy. It's also wildly self-important cult fantasy, based on the fallacious concept, I am important, because I once got to hang with someone important. Once people have bought into this concept, and learned to base their entire self-worth on their spiritual teacher, they'll believe ANYTHING that makes him seem more important, because in their minds that makes *them* more important. On the other hand, it's refreshing to meet someone who is even more lost in this fantasy than Nabby. :-) On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi mentioned in more than one text over thousand years old To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 4:52 P Maharshi was also mentioned and his role in the Nadi text of Maharishi Shuka Deva! This according to the traditional guardians of the text who were not in any way affiliated with him and even said to have expressed some shock/horror at relating this news presumably due to what they regarded as his non-brahmin status! Certain persons who do not even read sanskrit,may or may not have read a modified/ abridged/english version and have shown their bias are not of much real interest here. I am more interested in what did Maharishi know of these prophesies and when did he learn them? I would like to hear from anyone who knows this, its more along the lines of what the prophet lady says in the first Matrix film about what is really going mess with your head!
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
interesting drivel - but if I was a Marshy basher, I could say that's the reason he required all mens git a haircut and a shave so they wouldn't have no power and so couldn't compete w him with the wommins. Wonder if this applies to women losing their power when they cut their hair. I also would not have the temerity to suggest to any Special Forces guys who may be bald either through choice by shaving or nature that they are weak due to no hair. On Mon, 4/21/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 7:09 PM THE TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR April 18, 2014 - This information about hair has been hidden from the public since the Vietnam War. Our culture leads people to believe that hair style is a matter of personal preference, that hair style is a matter of fashion and/or convenience, and that how people wear their hair is simply a cosmetic issue. Back in theVietnam war, however, an entirely different picture emerged, one that has been carefully covered up and hidden from public view. In the early nineties, Sally [name changed to protect privacy] was married to a licensed psychologist who worked at a VA medical hospital. He worked with combat veterans with PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. Most of them had served in Vietnam. Sally said, “I remember clearly an evening when my husband came back to our apartment on Doctor’s Circle carrying a thick official looking folder in his hands. Inside were hundreds of pages of certain studies commissioned by the government. He was in shock from the contents. What he read in those documents completely changed his life. From that moment on my conservative, middle-of-the-road husband grew his hair and beard and never cut them again. What is more, the VA Medical Center let him do it, and other very conservative men in the staff followed his example. As I read the documents, I learned why. It seems that during the Vietnam War, special forces in the war department had sent undercover experts to comb American Indian Reservations looking for talented scouts, for tough young men trained to move stealthily through rough terrain. They were especially looking for men with outstanding, almost supernatural tracking abilities. Before being approached, these carefully selected men were extensively documented as experts in tracking and survival. With the usual enticements, the well-proven smooth phrases used to enroll new recruits, some of these Indian trackers were then enlisted. Once enlisted, an amazing thing happened. Whatever talents and skills they had possessed on the reservation seemed to mysteriously disappear, as recruit after recruit failed to perform as expected in the field. Serious causalities and failures of performance led the government to contract expensive testing of these recruits, and this is what was found. When questioned about their failure to perform as expected, the older recruits replied consistently that when they received their required military haircuts, they could no longer ‘sense’ the enemy, they could no longer access a ‘sixth sense,’ their ‘intuition’ no longer was reliable, they couldn’t ‘read’ subtle signs as well or access subtle extrasensory information. So the testing institute recruited more Indian trackers, let them keep their long hair, and tested them in multiple areas. Then they would pair two men together who had received the same scores on all the tests. They would let one man in the pair keep his hair long, and gave the other man a military haircut. Then the two men retook the tests. Time after time the man with long hair kept making high scores. Time after time, the man with the short hair failed the tests in which he had previously scored high scores. Here is a Typical Test: The recruit is sleeping out in the woods. An armed ‘enemy’ approaches the sleeping man. The long haired man is awakened out of his sleep by a strong sense of danger and gets away long before the enemy is close, long before any sounds from the approaching enemy are audible. In another version of this test, the long haired man senses an approach and somehow intuits that the enemy will perform a physical attack. He follows his ‘sixth sense’ and stays still, pretending to be sleeping, but quickly grabs the attacker and ‘kills’ him as the attacker reaches down to strangle him. This same man, after having passed these and other tests, then received a military haircut and consistently failed these tests, and many other tests that he had previously passed. So the document recommended that all Indian trackers be exempt from military haircuts. In fact, it required that trackers keep their hair long. The mammalian body has evolved
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
From a skeptic blog on the subject: Nice. Willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, I spent a few moments asking Professor Google if he knew anything about this research, but he didn’t. Though many native Americans served in Vietnam, I found no record of any special “tracker” units, or anything remotely suggestive of the research mentioned in this article. Every indication is that someone just made it up to support their woo belief in not cutting hair. Note: Since 1972 the Immigrations and Customs services have maintained a tiny unit of 15 native American trackers called the Shadow Wolves who follow drug smugglers across the border in a law enforcement capacity, but this was not formed until after Vietnam, and I’ve seen no reference to hair length being a tool they employ. If anyone has more information about the alleged Vietnam test unit and their long hair, please let me know. http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/12/22/hair-of-samson/ On Mon, 4/21/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 7:09 PM THE TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR April 18, 2014 - This information about hair has been hidden from the public since the Vietnam War. Our culture leads people to believe that hair style is a matter of personal preference, that hair style is a matter of fashion and/or convenience, and that how people wear their hair is simply a cosmetic issue. Back in theVietnam war, however, an entirely different picture emerged, one that has been carefully covered up and hidden from public view. In the early nineties, Sally [name changed to protect privacy] was married to a licensed psychologist who worked at a VA medical hospital. He worked with combat veterans with PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. Most of them had served in Vietnam. Sally said, “I remember clearly an evening when my husband came back to our apartment on Doctor’s Circle carrying a thick official looking folder in his hands. Inside were hundreds of pages of certain studies commissioned by the government. He was in shock from the contents. What he read in those documents completely changed his life. From that moment on my conservative, middle-of-the-road husband grew his hair and beard and never cut them again. What is more, the VA Medical Center let him do it, and other very conservative men in the staff followed his example. As I read the documents, I learned why. It seems that during the Vietnam War, special forces in the war department had sent undercover experts to comb American Indian Reservations looking for talented scouts, for tough young men trained to move stealthily through rough terrain. They were especially looking for men with outstanding, almost supernatural tracking abilities. Before being approached, these carefully selected men were extensively documented as experts in tracking and survival. With the usual enticements, the well-proven smooth phrases used to enroll new recruits, some of these Indian trackers were then enlisted. Once enlisted, an amazing thing happened. Whatever talents and skills they had possessed on the reservation seemed to mysteriously disappear, as recruit after recruit failed to perform as expected in the field. Serious causalities and failures of performance led the government to contract expensive testing of these recruits, and this is what was found. When questioned about their failure to perform as expected, the older recruits replied consistently that when they received their required military haircuts, they could no longer ‘sense’ the enemy, they could no longer access a ‘sixth sense,’ their ‘intuition’ no longer was reliable, they couldn’t ‘read’ subtle signs as well or access subtle extrasensory information. So the testing institute recruited more Indian trackers, let them keep their long hair, and tested them in multiple areas. Then they would pair two men together who had received the same scores on all the tests. They would let one man in the pair keep his hair long, and gave the other man a military haircut. Then the two men retook the tests. Time after time the man with long hair kept making high scores. Time after time, the man with the short hair failed the tests in which he had previously scored high scores. Here is a Typical Test: The recruit is sleeping out in the woods. An armed ‘enemy’ approaches the sleeping man. The long haired man is awakened out of his sleep by a strong sense of danger and gets away long before the enemy is close, long before any sounds from the approaching enemy are audible. In another version of this test, the long haired man senses an approach and somehow intuits that the enemy will perform a physical attack. He follows his ‘sixth sense’ and
[FairfieldLife] Re: TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
Rick Archer is humoristic, who would have guessed :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : THE TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR April 18, 2014 - This information about hair has been hidden from the public since the Vietnam http://m.disclose.tv/url/Tm9DaGFuY2VBbm9ueW1vdXNodHRwOi8vbWFwcy5nb29nbGUuY29tL21hcHM_bGw9MjEuMDMzMzMzMzMzMywxMDUuODUmc3BuPTEwLjAsMTAuMCZxPTIxLjAzMzMzMzMzMzMsMTA1Ljg1IChWaWV0bmFtKSZ0PWg. War. Our culture leads people to believe that hair style is a matter of personal preference, that hair style is a matter of fashion and/or convenience, and that how people wear their hair is simply a cosmetic issue. Back in theVietnam http://m.disclose.tv/url/Tm9DaGFuY2VBbm9ueW1vdXNodHRwOi8vbWFwcy5nb29nbGUuY29tL21hcHM_bGw9MjEuMDMzMzMzMzMzMywxMDUuODUmc3BuPTEwLjAsMTAuMCZxPTIxLjAzMzMzMzMzMzMsMTA1Ljg1IChWaWV0bmFtKSZ0PWg. war, however, an entirely different picture emerged, one that has been carefully covered up and hidden from public view. In the early nineties, Sally [name changed to protect privacy] was married to a licensed psychologist who worked at a VA medical hospital. He worked with combat veterans with PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. Most of them had served in Vietnam. Sally said, “I remember clearly an evening when my husband came back to our apartment on Doctor’s Circle carrying a thick official looking folder in his hands. Inside were hundreds of pages of certain studies commissioned by the government. He was in shock from the contents. What he read in those documents completely changed his life. From that moment on my conservative, middle-of-the-road husband grew his hair and beard and never cut them again. What is more, the VA Medical Center let him do it, and other very conservative men in the staff followed his example. As I read the documents, I learned why. It seems that during the Vietnam http://m.disclose.tv/url/Tm9DaGFuY2VBbm9ueW1vdXNodHRwOi8vbWFwcy5nb29nbGUuY29tL21hcHM_bGw9MjEuMDMzMzMzMzMzMywxMDUuODUmc3BuPTEwLjAsMTAuMCZxPTIxLjAzMzMzMzMzMzMsMTA1Ljg1IChWaWV0bmFtKSZ0PWg. War, special forces in the war department had sent undercover experts to comb American Indian Reservations looking for talented scouts, for tough young men trained to move stealthily through rough terrain. They were especially looking for men with outstanding, almost supernatural tracking abilities. Before being approached, these carefully selected men were extensively documented as experts in tracking and survival. With the usual enticements, the well-proven smooth phrases used to enroll new recruits, some of these Indian trackers were then enlisted. Once enlisted, an amazing thing happened. Whatever talents and skills they had possessed on the reservation seemed to mysteriously disappear, as recruit after recruit failed to perform as expected in the field. Serious causalities and failures of performance led the government to contract expensive testing of these recruits, and this is what was found. When questioned about their failure to perform as expected, the older recruits replied consistently that when they received their required military haircuts, they could no longer ‘sense’ the enemy, they could no longer access a ‘sixth sense,’ their ‘intuition’ no longer was reliable, they couldn’t ‘read’ subtle signs as well or access subtle extrasensory information. So the testing institute recruited more Indian trackers, let them keep their long hair, and tested them in multiple areas. Then they would pair two men together who had received the same scores on all the tests. They would let one man in the pair keep his hair long, and gave the other man a military haircut. Then the two men retook the tests. Time after time the man with long hair kept making high scores. Time after time, the man with the short hair failed the tests in which he had previously scored high scores. Here is a Typical Test: The recruit is sleeping out in the woods. An armed ‘enemy’ approaches the sleeping man. The long haired man is awakened out of his sleep by a strong sense of danger and gets away long before the enemy is close, long before any sounds from the approaching enemy are audible. In another version of this test, the long haired man senses an approach and somehow intuits that the enemy will perform a physical attack. He follows his ‘sixth sense’ and stays still, pretending to be sleeping, but quickly grabs the attacker and ‘kills’ him as the attacker reaches down to strangle him. This same man, after having passed these and other tests, then received a military haircut and consistently failed these tests, and many other tests that he had previously passed. So the document recommended that all Indian trackers be exempt from military haircuts. In fact, it required that trackers keep their hair long. The mammalian body has evolved over millions of years. Survival skills of human and animal at times seem almost supernatural. Science is constantly coming up with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chemtrails Discussed At United Nations, Must Watch For All Non-belivers
Don't worry Nabby I found it: http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm Chemtrails are an attempt by the world's governments to create plasma in the atmosphere so their laser weapons can fire better. They aren't just vapour from aircraft engines. At least there's a reason... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So are you going to explain it or not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is the second time you demand others to watch and explain videos or photos for you to understand simple ideas. If you weren't so infinitely lazy you would have known the reason why chemtrails have been going on for decades already. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I wouldn't say it was discussed more like one person droning on about an absurd conspiracy theory. Why would the US government be poisoning the air? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's Easter, do the Americans finally Creep to the Cross ? http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes http://truththeory.com/2014/04/20/chemtrails-discussed-at-united-nations-must-watch-for-all-non-belivers/?fb_action_ids=1413968658874169fb_action_types=og.likes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
So TheGoddess is important in Buddhism yet The Turq, a proclaimed Buddhist, denies God exist. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/21/2014 6:44 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: So Goddess Tara isn't a God :-) This is where followers like Barry get really mixed up. The White Tara in Vajrayana Buddhism is Sarasvati in Hindu Sri Vidya. According to Blofield, White Tara counteracts illness and thereby helps to bring about a long life. The Tara sadhana was revealed to the Nath Siddha Tilopa in 995 C.E., who is the human father of the Karma Kagyu sect of Tibet. 'The Tantric Mysticism of Tibet' A Practical Guide to the Theory, Purpose, and Techniques of Tantric Meditation by John Blofeld Penguin, 1992 'The Cult of Tara' Magic and Ritual in Tibet by Stephen Beyer University of California Press 1992 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: Salem
Yeah, but those were exciting times! Just think of all the excuses you could come up with for all your failures! On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:12 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to live on Marblehead Neck, near Boston, and even nearer to Salem, MA. As a result, I got to spend some time in the Witch Museums and reading the lore of that sad town, and so I figured I'd give this TV series a shot. To its credit, it's got good sets, costumes, and production values, and even a few interesting actors and actresses. To its extreme discredit, the only way these cretins could figure out to market the Salem saga was to pretend -- as did Cotton Mather and his Puritan crazies -- that witchcraft was real. A pity. There was a better tale to tell in the fact that it was a case of cult hysteria run wild. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2197204249/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: Salem
On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, but those were exciting times! Just think of all the excuses you could come up with for all your failures! On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:12 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to live on Marblehead Neck, near Boston, and even nearer to Salem, MA. As a result, I got to spend some time in the Witch Museums and reading the lore of that sad town, and so I figured I'd give this TV series a shot. To its credit, it's got good sets, costumes, and production values, and even a few interesting actors and actresses. To its extreme discredit, the only way these cretins could figure out to market the Salem saga was to pretend -- as did Cotton Mather and his Puritan crazies -- that witchcraft was real. A pity. There was a better tale to tell in the fact that it was a case of cult hysteria run wild. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2197204249/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: Salem
Now we just say... It's Bush's fault! On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, but those were exciting times! Just think of all the excuses you could come up with for all your failures! On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:12 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to live on Marblehead Neck, near Boston, and even nearer to Salem, MA. As a result, I got to spend some time in the Witch Museums and reading the lore of that sad town, and so I figured I'd give this TV series a shot. To its credit, it's got good sets, costumes, and production values, and even a few interesting actors and actresses. To its extreme discredit, the only way these cretins could figure out to market the Salem saga was to pretend -- as did Cotton Mather and his Puritan crazies -- that witchcraft was real. A pity. There was a better tale to tell in the fact that it was a case of cult hysteria run wild. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2197204249/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
I regard all early states of a religion as basically a cult, from the word meaning to culture, non-mainstream beliefs compared to what is usual for a locale. Mental entrapment does not necessarily mean one is forced to do another's bidding, as the human mind is greatly susceptible to its own entrapment depending on the range of scepticism or gullibility it has, so we can shut the door to knowledge by being too critical or open it too much if we are too easily influenced by what others say to us. I regard the TMO as a cult, and I did work for this org for a time. I think it is more like a cult today than it was in the early years, and it is showing the definite signs of becoming a religion. After all early on Maharishi indicated he wanted to start 'a new religion'. I am using the word with a certain leeway. I am using the word primarily in the following senses: 1. a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. 2. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing. I simply stated that I thought all of us here had been part of or influenced by cults, so I was not singling you out. You on the other hand single out Turq as the only person so influenced that way, which hardly seems accurate to me. I am not saying here anything beyond what we both have been involved in, though I was never part of a UFO cult. - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008, yahoogroups.com wrote : Since you accuse me of being a cultmember I am looking forward to your definition of said. And you better come up with something better than mental entrapment. If not you better STFU. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one except among regular posters, Emily whose daughter had a brush with one. You yourself are associated with rather non-typical beliefs in general. It does not help to accuse one of being party to the same kind of mental entrapment that one oneself is involved in. All of us show some kind of mental entrapment of which we are typically unaware. Maybe it would be valuable if first we ask ourselves 'Am I the one who is crazy?' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
On 4/21/2014 2:30 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: So The Goddess is important in Buddhism yet The Turq, a proclaimed Buddhist, denies God exist. That's because Tara is not a Hindu god, but a Buddhist siddha. The gods may bring boons in the form of material wealth, but they cannot bring one into the siddha field - they do not have that liberating insight. The gods, for all their power, do not see things the way a buddha sees things - a buddha is awakened. The Gods concern is with this world while siddhas are concerned with the transcendental field. What a mess. That's because his teacher, Dr. Lenz, didn't know very much about the history or practice of Tibetan Buddhism, although he wrote a book about surfing in the Himalayas. Go figure. It looks like the Truq didn't follow up very much on the study part either, or the practice, although he has said he has tried mind-fullness meditation. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
On 4/21/2014 2:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: interesting drivel - but if I was a Marshy basher, I could say that's the reason he required all mens git a haircut and a shave so they wouldn't have no power and so couldn't compete w him with the wommins. Wonder if this applies to women losing their power when they cut their hair. I also would not have the temerity to suggest to any Special Forces guys who may be bald either through choice by shaving or nature that they are weak due to no hair. It hasn't been established that you have any hair. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
I've seen his pic on Facebook, and not only does he have hair, he has a full beard and mustache as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pundits...@gmail.com wrote : On 4/21/2014 2:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: interesting drivel - but if I was a Marshy basher, I could say that's the reason he required all mens git a haircut and a shave so they wouldn't have no power and so couldn't compete w him with the wommins. Wonder if this applies to women losing their power when they cut their hair. I also would not have the temerity to suggest to any Special Forces guys who may be bald either through choice by shaving or nature that they are weak due to no hair. It hasn't been established that you have any hair. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: Salem
I'll give it a whirl. It's a CW show and available on Hulu. I knew I'd seen the promos for it but couldn't remember which network (the same that has The 100). It may devolve into a juvenile show giving the CW market. On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I used to live on Marblehead Neck, near Boston, and even nearer to Salem, MA. As a result, I got to spend some time in the Witch Museums and reading the lore of that sad town, and so I figured I'd give this TV series a shot. To its credit, it's got good sets, costumes, and production values, and even a few interesting actors and actresses. To its extreme discredit, the only way these cretins could figure out to market the Salem saga was to pretend -- as did Cotton Mather and his Puritan crazies -- that witchcraft was real. A pity. There was a better tale to tell in the fact that it was a case of cult hysteria run wild. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2197204249/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: Salem
Huh? Most of the right is blaming Obama for everything these days. Get it straight, it's the oligarch's fault and has been so for decades. On 04/21/2014 12:50 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Now we just say... It's Bush's fault! On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: On , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, but those were exciting times! Just think of all the excuses you could come up with for all your failures! On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:12 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to live on Marblehead Neck, near Boston, and even nearer to Salem, MA. As a result, I got to spend some time in the Witch Museums and reading the lore of that sad town, and so I figured I'd give this TV series a shot. To its credit, it's got good sets, costumes, and production values, and even a few interesting actors and actresses. To its extreme discredit, the only way these cretins could figure out to market the Salem saga was to pretend -- as did Cotton Mather and his Puritan crazies -- that witchcraft was real. A pity. There was a better tale to tell in the fact that it was a case of cult hysteria run wild. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2197204249/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
but not near as much hair as I used ta On Mon, 4/21/14, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 9:15 PM I've seen his pic on Facebook, and not only does he have hair, he has a full beard and mustache as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pundits...@gmail.com wrote : On 4/21/2014 2:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: interesting drivel - but if I was a Marshy basher, I could say that's the reason he required all mens git a haircut and a shave so they wouldn't have no power and so couldn't compete w him with the wommins. Wonder if this applies to women losing their power when they cut their hair. I also would not have the temerity to suggest to any Special Forces guys who may be bald either through choice by shaving or nature that they are weak due to no hair. It hasn't been established that you have any hair. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
Since you looked at me on FB I decided to reciprocate and saw one of the funniest things I have seen in a while that you posted there regarding whether Indians were calling from Microsoft tech support or not! - that is so funny! On Mon, 4/21/14, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 9:15 PM I've seen his pic on Facebook, and not only does he have hair, he has a full beard and mustache as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pundits...@gmail.com wrote : On 4/21/2014 2:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: interesting drivel - but if I was a Marshy basher, I could say that's the reason he required all mens git a haircut and a shave so they wouldn't have no power and so couldn't compete w him with the wommins. Wonder if this applies to women losing their power when they cut their hair. I also would not have the temerity to suggest to any Special Forces guys who may be bald either through choice by shaving or nature that they are weak due to no hair. It hasn't been established that you have any hair. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
Summary! my own summery
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?
More comments below (in blue). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for some of it. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with the notion that only what is measurable is real. Actually, measuring (in the broadest sense) is the only tool science has. Only? Find me something that can't be measured. Oh, you know, beauty, love, stuff like that, just for starters. But love isn't a thing separate from our experience. If two people in love are sitting on a bench in the sun and the people disappear, so does the love. The sun however, doesn't disappear. But it is measurable. Love is part of our inner world only and is therefore dependent on our brains and this is where it can be measured. Maybe crudely at the moment VERY crudely: yes or no, that's it. but I bet there's a distinct chemical signature involving dopamine etc that you could look at in someone's head and know what they are experiencing. What they are experiencing covers a lot of territory. Just saying, Oh, they're experiencing love doesn't tell you much. Takes the fun out of romance sure, but it's them chemicals what turn us upside down I bet. Surely chemicals have something to do with it. But which came first, the chemicals or the love? Beauty could be measurable too, you'd just have to decide on a common framework for whatever it is you want to judge. Oh, jeepers. Right, try getting a statistically significant sample of people to agree on what's beautiful and what isn't. It's all part of out inner life. Why we feel such richness for things like art or landscapes is another question but one of psychology and chemistry not physics, that won't be able to help us tell love from hate. Supposedly psychology and chemistry are all reducible to physics. Just as the success of metal detectors in finding metal does not entail that there are no other, non-metallic aspects of reality, so too does the success of science in capturing those aspects of nature susceptible of prediction and control give us no reason to think that there are not other aspects that are not susceptible of prediction and control -- aspects we should not expect to find by the methods of science Sounds like special pleading to me. Sounds like he's got something he wants people not to be able to find. Probably why he thinks science has no place answering metaphysical questions (if that was him). It was Feser, but gee whiz, he's far from the only person to make the same point, including some scientists and (gasp) atheists. (What would Feser not want people to find??) The point applies in many different contexts, not just theism. Including me, but I'm not the one with a theistic concept I'm trying to convince the world of that I think is superior to the current scientific paradigm. Neither is Feser. Classical theism doesn't claim to be superior to the current scientific paradigm. (And I wasn't using the quote in that context in any case.) And besides, his blog is where you got the idea about metaphysical concepts not being open to scientific inquiry wasn't it? Sheesh. Not that I recall. If it was he was wrong. NASA won't abandon it's plans to probe the cosmic microwave background because the overall concept of universal origins is metaphysical. Of course not. No theist would suggest such a thing. What he (or anyone) has to do to convince me is explain what this god thing is and, most importantly, how it can be apart from the four known forces of nature. If it's real in any sense we'll find it somehow. Even if it's a real thing like love. Science ain't gonna find it. It's transcendent to the four known forces of nature, ontologically prior to them (and to everything else in the universe). http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/03/rosenhouse-keeps-digging.html#more http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/03/rosenhouse-keeps-digging.html#more Are there methods of investigation other than measurement/prediction/control that might convincingly detect paranormal events? How would you know if you had or not? Some paranormal researchers (Lawrence Le Shan in particular) have suggested potentially fruitful systematic, social-science-like approaches. See Le Shan's book A New Science of the Paranormal: the Promise of Psychical Research for details. OK, if it's orderable from my local library I'll read it. If you can get it, let me know what you think. It's been awhile since I read it. (He has a new one out, Landscapes of the Mind: The Faces of Reality, which purports to be a taxonomy of consciousness, whatever that means.) It's not but I read the first page on Amazon and might give it a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More
Objection your honor. Answer calls for speculation from the witness. Sustained. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well, if there were a disagreement between Big Bopper Bevan and Craig Pearson about some aspect of MUM's running, who do you think would win the argument? On Mon, 4/21/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 10:26 AM Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Sal, Re: Entities
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha think you're being kinda silly to try to make someone feel uncomfortable just because you can't conceive of reincarnation being an automatic process that requires no intervention or supervision? I guess I missed this. I am sorry you feel I am trying to make someone uncomfortable because they don't believe as I do. I think that is an inaccurate assessment.
[FairfieldLife] MIU Photos from the past [1 Attachment]
Me on the right, Danny VonPhilipsborn on the left, half German, half Hungarian. This was when Danny was the baker and I was his apprentice. In the parking lot behind the kitchen.
[FairfieldLife] Another MIU shot [1 Attachment]
The two guys on the left I don't remember - I didn't know them well at the time this was taken. Me, Danny and Bob Brady on the far right, a town employee. Also in the parking lot behind the kitchen. I am not sure who that is in the van peering at us, I bet it was a Capitol spy, checking up on us to see whether or not we were talking about satvic stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Yet another photo [1 Attachment]
The guy on the left I think is Dominic Mason, but I may have that name wrong. Me, Danny and Serge Diaz from Bordeaux, France. In the bakery at Annapurna Dining Hall. Taken in 1986 when I was still avertin' the danger before it arose.
[FairfieldLife] More bakery MIU photo [1 Attachment]
From left - Danny, Serge, Anne Sylvie LaCroix from Quebec, Masamichi Saito from somewhere in Nippon, me and Dominic. Also in the bakery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Photos from the past
Canna we please mixa some real chicken broth in the soup? It woulda make it so mucha tastier! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Me on the right, Danny VonPhilipsborn on the left, half German, half Hungarian. This was when Danny was the baker and I was his apprentice. In the parking lot behind the kitchen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR
When I get my haircut they always ask me when finished how it is or if there is more they can do so I tell them to put a little bit more on top which always gets a laugh. On 04/21/2014 03:08 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: but not near as much hair as I used ta On Mon, 4/21/14, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TRUTH ABOUT LONG HAIR To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 9:15 PM I've seen his pic on Facebook, and not only does he have hair, he has a full beard and mustache as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pundits...@gmail.com wrote : On 4/21/2014 2:13 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: interesting drivel - but if I was a Marshy basher, I could say that's the reason he required all mens git a haircut and a shave so they wouldn't have no power and so couldn't compete w him with the wommins. Wonder if this applies to women losing their power when they cut their hair. I also would not have the temerity to suggest to any Special Forces guys who may be bald either through choice by shaving or nature that they are weak due to no hair. It hasn't been established that you have any hair. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another MIU shot
Michael, you had the movement by the balls when the crew threatened to go on strike for the banquet when you got fired. You had em by the balls. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The two guys on the left I don't remember - I didn't know them well at the time this was taken. Me, Danny and Bob Brady on the far right, a town employee. Also in the parking lot behind the kitchen. I am not sure who that is in the van peering at us, I bet it was a Capitol spy, checking up on us to see whether or not we were talking about satvic stuff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Photos from the past
that was the cooks deal - we was the bakers On Tue, 4/22/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Photos from the past To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2014, 12:01 AM Canna we please mixa some real chicken broth in the soup? It woulda make it so mucha tastier! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Me on the right, Danny VonPhilipsborn on the left, half German, half Hungarian. This was when Danny was the baker and I was his apprentice. In the parking lot behind the kitchen.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
The study of the Vedic Literature is of no value without the perspective of Maharishi Mahesha Yogi's Dharma. Certainly there is no need for Maharishi Mahesha Yogi, the greatest RIshi, to be in any way, validated or justified by any tradition or text, rather it is the tradition or text that can only be made properly understood through understanding by Maharishi's perspective including the sound value of the Vedic literature, and the reading of Veda in Sanskirt for the development of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised
Honorable Ex-Minister of Higher Education, Shri Mukesh Nayak Ji (Congress)praises His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ji for spreading Vedic Knowledge world-wide. He assures that Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji has all capabilities to take Maharishi's Vedic knowledge programmes to everyone in the world. He said Brahmachari Girish Ji is a true representative of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ji. Brahmachari Girish Ji had an unique Guru-Shishya relationship with His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ji which is incomparable and to be praised. Jai Girish Ji! https://www.facebook.com/BrahmachariGirishJi https://www.facebook.com/BrahmachariGirishJi now just wait for BJP administation!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another MIU shot
only Willy Sands and Brad O'Nash - the rest of the Movement didn't give a damn On Tue, 4/22/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another MIU shot To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2014, 12:06 AM Michael, you had the movement by the balls when the crew threatened to go on strike for the banquet when you got fired. You had em by the balls. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The two guys on the left I don't remember - I didn't know them well at the time this was taken. Me, Danny and Bob Brady on the far right, a town employee. Also in the parking lot behind the kitchen. I am not sure who that is in the van peering at us, I bet it was a Capitol spy, checking up on us to see whether or not we were talking about satvic stuff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
so the vedas meant nothing before Marshy and don't mean anything without him?? Man, you are deeper into TM vodoo than anyone else I ever heard of! On Tue, 4/22/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2014, 12:29 AM The study of the Vedic Literature is of no value without the perspective of Maharishi Mahesha Yogi's Dharma. Certainly there is no need for Maharishi Mahesha Yogi, the greatest RIshi, to be in any way, validated or justified by any tradition or text, rather it is the tradition or text that can only be made properly understood through understanding by Maharishi's perspective including the sound value of the Vedic literature, and the reading of Veda in Sanskirt for the development of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Veda, Vedic Cities.. . ..Living the Golden Age!
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE PARIS 14-15 MAY 2014 ORGANIZATION Caterina Guenzi (EHESS) and Raphaël VOIX (CNRS) Composed between the fifteenth and the fifth century BCE, the Vedas - literally Knowledge - are a Sanskrit corpus considered by most Hindus as a non-human revelation, and whose transmission has for centuries been reserved to a socio-religious elite, the Brahmins. Throughout brahmanic literature the authority of the Vedas is recognized as supreme. In the nineteenth century, as part of the construction of an Indian national identity during the colonial period, some reform movements transformed them into the reference texts for a Hinduism conceived of as a unitary religion. They also read and interpreted the Vedas as a religion that, unlike Christianity, contained truths compatible with the achievements of modern science. Although the content of the Vedas focuses mainly on the celebration of sacrifice, nowadays we witness a proliferation of texts and discourses which put references to the Vedas into play in the most diverse areas. The attribution of the term “Vedic” is now used to legitimate all sorts of knowledge and practices. Thus, we hear of “Vedic architecture”, “Vedic astrology”, “Vedic ecology”, “Vedic mathematics”, “Ayur-Veda” (Vedic medicine), “Vedic socialism and communism”, and even “Vedic management”. The visibility of these phenomena increased with recent attempts by Hindu nationalists, when they were in power, to introduce these new fields into school and university systems, both in India and abroad. This political operation raised significant ideological issues and led to a huge controversy about the legitimacy of these different fields. Despite their visibility, both in India and Anglo-Saxon countries, and despite the controversies that they generated, these discourses and practices have received only marginal attention from the social sciences, and have moreover never been the topic of a study where they are considered jointly. This international conference aims to bridge this gap by bringing together ethnologists who have observed the birth and dissemination of these phenomena in their field studies. The participation of historians and Sanskrit scholars will help us to put the historical dimension of these events into perspective, while specialists of other cultural arenas, who face similar phenomena of appeal to texts, will shed light on the regional specificity of these observed social facts. During the conference, the primary task will be to understand the scope of these phenomena, by examining the social identity of the actors involved: which groups or individuals contribute to the production of these new forms of knowledge? To whom are they addressed? Who are the intermediaries involved in the propagation of these ideas? Which groups contest the legitimacy of these discourses? In particular, we shall attempt to understand how these groups organize themselves institutionally (sects, associations, university); their political, religious and associative networks; as well as their relationship with figures in the Hindu nationalist movement. The sociological investigation of these figures shall necessarily take into consideration the role of Indian diaspora and its transnational networks. Central to our investigation is a focus on the content of these “new” forms of knowledge, and the legitimation strategies that go along with them. Although it takes particular forms in the modern world, referencing the Vedas is actually an ancient way to affirm the validity of knowledge . How are contemporary ways of referring to the Vedas as a legitimating authority different from ancient ways? In what ways does the attribution “Vedic” help to legitimate particular ways of knowing? This will lead us to question the role of textual authority in contemporary Hinduism and its uses as a way of forging new religious identities. If modern science as epistemological authority was amply used by Hindu reformers during colonial times to prove the universal value of Hinduism, how are the “Vedic” and the “scientific” articulated in contemporary discourses and practices? Participants will also be asked to investigate whether the attribution “Vedic” is always used in a “Hindu” context or whether it can be a purely commercial term used to sell the “exotic” and the “ancient” within India— as in the case of the Vedic City under construction by the Shri Infratech group in Greater Noida. Similarly, the conference will deal with the economy that is generated as these ideas spread. Besides the ideological dimension, commercial concerns seem to be at the heart of these new phenomena. “The attribution “Vedic” has important commercial implications that should be attentively examined. The Vedas are nowadays sold as a commercial item, in the form of printed texts, recorded mantras (CD, DVD), or
[FairfieldLife] Beautiful New Global family chat today
If you want to know what the TM movement and the Rajas are really doing around the world check out Global Family Chat , today's has really beautiful news about Africa! http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html there is a new time 'slider along the bottom so you could still watch today's chat even before it shows up in the archives by going back in time with the slider. Tomorrow will probably have some very interesting news about the Americas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth
One of the signs a new religion is starting to go downhill as far as whatever spiritual use it may have had is when the message of the founder or his successors are venerated for themselves more than the message that was brought by him/her/it. This assumes of course the original message had some value to human life. There is the saying you cannot get enlightened by riding on the coattails of an enlightened master. How much less likely an unenlightened master. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : so the vedas meant nothing before Marshy and don't mean anything without him?? Man, you are deeper into TM vodoo than anyone else I ever heard of! On Tue, 4/22/14, srijau@... mailto:srijau@... srijau@... mailto:srijau@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh is Shiva incarnated on the earth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2014, 12:29 AM The study of the Vedic Literature is of no value without the perspective of Maharishi Mahesha Yogi's Dharma. Certainly there is no need for Maharishi Mahesha Yogi, the greatest RIshi, to be in any way, validated or justified by any tradition or text, rather it is the tradition or text that can only be made properly understood through understanding by Maharishi's perspective including the sound value of the Vedic literature, and the reading of Veda in Sanskirt for the development of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another MIU shot
Ah, the good old dorms and pods in the background. Here's one from my MIU days, probably around 1977.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Classical Theism Really the Strongest Version of the God Idea?
Xenosophistry: you can't beat it. Metaphysical ultimacy = divine simplicity. Being Itself. Doesn't get much simpler than that. Quantum mechanics, most successful theory in the history of science. And the simple formula that everyone can understand is...? “Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, But how can it be like that? because you will get down the drain, into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that. http://izquotes.com/quote/228636”--Richard Feynman http://izquotes.com/author/richard-feynman on quantum mechanics ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The best way to show someone there is such a thing as an apple, is to show him/her/it one. In the absence of an apple, you could string arguments to the end of the universe and an eternity of time, and still not produce knowledge of an apple. Now theism and enlightenment are special cases since they are arguments like the set of all sets in mathematics. These particular items have no objectivity. If they are real, they are subjectively real. Meditation and internal inquiry are traditional methods for this investigation, but they have the liability that any knowledge so derived is not objective, and no external argumentation can demonstrate its value or detriment. The best arguments in any case are clear and simple and usually easily understood. The length or complexity of an argument is generally not favourable for its correctness, if we assume that underlying the universe is simplicity. If god were ultimate simplicity, why need then an ultra complex argument, one that few can understand? General relativity tends to be difficult for people to understand, but one of its formulae, e=mc^2, is extraordinarily simple, and even someone without much sophistication can grasp something of its significance, particularly if they have seen a nuclear reactor or films of atomic fission or hydrogen fusion bombs. Note that great spiritual figures typically express themselves in clear simple expressions. When someone is trying to put something over on you, then the complexity begins. The longer a circular argument, the less likely one will notice the tail meets the head.
[FairfieldLife] Great Compassion Mantra
Great Compassion Mantra of Kwan Yin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v76aqgwSzoA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v76aqgwSzoA
