[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon. Because they're hacks who can't think of new metaphors? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking through a Boston Herald newspaper today omeone left in the kitchen at work and, lo and behold, there was an obit of MMY with an old photo in the obits section. Next to it was one for actor Barry Morse, who played Lt. Gerard in the cult TV 60s series The Fugutive. I was a big fan of the show. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7230279.stm It must mean that Maharishi was blessing The Fugitive and commenting on its cosmic wisdom and suggesting to you that watching and re-watching that TV series is the path to enlightenment. Don't laugh...I have actually heard people say such things. One guy recently has created a whole spiritual path for himself based on watching Bruce Lee movies, all because he happened to be watching a Bruce Lee movie when his own spiritual teacher died, and he considers that more than a coincidence. The fellow hasn't got any *followers* for his Bruce Lee movie-watching spiritual trip, but he'll be happy to tell you all about it if you have an hour or two and no discrimination... :-) --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Uh...Edg...just to throw another possibility into the mix, have you ever heard of the word coincidence? Like shit, weather just seems to happen. And as far as Maharishi being on everyone's mind, just to give you a little perspective on things, last night *as* he died, my tiny little beach town was full of about 150,000 extra tourists, there for the big night of Carnavale -- Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday). I would be willing to bet that the ONLY person in Sitges who had Maharishi on his mind was me. I would bet that the same thing is true here today, now that some of them have actually heard of his death. And I would further bet that in Madison, Wisconsin the same is true of all but about 40-50 people in the whole town. No one else cares. So if you've got to come up with a reason for your snowstorm, PLEASE don't choose, Maharishi was on everyone's mind. It's just so, Everything revolves around me and how *I* feel. That said, do you *live* in Madison? If so, I've never gotten that before. I actually spent over a year work- ing in that town, commuting there four days a week, three weeks a month. Madison has its charms. Good on you for picking it, if you did... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - From a Purusha in Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Fiske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me that link for the photo no longer works. Has it been pulled? I saw earlier on and it was sweet as though he was meditating. David --- The link seems to work fine (for me at least). But who knows, better to download it maybe. JGD
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
Duveyoung wrote: 10 inches on the ground, can't see even a block down the street, wind howling, and no end in sight here. To me, it's a perfectly wondrous funereal shroud of white, and with one's master gone nothing else can be seen, and Vata's singing a final song. Edg Do not stand at my grave and weep. I am not there, I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond glints on snow. I am the sunlight on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn's rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush, I am the swift uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there, I did not die... http://www.sedona.com/html/grief-poems.aspx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak's ode to MMY continues
the February issue of the Chopra Center online newsletter features a photo of Maharishi in loving memory and five differnt MMY quotes as words of wisdom http://chopra.com/namaste/february08
[FairfieldLife] Re: Funeral in Varanasi - All invited.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: All are invited to come to India for the final ceremonies for Maharishi's Mahasamadhi. according to an indina website...they will bring maharishi ji to india on 9th and funeral will be done in varanasi 11:40 AM according to this site the funeral will be on 12th Sangam Ghat Allahabad 11:39 AM where 3 rivers meet 11:40 AM ganga yamuna and sarswati 11:40 AM yes 11:42 AM varanasi is the old name of the same area.. 11:43 AM i think this news must have come from somewhere Vlodrop.but there is nothig like this on other sites 11:42 AM anyway you can take it for the moment That's very interesting and beautiful news. Can you kindly specify the name of the Indian website? I would suppose the body will be lowered into the waters of the sangam? Or will there be a cremation? I can only imagine the kind of crowds... Regards Bo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who will be there to welcome him into heaven? Yama
No, It can't be St. Peter who started a Corrupt Chruch which burnt hundreds of thousands on the stake and took money to absolve your sins. It can't be the Prophet either who fucked women into submission and started the whole Jihadist enterprise. It think it would be Mickey Mouse or Kermit the Frog who Welcomes him into Swarga or BrahmaLoka.!! MatrixMonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:17:08 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who will be there to welcome him into heaven? Yama --Why not St. Peter -- why Yama? Rick Archer rick@ wrote: According to Hindu legend. No one really knows. Well how can we disbelieve what the Great Sage in the Holy Tradition, Veda Vyasa, Krishna Dvaipayana wrote in the Mahabharata when Dharmaraja incarnate, King Yudhisthira crossed over? Who was there? Yama What greater definitive legend has been written, perhaps other than the Ramayana? Hari Krishna Hari Ram who cares about old words or speculation? You'll find out soon enough- just be patient. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who will be there to welcome him into heaven? Yama
Who will be there to welcome him into heaven?... that's an extremely strange question! I guess I keep on writing here to work out my grief. But some information is really useful. Thanks for that. BL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Why not St. Peter -- why Yama? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of netineti3 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who will be there to welcome him into heaven? First.. Everyone must meet Yama the Lord of Death and his record keeper, Chitragupta before the next destination is determined. It is this moment when accounts are tallied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: According to Hindu legend. No one really knows. Well how can we disbelieve what the Great Sage in the Holy Tradition, Veda Vyasa, Krishna Dvaipayana wrote in the Mahabharata when Dharmaraja incarnate, King Yudhisthira crossed over? Who was there? Yama What greater definitive legend has been written, perhaps other than the Ramayana? Hari Krishna Hari Ram who cares about old words or speculation? You'll find out soon enough- just be patient.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Broadcast on Maharishi Channel
To His Royal Highness, The Beloved-ness Rick Archer Friends, (sorry, I wasn't sure of your titles) You Maharishi guys really crack me up. His Holiness the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam? Governor this.. Siddha that. You guys sure love lofty titles and superlatives. I always think of titles as something you get when your boss doesn't want to give you a pay raise. Is that what's happening there? Or, maybe humility isn't one of your strong suits. Seriously, you guys define new perimeters of buffoonery. What a hoot. Have to admit Mr.Mahesh Varma, the self proclaimed Maharishi, was a great spiritual con-man though maybe the best. Have to give him credit for that. That caper with the flying thing... now that was really something. And for those nincompoops to actually believe they could fly? can you believe that? I mean it's right out of The Emperor's New Clothes story. Priceless. Makes me laugh just thinking about it. You can't dream up this kind of stuff. Well, the Big M could, but most of us can't. The con I liked best though was when he convinced those folks he would sell them personal enlightenment in the 90's. What was the price tag? a hundred thousand?... a million?... I forget. I heard over a hundred people fell for that one. LOL!!! A multi-million dollar heist and perfectly legal!!! Beautiful. Of course, the Big M' will probably be best remembered for selling those hindu seed mantras for $2500 a pop. That's the bread butter. Pure genius! Who would have ever thought you could dress some dime store mantras with a dog pony puja ceremony ... and people would actually buy it? My hat's off to him. So, what I want to know is what is his new royal majesty going to do with all that money? Admit it... you want to know too. I've heard rumors of around $3 billion stashed in secret swiss bank accounts not too shabby guys. Time to split up the booty if you ask me. BTW, what do you call his new royalness behind his back?... come on you've got to have some kind of nickname for the boss. My guess is Osama Bin Raama. Am I close? Let's hope he spreads the wealth a little. I always heard the Mahesh was pretty tight fisted with a rupee. I don't mean to disparage the dearly departed, but that Maharishi guy could squeeze a quarter out of a nickel from what I've heard. I bet old Deep-Pockets Chopra is probably kicking himself now... it could have been all his. Ha! Tough luck Deepak, you had your chance. Anyway, thanks for the entertainment over the years guys. His most excellent-ness, Nadar Raam-Dum, has some pretty deep pockets to fill. My suggestion is to offer some kind of grifter technique... you know, call it something like the ancient auyervedic Kriya-golden-pick-pocket siddhi technique. I like that... has a ring to it, don't you think? Just say it appeared out of the ether or something. Better yet, say it was the Big M''s final words. People love that kind of stuff. Anyway, good luck with your TV show, guys. Break a leg... and all that. BTW, are you going to have a telethon where we people can send you money. Remember, gotta think the way HE would think! Good luck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Broadcast on Maharishi Channel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijim1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To His Royal Highness, The Beloved-ness Rick Archer Friends, (sorry, I wasn't sure of your titles) You Maharishi guys really crack me up. His Holiness the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam? Governor this.. Siddha that. You guys sure love lofty titles and superlatives. I always think of titles as something you get when your boss doesn't want to give you a pay raise. Is that what's happening there? Actually, in the TM movement it's even stranger. The guys who have the title of Raja not only didn't get the title in lieu of a raise, they had to pay their boss one million bucks for the title. No, I'm not kidding. I'm guessing, given the rest of your post, that you're some kind of funeral gawker drawn to this newsgroup out of curiosity after having noticed that Maharishi died. Don't assume that everyone here takes seriously the things that the TM movement takes seriously. If you get off on mocking the afflicted and feel- ing superior to them (which seems to be the case), you might want to aim your own lack of humility at the right targets.
[FairfieldLife] The Giggling Guru, Gotham Chopra
http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2008/02/the_maha_man.html The Giggling Guru Gotham Chopra - February 06, 2008 One of the more interesting parts of growing up Chopra, was the range of people my sister and I were exposed to - from celebrities to heads of state to Nobel laureates and all the rest. As a teenager growing up in Boston, the emotional response to these experiences ranged from titillation (Madonna) to indifference (Elizabeth Taylor), to total fascination (Michael Jackson). But the most memorable was the little Indian Guru that over the years became a symbol of something very primordial to my whole family. I remember the first time my parents dragged my sister and I to meet Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is some rural outpost in India outside of New Delhi. I was about 11 years old and I hated them for it. Drag is the literal case here because it was 1986 and the Boston Celtics (my boyhood favorite team) were on the run to the NBA Championship. Alas my parents decided that we needed to travel to the old country to see our grandparents and visit the ashram of some old Beatles Guru that they had become enamored with. This caused considerable family friction: if Larry Bird was my Luke Skywalker, the dude known as Maharishi had literally just become my Darth Vadar. In those days, India was not the bustling land of plenty and opportunity it is today. Getting to India in the first place was a hell of an ordeal. Getting to Noida where Maharishi's ashram was involved taking a convoy out to what appeared to be the sticks. The upshot was that almost since my father's first encounter with Maharishi, he had been mysteriously seemingly anointed the chosen one by the movement that surrounded the Guru and hence we were treated with an overt sense of deference and importance. In India this meant getting an escort of Maruti cars from Delhi to Noida almost upon landing at the airport in the middle of the night. That was just the beginning of the mysterious journey. Once we we arrived in the ashram, a quiet compound awash with candlelight and the fragrance of fresh flowers, we were sequestered to a room where we waited, and waited, and waited. It was truly an exercise in patience and endurance, to wait for hour on end in pursuit of an encounter that meant nothing to me. Finally, about 9 hours in, I was handed an ice cream cone by one of the movement handlers and we were escorted into a massive auditorium where a few thousand people seemed to be seated. At the head, atop an flower covered pedestal sat the diminutive Maharishi. As the VIPS that we were, we were ushered to the front row and seated in full view of his holiness. He seemed to be midstream on a long dissertation about the meaning of life which to my 11 year old brain, really didn't register as highly important. He didn't as much as blink upon our entrance, take an extra breath or make an aside glance to acknowledge our presence. He just droned on. But then, a moment later, he stopped. And he stared down at the four of us, my parents, sister, and I. It was as if he had stopped mid-sentence, mid-thought even. And he just stared at me. And pointed at me. Despite my 11 year old hubris, I was shrewd enough to know that this was a big deal and all of a sudden the glare of the spotlight burned right through me. Maharishi paused and spoke into his microphone, come here, you can? I stared at my father unsure what to do. Go, go... He urged. I gestured to my older sister Mallika to come with me and she just shook her head. Go dummy, she whispered. So with the hushed glared of a thousand eyes on my back I staggered forward awkwardly. After a seeming eternity, I stood in front of the great Maharishi. I knew from the Indian comic books that I collected that you were supposed to bow down and touch the feet in a show of respect to these old Sadhus. Not sure what else to do, I started to get down to my knees, balancing my ice cream cone in my hands. Maharishi laughed and reached out and stopped me. No...no...no... he giggled. Americans do not bow down at the feet of anyone, he said. I stared at him awkwardly not sure how to respond, holding my ice cream cone tenuously. Um, I'm not really American... I divulged the great discomfort of my upbringing as the son of a an immigrant raised in America, the only brown Celtics fan I really knew. Indian? Maharishi giggled back at me. Not really... the flip side of my identity conflict was now out in the open for everyone to see. Maharishi nodded slowly. I looked in his eyes. There was a gentleness to them, something very comfortable that put you at ease. Then what are you? He inquired. Um... I stammered. Um, I don't know. I guess I am...I'm just uh. I guess I just am...? And he started to laugh again, this sweet innocent infectious laugh. All these years, he started to speak. I have meditated and studied, he giggled even louder, to come upon this
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: my black grandmother-in-law would have said to this, Don't you be teaching your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey. And, by the way, I wasn't going to dignify your remarks to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of their rude and uncivilized manner, but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to hint again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable. Or Hillary fans commenting on the Obama's... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Photo
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
I can understand your self-fascination, Shemp, though still what link you're referring to has not been clarified. Until that happens it seems like you're talking to yourself in public. On Feb 5, 2008 8:38 AM, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What I did was put statcounter code inside the first post of this thread from statcounter.com in the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) mode. Here are the results from my statcounter.com account (I hope it pastes properly to here). So each of you who clicked on to the original post gets registered. Cool, huh?: [magnify visitor] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/magnify. ph\ p?project_id=3398367ip_number=1264866152 Number of Entries: Entry Page Time: Visit Length: Browser OS Resolution 1 5th February 2008 07:29:45 0 seconds Firefox 2.0.0 Windows XP unknown Returning Visits: Location: Hostname: Entry Page: Exit Page: Referring URL: 0 Platteville Wisconsin United States h75-100-83-104.75-100.unk.tds.net (75.100.83.104) [Label IP Address] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/add_ip_a dd\ ress_label.php? project_id=3398367ip_address=75.100.83.104return_url=%2\ Fproject%2Fstandard%2Fvisitor.php%3Fproject_id%3D3398367 _blank _blank No referring link [magnify visitor] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/magnify. ph\ p?project_id=3398367ip_number=1143393621 Number of Entries: Entry Page Time: Visit Length: Browser OS Resolution 1 5th February 2008 07:20:34 0 seconds MSIE 7.0 Windows XP unknown Returning Visits: Location: Hostname: Entry Page: Exit Page: Referring URL: 0 Holmdel New Jersey United States c-68-38-205-85.hsd1.nj.comcast.net (68.38.205.85) [Label IP Address] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/add_ip_a dd\ ress_label.php? project_id=3398367ip_address=68.38.205.85return_url=%2F\ project%2Fstandard%2Fvisitor.php%3Fproject_id%3D3398367 _blank _blank No referring link [magnify visitor] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/magnify. ph\ p?project_id=3398367ip_number=1158808651 Number of Entries: Entry Page Time: Visit Length: Browser OS Resolution 1 5th February 2008 07:16:26 0 seconds Mozilla 5.0 Mac OS X unknown Returning Visits: Location: Hostname: Entry Page: Exit Page: Referring URL: 0 Ft. Madison Iowa United States 69.18.4.75 [Label IP Address] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/add_ip_a dd\ ress_label.php? project_id=3398367ip_address=69.18.4.75return_url=% 2Fpr\ oject%2Fstandard%2Fvisitor.php%3Fproject_id%3D3398367 _blank _blank No referring link [magnify visitor] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/magnify. ph\ p?project_id=3398367ip_number=1260315827 Number of Entries: Entry Page Time: Visit Length: Browser OS Resolution 1 5th February 2008 07:13:48 0 seconds MSIE 6.0 Windows XP unknown Returning Visits: Location: Hostname: Entry Page: Exit Page: Referring URL: 0 Oakland California United States adsl-75-30-228-179.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (75.30.228.179) [Label IP Address] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/add_ip_a dd\ ress_label.php? project_id=3398367ip_address=75.30.228.179return_url=%2\ Fproject%2Fstandard%2Fvisitor.php%3Fproject_id%3D3398367 _blank _blank No referring link [magnify visitor] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/magnify. ph\ p?project_id=3398367ip_number=1117579001 Number of Entries: Entry Page Time: Visit Length: Browser OS Resolution 1 5th February 2008 07:02:39 0 seconds Firefox 2.0.0 Windows XP unknown Returning Visits: Location: Hostname: Entry Page: Exit Page: Referring URL: 0 Ft. Lauderdale Florida United States adsl-156-230-249.mia.bellsouth.net (66.156.230.249) [Label IP Address] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/add_ip_a dd\ ress_label.php? project_id=3398367ip_address=66.156.230.249return_url=%\ 2Fproject%2Fstandard%2Fvisitor.php%3Fproject_id%3D3398367 _blank _blank No referring link [magnify visitor] http://my6.statcounter.com/project/standard/project/standard/magnify. ph\ p?project_id=3398367ip_number=1122595756 Number of Entries: Entry Page Time: Visit Length: Browser OS Resolution 1 5th February 2008 06:38:49 0 seconds Firefox 2.0.0 Windows XP unknown Returning
[FairfieldLife] Chopra
I gotta tell you, I'm finding Chopra's several eulogies about MMY's passing much more genuine and heartfelt than most...and that includes practically everything coming out of the TMO. Indeed, may I even say they are more heartfelt than even Nader Rama Tony's official words. Anyone else feel that way? Some of the things he has said also make me suspect that what Judy has been saying all these years (at least I think it's been Judy, sorry if I'm wrong here) has been correct: that when Chopra split from the TMO that he formally agreed not to publicly make any declarations tying anything he's done in with MMY or the TMO. I'm referring in particular to his words to the effect that everything he has learned he has learned from MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi drops the body, reflections
End of an era the start of a new one. a spectacular run. FW: In remembering Maharishi, I think of the knowledge he has brought out into the world, and I'm very grateful to him and I honor him. I don't personally feel like Maharishi's passing is an event to mourn, but instead an event to receive as a catalyst to remember the things that inspire and animate. Perhaps you have different feelings, so if this message is coming to you too soon, I hope you will set it aside and read it later. In my experience, meditation is absolutely good and can reduce much personal and societal suffering. I would like to see a world where meditation is readily available to all people. FW: OUR BELOVED MAHARISHI MERGED WITH DIVINITY COMPLETELY!!! I BOW TO HIS BEING... HIS INFINITE BEING... AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN...ETERNALLY... JAI GURU DEV JAI GURU DEV JAI GURU DEV JAI GURU DEV JAI GURU DEV JAI GURU DEV JAI GURU DEV ALL LOVE TO A L L DEVOTEES OF MAHARISHI we will surely miss him FW: ...check out the ny times write up of his life...plus other papers, very interesting view of his life et purpose...i will always be grateful to Maharishi for the TM practice et getting me started on this path...I remember when Jess and I saw him in Fairfield a few years ago... om
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Broadcast on Maharishi Channel
On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:18 AM, srijim1 wrote: I bet old Deep-Pockets Chopra is probably kicking himself now... it could have been all his. Ha! Tough luck Deepak, you had your chance. Actually Chopra's an interesting case and point. He has his own Neo- Vedic Science mega-church now--but needs to kiss up since his song and dance is derived from his ex-teacher's. So he's been making up new stories to secure that cash, uh, I meant lineage. :-) If he doesn't try to make his teacher look legit, it makes him look illegitimate. So the stories flow. Have you seen the 6-year old Mahasamadhi picture? Very clever!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra
Shemp, Cynically, let me first say, follow the money. Hillary and Obama are scrapping over the followers of John Edwards right now, say, I'm just like John, come to me my little ones. Same deal with Chopra? Dunno, nope I doesn't, and that guy can really write, and he's put a lot of heart value into his words, and I think that his books carry a far more secular version of TM dogma and do indeed offer a philosophical stance that can feel like Mother'ser, Maharishi's at home for many TMers. He once was our glorious prince of sorts, and perhaps he can pick up a lot of the TMers out there with the same vibe and hopes that Maharishi seemingly offered us. I say all power to him, cuz, the movement belongs to those who move. I won't be kissing his ring, but he does excellent work out in the real world in that he's gained a very decent image in BigMedia's eyes and gets regularly called upon to comment about the deaths of famous people -- he not a threat and he continually rolls out juciy plump Eastern mysticism that doesn't complete set off alarm bells in the bible belt. He's considered wise in a way that Maharishi never ever got even close to achieving in the press. We could do a lot worse than having Chopra somehow get his hooks into whatever's left of the true believers, and if that's something he'd try for, I think he could grab a goodly number of folks by simply writing a commentary to the Gita, doing a puja to the Holy Tradition, rubbing his hands together, and saying, Let's do this. Let's finish Maharishi's true dream. Follow me. I don't think he'll do that -- he makes way too much money, and Girish would try mightily to get some of it. Why bother trying to resurrect the movement with all the baggage? Chopra will do well with whatever he can inspire away from the cult, but IMO he'd be foolish to make any overt bid for the guru job. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta tell you, I'm finding Chopra's several eulogies about MMY's passing much more genuine and heartfelt than most...and that includes practically everything coming out of the TMO. Indeed, may I even say they are more heartfelt than even Nader Rama Tony's official words. Anyone else feel that way? Some of the things he has said also make me suspect that what Judy has been saying all these years (at least I think it's been Judy, sorry if I'm wrong here) has been correct: that when Chopra split from the TMO that he formally agreed not to publicly make any declarations tying anything he's done in with MMY or the TMO. I'm referring in particular to his words to the effect that everything he has learned he has learned from MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Look what a google of Maharishi dies gave me the day of his death.
Look what a google of Maharishi dies gave me the day of his death. FFL Message #47623 at_man_and_brahman When Maharishi dies, I don't think he'll get more than a small AP paragraph that will show up in Section F of your local newspaper, next to the latest story about Britney's fifth husband. David
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude
this time. But even your comment, No, his wife is *not* a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations is not how colleagues talk to one another where I
come from. A colleague would have said something like, Really? That is not
what my information is. Do you have information I don't have? Either one of
us could be wrong. There could also be cases in which a true/false dichotomy
is not exactly a productive way of looking at things. And there is also a
statement like It wasn't evident Where I come from, a colleague would
say, It wasn't evident to me But we'll talk another time. I'm still busy
with grant writing and with getting my China team and now a Japanese
kindergarten up to speed.
- Original Message
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Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:36:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
my black grandmother- in-law would have said to this, Don't
you be teaching your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey.
It was suck eggs in my family.
I'm glad to know you realize that pathetic
fallacy isn't pejorative. That wasn't evident,
to say the least, from what you wrote that I
was responding to. You appeared to be defending
(via sarcasm) the poets who use the pathetic
fallacy as if you believed the term was being
used to attack them.
And, by the way, I wasn't going to dignify your remarks
to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of
their rude and uncivilized manner,
You mean, rude and uncivilized because I
said, No, his wife is *not* a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations?
Or was it because I asked, Where did you
pick up that bit of misinformation?
After some experience of your reluctance
to cite your sources, I can understand why
that request would seem offensive to you.
but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to hint
again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable.
Oh, very true, Angela. But it wasn't I who
cited Wikipedia on this issue. I'm afraid
you must have me confused with someone else.
Any time you feel like citing your source
for the Michelle Obama misinformation, I'll
be happy to set you straight and point you
to an authoritative source.
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit
this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon.
In literature, the term is used in a neutral
sense, Angela. It isn't pejorative; stand down.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY as Britney?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A newbie here, former TM'r/siddha, yada yada. You might find more insightful responses to your posts here if you skip the group scolding (Which gets kinda old) and respond to specific writers. If you stick around you might find that the posters here are also like you, as you pointed out about MMY. Many posers who criticize him are not implying that they would have done better. Not everyone shared his goals or assumptions. Don't hold back on personal stories. I'm already caught up with the latest Britney details and inquiring minds want to know! I have just glanced through the many posts in the last few days, as there are just too many to read. Few thoughts: - unexepected outpouring of rage, disgust, baseless hatred, disrespect, sarcasm. - expected outpouring of grief and loss - seems to me that for way too many people his passing (did anyone think he would live forever?) has provided a seductive outlet for externalization of beliefs, ideas, feelings, disappointments, etc. - way too few people see him as a person and are falling all over themselves to de-personalize him. Pity. He was just like you and me. - Why do people buy the magazines and newspapers that hire papparatzi to hound Britney? Same reason people can't say enough negativity about MMY. The resounding implication is that the speaker would have done better in MMY's place. Mountains of such hubris will never fill up the emptyness. - I met him once years ago but frankly telling my stories about him right now just feels like a bit like trying to discuss a side bar item at the Paris 1919 Peace talks.not the right timemaybe another day. regards, Fred
[FairfieldLife] MMY as Britney?
A newbie here, former TM'r/siddha, yada yada. I have just glanced through the many posts in the last few days, as there are just too many to read. Few thoughts: - unexepected outpouring of rage, disgust, baseless hatred, disrespect, sarcasm. - expected outpouring of grief and loss - seems to me that for way too many people his passing (did anyone think he would live forever?) has provided a seductive outlet for externalization of beliefs, ideas, feelings, disappointments, etc. - way too few people see him as a person and are falling all over themselves to de-personalize him. Pity. He was just like you and me. - Why do people buy the magazines and newspapers that hire papparatzi to hound Britney? Same reason people can't say enough negativity about MMY. The resounding implication is that the speaker would have done better in MMY's place. Mountains of such hubris will never fill up the emptyness. - I met him once years ago but frankly telling my stories about him right now just feels like a bit like trying to discuss a side bar item at the Paris 1919 Peace talks.not the right timemaybe another day. regards, Fred
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra
There was another indication of this repressed emotion in the description of those going to Maharishi's house after he left, with the observation that one woman couldn't hold it in and began crying. Personally if I had been there I'd have been bawling like a baby, and I suspect many of those there wanted to as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The movement never really encouraged authentic, heartfelt communication. There was always a formal element there. You could express yourself, but only with the sanctioned vocabulary. So, While I felt Tony's eulogy was heartfelt, there was that stilted vocabulary that skewed the authenticity. Like a bunch of upper-class people sitting around in a Victorian drawing room in 1830 discussing events. So repressed and formal. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta tell you, I'm finding Chopra's several eulogies about MMY's passing much more genuine and heartfelt than most...and that includes practically everything coming out of the TMO. Indeed, may I even say they are more heartfelt than even Nader Rama Tony's official words. Anyone else feel that way? Some of the things he has said also make me suspect that what Judy has been saying all these years (at least I think it's been Judy, sorry if I'm wrong here) has been correct: that when Chopra split from the TMO that he formally agreed not to publicly make any declarations tying anything he's done in with MMY or the TMO. I'm referring in particular to his words to the effect that everything he has learned he has learned from MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - From a Purusha in Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sandi: On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:27 PM, sandiego108 wrote: I don't feel yogis do it out of fear Sandi -- more a sense of 'exploration' and all possibilities. A Hitchhikers Guide to Kosmos. what's so all possibilities about reading signs, and helpful to know the signs and having a Guide? Once you're no longer a prisoner inside a body, it becomes more obvious. what if all of the Hindu scriptures and Buddhist tracts and Christian records are incorrect? Then they should be changed. Yogis take a more gnostic approach and instead rely on direct experience. The various texts which describe such phenomenon are merely firsthand descriptions from the POV of people with very few or no obscurations--a refined perceiving instrument. The texts such beings leave behind are memory devices to the people they shared their teachings with. what if they don't work for you when you die? What if they were true for some, and aren't for you? That's why it's good idea to try them out for yourself ahead a time, if you're lucky enough to receive such precious instructions and guidance from an experienced teacher! Otherwise it's like giving a 15- year old a car with no driving experience. what if its an entirely different and incomprehensible paradigm for you when you die? what then? what you describe for me sounds like a lot of boundaries and fear, no matter who's religion is doing the describing. I'll wait and see, thank you; no guide necessary, or wanted. Good luck! Yes, and enjoy your ism!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
My background is radically different from that of most people. So what seems
off the wall to you may be perfectly normal in China or Greece. Your reactions
to me are knee-jerk reactions.
- Original Message
From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:06:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude
this time.
Takes one to know one. Angela, generally your comments are so off-the-wall I
don't bother responding, but just for the sake of argument, I'll post the only
2 comments you could be referring to along these lines:
I'd be willing to bet the farm (almost) that there won't be any proof, or even
an attempt. (to provide evidence)
And:
My reaction too. Would somebody tell me where Angela sees all these falling
buildings? Did she have a front-row seat during the blitz? Are they some
tourist attraction or something? (This in response to your claim that you had
seen a lot of buildings fall down.)
Sal
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Nothing is wrong with the idea that former close associates of MMY would be welcomed. Former close associates, who are now successful independently, are the very people whose participation would bestow credit to MMY' s legacy. The Chopra remembrances, so graciously expressed on the Huffington site, are an example of how much goodwill can come to MMY's legacy from former associates. More of the same would be gratefully received, and the 'everyone's welcome to participate' invitation is wonderful. Don't you have a large mass of snow from a record snowfall last night in Madison that needs clearing? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, So what's wrong with this picture? Girish invites Sri Sri. Why are these two even speaking when Sri Sri ripped off the movement with Maharishi's entire schtick down to his giggle? Was Sri Sri giving Girish something under the table? Or, is Girish, you know, actually human enough to see that Maharishi's followers are sometimes way way out of the fold? Dunno. Did Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al get invites? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
You're right again, we're not colleagues. A comment like Stand down does
indicate that my most appropriate response would have been, Jawohl, mein
Fuehrer.
As for your assumptions about my inability to do the same research on the
Internet that you have done, you are mistaken. I have the same information you
have, but could it be that because of a thirty year marriage to a black man I
have access to information about members of the black community that you don't
have?
- Original Message
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:27:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one
insufferably rude this time. But even your comment, No, his wife is
*not* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations is not how
colleagues talk to one another where I come from. A colleague would
have said something like, Really? That is not what my information
is. Do you have information I don't have?
I'm not sure why you would think of me as your
colleague, actually.
As it happens, though, I have the same
MISinformation you do, so I don't need to pretend
not to know about it. I know where it comes from
and what it's based on.
You, in contrast, don't have the *correct*
information that I do (although a little
research on the Web would have turned it up).
Either one of us could be wrong.
Right. But in this case, it happens to be you.
There could also be cases in which a true/false dichotomy is not
exactly a productive way of looking at things.
Right. But this isn't one of them. (And yes,
I know what you're referring to.)
And there is also a statement like It wasn't evident Where I
come from, a colleague would say, It wasn't evident to me
Be interesting to hear you explain what your
sarcasm was directed to, if not to the notion
that the phrase pathetic fallacy was being
used pejoratively. But somehow I suspect my
curiosity won't be satisfied.
(I note with amusement that Barry misunderstood
your comment in the opposite direction, missing
the sarcasm completely.)
But we'll talk another time. I'm still busy with grant writing
and with getting my China team and now a Japanese kindergarten up
to speed.
Uh-huh. Not too busy to attempt a (sourceless)
self-defense, though, eh?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Main, If you take the trouble to read my last five posts about Maharishi, you'd know that your below note is unjustified. And yeah, here's how to remove 20 inches of snow: 1. Take a shovelful off the top. 2. Take a shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 3. Take another shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 4. Take another shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 5. Take the last shovelful of the top of the remaining snow. There, that's clearing a ONE FOOT AREA. I had four foot high drifts, and I live on a corner lot with a big driveway and two wheelchair access ramps and a fire hydrant to clear around, and I'm still sweating right now from doing that over an hour ago. And, oh yeah, fuck you Main. I've got a brain and I use it any way I see fit, and right now, Girish is a thug -- if you're holding back some wondrousness about this grease ball, let's hear it, and while you're at it, address the actual topic -- do you really think that Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al would be welcomed to Maharishi's funeral? Do you really think the Rajas would give any of them the time of day? Maybe Chopra, maybe Jerry, but the rest would be snubbed if not outrightly ejected from the rites and proceedings, unless they had a million bucks for Girish. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing is wrong with the idea that former close associates of MMY would be welcomed. Former close associates, who are now successful independently, are the very people who's participation would bestow credit to MMY' s legacy. The Chopra remembrances, so graciously expressed on the Huffington site, are an example of how much goodwill can come to MMY's legacy from former associates. More of the same would be gratefully received, and the 'everyone's welcome to participate' invitation is wonderful. Don't you have a large mass of snow from a record snowfall last night in Madison that needs clearing? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Hmmm, So what's wrong with this picture? Girish invites Sri Sri. Why are these two even speaking when Sri Sri ripped off the movement with Maharishi's entire schtick down to his giggle? Was Sri Sri giving Girish something under the table? Or, is Girish, you know, actually human enough to see that Maharishi's followers are sometimes way way out of the fold? Dunno. Did Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al get invites? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Hmmm, So what's wrong with this picture? Girish invites Sri Sri. Why are these two even speaking when Sri Sri ripped off the movement with Maharishi's entire schtick down to his giggle? Was Sri Sri giving Girish something under the table? Or, is Girish, you know, actually human enough to see that Maharishi's followers are sometimes way way out of the fold? Dunno. Did Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al get invites? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra's Statement on MMY - from HuffingtonPost.com
ven though I last sat with Maharishi more than 10 years ago, he left an indelible impression, as he did on everyone. His extraordinary qualities are known to the world. Without him, it's fair to say, the West would not have learned to meditate. During the Cold War era a reporter once challenged him by saying, If anything is possible, as you claim, can you go to the Soviet Union tomorrow with your message? Without hesitation, Maharishi calmly replied, I could if I wanted to. Eventually he did want to, and meditation arrived in Moscow several years before the Berlin Wall fell. In his belief that world peace depended entirely on rising consciousness, Maharishi was unshakable. The Bhagavad-Gita declares that there are no outward signs of enlightenment. The point is underscored in many Indian fables and scriptures, which often take the form of a high- caste worthy snubbing an untouchable, only to find that the untouchable was actually a god in disguise. For his part, Maharishi had three guises, and perhaps in the end they were also disguises. He was an Indian, a guru, and a personality. The personality was highly quixotic. Over the 50 years of his public life, Maharishi never lost his charm and lovability. He had these qualities to such an extent that Westerners took him to be a perfect example of how enlightenment looks -- kind, sociable, all-accepting, and light-hearted -- when that is far from the case. His presence was more mysterious than good humor can account for: you could feel it before entering a room. You could be walking down the hallway to his private apartments with the weight of the world on your shoulders and feel your worries drop away with every step, until by the time your hand touched the doorknob, by some magic you felt completely carefree. But if you were around him long enough, the older Maharishi in particular could be nettlesome and self-centered; he could get angry and dismissive. He was quick to assert his authority and yet could turn disarmingly child-like in the blink of an eye. The Maharishi who was an Indian felt most comfortable around other Indians, with whom he chatted about familiar things in Hindi. He adhered to the vows of poverty and celibacy that belonged to his order of monks, despite the fact that he lived in luxury and amassed considerable wealth for the TM movement. What gets overlooked is that he viewed wealth as a means to raise the prestige of India in the materialistic West, which was both canny and realistic of him. In the end the movement's money went to preserve the spiritual heritage of India by opening pundit schools and building temples. Maharishi was deeply concerned that he might be the last embodiment of a sacred tradition that was quickly being overwhelmed by modernization. In one way or another, for good or ill, these two Maharishis are the only ones that the outside world knew. If you came under the power of his consciousness, however, Maharishi the guru completely overshadowed every other aspect. It's shameful to say, but gurus are a dime a dozen in India and are often treated like retainers by the rich and powerful. Nothing could be farther from the truth in Maharishi's case. He was venerated by the venerable and considered holy by the holy. His capacity to explain Vedanta was unrivaled, and if he accomplished nothing else in his long life, his commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita insures his lasting name, because with acute analysis he cuts through to the heart of every verse. Imagine that someone arose in the West who definitively settled all the disputes over the New Testament and went on to exemplify the nature of Jesus. Then you might get some idea of Maharishi's impact as a guru. Around 1990 I was commissioned to write a book about him; it turned out to be the only assignment I could never complete. Even after spending hundreds of days in his presence, one could not capture him, either on paper or in one's mind. The Gita is right to say that there are no visible signs of enlightenment, but I would go further. The enlightened person ceases to be a person and attains a connection to pure consciousness that erases all boundaries. My deepest gratitude goes to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for showing me that this state of unity exists outside folk tales, temples, organized religion, and scripture itself. To live and breathe in unity consciousness is unfathomable, but in at least one case, I am sure it is real.
[FairfieldLife] Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting limits warning?
Rick, I'm *already* sorry I asked to remove the posting limits for the next couple of weeks. When you agreed to it, you said something about lifting the limits as long as no one used it to get into one of those insufferable back-and-forth arguments. Well, here's one -- two women, sometimes three, going back and forth trying to prove whose dick is longer. If I were moderator I'd set a limit on how many more replies each of them can make in this horrible dick-size contest of theirs. Don't ANY of them have LIVES? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My background is radically different from that of most people. So what seems off the wall to you may be perfectly normal in China or Greece. My guess is the good folks in China and Greece have better sense than to be anywhere near as insufferable as you are. And rude and uncivil as that reaction may be, it isn't knee-jerk. It's quite well considered, in fact.
[FairfieldLife] Fw: ...about the travel arrangements etc.
Dear All This seems to be a transcript and some other comments from Bevan's talk last night from the Maharishi channel's Global Family Chat about the travel arrangements etc. Best wishes Jai Guru Dev Michael -- Forwarded message -- From: TM Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7 Feb 2008 07:45 Subject: Maharishiji's Ceremony in India To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Rajas, Ministers, Enlightenment Course Participants, and National Leaders, Following yesterday's announcement and invitation to get a visa to join Maharaja Nader Raam and the Rajas and Ministers of the Global Country of World Peace in India, here are some details: The cremation ceremony of the physical expression of our beloved Maharishi ji will take place on Monday February the 11th, starting at about 10 am, in Allahabad, India. The accommodation currently available in either hotels or guest houses in Allahabad is limited. At the moment we have been able to reserve enough accommodation for all the Rajas and Global Ministers, Enlightenment Course Participants, and their families (couples in double room). We would ask all of the above to confirm by Thursday at noon Holland time (by replying to this email address) if you intend to travel and if you have a visa and plane reservations. We would also ask National Leaders to inform us (in the same way) how many from your country are planning to come and have a visa and plane reservation ready (for example two couples and one single) so that we may in turn inform you whether we have accommodation in Allahabad that you could use, or if you would need to make your own arrangements. Please bear in mind that if you need to make your own arrangements you may only be able to find accommodation in the nearby cities, like Varanasi, or even in Delhi, from where one could drive or fly to Allahabad early Monday, attend the ceremonies and return for evening rest. It is also good to remind everyone at this stage that according to Vedic tradition ladies are not present at funerary ceremonies grounds but they could of course be in Allahabad. Given the above-mentioned constraints we also want to remind everyone that the Maharishi Channel will be broadcasting every day the ceremonies and celebration of Maharishi's gift of Guru Dev's blessings to the world. In this way the whole world will be connected regardless of location. With very best wishes at this most profound time for everyone. Jai Guru Dev Kubera -- Bevan sent this clarification to his presentation of the same points as Kubera on the GFC last night the great event on the 11th itself in Prayag that is not to be attended by ladies (according to tradition), everything else over the 7-10 days of the time in India is open to both men and ladies and of course the ladies will be staying with their husbands in Prayag. And some other event for the ladies may be organized on the 11th in their own separate location. It seems some felt I was confusing on this point tonight. So I am sending this clarification. Jai Guru Dev Bevan - Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy..
[FairfieldLife] Fall of the Roman Empire, much like the USA today, why?
Drought water pollution did it. Somewhat like Global Warming. Our brain is over 60% water. If you feed your brain with the wrong kind of water, you are going to get fat, sick, older and dead faster than you can imagine. I can say lobbyists politicians or rigged elections or bias did it. For example: http://www.americanchemistry.com/chlorine/. Do you know how big and powerful this industry is? Some 25 years ago, some experts declared that chlorine causes cancer and heart disease and yet to this very day, it is still mixed in our water. In Rome, how did they get these chemicals into their system? Well, they drank a lot. And the bronze or gold or silver cup they used were manufactured using chemicals and are highly decorated using some deadly chemicals that once you pour that wine into that cup, those deadly chemicals got mixed into the drink. http://A1KangenWater.yourbodyiswater.info/ - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Nothing is wrong with the idea that former close associates of MMY would be welcomed. Former close associates, who are now successful independently, are the very people who's participation would bestow credit to MMY' s legacy. The Chopra remembrances, so graciously expressed on the Huffington site, are an example of how much goodwill can come to MMY's legacy from former associates. More of the same would be gratefully received, and the 'everyone's welcome to participate' invitation is wonderful. Don't you have a large mass of snow from a record snowfall last night in Madison that needs clearing? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, So what's wrong with this picture? Girish invites Sri Sri. Why are these two even speaking when Sri Sri ripped off the movement with Maharishi's entire schtick down to his giggle? Was Sri Sri giving Girish something under the table? Or, is Girish, you know, actually human enough to see that Maharishi's followers are sometimes way way out of the fold? Dunno. Did Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al get invites? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: ...about the travel arrangements etc.
No, just keep them away from the fire. We have no insurance for female TB's hurling themselves on the pyre... Is possible to provide fire in other area to dispose of wives who have become too old for sexy time or refuse plow work? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Do we have to make special arrangements for wife cages or will it just be assumed that each couple's room will have one? And some other event for the ladies may be organized on the 11th in their own separate location. Let's just hope these are organized by men. We don't need a Hindu Lilith fair breaking out. I am sooo tired of Alanis Morissette's whining about equal rights. No, just keep them away from the fire. We have no insurance for female TB's hurling themselves on the pyre...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fall of the Roman Empire, much like the USA today, why?
We all are spiritual being wrapped or trapped inside or existing in a physical or material environment. And religion is like fashion. And fashion is determined mostly by the environment, the weather, politics, and the people's health and strength, likes and dislikes, sex preferences and styles. The religion of the Romans was Paganism and their politics was Republican or Democratic that became Monarchy. Monarchy became very brutal in the way they treated their own people and so it seems in self defense, their Pagan heirarchy prodded their King to adopt Christianity or Jewish influences and that mixture of Jewish and Paganism became the Catholic Church. This church flourished and its politics voluntarily subordinated itself to the church. Then came opium or Islam. This is where we are now. Because of the Catholic Church's Boys Town anti-drug policy, the hatred brewed by King Henry VIII is being kept alive. One last note: opium or coccaine can cause a disability in the brain which can become permanent or lead to premature death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Napoleon Lupei wrote: Drought water pollution did it. Somewhat like Global Warming. Our brain is over 60% water. If you feed your brain with the wrong kind of water, you are going to get fat, sick, older and dead faster than you can imagine. I can say lobbyists politicians or rigged elections or bias did it. For example: http://www.americanchemistry.com/chlorine/. Do you know how big and powerful this industry is? Some 25 years ago, some experts declared that chlorine causes cancer and heart disease and yet to this very day, it is still mixed in our water. In Rome, how did they get these chemicals into their system? Well, they drank a lot. And the bronze or gold or silver cup they used were manufactured using chemicals and are highly decorated using some deadly chemicals that once you pour that wine into that cup, those deadly chemicals got mixed into the drink. http://A1KangenWater.yourbodyiswater.info/ - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. I thought the Roman Empire didn't fall. It just became the Catholic church.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting limits warning?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, I'm *already* sorry I asked to remove the posting limits for the next couple of weeks. When you agreed to it, you said something about lifting the limits as long as no one used it to get into one of those insufferable back-and-forth arguments. Well, here's one -- two women, sometimes three, going back and forth trying to prove whose dick is longer. If I were moderator I'd set a limit on how many more replies each of them can make in this horrible dick-size contest of theirs. Don't ANY of them have LIVES? c'mon, you're just whining because Sal told you off with your Capitalizing Everything To Make It Seem Significant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting limits warning?
Turq, you should talk. In any case, my mail count for this week is 18.
- Original Message
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 12:45:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting
limits warning?
Rick,
I'm *already* sorry I asked to remove the posting limits for the next
couple of weeks.
When you agreed to it, you said something about lifting the limits as
long as no one used it to get into one of those insufferable
back-and-forth arguments. Well, here's one -- two women, sometimes
three, going back and forth trying to prove whose dick is longer.
If I were moderator I'd set a limit on how many more replies each of
them can make in this horrible dick-size contest of theirs. Don't ANY
of them have LIVES?
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
My background is radically different from that of most people. So
what seems off the wall to you may be perfectly normal in China or
Greece.
My guess is the good folks in China and Greece
have better sense than to be anywhere near as
insufferable as you are.
And rude and uncivil as that reaction may be, it
isn't knee-jerk. It's quite well considered, in
fact.
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[FairfieldLife] Tribute to Maharishi
Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoy a tribute to Maharishi at http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5T0C8V_8s - Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting limits warning?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, you should talk. LOL!! Finally something we can agree on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Thanks, Main, There's a lot of heart in your reply. Ya cudda ripped me a new one. I apologize for my raging on yer buns. SighI guess moving four tons of snow from one spot to another spot that was mere inches from its original place on my sidewalk took its toll, cuz I'm such a cuddlywuddly kinda guy and would never do such, nope not ever. I would be drooling over the flurry of gossip if any of my list of folks showed up in India, and yeah, that crowned crew just doesn't matter. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, Your 'memories of MMY' post was interesting. May all have such wonderful memories of MMY to draw upon to soothe whatever loss they feel related to MMY - whether the loss is related to MMY's absence, or to one's own personal bitter regret of misplaced loyalty, or loss of youth whatever. I have no hard opinion of Girish. It seems that his gig is to influence Indian society to re- discover their heritage through partaking in the TMO's programs widely, en mass. It's a heavy responsibility - MMY passed before achieving it, and the prospects are uncertain. I am as dismayed as anyone about the confiscatory actions that have ruined U.S. TM communities to finance the non- U.S. movement. A key question is how much of the movement's resources are in the control of Girish. I have no delusions that woo woo rays from somewhere on the opposite side of the planet can compare with the benefits gained by experiencing Silence directly through personal TM practice. Regarding the pitifully small number of insiders who wouldn't give the time of day to former associates of MMY if the former associates were to attend the ceremonies in India: I think the former associates would be above such a snub; and would graciously allow the arrogant insiders a wide berth on their continuing path toward irrelevance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Main, If you take the trouble to read my last five posts about Maharishi, you'd know that your below note is unjustified. And yeah, here's how to remove 20 inches of snow: 1. Take a shovelful off the top. 2. Take a shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 3. Take another shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 4. Take another shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 5. Take the last shovelful of the top of the remaining snow. There, that's clearing a ONE FOOT AREA. I had four foot high drifts, and I live on a corner lot with a big driveway and two wheelchair access ramps and a fire hydrant to clear around, and I'm still sweating right now from doing that over an hour ago. And, oh yeah, fuck you Main. I've got a brain and I use it any way I see fit, and right now, Girish is a thug -- if you're holding back some wondrousness about this grease ball, let's hear it, and while you're at it, address the actual topic -- do you really think that Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al would be welcomed to Maharishi's funeral? Do you really think the Rajas would give any of them the time of day? Maybe Chopra, maybe Jerry, but the rest would be snubbed if not outrightly ejected from the rites and proceedings, unless they had a million bucks for Girish. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Nothing is wrong with the idea that former close associates of MMY would be welcomed. Former close associates, who are now successful independently, are the very people who's participation would bestow credit to MMY' s legacy. The Chopra remembrances, so graciously expressed on the Huffington site, are an example of how much goodwill can come to MMY's legacy from former associates. More of the same would be gratefully received, and the 'everyone's welcome to participate' invitation is wonderful. Don't you have a large mass of snow from a record snowfall last night in Madison that needs clearing? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Hmmm, So what's wrong with this picture? Girish invites Sri Sri. Why are these two even speaking when Sri Sri ripped off the movement with Maharishi's entire schtick down to his giggle? Was Sri Sri giving Girish something under the table? Or, is Girish, you know, actually human enough to see that Maharishi's followers are sometimes way way out of the fold? Dunno. Did Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al get invites? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY
[FairfieldLife] from e-mail Inbox FW:'Karunamayi's Love for Maharishi'
FW: Dear Friends, Below is email to Swamiji and his response from Amma about Maharishi's passing. Dear Swamiji Please be kind enough to let Amma know that on February 5th Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has dropped the body. There are many Vedic ceremonies being performed for him. As a yogi who devoted his life and teaching in the name of Saraswati, please ask Amma to remember him in her blessings. JAI KARUNAMAYI! YESTERDAY I WAS RECORDING AMMA'S TALK ON SARASWATHI DEVI. ALL OF A SUDDEN AMMA STOPPED HER TALK AND TOLD ME MAHARISHI ATTAINED MAHA SAMADHI. I WAS SHOCKED. AMMA CLOSED HER EYES FOR 10/12 MIN.SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH HIS SOUL.I WANTED TO FIRST PASS ON THIS MSG TO FAIRFIELD, BUT I SAW YOUR EMAIL AND SHARING WITH YOU FIRST. I OFFER MY RESPECTS AND PRAYERS FOR A GREAT ATMAN. SWAMIJI.
[FairfieldLife] The Times of India - Reader's Tributes to MMY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Edg, Your 'memories of MMY' post was interesting. May all have such wonderful memories of MMY to draw upon to soothe whatever loss they feel related to MMY - whether the loss is related to MMY's absence, or to one's own personal bitter regret of misplaced loyalty, or loss of youth whatever. I have no hard opinion of Girish. It seems that his gig is to influence Indian society to re- discover their heritage through partaking in the TMO's programs widely, en mass. It's a heavy responsibility - MMY passed before achieving it, and the prospects are uncertain. I am as dismayed as anyone about the confiscatory actions that have ruined U.S. TM communities to finance the non- U.S. movement. A key question is how much of the movement's resources are in the control of Girish. I have no delusions that woo woo rays from somewhere on the opposite side of the planet can compare with the benefits gained by experiencing Silence directly through personal TM practice. Regarding the pitifully small number of insiders who wouldn't give the time of day to former associates of MMY if the former associates were to attend the ceremonies in India: I think the former associates would be above such a snub; and would graciously allow the arrogant insiders a wide berth on their continuing path toward irrelevance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main, If you take the trouble to read my last five posts about Maharishi, you'd know that your below note is unjustified. And yeah, here's how to remove 20 inches of snow: 1. Take a shovelful off the top. 2. Take a shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 3. Take another shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 4. Take another shovelful off the top of the remaining snow. 5. Take the last shovelful of the top of the remaining snow. There, that's clearing a ONE FOOT AREA. I had four foot high drifts, and I live on a corner lot with a big driveway and two wheelchair access ramps and a fire hydrant to clear around, and I'm still sweating right now from doing that over an hour ago. And, oh yeah, fuck you Main. I've got a brain and I use it any way I see fit, and right now, Girish is a thug -- if you're holding back some wondrousness about this grease ball, let's hear it, and while you're at it, address the actual topic -- do you really think that Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al would be welcomed to Maharishi's funeral? Do you really think the Rajas would give any of them the time of day? Maybe Chopra, maybe Jerry, but the rest would be snubbed if not outrightly ejected from the rites and proceedings, unless they had a million bucks for Girish. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Nothing is wrong with the idea that former close associates of MMY would be welcomed. Former close associates, who are now successful independently, are the very people who's participation would bestow credit to MMY' s legacy. The Chopra remembrances, so graciously expressed on the Huffington site, are an example of how much goodwill can come to MMY's legacy from former associates. More of the same would be gratefully received, and the 'everyone's welcome to participate' invitation is wonderful. Don't you have a large mass of snow from a record snowfall last night in Madison that needs clearing? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Hmmm, So what's wrong with this picture? Girish invites Sri Sri. Why are these two even speaking when Sri Sri ripped off the movement with Maharishi's entire schtick down to his giggle? Was Sri Sri giving Girish something under the table? Or, is Girish, you know, actually human enough to see that Maharishi's followers are sometimes way way out of the fold? Dunno. Did Chopra, Bloomfield, Clayton, Casey, Jerry, Kaplan, Grey, De Angelis, Beckley, Carlson et al get invites? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re
[FairfieldLife] Phone call w/ Chalanda Sai Maa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be a special conference call with our Beloved Sai Maa tonight. Thursday February 7th 8pm Central Time Everyone is invited to join this call. Dial-in: 641-715-3842 PIN: 800212# Dear Family, There will be a special conference call with Sai Maa tonight. I think she will be speaking about the passing of Maharishi and I expect will do a teaching about loss and grieving. It should be a wonderful call and I hope you can join Lou and me on it. Thursday February 7th at 8pm central time - which I think is 4pm Hawaii time. Dial-in: 641-715-3842 then once the recording starts you enter 800212# Love you! Many Blessings, The Fairfield Seva Team
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting limits warning?
On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Rick, I'm *already* sorry I asked to remove the posting limits for the next couple of weeks. When you agreed to it, you said something about lifting the limits as long as no one used it to get into one of those insufferable back-and-forth arguments. Well, here's one -- two women, sometimes three, going back and forth trying to prove whose dick is longer. Um, Barry, *one* post on my part, and two posts each on the part of the others involved, is an example of trying to prove whose d*ck is longer?? I could make a really sarcastic remark, but I'll refrain, just this once. If I were moderator I'd set a limit on how many more replies each of them can make in this horrible dick-size contest of theirs. Yeah, horrible--5 whole posts. Why don't you apply the same standards to your unremitting back-and-forth with Judy? That's been going on, by your count at least, 14 years. And 5 posts is already too much for you? Now you know how others feel about yours. Don't ANY of them have LIVES? Look who's talking. In the pot vs. kettle dept, you have Angela beat by miles. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Growing up with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Growing Up With Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.intentblog.com/author.php?author=Mallika%20ChopraMallika Chopra - February 06, 2008 I learned transcendental meditation when I was 9. I think I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for the first time when I was 13, and for the next decade he was a major influence in my life. I remember sitting for endless hours with Maharishi -- sometimes in crowds of thousands of people, others times just with my parents and brother. Because of my father's (Deepak Chopra) relationship with him, Maharishi was someone we knew, rather than someone we idolized. When you were with Maharishi, it truly was like time did not exist. There was a sense of connection to something deeper. Maharishi was a visionary. He always spoke in grand, universal, mythic terms. Numbers were always infinite, possibilities endless, nothing too difficult to accomplish. He would talk about changing the world in sweeping terms, and then suddenly, focus on some minute detail. Since people from so many walks of life came to Maharishi, those endless hours were full of individuals who did different things, who came from every corner of the earth. Maharishi spoke a universal language that resonated with all of them. His language touched people's souls. You could tune in and out of what he said, and still feel like you were experiencing something truly monumental. As a young girl, I did not understand most of what was talked about, but I wanted to be there. I felt inspired, energetic, motivated and at peace. When we left him, I would run and shyly give him a rose, and he would give me a smile that always made me laugh. Maharashi would talk with his sweet voice and then giggle - a giggle that then erupted into a wave of laughter that tickled those in his presence at their very souls. I will always remember the laughter around Maharishi. Around him, I felt happy and free and timeless. Even though I was shy, I could laugh with abandon - a laughter that was so uplifting. I remember very clearly the evening my mother called me to tell me that she and my father had left Maharishi - for good. I was a senior at Brown University, and to me it was quite devastating because his presence had, in many ways, formed my identity. But, upon reflection, it was the natural step in a mythical relationship between a guru (Maharishi) and his disciple (my father). The comic books that my brother and I had read growing up had the same theme over and over again. At some time, the guru says good-bye, and the disciple moves on. That evening, I went and got a red rose and headed to the local TM Center in Providence. The people there had always welcomed me as a daughter, and it had proved to be a quiet haven for me throughout college. I sat in the meditation room, the rose in my hand, and meditated for over an hour. When I came out of my meditation, I felt a tremendous sense of strength and peace. I realized in that moment the wonderful gift that Maharishi had given me - the ability to connect to myself, to love myself, to laugh and feel connected to something universal. Yesterday, when my father called to say that Maharishi had left, I felt that peace again. It has been more than 10 years since I last saw him, but his gift is still with me. When my father taught my elder daughter to meditate last summer, Maharishi's gift was passed on to her. Today, I plan to spread rose petals around my house with my two little girls. To honor Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, we will meditate and cuddle and play. And, most importantly, we will smile and laugh and celebrate.
[FairfieldLife] Shemp -- how'd ya do that?...be my teacher
Shemp, How did you get Girish's photo to show up, online, in your post. I used the standard HTML tags but got nowhere. Perhaps I have to post from my email software instead of the online interface? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My background is radically different from that of most people. So what seems off the wall to you may be perfectly normal in China or Greece. My guess is the good folks in China and Greece have better sense than to be anywhere near as insufferable as you are. And rude and uncivil as that reaction may be, it isn't knee-jerk. It's quite well considered, in fact.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude this time. But even your comment, No, his wife is *not* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations is not how colleagues talk to one another where I come from. A colleague would have said something like, Really? That is not what my information is. Do you have information I don't have? I'm not sure why you would think of me as your colleague, actually. As it happens, though, I have the same MISinformation you do, so I don't need to pretend not to know about it. I know where it comes from and what it's based on. You, in contrast, don't have the *correct* information that I do (although a little research on the Web would have turned it up). Either one of us could be wrong. Right. But in this case, it happens to be you. There could also be cases in which a true/false dichotomy is not exactly a productive way of looking at things. Right. But this isn't one of them. (And yes, I know what you're referring to.) And there is also a statement like It wasn't evident Where I come from, a colleague would say, It wasn't evident to me Be interesting to hear you explain what your sarcasm was directed to, if not to the notion that the phrase pathetic fallacy was being used pejoratively. But somehow I suspect my curiosity won't be satisfied. (I note with amusement that Barry misunderstood your comment in the opposite direction, missing the sarcasm completely.) But we'll talk another time. I'm still busy with grant writing and with getting my China team and now a Japanese kindergarten up to speed. Uh-huh. Not too busy to attempt a (sourceless) self-defense, though, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude this time. Takes one to know one. Angela, generally your comments are so off- the-wall I don't bother responding, but just for the sake of argument, I'll post the only 2 comments you could be referring to along these lines: I'd be willing to bet the farm (almost) that there won't be any proof, or even an attempt. (to provide evidence) And: My reaction too. Would somebody tell me where Angela sees all these falling buildings? Did she have a front-row seat during the blitz? Are they some tourist attraction or something? (This in response to your claim that you had seen a lot of buildings fall down.) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Dr. Pete
Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The late guru rattled, then transformed, Iowa town | DesMoinesRegister.com | The Des Moines Register
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[FairfieldLife] India
I thought that saints weren’t cremated. Wrong? Dear Meditating Family, As our beloved Maharishi has now been welcomed by Heaven we want to cordially invite you, should it be your wish and convenience at this time, to join Maharaja Nader Raam and all his Rajas and Ministers and all the members of Maharishi’s worldwide family assembling in India in the coming days. You may extend this invitation to anyone in the family of Sidhas and Meditators in your area as you wish. Please note that the Directors should consider going to India only if they have someone who can continue with their Conference series. The duration of the stay in India would be a week to ten days and then we will all return to our countries with the great momentum that Maharishi-ji has given us to establish the Tower of Invincibility for our country and to offer all of Maharishi’s programmes that are, alone in our world, truly capable of giving enlightenment to any individual and invincibility to any nation. It will be good to take this email to the Indian embassy. The respective embassies will kindly expedite the visa for you. The cremation ceremony of the physical expression of our beloved Maharishi ji will take place on Monday February the 11th, starting at about 10 am, in Allahabad, India. The accommodation currently available in either hotels or guest houses in Allahabad is limited. At the moment we have been able to reserve enough accommodation for all the Rajas and Global Ministers, Enlightenment Course Participants, and their families (couples in double room). We would ask all of the above to confirm by Wednesday at noon Holland time (by replying to this email address) if you intend to travel and if you have a visa and plane reservations. We would also ask National Leaders to inform us (in the same way) how many from your country are planning to come and have a visa and plane reservation ready (for example two couples and one single) so that we may in turn inform you whether we have accommodation in Allahabad that you could use, or if you would need to make your own arrangements. Please bear in mind that if you need to make your own arrangements you may only be able to find accommodation in the nearby cities, like Varanasi, or even in Delhi, from where one could drive or fly to Allahabad early Monday, attend the ceremonies and return for evening rest. It is also good to remind everyone at this stage that according to Vedic tradition ladies are not present at funerary ceremonies grounds but they could of course be in Allahabad. Given the above-mentioned constraints we also want to remind everyone that the Maharishi Channel will be broadcasting every day the ceremonies and celebration of Maharishi's gift of Guru Dev’s blessings to the world. In this way the whole world will be connected regardless of location. With the warmest feelings for you and your entire country at this time, and with greatest appreciation for the singular role of all the Governors and Sidhas and Meditators of your country to raise it to Invincibility as Maharishi’s gift through Guru Dev’s unbounded blessings, Jai Guru Dev Benjamin Feldman Kubera Maharishi University of Management Station 24 6063NP The Netherlands No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 8:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale of Two Trinities
the beginning of `vertical' seeking, which proceeds until (courtesy of their `pushing' grace) one succumbs... I think I just cracked the code of all this spiritual stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, would you please post this on your website and kindly remind me how to access fairfieldlife. thanks, Rick, it was nice seeing you in coralville last July bax A Tale of Two Trinities The Trinity of Godhead is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, where the Father is a dense mass of self-knowledge (the true import of `I', who alone never says `I'), the Son is the reflection of the Father as the pure `I am', proclaimed by another person, and the Holy Ghost is this same pure `I am', recognized in oneself as the feeling of i-ness, central to each experience - the reflection of the Father which is not seen as belonging to another person, but which is identified in ourselves (after all, this feeling of i-ness is somehow holy and rather elusive or ghost-like). the trinity of the experience of God is the Son, the Holy Ghost and you, and is quickened when you notice that the i-ness of the Holy Ghost (the sense of i-ness within you) is the same as the i-ness of the Son (the proclaimed i-ness `outside' of you). This resonance between the two is letting the Son into your Heart, and the beginning of `vertical' seeking, which proceeds until (courtesy of their `pushing' grace) one succumbs to the Father's Gravity (`pulling' grace with a capital `G'), and glimpses Him Alone in His Majesty. After this, all forms of His reflection (ego, ghost and son) begin to fade away, soft like butter compared to His black-diamond Density and Silent brilliance. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 8:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] The Giggling Guru, Gotham Chopra
HYPERLINK http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2008/02/the_maha_man.htmlhttp://www.int entblog.com/archives/2008/02/the_maha_man.html The Giggling Guru Gotham Chopra - February 06, 2008 One of the more interesting parts of growing up Chopra, was the range of people my sister and I were exposed to - from celebrities to heads of state to Nobel laureates and all the rest. As a teenager growing up in Boston, the emotional response to these experiences ranged from titillation (Madonna) to indifference (Elizabeth Taylor), to total fascination (Michael Jackson). But the most memorable was the little Indian Guru that over the years became a symbol of something very primordial to my whole family. I remember the first time my parents dragged my sister and I to meet Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is some rural outpost in India outside of New Delhi. I was about 11 years old and I hated them for it. Drag is the literal case here because it was 1986 and the Boston Celtics (my boyhood favorite team) were on the run to the NBA Championship. Alas my parents decided that we needed to travel to the old country to see our grandparents and visit the ashram of some old Beatles Guru that they had become enamored with. This caused considerable family friction: if Larry Bird was my Luke Skywalker, the dude known as Maharishi had literally just become my Darth Vadar. In those days, India was not the bustling land of plenty and opportunity it is today. Getting to India in the first place was a hell of an ordeal. Getting to Noida where Maharishi's ashram was involved taking a convoy out to what appeared to be the sticks. The upshot was that almost since my father's first encounter with Maharishi, he had been mysteriously seemingly anointed the chosen one by the movement that surrounded the Guru and hence we were treated with an overt sense of deference and importance. In India this meant getting an escort of Maruti cars from Delhi to Noida almost upon landing at the airport in the middle of the night. That was just the beginning of the mysterious journey. Once we we arrived in the ashram, a quiet compound awash with candlelight and the fragrance of fresh flowers, we were sequestered to a room where we waited, and waited, and waited. It was truly an exercise in patience and endurance, to wait for hour on end in pursuit of an encounter that meant nothing to me. Finally, about 9 hours in, I was handed an ice cream cone by one of the movement handlers and we were escorted into a massive auditorium where a few thousand people seemed to be seated. At the head, atop an flower covered pedestal sat the diminutive Maharishi. As the VIPS that we were, we were ushered to the front row and seated in full view of his holiness. He seemed to be midstream on a long dissertation about the meaning of life which to my 11 year old brain, really didn't register as highly important. He didn't as much as blink upon our entrance, take an extra breath or make an aside glance to acknowledge our presence. He just droned on. But then, a moment later, he stopped. And he stared down at the four of us, my parents, sister, and I. It was as if he had stopped mid-sentence, mid-thought even. And he just stared at me. And pointed at me. Despite my 11 year old hubris, I was shrewd enough to know that this was a big deal and all of a sudden the glare of the spotlight burned right through me. Maharishi paused and spoke into his microphone, come here, you can? I stared at my father unsure what to do. Go, go... He urged. I gestured to my older sister Mallika to come with me and she just shook her head. Go dummy, she whispered. So with the hushed glared of a thousand eyes on my back I staggered forward awkwardly. After a seeming eternity, I stood in front of the great Maharishi. I knew from the Indian comic books that I collected that you were supposed to bow down and touch the feet in a show of respect to these old Sadhus. Not sure what else to do, I started to get down to my knees, balancing my ice cream cone in my hands. Maharishi laughed and reached out and stopped me. No...no...no... he giggled. Americans do not bow down at the feet of anyone, he said. I stared at him awkwardly not sure how to respond, holding my ice cream cone tenuously. Um, I'm not really American... I divulged the great discomfort of my upbringing as the son of a an immigrant raised in America, the only brown Celtics fan I really knew. Indian? Maharishi giggled back at me. Not really... the flip side of my identity conflict was now out in the open for everyone to see. Maharishi nodded slowly. I looked in his eyes. There was a gentleness to them, something very comfortable that put you at ease. Then what are you? He inquired. Um... I stammered. Um, I don't know. I guess I am...I'm just uh. I guess I just am...? And he started to laugh again, this sweet innocent infectious laugh. All these years, he started to speak. I have meditated and studied, he giggled even louder, to come upon this revelation that you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my black grandmother-in-law would have said to this, Don't you be teaching your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey. It was suck eggs in my family. I'm glad to know you realize that pathetic fallacy isn't pejorative. That wasn't evident, to say the least, from what you wrote that I was responding to. You appeared to be defending (via sarcasm) the poets who use the pathetic fallacy as if you believed the term was being used to attack them. And, by the way, I wasn't going to dignify your remarks to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of their rude and uncivilized manner, You mean, rude and uncivilized because I said, No, his wife is *not* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? Or was it because I asked, Where did you pick up that bit of misinformation? After some experience of your reluctance to cite your sources, I can understand why that request would seem offensive to you. but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to hint again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable. Oh, very true, Angela. But it wasn't I who cited Wikipedia on this issue. I'm afraid you must have me confused with someone else. Any time you feel like citing your source for the Michelle Obama misinformation, I'll be happy to set you straight and point you to an authoritative source. From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon. In literature, the term is used in a neutral sense, Angela. It isn't pejorative; stand down.
[FairfieldLife] Deepak on MMY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Across The Universe controversy (Maharishi drops the body)
So, Curtis, you're saying they are or they are not coming To Serve Man? With a parsley garnish and a wedge of lemon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging how humans have treated each other on this planet I suspect that the chances of extraterrestrials using us for some kind of plant fertilizer or snack food is way higher than the chances that they are gunna give us IPhones with supercomputer powers or the cure for cancer. This is an excellent point. So, Curtis, you're saying they are or they are not coming To Serve Man? --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 862 years from now, the whole of humanity might get a loud banging on the front door. Judging how humans have treated each other on this planet I suspect that the chances of extraterrestrials using us for some kind of plant fertilizer or snack food is way higher than the chances that they are gunna give us IPhones with supercomputer powers or the cure for cancer. This is an excellent point. I was told by someone whom I thought was authoritative (at the time) that when the Beatles sang this song to Maharishi, Maharishi cried. Since John wrote it before Rishikesh but didn't finish recording and release it till after, I think this must be a myth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Lurk, It turns out that even Maharishi's synchronicity karma has its controversial aspect. Some folks are pissed about the sending of that Across The Universe beam to the North Star (which won't receive the message for 431 years.) Here's why: Scientists who are involved with SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) have a sub-group that wants to not just listen for messages from space but to also SEND messages outwards to whomever is listening. But who is listening? asks many a concerned citizen. The METI (Messages Sent to Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) folks are unapologetic about their representing six billion people without so much as a raising of hands about whether any message at all should be sent. Although TV, Radio and especially Radar waves/beams have been sent from Earth millions of times in the last century, most of these messages that would alert aliens about us are garbled and lost in the interstellar vast reaches filled with gas clouds and many other beam-attenuating physical attributes of the universe. Military radar beams are the most coherent and go the farthest before being smushed about so much that they blend with the background noise. It turns out that there has been very few beams that could have gone very far and there are not that many stars within a 200 light-year wide sphere that could have caught one of our beams by now. So far then, it is probably not that big an issue given how rare alien intelligence is computed to be. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation ) But opponents of METI warn that sending out messages as we did with the Across The Universe song could be very powerful and go much farther, because the machinery transmitting the beam is advanced, powerful and coherent. At this Web site, http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=834 , there's a discussion about this issue -- this thread was created before the present Across The Universe event, but all the nuances of the topic are nicely covered. I even chimed in on the thread with a nice piece about G.O.Dbut how could I not have, eh? I think this background information gives the Across The Universe message much more meaning to the scientific community in general and those involved with Maharishi in particular than any newspaper accounting might suspect. The song was sent out, riding one of the greatest power-beams that earth-science can muster, to a star that the TM Siddhi Program has selected as one of its spiritual foci. It is hard to imagine a more serendipitous synchronous symbol for us, for the world, and for the scientific community once they get what they've inadvertently done. 862 years from now, the whole of humanity might get a loud banging on the front door. I was told by someone whom I thought was authoritative (at the time) that when the Beatles sang this song to Maharishi, Maharishi cried. I completely believe that story even now. What hath Maharishi wrought in all our paper cups? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Pretty cool synchronicity that Across the Universe was being sent out across the cosmos at the same
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: my saint, my brain, my heart.
Sweet, Edg. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If ever you were a true believer, I've got the best news possible. Maharishi is our symbol in common, and from a strictly scientific approach, let's see if a case cannot be made for us to honor Maharishi in just about every way a person can be honored. Obviously I am on record here excoriating the thugs he put into power over the movement, and I have probably even taken a few shots at Maharishi, personally, too, as I tried to gain the clarity about what I did WITH him. This word with needs an essay, and here it is. Weep not for Maharishi, the lost movement, the billions hidden in Girish's rolls of fat, nor weep for thee, the bells I hear tolling are pealing a song of bliss. Let's get scientific. The brain remembers stuff. Agreed? You can, right now, remember things you experienced in your childhood. But science tells us, whew, it's so much more than that. Proof? They can stick an electrode into a certain part of your brain, turn on the juice, and WHAMMO, you are not only remembering a past event, you ARE RE-LIVING IT, nay, you are LIVING it with all the plenitude of being inside a Star Trek holodeck. The brain gots data up the yin and out the yang with such detail preserved that it simply staggers the intellect. Got that? Inside the brain are physical structures that are exact duplicates, sorta, that are maintained over decades of time. These structures can only be living tissue that is constantly taking in nutrition and expelling waste and keeping the lines humming -- just in case one's attention goes to these parts of the body. Pick up the phone, and there's the dial tone. Here's the deal: inside me is all the Maharishi data, on call, at the ready, pulsating. Not that any memory is especially handled. I can remember trying to pee my name in the snow too, but consider not mine but your own brain's contents in this regard. Are you not chocked full of material, and did your interpretation and assigned meanings not also get stored also? Example, if you ever gave Maharishi a flower as he pulled himself through a crowd one sacredly offered stem at a time, did not that experience get stored with all the awe and love and sweetness that you felt at that moment? Is that not right this very moment BUZZING inside you? I just remember one of my flowers to him, and, yep, there's 'tis, a nice warm fuzzy feeling THAT'S ALWAYS THERE FOR ME TO ATTEND, if I wish to. Well, for 29 years+ I used Maharishi as my symbol of holiness, and I used him as a living model of what I'd love for me to be if I ever get enlightened. And that dynamic was part of all my stored memories of him. No matter what he really was. No matter what he really was. No matter what he really was. Got it? No matter what he really was, he really was holy to me when I input his data into my brain, and it's all inside there right now, and let me underline this: IT'S BUZZING. I am very happy with most of what I put in there. For 29 years, I poured thought after hope after love after good intent after high resolve after goal of spirituality into my living pulsating brain - - Maharishi was my tag that I put on all my steps towards perfection -- like a picture of a Roll Royce on the frig of an Amway person, see? A Mary Kay pink Cadillac, see? Oh no, no way, Maharishi is not dead, not for anyone. Doesn't matter who he really was. Now, here's the good part: I have brimmed myself with the buzzing of holiness. Whether dreaming or merely deciding what next to do in waking life, I've got -- SCIENCE SAYS SO -- billions of neural connections that are just champing to get my attention -- each one equally vying for my spotlighting them with awareness. Oh, the bad parts of me buzz too, and yeah, they can grab a spotlight, commandeer a microphone, do a knee jerk before I get control back, but because of Maharishi, overwhelmingly, mostly what I can pay attention to are the buzzes of me that, even now, are wanting to be good, wanting to be holy, wanting to be higher, better, nicer, sweeter, smarter, and on and on. Doesn't matter who he really was; I used him as my symbolic inspiration to pump my brain with goodies instead of baddies. Now, when a child offers me a flower -- let's say it's merely scribbles of crayon on paper -- I have tons of handy memories that can be channeled into this moment with the child. I can smile beneficently just like Maharishi did when he took my flower, ya see? I can love this child's innocence as I imagined Maharishi loving my own. I can pull myself closer to this child by taking the paper rose. Using the symbol Maharishi, I practiced goodness -- I defined the goodness for the most part, but he was always my symbolic pot of gold at the end of enlightenment's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: ...about the travel arrangements etc.
Do we have to make special arrangements for wife cages or will it just be assumed that each couple's room will have one? And some other event for the ladies may be organized on the 11th in their own separate location. Let's just hope these are organized by men. We don't need a Hindu Lilith fair breaking out. I am sooo tired of Alanis Morissette's whining about equal rights. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All This seems to be a transcript and some other comments from Bevan's talk last night from the Maharishi channel's Global Family Chat about the travel arrangements etc. Best wishes Jai Guru Dev Michael -- Forwarded message -- From: TM Admin tmadmin@ Date: 7 Feb 2008 07:45 Subject: Maharishiji's Ceremony in India To: miketoomey@ Dear Rajas, Ministers, Enlightenment Course Participants, and National Leaders, Following yesterday's announcement and invitation to get a visa to join Maharaja Nader Raam and the Rajas and Ministers of the Global Country of World Peace in India, here are some details: The cremation ceremony of the physical expression of our beloved Maharishi ji will take place on Monday February the 11th, starting at about 10 am, in Allahabad, India. The accommodation currently available in either hotels or guest houses in Allahabad is limited. At the moment we have been able to reserve enough accommodation for all the Rajas and Global Ministers, Enlightenment Course Participants, and their families (couples in double room). We would ask all of the above to confirm by Thursday at noon Holland time (by replying to this email address) if you intend to travel and if you have a visa and plane reservations. We would also ask National Leaders to inform us (in the same way) how many from your country are planning to come and have a visa and plane reservation ready (for example two couples and one single) so that we may in turn inform you whether we have accommodation in Allahabad that you could use, or if you would need to make your own arrangements. Please bear in mind that if you need to make your own arrangements you may only be able to find accommodation in the nearby cities, like Varanasi, or even in Delhi, from where one could drive or fly to Allahabad early Monday, attend the ceremonies and return for evening rest. It is also good to remind everyone at this stage that according to Vedic tradition ladies are not present at funerary ceremonies grounds but they could of course be in Allahabad. Given the above-mentioned constraints we also want to remind everyone that the Maharishi Channel will be broadcasting every day the ceremonies and celebration of Maharishi's gift of Guru Dev's blessings to the world. In this way the whole world will be connected regardless of location. With very best wishes at this most profound time for everyone. Jai Guru Dev Kubera -- Bevan sent this clarification to his presentation of the same points as Kubera on the GFC last night the great event on the 11th itself in Prayag that is not to be attended by ladies (according to tradition), everything else over the 7-10 days of the time in India is open to both men and ladies and of course the ladies will be staying with their husbands in Prayag. And some other event for the ladies may be organized on the 11th in their own separate location. It seems some felt I was confusing on this point tonight. So I am sending this clarification. Jai Guru Dev Bevan - Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy..
[FairfieldLife] additional Deepak Chopra family blogs remember Maharishi on Beliefnet
the entire Chopra family now has posts on their Beliefnet blog: same as on Huffington Post blog: The Three Maharishis (by Deepak Chopra) http://blog.beliefnet.com/choprafamily/2008/02/the-three-maharishis-by-deepak-1.html his son: Meeting Maharishi (by Gotham Chopra) http://blog.beliefnet.com/choprafamily/2008/02/meeting-maharishi-by-gotham-ch.html his daughter: Growing Up with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (by Mallika Chopra) http://blog.beliefnet.com/choprafamily/2008/02/growing-up-with-maharishi-mahe.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY as Britney?
Good point. At work when I read these zillion posts I don't have the time to really read that much. However, my initial reaction is that I was turned off by so much negatavity. Although you say that many posers who criticize him do not imply that they would have done better I disagree. They might not consciously imply it, I would rather say that they leave that distinct impression with me. The bitter carping I've read sounds more often than not to be childish rants by people who feel personally slighted by MMY. Which brings me to a big point: TM was not something that was forced on me or on any other person I have ever met. That we all approached it with our own individual expectations, some of which were met and others that were not met is the way life is. To go on and on about how evil MMY and his organization has done this and that, well I'm sorry. No one forced me to get initiated, or spend what was then $3000 on the siddhis. I did it for my own reasons and I do not regret making those choices. I have many regrets about a whole bunch of other issues that came about over the years of my involvement. But I do not feel it right to blame MMY. He might very well have misled people. Ok, that's fine. History will be the judge, God Almighty (whatever that is) will be the judge. I do not feel that it is my place to tear him to pieces after his death and vilify him as so many here have done. It seems to be a huge indulgent over reaction with the sounds of a spoiled child ranting at their psuedo-parent. These are my impressions. Those people who have spoken in more moderate tones and show a balanced perspective will have my respect. Those who are just hell bent on making MMY sound like a criminal, madman, scheister, conman, you name it, are speaking with a mouth full of sour grapes. Let them start a movement of spiritual regeneration and spread whatever message they want and not stumble. Let them do better. Let them show better. If we want to discuss what issues we had or have with MMY and his legacy, let it be done without the frothing at the mouth. I'm all for venting and saying this was my experience, but I have less patience with those who have nothing much other than anger, resentment and rage to say. Or you know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this rage has to find an outlet and we have to accomodate what it is trying to say. I don't know, maybe I have to make room for those feelings as well Regards, Fred --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 no_reply@ wrote: A newbie here, former TM'r/siddha, yada yada. You might find more insightful responses to your posts here if you skip the group scolding (Which gets kinda old) and respond to specific writers. If you stick around you might find that the posters here are also like you, as you pointed out about MMY. Many posers who criticize him are not implying that they would have done better. Not everyone shared his goals or assumptions. Don't hold back on personal stories. I'm already caught up with the latest Britney details and inquiring minds want to know! I have just glanced through the many posts in the last few days, as there are just too many to read. Few thoughts: - unexepected outpouring of rage, disgust, baseless hatred, disrespect, sarcasm. - expected outpouring of grief and loss - seems to me that for way too many people his passing (did anyone think he would live forever?) has provided a seductive outlet for externalization of beliefs, ideas, feelings, disappointments, etc. - way too few people see him as a person and are falling all over themselves to de-personalize him. Pity. He was just like you and me. - Why do people buy the magazines and newspapers that hire papparatzi to hound Britney? Same reason people can't say enough negativity about MMY. The resounding implication is that the speaker would have done better in MMY's place. Mountains of such hubris will never fill up the emptyness. - I met him once years ago but frankly telling my stories about him right now just feels like a bit like trying to discuss a side bar item at the Paris 1919 Peace talks.not the right timemaybe another day. regards, Fred
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Michael wrote: You're welcome - it was a real pleasure to listen to that intently. I actually got the recording from a colleague- you might be interested in his commentary as well: Thank you so much (I am very interested) and I'm glad people have the courage to share these old teachings and keep the record straight. An honest love for maintaining real purity. I do hope those who have any such relevant tapes for the sharing will again contact me as I'd be honored to host them at high-speed download for several months. Thanks again. What a wonderful gesture and kindness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit Ramanand Shastris predictions for 2008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: This arrived via email today. I thought maybe we could refer back to it as the year progresses, checking to see if Pundit Shastri is accurate. Excerpt: From Oct 15 Nov 8, 2008. This is a very good time for the USA. There will be a very big change in politics. Like anybody couldn't predict that! My favorite was the shocking revelation that: Some people will create problems and some terrorists will create problems for the USA. Especially Muslims are not peaceful at this time. I'm making a special note of those dates so that I can notice these special periods when a lack of peacefulness breaks out for certain Muslims. It should be obvious when that happens. OTOH I was thrilled to see that Americans will be relaxed and happy in the Summer time. Who knew! I'm predicting an increase in vacations during that period as well although I may have to recalculate to make sure. And most exciting to me was the news that US relations with Poland and Switzerland will improve. Damn, I was white-knuckling that one! With the possibility of Switzerland opening up another can of asswhup for America this is welcome news. Exciting as well may be the breaking of the kilbassi sausage boycott we are experiencing with Poland. That low fat turkey crap they are trying to pawn off to us in the supermarkets today does not take the place of the real deal. I don't mean to rile up the Muslims ahead of schedule but if it ain't pork,it ain't kilbassi! I could run this nonsense all day so thanks for posting this! Only one question to world renowned Pundit-ji: Pocono Downs, three year olds category, 4th race on Friday the 8th at 2:00. Does Astounding Naivete jockeyed by Rafael Bejarano win, show or place? Thanks for the laughs, Curtis.
[FairfieldLife] From Bill Eberwein Re MMY death
I spent 13 years with Maharishi. Several friends wrote to tell me of his passing. I wrote a few words in reflection. MMY died today. He had been predicting it for a few weeks. Missed a few drop the body dates, and finally succumbed to whatever ailed him. He was 91. A huge part of my life. I feel about him the way Dean Martin did about Jerry Lewis. Best thing that ever happened to me was meeting him. The second best thing was leaving him. I met him in 1971, was initiated personally by him into the teaching profession in 1972, taught around 500 people the technique and established several centers, and was program manager at the 'TM TV station' in Los Angeles, spent several 6-months retreats with him, and left the movement (as we called it) in 1985. He was an enigma. Claiming to be a world teacher, his real aim was to re-elevate Indian culture and influence. He often spoke in harsh terms about the Chinese, and was dismissive of any claims from other traditions until they had been veda-ized. Even science, which he used to underpin his meditative practice, was seen as the sterile though poetic expression of the Life Force -The Science Of Creative Intelligence. In the last 15- 20 years, all of the programs were explicitly Indian - from foods and dress codes, to program names. Schools have been set up in India to train young boys into the priesthood. They must be genetic Indians to have the pure sage-capacity, it seems. He never taught morals or ethics, and often gleefully counseled us to break laws if it served the purposes of world enlightenment. It was thought that meditation would naturally cause one to live in harmony with nature - and that proper civil laws were derived from nature. Therefore, any requirements or ethics were a waste of time. When enlightenment dawned, you would naturally be a good citizen. Lie to them! he told us when he made us teachers of TM. An elephant has two sets of teeth: one to show and one to chew with! So we lied about the matras - the names of Shiva - and how we selected them - simply by age - and the goals of meditation, thinking we were serving a higher truth. An odd man. Move the money from SIMS to IMS (two training organizations set up in the early 1970's) until the audit is complete, then move it back. When we told him that this was illegal, he snapped, It's my money! Go past the passport gate and then hand your passports through the fence to those still here, he told us, when many of us had exhausted our six month visas in Switzerland . Those who were leaving would pretend to be those who were staying. This was pre-9/11 and very easily accomplished. Start being late and losing their videotapes, he told us at KSCI - the TM TV station - when we wanted valuable air-time back from the Koreans, to whom we had sold it months earlier. We now wanted the prime hours for our own broadcasts, but had signed contracts. Make them responsible for breaking the contract. They're only Koreans. He was very conservative in the 1970's, telling us to cut our hair, allow ourselves to be drafted, and listen to your parents. As time went on he drifted to the left, mostly due to health-food concerns that irradiation and genetically modified food was vibrationally damaging to the soul, and the accompanying conspiratorial charges that big government and big corporations were intending to enslave people by weakening them with altered foods. Queue the Twilight Zone music. Most of his big initiatives were accompanied by wild esoteric prophesies. If we don't get 1000 people to move to Iowa, nuclear war will start. A demon is just outside the solar system, and is about to move the world into Kali Yuga (the dark ages) unless we have a facility built in India . He would simultaneously inspire the faithful with declarations that The Age of Enlightenment has dawned! or is in Full Sunshine! which we could see if we could only open our eyes. Visiting the various Maharishi websites reveal that there is a currency and a King of the Enlightened world, to which other meditators must bow and pay homage. One staggers under the audacity of the enterprise. I should write about the good times I had - which would be like the starry-eyed idealists who became Marxists until they started seeing the bodies pile up. Yes, yes, lots of days sipping coffee until dawn in a bohemian apartment, reading utopian poetry, and chasing coeds with Daddy issues. Waking up at dawn to paint signs and march against the machine, throwing rocks, the tang of tear gas, and the wild glee of having the press bringing pressure to have charges dropped. So there were days with the other flower children, feeling we were saving the world. Sipping herb teas and reading Upanishads until dawn, but the same coeds. Giving lectures on meditation, and chanting in an exotic foreign language, chided by the world in their ignorance of
[FairfieldLife] An Ex-TMer Remembers the Maharishi
An Ex-TMer Remembers the Maharishi A former Transcendental Meditation teacher I've known over the Net for some years wrote me this morning. Very moving. by William W. Eberwein I spent 13 years with Maharishi. Several friends wrote to tell me of his passing. I wrote a few words in reflection. MMY died today. He had been predicting it for a few weeks. Missed a few drop the body dates, and finally succumbed to whatever ailed him. He was 91. A huge part of my life. I feel about him the way Dean Martin did about Jerry Lewis. Best thing that ever happened to me was meeting him. The second best thing was leaving him. I met him in 1971, was initiated personally by him into the teaching profession in 1972, taught around 500 people the technique and established several centers, and was program manager at the 'TM TV station' in Los Angeles, spent several 6-months retreats with him, and left the movement (as we called it) in 1985. He was an enigma. Claiming to be a world teacher, his real aim was to re-elevate Indian culture and influence. He often spoke in harsh terms about the Chinese, and was dismissive of any claims from other traditions until they had been veda-ized. Even science, which he used to underpin his meditative practice, was seen as the sterile though poetic expression of the Life Force -The Science Of Creative Intelligence. In the last 15-20 years, all of the programs were explicitly Indian - from foods and dress codes, to program names. Schools have been set up in India to train young boys into the priesthood. They must be genetic Indians to have the pure sage- capacity, it seems. He never taught morals or ethics, and often gleefully counseled us to break laws if it served the purposes of world enlightenment. It was thought that meditation would naturally cause one to live in harmony with nature - and that proper civil laws were derived from nature. Therefore, any requirements or ethics were a waste of time. When enlightenment dawned, you would naturally be a good citizen. Lie to them! he told us when he made us teachers of TM. An elephant has two sets of teeth: one to show and one to chew with! So we lied about the matras - the names of Shiva - and how we selected them - simply by age - and the goals of meditation, thinking we were serving a higher truth. An odd man. Move the money from SIMS to IMS (two training organizations set up in the early 1970's) until the audit is complete, then move it back. When we told him that this was illegal, he snapped, It's my money! Go past the passport gate and then hand your passports through the fence to those still here, he told us, when many of us had exhausted our six month visas in Switzerland . Those who were leaving would pretend to be those who were staying. This was pre-9/11 and very easily accomplished. Start being late and losing their videotapes, he told us at KSCI - the TM TV station - when we wanted valuable air-time back from the Koreans, to whom we had sold it months earlier. We now wanted the prime hours for our own broadcasts, but had signed contracts. Make them responsible for breaking the contract. They're only Koreans. He was very conservative in the 1970's, telling us to cut our hair, allow ourselves to be drafted, and listen to your parents. As time went on he drifted to the left, mostly due to health-food concerns that irradiation and genetically modified food was vibrationally damaging to the soul, and the accompanying conspiratorial charges that big government and big corporations were intending to enslave people by weakening them with altered foods. Queue the Twilight Zone music. Most of his big initiatives were accompanied by wild esoteric prophesies. If we don't get 1000 people to move to Iowa, nuclear war will start. A demon is just outside the solar system, and is about to move the world into Kali Yuga (the dark ages) unless we have a facility built in India . He would simultaneously inspire the faithful with declarations that The Age of Enlightenment has dawned! or is in Full Sunshine! which we could see if we could only open our eyes. Visiting the various Maharishi websites reveal that there is a currency and a King of the Enlightened world, to which other meditators must bow and pay homage. One staggers under the audacity of the enterprise. I should write about the good times I had - which would be like the starry-eyed idealists who became Marxists until they started seeing the bodies pile up. Yes, yes, lots of days sipping coffee until dawn in a bohemian apartment, reading utopian poetry, and chasing coeds with Daddy issues. Waking up at dawn to paint signs and march against the machine, throwing rocks, the tang of tear gas, and the wild glee of having the press bringing pressure to have charges dropped. So there were days with the other flower children, feeling we were saving the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
You're welcome - it was a real pleasure to listen to that intently. I actually got the recording from a colleague- you might be interested in his commentary as well: I trust you received the audio file... Please let me know when you think a transcription can be completed; Maharishi's words should be disseminated by us as widely as possible in print. Also, it will be fine for the audio file to be distributed as widely as Initiators feel appropriate. It is important that Maharishi's own teaching about body-death in enlightenment is not reduced to a mere `death-dependent-heaven' concept. Maharishi taught that that concept was based in ignorance. His teaching is Heaven on Earth- not die-and-go-to-heaven. As one can see from the comments posted on the Maharishi Open University/Maharishi Channel website (my copy below), the hopeful successors of Maharishi, within mere hours of His body-death, already have begun to misrepresent what Maharishi taught about body-death in enlightenment. (From the Maharishi Open University/Maharishi Channel website, 5 February'08): Heaven is applauding and welcoming His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. A special message by His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam Announcing the departure Of our most eternally beloved His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to heaven. The special broadcast Including the message, Guru Puja and chanting Will continue repeatedly until further notice. Jai Guru Dev Ironically, in the recording of Maharishi's comments that I have distributed to you today, when asked specifically about death after cosmic consciousness, His opening statement about an enlightened person is, He doesn't go... It is such an unfortunate misunderstanding of Maharishi's teaching that H.M.Tony Nader asserts Maharishi's departure...to heaven..., that H.M. has Heaven...welcoming... Maharishi. Let us hope that H.M. recovers some memory of Maharishi's teaching during his `special broadcast', and that confusing ideas about Maharishi departing to heaven do not gain currency. Their lack of understanding of where (and what) Maharishi actually is has thrown our colleagues into grief; I know they mean well. That notwithstanding, we cannot take responsibility for ignorance, and I feel it incumbent on me today to remind the world of Maharishi's own teaching about what happened to Him today. As Maharishi states in the recording, ...nothing new happens... no new merger; no new experience. The continuity of unbounded heaven-consciousness is untouched by body death; the omnipresent consciousness cannot go anywhere- it is already everywhere. Help me spread the proper thinking. Love and Jai Guru Deva --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I see putting the tapes online did some good! Thanks whoever took the time to do that service. On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote: A recorded lecture by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi August 1970, Humboldt State College, California Student: Today in our discussion group we were discussing levels of consciousness and this rose (sic) a couple of questions. The first one is, at what level of consciousness is it unnecessary for an individual to incarnate again. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: At the level of consciousness where the development of the self is full. And that is (...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
I can recall watching that lecture as if it was yesterday. Saw it many times. Gives me the shivers now to re-read those words. Fred [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
Well I see putting the tapes online did some good! Thanks whoever took the time to do that service. On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote: A recorded lecture by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi August 1970, Humboldt State College, California Student: Today in our discussion group we were discussing levels of consciousness and this rose (sic) a couple of questions. The first one is, at what level of consciousness is it unnecessary for an individual to incarnate again. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: At the level of consciousness where the development of the self is full. And that is… (...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message not approved: Prelude to Election 2008: Mass Foreclosures
thanks: but all newspapers and magazines and TV news are the same; not connected I can't expect them to read and absorbed everything; but they can pick and choose what they want to absorb. my main thing is - to get them to ask everyone they know to go out and vote because, usually those who cheats elections - they base their work on those who boycott elections. so they steal DMV computers and computers of schools and universities. and we know they can make these computers and election machines talk. the problem is, they do not know who would be dead by the time election comes. so every time there's an election, you will read in the news dead people voted. if you followed the chad case in Florida, you would have read the same news report, dead people voted. first time I read that was in the 80's, in Manhattan. if you never volunteered in elections, you will say that does not make sense. but if you volunteered and wanted to be a delegate, whether you are a Green or Libertarian, you would have gotten a list of those who are registered Green or Libertarian or Democrat. then when you come to vote, you know they also got a list. like - they got a list of those who did not vote the last time and those who did. chances are, those who did not vote the last time will not vote this time. now tell me, who else has a list. the problem is, not one of them knows who would be dead by the time election time comes. so -- how do we find out? we get a list of those who died on November, October, and September. I'm pretty sure, they all voted. got it.. so what do we do. we try as much as possible to get them all to go out and vote. BTW: which yahoogroup are you with? R.P. McCosker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're covering too many subjects in a single message, while making it too difficult for the average reader to connect these subjects together. Prelude to Election 2008: Mass Foreclosures True or False: Most of our problems today (Foreclosures, Bankruptcies, High Interest Credit Cards, Jobs going overseas) would not be existing if JFK did not die. True or False: Julius Ceasar was assassinated in the Senate. So, there could be killers in the Senate. In 2002 Bernanke's speech, the FED committed the Great Depression. So, if there is a killer in the US Senate, it must be Rockefeller. If the FED committed the Great Depression, doing JFK was nothing. The following link is Bernanke's speech declaring the FED (Rockefeller Company) committed the Great Depression. He said it before the last paragraph. http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021108/default.htm Good or Bad: Rockefeller is a Democrat. He is the Head of Senate Intel: Mastermind. The President follows or execute or enforces the laws. The economy sucks; in Nevada foreclosure in 2007 increased 200% - doubled. The year before that, 2006, foreclosure went more than (around) 345%. That means in 2007, in Nevada, some 900,000 homes went into foreclosure, and Rockefeller was the Mastermind. Vote NOT a Democrat. The scheme to make everybody poor (Nevada Population is less than 2 million) in Nevada will become much clearer to you if you read and understand the US Democrat Top Secret PPS23. http://www.geocities.com/rwvong/future/kennan/pps23.html There it says, the plan was to keep disparity between rich and poor. BUT what do they really mean? Or what did they truly plan? There's a saying action speaks louder than words. If we are going to base it on the Great Depression, then they planned to make everybody POOR. This plan was made public by Ronald Reagan in his speech before the Conference of Catholic Bishops when he was President. That means, they planned. These foreclosures is not because of bad economy or oil shortage. It is because that is their plan. How? By making laws favorable to this plan. Like here in Nevada, you can get fired from your job for doing good or no reason at all. Like, we got no usury laws. This makes it imperative for them to keep winning elections. And if they have to kill, they will kill. http://www.rense.com/general76/jfkvs.htm http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329637177-103680,00.html Quote of the Week We have not seen a nationwide decline in housing like this since the Great Depression ~ Wells Fargo Chief Executive John Stumpf referring to the U.S. Housing Market http://www.dailyrec koning.com. au/greenback/ 2008/02/04/ Monopoly: Haven't you noticed, whoever wins this election (except when Ron Paul wins) Rockefeller (Federal Reserve - the Big Boss owner of the Irish Republican Army - assumed. If you read the IRA website like I do - starting when Clinton was President around 1995, we might come with the same conclusion.) and the KKK Democrats wins. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Y5i_BUA49RIfeature=related For example: John McCain - in 1980 when Bill
[FairfieldLife] Re: NY Times: MMY and the Beatles - (a fresh perspective in the media)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Judy, did you notice the lack of a good copy edit? The Times is getting hopeless in that area. (Usually, the maharishi, lower case, but twice the Maharishi, upper case.) Yup, I noticed! I wonder whether the copy editor capitalized those two instances and missed the others, or lower-cased most and missed those two. But it's quite well written, I thought, and gets most of its facts straight, so I'm inclined to cut the Times just a bit more slack. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm william108wm@ wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/arts/music/07yogi.html? scp=3sq=maharishist=nyt That's a *lovely* article. Almost makes up for the crummy NYT obit! Many thanks.
[FairfieldLife] DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Global memorial, India info
From: Dome Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. Global Memorial to Maharishi - in the Golden Dome tonight 2. Memorial Service in India 1. Global Memorial to Maharishi - in the Golden Dome tonight The Global Memorial to Maharishi Celebrating 50 years of Achievements in the World will be replayed this evening in the Golden Dome starting at 7:30, as well on the Maharishi Channel. The replay will continue in the Golden Dome each evening starting at 8:00 p.m. for the next several evenings as necessary. JAI GURU DEV 2. Memorial Service in India Dome Announcements has not received an official announcement about the memorial service in India. But apparently everyone is invited. For those who have already heard and are planning to attend, Dome Announcements has received this information: Dear community members, We have been informed that, while ladies are invited to come to India, according to tradition they would not attend the Vedic ceremony on Monday. Single ladies and married ladies traveling without their husbands are strongly encouraged to travel with a buddy. Attire for gentlemen at the ceremony can be kurtah dhoti. JAI GURU DEV *** DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and put the word subscribe (without the quotation marks) in the body of the message. To stop receiving DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS, send an e-mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type the word unsubscribe (without the quotation marks) in the body of the message.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NY Times: MMY and the Beatles - (a fresh perspective in the media)
On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:15 PM, feste37 wrote: But Judy, did you notice the lack of a good copy edit? The Times is getting hopeless in that area. (Usually, the maharishi, lower case, but twice the Maharishi, upper case.) Is it possible that web publication, being more expedient and immediate, are held to a different standard? Later editors, for hardcopy publication, actually read it and then further edit it as appropriate.
[FairfieldLife] From Blaine Watson
I have never made any claims to having any special kind of relationship with Maharishi. My experience was not much different than anyone else's. He was Guru, and best friend, and parents and mysterious and inaccessible and intimate and totally accessible all at the same time. He always inspired awe and respect and affection even when he was being stern and disciplinary. I met him for the first time on March 21 1975. He was in Ottawa inaugurating the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I had been meditating for 2 1/2 years and was making arrangements to head to Europe to become a teacher. We were coming back to the Chateau Laurier after lunch when a pale yellow Chevrolet Impala pulled up and out popped Maharishi. In one of the heaviest snowstorms the area had had that year. He was wearing only his silk dhoti and shahtush shawl. We were shivering though we were dressed warmly ourselves. He was smiling and happy and looked completely comfortable and warm though the temperature was well below freezing. We asked him if he would like to have a coat and he said something to the effect that our concern for him was the only coat he required. I went on, later that same year to become a teacher and met him personally again on the day he made us teachers. One experience that I have I will carry with me to the end of my days. I don't like to share it too much because it is a bit self congratulatory in a way but it does show a bit how subtle he could be in communicating with us. I had returned to Europe from teaching in India in 1982 and was living in a monastery on the Rhine River in Germany. A small group of us had been working on a project with Maharishi and he had gotten into the habit of meeting with us privately and telling us about his day; his work, who he had spoken with, where he had gone or was going to be going etc. One day he disappeared. No warning. No meeting to let us know. Just gone. I was devastated but began to think about it. My logic was that it was done deliberately because he never did anything that was not purposeful so I asked the others in the group what they were thinking. Why do you suppose he left without telling us when for weeks and weeks now he hasn't done a thing without letting us know. No one had anything more to suggest other than that he must have not had time and had to leave before he could inform us. I thought there was more to it than that. My thinking was that if it was deliberate then it must be that he wanted us to be devastated. He must have wanted us to feel the grief of being without him. I thought this purely on the basis of my own experience. That was and continued to be my reaction while he was gone. One evening several days later, I was down in the courtyard watching the setting sun reflecting off of the Rhine. Everyone else was inside watching a lecture I had seen already so I was alone. As i was standing there, one of Maharishi's cars drove up and his cook popped out. I greeted him not thinking anything of it all ( see how swift I can be?). hehehe. Well within minutes the courtyard was filled with people. I asked what are you all doing down here, you're supposed to be watching a lecture. They said someone had seen Maharishi's cook arrive. I said, yes, so what? They said dummy, it means Maharishi cannot be far behind. DOH I still laugh thinking about it. At that moment Maharishi's car pulled into the courtyard and there was that immediate jockeying for position that accompanies his arrival wherever he goes. I am sure they are doing it now wherever he is. One of the boys who was closest to the car opened the door and Maharishi popped out. Now for me this was the moment of truth. I figured that if i had gotten it right, and that he had left us without warning just to devastate us, then the first thing he would want to know when he got back was how we were. Were we devastated or not? Well sure enough as soon as he got out of the car, he looked around at all of us, about 300 people I think, and asked in his clear soft voice, 'How you all are?' I thought, BINGO well maybe not bingo but at least i knew that i had read the situation correctly. The man who opened the door was the first to answer and he said ' we are all fine Maharishi' and i immediately thought, no, that's not true, some of us have been devastated and Maharishi doesn't want us all to have been fine with his leaving. It was immediately apparent that Maharishi was not happy with the answer. Without acknowledging the person who said we were fine he turned and started walking inside without saying another word to anyone. I was a few feet away and as he walked by I leaned forward and quietly said to him : yes maharishi, but we are all much much better now. He stopped in his tracks and turn full face on to me, smiled bright and long and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: ...about the travel arrangements etc.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 2:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No, just keep them away from the fire. We have no insurance for female TB's hurling themselves on the pyre... Is possible to provide fire in other area to dispose of wives who have become too old for sexy time or refuse plow work? Yes, of course, the untouchables will do it the Vedic way for you! If they don't hurl themselves, we're always happy to assist, for a reasonable donation.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: my saint, my brain, my heart.
If ever you were a true believer, I've got the best news possible. Maharishi is our symbol in common, and from a strictly scientific approach, let's see if a case cannot be made for us to honor Maharishi in just about every way a person can be honored. Obviously I am on record here excoriating the thugs he put into power over the movement, and I have probably even taken a few shots at Maharishi, personally, too, as I tried to gain the clarity about what I did WITH him. This word with needs an essay, and here it is. Weep not for Maharishi, the lost movement, the billions hidden in Girish's rolls of fat, nor weep for thee, the bells I hear tolling are pealing a song of bliss. Let's get scientific. The brain remembers stuff. Agreed? You can, right now, remember things you experienced in your childhood. But science tells us, whew, it's so much more than that. Proof? They can stick an electrode into a certain part of your brain, turn on the juice, and WHAMMO, you are not only remembering a past event, you ARE RE-LIVING IT, nay, you are LIVING it with all the plenitude of being inside a Star Trek holodeck. The brain gots data up the yin and out the yang with such detail preserved that it simply staggers the intellect. Got that? Inside the brain are physical structures that are exact duplicates, sorta, that are maintained over decades of time. These structures can only be living tissue that is constantly taking in nutrition and expelling waste and keeping the lines humming -- just in case one's attention goes to these parts of the body. Pick up the phone, and there's the dial tone. Here's the deal: inside me is all the Maharishi data, on call, at the ready, pulsating. Not that any memory is especially handled. I can remember trying to pee my name in the snow too, but consider not mine but your own brain's contents in this regard. Are you not chocked full of material, and did your interpretation and assigned meanings not also get stored also? Example, if you ever gave Maharishi a flower as he pulled himself through a crowd one sacredly offered stem at a time, did not that experience get stored with all the awe and love and sweetness that you felt at that moment? Is that not right this very moment BUZZING inside you? I just remember one of my flowers to him, and, yep, there's 'tis, a nice warm fuzzy feeling THAT'S ALWAYS THERE FOR ME TO ATTEND, if I wish to. Well, for 29 years+ I used Maharishi as my symbol of holiness, and I used him as a living model of what I'd love for me to be if I ever get enlightened. And that dynamic was part of all my stored memories of him. No matter what he really was. No matter what he really was. No matter what he really was. Got it? No matter what he really was, he really was holy to me when I input his data into my brain, and it's all inside there right now, and let me underline this: IT'S BUZZING. I am very happy with most of what I put in there. For 29 years, I poured thought after hope after love after good intent after high resolve after goal of spirituality into my living pulsating brain -- Maharishi was my tag that I put on all my steps towards perfection -- like a picture of a Roll Royce on the frig of an Amway person, see? A Mary Kay pink Cadillac, see? Oh no, no way, Maharishi is not dead, not for anyone. Doesn't matter who he really was. Now, here's the good part: I have brimmed myself with the buzzing of holiness. Whether dreaming or merely deciding what next to do in waking life, I've got -- SCIENCE SAYS SO -- billions of neural connections that are just champing to get my attention -- each one equally vying for my spotlighting them with awareness. Oh, the bad parts of me buzz too, and yeah, they can grab a spotlight, commandeer a microphone, do a knee jerk before I get control back, but because of Maharishi, overwhelmingly, mostly what I can pay attention to are the buzzes of me that, even now, are wanting to be good, wanting to be holy, wanting to be higher, better, nicer, sweeter, smarter, and on and on. Doesn't matter who he really was; I used him as my symbolic inspiration to pump my brain with goodies instead of baddies. Now, when a child offers me a flower -- let's say it's merely scribbles of crayon on paper -- I have tons of handy memories that can be channeled into this moment with the child. I can smile beneficently just like Maharishi did when he took my flower, ya see? I can love this child's innocence as I imagined Maharishi loving my own. I can pull myself closer to this child by taking the paper rose. Using the symbol Maharishi, I practiced goodness -- I defined the goodness for the most part, but he was always my symbolic pot of gold at the end of enlightenment's rainbow. I used him as my way to focus on this goal of constant evolution towards perfection. How much do I owe this businessman for that, eh? He may have sold us nothing more than a charm bracelet, but I wore it and am wearing it still in that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Across The Universe controversy (Maharishi drops the body)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:06 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: So, Curtis, you're saying they are or they are not coming To Serve Man? With a parsley garnish and a wedge of lemon! Is that Ayurvedic? Sal It depends on the season. These items are needed to reduce the Kaphic nature of humans if the aliens eat us in the Spring. If they eat us in the Fall they will just cover us with ghee and a bit a salt! BTW I hear they will pick us up a few at a time with a piece from a chapati the size of one of the golden domes. It only fair, if they were smaller than us and landed in Mississippi one hundred years ago, we would have whipped them to death as they built the Mississippi river levee system (which I just read is both higher and longer than the Great Wall of China!) Wait a second... this just in...the lobsters on the planet have a special message for humans: Where do you think we all came from buttholes? We came here to make friends and ended up on plates next to melted butter and parsley garnish! Sound familiar?
[FairfieldLife] A Tale of Two Trinities
Rick, would you please post this on your website and kindly remind me how to access fairfieldlife. thanks, Rick, it was nice seeing you in coralville last July bax A Tale of Two Trinities The Trinity of Godhead is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, where the Father is a dense mass of self-knowledge (the true import of ‘I’, who alone never says ‘I’), the Son is the reflection of the Father as the pure ‘I am’, proclaimed by another person, and the Holy Ghost is this same pure ‘I am’, recognized in oneself as the feeling of i-ness, central to each experience - the reflection of the Father which is not seen as belonging to another person, but which is identified in ourselves (after all, this feeling of i-ness is somehow holy and rather elusive or ghost-like). the trinity of the experience of God is the Son, the Holy Ghost and you, and is quickened when you notice that the i-ness of the Holy Ghost (the sense of i-ness within you) is the same as the i-ness of the Son (the proclaimed i-ness ‘outside’ of you). This resonance between the two is letting the Son into your Heart, and the beginning of ‘vertical’ seeking, which proceeds until (courtesy of their ‘pushing’ grace) one succumbs to the Father’s Gravity (‘pulling’ grace with a capital ‘G’), and glimpses Him Alone in His Majesty. After this, all forms of His reflection (ego, ghost and son) begin to fade away, soft like butter compared to His black-diamond Density and Silent brilliance. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 8:14 PM
[FairfieldLife] Meanwhile... in the world of Scientology®
With the passing of MMY, it's been interesting to see the big fire storm building around the battle between Anonymous and the Church of Scientology. Youtube® has been a fun repository to check out for Tom Cruise's leaked members' only video and all its parodies, plus the videos from Anonymous challenging the church. I love the timing. Looks like the Cult of Greed in general and David Miscavige in particular are being taken to task. It will be interesting and fun to watch this play out. Hopefully, TM will not go zanny with a nutcase in charge like the CofS did when Hubbard passed away.
[FairfieldLife] Question for Dr. Pete
Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said?
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Ex-TMer Remembers the Maharishi
Beautiful post, simply wonderful. You have nailed so much of the TM experience. I am somehow reminded just now of some words from L Cohen's early poem Butcher Well, I found a silver needle, I put it into my arm. It did some good, did some harm. But the nights were cold and it almost kept me warm, how come the night is long? Subsitute needle for TM and you have what went through my mind. Regards, Fred [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Across The Universe controversy (Maharishi drops the body)
On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:06 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: So, Curtis, you're saying they are or they are not coming To Serve Man? With a parsley garnish and a wedge of lemon! Is that Ayurvedic? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit Ramanand Shastris predictions for 2008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This arrived via email today. I thought maybe we could refer back to it as the year progresses, checking to see if Pundit Shastri is accurate. Excerpt: From Oct 15 Nov 8, 2008. This is a very good time for the USA. There will be a very big change in politics. Like anybody couldn't predict that! - From March 24 March 28, 2008. This time is good for finance and the real estate business will go up. Planning will get success. Spiritual people and the Vatican will support America in many ways. The power of America will grow very fast. Vatican will give full cooperation to the USA. * Yeah, that all-important Vatican support...whoopee
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Deepak Chopra article on Maharishi's passing
Thanks for posting that, Lawson. Very insightful of the good doctor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we all know, I'm not a Chopra fan, but this is quite an olive branch, and one heck of an obit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-three-maharishis_b_85432.html The Three Maharishis Posted February 6, 2008 | 08:22 PM (EST)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chopra
The movement never really encouraged authentic, heartfelt communication. There was always a formal element there. You could express yourself, but only with the sanctioned vocabulary. So, While I felt Tony's eulogy was heartfelt, there was that stilted vocabulary that skewed the authenticity. Like a bunch of upper-class people sitting around in a Victorian drawing room in 1830 discussing events. So repressed and formal. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta tell you, I'm finding Chopra's several eulogies about MMY's passing much more genuine and heartfelt than most...and that includes practically everything coming out of the TMO. Indeed, may I even say they are more heartfelt than even Nader Rama Tony's official words. Anyone else feel that way? Some of the things he has said also make me suspect that what Judy has been saying all these years (at least I think it's been Judy, sorry if I'm wrong here) has been correct: that when Chopra split from the TMO that he formally agreed not to publicly make any declarations tying anything he's done in with MMY or the TMO. I'm referring in particular to his words to the effect that everything he has learned he has learned from MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Dr. Pete
Thanks, Peter. I would be interested in anything he might say, should you hear of it and think it appropriate to share. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sri Sri contacted all the heads of his movement a few days before MMY passed and told them Maharishi was going into mahasamadhi. He instructed that after Maharishi passed we should, honor the tradition He left it up to people to figure out what that meant. I got together with several other former/current TMers and we did a puja, meditated and then shared great Maharishi stories for several hours. The room was just blazing with love. Sri Sri was invited to the funeral by Girish, but he wasn't sure if he was going or not. I think he will though. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Peter, have you heard if Sri Sri has made any comments re Maharishi's passing, and if so, what has he said? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, is this what you had in mind with your posting limits warning?
There have been so many posts, and I’ve been so busy with other things, like cross-country skiing and work, that I hadn’t noticed squabbles were breaking out. If they persist, we’ll reestablish posting limits this Friday midnight. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 8:14 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: ...about the travel arrangements etc.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Do we have to make special arrangements for wife cages or will it just be assumed that each couple's room will have one? And some other event for the ladies may be organized on the 11th in their own separate location. Let's just hope these are organized by men. We don't need a Hindu Lilith fair breaking out. I am sooo tired of Alanis Morissette's whining about equal rights. No, just keep them away from the fire. We have no insurance for female TB's hurling themselves on the pyre...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
Yeah, Turq, that's a real deep reason. :-)
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
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Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit
this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon.
Because they're hacks who can't think of new metaphors?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fall of the Roman Empire, much like the USA today, why?
Napoleon Lupei wrote: Drought water pollution did it. Somewhat like Global Warming. Our brain is over 60% water. If you feed your brain with the wrong kind of water, you are going to get fat, sick, older and dead faster than you can imagine. I can say lobbyists politicians or rigged elections or bias did it. For example: http://www.americanchemistry.com/chlorine/. Do you know how big and powerful this industry is? Some 25 years ago, some experts declared that chlorine causes cancer and heart disease and yet to this very day, it is still mixed in our water. In Rome, how did they get these chemicals into their system? Well, they drank a lot. And the bronze or gold or silver cup they used were manufactured using chemicals and are highly decorated using some deadly chemicals that once you pour that wine into that cup, those deadly chemicals got mixed into the drink. http://A1KangenWater.yourbodyiswater.info/ - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. I thought the Roman Empire didn't fall. It just became the Catholic church.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A recorded lecture by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi August 1970, Humboldt State College, California Student: Today in our discussion group we were discussing levels of consciousness and this rose (sic) a couple of questions. The first one is, at what level of consciousness is it unnecessary for an individual to incarnate again. snip for brevity... That's nice theory and nicely put, but it hardly *fully* addresses the issue, remember, even Christ Re-incarnated as an avatara, what the hell do you think an avatar is anyway: Once again MMY doesn't answer the question regarding Kundalini and Chakras, which the student was eager to hear, MMY was merely testy with him in the end. So, once again, where's the beef!! If MMY had merely said, yes he can Re-incarnate IF it's the will of God, but since all of *his* desires are 'roasted' there is no possibility for *him* to come back, he would have done justice to the question, IMO. From Wiki below: In Hindu philosophy, an avatar (also spelled as avatara) (Sanskrit: #2309;#2357;#2340;#2366;#2352;, avat#257;ra), most commonly refers to the incarnation (bodily manifestation) of a divine being (deva), or the Supreme Being (God) onto planet Earth. The Sanskrit word avat#257;ra- literally means descent (avatarati) and usually implies a deliberate descent into lower realms of existence for special purposes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi drops the body, Questions
By e-mail, from out of town: Does anyone know who owns MUM? Are the TMO's properties in a trust? So how is Fairfield taking the news? Have ordinary affairs ground to a halt? Inquiring minds want to know? FW: How is this news affecting FF? Are people sad? Stunned? Relieved? Although for most purposes MMY has been dead for more than a decade, I assume that his physical survival has been essential for MUM and the TMO. Somehow, Hagelin doesn't seem likely to cut it as either a CEO or a guru. (I'm not sure he could still get a job as a physicist either, for that matter.) What do people think was the point of the daily pujas? Was MMY employing the energy they generated for his exit strategy? Any clues? Thanks,
[FairfieldLife] NY Times: MMY and the Beatles - (a fresh perspective in the media)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/arts/music/07yogi.html?scp=3sq=maharishist=nyt
[FairfieldLife] Re: NY Times: MMY and the Beatles - (a fresh perspective in the media)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/arts/music/07yogi.html? scp=3sq=maharishist=nyt That's a *lovely* article. Almost makes up for the crummy NYT obit! Many thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi drops the body
Judy wrote: I think it's kind of funny that the stock market took a 370-point dive today. You probably wouldn't think it was funny if you had any money invested in a savings plan. I'll bet there's a lot of TBs who are sure there's a connection. How much would you be willing to wager?
[FairfieldLife] Re: NY Times: MMY and the Beatles - (a fresh perspective in the media)
But Judy, did you notice the lack of a good copy edit? The Times is getting hopeless in that area. (Usually, the maharishi, lower case, but twice the Maharishi, upper case.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm william108wm@ wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/arts/music/07yogi.html? scp=3sq=maharishist=nyt That's a *lovely* article. Almost makes up for the crummy NYT obit! Many thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:29 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A recorded lecture by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi August 1970, Humboldt State College, California Student: Today in our discussion group we were discussing levels of consciousness and this rose (sic) a couple of questions. The first one is, at what level of consciousness is it unnecessary for an individual to incarnate again. snip for brevity... That's nice theory and nicely put, but it hardly *fully* addresses the issue, remember, even Christ Re-incarnated as an avatara, what the hell do you think an avatar is anyway: Once again MMY doesn't answer the question regarding Kundalini and Chakras, which the student was eager to hear, MMY was merely testy with him in the end. Maybe he really wasn't a yogi. Is that a possibility here?
[FairfieldLife] MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
A recorded lecture by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi August 1970, Humboldt State College, California Student: Today in our discussion group we were discussing levels of consciousness and this rose (sic) a couple of questions. The first one is, at what level of consciousness is it unnecessary for an individual to incarnate again. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: At the level of consciousness where the development of the self is full. And that is… S: (interrupting) Is this Cosmic Consciousness then? MMY: Right. S: I see. And at this point if the person leaves the body or dies if you want to call it that and goes on to wherever he goes, does he have his individuality? And if he does can he incarnate again? MMY: He doesn’t go. S: I don’t understand. MMY: Cosmic Consciousness is a state where the small ‘s’ has become big ‘S’. Self. And Self - big ‘S’ Self – means unboundedness. Unboundedness. Eternity. When the status of the individual has expanded to unboundedness, that is his status and that is he. Hmm? When the status is unbounded, he is beyond time and space. He’s all over. Once he is all over, where he can go? Hmm? S: He’s individual, but yet he’s unbounded everywhere? MMY: This is what the small self becoming big Self means. In our meditation that unbounded awareness, that awareness, it has already expanded to eternity, to infinity. Infinite is the boundary of the individual consciousness, huh? On the level of consciousness. On the level of the body he is so many feet long and so many feet wide. Individual. But his awareness is so much unbounded. When the individual is so much unbounded, and the body ceases to function, then what will happen to that unbounded awareness? Nothing can happen to It. Hmm? That It is ‘I’ capital. It. Unboundedness. And therefore, it doesn’t leave the body and doesn’t go anywhere, because being everywhere it cannot leave a place and go to another place. It cannot leave one time, go to other time. So the unboundedness is free from the boundaries of time and space. And that is why a man living Cosmic Consciousness does not go somewhere. His body goes from manifested state to unmanifested state. The body goes, he doesn’t go. S: Thank you. Could you speak a little bit on chakras and kundalini? MMY: (interrupting) Now, now, now, now, now. I’ll speak more on this, hmmm? To make it little bit more clear. What is happening… (a group enters the lecture hall) Oh, come on. The poets enter the room now. Come on, come on. I am having a poetic flight. (laughter) Now how does CC grow? How does one grow in CC? We have known it is the growth of the nervous system. Growth means transformation. Purification of the nervous system. Modification of the nervous system. Due to which that pure consciousness becomes permanent. One example will clarify this situation. Green water in a glass, green water in a glass. Now the sun is shining everywhere and the glass is in the sun. The reflection is green. This is like the small ‘s’ self- when the nervous system is not purified, it is green. The water is green, it’s not very clear. Nervous system is clouded with all kinds of impurities. Now that green water has green reflection. The sun, sun shining evenly everywhere is not green. It’s neither green nor red or no colour. It’s colourless. If we modify water, green water being modified, green becoming less and less, hmm? That means the reflector of the sun is being modified, resulting in the modification of the reflection. The water becoming less and less green, the reflection is becoming less and less green. Less and less green means more and more towards the nature of the sun. Less and less green reflection means more and more becoming like the sun. At a point, at one particular moment, the water is no more green. Completely pure. Still, the water could continue to be modified. This modification could continue ‘til the reflection has gained the quality of the sun around it. The reflection has become the omnipresent sun. It has gained the quality of the sun around it. This is like Cosmic Consciousness. The reflection then is a reflection. It has its structure according to the shape of the glass, but that the quality of the reflection is the quality of the sun. The reflection feels, ‘I am the sun’. Hmm? This is realization. The reflection which had its an identity different from the sun has now gained the quality of the sun. ‘I am the sun.’ Just like that, the nervous system, reflecting the omnipresent being, and the reflection is of a particular quality. Hmm? But with transcendental meditation the modification of the nervous system keeps on improving the quality of the reflection. Quality of reflection keeps on becoming purer and purer. A time comes when the individual reflection, the Self, has gained the quality of omnipresent being. Hundred percent. The Self is Being. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY lecture on death in CC - Humboldt
--Thanks, excellent! These teachings differ from Buddhism. Various Lamas, Rinpoches, and other Buddhist Teachers state that after the big E (and then physical death); such persons are free to do as they please as far as going someplace is concerned: perhaps in a myriad of times and places with transformation bodies. Or,not. In any event, the entity (body) is not locked into a nihilistic fate as MMY seems to suggest. Also, I don't believe he adequately answered the question. The querant was asking about the existence of a relative body, not whether it goes anyplace. If such a relative body or bodies exist after E, (as indicated by the Dalai Lama), there are many further opportunities in regard to helping entities on the Path. The existence of a relative body after E doesn't imply that the person is in a lesser state of evolution than one who simply is Cosmic and has no relative body for the purpose of helping others. Basically, MMY is parrotting the teachings of Shankara on the subject. Buddhism is more inclusive of infinite possibilities. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A recorded lecture by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi August 1970, Humboldt State College, California Student: Today in our discussion group we were discussing levels of consciousness and this rose (sic) a couple of questions. The first one is, at what level of consciousness is it unnecessary for an individual to incarnate again. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: At the level of consciousness where the development of the self is full. And that is S: (interrupting) Is this Cosmic Consciousness then? MMY: Right. S: I see. And at this point if the person leaves the body or dies if you want to call it that and goes on to wherever he goes, does he have his individuality? And if he does can he incarnate again? MMY: He doesn't go. S: I don't understand. MMY: Cosmic Consciousness is a state where the small `s' has become big `S'. Self. And Self - big `S' Self means unboundedness. Unboundedness. Eternity. When the status of the individual has expanded to unboundedness, that is his status and that is he. Hmm? When the status is unbounded, he is beyond time and space. He's all over. Once he is all over, where he can go? Hmm? S: He's individual, but yet he's unbounded everywhere? MMY: This is what the small self becoming big Self means. In our meditation that unbounded awareness, that awareness, it has already expanded to eternity, to infinity. Infinite is the boundary of the individual consciousness, huh? On the level of consciousness. On the level of the body he is so many feet long and so many feet wide. Individual. But his awareness is so much unbounded. When the individual is so much unbounded, and the body ceases to function, then what will happen to that unbounded awareness? Nothing can happen to It. Hmm? That It is `I' capital. It. Unboundedness. And therefore, it doesn't leave the body and doesn't go anywhere, because being everywhere it cannot leave a place and go to another place. It cannot leave one time, go to other time. So the unboundedness is free from the boundaries of time and space. And that is why a man living Cosmic Consciousness does not go somewhere. His body goes from manifested state to unmanifested state. The body goes, he doesn't go. S: Thank you. Could you speak a little bit on chakras and kundalini? MMY: (interrupting) Now, now, now, now, now. I'll speak more on this, hmmm? To make it little bit more clear. What is happening (a group enters the lecture hall) Oh, come on. The poets enter the room now. Come on, come on. I am having a poetic flight. (laughter) Now how does CC grow? How does one grow in CC? We have known it is the growth of the nervous system. Growth means transformation. Purification of the nervous system. Modification of the nervous system. Due to which that pure consciousness becomes permanent. One example will clarify this situation. Green water in a glass, green water in a glass. Now the sun is shining everywhere and the glass is in the sun. The reflection is green. This is like the small `s' self- when the nervous system is not purified, it is green. The water is green, it's not very clear. Nervous system is clouded with all kinds of impurities. Now that green water has green reflection. The sun, sun shining evenly everywhere is not green. It's neither green nor red or no colour. It's colourless. If we modify water, green water being modified, green becoming less and less, hmm? That means the reflector of the sun is being modified, resulting in the modification of the reflection. The water becoming less and less green, the reflection is becoming less and less green. Less and less green means more
