[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you are not in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy. Congratulations. Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I started to read and lurk there for a few weeks. I was very impressed with some of the topics discussed and the responses. Then I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental (now Google Groups) and so I decided to join. What a disappointment! It was like a bar room brawl - Judy was there and Barry and Lon P. Stacks (RIP) and they were thrashing it out with that Asshole Nick (Andrew Skolnick) the science journalist. Judy did her best to defend her position
[FairfieldLife] MIU Promo Video 1981
The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook Trung Nghĩa | Facebook Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you arenot in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy. Congratulations. Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I
[FairfieldLife] Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
Ah, it reminds me of my school days. Sweet memories... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you are not in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy. Congratulations. Years ago, when the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
Sal, I guess Share will have to take you to task cuz you just NUKED this Marshy sycophant! Well done, and well said. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you arenot in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy. Congratulations. Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I started to read and lurk there for a few weeks. I was very impressed with some of the topics discussed and the responses. Then I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental (now
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
Played fine on my ipad in Mercury browser, which is not logged into FB. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote : I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you are not in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Fleetwood, perfect choice! Just the fact that he had to dig back 33 years shows how desperate he is. imo. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Ain't it just like you, to continually check in to make sure its still a cult, in your mind. Spending your time like another informant was wont to do, by perusing the internet to see what tidbits you can come up with. A score, a score!! Hey everybody, look what I found from 1981!. See, it's a cult. Just what I've been saying on a daily basis for 20 years. A cult I tell ya! Thank god, I'm way past this TM thing. Not like you losers What's in store for this afternoon? Really, you can't make this stuff up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
How do you like the Mercury browser? From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick Played fine on my ipad in Mercury browser, which is not logged into FB. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote : I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook Trung Nghĩa | Facebook Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you arenot in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, I guess Share will have to take you to task cuz you just NUKED this Marshy sycophant! Well done, and well said. Well, I don't mind what he's into. Just that he expects me to be into it or he'll throw a tantrum. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you are not in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy. Congratulations. Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Programming and Meta-programming the Human Biocomputer
Richard, very cool article which says: The cerebral cortex functions as a high-level computer controlling the structurally lower levels of the nervous system. I wonder if this POV isn't a bit behind the times. These days scientists talk about brain cells in the gut, for example. Does the cerebral cortex really control the nervous system? Isn't the whole organism and even the whole planet and universe in one big biofeedback loop? Is the analyzer really the controller? What do you think? On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:21 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Part 1: Matter as condensed energy consciousness. According to Michael Talbot, writing in 'Mysticism and the New Physics' yoga, both Tibetan and Indian, has much to say about the structure of matter that parallels the world view of the quantum physicists. This same view was held by the ancient tantrists, but with an important extrapolation upon the participator principle. Matter is condensed energy, but it is the condensed energy of chit, or consciousness itself. Talbot makes a very important point: We cannot think of matter as either existing or not existing. The consciousness cannot truly create matter - there is no such thing as matter. There is only the constructive interference of the interpenetrating universe. Talbot then asks: Is the clue to understanding and controlling the reality-structurer an attitude or mental outlook? Very few of us realize the absolute power of the human consciousness. Indeed, that is why we are able to maintain existence in our one cherished environment. To answer this we may assume the position that John C. Lilly takes in Programming and Meta-programming the Human Bio-computer. The cerebral cortex functions as a high-level computer controlling the structurally lower levels of the nervous system. It is a biocomputer. When one uses language or symbols, analyzes, makes metaphors, or, in short, learns to learn, one is 'metaprogrammming' the human biocomputer. According to Talbot: In this light we may view the directions of the ancient texts as metaprograms. When we view ourselves as separate from reality, this view in itself is a metaprogram. If we view dreaming and waking experience as identical, this view is simply another metaprogram. The metaprogram that dreaming and waking experience are identical is preliminary to teaching the biocomputer how to control the reality-structurer. There are, then, several ways to trigger the reality-structurer. The first can be found in the philosophy behind the visualization rites prescribed by Vajrayana Buddhism; another is Patanjali's Yoga and the TM meditation of Maharishi. Don Juan echoes this point when he tells Castaneda that the tonal does not create anything The tonal only witnesses. According to Don Juan, it is the Nagual that creates. The Nagual is the reality that lies beyond our perceptions. It encompasses all possible realities. But what's creativity then? asks Castaneda. Posted to alt.dreams.castaneda
Mercury browser (was: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick)
I quite like it. I used to use Chrome, but Google decided to completely ruin it. So, I searched for a replacement and found Mercury. It has some handy multitouch gestures for navigating web pages that I find very convenient. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : How do you like the Mercury browser? From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick Played fine on my ipad in Mercury browser, which is not logged into FB.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Yeah, there's not much point in paying attention to Turq's well-established routine. At MIU in the early to mid-1980s, we had some truly remarkable students. Very, very smart people; it was a pleasure to have them in the classroom. I still remember some of the discussions we had in class. Absolutely brilliant. Some very smart faculty too. The place was alive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] World News [1 Attachment]
WE WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE GATES OF HELL! KITTERY, Maine ---/Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday said America will follow the terrorists who posted videos showing the beheading of two journalists to the gates of hell.../ Associated Press: http://news.yahoo.com/biden-well-terrorists-gates-hell-172605977.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oops! I Did It Again [1 Attachment]
*WARNING* Do NOT click on the link below. Do so at your own risk. If you click on the link below you will be inserting an ear worm inside you head - a mind hummer will take over your brain. You will go to sleep with this hummer - you will wake up with this hummer. When you are driving down the street in your car, you will be humming this tune. If you are one of the fortunate ones, only the first five words will you remember. But, these five words will have you hooked for days and may be cause for a probable insanity defense. Don't do it, I beg of you. Pay attention. *You have been warned!* On 9/2/2014 6:48 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: http://youtu.be/CduA0TULnow A Visit To Heaven on Earth - Dateline 2003 Vedic City, Iowa - So, we were sitting right in the middle of /Heaven on Earth/, at the Rukmapura Park Hotel, a bargain at $89 a night, in beautiful downtown Vedic City. Rita was visiting the Raj for an Ayervedic treatment and I've just finished a delicious Ayervedic meal in the dinning room. I'm listening to the /Rain Melody/ for perhaps the tenth time this weekend. The six-wheeled Layton was safely parked and we got around town in Dad's diesel Dodge Ram, the one with the tandem wheels and with a fifth wheel. With a few minutes to spare before we are back on our CCP, I will puruse Mandala IX of the Rik Veda, even though I can't read a lick of Sanskrit. Is this it? If I'm on top of the world, then where's the wi-fi for my Apple Power Book? On day two we visited MUM for a few hours. There's only one problem: from what I can see, there's not many TMers around Fairfield who could afford to take a single course at the university, even if instruction in the TMSP technique and a Dome Pass is included at no extra charge! The only people enrolled here must have grants from Sonia Gandhi over in India! But, it's no loss to me, since the instructors up there haven't even heard of Macromedia Cold Fusion! I'd be just as well off taking another computer course from Austin Community College for $350. Where's Lenz when you need him? One thing I can say in Rama's favor - he taught his students how to make a living. Case in point: Barry Wright, enjoying the good life over in Paris, tapping on a few computer keys, while we suffer out in the badlands of America, trying to get a decent meal and pay the rent. I guess you got to serve somebody. Last I heard, most of Lenz's followers went over to that other saint, the Adi Da, who has a place up on the Mount of Attention. Is that place on top of the world too? Go figure. Oops! I did it again - I'm off the program - /I just posted a note to an online forum!/ Links: Quietly elegant. Maharishi Sthapatya Veda design hotel and extended stay suites in the tradition of European Country Inns: http://www.rukmapuraparkhotel.com/ (Originally posted to alt.meditation.transcendental)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, there's not much point in paying attention to Turq's well-established routine. At MIU in the early to mid-1980s, we had some truly remarkable students. Very, very smart people; it was a pleasure to have them in the classroom. I still remember some of the discussions we had in class. Absolutely brilliant. Some very smart faculty too. The place was alive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
And the cult of Seinfeld brings it right back to TM... Desperado/Witchy Woman - Seinfeld http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag Desperado/Witchy Woman - Seinfeld http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag ©1995 - Castle Rock Entertainment, Sony Pictures Entertainment View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag Preview by Yahoo I swear, hardly a day goes by that something doesn't bring up a Seinfeld reference. And, yes, we do own the complete series DVD boxed set. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com wrote : Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Parroting is one of the ways we learn, but the object of education is to make the mind more flexible, to learn how to learn. One of the things I found objectionable about MIU was an emphasis, at least from some instructors, on saying things the way Maharishi said them. I came into understanding this consciousness thing by way of Zen, Sufism, and a few other things, and Maharishi's explanations eventually added another layer of jargon. The point is to get through the jargon — you have to use some jargon in this business — and find a way to express yourself that truly represents what you experience. If you have no experience, you only have the jargon. As it turned out for me, no system of description really nails what happens in experience or adequately covers what one knows. After a time, the pile of jargon, which one does retain, becomes a resource which one can combine and recombine at will, and the wider the selection one has, from as many sources as one has, the more closely you can match those terms to your experience. I recall many instances from my time in the movement when people would jump on me because I did not use movement jargon verbatim or used terms and concepts from other traditions. Also I was approaching the age of 30 when I learned TM, so a lot of that pliability of manipulation you find in younger minds was already in retreat. Kids coming up through the Maharishi School etc., are going to have a problem in later life. I went through public schools, had rejected spirituality as having any relevance by the time I was in high school, and when the spiritual side of life came into my awareness by a totally non-verbal experience when I was in my late twenties, I had absolutely no way understanding what it was about, just an intuitive feel that I should pursue it. Now I find some of Maharishi's terminology useful, but my experiences did not unfold in the linear way his descriptions seem to imply. And I discovered that most of things Maharishi associated with TM, like world peace, happiness, health, etc., were really mostly irrelevant in the pursuit of enlightenment because they only appeal to the ego-infested state of experience. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 Dr. Pete [...] I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. I'm happy for you. But at the same time I'm a little sad that all these years on you've developed so little discrimination that you're happy to remain a cultist. Most of my friends from the TM days figured out what Maharishi was about and how he had suckered all of us into his cult back in the mid-70s, before this video was even made. We can *understand* believing this kind of idiotic cult stuff, because we were there and we believed it, too. We were idiots. What we *can't* understand is how someone could possibly *still* believe it, all these decades later, and choose to *remain* idiots. That's somewhat scary. There is simply no way we can identify with anyone that weak-willed and weak-minded. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Off the iCloud
SAN ANTONIO --- Apple store employees in San Antonio contacted Eva Longoria by using her personal account information and broke into her email, the actress said Tuesday... 'Eva Longoria: Apple store employee in San Antonio broke into my email, called me' San Antonio Express-News: http://www.mysanantonio.com/Eva-Longoria-Apple-store/ http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Eva-Longoria-Apple-store-employee-in-San-Antonio-5730578.php#photo-6800146 On 9/2/2014 10:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It looks like it's over for Apple. Steve Jobs is probably turning over in his grave. Tim Cook should probably resign. This is going to cost Apple billions - they may never recover their reputation. Lesson: Get off the iCloud. Brute force, also known as 'brute force cracking', is a trial-and-error method used to get plain-text passwords from encrypted data. Read more: Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news//iCloud/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740034/Kirsten-Dunst-leads-criticism-company-actively-investigates-claims-hundreds-stars-nude-images-stolen-iCloud.html#ixzz3CDcAJ000
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Parroting is one of the ways we learn, but the object of education is to make the mind more flexible, to learn how to learn. One of the things I found objectionable about MIU was an emphasis, at least from some instructors, on saying things the way Maharishi said them. I came into understanding this consciousness thing by way of Zen, Sufism, and a few other things, and Maharishi's explanations eventually added another layer of jargon. The point is to get through the jargon — you have to use some jargon in this business — and find a way to express yourself that truly represents what you experience. If you have no experience, you only have the jargon. But many people can *fake* experience just by repeating the jargon faithfully. That, after all, is what every TM teacher in history was doing when they were talking about enlightenment. I think we can safely say that not one of them actually *was* enlightened, especially way back in the 70s and 80s and 90s, but they had been trained to repeat Maharishi's dogma *about* enlightenment so faithfully that many TM newbs became convinced that they actually were enlightened. Many low-vibe initiators actually took advantage of this, and when some starry-eyed newb came up to them saying, Oh, you've been meditating for five years...you *must* be enlightened... they would look sheepish and say, We're not supposed to talk about our state of consciousness. Another piece of dogma they'd learned to parrot from Maharishi, but in this case one that conveyed the impression that yes, they *were* enlightened. In other words, this was an example of dogma and jargon used for the purpose of LYING. As it turned out for me, no system of description really nails what happens in experience or adequately covers what one knows. I'd go further. No description or set of jargon/dogma ever created in human history to describe the process of enlightenment was ever accurate, or of use. It was just something for ignorant people to hold onto so that they could pretend to themselves that they understood something that can never be understood. After a time, the pile of jargon, which one does retain, becomes a resource which one can combine and recombine at will, and the wider the selection one has, from as many sources as one has, the more closely you can match those terms to your experience. Even so, the map will never either *be* the territory or match the territory. I recall many instances from my time in the movement when people would jump on me because I did not use movement jargon verbatim or used terms and concepts from other traditions. Also I was approaching the age of 30 when I learned TM, so a lot of that pliability of manipulation you find in younger minds was already in retreat. Kids coming up through the Maharishi School etc., are going to have a problem in later life. And many of them certainly did. I went through public schools, had rejected spirituality as having any relevance by the time I was in high school, and when the spiritual side of life came into my awareness by a totally non-verbal experience when I was in my late twenties, I had absolutely no way understanding what it was about, just an intuitive feel that I should pursue it. Now I find some of Maharishi's terminology useful, but my experiences did not unfold in the linear way his descriptions seem to imply. I find *none* of his terminology accurate or useful, *except* when chatting with people here. I use Maharishi's bullshit here because people speak it like a common language. If I used terms I'm more comfortable with, most people wouldn't understand what I was talking about. So I can refer to BS like seven states of consciousness to communicate with some TMer who still believes there are only seven, while at the same time knowing that the reality is closer to the Buddhist 10,000 states of mind. I sometimes think Maharishi settled for 7 because he intuitively understood that most of the people he was dealing with were not smart enough to count higher than that. :-) And I discovered that most of things Maharishi associated with TM, like world peace, happiness, health, etc., were really mostly irrelevant in the pursuit of enlightenment because they only appeal to the ego-infested state of experience. But that's both who he was selling to, and what he was selling. He never really sold or intended to sell anything to get one past the ego. TM and all of his techniques -- plus most of his pandering to people telling them how important they were -- were IMO designed to *increase* ego, and generate self-importance. I would say that he was successful in developing *that* in many of his students. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share That was a lot of fun watching that. It was the same time period when I was attending there and it doesn't look anything like that anymore based on the photos I have seen recently online. Thanks for that glimpse into the past when we were optimistic, positive and perhaps living under a false delusion but it was a good time and it gave me a chuckle. I'd like to see the current recruitment production from MUM. I'll look it up. If nothing else, production values will certainly have changed but probably not the message. Still, most things exist as valid within a certain time frame. Those days somehow made it all current and relevant and hopefully true. Now, it doesn't feel quite so much like the time is ripe for this or that the context is currently still in existence but it was a fun glimpse into the past.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late Well damn if you didn't just pull one out of thin air. Three stars for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] For Ann, was For Rick
On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you arenot in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. On 9/4/2014 1:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. Do you have an anti-social problem? Why is it so difficult for you to carry on a decent conversation? If I wanted to exchange fluff or drivel with you I would have put For Salyavin808 in the subject line. Look me straight in the eye and see if I give a shit what you materialists do with your spare time. Have a nice day. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you should, you are the biggest buffoon here, that you admit that you want to deliberately ruin it because you don't like having your beliefs criticised or that isn't a pro-TM site is quite pathetic but you lack the perspective to see that obviously. It should have rung an alarm bell with Rick but he doesn't seem to care either. But nor do I because if you are a shining example of what a life on the Highest Path can do then you should keep it up so any lurkers can get a feel for the sort of mature behaviour you can develop. And run a mile.There's your legacy. Congratulations. Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Why rub more salt into a wounded Turq - everyone knows Seinfeld used to be his hero until he learned the comedian has been doing TM regulary for 40 years !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
I actually see both sides. As everyone on FFL knows I am no lover of the Movement, but I do have some good memories of MIU, particularly of the people I met and made friends with. And I will always have good feelings about some of them and about the things we shared and in a few cases the friendships that endure to this day. At the same time, I recognize that the University was a money machine to fuel Marshy's greedy habit and that all of us there were being brainwashed to some degree or other to support Marshy's addiction to attention and money. I was there when ayurveda and jyotish were first announced so I got to see the bull shit really start to fly. So in the final analysis, I most certainly am not proud that I was a cog in the larger wheel of the Old Goat's machinations to make the world his bitch. It was interesting to see some of the people in the video like Geoffrey Baker - he was one of the few faculty members when I was there who would sit and talk to a nobody plebeian kitchen worker like myself. I had a few conversations with him over dinner in Annapurna about art and that good old Rishikesh course. By the time I knew him he had grown into a bona fide curmudgeon. He had a private studio somewhere in town where he would paint. One day some MIU student who admired the old guy walked by and started peering in through the front window - Baker came flying out of his studio and raised hell with the kid, accusing him of invading his privacy, having no manners and so forth - I think the guy had to go change his britches after the lambasting he got. One of the Norwegian girls there who was an art student hated Baker because every time he saw any of the Norwegians walking around he would say Trolls! The trolls are coming! and stare at them. She didn't much care for it. So my bottom line is for the time and the fact that all of us were brainwashed sycophants to some extent or other it was a grand place to be with some great people and some jerks, a very few great faculty members like Geoffrey and a lot more who, well. Glad I got out and look forward to MUM losing its accreditation as it should, being sold off for parts by Girish and Buck finally having to admit the Marshy Effect is made up bullshit. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. I'm happy for you. But at the same time I'm a little sad that all these years on you've developed so little discrimination that you're happy to remain a cultist. Most of my friends from the TM days figured out what Maharishi was about and how he had suckered all of us into his cult back in the mid-70s, before this video was even made. We can *understand* believing this kind of idiotic cult stuff, because we were there and we believed it, too. We were idiots. What we *can't* understand is how someone could possibly *still* believe it, all these decades later, and choose to *remain* idiots. That's somewhat scary. There is simply no way we can identify with anyone that weak-willed and weak-minded. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. I was there from 1975-1981 and it was not only a good place to be but THE place to be. Great memories, good times, deep friendships. If anyone thinks we were a bunch of bliss ninnies then you weren't in the art department - we had some of the wildest, craziest individuals in the history of MIU in that major. Teddy Burghoff, Chester Overlock, Jody Porter, Claudia Chadwick and many others who kept that school hoppin' and on its creative toes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] MIU Promo Video 1981
You said you didn't read messages from the incredibly brainwashed people on this forum. How are those Yahoo Mail filters working out for you? On 9/4/2014 1:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. I loved watching this tape. I worked in the video production studio there and it was fun to see and to remember it all as I watched the camera work, editing, sets etc. . Great memories. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
According to Barry, he never reads messages from Willytex. According to Judy, Barry is a liar. Go figure. On 9/4/2014 2:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf image https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Preview by Yahoo *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you arenot in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. When I joined FFL I was still a twice-a-day siddha, I just wanted to read the Kaplan letter and see what the fuss was about. So I joined up and then all the utter bullshit I had witnessed by people in the TMO, all the crappy philosophy from Marshy that had been bugging me, all the scams, all the obvious cultishness, delusion and True Believerism, it all crystalised into a proper understanding and made me realise that it was all merely a hopeful delusion, I'd been had and that was that. And so were you. Reading this list over the years, and in particular the responses of the TB's, has been a big help in the transition from cult thinking back to sanity, your brand of insanity helped a lot there. Thanks. My contribution has been to apply some basic scientific principles to obvious bullshit like yagyas and yogic flying You either know how to think in an open minded critical manner or you don't. You don't Tricky, not by a long shot. You are a believer - nothing wrong with that, I don't slag people off for their beliefs - you got taught something when you were young and don't you want to start disbelieving after all these years. Too much intellectual leg work involved I guess. The longer you've been involved, the harder it is to leave, so when any contrary evidence comes along it's much easier to put your hands over your ears and go laa laa laa. I wonder if you ever even realised there was an alternative? So you spend your day posting one line missives that even you don't understand - your hit rate with the non sequitur gag was less than 5% - and links to irrelevant books and articles. Just suppose one of your lurkers does what I always do and followed the link? Duh, you should really have thought about that little scenario but I don't think it would matter if you had. You are a True Believer and the idea of challenging your own beliefs is anathema, we see it everywhere, the TMO loves science but only if it supports them. If there's a chance it won't they don't bother. You fall into a typical religious role of only looking as far into it as to have your beliefs confirmed. Which isn't really taking part. So when you encounter a contrary POV you throw your toys out of the pram and spam it with your usual bullshit. So, thank you for explaining your reasons - I suppose we should be happy there is one. You say you don't care but you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Like. On 9/4/2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Desperado (The Eagles)* Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, there's not much point in paying attention to Turq's well-established routine. At MIU in the early to mid-1980s, we had some truly remarkable students. Very, very smart people; it was a pleasure to have them in the classroom. I still remember some of the discussions we had in class. Absolutely brilliant. Some very smart faculty too. The place was alive. It was indeed. It was a time and a place that supported what was going on. I have no idea what it's like now but if it's half of what it was in the 70's and early 80's then it is still something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
That Elaine sure could dance! Do you watch Modern Family? They are my new Seinfeld. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : And the cult of Seinfeld brings it right back to TM... Desperado/Witchy Woman - Seinfeld http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag Desperado/Witchy Woman - Seinfeld http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag ©1995 - Castle Rock Entertainment, Sony Pictures Entertainment View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/_ZrCLF-sZag Preview by Yahoo I swear, hardly a day goes by that something doesn't bring up a Seinfeld reference. And, yes, we do own the complete series DVD boxed set. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] For Salya, was For Ann, was For Rick
On 9/4/2014 4:57 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Ah, it reminds me of my school days. Sweet memories... Non sequitur. It has not been established that you attended school. Maybe it's time to show some credentials. P.S. You realize that you just brought my post to Ann to the top of the Yahoo Groups page, so it gets more readers interested in what I'm saying, right? Richard J. Williams wrote: Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I started to read and lurk there for a few weeks. I was very impressed with some of the topics discussed and the responses. Then I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental (now Google Groups) and so I decided to join. What a disappointment! It was like a bar room brawl - Judy was there and Barry and Lon P. Stacks (RIP) and they were thrashing it out with that Asshole Nick (Andrew Skolnick) the science journalist. Judy did her best to defend her position but for appearances the whole group was just an exercise in futility - it was, and still is, a cess-pool of misinformation. So, I decided to post some of my own messages, not so much to prove anything, but just to improve the look and feel. Anyone surfing there would have thought TMers were all buffoons and gimcracks, for all appearances. So, I started writing up some nifty essays with fancy subject lines, not so much to get attention but to make the place look like a forum with useful and insightful analysis. So, for years I posted my essays to AMT to try and make the forum look good. I must have posted 8,000 essay from 1999 - 2003. I didn't get a response from Judy for close to fours years to any of my cogent postings. And, only two from Barry. Maybe they were JELLOS - I don't know. Then, they started spewing and posting political propaganda, in what I thought was an attempt to make the site look like a pile of crap and they tried to make the place look like a dung heap. One day I disputed Judy's claim that George W. Bush was a liar and so I posted a retort. That's about when it hit the fan! Ever since then she has hated my guts - nothing to do with TM or the mechanics of consciousness - just hateful slander and personal attacks, all directed at me. So, I either had to shut up or leave. But look, I've got an ego about as big as Mt. Rushmore so I don't back down without a fight - never have and never will. I am a military brat from Texas and I know everything about everything and I'm living at the center of the universe. So, at some point several of us left the Google Groups and came over to Yahoo Groups. Now it looks like this place going to shit too - there's no moderation, nobody gives a crap, and nobody will stand up for the Maharishi. They aren't even proud of their past. All they want to do is post fluff and drivel - you can read it here every day. It's sometime just pathetic what some people will post to the internet. So, now I've got a 26 inch screen, a screaming quad-core CPU and I can key in test at 100 wpm - that's what I do for a living -make money. It's easy for me to whip out a short post and hit Send. The real challenge is to write cogent, on-topic essays that anyone would want to read. But, let's face it - there's hardly anybody out there interested in TM, TMers or anything to do with discussing the mechanics of consciousness. All some people want to do is wreck the place and sound off. That's cool too. I don't take any of this seriously anymore - I'm here for the entertainment. I've already written a book while they were posting one-liners that end on one line and all begin with RE: But, it's true that I sometimes get caught up in the conversation. Some people really do feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not personal. It's just like a video game. Some people like World of Warcraft. To each his own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CONGRATULATIONS
Haha, probably a nice article - in Dutch. And if desloopt means to tear down it surely is good news meaning we can build more proper Vastu at this very nice and secluded property. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mikemail4you@... wrote : Van rechtbank Roermond mag klooster Maharishi worden gesloopt http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regio/artikel/3680579/van-rechtbank-roermond-mag-klooster-maharishi-gesloopt-.aspx http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regio/artikel/3680579/van-rechtbank-roermond-mag-klooster-maharishi-gesloopt-.aspx Van rechtbank Roermond mag klooster Maharishi worden... http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regio/artikel/3680579/van-rechtbank-roermond-mag-klooster-maharishi-gesloopt-.aspx Het voormalige Franciscanerklooster van de aanhangers van de Maharishi in Vlodrop mag worden gesloopt. De rechter in Roermond heeft dat bepaald in de recht View on www.dichtbij.nl http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regio/artikel/3680579/van-rechtbank-roermond-mag-klooster-maharishi-gesloopt-.aspx Preview by Yahoo http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regio/artikel/3680579/van-rechtbank-roermond-mag-klooster-maharishi-gesloopt-.aspx http://www.dichtbij.nl/roermond/regio/artikel/3680579/van-rechtbank-roermond-mag-klooster-maharishi-gesloopt-.aspx
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, there's not much point in paying attention to Turq's well-established routine. At MIU in the early to mid-1980s, we had some truly remarkable students. Very, very smart people; it was a pleasure to have them in the classroom. I still remember some of the discussions we had in class. Absolutely brilliant. Some very smart faculty too. The place was alive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Thanks for being a little sad for me, Turq. I'm honored to have a place in your emotions, if only a small one. I said I was pleased to have been associated with it. I didn't say that my views hadn't changed since those long-off days. But it was all very valuable at the time. It was part of a long journey, and I always honor the inns in which I have stayed for a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. I'm happy for you. But at the same time I'm a little sad that all these years on you've developed so little discrimination that you're happy to remain a cultist. Most of my friends from the TM days figured out what Maharishi was about and how he had suckered all of us into his cult back in the mid-70s, before this video was even made. We can *understand* believing this kind of idiotic cult stuff, because we were there and we believed it, too. We were idiots. What we *can't* understand is how someone could possibly *still* believe it, all these decades later, and choose to *remain* idiots. That's somewhat scary. There is simply no way we can identify with anyone that weak-willed and weak-minded. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Yep, this one popped into my mind, instantly, after reading his post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late Well damn if you didn't just pull one out of thin air. Three stars for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Pentagon at war with 124 nations
Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk? The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2005/pinter-lecture-e.html, is a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis, as if the truth never happened even while it was happening. In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russi... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger John Pilger: Washington's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime's neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] For Michael Jackson, was For Ann, was For Rick
On 9/4/2014 6:04 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sal, I guess Share will have to take you to task cuz you just NUKED this Marshy sycophant! Non sequitur. It has not been established that Share NUKED anything or any Marshy sycophant. In fact, she said she liked my message - a lot. It's yours and Barry's violent tendencies she doesn't like. Where are you going with that gun in your hand? Well done, and well said. How's that DELETE key working for you? Thanks for bringing my post to everyone's attention. Richard J. Williams wrote: Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I started to read and lurk there for a few weeks. I was very impressed with some of the topics discussed and the responses. Then I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental (now Google Groups) and so I decided to join. What a disappointment! It was like a bar room brawl - Judy was there and Barry and Lon P. Stacks (RIP) and they were thrashing it out with that Asshole Nick (Andrew Skolnick) the science journalist. Judy did her best to defend her position but for appearances the whole group was just an exercise in futility - it was, and still is, a cess-pool of misinformation. So, I decided to post some of my own messages, not so much to prove anything, but just to improve the look and feel. Anyone surfing there would have thought TMers were all buffoons and gimcracks, for all appearances. So, I started writing up some nifty essays with fancy subject lines, not so much to get attention but to make the place look like a forum with useful and insightful analysis. So, for years I posted my essays to AMT to try and make the forum look good. I must have posted 8,000 essay from 1999 - 2003. I didn't get a response from Judy for close to fours years to any of my cogent postings. And, only two from Barry. Maybe they were JELLOS - I don't know. Then, they started spewing and posting political propaganda, in what I thought was an attempt to make the site look like a pile of crap and they tried to make the place look like a dung heap. One day I disputed Judy's claim that George W. Bush was a liar and so I posted a retort. That's about when it hit the fan! Ever since then she has hated my guts - nothing to do with TM or the mechanics of consciousness - just hateful slander and personal attacks, all directed at me. So, I either had to shut up or leave. But look, I've got an ego about as big as Mt. Rushmore so I don't back down without a fight - never have and never will. I am a military brat from Texas and I know everything about everything and I'm living at the center of the universe. So, at some point several of us left the Google Groups and came over to Yahoo Groups. Now it looks like this place going to shit too - there's no moderation, nobody gives a crap, and nobody will stand up for the Maharishi. They aren't even proud of their past. All they want to do is post fluff and drivel - you can read it here every day. It's sometime just pathetic what some people will post to the internet. So, now I've got a 26 inch screen, a screaming quad-core CPU and I can key in test at 100 wpm - that's what I do for a living -make money. It's easy for me to whip out a short post and hit Send. The real challenge is to write cogent, on-topic essays that anyone would want to read. But, let's face it - there's hardly anybody out there interested in TM, TMers or anything to do with discussing the mechanics of consciousness. All some people want to do is wreck the place and sound off. That's cool too. I don't take any of this seriously anymore - I'm here for the entertainment. I've already written a book while they were posting one-liners that end on one line and all begin with RE: But, it's true that I sometimes get caught up in the conversation. Some people really do feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not personal. It's just like a video game. Some people like World of Warcraft. To each his own. It keeps me at home and out of trouble. I'm on Facebook too. So, I don't have a real formulated viewpoint or a goal - /I believe in life; what it
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. If the TV show or movie is edgy, groovy, or casts him in a favorable light, he lets us all know. If not, scarf thrown on, laptop in tow, he heads out, retraces his steps to the cafe, doing his best to appear unattached, while he, once again, sits at the same table, stares out the same window, orders a beer or three, opens his laptop, and escapes, once more, into a virtual world, where he, and he alone is master. ahhh... Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Ann, I see Teddy Burghoff around town and if Claudia is the dance professor, she's here too. Big weekend coming up: Art Walk and annual gem and mineral show. Time for a new geode! On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:00 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. Iwas there from 1975-1981 and it was not only a good place to be but THE place to be. Great memories, good times, deep friendships. If anyone thinks we were a bunch of bliss ninnies then you weren't in the art department - we had some of the wildest, craziest individuals in the history of MIU in that major. Teddy Burghoff, Chester Overlock, Jody Porter, Claudia Chadwick and many others who kept that school hoppin' and on its creative toes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
someone just needs a hug.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, perfect choice! Just the fact that he had to dig back 33 years shows how desperate he is. imo. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] For Alex, was For Ann, was For Rick
On 9/4/2014 6:04 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Played fine on my ipad in Mercury browser, which is not logged into FB. Thanks for not snipping, so everyone can read my post again, Alex. Apparently some of the informants don't realize they are supposed read the messages here BEFORE they post their own comments. Do you have any comments to make? Sometimes informants get tired of reading fluff and drivel. Go figure. Richard J. Williams wrote: Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I started to read and lurk there for a few weeks. I was very impressed with some of the topics discussed and the responses. Then I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental (now Google Groups) and so I decided to join. What a disappointment! It was like a bar room brawl - Judy was there and Barry and Lon P. Stacks (RIP) and they were thrashing it out with that Asshole Nick (Andrew Skolnick) the science journalist. Judy did her best to defend her position but for appearances the whole group was just an exercise in futility - it was, and still is, a cess-pool of misinformation. So, I decided to post some of my own messages, not so much to prove anything, but just to improve the look and feel. Anyone surfing there would have thought TMers were all buffoons and gimcracks, for all appearances. So, I started writing up some nifty essays with fancy subject lines, not so much to get attention but to make the place look like a forum with useful and insightful analysis. So, for years I posted my essays to AMT to try and make the forum look good. I must have posted 8,000 essay from 1999 - 2003. I didn't get a response from Judy for close to fours years to any of my cogent postings. And, only two from Barry. Maybe they were JELLOS - I don't know. Then, they started spewing and posting political propaganda, in what I thought was an attempt to make the site look like a pile of crap and they tried to make the place look like a dung heap. One day I disputed Judy's claim that George W. Bush was a liar and so I posted a retort. That's about when it hit the fan! Ever since then she has hated my guts - nothing to do with TM or the mechanics of consciousness - just hateful slander and personal attacks, all directed at me. So, I either had to shut up or leave. But look, I've got an ego about as big as Mt. Rushmore so I don't back down without a fight - never have and never will. I am a military brat from Texas and I know everything about everything and I'm living at the center of the universe. So, at some point several of us left the Google Groups and came over to Yahoo Groups. Now it looks like this place going to shit too - there's no moderation, nobody gives a crap, and nobody will stand up for the Maharishi. They aren't even proud of their past. All they want to do is post fluff and drivel - you can read it here every day. It's sometime just pathetic what some people will post to the internet. So, now I've got a 26 inch screen, a screaming quad-core CPU and I can key in test at 100 wpm - that's what I do for a living -make money. It's easy for me to whip out a short post and hit Send. The real challenge is to write cogent, on-topic essays that anyone would want to read. But, let's face it - there's hardly anybody out there interested in TM, TMers or anything to do with discussing the mechanics of consciousness. All some people want to do is wreck the place and sound off. That's cool too. I don't take any of this seriously anymore - I'm here for the entertainment. I've already written a book while they were posting one-liners that end on one line and all begin with RE: But, it's true that I sometimes get caught up in the conversation. Some people really do feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not personal. It's just
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Barry will be found, ten years from now, slightly drooling, a dazed look on his face, constantly mumbling something. When a concerned person bends close, to hear his words, they are startled to hear him, droning incessantly, in a low voice, ...don't...fuck...with...yogis... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ain't it just like you, to continually check in to make sure its still a cult, in your mind. Spending your time like another informant was wont to do, by perusing the internet to see what tidbits you can come up with. A score, a score!! Hey everybody, look what I found from 1981!. See, it's a cult. Just what I've been saying on a daily basis for 20 years. A cult I tell ya! Thank god, I'm way past this TM thing. Not like you losers What's in store for this afternoon? Really, you can't make this stuff up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WTF - For Rick
Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:47 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. On 9/3/2014 10:58 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nah, just boot him. Like you say it's obvious he's being malicious. Most other group moderators would have booted him long ago. He has the disposition of an ex-con. Maybe he is one. If we had a moderator, he would boot you for calling me an ex-con, without any evidence and for no apparent reason. Or, would have booted you when you first inferred that I was a perv viewing child porno on the internet. Or Edg, when he called me a pedophile priest. Now that's being malicious! Apparently Rick doesn't even read any of these messages, unlike you and the other Barry obviously do. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] For Share, was Desperado, was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
On 9/4/2014 6:16 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fleetwood, perfect choice! Just the fact that he had to dig back 33 years shows how desperate he is. imo. Nice. But Barry probably won't see your post, if his filters are working. According to Barry, he doesn't read your messages - which is funny, because the link he sent has your name in it. Maybe Barry doesn't know ho to edit a hyper text link although he calims to be a computer professional. According to Judy, Barry is a liar. Maybe she was correct in her assessment. Barry probably won't see Jim's postings about the Eagle song either - Barry claims to not read any of Jim's messages. But, Barry is kind of like a moth attracted to a flame - he just can't seem to resist reading about what us TMers are up to everyday, and going back 34 years. He probably reads every single post on FFL and then dreams about how to reply. It's a cry for help, obviously. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, even if they are TMers. Go figure. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: *Desperado (The Eagles)* Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Fleetwood, I guess the virtual hug from Dr. Pete didn't fill the bill! On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:25 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: someone just needs a hug.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, perfect choice! Just the fact that he had to dig back 33 years shows how desperate he is. imo. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] King Tony Don't Wanna Lose Da Money
There is no joy in Mudville: http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb Cult News101 cults and related topics.: Maharishi Vedic University Ltd. v. Maharishi Foundation Limi... 1. Maharishi Foundation Limited, name of Applicant, denotes an association with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (#Maharishi#), who, over the course of more than 50 years, established numerous global and national organizations relating to manifold aspects of life, including techniques of per... View on www.cultnews101.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
On 9/4/2014 6:43 AM, feste37 wrote: No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. Like. For the record, Barry was not there - he got kicked out of the TMO back in 1976. Now Barry is on Facebook social media. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desperado was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
No, I guess not. frowny face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I guess the virtual hug from Dr. Pete didn't fill the bill! On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:25 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: someone just needs a hug.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, perfect choice! Just the fact that he had to dig back 33 years shows how desperate he is. imo. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
On 9/4/2014 6:48 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ain't it just like you, to continually check in to make sure its still a cult, in your mind. Spending your time like another informant was wont to do, by perusing the internet to see what tidbits you can come up with. A score, a score!! Hey everybody, look what I found from 1981!. See, it's a cult. Just what I've been saying on a daily basis for 20 years. A cult I tell ya! Thank god, I'm way past this TM thing. Not like you losers What's in store for this afternoon? Really, you can't make this stuff up. You have to realize, Steve, that Barry is way ahead of us over here. When you are just getting up to meditate, he has already been up scouring the web for what, eight hours, and eating lunch. Barry claims to not read our messages and he spent hours setting up his filters in Yahoo Mail, but he just can't seem to resist /sending us mail/. It looks like a clear case of /cognitive dissonance./ Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Share, was Desperado, was Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Richard, turq says he doesn't read our posts. But then he says we can't do math and we talk as we did decades ago. How does he know this if he doesn't read our posts?! On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:34 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/4/2014 6:16 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fleetwood, perfect choice! Just the fact that he had to dig back 33 years shows how desperate he is. imo. Nice. But Barry probably won't see your post, if his filters are working. According to Barry, he doesn't read your messages - which is funny, because the link he sent has your name in it. Maybe Barry doesn't know ho to edit a hyper text link although he calims to be a computer professional. According to Judy, Barry is a liar. Maybe she was correct in her assessment. Barry probably won't see Jim's postings about the Eagle song either - Barry claims to not read any of Jim's messages. But, Barry is kind of like a moth attracted to a flame - he just can't seem to resist reading about what us TMers are up to everyday, and going back 34 years. He probably reads every single post on FFL and then dreams about how to reply. It's a cry for help, obviously. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, even if they are TMers. Go figure. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:55 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Desperado (The Eagles) Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walking through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the night time from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you, before it's too late ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Don't Wanna Lose Da Money
That is some boooring shit, dude. Perhaps next you could post a link to a site about Fun With Boolean Algorithms, or The History Of Socks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There is no joy in Mudville: http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb Cult News101 cults and related topics.: Maharishi Vedic University Ltd. v. Maharishi Foundation Limi... http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb 1. Maharishi Foundation Limited, name of Applicant, denotes an association with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (#Maharishi#), who, over the course of more than 50 years, established numerous global and national organizations relating to manifold aspects of life, including techniques of per... View on www.cultnews101.com http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Pundit Killed
MISSING PANDIT BRUTALLY KILLED By Hi India Team CHICAGO (IL) — Nobody knows. Nobody cares. Well, Hi India was right when it published an article on the sorry plight of Vedic Pandits in its January 24, 2014 edition. Ajit Panday, aged around 23 years, has been shot dead by an unknown suspect at Big Brother 2 Food Mart on 878 Norwood Road, Southeast Atlanta, Georgia. Ajit was gunned down late in the night on August 24 as he approached the main gate to close for the day around 10 p.m.. He was found dead, with multiple gunshots, near the front door by the owner of the store – Poltu Roy. Though Poltu Roy said store closed at 10 pm, the video recording of murder shows the time as 11.28 pm. Ajit, a native of India, was brought to the US by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi University at Fairfield , Iowa, more than two years ago. Ajit had left O’Hare airport in March to flee and wander into the strange world to find his living. Full Story here: http://hiindialive.com/missing-pandit-brutally-killed/ MISSING PANDIT BRUTALLY KILLED Share This Tags By Hi India Team CHICAGO (IL) — Nobody knows. Nobody cares. Well, Hi India was right when it published an article on the sorry plight of Vedic P... View on hiindialive.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Richard, was For Ann, was For Rick
On 9/4/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you like the Mercury browser? How do you like re-posting my message three times so everyone can read it again? Thanks. Richard J. Williams wrote: Years ago, when the internet was just getting started (1994) I was surfing around and ran across Usenet - discussion groups. At first I subscribed to a site that discussed ISKCON, because I had been a participant in one of their temples for about a year (3716 Watseka Ave in L.A.) and I was taken with their devotion and depth of knowledge. Some members had started a news group discussion on the internet and I started to read and lurk there for a few weeks. I was very impressed with some of the topics discussed and the responses. Then I discovered alt.meditation.transcendental (now Google Groups) and so I decided to join. What a disappointment! It was like a bar room brawl - Judy was there and Barry and Lon P. Stacks (RIP) and they were thrashing it out with that Asshole Nick (Andrew Skolnick) the science journalist. Judy did her best to defend her position but for appearances the whole group was just an exercise in futility - it was, and still is, a cess-pool of misinformation. So, I decided to post some of my own messages, not so much to prove anything, but just to improve the look and feel. Anyone surfing there would have thought TMers were all buffoons and gimcracks, for all appearances. So, I started writing up some nifty essays with fancy subject lines, not so much to get attention but to make the place look like a forum with useful and insightful analysis. So, for years I posted my essays to AMT to try and make the forum look good. I must have posted 8,000 essay from 1999 - 2003. I didn't get a response from Judy for close to fours years to any of my cogent postings. And, only two from Barry. Maybe they were JELLOS - I don't know. Then, they started spewing and posting political propaganda, in what I thought was an attempt to make the site look like a pile of crap and they tried to make the place look like a dung heap. One day I disputed Judy's claim that George W. Bush was a liar and so I posted a retort. That's about when it hit the fan! Ever since then she has hated my guts - nothing to do with TM or the mechanics of consciousness - just hateful slander and personal attacks, all directed at me. So, I either had to shut up or leave. But look, I've got an ego about as big as Mt. Rushmore so I don't back down without a fight - never have and never will. I am a military brat from Texas and I know everything about everything and I'm living at the center of the universe. So, at some point several of us left the Google Groups and came over to Yahoo Groups. Now it looks like this place going to shit too - there's no moderation, nobody gives a crap, and nobody will stand up for the Maharishi. They aren't even proud of their past. All they want to do is post fluff and drivel - you can read it here every day. It's sometime just pathetic what some people will post to the internet. So, now I've got a 26 inch screen, a screaming quad-core CPU and I can key in test at 100 wpm - that's what I do for a living -make money. It's easy for me to whip out a short post and hit Send. The real challenge is to write cogent, on-topic essays that anyone would want to read. But, let's face it - there's hardly anybody out there interested in TM, TMers or anything to do with discussing the mechanics of consciousness. All some people want to do is wreck the place and sound off. That's cool too. I don't take any of this seriously anymore - I'm here for the entertainment. I've already written a book while they were posting one-liners that end on one line and all begin with RE: But, it's true that I sometimes get caught up in the conversation. Some people really do feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not personal. It's just like a video game. Some people like World of Warcraft. To each his own. It keeps me at home and out of trouble. I'm on Facebook too. So, I don't have a real formulated viewpoint or a goal - /I believe in life; what it does to you and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Don't Wanna Lose Da Money
This shows what a head in the sander you are. Here we have an organization that claims to be able to alter the trends of time, create world peace and transform human lives and they are suing one another? But I know its more comfortable for you to ignore that man behind the curtain. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Don't Wanna Lose Da Money That is some boooring shit, dude. Perhaps next you could post a link to a site about Fun With Boolean Algorithms, or The History Of Socks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There is no joy in Mudville: http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb Cult News101 cults and related topics.: Maharishi Vedic University Ltd. v. Maharishi Foundation Limi... 1. Maharishi Foundation Limited, name of Applicant, denotes an association with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (#Maharishi#), who, over the course of more than 50 years, established numerous global and national organizations relating to manifold aspects of life, including techniques of per... View on www.cultnews101.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
On 9/4/2014 6:58 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. It's beginning to look like Barry Wright will NEVER get over his investment. What's even more remarkable is that he refuses to see a cult-exit counselor for his obsession, which seems to have /shocked him to his core/. Maybe meeting the Maharishi all those years ago was the single most important event in his life - /until//he discovered Google Groups, Yahoo Groups and Facebook./ One thing is for sure: BARRY WRIGHT WILL NEVER GIVE ANOTHER TM INTRODUCTORY LECTURE, /because he sucked at it and so he got kicked out of the TMO./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
California is doomed... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com wrote : Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit Killed
Oh come ON, Michael, really? 14. Why no action or at least a courtesy visit was made to the fenced enclosure of Vedic Pandits at Fairfield, Iowa after the Vedic Pandits revolted against the atrocities of the management and was quelled with brutality by local the police and the Sheriff? You take THIS trash article seriously? The guy left the airport in search of US employment and ended up being abused by local Indian-Americans. The guy ran away from the AIRPORT, not the pandit facility. Is there any way to put a guy on ignore when you read yahoo.com stuff directly? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : MISSING PANDIT BRUTALLY KILLED By Hi India Team CHICAGO (IL) — Nobody knows. Nobody cares. Well, Hi India was right when it published an article on the sorry plight of Vedic Pandits in its January 24, 2014 edition. Ajit Panday, aged around 23 years, has been shot dead by an unknown suspect at Big Brother 2 Food Mart on 878 Norwood Road, Southeast Atlanta, Georgia. Ajit was gunned down late in the night on August 24 as he approached the main gate to close for the day around 10 p.m.. He was found dead, with multiple gunshots, near the front door by the owner of the store – Poltu Roy. Though Poltu Roy said store closed at 10 pm, the video recording of murder shows the time as 11.28 pm. Ajit, a native of India, was brought to the US by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi University at Fairfield , Iowa, more than two years ago. Ajit had left O’Hare airport in March to flee and wander into the strange world to find his living. Full Story here: http://hiindialive.com/missing-pandit-brutally-killed/ http://hiindialive.com/missing-pandit-brutally-killed/ http://hiindialive.com/missing-pandit-brutally-killed/ MISSING PANDIT BRUTALLY KILLED http://hiindialive.com/missing-pandit-brutally-killed/ Share This Tags By Hi India Team CHICAGO (IL) — Nobody knows. Nobody cares. Well, Hi India was right when it published an article on the sorry plight of Vedic P... View on hiindialive.com http://hiindialive.com/missing-pandit-brutally-killed/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony Don't Wanna Lose Da Money
Rolls eyes, again What money? The Maharishi Foundation, USA books are open via IRS Form 990. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There is no joy in Mudville: http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb Cult News101 cults and related topics.: Maharishi Vedic University Ltd. v. Maharishi Foundation Limi... http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb 1. Maharishi Foundation Limited, name of Applicant, denotes an association with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (#Maharishi#), who, over the course of more than 50 years, established numerous global and national organizations relating to manifold aspects of life, including techniques of per... View on www.cultnews101.com http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/3/2014 10:59 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually Richard, you are not in my top four of odious posters here so I can live with you no matter how many times you feel it necessary to post here. I don't get why you do it nor do I have the time or inclination to avalanche this place like you do, but so be it... That's a relief. Seriously, you have been so nice to me since Judy disappeared that I feel that I owe you an explanation. First, a confession. My posts really are for the lurkers. My personal goal in this is to post something, anything, that makes the forum look good to outsiders if they should wander in here for whatever reason. On 9/4/2014 1:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well Tricky, let me tell you something. You failed. Dismally. Your posts read like they were written by an autistic savant who failed the Turing test. In fact, you are one of the people that seriously made me wonder whether I had backed a losing horse in the first place. Do you have an anti-social problem? Why is it so difficult for you to carry on a decent conversation? If I wanted to exchange fluff or drivel with you I would have put For Salyavin808 in the subject line. Look me straight in the eye and see if I give a shit what you materialists do with your spare time. Have a nice day. Non secateurs. It doesn't follow that you can have a nice day when fluff isn't a type of materialism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Fleetwood, thrilled to hear about the desalination plant in San Diego. I was gonna ask when that guy posted about the car running on salt water. About time! On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:12 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, there's not much point in paying attention to Turq's well-established routine. At MIU in the early to mid-1980s, we had some truly remarkable students. Very, very smart people; it was a pleasure to have them in the classroom. I still remember some of the discussions we had in class. Absolutely brilliant. Some very smart faculty too. The place was alive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What's remarkable is how much he has invested in this. I mean he's either telling us how, over it he is, or it's the subject matter of most everything he posts. I guess he then goes into the kitchen to make some popcorn and get a drink to watch a TV episode or a movie feeling confident about himself because he thinks he just pushed some buttons. Hey, a routine, is a routine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
I don't have a Facebook account (don't want nor need one, have my own websites), and it played find on my Android phone using the Chrome browser. It does really nail the Willy Wanker's hysterics. On 09/04/2014 12:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf image https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Preview by Yahoo **
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. Most things are embarrassing when you look back at yourself 25 or 35 years ago. I mean, just the hairstyles and fashion alone is enough to make anyone wince. Now couple that with our youth and our idealism and combine that with something we were involved in and it is usually cringe-worthy. But not because it was the wrong thing at the wrong time necessarily but because over time we tend to view our old selves as uninformed, naive and rather silly. Lighten up, bawee. It was a different time and a different place but it was part of who we were in our youth. I've left it behind for the most part and the parts I have brought forward still enrich me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
They use buzzphrases because they don't know what to say and so fall back on those. They're also on camera so feel they have to say something. I recall putting experiences into your own words sometimes got one weird looks back then. But then it's an abstract experience and difficult to put into words (because words tend to fall short). The higher ups were, of course, doing marketing. Note that Maharishi sorta improvises on the segment with him. Also striking was for how century of the self the responses were. It's all about the individual hence in step with me meme of the time. On 09/04/2014 05:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I see Teddy Burghoff around town and if Claudia is the dance professor, she's here too. Big weekend coming up: Art Walk and annual gem and mineral show. Time for a new geode! No, Claudia is not in town. Teddy and I are in touch, he seems to be the same old shit disturber as always - thank God. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:00 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. I was there from 1975-1981 and it was not only a good place to be but THE place to be. Great memories, good times, deep friendships. If anyone thinks we were a bunch of bliss ninnies then you weren't in the art department - we had some of the wildest, craziest individuals in the history of MIU in that major. Teddy Burghoff, Chester Overlock, Jody Porter, Claudia Chadwick and many others who kept that school hoppin' and on its creative toes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Philip K rolls over in his grave
Don't waste your time or money on Radio Free Albemuth. If curious just wait for it to show up on Netflix in a month or two and see if you last more than 10 minutes. Despite the cast it is pretty bad and amateurish. Neither Shea Whigham nor Scott Wilson (The Walking Dead) could save the thing. I should have paid more attention to the 22% Tomatoes rating.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ann, was For Rick
I'll also add that I found the video on YouTube by searching for 'Copoeira Knockout' Funny Capoeira Knockout - Video http://youtu.be/7157QMW9abM http://youtu.be/7157QMW9abM Funny Capoeira Knockout - Video http://youtu.be/7157QMW9abM Funny Capoeira Knockout - Video View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/7157QMW9abM Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : Played fine on my ipad in Mercury browser, which is not logged into FB. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote : I wish I could find a non-Facebook version of this video to post. With this one, you probably can't see it unless you have a FB account. Too bad, if that's true. It's a perfect re-enactment of the Willytex-Salyavin championship fight below. Willytex postures, but Sal delivers the goods. :-) :-) :-) Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Trung Nghĩa | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Capoeira ! View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817135784963858fref=nf Preview by Yahoo
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Not one mention of what other consequence the drilling may have: more earthquakes. When you take the water out of the ground there is space and something needs to fill so it collapses in. Kaboom! OTOH, as bad as science is at predicting weather we could just as likely have a run of monsoons beginning this fall. Or maybe our drought is the result of a weather war. On 09/04/2014 08:06 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: California is doomed... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com wrote : Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Philip K rolls over in his grave
I've had it for some time but have never been able to get past the first few minutes and watch it. It's been in production for a really, really, really long time (I first started hearing about it over five years ago), and that often means a movie that has been made but is so terrible they can't get anyone to actually release it. That's what this one sounds like to me. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Philip K rolls over in his grave Don't waste your time or money on Radio Free Albemuth. If curious just wait for it to show up on Netflix in a month or two and see if you last more than 10 minutes. Despite the cast it is pretty bad and amateurish. Neither Shea Whigham nor Scott Wilson (The Walking Dead) could save the thing. I should have paid more attention to the 22% Tomatoes rating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Groundwater disappear dueto lack of rain since aluminium has been sprayed above California since the 70's. Aluminum found in groundwater due to chemtrails have now reached dangerously high values and will in time cause a cancer epidemic, courtesy of the American government. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : California is doomed... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
I thought the Space Brothers were gonna come clean up all the pollution with their superior knowledge and technology? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 Groundwater disappear dueto lack of rain since aluminium has been sprayed above California since the 70's. Aluminum found in groundwater due to chemtrails have now reached dangerously high values and will in time cause a cancer epidemic, courtesy of the American government. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : California is doomed... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Philip K rolls over in his grave
It had the feel of a 1990s direct to video movie and was VERY FLAT. I just read the comments over on IMDB. The film was released (or shown at festivals in 2010. They couldn't find a buyer to pushed it to VOD this year. This is the director's first film (and probably his last). He actually gets in a spat with an IMDB member in the comments. At that it has a 6.2 rating on IMDB. Go figger. On 09/04/2014 08:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've had it for some time but have never been able to get past the first few minutes and watch it. It's been in production for a really, really, really long time (I first started hearing about it over five years ago), and that often means a movie that has been made but is so terrible they can't get anyone to actually release it. That's what this one sounds like to me. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:42 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Philip K rolls over in his grave Don't waste your time or money on Radio Free Albemuth. If curious just wait for it to show up on Netflix in a month or two and see if you last more than 10 minutes. Despite the cast it is pretty bad and amateurish. Neither Shea Whigham nor Scott Wilson (The Walking Dead) could save the thing. I should have paid more attention to the 22% Tomatoes rating.
[FairfieldLife] For Salya, was For Ann, was For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, I guess Share will have to take you to task cuz you just NUKED this Marshy sycophant! Well done, and well said. On 9/4/2014 6:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well, I don't mind what he's into. Just that he expects me to be into it or he'll throw a tantrum. Non sequitur. I have not thrown any tantrums. And, it has already been established that you are into Transcendental Meditation. If so, what is it exactly, that you are attempting to transcend? All we expect of you is to provide us with the rationale for your materialistic beliefs. Most of us here on FFL are transcendentalists which is why we are here - all the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists and have rejected the materialist point of view. My position, and the position of all transcendentalists, is that we *infer* that /consciousness is the ultimate reality/ and we accept that *inference* is a valid means of knowledge. Thoughts and ideas, not being material objects, cannot be perceived; they can only be *inferred*. Mere perception is often found to be untrue. We perceive the earth as being flat but it is almost round. We perceive the earth as static but it is moving around the sun. We perceive the disc of the sun and think it is small, yet it is much larger that the earth. We *infer* that consciousness is the ultimate reality and not caused by a combination of material properties. We *infer* the validity of consciousness because we ARE conscious and we are self-conscious. To refuse the validity of *inference* is to refuse to think or discuss. All thoughts, all discussions, all doctrines, all affirmations, and all denials, all proofs and disproofs are made possible by *inference.* If consciousness means /self-consciousness/ then it cannot be identified by logic with the human body. Animals also possess a physical body, but not /rational consciousness./ If consciousness is a property of the body, it must be perceived like other material properties. But consciousness is neither seen, smelt or tasted nor touched nor heard. Consciousness is private and cannot be shared by others - /it is the very constructed character of knowing./ The point is that naive materialist think they perceive material objects /as they are and as they seem/, yet knowledge tell us that this not always the case. We could be in error. An error is something that should not be. There may be no validity in using only perception to discover ultimate truths. A materialist accepts perception as the ultimate knowledge, but often our perception is just wrong. If perception is your /only means of valid knowledge/ and you reject *inference*, that is a thoughtless self-contradiction. We are all conscious that we exist - nobody doubts their own existence. That would be sheer madness or lunacy. The materialist cannot support his views without giving reasons which /presuppose/ the validity of *inference*. Severe and contemptuous criticism has been heaped against the materialistic doctrine by all schools of Indian philosophy and logic for thousands of years, and with much justification. Vedantists, Jainas and Buddhists all reject materialism; AND they also reject notions of God and an individual soul-monad, yet they realize that /consciousness is their very reason for being. / Your materialistic belief, as I understand it, is self-refuted and sheer nonsense and no system of philosophy or metaphysics at all, according to my philosophy professor. That is my position and I agree with Sam Harris. SNIP
[FairfieldLife] For Barry, was MIU Promo Video 1981
Just speaking for myself, I always found Dr. Pete to have one foot in the door and one foot outside, although I do like him. He couldn't seem to make up his mind about the nature of pure consciousness. He also failed to express himself very well at times. Sort of like Barry does most of the time. Pete didn't seem to be very knowledgeable about the various states of consciousness and the mechanics of consciousness. It was difficult to pin him down on anything and work out the contradictions. We had several conversations and he would almost always seem to fall back on the /ad hominems/. Judy called him on this on one occasion. Readers should realize that Dr. Pete is an educator, not an M.D., and he has no business prescribing medicine on a public forum, to anyone, especially when posting to social media, /before the class at school is even dismissed!/ On 9/4/2014 7:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. An ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
*From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. On 9/4/2014 8:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm happy for you. But at the same time I'm a little sad that all these years on you've developed so little discrimination that you're happy to remain a cultist. /An ad hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Most of my friends from the TM days figured out what Maharishi was about and how he had suckered all of us into his cult back in the mid-70s, before this video was even made. We can *understand* believing this kind of idiotic cult stuff, because we were there and we believed it, too. We were idiots. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong. What we *can't* understand is how someone could possibly *still* believe it, all these decades later, and choose to *remain* idiots. That's somewhat scary. There is simply no way we can identify with anyone that weak-willed and weak-minded. /Character assassination/ is a deliberate and sustained process that aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of a person, institution, social group, or nation. Agents of character assassinations employ a mix of open and covert methods to achieve their goals, such as /raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumors, and manipulating information./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two which was rather shocking. Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in 1981, and it was a good place to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of them here on this very forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3gfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Ukraine at War With Russia, was Pentagon at war with 124 nations
British dilemma over Russian president's actions in Ukraine likened to conduct of Neville Chamberlain in 1930s Munich... 'David Cameron warns of 'appeasing Putin as we did Hitler' http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/david-cameron-warns-appeasing-putin-ukraine-hitler On 9/4/2014 9:12 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk? The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2005/pinter-lecture-e.html, is a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis, as if the truth never happened even while it was happening. In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger image http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russi... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger John Pilger: Washington's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime's neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger Preview by Yahoo __._,
[FairfieldLife] For Rick and Alex, was WTF - For Rick
On 9/4/2014 9:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! The point, Share, is that, mere over-posting or flooding the forum on Yahoo Groups is NOT a crime, or terrorism, nor an excuse to infer someone is a pedophile or ex-con. In fact, false allegations of that nature are in themselves a crime on almost all social media, regardless of our forum leadership. In fact, false allegations of this nature could result in the moderator himself being charged with a crime for hosting a hate site and could result in getting the entire forum shut down by Yahoo. The best policy in this case would probably be a simple apology and a retraction from the party posting the false allegations. That would suffice for me I think, but it's difficult to get any justice around here now that Judy is no longer participating as a checks and balance force. Almost the entire group of respondents has been turned against me, for no apparent reason. Go figure. It is also very troubling to realize that a few informants, who shall not be named, are calling for outright censorship and a limit to our freedom of expression and our right of free speech, AFTER posting slanderous and defaming messages /with my real name in the header./ And, then the miscreants announce they are creating silly folders and filters so they don't have to read my rebuttals and protestations. That's the real issue - that the moderators are tone deaf and asleep at the wheel, apparently. Or, they just don't care, which is worse in my opinion. *Yahoo Groups Guidelines:* /Don't violate the law. Members of Yahoo! communities are not above the law, so don't post anything that violates the laws of your country, state, province, or city. // // //Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it./// https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. On 9/3/2014 10:58 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nah, just boot him. Like you say it's obvious he's being malicious. Most other group moderators would have booted him long ago. He has the disposition of an ex-con. Maybe he is one.
[FairfieldLife] Cult Scare Hoax, was King Tony Don't Wanna Lose Da Money
Cult Scare Hoax FAQ Advisory The Internet is constantly being flooded with spam about cults and so-called sects. However, interspersed among real information and reports are cult scare hoaxes. While these hoaxes do not affect intelligent readers, they are still time consuming and difficult to ignore. At FFL regular respondents find that they are spending much more time de-bunking misinformation about their cult, than investigating real movement incidents and activities, much to their dismay. What most people want when they come to this forum is factual information, not hearsay, insinuations of a personal nature, and/or ignorant assumptions about other TMers. This FAQ Advisory addresses the most recent warnings that have appeared on FFL and other newsgroups concerning brainwashing and cult conversion tactics and mind-control, which are topics being circulated throughout the internet today. Informants should address the history behind cult scare hoaxes, how to identify a cult scare hoax, and what to do if you think a message is or is not a cult scare hoax. Informants and flamers are requested to not spread unconfirmed scare rumors about cults and sects. Readers, if you receive an unwanted spam concerning accusations that your religion, sect, local church, temple, or synagogue or civic group is a dangerous cult, don't pass this rumor on to your friends, pass it to your computer wastebasket. Responding to scurrilous and titillating tales of miscreant nay-saying that attempts to mislead by pernicious slander simply tends to validate the prurient interests of the spammers themselves, and actually drives new members to seek out really dangerous groups that are actually based on this disinformation. Do not be mislead by impostors attempting to convince you that your spiritual path is a cult or dangerous group being led astray by forces of evil! Do not attempt to confirm or deny that your own personal path to spiritual liberation or knowledge is right or wrong. And, do not fall into joining OR condemning any so-called dangerous cult or sect. Invariably, these informants can be shown to be harboring a hidden agenda of their own, usually to convert you to their own schismatic splinter sect or religion. End of Advisory On 9/4/2014 9:33 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: There is no joy in Mudville: http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Oh, thought the title said MIU porno video. Never mind. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:40 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: feste37 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. On 9/4/2014 8:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm happy for you. But at the same time I'm a little sad that all these years on you've developed so little discrimination that you're happy to remain a cultist. An ad hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Most of my friends from the TM days figured out what Maharishi was about and how he had suckered all of us into his cult back in the mid-70s, before this video was even made. We can *understand* believing this kind of idiotic cult stuff, because we were there and we believed it, too. We were idiots. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong. What we *can't* understand is how someone could possibly *still* believe it, all these decades later, and choose to *remain* idiots. That's somewhat scary. There is simply no way we can identify with anyone that weak-willed and weak-minded. Character assassination is a deliberate and sustained process that aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of a person, institution, social group, or nation. Agents of character assassinations employ a mix of open and covert methods to achieve their goals, such as raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumors, and manipulating information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. I'm gonna stick with brainwashed and cultists. One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ukraine at War With Russia, was Pentagon at war with 124 nations
Maybe Obama is investing in Military industrial complex stocks while they are low. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:44 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: British dilemma over Russian president's actions in Ukraine likened to conduct of Neville Chamberlain in 1930s Munich... 'David Cameron warns of 'appeasing Putin as we did Hitler' http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/david-cameron-warns-appeasing-putin-ukraine-hitler On 9/4/2014 9:12 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk? The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter, is a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis, as if the truth never happened even while it was happening. In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russi... John Pilger: Washington's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime's neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick and Alex, was WTF - For Rick
Richard, I agree with you that you're at least due a retraction. I was attempting, albeit in an awkward way, to say that I don't automatically think less of a person because they've been in jail. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:16 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/4/2014 9:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! The point, Share, is that, mere over-posting or flooding the forum on Yahoo Groups is NOT a crime, or terrorism, nor an excuse to infer someone is a pedophile or ex-con. In fact, false allegations of that nature are in themselves a crime on almost all social media, regardless of our forum leadership. In fact, false allegations of this nature could result in the moderator himself being charged with a crime for hosting a hate site and could result in getting the entire forum shut down by Yahoo. The best policy in this case would probably be a simple apology and a retraction from the party posting the false allegations. That would suffice for me I think, but it's difficult to get any justice around here now that Judy is no longer participating as a checks and balance force. Almost the entire group of respondents has been turned against me, for no apparent reason. Go figure. It is also very troubling to realize that a few informants, who shall not be named, are calling for outright censorship and a limit to our freedom of expression and our right of free speech, AFTER posting slanderous and defaming messages with my real name in the header. And, then the miscreants announce they are creating silly folders and filters so they don't have to read my rebuttals and protestations. That's the real issue - that the moderators are tone deaf and asleep at the wheel, apparently. Or, they just don't care, which is worse in my opinion. Yahoo Groups Guidelines: Don't violate the law. Members of Yahoo! communities are not above the law, so don't post anything that violates the laws of your country, state, province, or city. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it. https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. On 9/3/2014 10:58 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nah, just boot him. Like you say it's obvious he's being malicious. Most other group moderators would have booted him long ago. He has the disposition of an ex-con. Maybe he is one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya, was For Ann, was For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, I guess Share will have to take you to task cuz you just NUKED this Marshy sycophant! Well done, and well said. On 9/4/2014 6:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Well, I don't mind what he's into. Just that he expects me to be into it or he'll throw a tantrum. Non sequitur. I have not thrown any tantrums. And, it has already been established that you are into Transcendental Meditation. If so, what is it exactly, that you are attempting to transcend? All we expect of you is to provide us with the rationale for your materialistic beliefs. Most of us here on FFL are transcendentalists which is why we are here - all the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists and have rejected the materialist point of view. My position, and the position of all transcendentalists, is that we infer that consciousness is the ultimate reality and we accept that inference is a valid means of knowledge. Thoughts and ideas, not being material objects, cannot be perceived; they can only be inferred. Inference may be a valid way of gaining knowledge but only if the information you have is adequate to provide a detailed enough model of what it is you are claiming the inference explains. But I dispute that you can gain enough knowledge about either the world or how consciousness works - let alone that there is some primary fundamental connection between the two - simply by sitting in meditation to make any such existential claims. Let's not forget that I've been there as far as experiences go. I saw wondrous things but did the mystical explanation add up? I've often mentioned it was my prior knowledge of physics that stopped me becoming a true believer, the tape they show on the second day of checking makes the claim but doesn't explain it. Nobody ever explains it. Because it isn't an accepted part of physics. It's a possibility sure, but why bother with it when it doesn't add anything to our explanation and in fact, makes it more complex when it should - at that level - be becoming simpler. that's the state of play. I've typed that a million times now Willy, if you spent less time sulking and spamming you might have tried to explain your POV. You can assume that your inner experience relates in some explanatory way to the outside world but that is the mistake, I think, that transcendentalists make. We simply don't know enough about consciousness to be able to say how it works yet but we know a lot about physics, I can't remember the last time I read the mystic viewpoint in a serious physics book. Actually I can't remember the first time. We know our brains form a 3-D model in our heads, we can measure thoughts happening, even see what they are! We know there is a threshold of activity needed for consciousness and we know how to switch it off. All the evidence seems to be heading towards the fact that consciousness is somehow a process of the brain. Sam Harris can think what he likes but I can't fit together the two strands of knowledge we have here. One is tested and open to refinement, the other is an assumption based on the idea that inner experience is the ultimate model of the universe? Mere perception is often found to be untrue. We perceive the earth as being flat but it is almost round. We perceive the earth as static but it is moving around the sun. We perceive the disc of the sun and think it is small, yet it is much larger that the earth. That's odd, I was just about to use the same analogy to demonstrate the mistake of relying on inference when you don't have enough information for an informed opinion. You can't gain enough information by just standing on this planet to work out what shape it is. Which is why people used to think that it was flat. You can deduce what shape it is with experiments though. Even measure it accurately with a couple of poles if you're smart enough. But sit there and infer? No. We infer that consciousness is the ultimate reality and not caused by a combination of material properties. We infer the validity of consciousness because we ARE conscious and we are self-conscious. To refuse the validity of inference is to refuse to think or discuss. All thoughts, all discussions, all doctrines, all affirmations, and all denials, all proofs and disproofs are made possible by inference. If consciousness means self-consciousness then it cannot be identified by logic with the human body. Animals also possess a physical body, but not rational consciousness. If consciousness is a property of the body, it must be perceived like other material properties. But consciousness is neither seen, smelt or tasted nor touched nor heard. Consciousness is private and cannot be shared by others - it is the very
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Well, you know, travelling in Outer Space for so long leaves you a bit spaced. So as a technologically advanced civilisation, by the time you get to the hick planet called Earth, the best you can think of with all that superior intelligence, knowledge, and technology, is to flatten some plant stalks in wheat fields. If you want to get the attention of the Earthlings you have to do what was done in a number of motion pictures or stories on the subject: show up, like in The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951), or attack, as in The War of the Worlds (H.G. Wells, 1897), which would get everyone's attention pretty quickly. Fuzzy lights in the sky taken with shaky cameras, and low-tech crop circles just can't cut it these days, except with the meme-infected, low-IQ crowd. By the way, aluminium, atomic number 13 is one of the most abundant of the lighter elements forged in the interior of (usually) exploding stars, and is a very common element in the Earth's crust, about 8%, which is a lot; it is the most abundant metal in the ground around us, so finding this element in the soil, in water, in dust in the air is extremely likely. It is not necessary to propose deliberate dumping of the metal into the atmosphere, we can hardly compete with nature on this except with the use of deodorants, which use aluminium-chlorine compounds. ATSDR - ToxFAQs™: Aluminum ATSDR - ToxFAQs™: Aluminum Everyone is exposed to low levels of aluminum from food, air, and water. Exposure to high levels of aluminum may result in respiratory problems. Alumin... View on www.atsdr.cdc.gov Preview by Yahoo From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 I thought the Space Brothers were gonna come clean up all the pollution with their superior knowledge and technology? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 Groundwater disappear dueto lack of rain since aluminium has been sprayed above California since the 70's. Aluminum found in groundwater due to chemtrails have now reached dangerously high values and will in time cause a cancer epidemic, courtesy of the American government. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : California is doomed... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ ,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
Dunno what it was like in 1981, but I went to MIU in '85 under a lot of illusions that had been fostered by a siddha I knew in SC that had graduated from MIU a few years before. He talked like it was an ashram that was also a modern university, spoke glowingly of the forest academies and led me to believe that everyone was on the program, no drugs, no fooling around, everyone was wholeheartedly a TM'er. What I saw and experienced was very different. People were running around jumping into bed with each other at the drop of a hat. MSAE students were smoking pot as were some of the MIU staff and students. The Palestinian kids whose wealthy fathers had sent them to MIU from Sweden or Switzerland were out of control partying and chasing women - some of them had off campus apartments (which was against the rules for undergrads). I had a mighty education on the real MIU mighty quick. When George brought his wife to MIU for a Christmas time residence course and WPA I asked him why he had told me the place was a meditators nirvana where everyone pulled together for whatever Marshy told us was the greater good. He said Well if you focus on those things, yeah. I was telling you how I approached MIU when I was here. I was here to get a degree and to round. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 I thought the Space Brothers were gonna come clean up all the pollution with their superior knowledge and technology? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 Groundwater disappear dueto lack of rain since aluminium has been sprayed above California since the 70's. Aluminum found in groundwater due to chemtrails have now reached dangerously high values and will in time cause a cancer epidemic, courtesy of the American government. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : California is doomed... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140815-central-valley-california-drilling-boom-groundwater-drought-wells/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I remember when people went around saying the US has 5-7% of the global population, but uses 25% of the resources. Chickens home to roost. California is starting to get serious about desalination, with a plant opening next year in San Diego area, and down in LA, spray-painting the lawn green, is a booming business. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Personally, I'm much more enthusiastic about the current Sustainable Living program and the people it attracts than any aspect of the university in previous decades.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and Alex, was WTF - For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/4/2014 9:30 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! The point, Share, is that, mere over-posting or flooding the forum on Yahoo Groups is NOT a crime, or terrorism No, just a pathetic pain the ass, it's been pointed out so stop doing it. The best policy in this case would probably be a simple apology and a retraction from the party posting the false allegations. How about one from you for deliberately pissing everyone off? That would suffice for me I think, but it's difficult to get any justice around here now that Judy is no longer participating as a checks and balance force. Almost the entire group of respondents has been turned against me, for no apparent reason. Go figure. It sure baffles me. It is also very troubling to realize that a few informants, who shall not be named, are calling for outright censorship and a limit to our freedom of expression and our right of free speech, AFTER posting slanderous and defaming messages with my real name in the header. And, then the miscreants announce they are creating silly folders and filters so they don't have to read my rebuttals and protestations. That's the real issue - that the moderators are tone deaf and asleep at the wheel, apparently. Or, they just don't care, which is worse in my opinion. We said it first. Yahoo Groups Guidelines: Don't violate the law. Members of Yahoo! communities are not above the law, so don't post anything that violates the laws of your country, state, province, or city. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it. https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. On 9/3/2014 10:58 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nah, just boot him. Like you say it's obvious he's being malicious. Most other group moderators would have booted him long ago. He has the disposition of an ex-con. Maybe he is one.
[FairfieldLife] The invention of telepathy. Sort of....
Direct brain-to-brain communication demonstrated in human subjects http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm Direct brain-to-brain communication demonstrat... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm In a first-of-its-kind study, an international team of neuroscientists and robotics engineers has demonstrated the viability of direct brain-to-brain communication ... View on www.sciencedaily.com http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140903105646.htm Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Lunch Today, and, Experience or Knowledge? [1 Attachment]
Normally I do not talk about my day, but I got an invite for lunch today, and leaving New York State, ended up sitting on a log and eating a bag lunch in the State of Connecticut by a lake. I like being near urban areas, but really don't like to live in them even though I have spent time in large cities, and smaller towns, including New York City, Washington D.C., San Francisco, and that strange place called Fairfield, Iowa. Currently I live in relative proximity to Brewster, New York but not directly in town, and except in Winter when the trees are bare, seldom can see neighbours' homes, so there is a feeling of isolation even though there are people nearby. I doubt I could be as urban-centric as, say, Barry seems to be. However a European city like Leiden is quite different, so I imagine, based on images associated with Google maps, compared to those here in the United States, and perhaps more tolerable and quaint. I think I might like a small English town. I tend to like areas with hills or mountains, though none such mountains are where I am now, but I have hills at least. Attached is the view I had for lunch. No one around except the person who invited me; access by a less frequently used trail. Some time ago there was a discussion about the nature of Vedanta. Vedanta claims that enlightenment is knowledge, not experience, only that experiences, such as that one gets with meditation etc., eventually contribute to the knowledge that is called 'enlightenment'. This was disputed by fleetwood_macandcheese who claimed 'enlightenment' is a persistent experience 24/7, which is the view of yoga whose aim is the experience of samadhi. But you can experience samadhi a lot, even persistently, and be unenlightened. I think of it as something more like riding a bicycle (or even a motorcycle). There are certain experiences one has when learning to ride a bike, but then at some point there comes the glorious moment when you 'know' you are not going to fall, and that knowledge stays with you, but you do not use it or even think about it all the time. You do not always have the experience of riding a bike even when you know how to ride one. And the experiences you had learning to ride the bike, they are gone, gone, gone. Now Barry has said on occasion that 'enlightenment' is a state of attention, and there are other states of attention, of which 'enlightenment' is only one. I am not sure I agree with this, but then I am not sure just what Barry construes this to be. I suspect this view is influenced by his time with Lenz who seemed to have given his students the opportunity for various diverse experiences involving the use of deliberate attention. However if 'enlightenment' is a state of knowledge rather than experience, it certainly comes to attention when you think about it, and not at other times; in other words, the perspective with which you interpret the world only exists when you think about it, so it is a function of memory, acquired knowledge, and current experience, and in fact, only when you are conceptualising experience using this specific kind of 'enlightenment' terminology. Otherwise there is just experience and it does not matter if it is 'enlightened' or not because in the absence of interpretation, experience is not one quality or another, it is just happening. Therefore one can conclude that the experience of the 'enlightened' and the 'unenlightened' are the same, and just have, from time to time, different conceptual overlays provided by the mind. As the picture attached shows, I had a certain experience for lunch today. But now that experience is gone. It is a memory, overlaid with interpretation. I am watching a computer screen now, in Yahoo Mail. But is there really an 'I' that is watching that screen? And when you look at the picture by the lake, do you 'see' the 'I' that is seeing it? Do you see the 'I' in the scene; do you see a self or a Self? What does it look like?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and Alex, was WTF - For Rick
On 09/04/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/4/2014 9:30 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! The point, Share, is that, mere over-posting or flooding the forum on Yahoo Groups is NOT a crime, or terrorism No, just a pathetic pain the ass, it's been pointed out so stop doing it. Try rude. Willy's being very rude. The best policy in this case would probably be a simple apology and a retraction from the party posting the false allegations. How about one from you for deliberately pissing everyone off? And at that I only said he has the *disposition* of an ex-con not that he is one. His use of words like snitch suggest that. He sure snows Share though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Dunno what it was like in 1981, but I went to MIU in '85 under a lot of illusions that had been fostered by a siddha I knew in SC that had graduated from MIU a few years before. He talked like it was an ashram that was also a modern university, spoke glowingly of the forest academies and led me to believe that everyone was on the program, no drugs, no fooling around, everyone was wholeheartedly a TM'er. What I saw and experienced was very different. People were running around jumping into bed with each other at the drop of a hat. MSAE students were smoking pot as were some of the MIU staff and students. The Palestinian kids whose wealthy fathers had sent them to MIU from Sweden or Switzerland were out of control partying and chasing women - some of them had off campus apartments (which was against the rules for undergrads). I had a mighty education on the real MIU mighty quick. So, who and what are you blaming here? You're damned if your a TB and a bliss ninny believing all that MMY has told you and in addition you're a cultist and, apparently, brainwashed if you tow the line and act like a good TM'er studying and meditating. But you're also damned if you jump into bed with members of the opposite sex, smoke dope and generally act like a regular college student. Either way, how is MIU to blame for how people act when they're free agents and attending the school? What exactly is your point MJ? When George brought his wife to MIU for a Christmas time residence course and WPA I asked him why he had told me the place was a meditators nirvana where everyone pulled together for whatever Marshy told us was the greater good. He said Well if you focus on those things, yeah. I was telling you how I approached MIU when I was here. I was here to get a degree and to round.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Off the iCloud
Maybe it's time to review password protocols. The three most popular passwords are: * password * sex * god Not particularly in that order. System administrators love god' for their password - it gives them a sense of power. The important thing is to have different strong passwords for each internet account. 'You're Reacting to Celebgate Wrong' https://www.yahoo.com/tech/youre-reacting-to-celebgate-wrong-9652279.html SAN ANTONIO --- Apple store employees in San Antonio contacted Eva Longoria by using her personal account information and broke into her email, the actress said Tuesday... 'Eva Longoria: Apple store employee in San Antonio broke into my email, called me' San Antonio Express-News: http://www.mysanantonio.com/Eva-Longoria-Apple-store/ http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Eva-Longoria-Apple-store-employee-in-San-Antonio-5730578.php#photo-6800146 On 9/2/2014 10:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It looks like it's over for Apple. Steve Jobs is probably turning over in his grave. Tim Cook should probably resign. This is going to cost Apple billions - they may never recover their reputation. Lesson: Get off the iCloud. Brute force, also known as 'brute force cracking', is a trial-and-error method used to get plain-text passwords from encrypted data. Read more: Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news//iCloud/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740034/Kirsten-Dunst-leads-criticism-company-actively-investigates-claims-hundreds-stars-nude-images-stolen-iCloud.html#ixzz3CDcAJ000
