date:20140826

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Bombs Own Vehicles and Weapons

2014-08-26 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is such an absurd turn of events.  Why did the Iraqi army give up so 
easily against ISIS?  IMO, the Iraqi army was infiltrated with sympathizers of 
ISIS.  The officers of the army were probably paid off by ISIS to run away with 
their subordinates and leave the American vehicles and equipment to the 
militants.
 

 Maybe they were just scared?
 

 Maybe the US should put self-destruct devices in their next bunch of free 
gifts to the middle east..
 

 

 It appears that the Iraqi army does not want to fight and are willing to be 
subjugated by the militants.  In the end, they are willing to let the 
Christians and other minorities to be killed as sacrifices to the militant 
overlords.
 

 U.S. Airstrikes Destroy Millions Of Dollars In U.S.-Made Arms In Iraq 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/us-military-weapons-iraq_n_5718099.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592

 
 
 
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 By Missy Ryan WASHINGTON, Aug 26 (Reuters) - The grainy black-and-white 
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[FairfieldLife] US Bombs Own Vehicles and Weapons

2014-08-26 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

This is such an absurd turn of events.  Why did the Iraqi army give up so 
easily against ISIS?  IMO, the Iraqi army was infiltrated with sympathizers of 
ISIS.  The officers of the army were probably paid off by ISIS to run away with 
their subordinates and leave the American vehicles and equipment to the 
militants.
 

 It appears that the Iraqi army does not want to fight and are willing to be 
subjugated by the militants.  In the end, they are willing to let the 
Christians and other minorities to be killed as sacrifices to the militant 
overlords.
 

 U.S. Airstrikes Destroy Millions Of Dollars In U.S.-Made Arms In Iraq 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/us-military-weapons-iraq_n_5718099.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592

 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/us-military-weapons-iraq_n_5718099.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
 
 
 U.S. Airstrikes Destroy Millions Of Dollars In U.S 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/us-military-weapons-iraq_n_5718099.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
 By Missy Ryan WASHINGTON, Aug 26 (Reuters) - The grainy black-and-white 
footage shows a military vehicle, a small dark mass in the crosshairs of a U.S. 
w...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Vedic eye-patch wearers take note...

2014-08-26 Thread salyavin808



 Don't go pirating those Bollywood classics!
 

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[FairfieldLife] We Are Spirits in the Material World

2014-08-26 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Another favorite of mine from the *Ghost in the Machine* album, 1981.

http://youtu.be/7k8ZW8wr68k

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

IN fact, Triguna's son took my pulse a few months after *I* had Hepatitus (got
it from MY son who got it at daycare) and commented I had "heat in my liver
system."

By the way, pulse diagnosis is part of the Maharish School curriculum. All the
students practice it every day.

And I believe it is taught in as part of the pre-med curriculum at MUM, but
not sure.

Interesting thing I just found out. Prodence Farrow, Mia Farrow's sister, has
a PhD in Sanskrit from Berkley, and her PhD thesis was doing a translation and
analysis of the 5 or 6 main Ayurvedic texts on pulse diagnosis. It's for sale
through Amazon.com under her married name, Prudence Bruns:

Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation of Six Central Texts
and an Examination of the Sources, Influence and Development of Indian
Pulse-Diagnosis
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NOT quite what we heard from Maharishi, some of it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was
Dr. Triguna's thing.

I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India. I thought he called it
pretty well.

He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.

I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.

Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative
mainstream "science based" medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.

On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:

The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical
practice. Science-Based Medicine

Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm...
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine.
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bi

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age

2014-08-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

its Nabby's fantasy, talk to him

 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its 
spiritual Darshan  The Dawn of a New Age

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

and what he wrote originally was and is fantasy - in his next post he says 
Marshy sent the man - none of that happened - its Nabby fantasy

It still could be because of the unrest and general feeling of danger just 
outside the hotel that Maharishi was sensing, it probably had nothing 
whatsoever to so with foreseeing that there was going to be a fire. Seriously, 
you extrapolated waaayyy too much from this small event.

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The
Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan  The Dawn of a New 
Age

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Michael, many people recognize that it's possible to have an intuition about an 
event coming in the near future. Heck, even animals such as horses can sense 
when an earthquake or fire is about to occur! I simply thought you shared this 
pretty universal observation.

Personally, I think you all should get your stories straight before 
conjecturing on any cognizing going on. I'm not sure where you all are getting 
that John or Maharishi cognized anything
just that perhaps because of the unrest and craziness that was going on in the 
street was alarming and so, through logic, figured maybe they should get out 
since perhaps other buildings were being set on fire or looted. Anyone?

This is what was written originally, where is there anything about seeing into 
the future?

Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21
PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its 
spiritual Darshan  The Dawn of a New Age

"I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were 
clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders."
Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis 
smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before 
the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone 
out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 27-Aug-14 00:15:08 UTC

2014-08-26 Thread Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Network:

http://youtu.be/cO_dQAy0SeQ


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:13 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] <
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like FFL has a new graffiti artist!
>
> Just another reason to watch more TV and less FFL as far as bawee's
> concerned, no doubt.
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Gullible Fools We Were

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 8/26/2014 8:51 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Re "You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going 
to get."

That's necessarily true by definition but isn't it a little vacuous?

>
If you can give up striving, you'll be in an enlightened state. But 
striving, like craving, is very difficult to overcome. The very moment 
you desire to be enlightened, you are off the program.
You should not have any thought about gaining a state of enlightenment. 
All you need to do is sit and be aware. That's what real meditation is - 
just sitting and being aware of being aware. There's no goal, no steps 
on The Way - there is just the sitting without the striving.

There is a striving to stay alive, a striving for material things, and a 
striving to stay competitive; there is even a very subtle 'greed for 
views' that must be overcome. Because if you desire to be enlightened 
and you strive for it, you will be creating a desire or craving.

Desire for what will not be attained ends in frustration which is a form 
of suffering. How to avoid suffering? You must adopt the 'Middle Way'. 
And what is the Middle Way? The Middle Way is the avoidance of extremes. 
How to avoid extremes? Do not extremely avoid extremes.

>

Re "When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any 
more stress.":

Hmm. But isn't here a difference between
1) saying to yourself that nothing I do is going to make a blind bit 
of difference and carrying on as everyone else does (wine, women and 
song, or whatever floats your boat) and
2) following a spiritual path - meditation, say - which only makes 
sense if you think the practice chosen will make *some* difference, 
however little, to your life?

And re Dan's (following MMY): "Material possessions are not a means of 
bondage. ":

They sure are! What we think we own actually owns us. All the 
(pitifully few) possessions I have surrounding me right now are also 
what help define me as a person (my learned role play in this life). 
We all need certain basic essentials - and yes, what we regard as 
basic has expanded over the centuries - but beyond that point 
accumulating possessions is like decorating your prison cell. It makes 
you feel more at home (and so apathetic) but the point is to break 
down the prison walls and escape!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can
fulfill those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that
counts too but doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.

>
It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more 
than one is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going 
to get leads to frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is impossible 
to to stop desiring, and at a more subtle level, it is fruitless to 
want to stop desiring more than one is going to stop desiring, 
relative to wanting to stop wanting.

According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do not 
invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of 
desirelessness, they merely indicate desire's universality, the 
subtlety with which it operates, the reason why it is commonly 
misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation to bring it into 
manageable operation.

Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are 
emotively imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent 
desiring more than will be attained is itself unconsciously desired 
too much.  For whenever one desires to stop 'desiring more than will 
be attained', this additional, deeper desire also becomes a desire for 
more stopping than will be attained. Thus this additional, deeper 
desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to stop 
desiring more stopping than will be attained.

You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to 
get. When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any 
more stress. Any time there is stress there is wanting - even if it is 
wanting less stress. The answer to this riddle is actually very simple 
when you think about it.

According to Bahm, /"He who finally gives up trying to solve the 
problem of frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires 
and frustrations for what they are, finds the problem solved."/

>

On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
punditster@...  [FairfieldLife]" 

wrote:

On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raphita@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Re"I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had 
fulfilled all desires":
And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are 
meditating* you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires 
no longer impinge on your consciousness and you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 27-Aug-14 00:15:08 UTC

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 8/26/2014 7:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> On 08/26/2014 05:15 PM, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com
> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>> 164 danfriedman2002
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Where We Went and Why We Went There [1 Attachment]

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 8/26/2014 7:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

Richard, this is one of my favorite places in the whole wide world...

>
When we lived in Austin we used to go to Barton Springs Pool every 
weekend - it was only a few blocks away from where we lived. The water 
is very cold from a natural spring but it's great to dive in when the 
temperature outside is 100 degrees.

Hamilton's Pool:

A beautiful swimming hole nestled in the Hill Country, Hamilton Pool 
lies about 20 miles west of Austin off Highway 71 just past /Radiance, 
the TM Ideal Village/. This natural swimming pool, formed by a collapsed 
grotto is supplied by a 60-foot waterfall. The rock formation serves as 
a unique backdrop to the cool, blue-green water, which flows down a 
magical tree-lined creek, to the Perdenales River.

/Hamilton's Pool, Hays County/

>

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:22 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:

We went to this place so we could swim in a swimming pool.

alt

/Barton Springs Pool, Austin/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Desire, was What Gullible Fools We Were

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 8/26/2014 7:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Richard, for me the answer lies in being at peace energetically, in 
the body. No mood making. No trying to think a certain way, or feel a 
certain way. Peace in the energy field means that desire does not 
arise. Or if it does, one is at peace with it.

>
Too avid seeking for enlightenment embodies a very subtle greed which 
must be rooted out by more subtle efforts. But, you must not pursue the 
uprooting greedily, but by means of a still more subtle way. You need to 
realize that you are not going to get any more enlightenment than you 
are going to get. And, while metaphysical pursuits may be interesting to 
a certain degree, not one single concept is going to help anyone cross 
over to the other side.

According to my philosophy professor, "The problem of stopping the 
striving is sufficiently difficult, complex, and attention-demanding 
that anyone who pursues it seriously will have little time left over for 
indulging unhappily in metaphysical pursuits." -  A.J. Bahm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Bahm 

>

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:13 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:

On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can 
fulfill those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that 
counts too but doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.

>
It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more 
than one is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going 
to get leads to frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is impossible 
to to stop desiring, and at a more subtle level, it is fruitless to 
want to stop desiring more than one is going to stop desiring, 
relative to wanting to stop wanting.

According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do not 
invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of 
desirelessness, they merely indicate desire's universality, the 
subtlety with which it operates, the reason why it is commonly 
misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation to bring it into 
manageable operation.

Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are 
emotively imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent 
desiring more than will be attained is itself unconsciously desired 
too much.  For whenever one desires to stop 'desiring more than will 
be attained', this additional, deeper desire also becomes a desire for 
more stopping than will be attained. Thus this additional, deeper 
desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to stop 
desiring more stopping than will be attained.

You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to 
get. When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any 
more stress. Any time there is stress there is wanting - even if it is 
wanting less stress. The answer to this riddle is actually very simple 
when you think about it.

According to Bahm, /"He who finally gives up trying to solve the 
problem of frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires 
and frustrations for what they are, finds the problem solved."/

>

On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com  [FairfieldLife]" 

 wrote:

On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Re"I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had 
fulfilled all desires":
And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are 
meditating* you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires 
no longer impinge on your consciousness and you are happy to remain 
just where you are. True, one could say the same thing about being 
asleep, but Indian philosophers have often taken the deep sleep 
state as a paradigm for enlightenment. No desires = fulfillment of 
desires.

>
In /Tibetan Dream Yoga/, maintaining full consciousness while in the 
dream state is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described 
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as /'Rigpa Awareness'./ Lucid dreaming is 
secondary to the experience of '/Diamond Light'/. Rigpa Awareness is 
very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, which helps the individual 
understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena. 
Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in TM.

Read more:

'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Snow Lion, 1998
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] So What Do You do?

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 8/26/2014 6:54 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Michael, that bliss is an isness. It is not a thereness as in, you are 
already there. Everything is useless and nothing is useless. You are 
that bliss, mantra is that bliss. Bliss alone is. Even the questions 
are bliss. In fact they make the bubbles of bliss rise up into 
laughter. In my experience...

>
It is obvious that different people may not see the same object as it 
is, but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same 
stimulus source. We fail to take into account the /constructed character 
of knowing/. The term constructed character of knowing may be used to 
name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before 
experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in 
consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object.

>

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:48 PM, "Michael Jackson 
mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:

So what do you do when you decide to meditate and suddenly the bliss 
becomes all there is. I mean the kind of bliss where you know that you 
are that, and that's all you are and everybody even your enemies are 
that too? I mean, what do you do with that? Mantra is useless - there 
is no place to go, you're already there. I mean what the...?

Re: [FairfieldLife] So What Do You do?

2014-08-26 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 You can still kill people, if need be, like getting rid of guys like ISIS. 
Remember Arjuna, he had it from a head Honcho to go ahead and do just that. You 
will have no choice. Nice experience. Tomorrow maybe there will be a different 
kind of experience. Whatever it is, there will be awareness of it because the 
awareness cannot be separated from it. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This was my experience this evening - it wasn't a hypothetical.
 

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] So What Do You do?
 
 
   So what do you do when you decide to meditate and suddenly the bliss becomes 
all there is. I mean the kind of bliss where you know that you are that, and 
that's all you are and everybody even your enemies are that too? I mean, what 
do you do with that? Mantra is useless - there is no place to go, you're 
already there. I mean what the...?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 27-Aug-14 00:15:08 UTC

2014-08-26 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 08/26/2014 05:15 PM, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... 
mailto:ffl.postcount@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 > 164 danfriedman2002 
 Looks like FFL has a new graffiti artist!
 

 Just another reason to watch more TV and less FFL as far as bawee's concerned, 
no doubt.

Re: [FairfieldLife] So What Do You do?

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 8/26/2014 6:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
So what do you do when you decide to meditate and suddenly the bliss 
becomes all there is. I mean the kind of bliss where you know that you 
are that, and that's all you are and everybody even your enemies are 
that too? I mean, what do you do with that? Mantra is useless - there 
is no place to go, you're already there. I mean what the...?

>
If consciousness is a series of impulses, why do we seem to be conscious 
continuously? In order to be conscious of the period between moments of 
consciousness we would have to be conscious when we are not conscious. 
Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Back By Popular Demand

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

http://youtu.be/a7a35GnfPTc

Re: [FairfieldLife] So What Do You do?

2014-08-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

This was my experience this evening - it wasn't a hypothetical.

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] So What Do You do?

So what do you do when you decide to meditate and suddenly the bliss becomes 
all there is. I mean the kind of bliss where you know that you are that, and 
that's all you are and everybody even your enemies are that too? I mean, what 
do you do with that? Mantra is useless - there is no place to go, you're 
already there. I mean what the...?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Gullible Fools We Were

2014-08-26 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Re "You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get." 
 That's necessarily true by definition but isn't it a little vacuous?

 Re "When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any more 
stress.":

 Hmm. But isn't there a difference between 
 1) saying to yourself that nothing I do is going to make a blind bit of 
difference and carrying on as everyone else does (wine, women and song, or 
whatever else floats your boat), and 
 2) following a spiritual path - meditation, say - which only makes sense if 
you think the practice chosen will make *some* difference, however little, to 
your life?

 And re Dan's (following MMY): "Material possessions are not a means of 
bondage. ": 

 They sure are! What we think we own actually owns us. All the (pitifully few) 
possessions I have surrounding me right now are also what help define me as a 
person (my learned role play in this life). We all need certain basic 
essentials - and yes, what we regard as basic has expanded over the centuries - 
but beyond that point accumulating possessions is like decorating your prison 
cell. It makes you feel more at home (and so apathetic) but the point is to 
break down the prison walls and escape! 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can fulfill 
those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that counts too but 
doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.

 >
 It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more than one 
is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going to get leads to 
frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is impossible to to stop desiring, and 
at a more subtle level, it is fruitless to want to stop desiring more than one 
is going to stop desiring, relative to wanting to stop wanting. 

 According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do not 
invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of desirelessness, they 
merely indicate desire's universality, the subtlety with which it operates, the 
reason why it is commonly misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation 
to bring it into manageable operation.

 Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are emotively 
imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent desiring more than will 
be attained is itself unconsciously desired too much.  For whenever one desires 
to stop 'desiring more than will be attained', this additional, deeper desire 
also becomes a desire for more stopping than will be attained. Thus this 
additional, deeper desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to 
stop desiring more stopping than will be attained.

 You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. 
When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any more stress. Any 
time there is stress there is wanting - even if it is wanting less stress. The 
answer to this riddle is actually very simple when you think about it. 

 According to Bahm, "He who finally gives up trying to solve the problem of 
frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires and frustrations 
for what they are, finds the problem solved."
 >

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Re "I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had 
fulfilled all desires":

 And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are meditating* 
you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires no longer impinge on 
your consciousness and you are happy to remain just where you are. True, one 
could say the same thing about being asleep, but Indian philosophers have often 
taken the deep sleep state as a paradigm for enlightenment. No desires = 
fulfillment of desires.

 >
 In Tibetan Dream Yoga, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state 
is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described by Tenzin Wangyal 
Rinpoche as 'Rigpa Awareness'. Lucid dreaming is secondary to the experience of 
'Diamond Light'. Rigpa Awareness is very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, 
which helps the individual understand the unreality of waking consciousness as 
phenomena. Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in 
TM. 

 Read more:

 'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
 by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
 Snow Lion, 1998 
 >

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Gullible Fools We Were

2014-08-26 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Re "You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get." 
 That's necessarily true by definition but isn't it a little vacuous?

 Re "When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any more 
stress.":

 Hmm. But isn't here a difference between 
 1) saying to yourself that nothing I do is going to make a blind bit of 
difference and carrying on as everyone else does (wine, women and song, or 
whatever floats your boat) and 
 2) following a spiritual path - meditation, say - which only makes sense if 
you think the practice chosen will make *some* difference, however little, to 
your life?

 And re Dan's (following MMY): "Material possessions are not a means of 
bondage. ": 

 They sure are! What we think we own actually owns us. All the (pitifully few) 
possessions I have surrounding me right now are also what help define me as a 
person (my learned role play in this life). We all need certain basic 
essentials - and yes, what we regard as basic has expanded over the centuries - 
but beyond that point accumulating possessions is like decorating your prison 
cell. It makes you feel more at home (and so apathetic) but the point is to 
break down the prison walls and escape! 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can fulfill 
those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that counts too but 
doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.

 >
 It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more than one 
is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going to get leads to 
frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is impossible to to stop desiring, and 
at a more subtle level, it is fruitless to want to stop desiring more than one 
is going to stop desiring, relative to wanting to stop wanting. 

 According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do not 
invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of desirelessness, they 
merely indicate desire's universality, the subtlety with which it operates, the 
reason why it is commonly misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation 
to bring it into manageable operation.

 Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are emotively 
imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent desiring more than will 
be attained is itself unconsciously desired too much.  For whenever one desires 
to stop 'desiring more than will be attained', this additional, deeper desire 
also becomes a desire for more stopping than will be attained. Thus this 
additional, deeper desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to 
stop desiring more stopping than will be attained.

 You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. 
When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any more stress. Any 
time there is stress there is wanting - even if it is wanting less stress. The 
answer to this riddle is actually very simple when you think about it. 

 According to Bahm, "He who finally gives up trying to solve the problem of 
frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires and frustrations 
for what they are, finds the problem solved."
 >

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Re "I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had 
fulfilled all desires":

 And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are meditating* 
you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires no longer impinge on 
your consciousness and you are happy to remain just where you are. True, one 
could say the same thing about being asleep, but Indian philosophers have often 
taken the deep sleep state as a paradigm for enlightenment. No desires = 
fulfillment of desires.

 >
 In Tibetan Dream Yoga, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state 
is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described by Tenzin Wangyal 
Rinpoche as 'Rigpa Awareness'. Lucid dreaming is secondary to the experience of 
'Diamond Light'. Rigpa Awareness is very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, 
which helps the individual understand the unreality of waking consciousness as 
phenomena. Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in 
TM. 

 Read more:

 'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
 by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
 Snow Lion, 1998 
 >

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Day in the Life (of A TM'er)

2014-08-26 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I had forgotten the "leave the room the governors need to have a meeting" deal 
- that happened to me too.  

 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Day in the Life (of A TM'er)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
Thanks Sal and in fact it was the elitism I watched building in the Movement 
after the advent of the TM Siddhi Programme, especially after there came to be 
lots of Governors coming off the 6 month courses that directly inspired that 
bit of writing. 
Oddly enough I didn't really see the elitism catch on till after Marshy 
revealed what they were doing on the 6 month courses. Then the Governors could 
be properly arrogant around the plebeian non-siddhis initiators and
us meditators were relegated to the status of worms. 
=
Worms, LOL. Bet you didn't see that coming when you started on the highest path!
=
It used to really fucking annoy me when I had to leave the room during meetings 
because the "governors" wanted to talk, like they had some big secrets we mere 
mortals couldn't understand! I was working there for crissakes, how can you 
have a management structure so inefficient? No wonder we failed, but that's 
probably not the only reason I suspect...
=They all wanted me to do TTC for some reason, glad I resisted but I doubt they 
would've accepted me, I thought SCI was a crock and that's probably not the 
best start 
=

 From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday,
August 18, 2014 2:23 PMSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Day in the Life (of A 
TM'er)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
Michael, it's simply that I don't know any TM govs who live this way. 
=
The bit about mixed marriages was inspired, proper funny. I've met siddha's who 
don't like mixing with mere meditators and think they are wasting their lives. 
I can't imagine what the rarified heights of governorship must do to a flabby 
ego!
=
So I couldn't even think of your piece as satire. Maybe revisionist history?
=
I saw it more as a send up of how TM wanted to be rather than how it ended up.
=
On Monday, August 18, 2014 11:37 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:

God damn! Something is bad wrong with you if that's your take away on this! 
Can't wait to see what you think of Part 2 and 3.

 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Day in the Life (of A TM'er)

This reminds me that what was totally courageous and creative and compassionate 
about what Maharishi did, is that he took steps to bring a rich spiritual life 
to householders. Gratitude...  

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:02 PM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:

A Day in the Life (of
a TM'er)
Governor wakes up, but in fact he has not been asleep having
witnessed his sleep all night long and we all know that witnessing sleep is the
acid test of conscious awareness.

He gets up, stretches and doesn't look at his wife or touch
her since it is the first day of her "resting time."

Governor goes to the bathroom, feeling total bliss in his
body and preforms his morning ablutions. He sits on the toilet and lets fly. 
Since
he takes his Maharishi Ayurveda™ triphala every night one hour before bed with
warm water he is always ayurvedically regular.

He gets up, performs his oil massage and goes downstairs to
make himself a cup of dosha specific tea. Normally the little woman would have
made it already, but today being the first day of her "resting cycle"
it would sully the vibrations of the tea for her to touch it or even think of it
so Governor does it herself.

He sits thinking blissful thoughts, watching the squirrels
and birds talk to each other. At a certain point he opens the window so he can 
hear
what they are saying, he having received the sutra for understanding the
language of animals. No matter what they say, the sounds create waves of bliss
in Governor's awareness.

"Can I come down yet, honey? I'm hungry." Comes the
plaintive wail from his missus.

"Nooo, you know I am not supposed to see you or touch
you before noon today. What would the vaidyas think?" Governor says with
some irritation (but of course it couldn't have been real irritation, not from
such a sattvic fellow. It must have just appeared as irritation for his wife to
work out some of her karma with.)  "Just
wait a bit. I'm almost finished."

Missus maintains a respectful silence and waits her turn in
the kitchen. He could fix her something to eat, but focusing on her in her
condition might sully his own vibrations, and of course one's state of
awareness is the most important thing.

Governor gets up and goes out on the east facing deck. It is
such a nice morning, mild and sattvic that Governor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


That kind of diagnosis is generally done by feeling the subdosha pulses.

On 08/26/2014 06:24 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. 
That was Dr. Triguna's thing.



I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India.  I thought he 
called it pretty well.


He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.

I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.

Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse 
diagnosis.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"For the record" a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science 
based.  Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a 
lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented 
by the conservative mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're 
beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of 
the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use 
have some validity.  Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither 
does just one medical approach to a problem.


On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense,
was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is
basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time
the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty
primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'.
Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts
found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the
alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice.
Science-Based Medicine 




image 


Science-Based Medicine 
Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the
relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm... 

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all
for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here
before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been
there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second,
possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers
exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of
that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy
*anyway*, never having to "go there" and put any attention on my
health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the
health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma,
but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine
or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream
specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't
think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them
put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in
their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about
it).

Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more
attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they
don't. They want a "quick cure." And they want it whether it
comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a
Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers --
whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because
people go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure
me, cure me!" They're not willing to do the work every day that
keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone
else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was Dr. 
Triguna's thing. 

 I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India.  I thought he called it 
pretty well.
 

 He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.
 

 I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.
 

 Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based.  Only 
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a lot of university 
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative 
mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're beginning to catch on and 
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine 
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity.  Just like one size shoe 
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.
 
 On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine
 
 
 
 
 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 
 
 
 
 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
 
 
 
 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 27-Aug-14 00:15:08 UTC

2014-08-26 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

On 08/26/2014 05:15 PM, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Replicating The Meissner-like Effect of Consciousness and Square Roots

2014-08-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

Well, 250,000 is just under 1% of the entire country of Peru, so if they're 
really interested in Maharishi Effect stuff, it would be on a national level. 
Unless those students were spread throughout the entire country, it would be an 
ok study, as far as I am concerned (assuming that it happens, and that they 
actually are going to analyze what results, etc). 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, Initiators.  Like regular folks as meditators turned in to transcending 
meditation teachers.  That was done before and it worked for a while at a time 
pretty well in the early/mid-1970's.  It could be done again.  It is being done 
with some good effect in the David Lynch side of TM.   "You read that 
correctly: regular old school teachers will be trained as TM teachers."
 A couple of things that Raja Luis recently said that are relevant: 
 1) The government of Peru is apparently seriously looking at having 250,000 
students learn TM. An important innovation of what they apparently will be 
doing is that existing school teachers will be sent to TM teacher training in 
order to implement the Quiet Time Program in many schools in Peru.
 

 You read that correctly: regular old school teachers will be trained as TM 
teachers.
 

 2) This is apparently to be part of a very large scale test of the Maharishi 
Effect, and many/most of the kids will eventually be taught the TM-SIdhis, if I 
understood what Raja Luis said.
 

 If it's a test will they be publishing the criterion to be measured 
beforehand? It seems to me that this might be a good test of what happens to a 
society if you teach loads of kids to meditate, but not a good test of any 
supernatural powers like the ME.
 

 The problem is that the subjects will be living amongst the people that will 
ultimately be measured on how they behave. This a very poor control. 250,000 is 
a lot of people to suddenly have some sort of transformational experience, it 
seems highly likely that any effect they get off TM will affect their parents 
and beyond. Even if it's just enthusiasm or them absorbing the general values 
of the TMO (but hopefully not its leaders) you won't ever be able to say that 
what is happening in society is because of increased "coherence" due to 
exposure to some sort of unknown field effect and not just a happier atmosphere 
at home.
 

 It wouldn't get past James Randi at any rate, which is a shame because his 
million dollar prize would pay for a lot of Girish's legal fees. The only way 
you'll prove the ME - without coming up with an explanation of how it might 
possibly work - is by having a large group of people in a troubled country 
without anyone else knowing about it. That's the only way you'll be sure that 
you aren't just measuring some sort of happy upward trend like when a country's 
national team wins a football match or something. 
 

 Marshy said that individual people are the units of world peace and I agree 
but it isn't how the ME is supposed to work and that's what we are interested 
in but at least we'll get an idea of how large scale meditation works - if 
indeed it does.
 

 Unless of course, the Marshy effect is so overwhelmingly obvious that the 
world sits up and takes note and we all live happily ever after and Nabby's 
highly trained Space Teachers aren't even needed! I remain optimistic but not 
holding my breath.
 

 Just a heads up.
 

 If you get any other info do post it here.
 

 L
 

 

 So often the exercise of our policy of the TM movement was all about science 
testing in large ways. A failure more recently was that we never really got the 
critical and necessary large numbers to be able to pursue the replication 
studies during the Invincibility courses. Never got the critical numbers over 
2,000 meditating in America together for long enough. Did not get the requisite 
numbers of pundits together for long enough. 
 
  The livestock evidently has left the barn, left the barnyard too and gone 
down the road. That simply is where TM is at now for its fund-raising to do 
large science anymore. Seems now aground on shoals of past ethical performance. 
Apparently towards the end as it became evident that the Howard Settle money 
was not going to be forthcoming any longer they canvased other rich people for 
supplemental support in donations to bring more pundits and keep the course 
going, the response was: 'let me see other people do it before I do it' 
..Herding cats. The project evidently foundered for a basic lack of trust of 
the inside. Damn. That was even before Girish Varma came to be in his troubles 
and put in to 'judicial-custody' jail in India for evident improprieties that 
could then be read about in the papers.  
 

 It does have to be said that if the unavoidable positivity of TM and the 
Marshy Effect were a real thing maybe Girish wouldn't be on bail for sexual 
assault and various other sinister charges?
 

 Even if it all turns out to be untrue, should the head of t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/12&13/14-Maharishi: As we take care of ourself, the world will take of itself for us on that level

2014-08-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

As I pointed out and you ave comveniently forgot, a single Yoga retreat center 
has about 1 suicide every two years, and about 1-2% per year are mentally 
incapacitated for up to a month after the retreat, in a center that has 
accommodations for 96 people, including staff. 

 

 With 40,000 TM teachers who went through training, the above stats would 
translate into 200 suicides while on TTC and up to 800 people who were 
incapacitated.
 

 Are you REALLY claiming this?
 

 

 L
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would have to say that you began your reading of my points with your own 
bias, which was to invalidate everything I said.
 

 TM doesn't quiet the mind - we do that as we release the normal link we have 
to constantly thinking thoughts - the mantra is a convenience. What we 
experience is not exactly mood making, but some of it is. 

 

 Bottom line, the negative effects associated with TM are not seen in other 
meditations. Why some are affected and others not, I don't know. But the 
unstressing deal which is NOT good is very real and the basket cases and 
suicides and attempted suicides are a testament to that.
 

 If someone were to ask me about meditation I would direct them just about 
anywhere other than TM. As far as you asking me about this, I would have to say 
if you reaaal think TM is so groovy, you would be teaching it 
because it is so valuable to others and you would be doing TMSP. 

 

 So how about coming clean and telling us why you don't do TMSP and why you 
don't teach? It has to be more than just you need a job that pays. I have known 
TM teachers who work full time and teach on the side because they believe in TM 
so much. 
 

 Do you contribute to the yagya programs and any of the other "causes" the 
Movement asks for money for all the time? Just how committed to TM are you?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 12:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/12&13/14-Maharishi: As we take care of 
ourself, the world will take of itself for us on that level
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : This does 
bring up a lot of things. In all honesty I agreed with and bought into all of 
Marshy's blabber. But I don't any longer. 
 
 One of the things I disagree with is the idea that the mind's natural tendency 
is to go to greater fields of charm. Life experience shows that in fact the 
human mind does just the opposite. The TM belief is that the human tendency to 
go toward greater fields of stress, pain, agony, suffering and so forth is an 
aberration. 
 
 Prove it. Human experience suggests otherwise. Take a bunch of people, put 
them in a nice place like Yosemite, or the Snake River in Wyoming. Then let 
loose a bear on one side of the group. Or let three guys start to argue and 
fight. What will the entire group focus on. The beauty all around them? Or the 
stress?
 
 Michael, there is one precondition we have to agree on, and I don't think it 
is major.  That is, that in the earthly experience, there is both good and bad. 
 Forget about karma, just that people will sometimes act in way that is 
generally considered bad.
 
 But inspite of this people will still act always act in a way that they feel 
will bring them greater happiness, greater knowledge, greater power.  The 
results will not always be positive, but that is how people will act.
 
 If someone likes hamburgers and not pizza, then they are not going to go to 
restaurant that serves pizza.  People will select a movie based on what they 
think will bring them greater enjoyment.
 
 It is very basic, but maybe you disagree with it.
 
 There are a million examples one can think of. I realize it is not a popular 
notion. People would rather believe that humans are really very noble creatures 
who have just temporarily lost their way. Human history suggests otherwise. 
 
 That being said, I doubt that the so-called transcendent contains the ultimate 
"field" of charm for the human mind. As so many spiritual aspirants can attest, 
one can have these charming experiences sometimes for years and the good old 
human mind drifts away again in favor of something a bit less picturesque. 
 
 Now of course we have stories about people (generally men) who got in that 
exalted state and remained there for the rest of their lives on earth. But that 
doesn't mean we have a field of ultimate charm the mind is aching to always go 
towards. If that were the case once we reach that field one should naturally 
stay there forever. The experiences of meditators show that obviously is not 
true. We go to what intrigues us most even if it is morbid or macabre, not some 
imaginary field of charm.
 
 And so what?  It again proves the point, that people will go to what they find 
most interesting.  You may make a value judgement, that what they find most 
interesting is not a good thing, but that is only your bias.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desire, was What Gullible Fools We Were

2014-08-26 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Dan, for more on this, see SBeing, ArtL pg 238



On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:32 PM, danfriedman2002  
wrote:
 


  
Rich and richer,

Your are right (and Rich again).

This one's for Share, because I never, ever think I disagree with what is Right:


"Material possessions don't 
bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled 
desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we 
don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us 
in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If 
anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind 
us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, 
joy, peace. 

"Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the 
non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the 
point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds 
us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are
 a means of joy, happiness.

"What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, 
ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is 
unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about 
this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material 
possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness."

 - Maharishi
~"Growth of Consciousness" 

~Humboldt State University,  USA~August 1970~


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


On 8/26/2014 5:37 PM, danfriedman2002
wrote:

 
>>
>>
>>Dearest Share and Richard,
>>
>>Desire is good.
>>
>>Desire for Enlightenment.
>>
>>No regrets, hear?
>>
>
>Dan, you are a fast reader - better to let this one sink in slowly:
>
>Because the desire to prevent
desiring more than will be attained is itself unconsciously desired
too much.  For whenever one desires to stop 'desiring more than will
be attained', this additional, deeper desire also becomes a desire
for more stopping than will be attained. Thus this additional,
deeper desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to
stop desiring more stopping than will be attained. You  are only
going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get.
>>
>
>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>On
8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once
heard from a
friend that we can fulfill those less than
wonderful
desires in dream state. And that counts too
but
doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.
>>>
>
>>It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be
enlightened more
than one is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than
one is going
to get leads to frustration, lamentation, and grief. It
is
impossible to to stop desiring, and at a more subtle
level, it is
fruitless to want to stop desiring more than one is
going to stop
desiring, relative to wanting to stop wanting. 
>>
>>According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical
difficulties do
not invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a
state of
desirelessness, they merely indicate desire's
universality, the
subtlety with which it operates, the reason why it is
commonly
misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation to
bring it
into manageable operation.
>>
>>Base desire also works subtly, not merely because
desires are
emotively imprecise, but especially because the desire
to prevent
desiring more than will be attained is itself
unconsciously desired
too much.  For whenever one desires to stop 'desiring
more than will
be attained', this additional, deeper desire also
becomes a desire
for more stopping than will be attained. Thus this
additional,
deeper desire requires its own additional, still deeper
desire to
stop desiring more stopping than will be attained.
>>
>>You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you
are going
to get. When you realize this, you will be free and
there won't be
any more stress. Any time there is stress there is
wanting - even if
it is wanting less stress. The answer to this riddle is
actually
very simple when you think about it. 
>>
>>According to Bahm, "He who finally gives up trying
to solve the
problem of frustration, thereby becoming willing to
accept his
desires and frustrations for what they are, finds the
problem
solved."
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On
Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM,
"'Richard J.
Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>On
8/25/2014
8:59 PM, s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>Re"I have
never met a
single TM'er who
could
honestly say they
had
fulfilled all
desires":
>>>And
yet,
. . ., and yet . . .
Isn't it the case
that *when
you are meditating*
you often
enter a state in
which your
quotidian desires no
longer
impinge on your
consciousness
and you are happy to
remain
just where you are.
True, one
could say the same
thing about
being asleep, but
Indian
philosophers have
often taken
the deep sleep state
as a
paradigm

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Where We Went and Why We Went There

2014-08-26 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Richard, this is one of my favorite places in the whole wide world...



On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:22 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
We went to this place so we could swim in a swimming pool.



Barton Springs Pool, Austin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Desire, was What Gullible Fools We Were

2014-08-26 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Richard, for me the answer lies in being at peace energetically, in the body. 
No mood making. No trying to think a certain way, or feel a certain way. Peace 
in the energy field means that desire does not arise. Or if it does, one is at 
peace with it. 

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:13 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:

On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

>Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can fulfill 
>those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that counts too but 
>doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.
>
>
It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more
than one is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going
to get leads to frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is
impossible to to stop desiring, and at a more subtle level, it is
fruitless to want to stop desiring more than one is going to stop
desiring, relative to wanting to stop wanting. 

According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do
not invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of
desirelessness, they merely indicate desire's universality, the
subtlety with which it operates, the reason why it is commonly
misunderstood, and the need for a special meditation to bring it
into manageable operation.

Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are
emotively imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent
desiring more than will be attained is itself unconsciously desired
too much.  For whenever one desires to stop 'desiring more than will
be attained', this additional, deeper desire also becomes a desire
for more stopping than will be attained. Thus this additional,
deeper desire requires its own additional, still deeper desire to
stop desiring more stopping than will be attained.

You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going
to get. When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be
any more stress. Any time there is stress there is wanting - even if
it is wanting less stress. The answer to this riddle is actually
very simple when you think about it. 

According to Bahm, "He who finally gives up trying to solve the problem of 
frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires and frustrations 
for what they are, finds the problem solved."
>

>
>
>On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
>pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
> 
>
>
>  
>On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
>  
>>Re"I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had fulfilled 
>>all desires":
>>And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are 
>>meditating* you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires no longer 
>>impinge on your consciousness and you are happy to remain just where you are. 
>>True, one could say the same thing about being asleep, but Indian 
>>philosophers have often taken the deep sleep state as a paradigm for 
>>enlightenment. No desires = fulfillment of desires.
>
>In Tibetan Dream Yoga, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state 
>is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described by Tenzin Wangyal 
>Rinpoche as 'Rigpa Awareness'. Lucid dreaming is secondary to the experience 
>of 'Diamond Light'. Rigpa Awareness is very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in 
>TM, which helps the individual understand the unreality of waking 
>consciousness as phenomena. Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa 
>Awareness as in TM. 
>
>Read more:
>
>'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
>by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
>Snow Lion, 1998 
>>
>
>
>
>

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