[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: More loathsome than shooting them or strapping them to a bed and forcing them to take drugs? The things you mention are, obviously, loathsome. It's just that, in order for something to really work, there has to be some willingness from the participant. Jeff, you're still talking the practicality of making the imposed solution work. I'm still aghast at the people who would impose it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And if the Dalai Lama had been as quick to abandon his principles as Maharishi has been over the years, I'm sure that he (the Dalai Lama) would not be the laughingstock he is considered worldwide, whereas Maharishi is universally revered and respected. Good satire Turq. Good thot full comparison. I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East, and it is informative to hear people in reaction to Maharishi when you go other places. Very aware of his money grubbing TMorg aquisitive ways of the last couple of decades. But that MMY dropped off the radar screen generally and had become inconsequential. Past tense. I used to live in Santa Fe, New Mexico, a hotbed for *anything* spiritual or Newagey. So naturally there was a market for spiritual satire as well. Thus there was a short article that appeared in one of the papers there a few years ago that listed The Most Embarrassing Spiritual Teachers To Have To Admit You Studied With. It was pretty hilarious. Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. Most people do not know much of anything about FF or TM, mostly blank. Yup. *I* wouldn't have known anything about the neat aspects of Fairfield if it hadn't been for this group. But folks who do,they do want to know 'what is going on ??' in FF. Mostly appalled by what they know. But some intriqued by the pundit thing w/ lots of Associated Press articles in the last weeks provisioned by the TMorg pr-department. In travel I also visited with some folks from South Carolina who started an open silent group meditation this last year for folks generally, regardless of meditation. They have found it to be very powerful and well appreciated and attended. That's great to hear. I would imagine that their names are toast within the TM movement itself. Their comment is that of the folks generally who have been longterm practitioners of spiritual practice meditation, often it is the old tm-er's who kept at it. Lesser some buddhists. Folk's usual distillation is, MMY gave people a lot with TM but went corrupt somewhere. Oh well, so it is out in the world. And here in cyberspace...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Days of wine and yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/travel/escapes/15Yoga.html Interesting that one of the vintner sponsors is Deloach. They offered one of the best wine tastings I've ever been to in the U.S. Each of the six wines offered was a Deloach -- from the same year, same harvest, and same grape. The only difference was location, location, location -- each of the vintages came from a different physical area within their property. The amazing thing was that the result was as different as tasting wines from completely different producers. As distinctively different as night and day, and the only real difference was that one wine came from this hillside here, and the next came from another hillside over here, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another damn Roo on Letterman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another damn Roo on Letterman http://tinyurl.com/ybv3ax Howard in a coca-cola-santa-costume?! Ain't that a bit like Max Weinberg eating Cold Turkey on a Boxing Day?
[FairfieldLife] Invincibility course changes?
I was looking at the IA website and noticed sweeping changes to the grants system, particularly that grants for people from outside the USA have been dropped completely. Does anyone know why this happened? Is it a case of more for the pundits? or is the money running out? Sorry if this has been discussed before and I've missed it. I've had a look at recent days and not seen anything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:20 PM, ffia1120 wrote: My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a devoted True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT affected by the coherence? He throws hissy fits, temper tantrums, spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines and complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. (This has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have known him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the dome twice a day seven days a week? Chunks of stress are breaking off his nervous system? Bhairitu has some interesting ideas on the particular type of mantras used in TM and how they can imbalance the physiology. I believe it's a very forward thinking (and possibly suffering-saving) idea that should be seriously considered. Mantra-science is a very precise science when it is used properly, but when it's doled out via a mere list, it can be dangerous. I mean this in no way to degrade the use of mantra in meditation--I think it's a great thing--but it needs to be done properly. There a number of gurus who feel that such methods can be given out en masse and those who are ready, get it, those who don't, well that's just too bad--like casting out handfuls of seed. Only some will actually grow into plants, the others will land on the wrong conditions and simply not make it. Hear, hear ! The TM expert Vaj is at it again.
[FairfieldLife] Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East, and it is informative to hear people in reaction to Maharishi when you go other places. This strikes me as an excellent exercise in the healthy mind challenging its own assumptions credo that distinguishes FFL from other TM-related sites and most of its participants from TBs. One of the things I think we all agree on is that if one bases one's opinion of Maharishi and TM *solely* on what one hears from *within* the TM movement, one gets a rather different picture than one would get if one examined feedback from a broader sampling within the larger spiritual community. One Web resource that is fun, although rather subjective, is Sarlo's Guru Rating Service at: http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm Its value (if it has one) is that it is a compilation of feedback from *lots* of different individuals and sources on various spiritual teachers, past and present. For each one (currently over 1500), Sarlo presents the teacher's basic path (A=Advaita, B=Buddhist, C=Channels/New Age, D=Devotional, E=Earth Medicine, F=Fringe, G=Gnostic/Scientific, H=Humour, I=Indian, L=Literature, M=Middle Path, N=Nonduals, O=Other/misc, P=Perennials, Q=Quasi-Christian, S=Sufi, T=Tibetan, X=Disappeared, Y=Yoga, Z=Zen), feedback he's received pro and con, a list of sympathetic and anti links, and an overall rating. His ratings are: *** = the greats, helping many ** 1/2 = limited, some handicaps, or maybe not yet full stature ** = very limited, narrow approach or ideology, or still developing * 1/2 = suspect but on balance positive * = suspect 1/2 = bogus, may have some value, who knows 0 = worse than bogus, no redeeming value Unrated = too new, old or retiring, not enough info, or a teacher type Just for fun, here's his entry on Maharishi (rating = *): Founder of Maharishi Thousand-Headed Purusha... Transcendental Meditation®... discovered the Constitution of the Universe... Yogic Flying to create supreme mind-body coordination in the individual and coherence in world consciousness... Absolute Theories of Government, Education, Health, and Defense to raise every area of life to perfection. Guru was Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Anti link is an ex-TM-teacher, talk of hypnosis, adverse reactions. Tripletalk, enormous money, but benefit of doubt. 2nd anti site into exposing myths.
[FairfieldLife] astrology of bad drivers
Had a car crash? It's all in the stars, study says Thursday December 14, 01:02 AM By Naomi Kim TORONTO, Dec 13 (Reuters Life!) - Never mind how careful you are behind the wheel or how long you've been driving, the signs of the zodiac may be bigger factors behind your ability to avoid car crashes -- or why you have too many. According to a study by InsuranceHotline.com, a Web site that quotes drivers on insurance rates, astrological signs are a significant factor in predicting car accidents. The study, which looked at 100,000 North American drivers' records from the past six years, puts Libras (born September 23-October 22) followed by Aquarians (January 20-February 18) as the worst offenders for tickets and accidents Leos (July 23-August 22) and then Geminis (May 21-June 20) were found to be the best overall. I was absolutely shocked by the results, said Lee Romanov, president of Toronto-based InsuranceHotline.com, who also wrote the book Car Carma which touches on the correlation between astrological signs and driving ability while doing the study. Romanov originally wanted to have some fun by examining astrological signs as a possible cause for the variance between insurance companies quoting high and low rates but didn't expect to find anything interesting. Now, changing postal codes is far less significant to me than drivers of certain astrological signs, she told Reuters on Wednesday. Even age, another variable for determining insurance rates, is less of a consideration to Romanov. The cutoff line for being considered a higher risk driver is 24 years of age; 25-year-olds are considered not-high risk. I'd rather get into a car with a 24-year-old Leo than a 25-year-old Aries, Romanov said. Leos, described along with the study results on InsuranceHotline.com/a10.html, are generous, and comfortable in sharing the roadway. Aries, on the other hand, have a 'me first' childlike nature that drives Aries into trouble. I wasn't believing in it before, said Romanov, but I would think twice before getting into a car with an Aries. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/14122006/80-132/car-crash-s-stars-study- says.html
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Places
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East... So where'd you go? :-) I'm serious, and think it would be a great topic for discussion. For what should be obvious reasons, given the title of the book I wrote, I'm into road trips. Pilgrimage to places of power or holy sites or just places that inspire the heck out of you for one reason or another is always of interest to me, and might be to others here. I've been a bit of a slacker in this respect myself lately. The most interesting spiritual road trips I've made were locally, for example to spend the night of a full moon in Cathar chateaux like Quéribus or Peyreperteuse, or to go hiking in power places like the Mer de rochers, or caving in the Grotte de Demoiselles. So what kinds of places did you visit, and what inspired you when you were there?
[FairfieldLife] Lawsuits to ban Harry Potter books from school libraries
Although this latest decision is sane, just another reminder that insanity runs rampant in America: http://tinyurl.com/trjhs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East, and it is informative to hear people in reaction to Maharishi when you go other places. This strikes me as an excellent exercise in the healthy mind challenging its own assumptions credo that distinguishes FFL from other TM-related sites and most of its participants from TBs. One of the things I think we all agree on is that if one bases one's opinion of Maharishi and TM *solely* on what one hears from *within* the TM movement, one gets a rather different picture than one would get if one examined feedback from a broader sampling within the larger spiritual community. One Web resource that is fun, although rather subjective, is Sarlo's Guru Rating Service at: http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm Very interesting site. Do read the About page and the Disclaimer page, and the links thereon, including one to a longish excerpt from Osho (Sarlo's guru) titled Why Gurus Criticize Each Other, a fascinating theory, in which Osho tells a story about Rumi: One day Jalaluddin Rumi took all his students, disciples and devotees to a field. That was his way to teach them things of the beyond, through the examples of the world. He was not a theoretician, he was a very practical man. The disciples were thinking, What could be the message, going to that faraway field... and why can't he say it here? But when they reached the field, they understood that they were wrong and he was right. The farmer seemed to be almost an insane man. He was digging a well in the field and he had already dug eight incomplete wells. He would go a few feet and then he would find that there was no water. Then he would start digging another well... and the same story was continued. He had destroyed the whole field and he had not yet found water. The master, Jalaluddin Rumi, told his disciples, Can you understand something? If this man had been total and had put his whole energy into only one well, he would have reached to the deepest sources of water long ago. But the way he is going he will destroy the whole field and he will never be able to make a single well. With so much effort he is simply destroying his own land, and getting more and more frustrated, disappointed: what kind of a desert has he purchased? It is not a desert, but one has to go deep to find the sources of water. He turned to his disciples and asked them, Are you going to follow this insane farmer? Sometimes on one path, sometimes on another path, sometimes listening to one, sometimes listening to another... you will collect much knowledge, but all that knowledge is simply junk, because it is not going to give you the enlightenment you were looking for. It is not going to lead you to the waters of eternal life. http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ycrit.htm snip Just for fun, here's his entry on Maharishi (rating = *): Founder of Maharishi Thousand-Headed Purusha... Transcendental Meditation®... discovered the Constitution of the Universe... Yogic Flying to create supreme mind-body coordination in the individual and coherence in world consciousness... Absolute Theories of Government, Education, Health, and Defense to raise every area of life to perfection. Guru was Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Anti link is an ex-TM-teacher, talk of hypnosis, adverse reactions. Tripletalk, enormous money, but benefit of doubt. 2nd anti site into exposing myths. FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuits to ban Harry Potter books from school libraries
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although this latest decision is sane, just another reminder that insanity runs rampant in America: http://tinyurl.com/trjhs Runs rampant may be just a *bit* of an exaggeration...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
On Dec 15, 2006, at 5:24 AM, nablusos108 wrote: Hear, hear ! The TM expert Vaj is at it again. Yeah I got my latest check so I had to write *something*.
[FairfieldLife] Pretty Big Dig
This is from 2003, so maybe y'all have seen it, but I hadn't; it's just glorious: http://bravofact.com/shorts/details.asp?projectID=2050
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 5:24 AM, nablusos108 wrote: Hear, hear ! The TM expert Vaj is at it again. Yeah I got my latest check so I had to write *something*. You got your check already? Bummer. I think they've held mine up until the hit squad completes its work on Jim and Nablus. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 5:20 PM, ffia1120 wrote: My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a devoted True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT affected by the coherence? He throws hissy fits, temper tantrums, spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines and complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. (This has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have known him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the dome twice a day seven days a week? But it is--just think of what he might be like if he *didn't* go. :) This guy doesn't happen to work at Lisco, does he? Sal No, he does not work for Lisco. I do feel sorry for him, though. It must be awfully hard to be walking around in that body.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:20 PM, ffia1120 wrote: My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a devoted True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT affected by the coherence? He throws hissy fits, temper tantrums, spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines and complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. (This has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have known him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the dome twice a day seven days a week? Chunks of stress are breaking off his nervous system? Bhairitu has some interesting ideas on the particular type of mantras used in TM and how they can imbalance the physiology. I believe it's a very forward thinking (and possibly suffering-saving) idea that should be seriously considered. Mantra-science is a very precise science when it is used properly, but when it's doled out via a mere list, it can be dangerous. I mean this in no way to degrade the use of mantra in meditation--I think it's a great thing--but it needs to be done properly. There a number of gurus who feel that such methods can be given out en masse and those who are ready, get it, those who don't, well that's just too bad--like casting out handfuls of seed. Only some will actually grow into plants, the others will land on the wrong conditions and simply not make it. Hear, hear ! The TM expert Vaj is at it again. So nablus, what's your take on this situation? How do you see it or understand it?
[FairfieldLife] India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322 Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down a bit. I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) ago on 60 Minutes. I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very low point... Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to put their attention on putting an end to this practice? I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us! I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here?
[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 5:24 AM, nablusos108 wrote: Hear, hear ! The TM expert Vaj is at it again. Yeah I got my latest check so I had to write *something*. You got your check already? Bummer. I think they've held mine up until the hit squad completes its work on Jim and Nablus. :-) What about Rory? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us! I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here? You're not missing anything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another damn Roo on Letterman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another damn Roo on Letterman http://tinyurl.com/ybv3ax Hey, at least he did NOT mention TM...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And if the Dalai Lama had been as quick to abandon his principles as Maharishi has been over the years, I'm sure that he (the Dalai Lama) would not be the laughingstock he is considered worldwide, whereas Maharishi is universally revered and respected. Good satire Turq. Good thot full comparison. I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East, and it is informative to hear people in reaction to Maharishi when you go other places. Very aware of his money grubbing TMorg aquisitive ways of the last couple of decades. But that MMY dropped off the radar screen generally and had become inconsequential. Past tense. I used to live in Santa Fe, New Mexico, a hotbed for *anything* spiritual or Newagey. So naturally there was a market for spiritual satire as well. Thus there was a short article that appeared in one of the papers there a few years ago that listed The Most Embarrassing Spiritual Teachers To Have To Admit You Studied With. It was pretty hilarious. Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. And, last election, more than half the country voted for GW Bush...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East, and it is informative to hear people in reaction to Maharishi when you go other places. This strikes me as an excellent exercise in the healthy mind challenging its own assumptions credo that distinguishes FFL from other TM-related sites and most of its participants from TBs. One of the things I think we all agree on is that if one bases one's opinion of Maharishi and TM *solely* on what one hears from *within* the TM movement, one gets a rather different picture than one would get if one examined feedback from a broader sampling within the larger spiritual community. One Web resource that is fun, although rather subjective, is Sarlo's Guru Rating Service at: http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm Very interesting site. Do read the About page and the Disclaimer page, and the links thereon, including one to a longish excerpt from Osho (Sarlo's guru) titled Why Gurus Criticize Each Other, a fascinating theory, in which Osho tells a story about Rumi: One day Jalaluddin Rumi took all his students, disciples and devotees to a field. That was his way to teach them things of the beyond, through the examples of the world. He was not a theoretician, he was a very practical man. The disciples were thinking, What could be the message, going to that faraway field... and why can't he say it here? But when they reached the field, they understood that they were wrong and he was right. The farmer seemed to be almost an insane man. He was digging a well in the field and he had already dug eight incomplete wells. He would go a few feet and then he would find that there was no water. Then he would start digging another well... and the same story was continued. He had destroyed the whole field and he had not yet found water. The master, Jalaluddin Rumi, told his disciples, Can you understand something? If this man had been total and had put his whole energy into only one well, he would have reached to the deepest sources of water long ago. But the way he is going he will destroy the whole field and he will never be able to make a single well. With so much effort he is simply destroying his own land, and getting more and more frustrated, disappointed: what kind of a desert has he purchased? It is not a desert, but one has to go deep to find the sources of water. He turned to his disciples and asked them, Are you going to follow this insane farmer? Sometimes on one path, sometimes on another path, sometimes listening to one, sometimes listening to another... you will collect much knowledge, but all that knowledge is simply junk, because it is not going to give you the enlightenment you were looking for. It is not going to lead you to the waters of eternal life. http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ycrit.htm snip Just for fun, here's his entry on Maharishi (rating = *): Founder of Maharishi Thousand-Headed Purusha... Transcendental Meditation®... discovered the Constitution of the Universe... Yogic Flying to create supreme mind-body coordination in the individual and coherence in world consciousness... Absolute Theories of Government, Education, Health, and Defense to raise every area of life to perfection. Guru was Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Anti link is an ex-TM-teacher, talk of hypnosis, adverse reactions. Tripletalk, enormous money, but benefit of doubt. 2nd anti site into exposing myths. FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it. Think that the second one is supported by a rival former TM teacher group in the UK.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincibility course changes?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at the IA website and noticed sweeping changes to the grants system, particularly that grants for people from outside the USA have been dropped completely. Does anyone know why this happened? Is it a case of more for the pundits? or is the money running out? Sorry if this has been discussed before and I've missed it. I've had a look at recent days and not seen anything. They were desperate to get the numbers up at the start, and now thy have 2000 pudits scheduled to be living there full-time. Why would they keep up with the out-of-country scholarships for non-pudits?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And if the Dalai Lama had been as quick to abandon his principles as Maharishi has been over the years, I'm sure that he (the Dalai Lama) would not be the laughingstock he is considered worldwide, whereas Maharishi is universally revered and respected. Good satire Turq. Good thot full comparison. I have been out traveling from FF to spiritual places out West and recently out East, and it is informative to hear people in reaction to Maharishi when you go other places. Very aware of his money grubbing TMorg aquisitive ways of the last couple of decades. But that MMY dropped off the radar screen generally and had become inconsequential. Past tense. I used to live in Santa Fe, New Mexico, a hotbed for *anything* spiritual or Newagey. So naturally there was a market for spiritual satire as well. Thus there was a short article that appeared in one of the papers there a few years ago that listed The Most Embarrassing Spiritual Teachers To Have To Admit You Studied With. It was pretty hilarious. Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. And, last election, more than half the country voted for GW Bush... So we can conclude the author mentioned above is a Republican. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322 Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down a bit. I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) ago on 60 Minutes. I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very low point... Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to put their attention on putting an end to this practice? I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us! I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here? The TMO has always cited the stock market as an easily trackable measure of general optimism and positivity, not because the state of the stock market is important in and of itself. In turn, rising optimism and positivity are seen to be characteristic of increasing coherence in mass consciousness, said coherence being the nature of enlightenment. Greater coherence in mass consciousness is expected to trickle down to help resolve specific problems in the world--of which, of course, there is a huge number. Focusing the pundits' attention on one specific problem might help solve *that* problem, but a general increase in coherence would presumably work on all the problems at once. So the latter is the priority. That's the theory, at any rate. Whether it's valid is another story. But it isn't a matter of filling the pockets of stockholders per se being of a higher priority than saving the lives of female children in India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Pathological.
[FairfieldLife] Nate Matt meet David Lunch (and a cow)
People are claiming that this was a contrived video. All I can say is: pretty cheesey, either way... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6zdE8qWj0 Got milk?
[FairfieldLife] Re: India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322 Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down a bit. I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) ago on 60 Minutes. I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very low point... Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to put their attention on putting an end to this practice? I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us! I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here? The TMO has always cited the stock market as an easily trackable measure of general optimism and positivity, not because the state of the stock market is important in and of itself. In turn, rising optimism and positivity are seen to be characteristic of increasing coherence in mass consciousness, said coherence being the nature of enlightenment. Greater coherence in mass consciousness is expected to trickle down to help resolve specific problems in the world--of which, of course, there is a huge number. Focusing the pundits' attention on one specific problem might help solve *that* problem, but a general increase in coherence would presumably work on all the problems at once. So the latter is the priority. That's the theory, at any rate. Whether it's valid is another story. But it isn't a matter of filling the pockets of stockholders per se being of a higher priority than saving the lives of female children in India. Also, the US is floundering about a war that is disrupting the world, not India. Bringing a fwe thousand pundits here to create coherence would have more effect on the world than keeping them in India since they already have plans for 20-40,000 pundits in India and are building the facilities for them. Not to mention that they've been trying to bring PUndits here for 2 years...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Ooops. Forgot proselytizing. M. is unique in that he uses scientific proselytizing and the circus tent revival thing has been replaced with a dome. Peace on earth, good will to men is replaced with coherence or super-radiance which will (according to their scientific tracts) eventually lead to world peace. Pat uses the Bible, esp. the NT (featuring Jesus), Mahesh uses the Bhagavad-gita in a commercial translation filled with references to the product and Krishna.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Ooops. Forgot proselytizing. M. is unique in that he uses scientific proselytizing and the circus tent revival thing has been replaced with a dome. Peace on earth, good will to men is replaced with coherence or super-radiance which will (according to their scientific tracts) eventually lead to world peace. Pat uses the Bible, esp. the NT (featuring Jesus), Mahesh uses the Bhagavad-gita in a commercial translation filled with references to the product and Krishna. Well, y'know, when all is said and done, MMY can at least claim that you can ATTEMPT to verify some of his claims objectively. YOU, on the other hand, have backed off and now say who cares? That's the standard response from religious people when their beliefs about reality are threatened by scientific investigation. Nothing wrong with being a religious person, but why should someone pay more attention towhat YOU have to say than to what some fundamentalist Christian has to say, regarding religious and spiritual beliefs and practices?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Ooops. Forgot proselytizing. M. is unique in that he uses scientific proselytizing and the circus tent revival thing has been replaced with a dome. Peace on earth, good will to men is replaced with coherence or super-radiance which will (according to their scientific tracts) eventually lead to world peace. Pat uses the Bible, esp. the NT (featuring Jesus), Mahesh uses the Bhagavad-gita in a commercial translation filled with references to the product and Krishna. Even more pathological.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Ooops. Forgot proselytizing. M. is unique in that he uses scientific proselytizing and the circus tent revival thing has been replaced with a dome. Peace on earth, good will to men is replaced with coherence or super-radiance which will (according to their scientific tracts) eventually lead to world peace. Pat uses the Bible, esp. the NT (featuring Jesus), Mahesh uses the Bhagavad-gita in a commercial translation filled with references to the product and Krishna. did you guys sleep with each other last night or something? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Ooops. Forgot proselytizing. M. is unique in that he uses scientific proselytizing and the circus tent revival thing has been replaced with a dome. Peace on earth, good will to men is replaced with coherence or super-radiance which will (according to their scientific tracts) eventually lead to world peace. Pat uses the Bible, esp. the NT (featuring Jesus), Mahesh uses the Bhagavad-gita in a commercial translation filled with references to the product and Krishna. Well, y'know, when all is said and done, MMY can at least claim that you can ATTEMPT to verify some of his claims objectively. YOU, on the other hand, have backed off and now say who cares? That's the standard response from religious people when their beliefs about reality are threatened by scientific investigation. Nothing wrong with being a religious person, but why should someone pay more attention towhat YOU have to say than to what some fundamentalist Christian has to say, regarding religious and spiritual beliefs and practices? Not to mention that entirely unlike with Pat Robertson, you can obtain the benefits of TM without paying the slightest attention to anything *any* religious person has to say (other than the instructions for practice, of course).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:53 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, y'know, when all is said and done, MMY can at least claim that you can ATTEMPT to verify some of his claims objectively. YOU, on the other hand, have backed off and now say who cares? That's the standard response from religious people when their beliefs about reality are threatened by scientific investigation. Nothing wrong with being a religious person, but why should someone pay more attention towhat YOU have to say than to what some fundamentalist Christian has to say, regarding religious and spiritual beliefs and practices? Actually the closer you look, the more similar they are. Research is being done on prayer. Instead of coherence and superradiance (laser physics terms IIRC) Pat uses laser-beam prayer and Prayer offensives. It all goes to show: know your market. For example the words prayer offensive may appeal more to gun owners and military types. Coherence (my personal fav) has more of a geek appeal.
[FairfieldLife] Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23
Vaj wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:20 PM, ffia1120 wrote: My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a devoted True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT affected by the coherence? He throws hissy fits, temper tantrums, spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines and complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. (This has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have known him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the dome twice a day seven days a week? Chunks of stress are breaking off his nervous system? Bhairitu has some interesting ideas on the particular type of mantras used in TM and how they can imbalance the physiology. I believe it's a very forward thinking (and possibly suffering-saving) idea that should be seriously considered. Mantra-science is a very precise science when it is used properly, but when it's doled out via a mere list, it can be dangerous. I mean this in no way to degrade the use of mantra in meditation--I think it's a great thing--but it needs to be done properly. There a number of gurus who feel that such methods can be given out en masse and those who are ready, get it, those who don't, well that's just too bad--like casting out handfuls of seed. Only some will actually grow into plants, the others will land on the wrong conditions and simply not make it. Basically in mantra science goddess mantras tend to be heating so they will have a tendency to increase pitta and vata (through dryness). According to my guru goddess mantras are not given out by most Indian gurus to the public. If they do then balancing mantras are often prescribed. This is well known in ayurveda. This guy may be too pitta (or vata). He should do something to balance this. Not only will he feel better but will have deeper meditations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:05 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Suffice it to say that the author felt it was considerably hipper to have studied with Rajneesh or Maharaj-Ji than Maharishi. MMY was in the same grouping as Pat Robertson. If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. Ooops. Forgot proselytizing. M. is unique in that he uses scientific proselytizing and the circus tent revival thing has been replaced with a dome. Peace on earth, good will to men is replaced with coherence or super-radiance which will (according to their scientific tracts) eventually lead to world peace. Pat uses the Bible, esp. the NT (featuring Jesus), Mahesh uses the Bhagavad-gita in a commercial translation filled with references to the product and Krishna. Well, y'know, when all is said and done, MMY can at least claim that you can ATTEMPT to verify some of his claims objectively. YOU, on the other hand, have backed off and now say who cares? That's the standard response from religious people when their beliefs about reality are threatened by scientific investigation. Nothing wrong with being a religious person, but why should someone pay more attention towhat YOU have to say than to what some fundamentalist Christian has to say, regarding religious and spiritual beliefs and practices? Not to mention that entirely unlike with Pat Robertson, you can obtain the benefits of TM without paying the slightest attention to anything *any* religious person has to say (other than the instructions for practice, of course). Dare I suggest that Pat Robertson is more credible than Vaj or Barry?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:53 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, y'know, when all is said and done, MMY can at least claim that you can ATTEMPT to verify some of his claims objectively. YOU, on the other hand, have backed off and now say who cares? That's the standard response from religious people when their beliefs about reality are threatened by scientific investigation. Nothing wrong with being a religious person, but why should someone pay more attention towhat YOU have to say than to what some fundamentalist Christian has to say, regarding religious and spiritual beliefs and practices? Actually the closer you look, the more similar they are. Research is being done on prayer. Instead of coherence and superradiance (laser physics terms IIRC) Pat uses laser-beam prayer and Prayer offensives. It all goes to show: know your market. For example the words prayer offensive may appeal more to gun owners and military types. Coherence (my personal fav) has more of a geek appeal. Yeah, Larry Domash and Brian Josephson consulted with marketing types about which PHysics term to use to target which non-existent margetting segment when they first came up with the idea and presented it to MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. Helps me. My son responds I would assume so. It doesn't hurt. Can be a might inconvenient at times [due to scheduling].
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
Before doing the Sidhis it DID, in that it was an easy, pleasant and relaxing experience during meditation. But it didn't have any impact outside meditation on what I considered my major LIFE problems at the time - especially in comparison with all those scientific studies that raised so many expectations. This led me to doubt my own competence in the practice particularly as I didn't think I'd ever reached transcendental CONSCIOUSNESS, although a sense of transcending ordinary surface thinking was a common experience then. The Sidhis created more self-consciousness and sense of competetiveness - never hopped, for instance, as didn't want any fake experience. This completely undermined the innocence during TM, which lead to very subtle straining - with disastrous consequences. To this day - over 25 years later - just CANNOT have easy meditations for more than a few days or weeks. Typically I don't think I'm straining anything but just get headaches and can't help finding this demoralising. No amount of checking sorted this out and generally felt that the TMO was only interested in success stories anyway. So I've had periods of not meditating followed by renewed attempts which end up being disappointing and short-lived, during which even the mild sense of transcending is a rare phenomenon. So if YOU are finding TM easy and relaxing just ENJOY it I saw recently a video posted on the net about Krishnamurti criticizing TM along with other meditations. He said we already have, as human beings, countless problems. Why add another - meditation? If it ends up being a problem for real, should one just GIVE UP or try and perservere? Philosophically it seems important to me, but practically and hence rationally it's like Krishnamurti said - an extra, unnecessary problem. I now wish I'd never come accross it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:33 PM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, Larry Domash and Brian Josephson consulted with marketing types about which PHysics term to use to target which non-existent margetting segment when they first came up with the idea and presented it to MMY. Probably trekkies :-).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:33 PM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, Larry Domash and Brian Josephson consulted with marketing types about which PHysics term to use to target which non-existent margetting segment when they first came up with the idea and presented it to MMY. Probably trekkies :-). I've never found trekkies to be coherent... Q: How do you tell a REAL trekkie? A: That's TREKKER, dammit!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before doing the Sidhis it DID, in that it was an easy, pleasant and relaxing experience during meditation. But it didn't have any impact outside meditation on what I considered my major LIFE problems at the time - especially in comparison with all those scientific studies that raised so many expectations. This led me to doubt my own competence in the practice particularly as I didn't think I'd ever reached transcendental CONSCIOUSNESS, although a sense of transcending ordinary surface thinking was a common experience then. The Sidhis created more self-consciousness and sense of competetiveness - never hopped, for instance, as didn't want any fake experience. That in itself is a fake experience. And Krishnamurti had less understanding of TM than Vaj has.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
You are not alone! I had headaches for years and years. Checking didn't help. MMY helped a little bit when he told me I had been straining for many years! (He actually found the whole thing rather funny considering I was a TM teacher). I finally decided that if I felt any head pain at all that I would just stop the mantra and sit there very easily until the pain left. This took a couple of weeks to get used to, but it certainly stopped any straining and the headaches left. One thing that helps prevent straining is asanas and pranayama done slowly and correctly before meditation. This helps the mind slow down and the senses start to withdraw before meditation. Much of straining is from a vata aggrivated mind with many thoughts that needs preparation before TM. Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Your option, ha! --- claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before doing the Sidhis it DID, in that it was an easy, pleasant and relaxing experience during meditation. But it didn't have any impact outside meditation on what I considered my major LIFE problems at the time - especially in comparison with all those scientific studies that raised so many expectations. This led me to doubt my own competence in the practice particularly as I didn't think I'd ever reached transcendental CONSCIOUSNESS, although a sense of transcending ordinary surface thinking was a common experience then. The Sidhis created more self-consciousness and sense of competetiveness - never hopped, for instance, as didn't want any fake experience. This completely undermined the innocence during TM, which lead to very subtle straining - with disastrous consequences. To this day - over 25 years later - just CANNOT have easy meditations for more than a few days or weeks. Typically I don't think I'm straining anything but just get headaches and can't help finding this demoralising. No amount of checking sorted this out and generally felt that the TMO was only interested in success stories anyway. So I've had periods of not meditating followed by renewed attempts which end up being disappointing and short-lived, during which even the mild sense of transcending is a rare phenomenon. So if YOU are finding TM easy and relaxing just ENJOY it I saw recently a video posted on the net about Krishnamurti criticizing TM along with other meditations. He said we already have, as human beings, countless problems. Why add another - meditation? If it ends up being a problem for real, should one just GIVE UP or try and perservere? Philosophically it seems important to me, but practically and hence rationally it's like Krishnamurti said - an extra, unnecessary problem. I now wish I'd never come accross it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
For me the TM technique along with the TM siddhi program utterly and completely transformed (that's a silly word because it implies some sort of connection between two states) consciousness from somebody to nobody and rising to be everybody as Brahman stitches Brahman back into itself. --- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me the TM technique along with the TM siddhi program utterly and completely transformed (that's a silly word because it implies some sort of connection between two states) consciousness from somebody to nobody and rising to be everybody as Brahman stitches Brahman back into itself. For me, the TM-Sidhis turned me into a frickin' loon. The scary part is, everyone else says I got better after I started them...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diabetes breakthrough
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is BIG. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html? id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bfk=63970 Too big. Use tinyurl... http://preview.tinyurl.com/yxo3bt
[FairfieldLife] 10 Worst Toys
Here are the 10 worst toys of all time. How many of you found them under the Christmas tree? http://www.radarmagazine.com/features/2006/12/toys.php
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diabetes breakthrough
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is BIG. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html? id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bfk=63970 Too big. Use tinyurl...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before doing the Sidhis it DID, in that it was an easy, pleasant and relaxing experience during meditation. But it didn't have any impact outside meditation on what I considered my major LIFE problems at the time - especially in comparison with all those scientific studies that raised so many expectations. This led me to doubt my own competence in the practice particularly as I didn't think I'd ever reached transcendental CONSCIOUSNESS, although a sense of transcending ordinary surface thinking was a common experience then. The Sidhis created more self-consciousness and sense of competetiveness - never hopped, for instance, as didn't want any fake experience. This completely undermined the innocence during TM, which lead to very subtle straining - with disastrous consequences. To this day - over 25 years later - just CANNOT have easy meditations for more than a few days or weeks. Typically I don't think I'm straining anything but just get headaches and can't help finding this demoralising. No amount of checking sorted this out and generally felt that the TMO was only interested in success stories anyway. So I've had periods of not meditating followed by renewed attempts which end up being disappointing and short-lived, during which even the mild sense of transcending is a rare phenomenon. So if YOU are finding TM easy and relaxing just ENJOY it I've been experimenting with various ideas during meditation, because, as I've told before, I noticed from the very beginning that thinking of my mantra during inhalation felt quite bad, especially in my head. One of the best ones of those ideas is based on a bit more literal interpretation of desha-bandhash cittasya. I'm not saying that's a correct interpretation, it just seems to work for me. I think it's a gift, sort of, to be able to meditate in TM-style exactly the way Maharishi teaches it. As a comparison, I think people who have perfect pitch, can't often understand, why other people can't hear the pitch of a sound very accurately, because for them perfect-pitchers it's totally natural.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Well said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Well said. Samadhi during TM becomes non-stop for the entire period once you are fully enlightened according to theory. That is, no-thought, no mantra, is the only state of the mind during TM, if you are fully enlightened. If someone isn't transcending (no-thought/no-mantra) for the entire meditation period, then they aren't fully matured in CC, by MMY's definition of the term.
[FairfieldLife] Re: India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322 Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down a bit. I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) ago on 60 Minutes. I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very low point... Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to put their attention on putting an end to this practice? I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us! I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here? The TMO has always cited the stock market as an easily trackable measure of general optimism and positivity, not because the state of the stock market is important in and of itself. In turn, rising optimism and positivity are seen to be characteristic of increasing coherence in mass consciousness, said coherence being the nature of enlightenment. Greater coherence in mass consciousness is expected to trickle down to help resolve specific problems in the world--of which, of course, there is a huge number. Focusing the pundits' attention on one specific problem might help solve *that* problem, but a general increase in coherence would presumably work on all the problems at once. So the latter is the priority. That's the theory, at any rate. Whether it's valid is another story. But it isn't a matter of filling the pockets of stockholders per se being of a higher priority than saving the lives of female children in India. I did not mean to imply that the movement thinks that filling the pockets of shareholders is more important. It's their selective choice of positive news stories as *proof* that TM is solving all the world's problems and the A of E is upon us. But who knows, maybe in India the movement does think of this as positive news. I wouldn't put anything past the TMO. I sent the article to all 5 Send Us Your Global Good News email addresses on the GGN web site. That made me feel *much* better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years
China also does it. Pakistan also does it. Bangladesh also does it. ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:13:04 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322 Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down a bit. I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) ago on 60 Minutes. I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very low point... Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to put their attention on putting an end to this practice? I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us! I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diabetes breakthrough
On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:28 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is BIG. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html? id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bfk=63970 Too big. Use tinyurl... http://preview.tinyurl.com/yxo3bt Even smaller, try: http://snipurl.com/150kv :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-)
Heh Heh, You say anybody is more credible than Vaj or Barry.?? Archer, Ned Wynn, coleman etc say, The old bat was seducing young women. I am not supporting Vaj or Barry, but see things in prespective. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:33:27 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-) Almost anybody is more credible than Vaj or Barry. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Well said. Samadhi during TM becomes non-stop for the entire period once you are fully enlightened according to theory. That is, no-thought, no mantra, is the only state of the mind during TM, if you are fully enlightened. If someone isn't transcending (no-thought/no-mantra) for the entire meditation period, then they aren't fully matured in CC, by MMY's definition of the term. Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not alone! I had headaches for years and years. Checking didn't help. MMY helped a little bit when he told me I had been straining for many years! (He actually found the whole thing rather funny considering I was a TM teacher). I finally decided that if I felt any head pain at all that I would just stop the mantra and sit there very easily until the pain left. I had a period during which meditation seemed like a big chore (no head pain, though). I finally discovered that my mantra had become much fainter than I thought it *could* be, and that I had been exerting very subtle effort to beef it up so I could be sure it was there. I had to decide I didn't *care* whether the mantra was there or not when I turned my attention to it before it became clear that it was indeed there, just vastly more abstract than I had realized. Checking hadn't helped, by the way; the effort didn't occur during checking, only when I was meditating on my own. If I were able to make any changes to the way TM is taught, I'd put more emphasis on just how faint the mantra can become (infinitely faint, according to MMY, as I found out *after* my problem was solved--I don't recall ever having heard this previously), or at least find some way to address it in the checking procedure. I have a sneaking suspicion quite a few people who seem to have subtle straining problems may simply not be aware of how faint the mantra can be. (Caveat: As most people here know, I'm not a TM teacher.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. More in the TM movement, more on the road. It's still more, and it still draws me. So I thank Maharishi for being the first person I ever ran into who managed to put it into words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Well said. Samadhi during TM becomes non-stop for the entire period once you are fully enlightened according to theory. That is, no-thought, no mantra, is the only state of the mind during TM, if you are fully enlightened. If someone isn't transcending (no-thought/no-mantra) for the entire meditation period, then they aren't fully matured in CC, by MMY's definition of the term. Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Sounds like a drag queen fashion show the way you've described it!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Well said. Samadhi during TM becomes non-stop for the entire period once you are fully enlightened according to theory. That is, no-thought, no mantra, is the only state of the mind during TM, if you are fully enlightened. If someone isn't transcending (no-thought/no-mantra) for the entire meditation period, then they aren't fully matured in CC, by MMY's definition of the term. Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Perhaps he believes this, or perhaps he never said this and you made that part up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Well said. Samadhi during TM becomes non-stop for the entire period once you are fully enlightened according to theory. That is, no-thought, no mantra, is the only state of the mind during TM, if you are fully enlightened. If someone isn't transcending (no-thought/no-mantra) for the entire meditation period, then they aren't fully matured in CC, by MMY's definition of the term. Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Sounds like a drag queen fashion show the way you've described it! Thanks to my gay friends in Chicago, I have actually seen a drag queen fashion show. I have also seen the Rajas in their regalia, at least on video. As theater and as reality, the drag queen fashion show wins hands-down. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. More in the TM movement, more on the road. It's still more, and it still draws me. So I thank Maharishi for being the first person I ever ran into who managed to put it into words. Barry you just blew my mind! Thank You! Also, you've lived in LA, Santa Fe, Paris, where else? I like the places you've chosen to live :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)? But how could anyone answer that? What the hell does more mean in this context save what you assume it does?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Sounds like a drag queen fashion show the way you've described it! Thanks to my gay friends in Chicago, I have actually seen a drag queen fashion show. I have also seen the Rajas in their regalia, at least on video. As theater and as reality, the drag queen fashion show wins hands-down. :-) Gives me an idea, if I could find some good A/V editing software- download some footage and produce a music video with the rajas and Maharishi- That could turn out well! Definitely a hard rock soundtrack is the way I'm seeing it- Rush, ZZ Top, who else? Santana a possibility...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Sounds like a drag queen fashion show the way you've described it! Thanks to my gay friends in Chicago, I have actually seen a drag queen fashion show. I have also seen the Rajas in their regalia, at least on video. As theater and as reality, the drag queen fashion show wins hands-down. :-) I'm sure with a lot better-looking guys too, I might add. Chicago has an amazing gay community, with a huge Gay Pride Parade every year. Got some great pictures at the few I went to. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Bad Santa
Friday Wall Street Journal http://tinyurl.com/vg74a There's all this forced cheer at Christmastime that we're all so sick of, so it makes sense that there's a rebellion, says Maud Lavin, editor of The Business of Holidays and professor of visual and critical arts at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. For Ms. Lavin, the idea of a Bad Santa evokes photos of children sitting on a mall employee's lap and crying hysterically in fear. Of all the things that were forced on us during the holidays, he's the one that could actually be scary. Mo Donahue, owner of Party Crashers Entertainment in Minneapolis, got the inspiration five years ago, when, in desperation, she hired an unfamiliar actor for a holiday party. He showed up in a sulky, unprofessional mood, and guests complained afterward that he wouldn't even say ho, ho, ho. They kept referring to him as this surly Santa, Ms. Donahue says. And I thought, 'That could be a really funny idea.' In 2002, Ms. Donahue began offering a Bad Santa for singing telegrams and party visits. It was slow to catch on the first year, she says, but since then about one-third of her Santa bookings each holiday season have been deliberately cranky characters. Her Bad Santa, whose services start at $110 for 15 minutes, sings Christmas carols with unprintable lyrics, breaks down in tears or perhaps throws gifts across the room. Clients decide ahead of time how shocking they want his behavior to be. The company also offers a trophy bride Mrs. Claus in a fur-trimmed red minidress and a blond wig. It has to be the right crowd, says Ms. Donahue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Then again, Maharishi believes that dressing his toadies in flowing white robes and Burger King crowns and walking them into the room to the sound of bagpipes impresses the hell outa world leaders worldwide and conjurs up images in them of the majesty of the great Vedic era. Sounds like a drag queen fashion show the way you've described it! Thanks to my gay friends in Chicago, I have actually seen a drag queen fashion show. I have also seen the Rajas in their regalia, at least on video. As theater and as reality, the drag queen fashion show wins hands-down. :-) Gives me an idea, if I could find some good A/V editing software- download some footage and produce a music video with the rajas and Maharishi- That could turn out well! Definitely a hard rock soundtrack is the way I'm seeing it- Rush, ZZ Top, who else? Santana a possibility... ZZ Top. Sharp Dressed Man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)? But how could anyone answer that? What the hell does more mean in this context save what you assume it does? Not sure what you're asking here. But I've never heard MMY use it the way Barry does (interesting and profound 'more' experiences).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Peter wrote: You are not alone! I had headaches for years and years. Checking didn't help. MMY helped a little bit when he told me I had been straining for many years! (He actually found the whole thing rather funny considering I was a TM teacher). I finally decided that if I felt any head pain at all that I would just stop the mantra and sit there very easily until the pain left. This took a couple of weeks to get used to, but it certainly stopped any straining and the headaches left. One thing that helps prevent straining is asanas and pranayama done slowly and correctly before meditation. This helps the mind slow down and the senses start to withdraw before meditation. Much of straining is from a vata aggrivated mind with many thoughts that needs preparation before TM. I've worked with over a dozen people over the years who had head pressure as we used to call it. In every case teaching them how to move energy with their basic female and male channels (and bring them into a balanced center) would stop the pressure and bring balance. It's called the microcosmic orbit. And yes, in some cases, it was straining or excessive wishing and hoping in their sitting practice that seemed to be the cause. There were also a number of people who would have severe, migraine like head pressure which would crescendo with bliss and then resolve, sadly, into depression. It was like they were ejaculating there ojas out their skulls. Other people had shakti which took a path exterior to the central channel. This was also helped by learning the microcosmic orbit. I can't recommend this technique enough for people with shakti issues--esp. before the channels begin to leak and/or shatter. Once that happens there is more serious danger. Doing *anything* in excess can aggravate vata and rounding can certainly do that. Once you screw up vata, it can knock everything else outta whack. The various types of guggul are also very helpful for vata issues--and they can remove the maligned doshas and ama slowly over a couple of months. There are also some alchemical medicines which work very well for shakti burnouts. Also, don't worry about not transcending. I only transcended clearly on my TTC and then it never occurred again until 12 years later where I transcended with my eyes open walking out of the dome while the mind was fully active. Then you realize that you have always been transcendent, completely outside of any relative measure. Then you will never transcend again because what comes and goes is the mind functioning and not the transcendent. So you get to have your transcendent with or without the mind. Your option, ha!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info
jstein wrote: Dance, Barry, dance! It's all about Barry, isn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Gives me an idea, if I could find some good A/V editing software- download some footage and produce a music video with the rajas and Maharishi- That could turn out well! Definitely a hard rock soundtrack is the way I'm seeing it- Rush, ZZ Top, who else? Santana a possibility... Nah, no hard rock. Village People, Macho Man. Maybe change the lyrics to Raja, Raja, Raja Man...
[FairfieldLife] Where have gone, Rick Archer
Where have you gone, Rick Archer Our posters turn their lonely screens to you, woo woo woo What's that you're saying Mrs. Archer? Rolickin' Rick has got some work today, hey hey hey Hey hey hey Miss you, buddy. Happy Holidays to you and all on FFL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nate Matt meet David Lunch (and a cow)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People are claiming that this was a contrived video. All I can say is: pretty cheesey, either way... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6zdE8qWj0 Got milk? * more Lynch: http://www.slate.com/id/2155504/ Ultimately, Inland Empire left me angry at David Lynch, but it was the kind of intimate anger you feel when disappointed by someone you love. If you can tolerate its lack of narrative cohesion, Lynch's film will continue to reward you with visual and auditory surprises right up till the end. Laura Dern is the ideal Lynchian muse; her lissome blond beauty suggests an all-American innocence, but her mobile, clownlike features can quickly distort into a mask of rage, horror, or pain. She also, God help her, seems to understand what Lynch is up to. That makes two of them.
[FairfieldLife] Vegetarians are more intelligent
http://tinyurl.com/y6hj8h Frequently dismissed as cranks, their fussy eating habits tend to make them unpopular with dinner party hosts and guests alike. But now it seems they may have the last laugh, with research showing vegetarians are more intelligent than their meat-eating friends Around four and a half per cent of the adults were vegetarian - a figure that is broadly in line with that found in the general population. However, further analysis of the results showed those who were brainiest as children were more likely to have become vegetarian as adults, shunning both meat and fish. The typical adult veggie had a childhood IQ of around 105 - around five points higher than those who continued to eat meat as they grew up. The vegetarians were also more likely to have gained degrees and hold down high-powered jobs. There was no difference in IQ between strict vegetarians and those who classed themselves as veggie but still ate fish or chicken. However, vegans - vegetarians who also avoid dairy products - scored significantly lower, averaging an IQ score of 95 at the age of 10.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
TorquiseB writes snipped: I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. More in the TM movement, more on the road. It's still more, and it still draws me. So I thank Maharishi for being the first person I ever ran into who managed to put it into words. TomT: In Jed McKennas first and second books he plays with the image of the bus in Ken Kelseys era that had the word Further painted on the front. Your comment above brought that image up powerfully. Thanks TOm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
On Dec 15, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Vaj wrote: It was like they were ejaculating there ojas out their skulls. Sorry: Ojas: The Substance That Maintains Life Ojas is the by-product of a healthy, efficient, contented physiology. It is the juice that remains after food has been properly digested and assimilated. When you are producing ojas, it means all your organs have integrated vitality and you are receiving the nourishment your mind and body need. Your whole being hums with good vibrations because you are producing and feeling bliss, not pain. However, when your agni isn't working properly, you don't produce ojas. Instead food, thoughts, and feelings turn into ama. Ojas is the subtle glue that cements the body, mind and spirit together, integrating them into a functioning individual.
[FairfieldLife] Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
Jeff Fisher asks: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. Tom T: Like Peter I can say it did everthing I wanted and more. It is and was a very powerful technique. At this point I know that all the mantras (including advanced techniques) and the sidhis are now the vibratory quality of my DNA. They are the substance of it and my DNA is also the DNA of all creation. It is no longer practiced but lived. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's tragic mistake (promise)
I think this '5 year' promise MMY made in the 1960's is a tragic mistake on Maharishi's part. First he said TM is all that is necessary and then, later on, he started making more and more exotic demands. Maharishi should have never made that kind of promises. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:23:30 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta quote One could also explain it as, In the absence of the promised results (5-7 years to enlightenment ), giving people theory after theory to hang onto keeps them from paying too much attention to all the broken promises. :-) Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:13:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liv and learn :-) If you look behind the veneer and the staging and the silk getup, it's rather similar: a Hindu fundie and a X-tian fundie, each using marketing and media to amass great wealth and each promising salvation (each also with a political agenda), one instantly (accept jesus, etc., etc.) and the other in 5-7 years. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's tragic mistake (promise)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Jason Spock wrote: I think this '5 year' promise MMY made in the 1960's is a tragic mistake on Maharishi's part. First he said TM is all that is necessary and then, later on, he started making more and more exotic demands. Maharishi should have never made that kind of promises. Well the real question is was M. being hopeful and optimistic for 'all the flowers in his garden' or did he have his mind on some prize and some material gain? It's a great thing to hope the best for your students, but it's quite another thing to hope you'll sell more mantras. There are some questions we just have to accept that we can never answer. We have to embrace to tension of paradox and then relax that tension. We may never know in our waking lives whether or not M's mission to deliver meditation to many, many people was a positive force overall or, in the balance, negative. But at least we can hope (as Shukra69 [IIRC] once 'pined) that his overall effect was positive and partially avataric (a descent of the divine into the human). At least I hope that was the case. I really do. But I do watch that unresolved tension in my own awareness while I shine whatever brightness I can towards the best for everyone. That's really all any of us can do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)? But how could anyone answer that? What the hell does more mean in this context save what you assume it does? Not sure what you're asking here. But I've never heard MMY use it the way Barry does (interesting and profound 'more' experiences). I see what you're saying. I'll always remember Vincint Snell asking what happened when the mantra disappears, and I gave bunches of answers, including nothing. 1 guess as to which was his preferred answer. In this case, more is less.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nate Matt meet David Lunch (and a cow)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: People are claiming that this was a contrived video. All I can say is: pretty cheesey, either way... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6zdE8qWj0 Got milk? * more Lynch: http://www.slate.com/id/2155504/ Characters burn holes in silk slips with cigarettes and peer through them into another dimension Portrait of the director as a nicotine addict?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)? But how could anyone answer that? What the hell does more mean in this context save what you assume it does? Not sure what you're asking here. But I've never heard MMY use it the way Barry does (interesting and profound 'more' experiences). I see what you're saying. I'll always remember Vincint Snell asking what happened when the mantra disappears, and I gave bunches of answers, including nothing. 1 guess as to which was his preferred answer. In this case, more is less. Yowzah. (Who's Vincint Snell?)
[FairfieldLife] Roots In Kashmir
For your loving attention. -V. Roots In Kashmir – is an initiative launched by the Kashmiri Pandit youths to highlight the atrocities inflicted upon the Kashmiri Pandit minority community in the valley of Kashmir, organized a protest rally to highlight the human-rights violations against Kashmiri Pandits. We pursue to keep our friends generations informed about our genocide and a pending task to reverse the same RIK, maintains that the Successive Union and State governments have failed in protecting the very basic human rights of Kashmiri Pundit community. Inspite of clear cut warnings as early as 1986, the governments did nothing to to protect the life and property of the minority Hindu community. This failure is the major reason for our uprootment, a fact recognized by the PM Dr. Manmohan Singh on his maiden visit to Muthi migrant camp two years earlier. As if all of this was not enough, the governments refused to acknowledge the real dimensions of the problem of displacement and its impact on the exiles. Half hearted measures were taken to address housing, health care, education and other problems of the oustees. In Kashmir valley the government , instead of protecting the property of individuals as well as temples and shrines from encroachment from organized groups, became a willful partner in the crime against the community. Government has failed completely in convicting and punishing culprits involved in killings and mass massacres. Kashmiri Pandit community is therefore a victim of terror not only of terrorists but of callous and unsympathetic governments as well. Government has taken practically no step to address the issues concerning the KP community raised by an Inter ministerial team send by PM after his visit to the Muthi Camp. The committee collected huge data and produced a huge report. Some of the highlights of the report are: The employees among the displayed Pandits have reduced from 16,000 employees in 1990 to just 5708 in December 2004. Only 300 displaced Hindus have been given employment during the last sixteen years. That large number of temples has been destroyed in all districts of Kashmir. There has been large-scale encroachment of the lands and properties of the displaced Hindus. Human Rights organizations and 'social activists' actively campaigning for the human rights of the people accused of involvement in violent activities, including those who have been convicted by the highest court of the country, have miserably failed in highlighting the human rights violations against the minority community in the Kashmir valley. To escape persecution, more than 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits had to leave their homes and hearths back in the valley. Even after 16 years after mass exodus, more than 50,000 of these Kashmiri Pandit refugees are living in hellish conditions in uninhabitable refugee camps. Roots In Kashmir (RIK) feels that It is the responsibility of every living human being to speak up against human rights violations and stand up against discriminatory government policies. RIK also thanks you all who stand by us for our cause and requests to provide adequate attention highlighting propagating the human rights violations against Kashmiri Pandit community. Rajesh Koul Sr.Coordinator -Roots In Kashmir On behalf of DISPLACED COMMUNITY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile:+91-9811431127 A17/303;Shalimar Garden-Extn-II; Sahibabad(NCR)-U.P-201005
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)? But how could anyone answer that? What the hell does more mean in this context save what you assume it does? Not sure what you're asking here. But I've never heard MMY use it the way Barry does (interesting and profound 'more' experiences). I see what you're saying. I'll always remember Vincint Snell asking what happened when the mantra disappears, and I gave bunches of answers, including nothing. 1 guess as to which was his preferred answer. In this case, more is less. Yowzah. (Who's Vincint Snell?) Late (I assume) head of the UK TMO. My first Advanced Techniques teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's tragic mistake (promise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Jason Spock wrote: I think this '5 year' promise MMY made in the 1960's is a tragic mistake on Maharishi's part. First he said TM is all that is necessary and then, later on, he started making more and more exotic demands. Maharishi should have never made that kind of promises. Well the real question is was M. being hopeful and optimistic for 'all the flowers in his garden' or did he have his mind on some prize and some material gain? You mean some prize and some material gain he'd get before the five years were up and it turned out folks weren't enlightened yet? So, let's see, he was planning to take the money and run at the five-year mark, but then he decided to stick around because... That's where I get stuck with the prize theory. snip But I do watch that unresolved tension in my own awareness while I shine whatever brightness I can towards the best for everyone. That's really all any of us can do. How about shining that brightness on your theories of MMY as scam artist and seeing if they actually make sense before you voice them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad Santa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday Wall Street Journal http://tinyurl.com/vg74a There's all this forced cheer at Christmastime that we're all so sick of, so it makes sense that there's a rebellion, says Maud Lavin, editor of The Business of Holidays and professor of visual and critical arts at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. For Ms. Lavin, the idea of a Bad Santa evokes photos of children sitting on a mall employee's lap and crying hysterically in fear. Of all the things that were forced on us during the holidays, he's the one that could actually be scary. Mo Donahue, owner of Party Crashers Entertainment in Minneapolis, got the inspiration five years ago, when, in desperation, she hired an unfamiliar actor for a holiday party. He showed up in a sulky, unprofessional mood, and guests complained afterward that he wouldn't even say ho, ho, ho. They kept referring to him as this surly Santa, Ms. Donahue says. And I thought, 'That could be a really funny idea.' In 2002, Ms. Donahue began offering a Bad Santa for singing telegrams and party visits. It was slow to catch on the first year, she says, but since then about one-third of her Santa bookings each holiday season have been deliberately cranky characters. Her Bad Santa, whose services start at $110 for 15 minutes, sings Christmas carols with unprintable lyrics, breaks down in tears or perhaps throws gifts across the room. Clients decide ahead of time how shocking they want his behavior to be. The company also offers a trophy bride Mrs. Claus in a fur-trimmed red minidress and a blond wig. It has to be the right crowd, says Ms. Donahue. I TOTALLY LOVE CHRISTMAS BUT I CAN RELATE TO THIS. I was relieved to read that other families have fights over decorating the Christmas tree. I begged my kids to not fight this year blah blah, but after flipping a coin for who got to pick the tree this year etc I was singing to the tune of rockin around the christmas tree fighting around the christmas tree have a rotten holiday and to the tune of I'll be home for christmas Buy me a gun for christmas, shoot me in the head blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, I wish that I were dead I keep threatening to put coal in the stockings and buy myself a face lift instead of buying the kids presents, but i always cop out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad Santa
m2smart4u2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday Wall Street Journal http://tinyurl.com/vg74a There's all this forced cheer at Christmastime that we're all so sick of, so it makes sense that there's a rebellion, says Maud Lavin, editor of The Business of Holidays and professor of visual and critical arts at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. For Ms. Lavin, the idea of a Bad Santa evokes photos of children sitting on a mall employee's lap and crying hysterically in fear. Of all the things that were forced on us during the holidays, he's the one that could actually be scary. Mo Donahue, owner of Party Crashers Entertainment in Minneapolis, got the inspiration five years ago, when, in desperation, she hired an unfamiliar actor for a holiday party. He showed up in a sulky, unprofessional mood, and guests complained afterward that he wouldn't even say ho, ho, ho. They kept referring to him as this surly Santa, Ms. Donahue says. And I thought, 'That could be a really funny idea.' In 2002, Ms. Donahue began offering a Bad Santa for singing telegrams and party visits. It was slow to catch on the first year, she says, but since then about one-third of her Santa bookings each holiday season have been deliberately cranky characters. Her Bad Santa, whose services start at $110 for 15 minutes, sings Christmas carols with unprintable lyrics, breaks down in tears or perhaps throws gifts across the room. Clients decide ahead of time how shocking they want his behavior to be. The company also offers a trophy bride Mrs. Claus in a fur-trimmed red minidress and a blond wig. It has to be the right crowd, says Ms. Donahue. I TOTALLY LOVE CHRISTMAS BUT I CAN RELATE TO THIS. I was relieved to read that other families have fights over decorating the Christmas tree. I begged my kids to not fight this year blah blah, but after flipping a coin for who got to pick the tree this year etc I was singing to the tune of rockin around the christmas tree fighting around the christmas tree have a rotten holiday and to the tune of I'll be home for christmas Buy me a gun for christmas, shoot me in the head blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, I wish that I were dead I keep threatening to put coal in the stockings and buy myself a face lift instead of buying the kids presents, but i always cop out. I don't enjoy Christmas that much anymore, it's become too much of a commercialistic sham where we're supposed to bail out the badly run businesses who have to make up for a year long of losses. Then it is always difficult to figure out what to give my relatives as gifts since they have about everything (except for expensive stuff that I'm not going to buy them anyway) and I don't like to shop. I bet I'm not the only one here who longs for the simpler, humbler Christmases of years past.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it. Think that the second one is supported by a rival former TM teacher group in the UK. I recognize the content of the TM Facade site as being the same as on the now defunct unstress4less site, which was the work of a not terribly bright fundie in Elk Grove, California who posted to AMT as Petrus (a.k.a. Pet Rock) and New Creation. The WHOIS info on the site says it's the same guy: Domain Name:BEHIND-THE-TM-FACADE.ORG Created On:08-Jan-2005 18:21:49 UTC Last Updated On:10-Mar-2005 03:51:16 UTC Expiration Date:08-Jan-2010 18:21:49 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR) Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Registrant ID:38923095-NSI Registrant Name:Unstress4less c/o Registrant Organization:Unstress4less c/o Registrant Street1:9116 EG Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:EG Registrant State/Province:CA Registrant Postal Code:95624 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.916 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Admin ID:38923095-NSI Admin Name:Unstress4less c/o Admin Organization:Unstress4less c/o Admin Street1:9116 EG Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City:EG Admin State/Province:CA Admin Postal Code:95624 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.916 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tech ID:38923095-NSI Tech Name:Unstress4less c/o Tech Organization:Unstress4less c/o Tech Street1:9116 EG Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City:EG Tech State/Province:CA Tech Postal Code:95624 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.916 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Name Server:NS2.ELKGROVE.NET Name Server:NS3.ELKGROVE.NET
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it. Think that the second one is supported by a rival former TM teacher group in the UK. I recognize the content of the TM Facade site as being the same as on the now defunct unstress4less site, which was the work of a not terribly bright fundie in Elk Grove, California who posted to AMT as Petrus (a.k.a. Pet Rock) and New Creation. The WHOIS info on the site says it's the same guy: My mistake. Instituto Scientia supports the archive for the TM-Ex site as well as the unstress4less website. They claim that in 1958, MMY was teaching TM using only one mantra and that they offer much the same technique for 1/100 the price via CD.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it. Think that the second one is supported by a rival former TM teacher group in the UK. I recognize the content of the TM Facade site as being the same as on the now defunct unstress4less site, which was the work of a not terribly bright fundie in Elk Grove, California who posted to AMT as Petrus (a.k.a. Pet Rock) and New Creation. The WHOIS info on the site says it's the same guy: My mistake. Instituto Scientia supports the archive for the TM-Ex site as well as the unstress4less website. They claim that in 1958, MMY was teaching TM using only one mantra and that they offer much the same technique for 1/100 the price via CD. Gack. I meant natural stress release, not unstress4less. http://transcendental.meditation.onwww.net/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it. Think that the second one is supported by a rival former TM teacher group in the UK. I recognize the content of the TM Facade site as being the same as on the now defunct unstress4less site, which was the work of a not terribly bright fundie in Elk Grove, California who posted to AMT as Petrus (a.k.a. Pet Rock) and New Creation. Among several other names, including Non Skeeter-- his version of non sequitur, in which he often indulged--and also popularly known as the Petroid. The WHOIS info on the site says it's the same guy: I thought that might be who was behind it. Thanks for checking. His favorite theory was that TM causes serotonin poisoning, which he'd read about somewhere without absorbing the fact that it is caused by ingesting certain combinations of psychoactive (prescription, not recreational) drugs and could not possibly occur as a result of something you do in your head.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- MMY and the TMO aside, did (does) the TM technique help you? Although no longer practicing, it did help me at the time. My intro lecture -- closely following a short affair with Zen, which itself followed a longer, more mean- ingful relationship with psychedelics -- was given by Maharishi. It was sometime in 1967, at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. It was probably the standard intro lecture for that period, but the part I remember most clearly is his idea of the natural tendency of the mind -- to seek more. That just rocked for me. Seeking more was, after all, why I was there listening to him. So I learned to meditate and then I learned to teach people how to meditate, and along the way I had some very interesting and profound more experiences. I was happy with them for many years, and then when more began happening less and less, I decided to beat feet and look for it on the road. I have never been unable to find it there. But have you found the more MMY was actually talking about (as opposed to the more you were after)? But how could anyone answer that? What the hell does more mean in this context save what you assume it does? Not sure what you're asking here. But I've never heard MMY use it the way Barry does (interesting and profound 'more' experiences). When Maharishi uses this expression: 'The natural tendency of the mind to seek more'... It's in relation to how TM works; In that the mind seeks to find, finer appreciation(s) of the mantra. The natural tendency of the mind is exploited in TM, in the inward stroke of meditation- Then as the mantra refines, it eventually disappears; And you are left with the witnessing self. Most people are attuned to seeking more in the outer, material world. TM uses this natural tendency to seek more within. And there does come a time, as Barry mentions, that after a certain amount of expansion within is acheived; Then one can continue to seek more, and find more, everywhere one looks. Because knowledge is structured in consciousness, then it follows; That when one's consciousness is expanded, then one has a completely different experience, then when one's consciousness is limited. So, as we expand the container of knowledge, through meditation; We can't help but appreciate feelings, knowings, and understandings, which wouldn't be possible, when our consiousness was more limited. And with expanded consciousness comes the siddhis, and all sorts of experiences, not possible with limited consciousness. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarlo's Guru Rating Service
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] FWIW, the anti link from the ex-TM teacher is Joe Kellett's site; the other one is called Behind the TM Facade and has no clue as to who is responsible for it. Think that the second one is supported by a rival former TM teacher group in the UK. I recognize the content of the TM Facade site as being the same as on the now defunct unstress4less site, which was the work of a not terribly bright fundie in Elk Grove, California who posted to AMT as Petrus (a.k.a. Pet Rock) and New Creation. Among several other names, including Non Skeeter-- his version of non sequitur, in which he often indulged--and also popularly known as the Petroid. The WHOIS info on the site says it's the same guy: I thought that might be who was behind it. Thanks for checking. His favorite theory was that TM causes serotonin poisoning, which he'd read about somewhere without absorbing the fact that it is caused by ingesting certain combinations of psychoactive (prescription, not recreational) drugs and could not possibly occur as a result of something you do in your head. I should add that Sarlo has no way of knowing the two anti-sites he lists have essentially been produced by cranks, not serious critics of TM. I enjoyed what I read of the site. Sarlo seems very genuine and doesn't take himself too seriously. I did think it was amusing that Barry would tout the site, not having bothered to look at enough of it to realize that Sarlo approvingly quotes his own guru, Osho, to the effect that running around sampling gurus and techniques is counterproductive to realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did (Does) the TM technique help YOU?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip TM uses this natural tendency to seek more within. And there does come a time, as Barry mentions, that after a certain amount of expansion within is acheived; Then one can continue to seek more, and find more, everywhere one looks. Sure. But chasing experiences for their own sake isn't what MMY means by the natural tendency of the mind to seek more.
