[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and someone should say so. I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, but I should point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for much of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid more or less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should develop his full mental potential and not be a burden on the earth): from post 180033: ...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall, courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the universe are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a very limited understanding of the world-as-it-is. Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there ever was has said so -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people do the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids go wrong. If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats who pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, but that is a religion of scientism that is much more primitive and illogical than you imagine holistic thinking to be. To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an attempt to scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in saying that natural disasters are the reaction of Nature to wrongdoing. When the majority of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The Other Side of Spiritual Growth. With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in creation touting some kind of yoga. and presenting only the pro side of living the Eastern or Spirit-based life, I have thought that there are many many people like me, and like others posting on FFLIfe, and many people here know of others, both TMers or some kind of other spiritual aspirants, who have lived the spiritual life only have things go awry as opposed to better. They do not necessarily turn into ardent bashers but they are experiencing disappointment, disillusionment and may have taken steps such as I have and many others have by getting out and pursuing an independent life. I am looking for stories, first-person accounts from people, like me, who are not out to bash what they have done, but to express themselves, addressing the disappointments and broken promises, their side of the story, how life may have taken a downturn inside of the opposite. Also, what you/they have done to create a change for yourself. Or if you/they even have. Ken, Since some have pooh-poohed your book idea, I'm going to applaud it, but with reservations and suggestions. Please forgive the un-asked-for advice. I think that a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away could be valuable, *especially* in an age where many are catching the Oprah wave and walking to groups and organizations that promise realization and/or happiness. HOWEVER, while some focus on the disappointments and broken promises might be in order, I think that you will sabotage the value of your proposed book if you select stories that tend to repeat that theme ad nauseum. What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. My fave songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, wrote a song a few years ago called Strange Waters. It was his riff on the 23rd Psalm, and dealt with his *own* walking away from too-rigidly-held Christian beliefs and walking towards something lighter and more flexible. The last line of the song reflects, IMO, the distinction I'm trying to make. It goes, If I loose my grip, will I take flight? Bruce loosed his grip on beliefs that had grown para- lyzing for him, and the result was being able to walk freely again. A similar theme is found in the video of Henry Miller that do.rflex posted last night, in which he relates the Zen parable of the student who studies his Zen diligently for many years, but who only experiences satori when, on a trip outside the monastery, he takes a prostitute up on her offer and gets himself laid. SO MUCH of the dogma of spiritual disciplines and relig- ions is aimed at getting people NOT to walk away. It's all about WE have the 'highest path.' There is nowhere you could go where you will find higher knowledge or a faster path to what you seek than WE possess. Therefore you should *stay where you are*. To leave our path is to leave the spiritual path, period. Sound familiar? It should. That was the essential message of the TMO for decades, and still is. And yet. And yet, as you say, one reads the stories of those who ignored this insistent dogma and DID walk away, and the bottom line is often NOT bitterness, NOT having left the spiritual path for good, but a sense of freedom and having walked to something better and brighter (for them) than what they had walked away from. Me, I don't think that the *particular* new thing that these people found that they had walked towards is very important. I think that the important thing -- the exercise of will and intent and personal power that made spiritual progress possible for them -- is to be found more in the act of walking away itself than in the thing one eventually finds oneself walking to. The act of walking away places one of necessity in Begin- ner's Mind, in a state where one is OPEN to new experience. It is THAT act IMO that allows one to loose one's grip and take flight. Once you find yourself flying, it almost doesn't matter what direction you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss
I find the Self to be a bit of a silly term too, but I do not clain to be enlightened either. I do know that the purifying bliss-fire that physically changes the body feels alien to me in some ways, and yet it is so powerful no being in the universe can possibly avoid being sub-servient to it, and you wouldn't want to either. The concept would be absurd, even though in the beginning you feel like you are being annihilated, and resist it greatly. Later you just give up to it. As world consciousness rises there will be no escape from it (even by those fools that will still be shouting its just attachment to feel- good! as they are submerged and consumed by its power forevermore.) What I am trying to figure out is what people mean by things like enlightenment and bliss and witnessing and consciousness, etc. Tough job. I think pursuing 'enlightenment is a waste of time and basically drives people nuts and/or makes them like some kind of autistic compulsive type gibbering on about enlightenment, , where's the enlightenment? There are a few of them on FFL. Maharishi pretty much describes enlightenment as when the body and mind no longer store karma as stress (which builds up like unwanted gunk in an engine) and also he said a million times that 24 hour bliss (witnessing sleep in bliss) is a good marker stone. I have neither of these and I don't care about that, but I have many times had prolonged periods of these, and the bliss I have experienced almost every night, is undoubtedly more like a purifying fire from Heaven (or somewhere higher) than some feelgood chillin' out thang, that the descenters on FFL think it is because they have never experienced the bliss-fire. OffWorld This lack of experience in those that criticise TM, and the fact that many TM'ers report this and similar experiences, is obviously a red cloth right in the face of people like the Turq and others here on FFL. Not experiencing much now or during their more or less short practise they panic by the thought that the technique the abandoned because of lack of patience and seriousness all those years ago actually works very well. And resort to ridicule.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Louis: I'm curious to know what you feel about Maharishi's attitude towards African-Americans and Black Africans in general (I use the term Black Africans to differentiate them from White Africans, such as Charlize Theron). I'm thinking two such instances which gave an indication to me of Maharishi's thinking in this area: 1) in a video tape from La Antilla I think it was Maharishi was asked about the then-in-place Apartheid system in South Africa and his response was: (taking a flower in hand) see the flower, see how the red of the petal is segregated from the stem, see how the thorn is segregated from the leaves, see how the leaves are segregated from the stem, (and so on). 2) After a trip to Africa, he was relating his experience during a Question and Answer session he had with Africans who had come to see him at a lecture law. The thrust of Maharishi's comments were how surprised he was at the intelligence of the questions. He gave the impression that it threw him for a loop and that he didn't expect them to be intelligent at all. Thoughts? And I'd like to hear from anyone else who got the same impressions that I did on this subject... The only person Maharishi actively sought out from the darshan-line after our TTC was a black american (he was standing in the back of the crowd) saying while handing the fellow a flower: You are doing very well, uh ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps no one would be interested in reading stories from people who were in a spiritual group or a religious group then left but then again they might for the same reason people go to AA meetings (for example) and derive comfort from hearing that other people have similar stories to their own. Ken Don't underestimate the people; many would be interested in reading about the mistakes and lack of seriousness and dedication in others. Actually millions of people loves this sort of garbage. Do you not watch american television ? And you could make lot's of $$ in dwelling and writing about their misery state.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and someone should say so. I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, ... LOL. Thanks...I needed that. :-) ...but I should point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for much of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid more or less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should develop his full mental potential and not be a burden on the earth): Should? Isn't that a tad...uh...presumptuous? That you know fersure what every human being should be doing? I'm asking because you honestly come across as if you know fersure. I'm curious as to how you know. from post 180033: ...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall, courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the universe are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a very limited understanding of the world-as-it-is. Limited? And your understanding is not? Again, I'm asking because you seem so *sure*, man. I'm curious as to how you know this. Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there ever was has said so ... Is *this* how you know fersure? Sages said so? ... -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people do the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids go wrong. Dude, do you realize how many fersures there were in this sentence? First, fersure that what these sages said was true. Second, that there is such a thing as balance that is NOT present at every moment. Third, that humans should not go out of this theoretical state of balance. Fourth, that Nature or the universe feels it has a parental relationship with its kids and reserves the right to whup their asses when the kids get out of line. I don't know about where you live, but where I live if some guy who called himself Nature took it upon himself to spank his kids with the occasional earth- quake or flood or pandemic, Child Services would be all over his ass in a heartbeat. If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats who pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, but that is a religion of scientism ... As opposed to a religion of sage-ism, right? ...that is much more primitive and illogical than you imagine holistic thinking to be. I guess I'm suggesting, Bob, that your holistic thinking feels a tad dogmatic and authoritarian to me. Essentially you seem to be saying 1) that good and bad exist, 2) that sages in the past knew which was which, and 3) that Nature is in such agreement with what these sages wrote that it's prepared to smite those who don't live the way that the sages said they should with floods. To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an attempt to scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in saying that natural disasters are the reaction of Nature to wrongdoing. We're going to have to agree to disagree about this. When the majority of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not. Or not. My bet is that life will continue to operate in the same mysterious way it has operated for eternity, and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor those who follow their holy words in the present -- has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about How It All Works, much less Why. I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. Mystery remains intact.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True. Emotions can be exacerbated by bliss. A lot of people in the world never experience the purifying power of the white-hot fire of the bliss fire-iron, and they bury emotions deep down in a prison, then they grow old and gray beings. As you stated in your earlier post no one can escape bliss. It seems to be the driving force behind creation and evolving. There are however differences in the levels of bliss-fire people can consciously contain and hence be aware of. However if you can be aware of even a little of it, and also appreciate this subtle energy or fire, you can also gradually learn to contain more of it. I think it is true that infusing the bliss-fire into your being can help with physical pain, and it can even cure it completely. It regenerates the cells. However, I think all emotion either must come out of its prison, or it must be dissolved. The bliss-fire purifies like a hot iron in a wound. True bliss, if you manage to experience it for a while, has a tendency to activate many kinds of hidden emotions, affects, feelings, bodily sensations, you have not been aware of earlier. If you cannot contain these activations and appropriately work with them, you most probably start to act them out, or you feel illness related symptoms. I suspect this phenomenon has created the interpretation that bliss is stupid. Bliss is not stupid. People just are not capable of consciously harnessing this energy appropriately. The bliss-fire includes in it both the light and the dark. It is nondual. People tend to appreciate only the light aspect, and may have wishes that it will wipe out the darkness. It won't, because the heavy, dark energies are included in the bliss-fire. If you can appreciate only the light aspect of bliss-fire, you will be in trouble. With that bias you will likely end up with the conclusion that bliss is stupid. And it does not occur to these people, who can even claim themselves to be enlightened, that it is their attitude, their perspective, that is biased.Or they are not enough evolved in their emotional, interpersonal etc. intelligence. If you can gradually learn to appreciate equally the light and dark aspects of life in yourself keeping them present simultaneously, the whole picture changes. There will be less alternation with periods of bliss and heavy ppurification, the so called `dark nights of the soul'. Everything becomes gradually bliss-fire. The people seeking something higher than bliss here are delusional, thinking that you can escape it. You cannot. The comments of people regurgitating what some guru or other said about bliss being bondage merely shows that they have never experienced the bright white purifying fire, and they think it is a game. If they ever encounter it in reality, they will likely go mad because they are not ready for it. I agree with this. Irmeli
[FairfieldLife] 'W. Regrets? Nope...
W. Regrets Almost Nothing By MAUREEN DOWD Published: June 15, 2008 PARIS nbsp; In the French imagination, Barack Obama is already the president. To the French, the Democratic primary was the general election. The word “elite” is not a pejorative here; it’s a compliment. It does not occur to Parisians that Americans will choose the old, white-haired one if they can have the cool, skinny one with the Ray-Bans, John le Carré novels, chic wife and secret cigarettes. Newsstands carry a whole magazine devoted to “La révolution OBAMA.” The papers are avidly following Obama’s post-Hillary quest to “cherche les femmes,” and on Friday, Le Figaro led with the headline that he had widened his lead over his “rival républicain.” There was nothing on Le Figaro’s front page about that other American guy who was over here, munching on langoustes at the Élysée Palace with Sarko and the seductress Carla (animated and dazzling with a midnight blue dress and a hopelessly long, thin cigarette). “You kind of wrote my political obituary tonight,” W. teased the French president after Sarko’s toast Friday night, adding that he still has six months left and a lot of work to do. In Old Europe, they’ve moved on, assuming that the American president has done all the damage that he can do. The blazing hostility toward W. has faded to indifference and a sort of fatigued perplexity about how les imbeciles de regime cowboy got into office, and how America could have put the world through all this craziness. Even as the Supreme Court slapped him back for the third time on the suffocation of civil liberties at Guantánamo, President Bush gave the keynote speech of his European farewell tour extolling the virtues of liberty. He celebrated European unity at the very instant it was falling apart, thanks to an Irish donnybrook. Paris responded with a yawn. (Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to say.) A Bush organizer asked people sitting in the back of the hall to move to the front, so the empty seats would not be visible on TV. The image of the U.S. abroad has improved slightly, according to a new Pew poll, but only in anticipation of seeing the back of this president. In a way, W. is very different from the cocky, know-nothing, chip-on-his-shoulder “Bully Bush” I followed on his maiden European tour in 2002. His disdain for Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schröder, and theirs for him, was bristlingly clear. He told the bemused French that he’d heard tell from Jacques about their “fantastic food,” and he lectured the bewildered Germans, as though they were thick on the subject, that Saddam was evil because he “gassed his own people.” This time, he left the heavy lifting on Afghanistan to the more popular Laura Bush, while he hung out with French, German and Italian leaders he likes. “Your Eminence,” he told the pope, “you’re looking good.” Angela Merkel dodged when asked at a press conference whether she would miss W., but said she liked being able to “call a spade a spade with him.” He enthused that “German asparagus are fabulous,” and wryly told a Paris audience that “my hair is a lot grayer,” assuming that the French, with their history of foiled colonialism, would know why. He seemed, all these years later, intent on spiritual absolution. In other ways, however, W. was not very different. He was still pushing, but more softly, the same refrain that turned Europe so virulently anti-American: his muscular proselytizing that sometimes military power is necessary to break up terror networks, and that there is “a moral obligation” to extend “a more hopeful and compelling vision” of democratic ideals to “provide our security and to spread the peace.” Europeans overwhelmingly agree with Scott McClellan, the former Bush press secretary, that this approach amounts to “coercive democracy,” and that the administration’s “compelling vision” on Iraq was undergirded with a brazenly untruthful and cynically manipulative propaganda campaign. On the illicit rush to war, W. ne regrette rien. He reiterated a rhetorical sop to those who yearn for a scintilla of remorse, telling The Times of London that his gunslinging talk made him seem like a “guy really anxious for war,” and that phrases like “dead or alive” and “bring them on” “indicated to people that I was, you know, not a man of peace.” The Bushes have a hard time with the connective tissue between words and actions. In this case, the words, while dime-store Western, were not the problem. The actions were the problem. W. was really anxious for war. He felt that if he could change Middle East history, he could jump out of his father’s shadow forever. A Democratic lawmaker who saw the president in the Oval Office recently and urged him to bring the troops home from Iraq quickly recounted that W. got a stony look and replied that 41 had abandoned the Iraqis and thousands got slaughtered. “I will never do that to them,” 43 said. Sounds like
[FairfieldLife] Sage-ism vs. Cluefulness
In a conversation with Bob Brigante this morning, I may have hit upon a buzzword for the philosophical chasm that seems to divide some on this forum from others. Some of us believe that sages of the past were seers of The Truth, and that what they said or wrote in the past is basically equivalent with The Truth in the present. Others of us -- if I'd read between the lines rightly, including myself, Curtis, Hugo, Judy, Vaj, Ruth, the Dalai Lama, Stu, Marek, new_morning and others -- feel that although it is possible that the sages of old had a clue, that clue needs to be assessed constantly in the present to determine whether the deed really was done by Miss Scarlet in the dining room with the candlestick. Religions tend to be based on Sage-ism. If our guy said it, it must be true. A more fundamentalist religionist might go so far as to say, If our guy said it, it must be Truth, and applicable even to those who don't believe in our guy. The path of Cluefulness might be defined more as, If some sage said it and my life experience and feedback from the world around me, including science, tends to support it, cool. But that doesn't mean that the sage in question was clueful about everything, merely that it appears that he was clueful about this one thing. The ability to have had a clue about one thing does not imply that the same clueholder was equally clueful about other things. For example, while I may find the original Buddha fairly clueful about many things, I do not extend that Cluefulness to everything he is credited with having said. I have some issues with his First Noble Truth, that Life is suffering. Similarly, while I may still agree with some of what the spiritual teachers I've studied with in this life said, I by no means extend the clue I think they had about those subjects to a state of Omniscient Cluefulness. They had their on days, and they had their off days. So what's the consensus here, eh? If the sages you revere were clueful about some things, does that mean that they were clueful about All Things? Does Occasional Cluefulness imply Omniscient Cluefulness?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss
(snip) If you can gradually learn to appreciate equally the light and dark aspects of life in yourself keeping them present simultaneously, the whole picture changes. There will be less alternation with periods of bliss and heavy ppurification, the so called `dark nights of the soul'. Everything becomes gradually bliss-fire. (snip) Pardon me, Sir, Madame: Could you spare me some Bliss? I hold out my cup, with sad eyes. No, that's ok. Where do I go, what do I do? I scared, I'm all alone. Where am I? I'm watching everything go by, fast. I'm in New York City, with my son. I see a little girl, standing behind a gate near a brownstone house, In Queens... I see the innocence surrounding her, and say, 'Hi, little girl!' My son says, Dad, what the hell are you doing? Did you see how scared she was? No, I said, I saw innocence. Look at these people we pass; Can you see the adults, stuck in their little petty ego thoughts? Do you see the innocent child, baby, tree, bird? Do you see the difference? See how it's all spinning around, now? It's really simple you know. Sorry to say, my son, is not that into meditation at the present time; And is more into beer as his meditation technique... And that's ok. The bliss is located in the oneness. It's not of the intellect, more of the heart. Babies know it. Egos don't. Simple, just drop the ego, stop thinking, Allow the energy of the mind to fall into the heart. Feel your center, your feeling center. It will never steer you wrong. The mind will cause you great grief. The heart will cause you great love. You choose which it will BE. R.G. Sunday, June, 2008
[FairfieldLife] Great Sunday reading from the magazines
A cool review of two new superlight laptops, and a call for combining them into a perfect computer he calls -- no shit -- The Barry, from Esquire's gadget guru Barry Sonnenfeld: http://www.esquire.com/features/the-digital-man/laptops-0608 A review of master adman Shepherd Fairey's new book about advertising and branding, called E Pluribus Venom. The graphics in the review alone are worth a click: http://www.esquire.com/fiction/books/e-pluribus-venom-0608 How the Web Was Won is a tremendous article made up of quotes from people you may or may not have heard of -- Leonard Kleinrock, Paul Baran, Larry Roberts, Steve Chen, Chad Hurley, Al Gore, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Pierre Omidyar, Marc Andreessen, Vint Cerf, Robert Kahn, and others -- but who changed your world forever, and continue to do so as you click on this link: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/07/internet200807?currentPage=all or http://tinyurl.com/6yn5wh The Comeback Id is a fairly scathing yet compassionate examination of the ongoing escapades of Bill Clinton, and whether he will be consumed by his own worst self: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807 No perusal of Vanity Fair would be complete without a stop at Graydon Carter's latest editorial. This one's chock-full of great facts and stats, like the U.S. alone accounting for more than half of the planet's military spending, and the Pentagon spending more money per month than the Russian military does in a year, and the mind-bogglingly non-empathic Bush mindset that led them to have Donald Rumsfeld's signature on letters of condolence to the families of killed American soldiers be done by an auto-pen, and the cremation of those soldiers to be outsourced to a pet cemetary: http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2008/07/graydon200807 A Woman In Full is for Curtis, lest he persist in the folly of limiting his erotic dreams of Angelina Jolie to her pre-pregnant astral body: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/07/jolie200807
[FairfieldLife] Privatization of the Internet?
I hope (and think) you'll see fit to post the following link on the FFL site. Check it out and see what you think of it first, then write something to go with it if you want to support the cause. This is about the plans in store for the Internet, and its scheduled privatization in a few short years. This link is a short video made by some geeks telling people what they've found out is happening and what we, the public, need to do to stop it. Let me know if you pass this along. It would make me feel glad. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XPiqhN_Nseurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk / http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XPiqhN_Nseurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dave Mallett
On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Kenny H wrote: Wow, I am very envious you went to see A Prairie Home Companion. Where did you go? I have a lot of frequent flyer miles and have thought of going to Minneapolis. Is it hard to get tickets? He comes to Maine every couple of years, so we saw him in Bangor. Tickets typically go on sale 8 months or so ahead of time and sell out in a couple of days, so you do have to be on the ball to get tickets. Dave Mallett is one of my very favorite folk-type singers, he has about 3 albums but none of them really sound as good as he does live. My favorite song of his, also much better as a live version is, Summer of My Dreams. Yes, I agree, he is much better live. He has a live version of Summer of My Dreams which is excellent. It is on Live at the Iron Horse, Vol. 1 and you can get at on the iTunes store for 99 cents. I also just uploaded another song from PHC, his classic The Garden Song. Enjoy. PS: Good luck with your book! What a great idea.
[FairfieldLife] Pith advice on Bliss
pith advice from Lama Yeshe from _The Bliss of Inner Fire_ fr. the section Discovering Totality ch. 18 Good things and Bad Things Can Happen This is very helpful in it explanation of how to use bliss to discover and experience the non-dual state and also as a warning on experiences such as spontaneous movements, kundalini problems/prana disorders and various telepathic phenomena. If bliss isn't used to fuel nondual insight and is not transformed into Wisdom, it just leads to attachment and ignorance.-Vaj. BLISS AND NONDUALITY Whenever heat begins, bliss begins. This is because of the power the absorption of the winds, the power of the short a [a component of the subtle anatomy], the power to concentration, and the power of the melting of the drops within the central channel. You really taste the chocolate when all these factors are gathered together. During inner fire meditation, it is important to recognize the blissful nature of any heat-in fact, of every physical and mental sensation that arises. You should also recognize its nature of nonduality, clarity, radiance, transparency, and its reflection-like quality, so that the bliss itself becomes the wisdom of nonduality. Also, whenever you experience nonduality, you should recognize its blissful character. As soon as we feel any bliss, we should put effort into generating the wisdom of nonduality. This is important from the very beginning. The bliss itself should be digested and transformed into wisdom. Bliss becomes wisdom, wisdom becomes bliss. Otherwise, the experience becomes one of ordinary pleasure, an explosion of emotional desire and superstition. If we constructively build up the unification of bliss and nonduality, there is no danger of this happening. If you don't have a strong comprehension of the non-self-existence of the bliss, there is a danger of experiencing overwhelming desire when you are not meditating as well. Whenever you open your eyes, many objects will magnetically attract you because your desire is aroused. If inner fire meditation produces more and more desire, you will become nervous, frustrated, and stressed. When we experience any pleasure, we normally grasp at it, and our mind becomes dark, overwhelmed, and uncontrolled. Our pleasure becomes an obstacle that blocks us, like a wall; it is so concrete that we cannot see beyond it. This comes about because we do not understand the fundamental nondual nature of existence. Without this understanding, inner fire meditation can produce tremendous sensory energy. If we are not careful and do not channel the energy in the right way, inner fire can produce tremendous desire. However, this does not mean that we should not have pleasure. We should have pleasure! We can have incredible pleasure, but it has to be controlled so that it can be transformed into clean-clear penetrative wisdom. It is good for human beings to experience pleasure, but it is wrong to experience it without wisdom. The unique quality of tantra is that it always unifies the male energy of bliss with the female energy of wisdom. These two must always occur together. We must put effort into ensuring this, because for so long this has not been our habit. Remember, the right inner fire should bring the unification of bliss and the wisdom of nonduality. It is dangerous to forget this, because inner fire meditation is a very sensitive technique. Something will definitely happen, and if good things are not happening, bad things surely will. UNCONTROLLED KUNDALINI According to Lama Tsongkhapa, to melt the kundalini at the crown effectively, the inner fire must be ignited at both the navel and secret chakras and the winds must absorb into the central channel. This brings the yogi or yogini the experience of the four joys. He points out that ordinary people, whose airs have not even entered the central channel, can also experience the melting of kundalini when the navel and secret chakras are energized. This is what causes ordinary orgasm. Some people experience this uncontrolled flow of kundalini during meditation. Simply by performing the vase breathing meditation, they experience blazing of the inner fire and melting of the kundalini. Blissful kundalini seems to come from everywhere, like falling rain. When this happens, there is danger of losing control of the kundalini energy. A man, for example, would lose semen. Lama Tsongkhapa says that it is not desirable to have the kundalini flow uncontrollably. It is not correct to do inner fire meditation in the morning and have the kundalini flow spontaneously in the afternoon. There is a danger that it will merely increase ordinary physical desire. Because kundalini is the main resource that we use in inner fire meditation, it is important for both males and females not to lose their sexual energy. Naturally, as beginners, we will find it difficult to control the energy when we experience it strongly; we have limited concentration and have not yet
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected rivers and entice them to settle down. Why? Possibly because it's not that the rivers are misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't, um, have any choice about overflowing their banks when there's been a great deal of rain pouring more water into them than those banks can accommodate. Ya think? Because that would actually be putting their theory to the test, Because any effect generated by the flyers has to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is put to the test just as much when the flyers stay in Fairfield.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
If there's anything to be repented, it's the notion that building cities on the banks of rivers is a good idea. Bob wrote: Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall, courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river: Should have been built according on Vastu priniciples on a hill at least 35 feet in height. In addition, a large dam should have been constructed up river.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sage-ism vs. Cluefulness
TurquoiseB wrote: In a conversation with Bob Brigante this morning, I may have hit upon a buzzword for the philosophical chasm that seems to divide some on this forum from others. Some of us believe that sages of the past were seers of The Truth, and that what they said or wrote in the past is basically equivalent with The Truth in the present. First, you've got to define 'sages' - it's a fact needing no comment that several 'sages' were outright rascals, so can you still call them a 'sage'? I seriously doubt that anyone posting here believes that sages of the past were seers of 'The Truth' - this sounds more like a red-herring or some kind of baiting, very trollish behavior. Lenz has claimed to be one of only twelve truly enlightened people on Earth. The enlightened twelve also, he claimed, included his dog Vayu. Source: Frederick Lenz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Lenz Others of us -- if I'd read between the lines rightly, including myself, Curtis, Hugo, Judy, Vaj, Ruth, the Dalai Lama, Stu, Marek, new_morning and others -- feel that although it is possible that the sages of old had a clue, that clue needs to be assessed constantly in the present to determine whether the deed really was done by Miss Scarlet in the dining room with the candlestick. Religions tend to be based on Sage-ism. If our guy said it, it must be true. A more fundamentalist religionist might go so far as to say, If our guy said it, it must be Truth, and applicable even to those who don't believe in our guy. The path of Cluefulness might be defined more as, If some sage said it and my life experience and feedback from the world around me, including science, tends to support it, cool. But that doesn't mean that the sage in question was clueful about everything, merely that it appears that he was clueful about this one thing. The ability to have had a clue about one thing does not imply that the same clueholder was equally clueful about other things. For example, while I may find the original Buddha fairly clueful about many things, I do not extend that Cluefulness to everything he is credited with having said. I have some issues with his First Noble Truth, that Life is suffering. Similarly, while I may still agree with some of what the spiritual teachers I've studied with in this life said, I by no means extend the clue I think they had about those subjects to a state of Omniscient Cluefulness. They had their on days, and they had their off days. So what's the consensus here, eh? If the sages you revere were clueful about some things, does that mean that they were clueful about All Things? Does Occasional Cluefulness imply Omniscient Cluefulness?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dave Mallett and Folkalley.com
Vaj Did you ever listen to FolkAlley.com? It's a great source of free and great music as in 24/7 at http://folkalley.com. It's where I was introduced to Dave Mallett a couple of years ago. Thanks for the free Dave Mallett tunes, too and the itunes tip. I'm reluctant to get involved with downloading from itunes but maybe...! Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Kenny H wrote: Wow, I am very envious you went to see A Prairie Home Companion. Where did you go? I have a lot of frequent flyer miles and have thought of going to Minneapolis. Is it hard to get tickets? He comes to Maine every couple of years, so we saw him in Bangor. Tickets typically go on sale 8 months or so ahead of time and sell out in a couple of days, so you do have to be on the ball to get tickets. Dave Mallett is one of my very favorite folk-type singers, he has about 3 albums but none of them really sound as good as he does live. My favorite song of his, also much better as a live version is, Summer of My Dreams. Yes, I agree, he is much better live. He has a live version of Summer of My Dreams which is excellent. It is on Live at the Iron Horse, Vol. 1 and you can get at on the iTunes store for 99 cents. I also just uploaded another song from PHC, his classic The Garden Song. Enjoy. PS: Good luck with your book! What a great idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. Mystery remains intact. The whole post was excellent but this paragraph really stands out. Being absolutely sure about how the world works is a powerful seductive drug. I am just really glad I got that needle out of my arm. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and someone should say so. I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, ... LOL. Thanks...I needed that. :-) ...but I should point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for much of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid more or less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should develop his full mental potential and not be a burden on the earth): Should? Isn't that a tad...uh...presumptuous? That you know fersure what every human being should be doing? I'm asking because you honestly come across as if you know fersure. I'm curious as to how you know. from post 180033: ...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall, courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the universe are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a very limited understanding of the world-as-it-is. Limited? And your understanding is not? Again, I'm asking because you seem so *sure*, man. I'm curious as to how you know this. Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there ever was has said so ... Is *this* how you know fersure? Sages said so? ... -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people do the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids go wrong. Dude, do you realize how many fersures there were in this sentence? First, fersure that what these sages said was true. Second, that there is such a thing as balance that is NOT present at every moment. Third, that humans should not go out of this theoretical state of balance. Fourth, that Nature or the universe feels it has a parental relationship with its kids and reserves the right to whup their asses when the kids get out of line. I don't know about where you live, but where I live if some guy who called himself Nature took it upon himself to spank his kids with the occasional earth- quake or flood or pandemic, Child Services would be all over his ass in a heartbeat. If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats who pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, but that is a religion of scientism ... As opposed to a religion of sage-ism, right? ...that is much more primitive and illogical than you imagine holistic thinking to be. I guess I'm suggesting, Bob, that your holistic thinking feels a tad dogmatic and authoritarian to me. Essentially you seem to be saying 1) that good and bad exist, 2) that sages in the past knew which was which, and 3) that Nature is in such agreement with what these sages wrote that it's prepared to smite those who don't live the way that the sages said they should with floods. To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an attempt to scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in saying that natural disasters are the reaction of Nature to wrongdoing. We're going to have to agree to disagree about this. When the majority of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not. Or not. My bet is that life will continue to operate in the same mysterious way it has operated for eternity, and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor those who follow their holy words in the present -- has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about How It All Works, much less Why. I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive
[FairfieldLife] I was wuh...wuh...wuh...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams Doesn't anyone ever admit that they are wrong around here? ;) That is the best condensed phrase of the biggest stumbling block to real communication here that I have read Ruth. That nails it! It's a running joke with my best friend and me. She was my girlfriend for many years, and knows me FAR too well. And she knows the guy thing reluctance to own up to having been wuh...wuh...wuh...wrong even better. But what makes us still friends is my occasional willing- ness to speak those Three Little Words aloud, and her willingness to laugh -- WITH me, not at me -- when I say them. I don't know about you guys, but I've been wrong a LOT in my life. It all worked out, and I don't really regret or dwell on the times that I *was* wrong, but yeah, I've been wrong. I probably will be again, at some point during this beachside cafe rap. The subject of I was wrong is on my mind today because of Ken Hassman's post about the book he's thinking of putting together, and my reply to it. Writing that reply kinda shifted my assemblage point, and so I'm still think- ing about the process of Walking Away from something one has held dear, spiritually. One of the reasons I think that this process of Walking Away is so little spoken of in spiritual circles, and is so often demonized when it is, is that Walking Away from what one once considered a lifetime spiritual commitment to some extent implies saying I was wrong to the only person who really matters in such matters, oneself. We all started our trek along the spiritual path in a state of Beginner's Mind, wearing a bright and shiny judo gi tied up with a fetching white belt. But as we paid our dues and earned higher belt ranks, at some point along that path, a LOT of us kinda bought into the idea that it was the highest path, and that if we just kept studying in the same dojo, sooner or later we'd be black belts ourselves. Then we'd know every- thing, and never be wuh...wuh...wuh...wrong about anything ever again. Then at some later point, a few of us decided that the path we were treading just might not be the highest after all, and that our brown belt or black belt in TM just might not be as useful in a street fight as we'd thought. So we stepped off the TM path and struck out cross-country for that other path, over there, or off into the underbrush of our own intuition, avoiding the well-worn paths altogether. I am intrigued by that moment of stepping off the path. As I said earlier, I see it more as stepping onto a different path, but when one has been sold out to the previous path for as long as many of us on this forum were, there IS an element of I was wrong involved in taking that first step in another direction. Some might be contemplating such a first step right now. For decades, they have considered TM and Maharishi's teachings as the highest path. And now he's gone, and they're wondering whether to keep on truckin' along the same path, or to maybe check out some other paths, or even scarier, strike out cross-country and find their own. Make no mistake about it, no matter how you cut it, chang- ing spiritual paths in mid...uh...stream has its I was wrong aspects to it. To step away from the highest path very definitely implies that you no longer accept that it is the highest, and that it's actually *possible* that other paths might be equally lofty. Or, at the very least, might be more fun. And some are going to scoff and laugh AT you if you make that choice and heed the inner cop voice that is telling you to Step away from the path! But if you're lucky, you will have amongst your friends some who are as cool as my friend Laurel, and who will laugh WITH you as you slip out of your black-belted I know the truth uniform and back into the white-belted judo gi of Beginner's Mind. I guess all I'm trying to say is that putting voice to those Three Little Words I was wrong can be a very liberating experience. It's a way of replacing the three- word mind-meme I am right with three possibly more useful words: I'm still learning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. Mystery remains intact. Curtis wrote: The whole post was excellent but this paragraph really stands out. Being absolutely sure about how the world works is a powerful seductive drug. You're absolutely sure about this. I am just really glad I got that needle out of my arm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
TurquoiseB wrote: I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. So, Bary believes that ordinary human beings were trying to figure things out. Now that's a revelation! Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. So, Barry is a scribbling sage. Mystery remains intact. Is this 'The Truth'?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bet is that life will continue to operate in the same mysterious way it has operated for eternity, and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor those who follow their holy words in the present -- has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about How It All Works, much less Why. I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. Mystery remains intact. Kinda reminds me of Iris Dement's Let the Mystery Be http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Du5FguDSzE It's not quite the same as Bruce Cockburn's Mystery, but she's waay cuter (IMO--YMMV)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true
I dont think Maharishi was a racist.nbsp;nbsp; Most people prefer to look at it as there was/is definitely racism in the movement.nbsp;nbsp; Maharishi put his show on for whoever was paying and who would be able to contribute most to his objective.nbsp;nbsp; For Maharishi it was not about race.nbsp; You could say Maharishis race card was either colorless sap or green.. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, nablusoss1008 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: nablusoss1008 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 4:52 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; Louis: gt; gt; I'm curious to know what you feel about Maharishi's attitude towards gt; African-Americans and Black Africans in general (I use the gt; term Black Africans to differentiate them from White Africans, such gt; as Charlize Theron). I'm thinking two such instances which gave an gt; indication to me of Maharishi's thinking in this area: gt; gt; 1) in a video tape from La Antilla I think it was Maharishi was asked gt; about the then-in-place Apartheid system in South Africa and his gt; response was: (taking a flower in hand) see the flower, see how the gt; red of the petal is segregated from the stem, see how the thorn is gt; segregated from the leaves, see how the leaves are segregated from gt; the stem, (and so on). gt; gt; 2) After a trip to Africa, he was relating his experience during a gt; Question and Answer session he had with Africans who had come to see gt; him at a lecture law. The thrust of Maharishi's comments were how gt; surprised he was at the intelligence of the questions. He gave the gt; impression that it threw him for a loop and that he didn't expect gt; them to be intelligent at all. gt; gt; Thoughts? And I'd like to hear from anyone else who got the same gt; impressions that I did on this subject... The only person Maharishi actively sought out from the darshan-line after our TTC was a black american (he was standing in the back of the crowd) saying while handing the fellow a flower: You are doing very well, uh ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links lt;*gt; To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ lt;*gt; Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional lt;*gt; To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) lt;*gt; To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true
I dont think Maharishi was a racist.nbsp;nbsp; Most people prefer to look at it as there was/is definitely racism in the movement.nbsp;nbsp; Maharishi put his show on for whoever was paying and who would be able to contribute most to his objective.nbsp;nbsp; For Maharishi it was not about race.nbsp; You could say Maharishis race card was either colorless sap or green.. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, nablusoss1008 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: nablusoss1008 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 4:52 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; Louis: gt; gt; I'm curious to know what you feel about Maharishi's attitude towards gt; African-Americans and Black Africans in general (I use the gt; term Black Africans to differentiate them from White Africans, such gt; as Charlize Theron). I'm thinking two such instances which gave an gt; indication to me of Maharishi's thinking in this area: gt; gt; 1) in a video tape from La Antilla I think it was Maharishi was asked gt; about the then-in-place Apartheid system in South Africa and his gt; response was: (taking a flower in hand) see the flower, see how the gt; red of the petal is segregated from the stem, see how the thorn is gt; segregated from the leaves, see how the leaves are segregated from gt; the stem, (and so on). gt; gt; 2) After a trip to Africa, he was relating his experience during a gt; Question and Answer session he had with Africans who had come to see gt; him at a lecture law. The thrust of Maharishi's comments were how gt; surprised he was at the intelligence of the questions. He gave the gt; impression that it threw him for a loop and that he didn't expect gt; them to be intelligent at all. gt; gt; Thoughts? And I'd like to hear from anyone else who got the same gt; impressions that I did on this subject... The only person Maharishi actively sought out from the darshan-line after our TTC was a black american (he was standing in the back of the crowd) saying while handing the fellow a flower: You are doing very well, uh ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links lt;*gt; To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ lt;*gt; Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional lt;*gt; To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) lt;*gt; To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. Mystery remains intact. Curtis wrote: The whole post was excellent but this paragraph really stands out. Being absolutely sure about how the world works is a powerful seductive drug. You're absolutely sure about this. For some people, yes. I was one of them for many years. So how did this formulaic challenge advance the discussion Richard? Challenging the epistemologically disastrous move of being absolutely sure of things like the relationship between people's actions and natural disasters, does not mean that I don't have an opinion on the matter. It just means that my post wont end with: You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not. I am just really glad I got that needle out of my arm.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dave Mallett and Folkalley.com
On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Kenny H wrote: Vaj Did you ever listen to FolkAlley.com? It's a great source of free and great music as in 24/7 at http://folkalley.com. It's where I was introduced to Dave Mallett a couple of years ago. No I hadn't, but I will now, thanks! You can also get the MP3, non-DRM version at Amazon.com: Link
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
What are the super radiance numbers these days? I've read posts from people supporting or lambasting the Maharishi Effect, but no one has correlated dome numbers with Iowa's spring weather. Here, the New York Times remarks on the larger ramifications of Iowa's weather: http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9 Editorial Iowaâs Disasters Published: June 14, 2008 The heaviest rains in Iowa this past week fell in the northern part of the state â a torrential downpour in many cases, following the third-wettest May on the books. That water has been draining out of fields â washing away soil and crops as it goes â and into the rivers, which in the eastern half of the state flow predominantly to the southeast. Des Moines, Iowa City and Cedar Rapids have all watched as floods have approached, but it has been impossible to turn them away. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City have been engulfed. Fifty-five of Iowaâs 99 counties have been declared a disaster. (more) http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?
TurquoiseB wrote: Yeah, that's the ticket. That'll enable you to believe that you and other butt-bouncers are SO powerful that you're influencing the weather. So says Uncle Tantra the 'butt-bouncer'! Notice also that Barry appears to be refusing to amend his false earlier assertion that he paid $5,000 to listen to MMY on tape over an earphone, even after he was made to admit that the course fee actually also covered a couple of months of room and board. Read more: Subject: Re: A question for Uncle Tantra Author: Judy Stein Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Wed, Aug 6 2003 http://tinyurl.com/4fwd7d I prefer to think of it as the random workings of a random universe, and the equally random attempts by insecure human beings to place them- selves at the center of the action, as if it all revolved around them. But Barry! Almost every scientist on the planet says that the universe is not based on 'random workings' but on physics. A random universe would be chaos, monkeys would be flying out of our butts. The universe is based on cause and effect. My bet is that if you spent a little time read- ing Christian blogs from the Midwest, you'd find them (or their idea of God) taking credit for the same cleansing floods. How much would you be willing to wager? Same thing for the fundie Islamic blogs. They ALL want to believe that 1) *they* know what's really happening, and 2) that it won't happen to *them* because they are insert name of fundamentalist belief system or organization here. So, you know what is really happening on the fundie Islamic blogs. To me, all of these claims are just different flavors of the same stupidity. And your theory that the universe is based on 'random workings' makes more sense? Without you realizing it, you've just postulated the dogma of the fundamentalist believers. ROTFLMAO!!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
Barry I like your take and I will get back to you later on about what you said. Thanks very much for such clear expression. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The Other Side of Spiritual Growth. With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in creation touting some kind of yoga. and presenting only the pro side of living the Eastern or Spirit-based life, I have thought that there are many many people like me, and like others posting on FFLIfe, and many people here know of others, both TMers or some kind of other spiritual aspirants, who have lived the spiritual life only have things go awry as opposed to better. They do not necessarily turn into ardent bashers but they are experiencing disappointment, disillusionment and may have taken steps such as I have and many others have by getting out and pursuing an independent life. I am looking for stories, first-person accounts from people, like me, who are not out to bash what they have done, but to express themselves, addressing the disappointments and broken promises, their side of the story, how life may have taken a downturn inside of the opposite. Also, what you/they have done to create a change for yourself. Or if you/they even have. Ken, Since some have pooh-poohed your book idea, I'm going to applaud it, but with reservations and suggestions. Please forgive the un-asked-for advice. I think that a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away could be valuable, *especially* in an age where many are catching the Oprah wave and walking to groups and organizations that promise realization and/or happiness. HOWEVER, while some focus on the disappointments and broken promises might be in order, I think that you will sabotage the value of your proposed book if you select stories that tend to repeat that theme ad nauseum. What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. My fave songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, wrote a song a few years ago called Strange Waters. It was his riff on the 23rd Psalm, and dealt with his *own* walking away from too-rigidly-held Christian beliefs and walking towards something lighter and more flexible. The last line of the song reflects, IMO, the distinction I'm trying to make. It goes, If I loose my grip, will I take flight? Bruce loosed his grip on beliefs that had grown para- lyzing for him, and the result was being able to walk freely again. A similar theme is found in the video of Henry Miller that do.rflex posted last night, in which he relates the Zen parable of the student who studies his Zen diligently for many years, but who only experiences satori when, on a trip outside the monastery, he takes a prostitute up on her offer and gets himself laid. SO MUCH of the dogma of spiritual disciplines and relig- ions is aimed at getting people NOT to walk away. It's all about WE have the 'highest path.' There is nowhere you could go where you will find higher knowledge or a faster path to what you seek than WE possess. Therefore you should *stay where you are*. To leave our path is to leave the spiritual path, period. Sound familiar? It should. That was the essential message of the TMO for decades, and still is. And yet. And yet, as you say, one reads the stories of those who ignored this insistent dogma and DID walk away, and the bottom line is often NOT bitterness, NOT having left the spiritual path for good, but a sense of freedom and having walked to something better and brighter (for them) than what they had walked away from. Me, I don't think that the *particular* new thing that these people found that they had walked towards is very important. I think that the important thing -- the exercise of will and intent and personal power that made spiritual progress possible for them -- is to be found more in the act of walking away itself than in the thing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected rivers and entice them to settle down. Why? Possibly because it's not that the rivers are misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't, um, have any choice about overflowing their banks when there's been a great deal of rain pouring more water into them than those banks can accommodate. Ya think? Because that would actually be putting their theory to the test, Because any effect generated by the flyers has to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is put to the test just as much when the flyers stay in Fairfield. Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and stop natural disasters before they happen. Don't forget nature is intelligent: the all seeing eye will know if flood defences are inadequate and adjust things accordingly (please don't think I'm bening facetious, I've heard this and worse from TMers). It's the most crap thing about the TMO, (that and the idea they bought down the Berlin wall). Funny thing is I got an e-mail from my national office saying we should rejoice as the USofA is now invincible. The flood water should magically disappear now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary human beings trying to figure things out, just as we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive than our own. Mystery remains intact. Curtis wrote: The whole post was excellent but this paragraph really stands out. Being absolutely sure about how the world works is a powerful seductive drug. You're absolutely sure about this. Curtis wrote: For some people, yes. I was one of them for many years. So, Barry's post WAS a red-herring - hardly anyone on the planet is 'absolutely sure about how the world works', except you and Barry. Both of you were once absolutely sure about how the world works, but now you're not so sure? But you are both absolutely sure that the 'mystery remains intact'. So how did this formulaic challenge advance the discussion Richard? What part of 'red-herring' did you not understand? Challenging the epistemologically disastrous move of being sure of things like the relationship between people's actions and natural disasters, does not mean that I don't have an opinion on the matter. It just means that my post wont end with: So, did you really have a needle in your arm? You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not. Are you're 'absolutly' sure it was a needle in your arm? Barry says you drank the 'kool-ade' but you're saying you took drugs in the arm with a needle? Which statement is absolutely 'The Truth'? Why can't you two just be honest? You don't have a clue - you are not 'sages' - you're just scribbling, trying to figure things out! I am just really glad I got that needle out of my arm.
[FairfieldLife] A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
The numbers are posted daily here: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html For 23 days out of the past month the number for the US has been achieved in at least the evening--and continuously for the past 17 days. And of course, the super radiance number for the state of Iowa has been surpassed for what--a couple of decades at least? That's why there is no poverty, crime, sickness, disharmony, pollution, or negativity or suffering in Iowa and the weather is always good and the rivers always behave. OTOH, perhaps there's a negative correlation between ME numbers and well-being, and so many people sitting for so long with blank minds invite in the negative forces to wreak DEVA-station on the nation. Who woulda thunk--maybe Bronte was right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the super radiance numbers these days? I've read posts from people supporting or lambasting the Maharishi Effect, but no one has correlated dome numbers with Iowa's spring weather. Here, the New York Times remarks on the larger ramifications of Iowa's weather: http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9 Editorial Iowaâs Disasters Published: June 14, 2008 The heaviest rains in Iowa this past week fell in the northern part of the state â a torrential downpour in many cases, following the third-wettest May on the books. That water has been draining out of fields â washing away soil and crops as it goes â and into the rivers, which in the eastern half of the state flow predominantly to the southeast. Des Moines, Iowa City and Cedar Rapids have all watched as floods have approached, but it has been impossible to turn them away. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City have been engulfed. Fifty-five of Iowaâs 99 counties have been declared a disaster. (more) http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
Kenny wrote: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines Thanks for the invite, Kenny, but somehow I just don't see myself driving up I-35 to Des Moines, Iowa this weekend. Besides, I can't stand that liberal Garrison Keelor. Some, possibly misguided fools, think he is funny, but to drive into a flood zone and pay him - I don't hink so. One moans for shame that such a vulgar jerk is thought of, and even known overseas, as some kind of national entertainer. Read more: 'Garrison Keillor, Vulgarian' By Christopher Hitchens Slate, Monday, Feb. 13, 2006 http://www.slate.com/id/2136056/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
Last week's totals 1843, 2039, 2016, 2006, 1971, 1937, 1891. I drawn no conclusions from this, but my impression is that in Fairfield and Jefferson County as a whole, rainfall in May and June has been about average. I have no actual stats on this, so it's possible I could be proved wrong. But often if you watch the radar, you see a line of storms coming in and apparently heading this way, then they tack to the north and miss us in Fairfield. Iowa City has had had significantly more rainfall than we've had. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the super radiance numbers these days? I've read posts from people supporting or lambasting the Maharishi Effect, but no one has correlated dome numbers with Iowa's spring weather. Here, the New York Times remarks on the larger ramifications of Iowa's weather: http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9 Editorial Iowaâs Disasters Published: June 14, 2008 The heaviest rains in Iowa this past week fell in the northern part of the state â a torrential downpour in many cases, following the third-wettest May on the books. That water has been draining out of fields â washing away soil and crops as it goes â and into the rivers, which in the eastern half of the state flow predominantly to the southeast. Des Moines, Iowa City and Cedar Rapids have all watched as floods have approached, but it has been impossible to turn them away. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City have been engulfed. Fifty-five of Iowaâs 99 counties have been declared a disaster. (more) http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected rivers and entice them to settle down. Why? Possibly because it's not that the rivers are misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't, um, have any choice about overflowing their banks when there's been a great deal of rain pouring more water into them than those banks can accommodate. Ya think? Because that would actually be putting their theory to the test, Because any effect generated by the flyers has to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is put to the test just as much when the flyers stay in Fairfield. Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and stop natural disasters before they happen. Please explain exactly how what I said is rubbish. (Hint: You'll have to *read* it first.) Don't forget nature is intelligent: the all seeing eye will know if flood defences are inadequate and adjust things accordingly (please don't think I'm bening facetious, I've heard this and worse from TMers). It's the most crap thing about the TMO, (that and the idea they bought down the Berlin wall). Funny thing is I got an e-mail from my national office saying we should rejoice as the USofA is now invincible. The flood water should magically disappear now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenny wrote: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines Thanks for the invite, Kenny, but somehow I just don't see myself driving up I-35 to Des Moines, Iowa this weekend. Besides, I can't stand that liberal Garrison Keelor. Some, possibly misguided fools, think he is funny, but to drive into a flood zone and pay him - I don't hink so. One moans for shame that such a vulgar jerk is thought of, and even known overseas, as some kind of national entertainer. Read more: 'Garrison Keillor, Vulgarian' By Christopher Hitchens Slate, Monday, Feb. 13, 2006 http://www.slate.com/id/2136056/ I don't usually comment on Willytex's posts, but this one is just so perfect that I must. What Willytex does is to sit out there in the dark of cyberspace and wait for someone to post about something they love or that inspires them. Then Willytex searches the Internet or his own archives for some article or post that is negative about the same subject and sends it off, like some deranged Anti-Ballistic Missile from the Reagan era's proposed Star Wars satellites, on a mission to seek and snuff out the light before it spreads.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenny wrote: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines Thanks for the invite, Kenny, but somehow I just don't see myself driving up I-35 to Des Moines, Iowa this weekend. Besides, I can't stand that liberal Garrison Keelor. Richard, To each his own as far as taste in entertainment goes. Plus if you went this weekend you'd be a bit early as the show (as was posted) is not until mid-August. KH Some, possibly misguided fools, think he is funny, but to drive into a flood zone and pay him - I don't hink so. One moans for shame that such a vulgar jerk is thought of, and even known overseas, as some kind of national entertainer. Read more: 'Garrison Keillor, Vulgarian' By Christopher Hitchens Slate, Monday, Feb. 13, 2006 http://www.slate.com/id/2136056/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected rivers and entice them to settle down. Why? Possibly because it's not that the rivers are misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't, um, have any choice about overflowing their banks when there's been a great deal of rain pouring more water into them than those banks can accommodate. Ya think? Because that would actually be putting their theory to the test, Because any effect generated by the flyers has to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is put to the test just as much when the flyers stay in Fairfield. You are wasting your precious intellect on that fool. Have you not seen that all he wants to do is practise his TM-bashing and denouncing everything pertaing to the TMO on a daily basis ? If he did not he would go nuts probably though some would suggest he did a long time ago.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last week's totals 1843, 2039, 2016, 2006, 1971, 1937, 1891. I drawn no conclusions from this, but my impression is that in Fairfield and Jefferson County as a whole, rainfall in May and June has been about average. I have no actual stats on this, so it's possible I could be proved wrong. But often if you watch the radar, you see a line of storms coming in and apparently heading this way, then they tack to the north and miss us in Fairfield. Iowa City has had had significantly more rainfall than we've had. So these high dome numbers that were supposed to protect the entire nation -- they are at best enough to protect a small town in the Mid West. And give that FF is not on a river, even that protection is not clearly demonstrated in this set of data. And the stock market? Remember this is THE key indicator Raja John shouted from the rooftops when the market was (as often occurs) went up for a year. Its 10+ % down in the second year -- when the dome and pundit numbers were significantly higher. Why isn't Raja John digesting this data and incorporating it into the theory? Bad Science or just Weird Science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon me, Sir, Madame: Could you spare me some Bliss? I hold out my cup, with sad eyes. No, that's ok. Where do I go, what do I do? I scared, I'm all alone. Where am I? I'm watching everything go by, fast. I'm in New York City, with my son. I see a little girl, standing behind a gate near a brownstone house, In Queens... I see the innocence surrounding her, and say, 'Hi, little girl!' My son says, Dad, what the hell are you doing? Did you see how scared she was? No, I said, I saw innocence. Look at these people we pass; Can you see the adults, stuck in their little petty ego thoughts? Do you see the innocent child, baby, tree, bird? Do you see the difference? See how it's all spinning around, now? It's really simple you know. Sorry to say, my son, is not that into meditation at the present time; And is more into beer as his meditation technique... And that's ok. The bliss is located in the oneness. It's not of the intellect, more of the heart. Babies know it. Egos don't. Simple, just drop the ego, stop thinking, Allow the energy of the mind to fall into the heart. Feel your center, your feeling center. It will never steer you wrong. The mind will cause you great grief. The heart will cause you great love. You choose which it will BE. R.G. Sunday, June, 2008 Thank you R.G. for your beautiful poem. You and I both know there is nowhere to go. Life unfolds as we are capable of receiving at each moment. Irmeli
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
As I said, I draw no conclusions. I was just saying that my impression is that we haven't had as much rainfall as other places in Iowa. Questions for Raja John should be directed to him, not me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Last week's totals 1843, 2039, 2016, 2006, 1971, 1937, 1891. I drawn no conclusions from this, but my impression is that in Fairfield and Jefferson County as a whole, rainfall in May and June has been about average. I have no actual stats on this, so it's possible I could be proved wrong. But often if you watch the radar, you see a line of storms coming in and apparently heading this way, then they tack to the north and miss us in Fairfield. Iowa City has had had significantly more rainfall than we've had. So these high dome numbers that were supposed to protect the entire nation -- they are at best enough to protect a small town in the Mid West. And give that FF is not on a river, even that protection is not clearly demonstrated in this set of data. And the stock market? Remember this is THE key indicator Raja John shouted from the rooftops when the market was (as often occurs) went up for a year. Its 10+ % down in the second year -- when the dome and pundit numbers were significantly higher. Why isn't Raja John digesting this data and incorporating it into the theory? Bad Science or just Weird Science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry I like your take and I will get back to you later on about what you said. Thanks very much for such clear expression. Ken I like Turq's comments a lot. A few thoughts -- to me its not a been there, moved on. Its far more nuanced and three-dimensional -- if not multi-dimensional. For me, its of value to see what gaps TM, MMY, TMers (peers) and the TMO (four stand alone, but interrelated pillars) brought to me as a 17 year old and in my 20's. And what gaps they did not fill. And the path of experimentation and inquiry to find other and additional things. Or changing the mix. And each of the pillars -- TM, TMO TMers, and MMY each had a different story. All four are stand alone pillars -- but also interrelated. And there are interesting stories on the path to reconstruct the good things in these pillars -- and incorporate more. And to ditch the less stellar elements. A further story is what was not successful in that repositioning and integration. The things missed' -- the good things that were tossed with the bathwater -- and in which there may be a process of re-integration of things past. The fact that many of us hang out at FFL at times, is testament to that bright shining moment in our lives -- far from perfect, but there was something special there. Of going further away, sometimes, often , fully cut off from one or all four of the pillars, and how now, from a new foundation of life-experience, better street and academic smarts, more mature views, and all that -- some are reintegrating more parts -- the good parts of that bright shining moment back into our lives. Sort of a closing of the circle -- but more so a spiral. At the same place -- but at a higher level -- higher in the senses of a broader view from higher ground. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Ken, Since some have pooh-poohed your book idea, I'm going to applaud it, but with reservations and suggestions. Please forgive the un-asked-for advice. I think that a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away could be valuable, *especially* in an age where many are catching the Oprah wave and walking to groups and organizations that promise realization and/or happiness. HOWEVER, while some focus on the disappointments and broken promises might be in order, I think that you will sabotage the value of your proposed book if you select stories that tend to repeat that theme ad nauseum. What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. My fave songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, wrote a song a few years ago called Strange Waters. It was his riff on the 23rd Psalm, and dealt with his *own* walking away from too-rigidly-held Christian beliefs and walking towards something lighter and more flexible. The last line of the song reflects, IMO, the distinction I'm trying to make. It goes, If I loose my grip, will I take flight? Bruce loosed his grip on beliefs that had grown para- lyzing for him, and the result was being able to walk freely again. A similar theme is found in the video of Henry Miller that do.rflex posted last night, in which he relates the Zen parable of the student who studies his Zen diligently for many years, but who only experiences satori when, on a trip outside the monastery, he takes a prostitute up on her offer and gets himself laid. SO MUCH of the dogma of spiritual disciplines and relig- ions is aimed at getting people NOT to walk away. It's all about WE have the 'highest path.' There is nowhere you could go where you will find higher knowledge or a faster path to what you seek than WE possess. Therefore you should *stay where you are*. To leave our path is to leave the spiritual path, period. Sound familiar? It should. That was the essential message of the TMO for decades, and still is. And yet. And yet, as you say, one reads the stories of those who ignored this insistent dogma and DID walk away, and the bottom line is often NOT bitterness, NOT having left the spiritual
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The numbers are posted daily here: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html For 23 days out of the past month the number for the US has been achieved in at least the evening--and continuously for the past 17 days. And of course, the super radiance number for the state of Iowa has been surpassed for what--a couple of decades at least? That's why there is no poverty, crime, sickness, disharmony, pollution, or negativity or suffering in Iowa and the weather is always good and the rivers always behave. An alternative Roo viewpoint could be that the increased dome numbers and large group of pandits are having a purifying effect that is manifesting as rain and floods. With enough mental flexibility and creativity, you can consider just about *anything* to be the positive result of the ME effect. OTOH, perhaps there's a negative correlation between ME numbers and well-being, and so many people sitting for so long with blank minds invite in the negative forces to wreak DEVA-station on the nation. Who woulda thunk--maybe Bronte was right? Um... Bronte thinks the world is controlled by reptilian, shape-shifting aliens. AFAIC, she's the last person to seek out for a reality check.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: The numbers are posted daily here: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html For 23 days out of the past month the number for the US has been achieved in at least the evening--and continuously for the past 17 days. And of course, the super radiance number for the state of Iowa has been surpassed for what--a couple of decades at least? That's why there is no poverty, crime, sickness, disharmony, pollution, or negativity or suffering in Iowa and the weather is always good and the rivers always behave. An alternative Roo viewpoint could be that the increased dome numbers and large group of pandits are having a purifying effect that is manifesting as rain and floods. With enough mental flexibility and creativity, you can consider just about *anything* to be the positive result of the ME effect. I watched Meet the Press this morning -- as often on Sunday mornings. A great tribute to Tim. I was struck by what Cardinal Egen sp? of DC said -- paraphrasing -- in commenting about death -- he said we all go home to our father (yada yada) -- though SOME MAY NEED A PERIOD OF PURIFICATION.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The numbers are posted daily here: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html For 23 days out of the past month the number for the US has been achieved in at least the evening--and continuously for the past 17 days. And of course, the super radiance number for the state of Iowa has been surpassed for what--a couple of decades at least? That's why there is no poverty, crime, sickness, disharmony, pollution, or negativity or suffering in Iowa and the weather is always good and the rivers always behave. An alternative Roo viewpoint could be that the increased dome numbers and large group of pandits are having a purifying effect that is manifesting as rain and floods. With enough mental flexibility and creativity, you can consider just about *anything* to be the positive result of the ME effect. Hey, mother nature needs to unstress too. Yeah that's the ticket.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: The numbers are posted daily here: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html For 23 days out of the past month the number for the US has been achieved in at least the evening--and continuously for the past 17 days. And of course, the super radiance number for the state of Iowa has been surpassed for what--a couple of decades at least? That's why there is no poverty, crime, sickness, disharmony, pollution, or negativity or suffering in Iowa and the weather is always good and the rivers always behave. An alternative Roo viewpoint could be that the increased dome numbers and large group of pandits are having a purifying effect that is manifesting as rain and floods. With enough mental flexibility and creativity, you can consider just about *anything* to be the positive result of the ME effect. Sure, if you accept the ME as Truth, then whatever happens is good by definition, no matter how bad it seems and how much it contradicts your predictions. I just don't remember floods, tornadoes, wildfires, warfare, etc. being enumerated as part of the Golden Age of Ram Raj, but maybe I was asleep during that tape. ;) OTOH, perhaps there's a negative correlation between ME numbers and well-being, and so many people sitting for so long with blank minds invite in the negative forces to wreak DEVA-station on the nation. Who woulda thunk--maybe Bronte was right? Um... Bronte thinks the world is controlled by reptilian, shape-shifting aliens. AFAIC, she's the last person to seek out for a reality check. You know that was a joke, yes?
[FairfieldLife] Flood pictures from Iowa City ( U od I )
Pictures of University of Iowa campus flooding taken on Saturday, 6/14. Classes are canceled for all of next week. http://picasaweb.google.com/jonhath/IowaCityFloodOf2008
[FairfieldLife] Reailty disconnect (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, if you accept the ME as Truth, then whatever happens is good by definition, no matter how bad it seems and how much it contradicts your predictions. This is the loop of thinking that I still struggle with after so many years of attempting to divorce myself from exactly this loop of thinking I got caught up in-the damned if you believe and damned if you don't believe cycle. Or the we have an answer for everything cycle the our belief system can handle all possible responses in one fell swoop. The ME effect. If things are good-great we are responsibile. If things are not good it's either a) normalization and/or the numbers are down/we are not doing enough. There are three instances that stand out in my mind as representative of the really odd thinking that we in the TM org. came to accept as normal and which I have cycled repeatedly for years trying to make sense of. One was when Bevan, in the dome, probably between rounds at a time when there were about 1500 people in the domes doing program, and there were many many more people in FF not in the domes. He was up there haranguing us for the numbers being low and such and I'm thinking, why is he yelling at us, we're here in the domes? Another was in India, at the big Vedic Science course in India. There we were on the other side of the world, hundreds if not thousands were really sick, we were sitting in this amazingly crowded room listening to Byron Ribgy and Geoffrey Clemens drone on hour after hour about THe Hamiltonian, you'd walk by the makeshift kitchen and see one of the cooks actually dunking his head in one of the pots to wash his hair right in one of the pots where the lentils were cooking for our supper, the German door guards were really harassing people, and one night Maharishi tells us, The situation in the world is getting worse and it is our fault...if you are one of the people who are here and are complaining I don't want you here...you should leave for the sake of the world The third instance of real reality disconnect also involved Bevan. There were rumors of Bevan and the Zimmermans having gone to Santa Cruz to see the UC Santa Cruz campus supposedly checking out buying or leasing a part of campus and moving MIU there (something close to this). A close friend of mine was Stuart Zimmerman's personal assistant and she told me to my face (not second-hand) it was absolutely true as she had arranged the plane trip. So one afternoon after program, in the shed, Bevan gets on the microphone and says, Everyone should have their bags packed and ready to move to Egypt. We are moving to the Temple of Cheops... (again this is a paraphrase but close enough). He-Bevan-went on to say that he heard the rumors of the UC Santa Cruz thing and they were absolutely false. Which they were not. Ken I just don't remember floods, tornadoes, wildfires, warfare, etc. being enumerated as part of the Golden Age of Ram Raj, but maybe I was asleep during that tape. ;) OTOH, perhaps there's a negative correlation between ME numbers and well-being, and so many people sitting for so long with blank minds invite in the negative forces to wreak DEVA-station on the nation. Who woulda thunk--maybe Bronte was right? Um... Bronte thinks the world is controlled by reptilian, shape-shifting aliens. AFAIC, she's the last person to seek out for a reality check. You know that was a joke, yes?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all the world dark skin is thought of as less than except in central and west Africa. In South Africa during Aparthied there was whites Asians Colored and Blacks Asians and Colored were thought to be equal they all had to yield to the white. Here's another question for you, Louis: We've heard from another poster that in Rwanda over 800,000 people were slaughtered in the tribal warfare between Hutu's and Tsutsi's. Both people were black-skinned, so we don't tend to call this racism but I think you can agree that the conflict was based upon classifying people according to their membership in a group and people were killed according to their placement in one or the other group. South Africa had a classification system as well. It was called Apartheir in which people were segregated into different groups according to skin color (Black, White, Colored, Asian, etc.) In the fight to end Apartheid only a few thousand people over about 50 years were killed, at most. Yet we had 800,000 black-skinned people killed under Rwanda's system - - albeit a traditional non-legal system of classification. Which system, to you, was worse? --- On Sun, 6/15/08, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 1:33 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: gt; gt; (snip) gt; gt; Louis: gt; gt; gt; gt; I'm curious to know what you feel about Maharishi's attitude towards gt; gt; African-Americans and Black Africans in general (I use the gt; gt; term Black Africans to differentiate them from White Africans, gt; such gt; (snip) gt; gt; After years of British Rule in India, I think the Indian people have gt; had a love/hate relationship with the Brits... gt; They seem to like the orderliness, the Monarchy, different things gt; about the Brits that has helped their culture. gt; While at the same time, they hate being regarded as 'Black'... gt; While traveling in Africa, Mahatma Gandhi experienced this prejudice gt; in South Africa, when he was teaching there. Actually, no. Gandhi was discriminated against but not because he was perceived as Black. The South African apartheid system had its own classification for Asians. gt; I assume the Indian People wanted to dissasociate themselves with gt; anything to do with African or being 'Dark Skinned'. gt; gt; 'Dark Skinned' people were always considered inferior to the Brits, gt; right? gt; Dark Skinned Indians were always considered inferior to light- skinned Indians as well. So, within Indian culture, darker skin is not as preferred as light skin in many quarters. This can be witnessed in the movie Mississippi Masala which is a treatise not only on the relationship between African-Americans and East Indians but dark and light-skinned Indians as well. I wonder how many other cultures this prejudice to darker skin exist. I am thinking of a very beautiful Syrian girl I knew who was one of about 6 siblings. She once showed me a picture of all the siblings together and she remarked -- negatively -- that she was the darkest of the lot but, gee, look how light-skinned all her brothers and sisters were! It may only be White people who actually prefer darker skin within- the-race so to speak. Tanned people are very often considered more beautiful and more healthy than pale, pasty white-skinned people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links lt;*gt; To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ lt;*gt; Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional lt;*gt; To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) lt;*gt; To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Privatization of the Internet?
Of course we can figure the suits want to ruin the Internet due to their greed. ATT, Comcast and a number of other companies have been fighting Net Neutrality. The power of the Internet is the freedom of speech it gives the people. The cowards and pigs (a VERY fitting term) that run these companies fear this freedom of speech. They want to control us and make us their wage slaves. We need to fight back before it is too late. If you have a small web business be sure to let your customers aware that if the big boys get their way they won't be able to access your site anymore unless they pay some excessive fees to them. This is why I don't like laissez faire capitalism. It allows the greedy, not the ethical and moral to run things. Focused wealth is very dangerous. We used to have a tax rate on the very wealthy of 91%. It is now down to 35% the same as the middle class. Progressive taxation is NOT a way to fund government but a disincentive to accumulate too much wealth and hence power. Of course if the companies tried to do this today the public would be outraged and demand immediate laws and hearings by Congress. But what they will do is try to implement this slowly and scare the public into accepting it. They will probably attach viruses and trojans to the streams when you access a small web site and say see there, you need Internet II to protect you. One thing I learned in the tech business if that the word ethics was not in the vocabulary of the the corporate executive. Their motto is if it makes money, do it. The Internet like highways belong in the commons not privatized. Rick Archer wrote: I hope (and think) you'll see fit to post the following link on the FFL site. Check it out and see what you think of it first, then write something to go with it if you want to support the cause. This is about the plans in store for the Internet, and its scheduled privatization in a few short years. This link is a short video made by some geeks telling people what they've found out is happening and what we, the public, need to do to stop it. Let me know if you pass this along. It would make me feel glad. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XPiqhN_Nseurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk / http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XPiqhN_Nseurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tim Russert
There's no such thing as one diet for everybody. We're all different with different metabolic rates, different imbalances, weak and strong organs. There is not that much clear information on Fuhrman's site. You say the diet deals with individual needs. What is meant by that? It doesn't look like I'm going to find that out very easily from his site. My relatives about 15 years ago jumped on the McDougall diet to support my niece's diet. I told them they would get sick on it as no one had the conditions the diet was designed for. I even tried it and found it made me very vata. My rels however stuck to it until my sister went into a severe case of depression. Dropping that diet restored her sanity. The problem with ayurveda is it was presented a little too complex for people to use. Also as I had learned doing metabolic typing that the body can flip type or come into balance fairly fast with some people. Gabriel Cousens writes about this in his book Conscious Eating. Cousens's also presents the concepts of metabolic typing with a slightly different spin as the typical metabolic typing questionnaire addresses the eating habits of the masses. But if you ask someone here if they would prefer a rack of lamb or a salad for dinner most would not select the rack of lamb as it might be something they would never eat anyway. But ask instead if they would prefer a peanut butter, banana on whole wheat sandwich versus a sprout salad and you might be folks who prefer the sandwich as being more grounding and filling. That's what Cousens has done is make the questions more for the aware eater who has already improved eating habits but are still trying to sort out health problems. In ayurveda the shift has been to address complaints which is what many practitioners in India would do without telling you what doshas are out of balance and give you some recommendations for fixing the situation. The real key is knowing your current imbalances. Probably the best online test I've found is Chopra's. The first page is for your prakriti or constitution and the second for your vakriti or how you are currently functioning. Then recommendations are made: http://store.chopra.com/dosha-survey.asp amarnath wrote: apparently the culprit was huge cholesterol build up and rupture of vein, or something like that. what could have helped him is Dr Fuhrman's Eat To Live approach which I have been enjoying for about eight years now. www.drfuhrman.com
[FairfieldLife] In Bruges
For Bhairitu and Stu and the other film freaks on this forum, I have to pass along word of one of the best films I have seen in quite some time. It's by the best Oscar-winning director you've never heard of, Martin McDonagh. He won for a short film called Six Shooter, which is already downloading in the background after watching his first feature-length film, In Bruges. It's difficult to to describe, except with the word brilliant. It's about a couple of Irish hit men who are holed up in Bruges, Belgium after one of their jobs goes bad. Suffice it to say that in Bruges, things go even worse. Starring Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, and Ralph Fiennes, it's in the tradition of Sexy Beast, but done as a very, very dark comedy, with that Irish sense of humor that makes you laugh even when you probably shouldn't be. The last line is to die for. Or not, depending on how you feel about Bruges.
Re: [FairfieldLife] In Bruges
Yes, the film has gotten good reviews. It was playing at the local arthouse but will be released in the US on DVD on the 24th. TurquoiseB wrote: For Bhairitu and Stu and the other film freaks on this forum, I have to pass along word of one of the best films I have seen in quite some time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. . Just my opinion... Very Good Points ! Turq, Namaste! In my reading of long time seekers who have eventually realized awakening via the advaita approach, or whatever, all have had decades of spiritual practices, including TM, SRF, Muktananda, even with the notorious false teachers, etc, etc. But what I admire about them, is that they all moved on. And the lesson from that is : don't get stuck, making a religion out of your practice and even an obstacle to your goal. . Especially beware of orgs with fix the world promises. It seems they all were brave enough to ask Is this working for me? or something like that. And if it wasn't, they moved on. And it seems when they left, they didn't grumble about it. If anything they were grateful that whatever they were doing that brought them to the next step. Some examples: James Braha ~ after 30 years of seeking, primarily meditation( not sure which ) and teacher of Vedic Astrology, wrote books, etc was ready to give up, then found an advaita teacher and awakened Jim Dreaver ~ did Krishmamurti, TM for some years, etc, worked with various teachers, and after 20 years awakened via the advaita approach read a testimonial of a long time TM practitioner, who finally started working with an advaita teacher Stuart Schwartz and found awakening and a wife. there is a book Papaji Amazing Grace about stories of fifteen long time seekers who did many practices and some did TM; again all moved on until coming to their teacher of grace Papaji so I'm not pomoting any one teacher but right now advaita is what my focus is on from my present perspective, MMY did a great thing by introducing TM and the whole idea of mediation reducing stress, etc then he faltered by not teaching the main goal( advaita ) as taught by the Masters of the Holy Tradition, especially that Shankara taught advaita and is considered one of the main promoters of advaita. concerning Amma, She teaches everything( including advaita ) you might say having millions of devotees; if you are Amma's devotee it's up to you to find your own niche and grow spiritually; She'll definitely help; Amma does not promise to save the world; says yes, pray but leave the results to God hope this helps, just my POV at this time. Om Santi, anatol
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true
I dont know.nbsp;nbsp; The day that things got out of hand In Rwanda I was at a wedding for a Rwandan woman who was marrying a white guy.nbsp;nbsp; The wedding went well and we were waiting for the reception to begin.nbsp;nbsp; Things got quiet people began crying and getting very nervous.nbsp;nbsp; It was suggested that everyone go home.nbsp;nbsp; My friend a former MIU student Rwandan was my connection to everyone.nbsp;nbsp; I didn't know anything about Tutsi people at the time.nbsp;nbsp; Yet later I wouldnbsp; learn that they were considered to be gypsies.nbsp;nbsp; They are a nomadic tribe so it was not in their nature to be in one place.nbsp;nbsp; So this makes room for a land dispute.nbsp;nbsp; Also they have no problem with asking for what they want.nbsp; Well so when I found out what had occurred I was shocked.nbsp;nbsp; Yet the same things was happening in Bosnia, and other countries in Euro Slavic area.nbsp;nbsp; Religious wars are old.nbsp; Wars over difference are old.nbsp; Who can fathom why something like Rwanda could ever happen.nbsp;nbsp; What I do know is that Grace was one of my most beautiful friends physically and every other way.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; The idea that a large portion of her family was killed that day in those days was horrible. In terms of Aparthied the objective was never to extinguish anyone.nbsp;nbsp; The Blacks we good servants .nbsp;nbsp; It would have been economically and politically unacceptable to commit any form of ethnic cleansing.nbsp;nbsp; Yet the Afrikans had control issues.nbsp;nbsp; They used torture, segregation and violence to control people they tried to construe to be savages.nbsp;nbsp; The US system was even initially more brutal than apartheid.nbsp;nbsp; Who knows how many people were killed in the American Slavery system.nbsp; Yet after slavery we had apartheid.nbsp;nbsp; This apartheid system is still happening in America today.nbsp;nbsp; So do I think that apartheid saved the people of South Afrika for attack or genocide?nbsp; No, it was not the issue.nbsp;nbsp; What were the issues? control and domination.nbsp;nbsp; This control and domination by a few over a multitude will not happen. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, shempmcgurk lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: shempmcgurk lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 3:14 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; In all the world dark skin is thought of as less than except in central and west Africa. In South Africa during Aparthied there was whites Asians Colored and Blacks Asians and Colored were thought to be equal they all had to yield to the white. Here's another question for you, Louis: We've heard from another poster that in Rwanda over 800,000 people were slaughtered in the tribal warfare between Hutu's and Tsutsi's. Both people were black-skinned, so we don't tend to call this racism but I think you can agree that the conflict was based upon classifying people according to their membership in a group and people were killed according to their placement in one or the other group. South Africa had a classification system as well. It was called Apartheir in which people were segregated into different groups according to skin color (Black, White, Colored, Asian, etc.) In the fight to end Apartheid only a few thousand people over about 50 years were killed, at most. Yet we had 800,000 black-skinned people killed under Rwanda's system - - albeit a traditional non-legal system of classification. Which system, to you, was worse? gt; gt; --- On Sun, 6/15/08, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gt; From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Racism of Indians toward African Americans is INSANE but true gt; To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com gt; Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 1:33 AM gt; gt; --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ gt; wrote: gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; (snip) gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Louis: gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; I'm curious to know what you feel about Maharishi's attitude gt; towards gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; African-Americans and Black Africans in general (I use the gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; term Black Africans to differentiate them from White gt; Africans, gt; amp;gt; such gt; amp;gt; (snip) gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; After years of British Rule in India, I think the Indian people gt; have gt; amp;gt; had a love/hate relationship with the Brits... gt; amp;gt; They seem to like the orderliness, the Monarchy, different things gt; amp;gt; about the Brits that has helped their culture. gt; amp;gt; While at the same time, they hate being regarded as 'Black'... gt; amp;gt; While traveling in Africa, Mahatma Gandhi experienced this gt; prejudice gt; amp;gt; in South Africa, when he was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tim Russert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You say the diet deals with individual needs. What is meant by that? It doesn't look like I'm going to find that out very easily from his site. .. just a clarification; I didn't say the diet, deals with your individual needs I said start with the ETL core diet and YOU deal with your individual needs. we all have cholesterol build up and 80% or more Americans are overweight and about 30% obese as I understand it, ETL is the best diet for these problems study it, try it before rejecting it i tried macrobiotics, ayurveda, super-foods, super-supplements,: fruit, etc, etc for 30 years before stumbling on this contemplate on this mantra: Nutritional Healing Potential = Nutrients/Calories if Chopra knew this maybe he would not be so fat; he doesn't look that healthy; remember his book/tapes on weight lose? what happened? obviously, he doesn't walk his talk! i was 175 lbs 20 years ago; now I'm 130lbs my lowest was 120 a few years ago after India hope this helps om santi, anatol
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: . But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. . The way I think you are presenting it and the way Anatol has presented it (at least the way I'm interpreting what you've said) it is as if one must find something else that is spiritual in walking away. For me, where I differ is that something more fulfilling might not be another spiritually-based philosophy, practice, religion or teacher. In my case I discovered the value of just working hard at something and finding that the harder I work the more successful I am. This is in direct contrast to the do nothing accomplish more (or however that goes) aphorism heard for so long. Plus I wouldn't call what I'm doing or the transition I made more fulfilling but it is more satisfactory. Ken
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bet is that life will continue to operate in the same mysterious way it has operated for eternity, * Your reply is way too talky to bother with, but as far as the notion that the universe is too mysterious to understand, that is just the inevitable anthem of ignorance of limited awareness (like the child's awe at the workings of a watch). The cure for this is, of course, expanded awareness, which in its infinite value of sat chit ananda, illuminates everything and doesn't leave any room for mystery. When I was a kid, I used to ride the roller coaster at Santa Monica's Pacific Ocean Park all day long (the ride was not as stressful as today's well-engineered roller coasters), but when I grew up, I found other ways to spend my time since the thrill had gone out of rollering. But nature, trying to speed up the process of getting people out of ignorant ways of life, always encourages people not to remain in the misery of the round of rebirths that ignorance makes necessary, and it does that by making people suffer. When people suffer enough, they become receptive to wisdom, and they eventually get on the path of expanding their awareness so that they can live their real nature of sat chit ananda.
[FairfieldLife] Learning to read, fluently?
British kids: three years in average. Finnish kids: three months in average. (According to Masha Bell, in The Observer.) I guess it's not hard to know, why... ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flood pictures from Iowa City ( U od I )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pictures of University of Iowa campus flooding taken on Saturday, 6/14. Classes are canceled for all of next week. http://picasaweb.google.com/jonhath/IowaCityFloodOf2008 ** On the up side, the 1993 floods exposed 375 million yr old fossils near Iowa City -- it's stunning to see these ancient remains on open rock face -- maybe some new stuff will come up after this latest washout. http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/natural/devonian.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
On Jun 15, 2008, at 5:59 PM, bob_brigante wrote: Your reply is way too talky to bother with, but as far as the notion that the universe is too mysterious to understand, that is just the inevitable anthem of ignorance of limited awareness (like the child's awe at the workings of a watch). The cure for this is, of course, expanded awareness, which in its infinite value of sat chit ananda, illuminates everything and doesn't leave any room for mystery. What a lonely, empty life you must lead, Bob, where there's no room for mystery. JMO. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Privatization of the Internet?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] We used to have a tax rate on the very wealthy of 91%. It is now down to 35% the same as the middle class. Progressive taxation is NOT a way to fund government but a disincentive to accumulate too [snip] Most accumulation of wealth does not happen via taxable or earned income, Bhairitu, but from capital gains which are taxed differently than the income tax rates which you cite. High tax rates don't hurt the rich as they already have their money. By and large they don't really care what the highest marginal rate is because they will just pay themselves or structure their income- producing investments in such a way that they won't produce income that is taxed at high rates (assuming the high rates were put into place). High marginal tax rates hurt the poor, NOT the rich. Why? Because tax rates are for EVERYBODY and the poor and the non-rich WANT to become rich and won't be able to if the government takes 90% of every dollar they earn at a certain level. And the rich can always live off of principal which is never taxed until they die.
[FairfieldLife] More Rain Forecast for Flood Weary Iowa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpl2pJqRks The 'Maharishi Effect' Doctrine I know that most men, including those who are at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they had delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they had proudly taught to others, and which they had woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives. ~~ Leo Tolstoy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tim Russert
amarnath wrote: just a clarification; I didn't say the diet, deals with your individual needs I said start with the ETL core diet and YOU deal with your individual needs. we all have cholesterol build up and 80% or more Americans are overweight and about 30% obese as I understand it, ETL is the best diet for these problems study it, try it before rejecting it i tried macrobiotics, ayurveda, super-foods, super-supplements,: fruit, etc, etc for 30 years before stumbling on this contemplate on this mantra: Nutritional Healing Potential = Nutrients/Calories if Chopra knew this maybe he would not be so fat; he doesn't look that healthy; remember his book/tapes on weight lose? what happened? obviously, he doesn't walk his talk! i was 175 lbs 20 years ago; now I'm 130lbs my lowest was 120 a few years ago after India hope this helps om santi, anatol Thanks but I have my own program. I've been studying and using alternative medicine and nutrition since 1972. Deepak looks fine for a pitta-kapha constitution. Dr. Fuhrman OTOH looks a bit vata to me. Of course one is likely to have reduced cholesterol with a vata imbalance but that is not good health. I had a naturopath put me on a diet in 1977 that worked well for the summer and I lost weight and by December weighed in 140 lbs but I was cold all the time and didn't have much energy. The diet needed to change come fall or colder weather to prevent the vata imbalance. During that time blood test showed very low cholesterol (not considered so good these days) and triglycerides.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Privatization of the Internet?
shempmcgurk wrote: Most accumulation of wealth does not happen via taxable or earned income, Bhairitu, but from capital gains which are taxed differently than the income tax rates which you cite. High tax rates don't hurt the rich as they already have their money. By and large they don't really care what the highest marginal rate is because they will just pay themselves or structure their income- producing investments in such a way that they won't produce income that is taxed at high rates (assuming the high rates were put into place). High marginal tax rates hurt the poor, NOT the rich. Why? Because tax rates are for EVERYBODY and the poor and the non-rich WANT to become rich and won't be able to if the government takes 90% of every dollar they earn at a certain level. And the rich can always live off of principal which is never taxed until they die. Should we be surprised that Shemp is once again defending the unethical (or idle) rich? And a progressive tax does not hurt the poor because they pay far less in taxes due to their rate being lower. What part of progressive did you not understand or does the word make your mind quiver? And maybe we should tax capital gains more. :) You must listen to Bob Brinker too much. He was on the warpath against Obama this afternoon and worried that the idle rich won't be able to keep their wealth. Raid the MF'ers I say! Time for a new bunch of Robin Hoods!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In my case I discovered the value of just working hard at something and finding that the harder I work the more successful I am. This is in direct contrast to the do nothing accomplish more (or however that goes) aphorism heard for so long. It's Do less and accomplish more, and ultimately, Do nothing and accomplish everything. But that doesn't mean Don't work hard, Ken. Remember Meditate, and then plunge into vigorous activity? And remember One who is in Union with the Divine and who knows the Truth will maintain, 'I do not act at all.' In seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, [etc.], he holds simply that the senses act among the objects of sense? (Gita 5:8-9) As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not doing anything, it's the gunas). Whether you believe any of this or not, your working hard and being successful is in no way in contrast with it, at least in terms of how I've always understood it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
Kenny wrote: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines Thanks for the invite, Kenny, but somehow I just don't see myself driving up I-35 to Des Moines, Iowa this weekend. Besides, I can't stand that liberal Garrison Keelor. Some, possibly misguided fools, think he is funny, but to drive into a flood zone and pay him - I don't hink so. One moans for shame that such a vulgar jerk is thought of, and even known overseas, as some kind of national entertainer. Read more: 'Garrison Keillor, Vulgarian' By Christopher Hitchens Slate, Monday, Feb. 13, 2006 http://www.slate.com/id/2136056/ TurquoiseB wrote: I don't usually comment on Willytex's posts, but this one is just so perfect that I must. What Willytex does is to sit out there in the dark of cyberspace and wait for someone to post about something they love or that inspires them. Then Willytex searches the Internet or his own archives for some article or post that is negative about the same subject and sends it off, like some deranged Anti-Ballistic Missile from the Reagan era's proposed Star Wars satellites, on a mission to seek and snuff out the light before it spreads. Speaking of sitting out there 'in the dark of cyberspace', apparently Barry doesn't read 'Slate' or listen to 'A Prairie Home Companion.' But I do both - so shut yer yap, Barry and stop making trollish comments to my posts, unless you have something worthwhile to say!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not doing anything, it's the gunas). Thanks for the clarification Judy. What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month courses, move to FF, in the domes, Vedic Atom, Ayurvedic course) and did NOT experience increasing support of nature as long as I lived within the confines of the TM-based community/lifestyle. It was only when I completely broke free from it-from the total package lifestyle that I found support for my actions. Whether nature has anything to do with it I'm unsure. I do know that the fact that I work hard and do a good job and keep working hard and doing a good job seems to work. Perhaps it is nature but that is pretty abstract for me at this point. I also tend to think I got very very lucky. Many people work very hard and don't experience success. I also worked very hard while I was living in FF and going to the domes and watched my life continue to spiral downwards. Maybe on the abstract level of life I'm not the doer and if thats the case I hope the nondoer is having more fun than I am! Ken Whether you believe any of this or not, your working hard and being successful is in no way in contrast with it, at least in terms of how I've always understood it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
Dear Ken, I suspect your project will be, very enlightening. You have a pretty good editor's eye I look forward to reading it when it is published. It will be relavent to a bunch of people. But also, stick 'Chicken-Soup' in the title and you'll sell some millions. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not doing anything, it's the gunas). Thanks for the clarification Judy. What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month courses, move to FF, in the domes, Vedic Atom, Ayurvedic course) and did NOT experience increasing support of nature as long as I lived within the confines of the TM-based community/lifestyle. It was only when I completely broke free from it-from the total package lifestyle that I found support for my actions. Whether nature has anything to do with it I'm unsure. I do know that the fact that I work hard and do a good job and keep working hard and doing a good job seems to work. Perhaps it is nature but that is pretty abstract for me at this point. I also tend to think I got very very lucky. Many people work very hard and don't experience success. I also worked very hard while I was living in FF and going to the domes and watched my life continue to spiral downwards. Maybe on the abstract level of life I'm not the doer and if thats the case I hope the nondoer is having more fun than I am! Ken Whether you believe any of this or not, your working hard and being successful is in no way in contrast with it, at least in terms of how I've always understood it.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Everyone seems to be doing better at controlling those obsessive-compulsive posts. Yahoo Groups Post Counter = Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 14 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 21 00:00:00 2008 -- Searching... 225 messages as of (UTC) Mon Jun 16 00:12:13 2008 Member Posts TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]15 ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]14 Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]14 new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13 dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]12 Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]11 Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11 Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]9 Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7 shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]6 cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]3 Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 John [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 Marcelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Mark Kincaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 paul mccarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Privatization of the Internet?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Most accumulation of wealth does not happen via taxable or earned income, Bhairitu, but from capital gains which are taxed differently than the income tax rates which you cite. High tax rates don't hurt the rich as they already have their money. By and large they don't really care what the highest marginal rate is because they will just pay themselves or structure their income- producing investments in such a way that they won't produce income that is taxed at high rates (assuming the high rates were put into place). High marginal tax rates hurt the poor, NOT the rich. Why? Because tax rates are for EVERYBODY and the poor and the non-rich WANT to become rich and won't be able to if the government takes 90% of every dollar they earn at a certain level. And the rich can always live off of principal which is never taxed until they die. Should we be surprised that Shemp is once again defending the unethical (or idle) rich? And a progressive tax does not hurt the poor because they pay far less in taxes due to their rate being lower. The poor don't pary far less in taxes because the poor don't pay any taxes to begin with. But a progressive tax, if anything, DOES hurt the poor because if you put the highest marginal rates up too much, you cut down on tax revenue...and when you cut down on tax revenue you increase the possibility that the poor will have their programs cut or reduced. What part of progressive did you not understand or does the word make your mind quiver? And maybe we should tax capital gains more. :) Go ahead...all you'll do is hurt the poor. And, say, Bhairitu, didn't we have a discussion last week (I think it was with you) about corporate tax and you didn't believe a claim that I made, yet I documented that I was, indeed, correct and you were wrong? Have you conceded yet that I was right and that you stand corrected? I would appreciate it if you would. Thank you. You must listen to Bob Brinker too much. Never heard of him. He was on the warpath against Obama this afternoon and worried that the idle rich won't be able to keep their wealth. Raid the MF'ers I say! Time for a new bunch of Robin Hoods! As I've documented here countless times (and it does no good to reproduce it here as it goes in one of your ears, Bhairitu, and right out the other), the rich pay far, far more than their fair share of taxes. As for Barack's recent proposal about Social Security contributions in which he wants people with $250,000 or more of taxable income to pay 6.2% on all income over that amount in SS contributions (it's actual double that -- 12.4% -- for anyone that is self-employed or own a company, which is most of those people), Barack hasn't told us yet whether those people will get MORE benefit from the extra contributions, which is the law of Social Security. If that's the case, it very well may be a windfall for them and they may not mind the new tax at all (you see, Barack is like a High School Senior running for School Council President...he really doesn't know what he's talking about half the time and makes all sorts of wonderful- sounding promises that when he is confronted with their consequences, he always looks like a deer caught in the headlights).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not doing anything, it's the gunas). Thanks for the clarification Judy. What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month courses, move to FF, in the domes, Vedic Atom, Ayurvedic course) and did NOT experience increasing support of nature as long as I lived within the confines of the TM-based community/lifestyle. It was only when I completely broke free from it-from the total package lifestyle that I found support for my actions. Yeah, I personally don't think support of nature is a useful concept on a practical basis, because even if it exists, there's no way to *identify* it. I mean, one could suggest that you were experiencing support of nature in that what nature wanted was for you to go off on your own, so it was making things tough on you in order to encourage you to leave the TMO. Whether nature has anything to do with it I'm unsure. I do know that the fact that I work hard and do a good job and keep working hard and doing a good job seems to work. Perhaps it is nature but that is pretty abstract for me at this point. I also tend to think I got very very lucky. You could call getting lucky support of nature as well. But there's no way to be sure, so what good is it? Anything that happens to one can be construed as support of nature (or lack thereof, for that matter) in one way or another. Maybe the attitude to take is that *everything* that happens to one is support of nature, and then just make the best of it. Many people work very hard and don't experience success. I also worked very hard while I was living in FF and going to the domes and watched my life continue to spiral downwards. Maybe on the abstract level of life I'm not the doer and if thats the case I hope the nondoer is having more fun than I am! grin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone seems to be doing better at controlling those obsessive-compulsive posts. The whole compulsive posting mantra is a crock. People post more when there are more conversations going on that they find of interest, period. And that varies from day to day and week to week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Yeah, I personally don't think support of nature is a useful concept on a practical basis, because even if it exists, there's no way to *identify* it. I mean, one could suggest that you were experiencing support of nature in that what nature wanted was for you to go off on your own, so it was making things tough on you in order to encourage you to leave the TMO. Isn't this what's called a conundrum? or is it We have an answer for everything! Ken P.s. How's Atlantic City treating you (and vice-versa?).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
-... You're (anatol - below) placing a wide variety of Gurus into the same package, but then making contradictory conclusions on the basis of two different subsets. To clarify by way of example: Some Neo-Advaitins include people such as Eckart Tolle, Byron Katie, Ramesh Balsekar, Wayne Liquorman, etc. But an Advaitin ecompasses a much broader category including basically - all non-dualists. (without nitpicking, at your leisure refer to Wiki or some of the experts on this forum such as Willytex, or (at times) Vaj. At any rate, all Neo-Advaitins are Advaitins, but since Advaita is an immense, huge category; only a small slice of them are Neo- Advaitins. Without getting into precise defintions, for now let's just list some examples. I. Examples of Advaitins who are NOT Neo-Advaitins: 1. MMY, 2. Muktananda, 3. Amma, 4. Karunamayi, 5. Shreema 5. Adi Da (could go either way depending on different phases of his career ; 6. SSRS 7. SBS, 8. Nityananda, 9. all of the Kriya-Yogins and 10. The Dalai Lama and most Buddhist teachers; although SOME might fit into the Neo- Advaitin cateogory. II. Examples of Advaitins who are also Neo-Advaitins. Byron Katie and many already mentioned: Eckart Tolle, etc.. Andrew Cohen is a wobbler by virtue of his evolutionary, progressive world view, and thus could also fit into I). Ken Wilber seems to have a pretty good understanding of I and II, and it's difficult to categorize him; but his transpersonal psychology partakes of many progressive elements so I'd place him more in I. There's a 3-rd category: the parents or grandparents of the modern Neo-Advaitins, who by virtue of certain aspects of their teachings, spawned a horde of second-rate imitators (virtually the whole crowd of Neo-Advaitins who don't measure up at all to these giants): III. Ramana Maharshi, HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj. I submit to you that although all of the above (I, II, III) are Advaitins, only some of them are ENLIGHTENED. I would place those in III in that category, but close to NONE in category II, and all in I. Your tactic of lumping all such Gurus together in one category without differentiating them, doesn't advance our knowledge of the Spiritual sciences. In essense, you are implying that people like James Braha, Byron Katie, etc; are on the same level of awareness as people like Ramama Maharshi and Guru Dev. (SBS). You're missing one major point. Given that a person is Self-Realized, this only addresses one have of the Brahman equation: Brahman = (two in One, as One). The two aspects (Cf. Science of Being and Art of Living - then go on to the recorded talks of MMY). are 1. pure Consciousness and 2. relative existence AS pure Consciousness. The Neo-Advaitins address (mainly), the Self aspect, or to use Tolle's favorite word, Presence. But MMY goes on to say that in GC, one acquires an ability to appreciate the finer, Celestial/Glorified levels of creation. Although in UC one is not attached to these levels of creation in an ontological sense, the appreciation is still available. A Neo-Advaitin sympathizer accessing this forum (108) seeks to discredit MMY's teachings on the Celestial-Glorified levels of creation; implying that if people engage the senses in these levels, it's a form of masturbation. But it's OK for him to gain some enjoyment from seeing the movie In Bruges. So why can't the Enlightened people gain some extra pleasures by tuning into the celestial levels of creation, and possibly travel around the universe seeing the countless Souls in other dimensions? In addition, none of the Neo-Advaitins give an account of their Glorified/Celestial experiences while passing through GC. That's because they haven't passed through those levels of creation yet and and thus not Enlightened. I recommend that you look into the situation with more depth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: . What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. . Just my opinion... Very Good Points ! Turq, Namaste! In my reading of long time seekers who have eventually realized awakening via the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
One thing about the TM way of life is that people become like Robots.nbsp;nbsp; Maharishi never said people have to become robots to have success with TM.nbsp;nbsp; The ones who chose to become robots made life easier because there was not need to sell courses products or anything just give the command and it was done.nbsp;nbsp; That is the business perspective.nbsp; On the other hand Maharishi discouraged such behavior for a long time and encouraged people to go back into activity.nbsp;nbsp; Something about sticking Cadillacs in ford garages or square pegs into round holes.nbsp;nbsp; The best thing that Maharishi gave was choice.nbsp;nbsp; You could have learned the techniques went into the business world and lived a normal life. You chose not to.nbsp; I could have stayed at MIU and went on Purusha I chose not to Choice..the techniques work in any circumstance --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Kenny H lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Kenny H lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 9:00 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt;gt; gt; As I understand those aphorisms, they refer gt; to (1) increasing support of nature, so that gt; one is more successful at whatever one is gt; doing; and (2) the experience that one is not gt; the author of one's actions (I'm not doing gt; anything, it's the gunas). gt; Thanks for the clarification Judy. What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month courses, move to FF, in the domes, Vedic Atom, Ayurvedic course) and did NOT experience increasing support of nature as long as I lived within the confines of the TM-based community/lifestyle. It was only when I completely broke free from it-from the total package lifestyle that I found support for my actions. Whether nature has anything to do with it I'm unsure. I do know that the fact that I work hard and do a good job and keep working hard and doing a good job seems to work. Perhaps it is nature but that is pretty abstract for me at this point. I also tend to think I got very very lucky. Many people work very hard and don't experience success. I also worked very hard while I was living in FF and going to the domes and watched my life continue to spiral downwards. Maybe on the abstract level of life I'm not the doer and if thats the case I hope the nondoer is having more fun than I am! Ken gt; Whether you believe any of this or not, your gt; working hard and being successful is in no way gt; in contrast with it, at least in terms of how gt; I've always understood it. gt; To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links lt;*gt; To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ lt;*gt; Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional lt;*gt; To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) lt;*gt; To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Yeah, I personally don't think support of nature is a useful concept on a practical basis, because even if it exists, there's no way to *identify* it. I mean, one could suggest that you were experiencing support of nature in that what nature wanted was for you to go off on your own, so it was making things tough on you in order to encourage you to leave the TMO. Isn't this what's called a conundrum? or is it We have an answer for everything! Something good is happening. Same deal. I think the word for it is unfalsifiable. P.s. How's Atlantic City treating you (and vice-versa?). Yikes, not Atlantic City! I'm on the Jersey shore, but in a town much farther north, and much *quieter*. I'm loving it. To be able to walk few steps and stand with my back to civilization, looking out on pure nature extending for thousands of miles, is exhilarating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Bruges
Ditto that - offbeat, dark, funny, sexy. It does that thing that art does so often, which is to make the reprehensible actually rather charming. Metaphor for celestial perception, what? I get to see these films despite living in a quasi-rural area because we have a little art theater in our town hall. On top of it all, on Saturday afternoons the proprietor shows classic films for free to raise money for the library, the food pantry and other causes. He makes money on the snacks and everybody comes out happy. http://www.wiltontownhalltheatre.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Bhairitu and Stu and the other film freaks on this forum, I have to pass along word of one of the best films I have seen in quite some time. It's by the best Oscar-winning director you've never heard of, Martin McDonagh. He won for a short film called Six Shooter, which is already downloading in the background after watching his first feature-length film, In Bruges. It's difficult to to describe, except with the word brilliant. It's about a couple of Irish hit men who are holed up in Bruges, Belgium after one of their jobs goes bad. Suffice it to say that in Bruges, things go even worse. Starring Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, and Ralph Fiennes, it's in the tradition of Sexy Beast, but done as a very, very dark comedy, with that Irish sense of humor that makes you laugh even when you probably shouldn't be. The last line is to die for. Or not, depending on how you feel about Bruges.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
Maharishi on support of Nature: Transcendental Meditation makes the active mind fully silent, spontaneously, and that silence remains when one comes out of meditation, then the mind remains silent and remains activesilent and active. Just like a businessman goes to the bank and he comes out, his pocket full, and he moves around in the market very easily, and he does not have to struggle to gain profit in the market if he has money in the pocket. Like that, the inner creativity from Transcendental Meditation comes out and then, with increased creativity, people don't have to work that hard. The principle of Transcendental Meditation is: no hardness in life. This great principle isdo less and accomplish more. In the principle of shooting an arrow with great force, we just pull the arrow back and releaseit will go very far and hit the target with great force. So success is not gained through hard work: success is gained by having the infinite organizing power of Natural Law in our favor. So Transcendental Meditation brings the favor of Natural Lawbrings the creativity of Natural Law, which governs the whole universeso everything becomes very easy for the Meditators to achieve. (more) http://www.tm.org/maharishi/interview.html
[FairfieldLife] 'What Would Barack Do?'
Same as Jesus, only more political...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning to read, fluently?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: British kids: three years in average. Finnish kids: three months in average. (According to Masha Bell, in The Observer.) I guess it's not hard to know, why... ;-) ...Finland has perhaps the most regular of all European orthographies in its close sound-symbol correspondence and consistency. Even the names of the letters are user-friendly because they show their pronunciation. ... The regular spelling itself is a major reason why Finns have one of the highest literacy rates in the world. ...Finland claims with some justice to have one of the most literate and active reading populations in the world. Venezky (1973) concluded from a study of Finnish children that more rapid acquisition of literacy was possible when there was greater phoneme-grapheme correspondence, and Finns themselves give credit to the ease of learning the spelling system. When children begin school at the age of seven, fifteen per cent are already literate enough to start in second grade, since the spelling system requires only a few clues from adults for children to pick it up. Kyöstiö (1973) estimated that Finland has about half the proportion of students with reading difficulties as in the U. S., and their backwardness was attributed mostly to lower intelligence, general language difficulties and environmental problems. http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/wrintprob.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Over the past recent weeks, had no posting limits been in place, the incessant battle of wits might have compelled as many as 300 - 350 FFL posts in a week from a single poster, as 50 posts from a single poster were submitted in the first 24 hours of the first day of the 'week' for several weeks. I don't accept the explanation that the most interesting conversations on-line happen to occur on Saturday. FFL is quiet - a far preferable atmosphere than incessant noise and heat with little light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Everyone seems to be doing better at controlling those obsessive-compulsive posts. The whole compulsive posting mantra is a crock. People post more when there are more conversations going on that they find of interest, period. And that varies from day to day and week to week.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:34 PM, bob_brigante wrote: The principle of Transcendental Meditation is: no hardness in life. This great principle is—do less and accomplish more. In the principle of shooting an arrow with great force, we just pull the arrow back and release—it will go very far and hit the target with great force. But aside from beginner's luck, it will only hit the target repeatedly with skill and concentration on the part of the archer, (especially with great force) something only gained through practice, ie. hard work. So success is not gained through hard work: success is gained by having the infinite organizing power of Natural Law in our favor. And the moon is made of green cheese. Do you actually believe any of the above, Bob? Do you think MMY believed it? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past recent weeks, had no posting limits been in place, the incessant battle of wits might have compelled as many as 300 - 350 FFL posts in a week from a single poster, as 50 posts from a single poster were submitted in the first 24 hours of the first day of the 'week' for several weeks. Allow me to introduce myself: my name is Judy. (Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to?) And your stats are bullsh*t, as is your estimate. I don't accept the explanation that the most interesting conversations on-line happen to occur on Saturday. Well, you know, it might depend on what you find of interest, don't you think? Take this week. I've made eight posts in two days. Why? Not because I'm controlling my obsessive- compulsive posting but because there have been few threads I've had an interest in commenting on. I made 24 posts the weekend of May 31-June 1, 30 the weekend of May 17-18. (I'd have to check, but I don't believe I ever made 50 posts in 24 hours. And even when there were no posting limits, I never made anything like 300 posts in a week.) FFL is quiet - a far preferable atmosphere than incessant noise and heat with little light. Depending, of course, on what you perceive as noise and heat with little light, and on whether you prefer passivity to dynamism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Everyone seems to be doing better at controlling those obsessive-compulsive posts. The whole compulsive posting mantra is a crock. People post more when there are more conversations going on that they find of interest, period. And that varies from day to day and week to week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: True. Emotions can be exacerbated by bliss. A lot of people in the world never experience the purifying power of the white-hot fire of the bliss fire-iron, and they bury emotions deep down in a prison, then they grow old and gray beings. As you stated in your earlier post no one can escape bliss. It seems to be the driving force behind creation and evolving. There are however differences in the levels of bliss-fire people can consciously contain and hence be aware of. However if you can be aware of even a little of it, and also appreciate this subtle energy or fire, you can also gradually learn to contain more of it. I think it is true that infusing the bliss-fire into your being can help with physical pain, and it can even cure it completely. It regenerates the cells. However, I think all emotion either must come out of its prison, or it must be dissolved. The bliss-fire purifies like a hot iron in a wound. True bliss, if you manage to experience it for a while, has a tendency to activate many kinds of hidden emotions, affects, feelings, bodily sensations, you have not been aware of earlier. If you cannot contain these activations and appropriately work with them, you most probably start to act them out, or you feel illness related symptoms. I suspect this phenomenon has created the interpretation that bliss is stupid. Bliss is not stupid. People just are not capable of consciously harnessing this energy appropriately. It could also be why Maharishi said bliss is not always blissful, which I never really got until this thread. Bliss is actually more like fire in my experience (yet it is pure bliss) and that purifying fire brings on changes (in an instant)that can be very powerful and almost earth shaking (tricky, and even highly disturbing.) I think this is what he must have meant, since the onset of bliss-fire can be very scary because it does not feel like it is me --- something much more powerful and even one could say has very little to do with human creatures and their small minded world, something very powerful. The bliss-fire includes in it both the light and the dark. It is nondual. People tend to appreciate only the light aspect, and may have wishes that it will wipe out the darkness. It won't, because the heavy, dark energies are included in the bliss-fire. If you can appreciate only the light aspect of bliss-fire, you will be in trouble. That is true, because it is fire as much as bliss. That is why I called it that - blissfire. But like all good stories, I do think that the ending is the bright, because where is the fun in it otherwise. All of existence is just a story. A story that ended in mud, confusion, hate, and non-itelligence (retardation) is not a story. We tell stories because the nature of existence goes from light to hell(percieved annihilation/intense fear) and back to light. I don't know where this bliss-fire will go, but I gave up caring a long time ago, so I just go with it when I can. If you can gradually learn to appreciate equally the light and dark aspects of life in yourself keeping them present simultaneously, the whole picture changes. There will be less alternation with periods of bliss and heavy ppurification, the so called `dark nights of the soul'. Everything becomes gradually bliss-fire. I think the light and dark are totally engulfed in something very scary, this bliss-fire. Anyone who has experienced it will admit it is very very scary. If they say they have experienced bliss, and do not admit this, then they are talking about something else - insignificant. So, I agree, you have to let go to it, it will annihilate you wether you like it or not. The miracle I find is that just when I think it will engulf me, then I am back and still existing. That seems like a miracle. It is amazing, and also definately not as much fun as people who have not experienced the fire think. But I would not exchange it for anything. Enlightenment without knowledge of this is a complete joke. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the Self to be a bit of a silly term too, but I do not clain to be enlightened either. I do know that the purifying bliss-fire that physically changes the body feels alien to me in some ways, and yet it is so powerful no being in the universe can possibly avoid being sub-servient to it, and you wouldn't want to either. The concept would be absurd, even though in the beginning you feel like you are being annihilated, and resist it greatly. Later you just give up to it. As world consciousness rises there will be no escape from it (even by those fools that will still be shouting its just attachment to feel- good! as they are submerged and consumed by its power forevermore.) What I am trying to figure out is what people mean by things like enlightenment and bliss and witnessing and consciousness, etc. Tough job. I think pursuing 'enlightenment is a waste of time and basically drives people nuts and/or makes them like some kind of autistic compulsive type gibbering on about enlightenment, , where's the enlightenment? There are a few of them on FFL. Maharishi pretty much describes enlightenment as when the body and mind no longer store karma as stress (which builds up like unwanted gunk in an engine) and also he said a million times that 24 hour bliss (witnessing sleep in bliss) is a good marker stone. I have neither of these and I don't care about that, but I have many times had prolonged periods of these, and the bliss I have experienced almost every night, is undoubtedly more like a purifying fire from Heaven (or somewhere higher) than some feelgood chillin' out thang, that the descenters on FFL think it is because they have never experienced the bliss-fire. OffWorld This lack of experience in those that criticise TM, and the fact that many TM'ers report this and similar experiences, is obviously a red cloth right in the face of people like the Turq and others here on FFL. Not experiencing much now or during their more or less short practise they panic by the thought that the technique the abandoned because of lack of patience and seriousness all those years ago actually works very well. And resort to ridicule. And that is why they have avoided this thread. They are afraid in their minds, and confounded by honest descriptions that are given with nothing to gain. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Bill Clinton= Don't ask, don't tell...'
The Clinton's made being a liar an artform...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Pharmaceuticals mainstream. Pharmaceuticals. Some people just get all nasty, rude and obsessive- compulsive without them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past recent weeks, had no posting limits been in place, the incessant battle of wits might have compelled as many as 300 - 350 FFL posts in a week from a single poster, as 50 posts from a single poster were submitted in the first 24 hours of the first day of the 'week' for several weeks. I don't accept the explanation that the most interesting conversations on-line happen to occur on Saturday. FFL is quiet - a far preferable atmosphere than incessant noise and heat with little light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Everyone seems to be doing better at controlling those obsessive-compulsive posts. The whole compulsive posting mantra is a crock. People post more when there are more conversations going on that they find of interest, period. And that varies from day to day and week to week.
[FairfieldLife] I'm Voting Republican
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not doing anything, it's the gunas). Thanks for the clarification Judy. What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month courses, move to FF, in the domes, Vedic Atom, Ayurvedic course) and did NOT experience increasing support of nature as long as I lived within the confines of the TM-based community/lifestyle. It was only when I completely broke free from it-from the total package lifestyle that I found support for my actions. Whether nature has anything to do with it I'm unsure. I do know that the fact that I work hard and do a good job and keep working hard and doing a good job seems to work. Perhaps it is nature but that is pretty abstract for me at this point. I also tend to think I got very very lucky. Many people work very hard and don't experience success. I also worked very hard while I was living in FF and going to the domes and watched my life continue to spiral downwards. Maybe on the abstract level of life I'm not the doer and if thats the case I hope the nondoer is having more fun than I am! Ken I have exactly the same experience as you, only now with little or no involvment with the Movement and with great joy and energy do I enjoy success in the material world. From from where does that energy and clarity come that is the basis of this success ? I can say with 100% conviction that is comes as a result of all those years of Tapas, without which all that is happening now would not be possible. Not one single moment of Tapas was wasted. Remember the bow analogy ? This is what we are experiencing now. Whether you believe any of this or not, your working hard and being successful is in no way in contrast with it, at least in terms of how I've always understood it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
I figured it was a forgone conclusion that they would play the purification angle. Can you imagine being the one who has to trot that out? As Ken says, we bought into that 20 years ago, but now? Every Feste, who you can tell wants something to grip onto for an explanation, seems troubled by this. Hard to spin this in a positive way. Time to call David OJ out of retirement! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: The numbers are posted daily here: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html For 23 days out of the past month the number for the US has been achieved in at least the evening--and continuously for the past 17 days. And of course, the super radiance number for the state of Iowa has been surpassed for what--a couple of decades at least? That's why there is no poverty, crime, sickness, disharmony, pollution, or negativity or suffering in Iowa and the weather is always good and the rivers always behave. An alternative Roo viewpoint could be that the increased dome numbers and large group of pandits are having a purifying effect that is manifesting as rain and floods. With enough mental flexibility and creativity, you can consider just about *anything* to be the positive result of the ME effect. OTOH, perhaps there's a negative correlation between ME numbers and well-being, and so many people sitting for so long with blank minds invite in the negative forces to wreak DEVA-station on the nation. Who woulda thunk--maybe Bronte was right? Um... Bronte thinks the world is controlled by reptilian, shape-shifting aliens. AFAIC, she's the last person to seek out for a reality check.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
It's time for a new DSM IV classification: Diminished intellect d/t insatiable cravings for attention and dominance in mundane milieu --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Over the past recent weeks, had no posting limits been in place, the incessant battle of wits might have compelled as many as 300 - 350 FFL posts in a week from a single poster, as 50 posts from a single poster were submitted in the first 24 hours of the first day of the 'week' for several weeks. Allow me to introduce myself: my name is Judy. (Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to?) And your stats are bullsh*t, as is your estimate. I don't accept the explanation that the most interesting conversations on-line happen to occur on Saturday. Well, you know, it might depend on what you find of interest, don't you think? Take this week. I've made eight posts in two days. Why? Not because I'm controlling my obsessive- compulsive posting but because there have been few threads I've had an interest in commenting on. I made 24 posts the weekend of May 31-June 1, 30 the weekend of May 17-18. (I'd have to check, but I don't believe I ever made 50 posts in 24 hours. And even when there were no posting limits, I never made anything like 300 posts in a week.) FFL is quiet - a far preferable atmosphere than incessant noise and heat with little light. Depending, of course, on what you perceive as noise and heat with little light, and on whether you prefer passivity to dynamism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Everyone seems to be doing better at controlling those obsessive-compulsive posts. The whole compulsive posting mantra is a crock. People post more when there are more conversations going on that they find of interest, period. And that varies from day to day and week to week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating: Volunteers Needed in Iowa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is such great satire that if it weren't so blatantly contradicted by the fact that FF/Vedic City has had the numbers for the whole frigging country, let alone Iowa alone, for a while now I'd think the guy was actually serious. Invinbicility at it's best, and an excellent put-on Doug. No, no, no, nay hermandan0. Is Science, either you are with natural law, or you're against it. Those who are against it, like non- meditators, will be crushed by it. Are you with us? Jai Guru Dev. In Natural Law TMJihad, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: ... situations in Iowa, help is needed. They are asking for volunteers to help with sandbagging in Keosauqua and in Iowa City. I don't know any more details but if you or those you know can help, that would be a great service to our communities. --- dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: In higher calling, the science would indicate that meditators should stay sitting holding their back-jacks down in the domes first and let others leave to fill sand-bags. Dome numbers are in critical balance upholding global natural law right now. Sidhas should not abandon their posts unless they could furnish a replacement sidha for their own place in meditation right now. Fill the domes first and fill sand-bags in between meditation. Yogaesta karukarmani. Jai Guru Dev,
[FairfieldLife] Re: mars and venus align.
Same alignment as the earth quake, of the 8th. Also same alignment as of 911. 7:30 tomorrow night. Flooding in southern China kills at least 55 people and forces more than a million to flee their homes -BBC
[FairfieldLife] Barack smokes cigarettes, McCain gambles
Barack can't quit smoking and McCain loves to play the dice in casinos. Does this influence anyone to any degree about their choice?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time for a new DSM IV classification: Diminished intellect d/t insatiable cravings for attention and dominance in mundane milieu Yeah, I think Tom's right. You and he *both* need a good dose of pharmaceuticals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barack smokes cigarettes, McCain gambles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barack can't quit smoking and McCain loves to play the dice in casinos. Does this influence anyone to any degree about their choice? No man, cigarettes are great, the problem is they kill you. So everyone who has taken a few steps down the devil's path has to deal with it and it totally sucks. And I was only down with the devil for a couple or years. Even now when I'm at a party I will often gravitate outside with the bad kids and enjoy a hit or two of the heroin vapors before I remember that I fucking hated smoking. But for a minute and a half my synapses are firing at warp speed. Give Obama a break. Smoking is great, and by the way, it kills you fucking dead. I would never judge a person for wrestling with that pleasure/vice. I wish it didn't kill you so much. They told me I would go blind if I jerked off and now I wear contacts. Fair trade I would say...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barack smokes cigarettes, McCain gambles
I thought he quit --- On Mon, 6/16/08, shempmcgurk lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: shempmcgurk lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barack smokes cigarettes, McCain gambles To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 12:59 AM Barack can't quit smoking and McCain loves to play the dice in casinos. Does this influence anyone to any degree about their choice? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links lt;*gt; To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ lt;*gt; Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional lt;*gt; To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) lt;*gt; To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;*gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
