[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon > > as > > > we enter the domain of "devas" we've got problems > > > Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm > > > dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs > > in > > > the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And > > we > > > are very far from that right now! > > > > But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides > > a basis for quantification. From it we can > > construct > > testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes > > with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages > > than those in homes with entrances facing in other > > directions. > > I think two things are confounded here. There are the > empirical findings that correlate south facing > entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths, etc., > compared to north facing entranced homes. These are > empirical facts if the research is done right. Then > there are the explanatory concepts that either link > the empirical findings back into known science or a > new explanatory construct is created (such as in the > 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to > explain the findings. I'm not sure how you think I "confounded" these two. You said it was a myth until it could be "quantified"; I was pointing out that the myth itself was a means of quantification in that it could be used to generate testable hypotheses; studies to test the hypotheses would then generate data, empirical facts. You now appear to be referring to a later stage of the process, one I wasn't addressing at all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Balanced Views?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility > that > > many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs > were > > created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. > I also find > > it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so > far > > only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies > all > > say things like, "Just wait until all the waters recede - then the > bodies > > will show up." But bodies float for days after death. They don't > sink. > > > > Most people were rescued from rooftops, not water. Many couldn't get > onto the roof from their attics. My projection from early on has been > 10,000 to 100,000 dead. I seem to be in the ballpark: > > > http://www.t-g.com/story/1116806.html > > Funeral director deploys to hurricane region > Tuesday, September 6, 2005 > By Clint Confehr > > A co-owner of Shelbyville-based Gowen-Smith Chapel has been deployed > to Gulfport, Miss., to help with recovery since Hurricane Katrina, > and his business partner here has described the grim task there. > "DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies," Dan Buckner > said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational > Response Team, a volunteer arm of Homeland Security. I think this may be from all over the area, not just New Orleans. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Balanced Views?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility > that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed > gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll > its flavors. The idea that they may never have happened because nobody has come forward to substantiate them is itself pretty dubious. These people were likely too busy trying to stay alive, and then attempting to get out of the city, to track down a policeman, if they could even have found one who had the time to take their report. The police force in New Orleans is in significant disarray at the moment. A lot of them have apparently walked off the job, because the stress was too great, or they needed to see to the safety of their own families. Some apparently drowned in the flood in their homes. Morale is rock-bottom. Two officers have committed suicide. They may not be feeling like confirming anything that they could be blamed for. I saw a segment on CNN this evening in which a woman who had been in the Superdome for four days gave an account of being terrorized at night--in the pitch black--by gangs of young men. And it's not clear when the Guardian looked for bodies in the Convention Center, or where. Some of the bodies have been removed, but one reporter was allowed to look in the "cooler," or what would have been a cooler if there had been power, where some 30 bodies had been stashed because the door could be closed on them to contain the stench. > I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is > claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have > been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, "Just wait > until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up." But > bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. I think they're referring to the bodies of people trapped and drowned in the houses that are still under water. And it's not that only a few hundred bodies have been *found*; it's that only a few hundred bodies have been found, taken to the morgue, and *counted*. Let's hope the mayor is wrong, but we really have no way of knowing yet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Balanced Views?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that > many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were > created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. I also find > it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far > only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all > say things like, "Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies > will show up." But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. > Most people were rescued from rooftops, not water. Many couldn't get onto the roof from their attics. My projection from early on has been 10,000 to 100,000 dead. I seem to be in the ballpark: http://www.t-g.com/story/1116806.html Funeral director deploys to hurricane region Tuesday, September 6, 2005 By Clint Confehr A co-owner of Shelbyville-based Gowen-Smith Chapel has been deployed to Gulfport, Miss., to help with recovery since Hurricane Katrina, and his business partner here has described the grim task there. "DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies," Dan Buckner said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team, a volunteer arm of Homeland Security. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hollywood Producer David Lynch t speak at Yale regarding TM, admission free
Celebrated Film Director David Lynch at Yale on September 30 to Speak on "Consciousness, Creativity, and the Brain" To Launch New Foundation to Help Students Overcome Stress through Transcendental Meditation Award-winning director David Lynch (Elephant Man, Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive) will speak at Yale on "Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain" on Friday, September 30, at 7:30 p.m. Lynch's talk will be held at the Battell Chapel (Elm and College streets). The talk is free and open to the public. Lynch, who is in the midst of directing his new film, Inland Empire, will speak and answer questions on his films. He will also launch the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace-a nonprofit organization dedicated to bringing the benefits of stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation to students (www.davidlynchfoundation.org). Lynch's foundation recently partnered with other foundations in an unprecedented $1.2 million research grant to study the effects of meditation on brain functioning, academic performance, learning disorders, anxiety, depression, and substance abuse among students in nine schools and colleges. The celebrated yet reclusive film maker admits to his aversion to public speaking, but said he is coming to Yale to highlight the need for students to overcome the epidemic of stress that pervades colleges and schools. "Students experience fear, anxiety, depression-their life is not what it should be. I know from my own 30 years of experience that meditation can work. I am coming to Yale to tell students that my foundation is available to help them develop their consciousness, creativity, and brain through Transcendental Meditation," Lynch said. Lynch will be joined at the talk by quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin, who was recently featured in the hit documentary "What the Bleep Do We Know?" and neuroscientist Dr. Fred Travis, director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management. Lynch's talk is sponsored by the Yale Film Studies Program, Cinema at the Whitney, The Yale Film Society, and the University Chaplain's Office. For more information, please call 203-436-4668. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
But there may be money to be made? $$$ The government is shelling out money to take care of these people. And it would prove how fast Maharishi programs, can take the poor and desolate; and bring them health and happiness. What does the color of the skin matter? The British considered the natives of India, to be black. Our holy tradition itself, provides for the 'pure and impure'. > > Invite the unwashed and the impure into Vedic City, Rick? No wonder > > you got kicked out of the dome. Totally heretical thinking. About as > > likely as the Pope inviting women Protestant priests to come and fill up > > empty rooms in the Vatican. > > > > Your intentions are noble, but not in a million years would > Maharishi invite > > black, poor non-meditators into his illusory "heaven on earth". > > Especially not in 'Ravana-headed' America... > Sad, > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about > > > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > > > > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both > Governors and > > > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those > come, then > > > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees > rather > > > than leave the place empty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Modern scientific thought is based on Newtonian Gravity? Not for the > last 90 years or so. Ever heard of Einsteinian Relativity? > > Newtonian Gravitational theory was quite fundamental for hundreds of > years, but has been proven to be a "good approximation" of reality as > long as nothing is moving too quickly relative to the observer. But to > consider it fundamental today is equivalent to considering horse and > buggy to being the latest in ground transportation technology. > > The modern scientific method got its start working with Newtonian Gravity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die/Create more satva
One thing that may be helpful; In our analysis of Bushy, and what is happening and what has happened; One thing I heard, is that George Bush, is embodying, everything, about the "old system; old paradigm", that needs changing. Like the dying "Old Guard"; he 'stays the course' and holds the vibration of this old dying paradigm. So, in a way, he is helping to reveal, what doesn't work anymore. He is helping us all to see the hypocrisy of it all. So, like Hitler, who gave us an example, of what not to do, what not to be; We now have our George, 'keeping the course', as we watch the whole thing collapses. And it is true, that the more Satva, that is created in the atmosphere; The faster the collapse of the old hypocrisy will commence. I personally never took it lightly, that Maharishi, felt so strongly on this matter; Although, before George Bush was elected, I had thought that he represented the complete take-over of the so-called Military/Industrial Complex. And he has been moving in that direction; But we'll see... > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I believe it is time once more to remind everyone of > > MMY's opinion of Dubya: > > > > I got this from someone on Heavenly Mountain on > > September 1, 2001. > > > > Hi, any new news after this call on the future of the > > TM movement in America? > > > > Hi Friends, I have taken the time to transcribe these > > notes from a tape of a conference call for TM > > Governors, with the west coast regional coordinator. > > She speaks with Maharishi regularly. There is so much > > heavy, important information here, that I want to send > > it to all my friends. The first part consists of her > > verbatim notes when MMY was speaking, then the next > > part on a follow-up talk which may be more paraphrased > > (that's where it was stated that the demon Ravana is > > working through George W. Bush!) Very > > thought-provoking and helpful to see what Maharishi's > > attention is on these days. (any question mark means I > > am either not sure of the spelling or not sure I heard > > the word on the tape clearly.) > > > > Jai Guru Dev, Mary > > > > Jai Guru Dev. This is probably one of the largest > > governor meetings that's been held in a long time, > > outside of a course She wants to start by thanking > > each and every one of you who has joined this call > > tonight. Many have been viewing the MOU channel daily, > > so are very aware of Maharishi's displeasure with NATO > > and "bombing for peace". Now we are hearing more the > > negative repercussions from around the world directed > > at the attitude, behavior, and positioning of the > > United States. Curt and Christie Kleinschnitz gave a > > report on the Maharishi Vedic Center project. > > Maharishi approved it as a very good plan, he just > > wanted us to reduce the cost so more can be built. > > After the Kleinschnitz couple reviewed for Maharishi > > the plan of rebuilding the whole country in accordance > > with Stapathya Veda principles, including their idea > > to apply for some federal Foundation funds to help > > with this, here are MMY's comments on the real > > situation in the U.S. today: "The president is > > destroying the foundation of the world. Tell them that > > you are a Foundation for the good of the people. We > > are trying to create coherence in society. He > > (referring to the president) is even more violent than > > Hitler. (The regional coordinator makes a comment here > > that what he meant is that the potential for what Bush > > could do is more violent than what Hitler did during > > WWII). A new Rakshasa in America. He could destroy the > > world, and he may. It is good that the money stays in > > the bank, and we ascend to Heaven. We want to > > counteract these actions. Don't waste time asking for > > funds. The governors had intended to apply for some > > U.S. Govt. grants for their project) Waste of time! We > > are powerful. We will not take bad money. Whether the > > world comes or goes, we maintain our dignity. Don't > > waste time by asking for funds and all this, and go by > > your regular business procedures. Waste of time. We > > are powerful, and we don't have to beg money from > > those people. It is this begging for money that I > > dislike. So whether the world continues breathing or > > stops breathing, but it is not our dignity to ask for > > money here and there. We just stand (?) the whole > > thing and maintain our dignity. Write them (the > > Foundation) but with an authority. Begging them for > > money and all that - NO! You say that today, we are > > telling you that your money will remain in the bank, > > and the banks will be going to Heaven. Use authority > > with them. Some things we needed to ask from them for > > 10 years, to get some money. No, no. Three years, try > > to save your life, and we have the authority to give > > the license to live. With authority, with authority
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) > > > > referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk > > > > managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will > > > > wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy > > on > > > > the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you > > > > believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother > > disciple > > > > of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > > > > > > > > > > The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and > > > became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a > > > thicker plot -- than your account suggests. > > > > > > Don't mistake this as an endorsement of all of the rumored details > > of > > > said plot. But I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best > > > established of the facts. And MMY was his clerk, aka secretary. > > > > > > And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was > > not > > > very lucid in his last days. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons > > > introduced. > > > > > > I am not sure "power", as you argue, would be the issue in this > > > circumstance, tho again i am not arguing for the validity of the > > > "plot". But hypothetically, if a signed "list" appeared, it would > > give > > > enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to > > enable a > > > new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what > > > happened. Then it became a game of "possession is 9/10s of the > > law". > > > > > > And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a > > > list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the > > > confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. > > > > Others have claimed that Shantayanda was NOT a cook, but whatever. > > > > As I said, making the cook the spiritual leader is traditional in > > some religions, but not the Brahmin-dominated Hindus. Of COURSE this > > caused massive protesting in some quarters. A cook???!!!? > > > I am not arguing for or against. Or for or against cooks. But by most > accounts that I have heard, Shantanand was said to be a sweet, pious > man, but with not much training in vedic literature or sanskrit. In > that aspect, he failed one of the three requirements for the job. But > perhaps I have not heard correctly, or the full story. He might not have been, orperhaps they just assumed that a cook couldn't possibly be worthy and made up the "but he's not trained in Sanskrit" as an excuse. Recall also that the "shankaracharya maker" guy wanted to be in charge of Yet Another Shankaracharya appointment and an unknown cook wouldn't build up his reputation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Feds/36 Hours Too Late/ For Many...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/6/05 10:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > send them where, when? > > > > > > > > Into New Orleans on Tuesday or even Wednesday to start evacuation of > the > > Dome and Convention center or even to bring food and water and to > restore law > > and order. > > They WERE deployed starting Monday morning. > > > > > Yes,I think I did See the,controlling the riots and bringing food and water > and evacuating the people. Hmm. There were 6500 LANG available. About 3800 were deployed by Monday. DOn't know when and if the rest were deployed. Its conceivablethat they were just back from Iraq, and I don't know the logistics of deploying combat troops for law enforcement and so on without debriefing.Imagine sending a bunch of kids who were just back from being shot at every day into a disaster area where a few looters were taking potshots... I've read that the Bush Administration WAS worried about this kind of issue, but perhaps not specifically concerning Iraq War vets. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya
> > According to the definition proposed by Maharishi, Guru Dev was a > > TMer because he was able to transcend the relative field and make > > contact with the Absolute on a regular basis. > > > By that definition every saint, mystic, and many ordinary spiritual > practitioners from every tradition are TMers. > It's just an analogy, Rick - everyone knows that in reality there's no such thing as a "TMer", but the point is that any technique that provides the opportunity for transcending could be termed TM. By that definition Guru Dev was practicing a meditation that was transcendental: he was apparently able to transcend on a regular basis. That's the Sri Vidya - Transcendental Knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Invite the unwashed and the impure into Vedic City, Rick? No wonder > you got kicked out of the dome. Totally heretical thinking. About as > likely as the Pope inviting women Protestant priests to come and fill up > empty rooms in the Vatican. > > Your intentions are noble, but not in a million years would Maharishi invite > black, poor non-meditators into his illusory "heaven on earth". Especially not in 'Ravana-headed' America... Sad, JohnY > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about > > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both Governors and > > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then > > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather > > than leave the place empty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] More Balanced Views?
Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, "Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up." But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. --- Murder and rape - fact or fiction? Gary Younge in Baton Rouge Tuesday September 6, 2005 The Guardian There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre. In a week filled with dreadful scenes of desperation and anger from New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina some stories stood out. But as time goes on many remain unsubstantiated and may yet prove to be apocryphal. New Orleans police have been unable to confirm the tale of the raped child, or indeed any of the reports of rapes, in the Superdome and convention centre. New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass said last night: "We don't have any substantiated rapes. We will investigate if the individuals come forward." And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward. Nor has the source for the story of the murdered babies, or indeed their bodies, been found. And while the floor of the convention centre toilets were indeed covered in excrement, the Guardian found no corpses. During a week when communications were difficult, rumours have acquired a particular currency. They acquired through repetition the status of established facts. One French journalist from the daily newspaper Libération was given precise information that 1,200 people had drowned at Marion Abramson school on 5552 Read Boulevard. Nobody at the Federal Emergency Management Agency or the New Orleans police force has been able to verify that. But then Fema could not confirm there were thousands of people at the convention centre until they were told by the press for the simple reason that they did not know. "Katrina's winds have left behind an information vacuum. And that vacuum has been filled by rumour. "There is nothing to correct wild reports that armed gangs have taken over the convention centre," wrote Associated Press writer, Allen Breed. "You can report them but you at least have to say they are unsubstantiated and not pass them off as fact," said one Baltimore-based journalist. "But nobody is doing that." Either way these rumours have had an effect. Reports of the complete degradation and violent criminals running rampant in the Superdome suggested a crisis that both hastened the relief effort and demonised those who were stranded. By the end of last week the media in Baton Rouge reported that evacuees from New Orleans were carjacking and that guns and knives were being seized in local shelters where riots were erupting. The local mayor responded accordingly. "We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Kip Holden was told the Baton Rouge Advocate. "We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people." The trouble, wrote Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune is that "scarcely any of it was true - the police confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter". "There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes." Similarly when the first convoy of national guardsmen went into New Orleans approached the convention centre they were ordered to "lock and load". But when they arrived they were confronted not by armed mobs but a nurse wearing a T- shirt that read "I love New Orleans". "She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns," wrote the LA Times. "We have sick kids up here!" she shouted. "We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) > > referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk > > managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will > > wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy on > > the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you > > believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother disciple > > of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > > > > The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and > became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a > thicker plot -- than your account suggests. > > Don't mistake this as an endorsement of all of the rumored details of > said plot. But I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best > established of the facts. And MMY was his clerk, aka secretary. > > And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was not > very lucid in his last days. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons > introduced. > > I am not sure "power", as you argue, would be the issue in this > circumstance, tho again i am not arguing for the validity of the > "plot". But hypothetically, if a signed "list" appeared, it would give > enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to enable a > new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what > happened. Then it became a game of "possession is 9/10s of the law". > > And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a > list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the > confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. See - that's what I mean - divergent stories - very difficult to know the truth of it all...few direct witnesses, to much time, spin, politics, and the very elastic Indian definition of truth... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
This only goes to prove the point. "South" is only south because the first mapmakers lived in what is now called the northern hemisphere. They decided they wanted to be on top (probably men), so they drew maps with their countries above all those nasty, dark-skinned people who lived "below" them. It's a totally arbitrary direction from the point of view of the cosmos. If SV claims some specialness for south without regard to where the sun actually lies (north, for most of the year, when in most of the southern hemisphere), then it is as arbitrary as I suspect it to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge > > Ram". > > > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. > > > > > > I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from > > the > > > north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being > > > slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought > > > back from the south. I certainly would have. > > > > > > As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern > > entrances > > > would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's > > where > > > the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a > > > southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason > > there's > > > no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the > > > invention of the telescope. > > > > > > Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung > > on > > > something tangible like direction or a visible planet. > > > > > > > > > In fact, I can't find anyone who knows the answer to the question: > > should we reversethe roles of North and South in SV when dealing with > > buildings south of the Equator? > > > > Until I hear a definitive answer from the TMO, I reserve judgement on > > how inflexable the SV interpretation is. > > I am not the TMO, but I have heard MMY and the TMO say without > equivication that its still southern entrances in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Balanced View?
In my experience whenever there is a vociferous group loudly proclaiming that a particular event or idea is "completely black", and there is an equally forceful group presenting all sorts of bombastic arguments for it being "completely white", I find that the event or idea usually ends up being a tapestry. I find white in it, to be sure, and I also find black in it, but mostly I find a wide variety of shades of grey. Concerning New Orleans, the following article by a BBC commentator is the most balanced I've seen. Multiple failures caused relief crisis Analysis By Paul Reynolds World Affairs correspondent, BBC News website The breakdown of the relief operation in New Orleans was the result of multiple failures by city, state and federal authorities. Evacuation at last, but why so late? There was no one cause. The failures began long before the hurricane with a gamble that a Category Four or Five hurricane would not strike New Orleans. They continued with an inadequate evacuation plan and culminated in a relief effort hampered by lack of planning, supplies and manpower, and a breakdown in communications of the most basic sort. On top of all this, there is the question of whether an earlier intervention by President Bush could have a made a big difference. The planning Before Hurricane Katrina struck, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) was confident that it was ready. Its director, Michael Brown, said: "Fema has pre-positioned many assets including ice, water, food and rescue teams to move into the stricken areas as soon as it is safe to do so." Mr Brown even told the Associated Press news agency that the evacuation had gone well. "I was impressed with the evacuation, once it was ordered it was very smooth," he said. Yet on Saturday 28 August, the day before the evacuation was ordered, Mr Brown did not say that people should leave the city. All he said was: "There's still time to take action now, but you must be prepared and take shelter and other emergency precautions immediately." This has made Fema appear complacent in the period immediately before the hurricane arrived. If it did not expect the worst, it would not have prepared for the worst. The Brown statement went out on the same day that the National Hurricane Center was warning that Katrina was strengthening to the top Category Five. Everyone knew the dangers of a Category Five. A Fema exercise last year called "Hurricane Pam" had looked at a Category Three, and that was bad enough. The evacuation It was announced at a news conference by the Mayor Ray Nagin on Sunday 28 August, less than 24 hours before the hurricane struck early the next morning. The question has to be asked: Why was it not ordered earlier? The Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said at the same news conference that President Bush had called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation. The night before, National Hurricane Director Max Mayfield had called Mayor Nagin to tell him that an evacuation was needed. Why were these calls necessary? School buses still lined up after the hurricane Again, as with Fema, the New Orleans mayor should have known that on the Saturday, Katrina was strengthening to Five. It was already clear on the Sunday that the evacuation would not cover many of the poor, the sick and those who did not pay heed. The mayor said people going to the Superdome, a sports venue named as an alternative destination for those unable to leave, should bring supplies for several days. He also said police could commandeer any vehicle for the evacuation. But how much support was there at the Superdome? And how much city transport was actually used? There is a photo showing city school buses still lined up, in waterlogged parking lots, after the hurricane. Update: a reader has pointed out that there are detailed plans for Louisiana and the City of New Orleans for an evacuation and these make it clear that buses should be used to transport those without cars. See links. There are questions for the mayor, dubbed heroic by some, to answer. The relief operation The scenes which most shocked the world were at the Superdome and the nearby Convention Center. Yet it turns out that neither Mr Brown nor his boss, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, knew about the crises there until Thursday. This, despite numerous television reports from the scene. It was not until Friday that the first relief convoy arrived. It was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap, and that essentially the lake was going to drain into the city Michael Chertoff, Homeland Security Secretary "The very day that this emerged in the press, I was on a video conference with all the officials, including state and local officials. And nobody, none of the state and local officials or anybody else, w
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
> The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and > became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a > thicker plot -- than your account suggests. > If the cook was Shantanand and he was suspected of murder why did the Swami Svarupanand invite him to the birthday celebration reported by Kropinsky? > ...I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best > established of the facts. > Guru Dev didn't have a cook - Sannyasins of the Shankaracharya order don't eat food cooked by others. > And MMY was his clerk, aka secretary. > MMY was a devotee who performed office duty, probably because he could read and write English. > And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was > not very lucid in his last days. > Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons introduced. > According to the coroners report Guru Dev died of natural causes - no mention of poisons in the Indian press at the time. Shantanand was at Allahabad at the Shankar Math at the time, not in Calcutta with Guru Dev. > But hypothetically, if a signed "list" appeared, it would give > enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to enable > a new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what > happened. > According to the Times of India Shantanand was installed as the new Shankaracharya with all due pomp and ceremony in a public coronation that lasted for days. > Then it became a game of "possession is 9/10s of the law". > Shantanand, as Guru Dev's succussor, inherited the Shankaracharya title, the Jyotirmath, the property, and all the accoutrements of the office. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is the current Shankaracharya at Jyotirmath. > And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a > list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the > confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. > Apparently Guru Dev's last will and command was written in Hindi by Guru Dev himself. The will has never been contested, according to published reports. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
Invite the unwashed and the impure into Vedic City, Rick? No wonder you got kicked out of the dome. Totally heretical thinking. About as likely as the Pope inviting women Protestant priests to come and fill up empty rooms in the Vatican. Your intentions are noble, but not in a million years would Maharishi invite black, poor non-meditators into his illusory "heaven on earth". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both Governors and > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather > than leave the place empty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
> The rumor was that this clerk managed to conspire with a > cook to kill Gurudev. > The Shankaracharya of Dwarka never said anyhting about a cook conspiring to murder Guru Dev - that was a rumor started by Steve Perino on Usenet. You can refer to the Kropinsky interview with the Shankaracharya to confirm this - no mention of a cook. And why? First, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati didn't employ a cook. Second, he wasn't at Jyotirmath when he died. And third, there's no mention anywhere in the Indian press at the time that Guru Dev died of anything but natural causes. > After the will was produced, this clerk was so powerful as to > get the first guy on the list proclaimed Shankaracharya over the > protestations (if you believe what everyone here appears to) > liaterally every other disciple of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > Sounds like a pretty powerful clerk! But, it's a fact that there was no dispute over the will, according to Swami Svarupanand Saraswati, and he agrees that Shantanand was the first to be mentioned in the will. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
Modern scientific thought is based on Newtonian Gravity? Not for the last 90 years or so. Ever heard of Einsteinian Relativity? Newtonian Gravitational theory was quite fundamental for hundreds of years, but has been proven to be a "good approximation" of reality as long as nothing is moving too quickly relative to the observer. But to consider it fundamental today is equivalent to considering horse and buggy to being the latest in ground transportation technology. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > These are > > empirical facts if the research is done right. Then > > there are the explanatory concepts that either link > > the empirical findings back into known science or a > > new explanatory construct is created (such as in the > > 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to > > explain the findings. This, of course, is much more > > difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do > > with the 1% research. But the new construct must > > attempt to link or bridge known science to the new > > explanatory paradigm. The new construct must "make > > sense" within a scientific zeitgeist. The new > > explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a > > metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk about > > self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e., devas) > > governing directional quadrants on a piece of property > > is just a cultural belief from India. It is very, very > > far away from explaining research findings that > > haven't even been completed yet! > > I don't know where you learned your "scientific theory" but its just > plain wrong. It doesn't cover such fundamental scientific theories as > Newtonian Gravity for instance, which is what modern scientific > thoguht is based on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
So sad to hear Maharishi ranting away. He's failed, he knows it, he can't come to grips with it, and it's always someone else's fault. Really, really sad. Hyping "really useful press releases"? Promising "new programs to save the world" in just a few days? Really, really sad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe it is time once more to remind everyone of > MMY's opinion of Dubya: > > I got this from someone on Heavenly Mountain on > September 1, 2001. > > Hi, any new news after this call on the future of the > TM movement in America? > > Hi Friends, I have taken the time to transcribe these > notes from a tape of a conference call for TM > Governors, with the west coast regional coordinator. > She speaks with Maharishi regularly. There is so much > heavy, important information here, that I want to send > it to all my friends. The first part consists of her > verbatim notes when MMY was speaking, then the next > part on a follow-up talk which may be more paraphrased > (that's where it was stated that the demon Ravana is > working through George W. Bush!) Very > thought-provoking and helpful to see what Maharishi's > attention is on these days. (any question mark means I > am either not sure of the spelling or not sure I heard > the word on the tape clearly.) > > Jai Guru Dev, Mary > > Jai Guru Dev. This is probably one of the largest > governor meetings that's been held in a long time, > outside of a course She wants to start by thanking > each and every one of you who has joined this call > tonight. Many have been viewing the MOU channel daily, > so are very aware of Maharishi's displeasure with NATO > and "bombing for peace". Now we are hearing more the > negative repercussions from around the world directed > at the attitude, behavior, and positioning of the > United States. Curt and Christie Kleinschnitz gave a > report on the Maharishi Vedic Center project. > Maharishi approved it as a very good plan, he just > wanted us to reduce the cost so more can be built. > After the Kleinschnitz couple reviewed for Maharishi > the plan of rebuilding the whole country in accordance > with Stapathya Veda principles, including their idea > to apply for some federal Foundation funds to help > with this, here are MMY's comments on the real > situation in the U.S. today: "The president is > destroying the foundation of the world. Tell them that > you are a Foundation for the good of the people. We > are trying to create coherence in society. He > (referring to the president) is even more violent than > Hitler. (The regional coordinator makes a comment here > that what he meant is that the potential for what Bush > could do is more violent than what Hitler did during > WWII). A new Rakshasa in America. He could destroy the > world, and he may. It is good that the money stays in > the bank, and we ascend to Heaven. We want to > counteract these actions. Don't waste time asking for > funds. The governors had intended to apply for some > U.S. Govt. grants for their project) Waste of time! We > are powerful. We will not take bad money. Whether the > world comes or goes, we maintain our dignity. Don't > waste time by asking for funds and all this, and go by > your regular business procedures. Waste of time. We > are powerful, and we don't have to beg money from > those people. It is this begging for money that I > dislike. So whether the world continues breathing or > stops breathing, but it is not our dignity to ask for > money here and there. We just stand (?) the whole > thing and maintain our dignity. Write them (the > Foundation) but with an authority. Begging them for > money and all that - NO! You say that today, we are > telling you that your money will remain in the bank, > and the banks will be going to Heaven. Use authority > with them. Some things we needed to ask from them for > 10 years, to get some money. No, no. Three years, try > to save your life, and we have the authority to give > the license to live. With authority, with authority, > with boldness, openness say, 'Your country is going to > go, and you should save your money for your own life.' > (At this point, Curt Kleinschnitz very quietly said, > 'Not very many people write them letters to that > point, Maharishi.') Maharishi said: Write them, that > we are inviting you to continue to breathe life on > Earth because your president is putting you on fire. > That we are a charitable organization. We invite you > to continue to breathe life. Otherwise all your > charitable foundations and charity and this, the > whole thing doesn't mean a thing. Take them with > charitable things and say that they are alive in the > world. Save your life. This is very bad. There's a > very bad opposition in Europe. Everywhere he > (president Bush) went, but it doesn't matter. Even if > he is honored in Europe, he is going to eat up life > for the world, that's all. We are doing our things. We > are d
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/6/05 10:13 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. > > > > I agree. References to "Big Easy" life was perhaps a "low cost" shot. > > Not quite a cheap shot. But not not quite fitting to the > > circumstances. But my main point was that many are not wanting to go > > to Utah, and prefering the shelters to that (as bad as the shleters > > are.) And hence I questioned the attractiveness of FF for them. (I > > would pick Utah over FF :) ) > > I saw some on the news tonight who are still living on a bridge near their > neighborhood and refusing to be moved to a military hospital ship which > would be very comfortable. There are others in the Astrodome who refuse to > move to a cruise ship in which they'd have their own cabin, private > bathroom, great food, etc. Heck, I felt like going down for that. I can see it now. TV pics of Rick Archer dressed in ragged clothes, faking his best cajun accent, telling tall tales of woe of how he survived the storm, then later with his heels kicked up, enjoying his private cabin on the luxury liner, enjoying good cajun cooking ... :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
on 9/6/05 10:13 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. > > I agree. References to "Big Easy" life was perhaps a "low cost" shot. > Not quite a cheap shot. But not not quite fitting to the > circumstances. But my main point was that many are not wanting to go > to Utah, and prefering the shelters to that (as bad as the shleters > are.) And hence I questioned the attractiveness of FF for them. (I > would pick Utah over FF :) ) I saw some on the news tonight who are still living on a bridge near their neighborhood and refusing to be moved to a military hospital ship which would be very comfortable. There are others in the Astrodome who refuse to move to a cruise ship in which they'd have their own cabin, private bathroom, great food, etc. Heck, I felt like going down for that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) > > > referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk > > > managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will > > > wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy > on > > > the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you > > > believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother > disciple > > > of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > > > > > > > The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and > > became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a > > thicker plot -- than your account suggests. > > > > Don't mistake this as an endorsement of all of the rumored details > of > > said plot. But I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best > > established of the facts. And MMY was his clerk, aka secretary. > > > > And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was > not > > very lucid in his last days. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons > > introduced. > > > > I am not sure "power", as you argue, would be the issue in this > > circumstance, tho again i am not arguing for the validity of the > > "plot". But hypothetically, if a signed "list" appeared, it would > give > > enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to > enable a > > new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what > > happened. Then it became a game of "possession is 9/10s of the > law". > > > > And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a > > list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the > > confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. > > Others have claimed that Shantayanda was NOT a cook, but whatever. > > As I said, making the cook the spiritual leader is traditional in > some religions, but not the Brahmin-dominated Hindus. Of COURSE this > caused massive protesting in some quarters. A cook???!!!? I am not arguing for or against. Or for or against cooks. But by most accounts that I have heard, Shantanand was said to be a sweet, pious man, but with not much training in vedic literature or sanskrit. In that aspect, he failed one of the three requirements for the job. But perhaps I have not heard correctly, or the full story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
on 9/6/05 9:55 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about >>> the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. >> >> Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both Governors and >> pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those > come, then >> it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather >> than leave the place empty. > > Rather than a compassionate gesture? They're not in the habit of making those. I figured the PR angle would appeal to them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh those pesky details...
sparaig wrote: > Tauzin not blaming, but unhappy with FEMA > So, you want to turn the national disaster into a political debate BEFORE the victims have even been identified? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- GOOD STUFF! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > bad by comparison. > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > I rarely read AMT and don't wish to dip into a discussion that I am > not part of and that probably has a larger context and set of arguments. > > However, my own observations: MMY from my earliest days of seeing him, > 67, and ever since, emphasised NOT reading and seeing other teachers. > To my surprise SSRS has made similar points, indicating it can cause > confusion. He even says this is the meaning of Jesus's comment "I am > the ONLY way" and is applicable to all teachers. If you follow a > teacher, they offer an integrated package, internally consistant, that > will get you to the "goal". While the parts of each program are > internally consistant, they are not inter-program exchangable and > consistant. They may conflict. Thus, on an itner-program basis, each > component is not necessarily internally consistant and a hodge- podge > chinese menu, a la carte menu of practices, drawn across various > teachers' offerings, is not productive, for the most part. Or at least > not "supported", not tested, and not "guaranteed". > > MMY once said that the Veda is so vast that any statement could be > made that is consistent with the Veda. As will be its opposite. Thus > it is not hard to see that taking one angle, an internally consistent > system can be created. And taking another angle, a different, but > valid system can also be created. Sort of parallel to Euclidean and > non-Euclidean geometries. Though each of them are "correct", their > parts are not interchangable. > > SBS is a different teacher that MMY. I don't think MMY ever claimed to > be teaching everything SBS taught. Indeed he has said he is not. MMY > has his own angle of teaching. And SBS did not teach exactly the same > package as his teacher Krishanand, I presume. And each disciple of SBS > does not teach the same package. > > The key thing that teachers pass down to their students is the full > light of Consciousness. Each student in the full light of > Consciousness, and given their propensities and inclinations (perhaps > as detailed by jyotish chart), their total training -- from all > teachers, their past life experience, the needs and karmas of their > students, the needs of the time, etc, derive an integrated, internally > consistent, sadhana that fits them and the times in which they teach. > It will not be the same as what other fully lit teachers will do, even > those who come from the same teacher. > > Just as SSRS, who honors MMY as his teacher, teaches his own > integrated package. Mixing and matching methods from SBS, MMY and SSRS > could be a messy and inefficient sadhana. As would mixing and matching > methods solely of MMY and SBS. That is why I belive MMY does not talk > about all the things SBS did and taught. All of that is NOT MMY's > program. And SBS would not mix and match, borowing from MMY if he were > (explicitly) teaching today. Each teacher takes their own angle. > > So to observe that MMY is not teaching all that SBS taught, or is not > revealing all things of SBS, does not seem odd or even a constraint. > It would be inefficient to mix and match. As to other reasons why > teachers focus on their angles, and not other teachers, everyone may > have their theories. Paul may have his. You may have yours. Its all > fun speculation. While perhaps as useful as gossip, its not a huge sin > either, IMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://d
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" > or "Dodge > > > Ram". > > > > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and > simple. > > > > > > > > I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came > from > > > the > > > > north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being > > > > slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently > fought > > > > back from the south. I certainly would have. > > > > > > > > As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern > > > entrances > > > > would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since > that's > > > where > > > > the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion > of a > > > > southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason > > > there's > > > > no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them > before the > > > > invention of the telescope. > > > > > > > > Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is > hung > > > on > > > > something tangible like direction or a visible planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I can't find anyone who knows the answer to the > question: > > > should we reversethe roles of North and South in SV when dealing > with > > > buildings south of the Equator? > > > > > > Until I hear a definitive answer from the TMO, I reserve > judgement on > > > how inflexable the SV interpretation is. > > > > I am not the TMO, but I have heard MMY and the TMO say without > > equivication that its still southern entrances in the southern > hemisphere. > > COuld you point me to where thisis said? This would go against the > claimthat it is sunlight that is the determining factor in these > matters. I understand the contradiction, but I heard tapes of such. And some in print interivews in some TMO publications, but I cannot cite. Sorry. Just passing on what I heard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Feds/36 Hours Too Late/ For Many...'
In a message dated 9/6/05 10:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > send them where, when?> > > > Into New Orleans on Tuesday or even Wednesday to start evacuation of the > Dome and Convention center or even to bring food and water and to restore law > and order.They WERE deployed starting Monday morning. Yes,I think I did See the,controlling the riots and bringing food and water and evacuating the people. Hmm. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Its occured to me that Fairfield may not be a big draw for those > > > > accustomed to Bourbon Street life. > > > > > > I'd guess very few of the evacuees are accustomed > > > to Bourbon Street life. > > > > ? > > > > Perhaps I am missing your point or you are missing mine. :) > > Most of these people are very poor, from everything > I've been hearing. They didn't live in the French > Quarter or participate in the high life there. > > If you'd said "inner-city life," I wouldn't have commented. > > > If evacuees chose to stay in shelters rather than go to Utah, they > may > > make the same choice with regards to FF. > > > > Bourbon St was a metaphor for life in the Big Easy. it being > > preferable, even in a shelter, to the hiterlands. > > But not so easy, at least for most of these folks. I agree. References to "Big Easy" life was perhaps a "low cost" shot. Not quite a cheap shot. But not not quite fitting to the circumstances. But my main point was that many are not wanting to go to Utah, and prefering the shelters to that (as bad as the shleters are.) And hence I questioned the attractiveness of FF for them. (I would pick Utah over FF :) ) References to Bourbon St and the Big Easy were not meant to demean, it was just a metaphor for NO life. Inner city and/or anywhere in the city. I was not (intending to) imply that the poor in NO have it easy. Though I understand it could have come across that way, as smug. So I would have been better off, deep-sixing my "witty" ending. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Oh those pesky details...
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times- Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076546 Tauzin not blaming, but unhappy with FEMA By Bruce Alpert Washington bureau WASHINGTON -Former Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-Chackbay, is "reluctant" to cast blame while rescue efforts continue for Hurricane Katrina victims, but is expressing unhappiness the Federal Emergency Management Agency didn't carry out a congressionally ordered study of evacuation plans for a Category 3 or greater hurricane. Tauzin said that the House authorized $500,000 for the study in 1997 and when FEMA asked for more clarification on what Congress intended it passed detailed language setting out the parameters in 1999. The House report, accompanying a funding bill for FEMA and concurred to by House-Senate negotiators who prepared the final bill approved by then President Bill Clinton, read as follows: "The committee directs FEMA to develop an evacuation plan for a Category 3 or greater storm, a levee break, flood or other natural disaster for the New Orleans area, including the parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, Lafourche, St. Bernard, Plaquemines, St. Charles and Terrebonne. FEMA should incorporate the feasibility of a vertical evacuation into the multi-level structures and identify evacuations problems and infrastructure improvements and its directed to work with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Louisiana Department of transportation and Development, Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness, New Orleans Regional Planning Commission and Terrebonne Readiness and Action Committee in the preparation of this plan and report." The vertical evacuation plan that Congress wanted evaluated refers to using tall buildings as places for residents to wait out a storm, presumably safe from flooding. Such an evacuation plan is controversial, with some emergency planning experts worried that the safety from rising flood water might be outweighed by the dangers of the likely shattering of windows by high winds, potentially endangering evacuees. Tauzin said that despite assurances from FEMA officials that the study would be done it was never completed during the Clinton administration. When President George W. Bush took over as president in 2001, Tauzin aides said that the new administration cited a lack of funds for not moving forward with the study. Tauzin said he doesn't know if such a study could have avoided the huge evacuation problems, and potentially large death toll from Hurricane Katrina. But he said it's also possible that the study could have provided important insights that could have aided state, federal and locals officials as they planned ways to evacuate people from the very real threat of Hurricane Katrina. There was no immediate comment from FEMA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) > > referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk > > managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will > > wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy on > > the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you > > believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother disciple > > of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > > > > The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and > became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a > thicker plot -- than your account suggests. > > Don't mistake this as an endorsement of all of the rumored details of > said plot. But I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best > established of the facts. And MMY was his clerk, aka secretary. > > And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was not > very lucid in his last days. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons > introduced. > > I am not sure "power", as you argue, would be the issue in this > circumstance, tho again i am not arguing for the validity of the > "plot". But hypothetically, if a signed "list" appeared, it would give > enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to enable a > new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what > happened. Then it became a game of "possession is 9/10s of the law". > > And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a > list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the > confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. Others have claimed that Shantayanda was NOT a cook, but whatever. As I said, making the cook the spiritual leader is traditional in some religions, but not the Brahmin-dominated Hindus. Of COURSE this caused massive protesting in some quarters. A cook???!!!? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA Head and former fired horse maid waited
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "easyone200" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...]. > > As many as 10,000 may be dead in the wake of the storm. Far, FAR more than that. 10,000 to 100,000 dead. Latest rumor is that the morgues have been told to prepare for 40,000 bodies, but some may be from cemetaries. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Feds/36 Hours Too Late/ For Many...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/6/05 9:21:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > send them where, when? > > > > Into New Orleans on Tuesday or even Wednesday to start evacuation of the > Dome and Convention center or even to bring food and water and to restore law > and order. They WERE deployed starting Monday morning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge > > Ram". > > > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. > > > > > > I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from > > the > > > north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being > > > slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought > > > back from the south. I certainly would have. > > > > > > As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern > > entrances > > > would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's > > where > > > the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a > > > southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason > > there's > > > no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the > > > invention of the telescope. > > > > > > Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung > > on > > > something tangible like direction or a visible planet. > > > > > > > > > In fact, I can't find anyone who knows the answer to the question: > > should we reversethe roles of North and South in SV when dealing with > > buildings south of the Equator? > > > > Until I hear a definitive answer from the TMO, I reserve judgement on > > how inflexable the SV interpretation is. > > I am not the TMO, but I have heard MMY and the TMO say without > equivication that its still southern entrances in the southern hemisphere. COuld you point me to where thisis said? This would go against the claimthat it is sunlight that is the determining factor in these matters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will > > come" attitude about > > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And > > if both Governors and > > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if > > neither of those come, then > > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to > > invite refugees rather > > than leave the place empty. > > It would be nice, but there will be no poor knee-grows > from N'orleans in SV pundit housing. MMY is a racist > and views Blacks as inferior beings. Really? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very > > science that later > > > embraced them and much later found evidence for > > them. > > > > > > The SV mythology does not arise from such an > > evolution. Scientists > > > do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the > > sky explanation > > > for how things work and test it rigorously. > > > > "Deva" is merely a place-holder word. You can > > substitute any set of > > scientific terms you want. Science, the methodology, > > doesn't "care" > > about terminology, only about results. > > No, you are completely wrong here. The explanatory > concepts must make sense by having quantifiable > properties (i.e., open to measurement) and not be > simple metaphors or "placeholders". Placeholders for > what, reality? Parts of the theory must be open to falsifiability of some kind, yes... Placeholder is a perfectly accurate term to use here, of course. Elsewise, why name something a "quark" instead of "breakfast cereal" or "nonsense poem?" [the latter being the source of the term 'quark' and the former being named in honor of the arbitrarily named elementary particle] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its occured to me that Fairfield may not be a big draw for those > > > accustomed to Bourbon Street life. > > > > I'd guess very few of the evacuees are accustomed > > to Bourbon Street life. > > ? > > Perhaps I am missing your point or you are missing mine. :) Most of these people are very poor, from everything I've been hearing. They didn't live in the French Quarter or participate in the high life there. If you'd said "inner-city life," I wouldn't have commented. > If evacuees chose to stay in shelters rather than go to Utah, they may > make the same choice with regards to FF. > > Bourbon St was a metaphor for life in the Big Easy. it being > preferable, even in a shelter, to the hiterlands. But not so easy, at least for most of these folks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both Governors and > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather > than leave the place empty. Rather than a compassionate gesture? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) > referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk > managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will > wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy on > the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you > believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother disciple > of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > The cook was Shantanand, I beleive, who was first on the list, and became Shankarachara -- so it was a bit more interesting, with a thicker plot -- than your account suggests. Don't mistake this as an endorsement of all of the rumored details of said plot. But I think that Shantanand was GD's cook is the best established of the facts. And MMY was his clerk, aka secretary. And it appears from some testimony regarding the will, that GD was not very lucid in his last days. Plausibly the effect of sudden poisons introduced. I am not sure "power", as you argue, would be the issue in this circumstance, tho again i am not arguing for the validity of the "plot". But hypothetically, if a signed "list" appeared, it would give enough nominal clearance during the chaos of GD's passing, to enable a new shankaracharaya to be rushed into GD's quarters. Which is what happened. Then it became a game of "possession is 9/10s of the law". And GD's clerk or secretary would be the person to prepare such a list. And could have had GD sign it, at GD's request, or in the confusion of his non-lucidity, if that occurred. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FEMA Head and former fired horse maid waited
FEMA Chief Waited Until After Storm Hit By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press WriterTue Sep 6, 7:33 PM ET The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents. Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims. Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged. Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities." The initial responses of the government and Brown came under escalating criticism as the breadth of destruction and death grew. President Bush and Congress on Tuesday pledged separate investigations into the federal response to Katrina. "Governments at all levels failed," said Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine. Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said Brown had positioned front-line rescue teams and Coast Guard helicopters before the storm. Brown's memo on Aug. 29 aimed to assemble the necessary federal work force to support the rescues, establish communications and coordinate with victims and community groups, Knocke said. Instead of rescuing people or recovering bodies, these employees would focus on helping victims find the help they needed, he said. "There will be plenty of time to assess what worked and what didn't work," Knocke said. "Clearly there will be time for blame to be assigned and to learn from some of the successful efforts." Brown's memo told employees that among their duties, they would be expected to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public." "FEMA response and recovery operations are a top priority of the department and as we know, one of yours," Brown wrote Chertoff. He proposed sending 1,000 Homeland Security Department employees within 48 hours and 2,000 within seven days. Knocke said the 48-hour period suggested for the Homeland employees was to ensure they had adequate training. "They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said. Employees required a supervisor's approval and at least 24 hours of disaster training in Maryland, Florida or Georgia. "You must be physically able to work in a disaster area without refrigeration for medications and have the ability to work in the outdoors all day," Brown wrote. The same day Brown wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments. Brown said it was vital to coordinate fire and rescue efforts. Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. The president of the Air Transport Association, James May, said the Homeland Security Department called then to ask if the group could participate in an airlift for refugees. ___ The storm had passed by Tuesday evening. Kelly tried to defuse any sense that he had been criticizing the President. "The President and Secretary of Defense did authorize us to act right away and are not to blame on this end," he remarked. "Yes, we have to wait for authorization, but it was given in a timely manner." On Tuesday Aug. 30, the Pentagon also announced it would send five ships to the disaster zone, though some were several days away. This appears to be somewhat different from Kelly's initial assessment that search and rescue could begin "almost immediately." On Wednesday, military transport planes began to carry some wounded to Houston. Full relief supplies did not arrive in New Orleans until Friday -- some three days after Kelly says they were authorized by President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld. As many as 10,000 may be dead in the wake of the storm. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge > Ram". > > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. > > > > I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from > the > > north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being > > slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought > > back from the south. I certainly would have. > > > > As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern > entrances > > would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's > where > > the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a > > southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason > there's > > no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the > > invention of the telescope. > > > > Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung > on > > something tangible like direction or a visible planet. > > > > > In fact, I can't find anyone who knows the answer to the question: > should we reversethe roles of North and South in SV when dealing with > buildings south of the Equator? > > Until I hear a definitive answer from the TMO, I reserve judgement on > how inflexable the SV interpretation is. I am not the TMO, but I have heard MMY and the TMO say without equivication that its still southern entrances in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Feds/36 Hours Too Late/ For Many...'
In a message dated 9/6/05 9:21:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: send them where, when? Into New Orleans on Tuesday or even Wednesday to start evacuation of the Dome and Convention center or even to bring food and water and to restore law and order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will > come" attitude about > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And > if both Governors and > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if > neither of those come, then > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to > invite refugees rather > than leave the place empty. It would be nice, but there will be no poor knee-grows from N'orleans in SV pundit housing. MMY is a racist and views Blacks as inferior beings. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
Yeah, right, 500 pundits in October. What a sack of lying shit. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether > he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He > said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might > move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. > So he said it was very > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both Governors and pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather than leave the place empty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very > science that later > > embraced them and much later found evidence for > them. > > > > The SV mythology does not arise from such an > evolution. Scientists > > do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the > sky explanation > > for how things work and test it rigorously. > > "Deva" is merely a place-holder word. You can > substitute any set of > scientific terms you want. Science, the methodology, > doesn't "care" > about terminology, only about results. No, you are completely wrong here. The explanatory concepts must make sense by having quantifiable properties (i.e., open to measurement) and not be simple metaphors or "placeholders". Placeholders for what, reality? > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the explanation. But of course as > soon as > > > > we enter the domain of "devas" we've got > problems > > > > Houston within a scientific paradigm. > > > > > > Because there are elements in the theory that > are not (yet) > > > observable? That does not seem to be a problem > for hard core > > science. > > > > > > Black holes were predicted by Einstein's (and > other's) work in the > > > early 20's but were not "observed", albeit > indirectly -- by > > > implication, for 60-70 years. String theory's 13 > dimensions have > > not > > > been observed, but a lot of high level physics > focuses on such. A > > > mechanism like DNA was postulated for some time, > but was not > > > "observed" until 1953. The Big Bang was not > observed, but its a > > model > > > that fits the observable evidence. > > > > > > Why then should a model of energy / information > structures (aka > > devas) > > > that "explain" observed phenomenon be > rejected? I know that > > there is > > > "no" observed phenomenon yet, but if research > did show a SV > effect, > > > then a model of priordial energy / information > structures is > not > > so > > > wierd. And perhaps Science will then someday > actual "observe" > > these > > > energy / information structures. Stranger things > have happened in > > science. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Vastu really correct, or of value?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > > What specifically is wrong withthe approach? > > Ican > > > > thinkof plenty of > > > > issues, but what are you thinking of that makes > > this > > > > "junk science" > > > > ratherthan quick and dirty pilot study? > > > > > > Because the "quick and dirty" pilot study is never > > > used to justify a larger much more rigorous study. > > The > > > pilot study is touted about as a rigorous study by > > the > > > TMO. This becomes junk science, or more > > accurately, > > > cult science. Pilot studies are used to justify > > the > > > time and money spent on a rigorous study. Somebody > > > might look at health claims and deaths in people > > > living in SV housing and compare that to non-SV > > > housing in comparable neighborhoods and find that > > > there appears to be a statistically significant > > > difference between the two groups. That is a quick > > and > > > dirty pilot study. But for a rigorous study all > > other > > > variables that could influence death and sickness > > > rates (and there are many, many of these) need to > > be > > > held constant across the compared groups. This can > > be > > > done, but it would very time consuming and very > > > expensive and the TMO isn't interested in doing > > this. > > > They've got their "results" from the pilot study: > > > ergo, cult science. They are not interested in > > > discovering "fact", but in promoting their "cult". > > Too > > > bad! > > > > > > > That's true in this case, but we don't know what > > studies are on-going > > on SV. It can take years tog et something published > > via peer-review, > > especially something this controversial. > > Yes, you could be right. I hope good research is being > undertaken, but my bias makes me say, no studies are > being undertaken. At this point, I suspect that you are correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/6/05 9:02 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the > > 500 > >> pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > >> Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and > > that > >> Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it > > was very > >> unlikely it would be offered to refugees. > > > > ** > > > > Since the Fairfield area needs at most 4 or 5 governors to handle TM > > teaching duties in the region, what is it that these 495 surplus govs > > would do? If they're Purusha material, presumably they would already > > be in that group, which is a much more likely tenant of the trailer > > park since they only have 5 months till their time is up in Boone, and > > there is no news of any construction at their supposed home in Santa > > Cruz. > > My interpretation was that it has now become so odious to live in non-SV > housing that Governors everywhere will be encouraged to abandon their homes > and move to the Pundit housing. But that doesn't jibe with the pundits > coming in October, so I don't know what's going on. It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > > > bad by comparison. > > > > > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > I don't think that most of us can know for sure if Maharishi was > > or > > > is one of Guru Dev's most devoted followers. They only knowlege of > > his > > > relationship with Guru Dev comes from him. For most, that is enough, > > > but is it certain? We did not know Guru Dev or his teachings > > > directly. We have a few stories from Satyaanand, and Dr. Varma, but > > > that's about it. > > > > > > > We do know that mmy was Gurudev's right hand man, at least in public. > > No we don't really know this either -couple of pictures of Guru Dev > with Maharishi in the vicinity, and what Maharishi himself has said... > The recognized Shankaracharya (the one most here seem to prefer) referred to MMY as an ashram clerk. The rumor was that this clerk managed to conspire with a cook to kill Gurudev. AFter the will wasproduced, this clerk was so powerful as to get the first guy on the list proclaimed Shankaracharya overthe protestations (if you believe what everyone here appears to) liaterally everyother disciple of Gurudev besides MMY and the cook. > > We also know what others said about MMY, good and bad. > > Yup - we do know this... And you no doubt take everything you hear seriously, both good and bad... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Vastu really correct, or of value?
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > > What specifically is wrong withthe approach? > Ican > > > thinkof plenty of > > > issues, but what are you thinking of that makes > this > > > "junk science" > > > ratherthan quick and dirty pilot study? > > > > Because the "quick and dirty" pilot study is never > > used to justify a larger much more rigorous study. > The > > pilot study is touted about as a rigorous study by > the > > TMO. This becomes junk science, or more > accurately, > > cult science. Pilot studies are used to justify > the > > time and money spent on a rigorous study. Somebody > > might look at health claims and deaths in people > > living in SV housing and compare that to non-SV > > housing in comparable neighborhoods and find that > > there appears to be a statistically significant > > difference between the two groups. That is a quick > and > > dirty pilot study. But for a rigorous study all > other > > variables that could influence death and sickness > > rates (and there are many, many of these) need to > be > > held constant across the compared groups. This can > be > > done, but it would very time consuming and very > > expensive and the TMO isn't interested in doing > this. > > They've got their "results" from the pilot study: > > ergo, cult science. They are not interested in > > discovering "fact", but in promoting their "cult". > Too > > bad! > > > > That's true in this case, but we don't know what > studies are on-going > on SV. It can take years tog et something published > via peer-review, > especially something this controversial. Yes, you could be right. I hope good research is being undertaken, but my bias makes me say, no studies are being undertaken. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I believe it is time once more to remind everyone of > > MMY's opinion of Dubya: > > > > I got this from someone on Heavenly Mountain on > > September 1, 2001. > > > > Hi, any new news after this call on the future of the > > TM movement in America? > > > > Hi Friends, I have taken the time to transcribe these > > notes from a tape of a conference call for TM > > Governors, with the west coast regional coordinator. > > She speaks with Maharishi regularly. There is so much > > heavy, important information here, that I want to send > > it to all my friends. The first part consists of her > > verbatim notes when MMY was speaking, then the next > > part on a follow-up talk which may be more paraphrased > > (that's where it was stated that the demon Ravana is > > working through George W. Bush!) Very > > thought-provoking and helpful to see what Maharishi's > > attention is on these days. (any question mark means I > > am either not sure of the spelling or not sure I heard > > the word on the tape clearly.) > > > > Jai Guru Dev, Mary > > Thanks for this (I have a hard time reading it, but it's crazyness > is a good foundation for some of the current craziness). After reading > the verbatim part all I can say is - jesus... > > JohnY And yet, the man makes his point... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
on 9/6/05 9:02 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the > 500 >> pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the >> Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and > that >> Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it > was very >> unlikely it would be offered to refugees. > > ** > > Since the Fairfield area needs at most 4 or 5 governors to handle TM > teaching duties in the region, what is it that these 495 surplus govs > would do? If they're Purusha material, presumably they would already > be in that group, which is a much more likely tenant of the trailer > park since they only have 5 months till their time is up in Boone, and > there is no news of any construction at their supposed home in Santa > Cruz. My interpretation was that it has now become so odious to live in non-SV housing that Governors everywhere will be encouraged to abandon their homes and move to the Pundit housing. But that doesn't jibe with the pundits coming in October, so I don't know what's going on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Feds/36 Hours Too Late/ For Many...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/5/05 9:32:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Generals say they need at least 48 hours for military and it's up to > local > > and state to manage till they get there. Governor didn't call up > enough > > Louisiana National Guard from the get go. > > 3500 were mobilized monday morning... > > > > > Then why didn't the governor send them in? send them where, when? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > (Different paths may lead to > > > different peaks, but its all high altitude peaks and air with > similar > > > views.) > > > > Aha - so you *do* have a working assumption that these peaks all > exist > > in the same underlying universe. > > > > (A little quibble we had some months ago - you've probably forgotten) > > WHICH underlying universe? > > Modern Science deals with 4 meta-verses you know: > > 1) an infinite universe (if flat) where ANYTHING can happen; > 2) a many-worlds multi-universe where EVERYTHING happens; > 3) a meta-many-worlds multiverse where all possible universal constants > are manifest; > 4) a meta-meta-multiverse where any mathematically consistent > description ofthe universe exists. > > > _Number of the Beast_ by RH Heinlein discusses this last one. I do miss Heinlein... and it looks like 4 may be the one that shakes out... ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge Ram". > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. > > I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from the > north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being > slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought > back from the south. I certainly would have. > > As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern entrances > would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's where > the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a > southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason there's > no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the > invention of the telescope. > > Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung on > something tangible like direction or a visible planet. > In fact, I can't find anyone who knows the answer to the question: should we reversethe roles of North and South in SV when dealing with buildings south of the Equator? Until I hear a definitive answer from the TMO, I reserve judgement on how inflexable the SV interpretation is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > > bad by comparison. > > > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > > > Judy, > > > > I don't think that most of us can know for sure if Maharishi was > or > > is one of Guru Dev's most devoted followers. They only knowlege of > his > > relationship with Guru Dev comes from him. For most, that is enough, > > but is it certain? We did not know Guru Dev or his teachings > > directly. We have a few stories from Satyaanand, and Dr. Varma, but > > that's about it. > > > > We do know that mmy was Gurudev's right hand man, at least in public. No we don't really know this either -couple of pictures of Guru Dev with Maharishi in the vicinity, and what Maharishi himself has said... > We also know what others said about MMY, good and bad. Yup - we do know this... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The writer was assistant secretary of the > Treasury in the Reagan administration. > > Counterpunch > Weekend Edition > September 3 / 4, 2005 > > Failure on Every Front > Impeach Bush Now, Before More Die > By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS > > The raison d'etre of the Bush administration is war in the Middle > East in order to protect America from terrorism and to insure > America's oil supply. On both counts the Bush administration has > failed catastrophically. > Clinton's Administration failed to seek funds to fund the COngress- mandated evacuation plan for New Orleans in case of a Cat 3 landfall and/or levee failure. Bush continued the tradition. Not tosay that Bush's misshapen Son of FEMA isn't to be faulted here, just that there's plenty of blame dating back prior to 2000. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Different paths may lead to > > different peaks, but its all high altitude peaks and air with similar > > views.) > > Aha - so you *do* have a working assumption that these peaks all exist > in the same underlying universe. > > (A little quibble we had some months ago - you've probably forgotten) WHICH underlying universe? Modern Science deals with 4 meta-verses you know: 1) an infinite universe (if flat) where ANYTHING can happen; 2) a many-worlds multi-universe where EVERYTHING happens; 3) a meta-many-worlds multiverse where all possible universal constants are manifest; 4) a meta-meta-multiverse where any mathematically consistent description ofthe universe exists. _Number of the Beast_ by RH Heinlein discusses this last one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it was very > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. ** Since the Fairfield area needs at most 4 or 5 governors to handle TM teaching duties in the region, what is it that these 495 surplus govs would do? If they're Purusha material, presumably they would already be in that group, which is a much more likely tenant of the trailer park since they only have 5 months till their time is up in Boone, and there is no news of any construction at their supposed home in Santa Cruz. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe it is time once more to remind everyone of > MMY's opinion of Dubya: > > I got this from someone on Heavenly Mountain on > September 1, 2001. > > Hi, any new news after this call on the future of the > TM movement in America? > > Hi Friends, I have taken the time to transcribe these > notes from a tape of a conference call for TM > Governors, with the west coast regional coordinator. > She speaks with Maharishi regularly. There is so much > heavy, important information here, that I want to send > it to all my friends. The first part consists of her > verbatim notes when MMY was speaking, then the next > part on a follow-up talk which may be more paraphrased > (that's where it was stated that the demon Ravana is > working through George W. Bush!) Very > thought-provoking and helpful to see what Maharishi's > attention is on these days. (any question mark means I > am either not sure of the spelling or not sure I heard > the word on the tape clearly.) > > Jai Guru Dev, Mary Thanks for this (I have a hard time reading it, but it's crazyness is a good foundation for some of the current craziness). After reading the verbatim part all I can say is - jesus... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Vastu really correct, or of value?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > What specifically is wrong withthe approach? Ican > > thinkof plenty of > > issues, but what are you thinking of that makes this > > "junk science" > > ratherthan quick and dirty pilot study? > > Because the "quick and dirty" pilot study is never > used to justify a larger much more rigorous study. The > pilot study is touted about as a rigorous study by the > TMO. This becomes junk science, or more accurately, > cult science. Pilot studies are used to justify the > time and money spent on a rigorous study. Somebody > might look at health claims and deaths in people > living in SV housing and compare that to non-SV > housing in comparable neighborhoods and find that > there appears to be a statistically significant > difference between the two groups. That is a quick and > dirty pilot study. But for a rigorous study all other > variables that could influence death and sickness > rates (and there are many, many of these) need to be > held constant across the compared groups. This can be > done, but it would very time consuming and very > expensive and the TMO isn't interested in doing this. > They've got their "results" from the pilot study: > ergo, cult science. They are not interested in > discovering "fact", but in promoting their "cult". Too > bad! > That's true in this case, but we don't know what studies are on-going on SV. It can take years tog et something published via peer-review, especially something this controversial. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Feds/36 Hours Too Late/ For Many...'
In a message dated 9/5/05 9:32:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Generals say they need at least 48 hours for military and it's up to local > and state to manage till they get there. Governor didn't call up enough > Louisiana National Guard from the get go.3500 were mobilized monday morning... Then why didn't the governor send them in? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Vastu really correct, or of value?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Who funded the ME research? It can be done. DOn't > > know that a "real" > > > study will ever be done, but it could be. > > > > The TMO funded the research of course. Note that MMY > > pretty much > > squelched the whole idea of doing this kind of > > research anymore, > > starting with his comments to the press during John > > Hagelin's press > > conference announcing the marginally positive > > results of the > > Washington DC study (circa 1993?) So, without the > > backing of MMY to do > > research, none of any significance will probably > > ever be done. > > Unfortunately MMY did not like the results of the > research so he stopped it. Too bad. I think this > thinking on his part is also why the pundits never > show-up and we don't see large groups of TMO pundits > "creating" world peace through yagyas. He's concerned > that there will be no or very small results and he > doesn't want this. MMY might have the equivalent of a > BS in physics from an Indian university, but he > doesn't think like a Western scientist at all! His > thinking is very metaphoric. > > 1) MMY stopped the ME research, not all research; 2) I still recall that he has a grad degree, not an undergrad degree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A List of O'REILLY Lies even made Newt sick
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/06/ desperate_to_take_heat_off_bush_oreilly_lies_and_blames_the_poor.php Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] These are > empirical facts if the research is done right. Then > there are the explanatory concepts that either link > the empirical findings back into known science or a > new explanatory construct is created (such as in the > 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to > explain the findings. This, of course, is much more > difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do > with the 1% research. But the new construct must > attempt to link or bridge known science to the new > explanatory paradigm. The new construct must "make > sense" within a scientific zeitgeist. The new > explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a > metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk about > self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e., devas) > governing directional quadrants on a piece of property > is just a cultural belief from India. It is very, very > far away from explaining research findings that > haven't even been completed yet! I don't know where you learned your "scientific theory" but its just plain wrong. It doesn't cover such fundamental scientific theories as Newtonian Gravity for instance, which is what modern scientific thoguht is based on. / Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
IN all honesty, Ihave yet to hear an official TM explanation of SV that involved devas. Orientation to the sun is all Ihave heard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon > > as > > > we enter the domain of "devas" we've got problems > > > Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm > > > dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs > > in > > > the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And > > we > > > are very far from that right now! > > > > But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides > > a basis for quantification. From it we can > > construct > > testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes > > with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages > > than those in homes with entrances facing in other > > directions. > > I think two things are confounded here. There are the > empirical findings that correlate south facing > entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths, etc., > compared to north facing entranced homes. These are > empirical facts if the research is done right. Then > there are the explanatory concepts that either link > the empirical findings back into known science or a > new explanatory construct is created (such as in the > 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to > explain the findings. This, of course, is much more > difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do > with the 1% research. But the new construct must > attempt to link or bridge known science to the new > explanatory paradigm. The new construct must "make > sense" within a scientific zeitgeist. The new > explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a > metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk about > self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e., devas) > governing directional quadrants on a piece of property > is just a cultural belief from India. It is very, very > far away from explaining research findings that > haven't even been completed yet! > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Katrina- Lets get the timeline correct MDixon
BATON ROUGEToday Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco forwarded a letter to President Bush requesting that he declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. The full text of the letter follows: August 27, 2005 The President The White House Washington, D. C. Through: Regional Director FEMA Region VI 800 North Loop 288 Denton, Texas 76209 Dear Mr. President: Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina. In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan and the remainder of the state to support the State Special Needs and Sheltering Plan. Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. Preliminary estimates of the types and amount of emergency assistance needed under the Stafford Act, and emergency assistance from certain Federal agencies under other statutory authorities are tabulated in Enclosure A. The following information is furnished on the nature and amount of State and local resources that have been or will be used to alleviate the conditions of this emergency: Department of Social Services (DSS): Opening (3) Special Need Shelters (SNS) and establishing (3) on Standby. Department of Health and Hospitals (DHH): Opening (3) Shelters and establishing (3) on Standby. Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (OHSEP): Providing generators and support staff for SNS and Public Shelters. Louisiana State Police (LSP): Providing support for the phased evacuation of the coastal areas. Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (WLF): Supporting the evacuation of the affected population and preparing for Search and Rescue Missions. Mr. President Page Two August 27, 2005 Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development (DOTD): Coordinating traffic flow and management of the evacuations routes with local officials and the State of Mississippi. The following information is furnished on efforts and resources of other Federal agencies, which have been or will be used in responding to this incident: FEMA ERT-A Team en-route. I certify that for this emergency, the State and local governments will assume all applicable non-Federal share of costs required by the Stafford Act. I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property. (a) List any reasons State and local government cannot perform or contract for performance, (if applicable). (b) Specify the type of assistance requested. In accordance with 44 CFR § 206.208, the State of Louisiana agrees that it will, with respect to Direct Federal assistance: 1. Provide without cost to the United States all lands, easement, and rights-of-ways necessary to accomplish the approved work. 2. Hold and save the United States free from damages due to the requested work, and shall indemnify the Federal Government against any claims arising from such work; 3. Provide reimbursement to FEMA for the non-Federal share of the cost of such work in accordance with the provisions of the FEMA-State Agreement; and 4. Assist the performing Federal agency in all support and local jurisdictional matters. In addition, I anticipate the need for debris removal, which poses an immediate threat to lives, public health, and safety. Pursuant to Sections 502 and 407 of the Stafford Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5192 & 5173, the State agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the United States of America for any claims arising from the removal of debris or wreckage for this disaster. The State agrees that debris
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Vastu really correct, or of value?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who funded the ME research? It can be done. DOn't know that a "real" > > study will ever be done, but it could be. > > The TMO funded the research of course. Note that MMY pretty much > squelched the whole idea of doing this kind of research anymore, > starting with his comments to the press during John Hagelin's press > conference announcing the marginally positive results of the > Washington DC study (circa 1993?) So, without the backing of MMY to do > research, none of any significance will probably ever be done. I don't think that "marginally positive results" is an accurate description. I think "overwhelmingly positive" is more accurate. "Damned lucky" comes to mind, also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides > > a basis for quantification. From it we can construct > > testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes > > with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages > > than those in homes with entrances facing in other > > directions. > > Yes but... > > You can do research that shows a correlation between factors, and even > gives an indication of which factors may be causal. This is important > preliminary research. But, when faced with overwhelming opposition to > your ideas due to their not fitting with mainstream paradigms, you > need to follow up this research with studies that demonstrate the > actual causal mechanisms for the results being observed. At this time, > no one has a clue how to study the causal relationship between devas > that can't be seen and anything else. So what "causes" gravity? You seem to think that science invoves "explanations" in some logical sense. All a scientific "explanations" is, is a prediction derived from theory rather than directly from any observations that led to the theory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > > bad by comparison. > > > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > > > I rarely read AMT and don't wish to dip into a discussion that I am > > not part of and that probably has a larger context and set of > arguments. > > > > However, my own observations: MMY from my earliest days of seeing > > him, 67, and ever since, emphasised NOT reading and seeing other > > teachers. To my surprise SSRS has made similar points, indicating > > it can cause confusion. He even says this is the meaning of > > Jesus's comment "I am the ONLY way" > > Minor quibble: I don't believe Jesus is recorded > as having said this, but rather just "I am the way." > It's subsequent Christian teaching that derives > "ONLY" from that assertion. > > Otherwise, nice post... I am the way, the truth and the light. No-one comes to the Father save by me (Me). > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the > 500 > > > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all > the > > > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, > and > > that > > > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it > > was very > > > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. > > > > i heard that they are flying plane loads out to various states. When > > one plane load heard they were going to Utah, the majority opted to > > get off the plane. > > > > Its occured to me that Fairfield may not be a big draw for those > > accustomed to Bourbon Street life. > > I'd guess very few of the evacuees are accustomed > to Bourbon Street life. ? Perhaps I am missing your point or you are missing mine. :) If evacuees chose to stay in shelters rather than go to Utah, they may make the same choice with regards to FF. Bourbon St was a metaphor for life in the Big Easy. it being preferable, even in a shelter, to the hiterlands. To quote Zell Miller (joke) "You do know what a metaphor is dont you?" From that great Chris Mathews exchange -- about Zell wishing for the glory days of dueling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yagna by Choice does use different mantras
YBC are doing a group yagya for Ganesh's birthday. The mantra I received to listen to and chant during the 3 days looks like nothing I've ever seen before. Nothing I received from Ben Collins, read in the ... Mantra series of books or heard from Billy Smith. These people aren't kidding. There is a difference. I reported before the power of the Puja.net yagyas. Power as in flavors of awarenesss and lots of unstressing. But no palpable results afterwards. I've definitely been feeling the flavors of awareness and purification from the two group yagyas BYC are performing. 'Twould be interesting if I actually see tangible results from this group yagya. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it was very > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. How very interesting. Yagna by Choice are doing a special 3 day yagya for the safe passage of both the departed and the survivors of the hurricane. I am unhappy that the French Quarter was not destroyed but happy that Houston will be picking up much of the shipping and other business NOLA lost. There is still hope that the French Quarter will be destroyed. The hurrican season is not over yet. I am very sorry for the suffering and loss the people of NOLA suffered, even though my politics are straight out of the Aryan Nation. Nonetheless I spent Sunday at the two major facilities Austin has set aside for the refuges as a volunteer. I've been speaking with apartment managers on East Riverside about the possibility of paying the rent and living expenses for one refuge family. Charity begins at home, not with the top heavy Red Cross or the Salvation Army, which army here and elsewhere I believe wants our homeless to stay just that as much as Dell wants us to buy PCs. Of course why should we expect VC to offer anything? Some of you were the very Governors and Ministers of the Age of Enlightenment who treated the likes of me (and my doctor and lawyer and business owner friends) as merely sources of funds and scorn. Which ones of you were with the "Course Office" and who made me stay in a motel and do program there for a few days after flying all the way from Anchorage to Des Moines while I got yet one more reference (during Christmas?) before being admitted on the WPA I had already been told I'd been admitted on? Suddenly everyone here is charitable and caring? If you were part of the TMO, if you taught TM, there's a chance you were "only following orders" just like the officals at MUM and VC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and > that > > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it > was very > > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. > > i heard that they are flying plane loads out to various states. When > one plane load heard they were going to Utah, the majority opted to > get off the plane. > > Its occured to me that Fairfield may not be a big draw for those > accustomed to Bourbon Street life. I'd guess very few of the evacuees are accustomed to Bourbon Street life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > bad by comparison. > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > Judy, > > I don't think that most of us can know for sure if Maharishi was or > is one of Guru Dev's most devoted followers. They only knowlege of his > relationship with Guru Dev comes from him. For most, that is enough, > but is it certain? We did not know Guru Dev or his teachings > directly. We have a few stories from Satyaanand, and Dr. Varma, but > that's about it. > We do know that mmy was Gurudev's right hand man, at least in public. We also know what others said about MMY, good and bad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later > embraced them and much later found evidence for them. > > The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists > do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the sky explanation > for how things work and test it rigorously. "Deva" is merely a place-holder word. You can substitute any set of scientific terms you want. Science, the methodology, doesn't "care" about terminology, only about results. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as > > > we enter the domain of "devas" we've got problems > > > Houston within a scientific paradigm. > > > > Because there are elements in the theory that are not (yet) > > observable? That does not seem to be a problem for hard core > science. > > > > Black holes were predicted by Einstein's (and other's) work in the > > early 20's but were not "observed", albeit indirectly -- by > > implication, for 60-70 years. String theory's 13 dimensions have > not > > been observed, but a lot of high level physics focuses on such. A > > mechanism like DNA was postulated for some time, but was not > > "observed" until 1953. The Big Bang was not observed, but its a > model > > that fits the observable evidence. > > > > Why then should a model of energy / information structures (aka > devas) > > that "explain" observed phenomenon be rejected? I know that > there is > > "no" observed phenomenon yet, but if research did show a SV effect, > > then a model of priordial energy / information structures is not > so > > wierd. And perhaps Science will then someday actual "observe" > these > > energy / information structures. Stranger things have happened in > science. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Impeach Bush Before More Die
I believe it is time once more to remind everyone of MMY's opinion of Dubya: I got this from someone on Heavenly Mountain on September 1, 2001. Hi, any new news after this call on the future of the TM movement in America? Hi Friends, I have taken the time to transcribe these notes from a tape of a conference call for TM Governors, with the west coast regional coordinator. She speaks with Maharishi regularly. There is so much heavy, important information here, that I want to send it to all my friends. The first part consists of her verbatim notes when MMY was speaking, then the next part on a follow-up talk which may be more paraphrased (that's where it was stated that the demon Ravana is working through George W. Bush!) Very thought-provoking and helpful to see what Maharishi's attention is on these days. (any question mark means I am either not sure of the spelling or not sure I heard the word on the tape clearly.) Jai Guru Dev, Mary Jai Guru Dev. This is probably one of the largest governor meetings that's been held in a long time, outside of a course She wants to start by thanking each and every one of you who has joined this call tonight. Many have been viewing the MOU channel daily, so are very aware of Maharishi's displeasure with NATO and "bombing for peace". Now we are hearing more the negative repercussions from around the world directed at the attitude, behavior, and positioning of the United States. Curt and Christie Kleinschnitz gave a report on the Maharishi Vedic Center project. Maharishi approved it as a very good plan, he just wanted us to reduce the cost so more can be built. After the Kleinschnitz couple reviewed for Maharishi the plan of rebuilding the whole country in accordance with Stapathya Veda principles, including their idea to apply for some federal Foundation funds to help with this, here are MMY's comments on the real situation in the U.S. today: "The president is destroying the foundation of the world. Tell them that you are a Foundation for the good of the people. We are trying to create coherence in society. He (referring to the president) is even more violent than Hitler. (The regional coordinator makes a comment here that what he meant is that the potential for what Bush could do is more violent than what Hitler did during WWII). A new Rakshasa in America. He could destroy the world, and he may. It is good that the money stays in the bank, and we ascend to Heaven. We want to counteract these actions. Don't waste time asking for funds. The governors had intended to apply for some U.S. Govt. grants for their project) Waste of time! We are powerful. We will not take bad money. Whether the world comes or goes, we maintain our dignity. Don't waste time by asking for funds and all this, and go by your regular business procedures. Waste of time. We are powerful, and we don't have to beg money from those people. It is this begging for money that I dislike. So whether the world continues breathing or stops breathing, but it is not our dignity to ask for money here and there. We just stand (?) the whole thing and maintain our dignity. Write them (the Foundation) but with an authority. Begging them for money and all that - NO! You say that today, we are telling you that your money will remain in the bank, and the banks will be going to Heaven. Use authority with them. Some things we needed to ask from them for 10 years, to get some money. No, no. Three years, try to save your life, and we have the authority to give the license to live. With authority, with authority, with boldness, openness say, 'Your country is going to go, and you should save your money for your own life.' (At this point, Curt Kleinschnitz very quietly said, 'Not very many people write them letters to that point, Maharishi.') Maharishi said: Write them, that we are inviting you to continue to breathe life on Earth because your president is putting you on fire. That we are a charitable organization. We invite you to continue to breathe life. Otherwise all your charitable foundations and charity and this, the whole thing doesn't mean a thing. Take them with charitable things and say that they are alive in the world. Save your life. This is very bad. There's a very bad opposition in Europe. Everywhere he (president Bush) went, but it doesn't matter. Even if he is honored in Europe, he is going to eat up life for the world, that's all. We are doing our things. We are doing, we are propagating these things, jyotish and all those things that we have on the market. Only I was trying to make every aspect of our undertaking to be more effective. I want it to be more effective. In 3 or 4 days I'll inform you what to do about the whole thing. But whatever we are doing, it's not enough to save the world. It is never enough to save the world. 10-20 people here and there, and giving this lecture and gathering that people and all, no, it won't help the world. It's a big world of ours. We have to do something with more wak
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
Of course, MMY identified himself as a renegade [reformer] from the very start, so the fact that his teachings weren't always in resonance with Gurudev's shouldn't be a surprise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha, thanks for your feedback about my work etc. Incidentally, > when the topic of why MMY does not publish his guru's teachings > arose, I was asked as to why I thought this was. At the time I had > not one idea about it. But I thought about it for a while and offered > that the most likely reason was that by comparison, people would see > Guru Dev as a real 'guru'. After multiple hours of attempting to > unlock the words of Guru Dev I still think this is true. But there is > obviously another reason, of which I was then unaware. That the > teachings, in places, are divergent to those of MMY. > > I tend to agree with you about mixing and matching generally, if one > has a guru it is best to stick with them. But isn't it usual to be > able to coexist with those in a parampara lineage of teachers? > Actually, I suggest that it is extremely unlikely that the teachings > of Guru Dev differed significantly from those of his teacher since > they are certainly in complete conformity with those of Adi > Shankaracharya. Whether or not one resonates with the published > teachings of Guru Dev, in every aspect he was the epitomy of a guru, > and the personification of Hinduism. To me he was the living > embodiment of his own words which were frequently those of the > scriptures he revered. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > > bad by comparison. > > > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > > > I rarely read AMT and don't wish to dip into a discussion that I am > > not part of and that probably has a larger context and set of > arguments. > > > > However, my own observations: MMY from my earliest days of seeing > him, > > 67, and ever since, emphasised NOT reading and seeing other > teachers. > > To my surprise SSRS has made similar points, indicating it can cause > > confusion. He even says this is the meaning of Jesus's comment "I > am > > the ONLY way" and is applicable to all teachers. If you follow a > > teacher, they offer an integrated package, internally consistant, > that > > will get you to the "goal". While the parts of each program are > > internally consistant, they are not inter-program exchangable and > > consistant. They may conflict. Thus, on an itner-program basis, each > > component is not necessarily internally consistant and a hodge- podge > > chinese menu, a la carte menu of practices, drawn across various > > teachers' offerings, is not productive, for the most part. Or at > least > > not "supported", not tested, and not "guaranteed". > > > > MMY once said that the Veda is so vast that any statement could be > > made that is consistent with the Veda. As will be its opposite. Thus > > it is not hard to see that taking one angle, an internally > consistent > > system can be created. And taking another angle, a different, but > > valid system can also be created. Sort of parallel to Euclidean and > > non-Euclidean geometries. Though each of them are "correct", their > > parts are not interchangable. > > > > SBS is a different teacher that MMY. I don't think MMY ever claimed > to > > be teaching everything SBS taught. Indeed he has said he is not. MMY > > has his own angle of teaching. And SBS did not teach exactly the > same > > package as his teacher Krishanand, I presume. And each disciple of > SBS > > does not teach the same package. > > > > The key thing that teachers pass down to their students is the full > > light of Consciousness. Each student in the full light of > > Consciousness, and given their propensities and inclinations > (perhaps > > as detailed by jyotish chart), their total training -- from all > > teachers, their past life experience, the needs and karmas of their > > students, the needs of the time, etc, derive an integrated, > internally > > consistent, sadhana that fits them and the t
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, I see. I jumped into this conversation without having read any > of its preamble. I thought you wanted to know how SV justifies > itself. What I gave you is from the mythology that comes with the > Vastu package prior to its adoption by MMY. On the other hand, it is > a reasonable first place to look for an explanation. Why would > anyone else have a justification for it all. > > So scientific research on SV, if it occurs at all, will be stuck in > the realm of correlation of results rather than being able to focus > on demonstration of causality. Much like the limitations of TM > research. You can't talk about "causality" until you've demonstrated correlation, and what makes you think that there aren't more involved theories of the physiology of TM kicking around? Do you read post-PhD level stuff on neuroscience? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as > > we enter the domain of "devas" we've got problems > > Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm > > dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in > > the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And we > > are very far from that right now! > > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Something along the following lines: > > > > > > A piece of land gets arbitrarily separated from > > > everything else by > > > some human being who puts a fence around it. Having > > > done this, that > > > property gets divided on a grid such that different > > > squares on the > > > grid are "governed" by different devas. Why this > > > should be the case, > > > I don't know. > > > > > The entries into the building on the property will > > > sit on top of > > > these abstract squares and therefore be under the > > > influence of one > > > or more of these devas. Having a southern entrance > > > will increase > > > problems in the direction of death because the devas > > > that hang out > > > on that side are Yama (god of death) and other > > > related henchmen. > > > Just what the devas are that hang out on the north > > > side, I don't > > > know. But they are supposed to support prosperity > > > and having > > > children, I think. The devas on the east side are > > > supposed to > > > support spiritual growth. > > > > > > Incidentally, Keith Wallace recently told the MUM > > > students the > > > official explanation for the following change of > > > policy. In the > > > past, the teacher always faced east in the > > > classroom, while the > > > students faced west. The logic was that the teacher > > > needed to be the > > > most coherent person present, being the one that > > > everyone was paying > > > attention to, and facing east produced the most > > > coherence. Now, the > > > policy is reversed. The logic is that it makes no > > > difference which > > > direction someone who is enlightened faces, but it > > > matters for those > > > who are not. The implication is that the faculty of > > > MUM are all > > > enlightened, while the students are not. > > > > > > So why all this emphasis on SV in the first place? > > > Why not just > > > focus on the enlightenment of individuals as in the > > > original plan. > > > It might have been more successful at transforming > > > the world than > > > all these impersonal plans to save humanity that > > > seem to go nowhere. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me what is the vedic reasoning > > > > behind why a northern facing entrance to a > > > building > > > > lowers the crime rate, sickness, etc. of those > > > living > > > > in such a building? Can a functional hypothesis > > > even > > > > be created that makes rational sense? Also, you > > > will > > > > be fined 12 points if the term "natural law" comes > > > up > > > > in your answer! Please use the term, IUWEROQWF, > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > > relief effort. > > > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ~--> > > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > > Yahoo! your home page > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > > > -- - > -~-> > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as > we enter the domain of "devas" we've got problems > Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm > dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in > the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And we > are very far from that right now! Actually, it doesn't matter if a scientific theory "hangs in the air." Gravity is the ultimate "hangs i nthe air" theory and in fact, gravitational theory launched modern scientific thought specifically BECAUSE it "hangs in the air." In other words, there's no theory to "explain" gravitation besides gravitation, whether you're talking Newtonian or Einstein's General Relativity: they "hang in the air" by themselves with no relationship to the rest of physics that we can come up with. That was Newton's REAL contribution to science: science doesn't need "first causes," but only needs to make testable predictions. If the Deva Theory of Vastu makes testable (falsifiable) predictions, then its at least potentially scientific. If the predictions turn out to have somesemblence of correctness, so much the better. If someone were willing to modify the Deva Theory of Vastu based on testing, than it would BE scientific. I'm not holding my breath about this last stage, however. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like the Lesbian theory of "many peaks"... :-) Yes, vedic scholar David Lynch's depiction of such occurred to me when I wrote that. Though the L Word does a good job too. Do you think David is secretly behind that series? Think he will host a symposium on vedic lesbianism in Vldrop? LBS can be the moderator. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I am open to the LBSian theory of many paths, many peaks. I am open to > > the possibility that, at some point, the peaks are a distinction > > without a meaningful difference. > > > > Any way, a foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and > that > > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it > was very unlikely it would be offered to refugees. > > > We got somethin' we both know it > We don't talk too much about it > Yeah it ain't no real big secret all the same > Somehow we get around it > Listen it don't really matter to me baby > You believe what you want to believe > You see you don't have to live like a refugee > > Somewhere, somehow somebody > Must have kicked you around some > Tell me why you wanna lay there > And revel in your abandon > Listen it don't make no difference to me baby > Everybody's had to fight to be free > You see you don't have to live like a refugee > Now baby you don't have to live like a refugee You and me we were the pretenders We let it all slip away In the end what you don't surrender Well the world just strips away Girl, ain't no kindness in the face of strangers Ain't gonna find no miracles here Well you can wait on your blesses my darling I got a deal for you right here I ain't looking for praise or pity I ain't coming 'round searching for a crutch I just want someone to talk to And a little of that human touch Just a little of that human touch Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge Ram". > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. Um, perhaps there are some flaws in vedic logic and reasoning systems that can be argued. But to hold that they do not exist, simply means that such an observer is, um, "in the void". :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyaya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
I like the Lesbian theory of "many peaks"... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am open to the LBSian theory of many paths, many peaks. I am open to > the possibility that, at some point, the peaks are a distinction > without a meaningful difference. > > Any way, a foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > It appears that the hard core Bush supporters, in the face of all of > > his failures, are very similar in mindset to those who professed the > > glories of Communism, even as the Soviet state was disintegrating. > > Such pure irony! > > > Huh? > > You attributing such to Roberts? > No, the hard core Bush supporters. Roberts obviously is not one of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: why do we pick on T(rue) B(elievers)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > -ditto > > it is one thing to post what you have heard, or believe etc, but > to go > > on and on as though you are the only one who knows the truth, > comes > > off as an ignorant "know it all". If you were really enlightened > > or "above it all" you wouldn't give a damn what anyone else > believes. > > Either you "know" the truth or you have some belief. Why is any > one > > belief here, any better than anyone elses? "my guru is better than > > yours" is immature and tiresome. I appreciate all the information, > but > > when it turns into personal slams, the appeal is lost. > > > > > > IT'S BECAUSE BELIEF ISN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH > TM!!! > > THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! > > And the TBers have MADE it into a belief/cult system. > > And that's why they are and SHOULD be "picked on". All of life is based on belief, that is the point. That is what I meant by the above, Either you "know" or you "believe". This is just a fact about life. I doubt that very many people really "know" the truth. You can point the finger at TMers saying how stupid they are to have some belief, however, everyone is in the same boat, only they just believe different things. That is what I meant, no one is any better off than anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Whether TBs believe Maharishi had sex or not, whether they > believe > > him > > > as their saviour, whether they want to keep giving money or not, > why > > > do we keep picking on them, hypothesizing what they would or > wouldn't > > > do if this that or the other thing occurs? > > > > > > It's like "listening" to a bunch of geriatric ladies sitting on > > > benches cackling with nothing nice to say, as if the only thing > they > > > have left are vitriolic memories they must spew. > > > > > > Leave the TBs alone and find something more useful to do with > your > > > time-take a walk, love your so, play an instrument, eat good > food. > > > > > > Is your life so much better for your belief's than theirs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
Yes, I can just see the thousands of Governors "who aren't in proper Vastu" flocking to a barren field of mud (or frozen mud, depending on the month) :-) NOT!!! As for Bob - I just cannot understand the mindset of someone who knowingly lies to try and separate people from their money, and does so repeatedly. Either that, or he must be smoking something pretty potent... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it was very > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that the hard core Bush supporters, in the face of all of > his failures, are very similar in mindset to those who professed the > glories of Communism, even as the Soviet state was disintegrating. > Such pure irony! Huh? You attributing such to Roberts? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The writer was assistant secretary of the > > Treasury in the Reagan administration. > > > > Counterpunch > > Weekend Edition > > September 3 / 4, 2005 > > > > Failure on Every Front > > Impeach Bush Now, Before More Die > > By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS > > > > The raison d'etre of the Bush administration is war in the Middle > > East in order to protect America from terrorism and to insure > > America's oil supply. On both counts the Bush administration has > > failed catastrophically. > > > > Bush's single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has > > compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest > > calamity in American history. The US has lost its largest and most > > strategic port, thousands of lives, and 80% of one of America's > most > > historic cities is under water. > > > > If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the > greatest > > terrorist success in history. > > > > Prior to 911, the Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that > New > > Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Congress authorized the > > Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) in order to > > protect the strategic port, the refineries, and the large > population. > > > > However, after 2003 the flow of funds to SELA were diverted to the > > war in Iraq. During 2004 and 2005 the New Orleans Times-Picayune > > published nine articles citing New Orleans' loss of hurricane > > protection to the war in Iraq. > > > > Every expert and newspapers as distant as Texas saw the New > Orleans > > catastrophe coming. But President Bush and his insane government > > preferred war in Iraq to protecting Americans at home. > > > > Bush's war left the Corps of Engineers only 20% of the funding to > > protect New Orleans from flooding from Lake Pontchartrain. On June > > 18, 2004, the Corps' project manager, Al Naomi, told the Times- > > Picayune: "the levees are sinking. If we don't get the money to > raise > > them, we can't stay ahead of the settlement." > > > > Despite the dire warnings delivered by the 2004 hurricane season, > the > > Bush administration made deep budget cuts for flood control and > > hurricane funding for New Orleans. The US Senate, alarmed at the > Bush > > administration's insanity, was planning to restore the funding for > > 2006. But now it is too late. Many multiples of the funding that > > would have saved the city now have to be spent to rescue it. > > > > Not content with leaving New Orleans unprotected, it took the Bush > > administration five days to get the remnants of the National Guard > > not serving in Iraq, along with desperately needed food and water, > to > > devastated New Orleans. This is the slowest emergency response by > the > > US government in modern times. By the time the Bush administration > > could organize any resources for New Orleans, many more people had > > died and the city was in total chaos. > > > > Despite the most dismal performance on record, Bush's Homeland > > Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, said on Thursday that the > Bush > > administration has done a "magnificent job." > > > > The on-the-scene mayor of New Orleans sees it > differently: "They're > > feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning and > people > > are dying." > > > > "They're thinking small man, and this is a major, major deal." > > > > It is a major deal, one that will affect Americans far beyond New > > Orleans. According to reports, 25% of our oil and gasoline comes > > through the New Orleans port and refineries, all out of > commission. > > Needed goods cannot be imported, and exports will plummet, > worsening > > an already disastrous deficit in the balance of trade. > > > > The increased cost of gasoline will soak up consumers' disposable > > incomes, with dire effects on consumer spending. US economic > growth > > will be siphoned off into higher energy costs. American lives far > > from New Orleans will be adversely affected. > > > > The destruction of New Orleans is the responsibility of the most > > incompetent government in American history and perhaps in all > > history. Americans are rapidly learning that they were deceived by > > the superpower hubris. The powerful US military cannot > successfully > > occupy Baghdad or control the road to the airport--and this > against > > an insurgency based in only 20% of the Iraqi population. Bush's > > pointless war has left Washington so pressed for money that the > > fede
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it was very > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. i heard that they are flying plane loads out to various states. When one plane load heard they were going to Utah, the majority opted to get off the plane. Its occured to me that Fairfield may not be a big draw for those accustomed to Bourbon Street life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it was very unlikely it would be offered to refugees. We got somethin' we both know it We don't talk too much about it Yeah it ain't no real big secret all the same Somehow we get around it Listen it don't really matter to me baby You believe what you want to believe You see you don't have to live like a refugee Somewhere, somehow somebody Must have kicked you around some Tell me why you wanna lay there And revel in your abandon Listen it don't make no difference to me baby Everybody's had to fight to be free You see you don't have to live like a refugee Now baby you don't have to live like a refugee Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Different paths may lead to > > different peaks, but its all high altitude peaks and air with similar > > views.) > > Aha - so you *do* have a working assumption that these peaks all exist in the same underlying universe. > > (A little quibble we had some months ago - you've probably forgotten) Not quite knowing who you are, its hard to recall. I am open to the LBSian theory of many paths, many peaks. I am open to the possibility that, at some point, the peaks are a distinction without a meaningful difference. Any way, a foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of those great words that you don't get to use too > often but it really captures your intent at times. Zeitgeist of theory. Many conceptual Gestalts. I said Gesundheit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
"Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge Ram". There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from the north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought back from the south. I certainly would have. As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern entrances would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's where the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason there's no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the invention of the telescope. Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung on something tangible like direction or a visible planet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Could someone tell me what is the vedic reasoning > > behind why a northern facing entrance to a building > > lowers the crime rate, sickness, etc. of those living > > in such a building? Can a functional hypothesis even > > be created that makes rational sense? Also, you will > > be fined 12 points if the term "natural law" comes up > > in your answer! Please use the term, IUWEROQWF, > > instead. > > > > The cultural answer isthat the invaders didn't like the guys who lived > south of them. > > The "scientific" answer is that having sunlight hit the entrance of > your building non-stop all day somehow effectsthe people who enter and > leave your building--maybe its too hot or blinding? > > IN the case of the old U of AZ student union entrance, with its south- > facing brick-encased alcove and 8-foot tall aluminum statue by the > door, no-one in their right mind would use the main entrance anyway. I > escorted John Hagelin around campus many years ago and commented that > we were going to use the main entrance just so he would get a "real" > idea what an Arizona summer was like. His comment on being hit by the > 150 degree temperature at the door was "Oh my." > > Very presidential of him, I thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides > > a basis for quantification. From it we can construct > > testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes > > with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages > > than those in homes with entrances facing in other > > directions. > > Yes but... > > You can do research that shows a correlation between factors, and even > gives an indication of which factors may be causal. This is important > preliminary research. But, when faced with overwhelming opposition to > your ideas due to their not fitting with mainstream paradigms, you > need to follow up this research with studies that demonstrate the > actual causal mechanisms for the results being observed. At this time, > no one has a clue how to study the causal relationship between devas > that can't be seen and anything else. I agree that a devic model -- even if cast as "intense energy and information structures" is not a good starting point. The first step is to actually produce some well designed, cleanly conducted and well analyzed research on SV showing some results. (Difficult as several have pointed out to get funding for such, but that, while difficult, is not an unsurmountable obstacle.) Positive results, may or may not occur. But if they did, a full blown explanatory model is not required to publish the results. They can be cast as anomalous, perhaps related to magnetic directional sensibilites of birds and some mammals. And the traditional explanation could be given -- with the acknowledgement that while empirically hard to fathom, such a tradional explanation may lead to intestigation of subtle energy and information strucutres. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that the hard core Bush supporters, in the face of all > of his failures, are very similar in mindset to those who professed > the glories of Communism, even as the Soviet state was > disintegrating. Such pure irony! Good observation. I honestly cannot envision the same thing happening on the left if it had been a Democratic president who had screwed up so badly in a situation like this. There'd be a nutso fringe (not on the far left but on the center left), no doubt, but it would be really small, and the rest of the left would explicitly repudiate it. On the other hand, maybe the criticism from the right in that case wouldn't be so harsh as it is now from the left, given the right's order of priorities. Hmm. Now I'm trying to think of a situation that a Democrat could screw up that would be the political mirror image of the Katrina disaster. Any ideas? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
Your history of science lecture is a all good and fine. I agree with the essentials of everything your wrote. Making a lot of good points does not however make a good counter to the two points in question. They are not relevant, per my view, of the two quesions at hand. 1) Elements or predictions of the model or hypothesis, need not "yet" be observable phenomenon (e.g. 13 dimensions of string theory) for the model to be useful, e.,g., after explaining observed phenomenon, they suggest or make testable predictions. (However, it is best if these model elements can themselves be observed someday -- a problem that string theory has. ) This first point came out of a discussion whereby a devic model was suggested to explain SV. Peter said this would be difficult to be accepted by science "until observed". While not disagreeing with his endpoint, I suggested that theoretical models often have components that are not "yet" observed when the theory is proposed and cited many examples from the history of science. A small yet important distinction. More specifically, the distinction I was making suggested that a model that proposes "energy and information intense structures" (aka devas) to explain SV effects should and would not be rejected out of hand just because the model itself involves some yet to be observed phenomenon (beyond the yet to be unobserved SV effects that it is trying to explain). The key is whether the primary effects are observed by rigorous studies. If they are, then the theory deserves a closer look. Per my point #1, you stated "But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the sky explanation for how things work and test it rigorously." OK, but a bit off the point. You are countering points I never made or disagreed with. Since the discussion was about explanatory models, I keyed on the one relevant point you made on this topic: how ideas for such explanatory models arise. Thus my point #2: 2) It doesn't matter from where the inspiration for a scientific model / hypthesis / explanation comes from -- it could come from a dream, an drugs, ritam, a thought experiment, OR from more traditional means. What matters is that the idea embodied in an explanatory model itself provides a reasonable explaination for results arising from rigorously conducted, well designed research. And that it provides a basis for further research by making predictions. You then decided to further ignore the points of the debate up to that point, and based on two sentences of contribution up to that point and proclaim THE new definition of the discussion "The question is not by what mental mechanisms scientists come up with new ideas. I was addressing what makes a particular set of ideas be considered worthwhile to follow up on." Ok, no one was arguing that, but if you want to make some points on it then fine. So if you want to argue these two points I was actually making, I would be happy to read your critique. I may be wrong and well welcome sound analysis of such. If you want to introduce some new points and point out their relevance to the disuccion, thats great. I simply suggest that a highly dismissive tone is not so consucive for such. If you would rather write a lot of well-written, yet irreleveant (to the points in question), summaries from the history of science, perhaps to demonstrated to us your knowledge of such, thats fine to. Just don't suggest you are effectively addresing the two points in question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > omg, I mean Akasha: > > You usually have very astute observations to make on FFL. In this > case, I am quite disappointed. The question is not by what mental > mechanisms scientists come up with new ideas. I was addressing what > makes a particular set of ideas be considered worthwhile to follow > up on. > > In the case of August Kekule, he was already a chemist. He was > exploring the question of the structure of the benzene molecule in > his waking hours because he considered the question to be > meaningful. Why? Because he knew that benzene existed as a chemical > and that there was a growing body of understanding of how chemicals > are made of molecules, which in turn are made of atoms. This was the > understanding that chemists had (still do). On the basis of that > understanding, his thought processes proceeded, some in waking some > in a dream. Why did he follow up on his dream? Because he knew on > the basis of all his preparation as a chemist and all his thought on > this particular topic, that he was on to a solution. > > In Einstein's case, it would be quite naïve to suppose that his > background in physics had nothing to do with the thought experiments > that he chose to make. For example, con
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
It appears that the hard core Bush supporters, in the face of all of his failures, are very similar in mindset to those who professed the glories of Communism, even as the Soviet state was disintegrating. Such pure irony! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The writer was assistant secretary of the > Treasury in the Reagan administration. > > Counterpunch > Weekend Edition > September 3 / 4, 2005 > > Failure on Every Front > Impeach Bush Now, Before More Die > By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS > > The raison d'etre of the Bush administration is war in the Middle > East in order to protect America from terrorism and to insure > America's oil supply. On both counts the Bush administration has > failed catastrophically. > > Bush's single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has > compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest > calamity in American history. The US has lost its largest and most > strategic port, thousands of lives, and 80% of one of America's most > historic cities is under water. > > If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest > terrorist success in history. > > Prior to 911, the Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that New > Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Congress authorized the > Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) in order to > protect the strategic port, the refineries, and the large population. > > However, after 2003 the flow of funds to SELA were diverted to the > war in Iraq. During 2004 and 2005 the New Orleans Times-Picayune > published nine articles citing New Orleans' loss of hurricane > protection to the war in Iraq. > > Every expert and newspapers as distant as Texas saw the New Orleans > catastrophe coming. But President Bush and his insane government > preferred war in Iraq to protecting Americans at home. > > Bush's war left the Corps of Engineers only 20% of the funding to > protect New Orleans from flooding from Lake Pontchartrain. On June > 18, 2004, the Corps' project manager, Al Naomi, told the Times- > Picayune: "the levees are sinking. If we don't get the money to raise > them, we can't stay ahead of the settlement." > > Despite the dire warnings delivered by the 2004 hurricane season, the > Bush administration made deep budget cuts for flood control and > hurricane funding for New Orleans. The US Senate, alarmed at the Bush > administration's insanity, was planning to restore the funding for > 2006. But now it is too late. Many multiples of the funding that > would have saved the city now have to be spent to rescue it. > > Not content with leaving New Orleans unprotected, it took the Bush > administration five days to get the remnants of the National Guard > not serving in Iraq, along with desperately needed food and water, to > devastated New Orleans. This is the slowest emergency response by the > US government in modern times. By the time the Bush administration > could organize any resources for New Orleans, many more people had > died and the city was in total chaos. > > Despite the most dismal performance on record, Bush's Homeland > Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, said on Thursday that the Bush > administration has done a "magnificent job." > > The on-the-scene mayor of New Orleans sees it differently: "They're > feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning and people > are dying." > > "They're thinking small man, and this is a major, major deal." > > It is a major deal, one that will affect Americans far beyond New > Orleans. According to reports, 25% of our oil and gasoline comes > through the New Orleans port and refineries, all out of commission. > Needed goods cannot be imported, and exports will plummet, worsening > an already disastrous deficit in the balance of trade. > > The increased cost of gasoline will soak up consumers' disposable > incomes, with dire effects on consumer spending. US economic growth > will be siphoned off into higher energy costs. American lives far > from New Orleans will be adversely affected. > > The destruction of New Orleans is the responsibility of the most > incompetent government in American history and perhaps in all > history. Americans are rapidly learning that they were deceived by > the superpower hubris. The powerful US military cannot successfully > occupy Baghdad or control the road to the airport--and this against > an insurgency based in only 20% of the Iraqi population. Bush's > pointless war has left Washington so pressed for money that the > federal government abandoned New Orleans to catastrophe. > > The Bush administration is damned by its gross incompetence. Bush has > squandered the lives and health of thousands of people. He has run > through hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars. He has lost > America's reputation and its allies. With barbaric torture and > destruction of our
[FairfieldLife] Impeach Bush Before More Die
The writer was assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. Counterpunch Weekend Edition September 3 / 4, 2005 Failure on Every Front Impeach Bush Now, Before More Die By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS The raison d'etre of the Bush administration is war in the Middle East in order to protect America from terrorism and to insure America's oil supply. On both counts the Bush administration has failed catastrophically. Bush's single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest calamity in American history. The US has lost its largest and most strategic port, thousands of lives, and 80% of one of America's most historic cities is under water. If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest terrorist success in history. Prior to 911, the Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) in order to protect the strategic port, the refineries, and the large population. However, after 2003 the flow of funds to SELA were diverted to the war in Iraq. During 2004 and 2005 the New Orleans Times-Picayune published nine articles citing New Orleans' loss of hurricane protection to the war in Iraq. Every expert and newspapers as distant as Texas saw the New Orleans catastrophe coming. But President Bush and his insane government preferred war in Iraq to protecting Americans at home. Bush's war left the Corps of Engineers only 20% of the funding to protect New Orleans from flooding from Lake Pontchartrain. On June 18, 2004, the Corps' project manager, Al Naomi, told the Times- Picayune: "the levees are sinking. If we don't get the money to raise them, we can't stay ahead of the settlement." Despite the dire warnings delivered by the 2004 hurricane season, the Bush administration made deep budget cuts for flood control and hurricane funding for New Orleans. The US Senate, alarmed at the Bush administration's insanity, was planning to restore the funding for 2006. But now it is too late. Many multiples of the funding that would have saved the city now have to be spent to rescue it. Not content with leaving New Orleans unprotected, it took the Bush administration five days to get the remnants of the National Guard not serving in Iraq, along with desperately needed food and water, to devastated New Orleans. This is the slowest emergency response by the US government in modern times. By the time the Bush administration could organize any resources for New Orleans, many more people had died and the city was in total chaos. Despite the most dismal performance on record, Bush's Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, said on Thursday that the Bush administration has done a "magnificent job." The on-the-scene mayor of New Orleans sees it differently: "They're feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning and people are dying." "They're thinking small man, and this is a major, major deal." It is a major deal, one that will affect Americans far beyond New Orleans. According to reports, 25% of our oil and gasoline comes through the New Orleans port and refineries, all out of commission. Needed goods cannot be imported, and exports will plummet, worsening an already disastrous deficit in the balance of trade. The increased cost of gasoline will soak up consumers' disposable incomes, with dire effects on consumer spending. US economic growth will be siphoned off into higher energy costs. American lives far from New Orleans will be adversely affected. The destruction of New Orleans is the responsibility of the most incompetent government in American history and perhaps in all history. Americans are rapidly learning that they were deceived by the superpower hubris. The powerful US military cannot successfully occupy Baghdad or control the road to the airport--and this against an insurgency based in only 20% of the Iraqi population. Bush's pointless war has left Washington so pressed for money that the federal government abandoned New Orleans to catastrophe. The Bush administration is damned by its gross incompetence. Bush has squandered the lives and health of thousands of people. He has run through hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars. He has lost America's reputation and its allies. With barbaric torture and destruction of our civil liberty, he has stripped America of its inherent goodness and morality. And now Bush has lost America's largest port and 25 percent of its oil supply. Why? Because Bush started a gratuitous war egged on by a claque of crazy neoconservatives who have sacrificed America's interests to their insane agenda. The neoconservatives have brought these disasters to all Americans, Democrat and Republican alike. Now they must he held accountable. Bush and his neoconservatives are guilty of criminal negligen
[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that > > > > > > > > the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the > > > > > > > > less time they've actually spent in his presence. > > > > > > > > Judy has never even been in the same room with the > > > > > > > > man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just disproved your own formula, because I've > > > > > > > *never* put MMY on an altar. The rest of your > > > > > > > rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any* > > > > > > > of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me. > > > > > > > Not one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, right, babe. That's why you couldn't > > > > > > bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions > > > > > > about whether you'd still have learned TM > > > > > > if the TM movement of today was the one you > > > > > > had run into 30 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Complete non sequitur, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than > > > > > yourself? > > > > > > > > Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer. > > > > And I think that everyone here knows that your > > > > answer, like theirs, would consist of one word, > > > > containing only two letters. > > > > > > > > The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter > > > > that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on > > > > which you have placed Maharishi. IMO, of course. > > > > > > And it's not that I want to "attack" Judy or "one-up" her...it's > > > because I truly believe that this sort of dialogue should be > > > happening in the TMO. And, to a certain extent, we on this > > > newsgroup are connected to the TMO and they could benefit from > that > > > dialogue. > > > > Yet you won't fulfill my simple request to explain > > the relevance of your question to what I had said in > > the post you were responding to. > > > > Shemp, I think everyone here realizes, despite your > > and Barry's best attempts at demonization, that I > > haven't answered your question because it was > > rhetorical, not a genuine request for information. > > > > Barry even suggests as much above when he says > > everybody knows what my answer would be. So both > > you and he are being disingenuous to pretend you > > think I "can't bring myself" to answer. > > > > You can't start a dialogue by stating a given and > > then insisting that folks accede to it. > > so prove me and him wrong by answering the fucking question... You didn't follow what I wrote. Read it again, please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
