[FairfieldLife] Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[turquoiseb]

Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
writing more creative posts, as the mindset of the place 
sinks in. With that -- and what I suspect will be the 
reaction to it -- in mind, I shall reflect back on the 
events of the last few days. If you will remember, at the 
end of last week I made a post about four people here on 
FFL whom I characterized as belonging to the C-word (for 
Cultist) Clique. In that post I made a statement that, 
given long experience with these four, I knew would be 
an accurate prediction of their behavior in the few days 
following that post. What I said was:

 Everyone is pretty much aware of what the C-word Clique 
 members DO. It's *not*, after all, as if they have the 
 option of doing anything *else*, being driven by their 
 obsessions and all. Their habitual behavior is to react 
 mindlessly any time that someone on their Hit List posts 
 something that other posters find interesting or worth 
 discussing, and then attempt to smear them any way they 
 can think of.

Now think back to the events of yesterday. I made a post
in which I used an analogy that seems quite apt to me, 
comparing TM's reliance on (and near-worship of) mantras
to Dumbo's feather. In truth, I would extend the metaphor
much further, and apply it to ALL techniques of self-
discovery. Based on my own experience, I don't feel that
any of them really DO anything, *except* to trick the
practitioner into noticing something that was always
already present. If you think about it, my statement is
no different than things that Xeno and others have said
here over the years, only in more accessible language.

So what happened?

The Cultist Clique reacted *exactly* as I said they do
above. First the Judester went into one of her cyber-
stalking frenzies and, not having the spiritual experience
or breadth of knowledge to really challenge what I'd said,
tried to make a Big Fuckin' Deal over me having said it
before. Ho hum. As I said in response to one of the pile-
on Cultists, Repetition is the mother of retention. The
very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
at least 17 years. :-)

But then -- again as predicted -- who do you think piled on?
In order: Ann, Ravi (reverting to C-word status again), and
Jimbo. Nabby must have been taking a sanity break, because 
he stayed out of the scrum for once. And WHAT were they doing? 
Again -- as predicted -- they were uptight that someone had 
written something positive and appreciative about what I had 
written. So they had to get me, and try anything they 
possibly could to demonize me.

I thank them for their participation in my little proactive
prediction experiment. 

As for the rest of the week, I advise people to WATCH, and 
see how often they do exactly the same thing. If I find myself
waxing eloquent in some Parisian cafe, and someone (anyone)
appreciates it, WATCH what they do, and how they react. 

It's a pattern. They're so caught up in it, and so trapped by
their own grudges and hatreds and obsessions, that they can't
*see* the pattern. But others can. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to several

[Share Long]

Thank you Xeno for making me laugh my head off this morning.  Perfect way to 
start the week.  No head (-:
And so I forgive you with all my Pure Consciousness for not being my guru and 
letting me be your devotee.
Be careful though, Raviji is now calling you Uncle!  Next step is Ravi's 
Favorite Spiritual Teacher.  Who knows what comes after that.

Totally without the benefit of jyotish, I am joining the epidemic of prediction 
making about the coming week:
this is the Best Post of the Week.  And I don't even have to know what the rest 
of the posts will be!


PS to dear gull of laughing wings:  keep up the good work (-:

PS to dear Raviji:  you keep up the good work too   



 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
 through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to 
 respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time 
 to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses 
 not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very 
 efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to 
 remember...
 
I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access 
to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji 
Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. 
Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs 
of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of 
His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel 
of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, 
sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.

Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that 
we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most 
Humble power.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to several

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Thank you Xeno for making me laugh my head off this morning.  Perfect way to 
 start the week.  No head (-:
 And so I forgive you with all my Pure Consciousness for not being my guru and 
 letting me be your devotee.
 Be careful though, Raviji is now calling you Uncle!  Next step is Ravi's 
 Favorite Spiritual Teacher.  Who knows what comes after that.
 
 Totally without the benefit of jyotish, I am joining the epidemic of 
 prediction making about the coming week:
 this is the Best Post of the Week.

Good try but no cigar :-) My vote goes to this short one posted by DrD:

Barry: ...something something stupid vindictive cunt something...

Curtis: wannabe negro, wannabe negro, wannabe negro - sixty thousand times
in one post, and posted out last week.

These are the two that have it dialed in on TM, Maharishi, spiritual  practices,
meditation, chicks, flicks, sex, music, the arts, epistemology, enlightenment,
foreign and domestic capitals of the world, cults, spiritual teachers,
attachment, mystical experiences, and Bruce Cockburn. Basically the authorities
on Pretty Much Everything.

Makes sense to me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck

[doctordumbass]

MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation. I don't much 
care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, arrogant, mean and 
hypocritical. Other than that (and his inability to think clearly), he's OK.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
 I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
 of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
 Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The 
 New Movement - Buck
  
 
   
 Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
 this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
 very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
 need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
 
 No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
 his golden oldies.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
   times more eloquently that I do
  
  That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's
  said it 10 times before here:
  
  2/4/13
  
  I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
  movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
  in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
  fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
  ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
  he had been capable of doing all along.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
  
  
  2/8/11
  
  She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
  Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney
  movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
  given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
  magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
  as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
  his fictional case, literally).
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
  
  
  2/15/10
  
  The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
  feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
  meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
  could realize it.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
  
  
  9/3/09
  
  The second concept on which we might differ is about
  nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit
  that they exist, and have experienced such nudges
  myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather.
  That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick
  the person into realizing what is already present, and
  has always already been present.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
  
  
  4/29/08
  
  In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
  kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
  make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
  feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
  doing what he had been able to do all along.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
  
  
  6/30/07
  
  Basically, I see astrology and all other predic-
  tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the
  universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
  When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
  fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
  belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
  that's the only reason that astrology appears
  to work.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
  
  
  11/24/06
  
  I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
  any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather
  syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
  as moodmaking.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
  
  
  10/30/06
  
  Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and
  mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him
  to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
  the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
  thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
  imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
  always been available to him.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
  
  
  5/8/06
  
  Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was
  the magic feather given to him by his guru that
  enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
  the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
  fly was always present, just not realized.
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
  
  
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[doctordumbass]

We can't see the pattern??? YOU can't see the pattern, moron. 

No, we are not joining the Barry Pity Party. Its always all about you, isn't 
it? How much others demonize you and criticize you and whatever else your heart 
feels when some of your constant spewing of shit comes back on you.

I suggest you shut up and live with it. For once.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
 writing more creative posts, 

PS Given your track record on creativity, we won't hold our breath, waiting.

[FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]

[feste37]

In fact, Maharishi gave you a great gift, and it appears that for some years 
you made use of it. Then, apparently, someone told you something, and now all 
you do is spit at the giver, day in, day out, until you end up on Idiot's Bench 
because you can't count. It's a sad story.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
 that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
 organization.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
 Cheerleaders]
  
 
   
 Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is 
 that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
 participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against 
 something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't 
 give quitters a lot of credence. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
   distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point 
   of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing 
   carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that 
   can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the 
   journey. 
   
   TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and 
   Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal 
   benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? 
  
  Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
  to claim to have won any argument about TM:
  
  You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
  
  Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
  years of running through walls
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
   
you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid 
me. 





 From: doctordumbass@ 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders


  
The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you 
haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
practice keeps you moving. 

TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO 
IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, 
decades ago. 

So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what 
TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the 
sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
of the assumptions was a given. 
   
   Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the 
   mindset created continues way after a person actually 
   leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your 
   belief system will be influenced still decades after 
   you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you 
   to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. 
  
  And if you are interested in challenging their supposed
  truth or value. In my experience, it's these core or
  *never challenged* beliefs that persist the longest, and
  are toughest to either recognize or challenge. Stuff like
  *assuming* that effortless is better, or that the only
  way to transcend is via effortlessness. People have been
  repeating that meme for so long -- in most cases *without
  ever trying a technique not 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Book of Kells digitized

[doctordumbass]

and thank you for all the references, merudanda. I especially enjoyed the 
insight into the Book's artwork you quoted below! I love all the Celtic knots 
and found some very similar configurations in a few pieces of art I did, long 
before I knew about the Book of Kells. I was excited to see this treasure has 
been digitized. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote:

 thank you for this morning gift! [:x]  FWIW some line of explanation and
 links to explore
 
 Book of Kells ~ Part 1- 7 Documentary
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGQPJIO5CM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGQPJIO5CM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kg1B-M3mA
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kg1B-M3mA
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVH5Jl_FG0
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVH5Jl_FG0
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp6mtZ14GRQ
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp6mtZ14GRQ
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcanY9cWNpE
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcanY9cWNpE
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z256ycoFW4U
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z256ycoFW4U
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z256ycoFW4U
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z256ycoFW4U
 The Book of Kells contains the four Gospels in Latin based on the
 Vulgate text which St Jerome completed in 384AD, intermixed with
 readings from the earlier Old Latin translation. The Gospel texts are
 prefaced by other texts, including canon tables, or concordances of
 Gospel passages common to two or more of the evangelists; summaries of
 the gospel narratives (Breves causae); and prefaces characterizing the
 evangelists (Argumenta). The book is written on vellum (prepared
 calfskin) in a bold and expert version of the script known as insular
 majuscule. It contains 340 folios, now measuring approximately 330 x
 255 mm; they were severely trimmed, and their edges gilded, in the
 course of rebinding in the 19th century.
   As pages of the text and drawings are shared with viewers on camera,
 the narrator explains why so many experts believe The Book of Kells is
 an incredibly rare and valuable work of Irish art.Look more keenly at it
 and you will penetrate to the very shrine of art. You will make out
 intricacies, so delicate and so subtle, so full of knots and links, with
 colors so fresh and vivid, that you might say that all this were the
 work of an angel, and not of a man .Native Celtic artists in the 700s
 and 800s A.D. took the great gospel symbols of the Eastern Church--the
 four cherubim, lion, calf, eagle and man--and in the cooler air of
 Europe's northwest transformed them.
 The Celtic shapes and symbols used by the artists have been adopted into
 many aspects of today's art.
 Here you may see the face of majesty, divinely drawn, here the mystic
 symbols of the Evangelists, each with wings, now six, now four, now two;
 here the eagle, there the calf, here the man and there the lion, and
 other forms almost infinite. Look at them superficially with the
 ordinary glance, and you would think it is an erasure, and not tracery.
 
 The manuscript has mystified and motivated writers from W.B. Yeats to
 James Joyce and Umberto Eco, and its intricate Celtic knot work
 continues to influence artists and craftsmen and inspire spiritual as
 well as visionary one today.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  from around 800 AD. The artwork is worth a look:
 
 
  http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/index.php?DRIS_ID=MS58_003v
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
  
   Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
   going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
   folks in charge
  
  
  Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
  out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
  in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
  subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
   Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
  similar complaints about Girish. 
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   
This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those 
facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
the guy at the top.
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

   Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
  comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
  Such synchrony.
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote:
   
   

I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
   
   The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
   the movement in India will be dead.
  
 
 Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
 TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
 them heal.  This is really bad.


Can you imagine how dangerous it would be to your person to go over there and 
look into this thing with Girish and the TM-movement?  It seems part of the 
story with Earl Kaplan when he was looking in India for the stolen millions 
from him that he stopped when it became evident that the prospects were 
life-threatening.   
   
 
  According to the newspaper accounts
 it is more than sexual harassment,
 'twas molestation and predatory.
   
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
   harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
   j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
   
Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
testicles, there's gonna be trouble.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

 
 This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
 everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
 properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
 achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
 
 
  She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
  williamgcoop@ wrote:
  
Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
   
   A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
   Mandir in
   Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal
has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
   Vidya Mandir group
   of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and 
   mental torture.
   
   Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
   earlier this year at
   Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back 
   to Bhopal couple of
   days ago.
   The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's 
   Commission (SWC) alleging
   that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
   worked with the
   group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
   with him.
   
   The woman said that the accused used to insist her 
   husband take her along
   on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
   star hotel was
   booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband 
   away on errands
   and then molest her.
   
   She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism 
   but when it
   became too much to take, she told her husband and decided 
   to file a
   complaint.
   There have been counter 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
  through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to 
  respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due 
  time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He 
  chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first 
  place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please 
  try to remember...
  
 I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter 
 access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji 
 Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. 
 Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few 
 crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a 
 moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to 
 pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and 
 groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
 
 Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, 
 that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and 
 most Humble power.


Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a 
rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing 
neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning 
against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, 
Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who 
appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the 
case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up 
with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and 
Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the 
lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily 
munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on 
seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump 
in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig 
snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens 
with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught 
between an erotic dream and waking reality.

Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the 
Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes 
have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty 
for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions 
hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic 
worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these 
lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign 
Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to 
me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, 
you better get up here now...

Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their 
glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.

Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has 
some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right 
up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent 
RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per 
cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most 
parched and sincere seekers?

After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be 
heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty 
voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take 
two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?

The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in 
the background.

[to be continued...]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Starting later today, I'll be in Paris and thus probably  writing
more creative posts, as the mindset of the place
 sinks in. With that -- and what I suspect will be the
 reaction to it -- in mind, I shall reflect back on the
 events of the last few days. If you will remember, at the
 end of last week I made a post about four people here on
 FFL whom I characterized as belonging to the C-word (for
 Cultist) Clique. In that post I made a statement that,
 given long experience with these four, I knew would be
 an accurate prediction of their behavior in the few days
 following that post. What I said was:

  Everyone is pretty much aware of what the C-word Clique
  members DO. It's *not*, after all, as if they have the
  option of doing anything *else*, being driven by their
  obsessions and all. Their habitual behavior is to react
  mindlessly any time that someone on their Hit List posts
  something that other posters find interesting or worth
  discussing, and then attempt to smear them any way they
  can think of.

 Now think back to the events of yesterday. I made a post
 in which I used an analogy that seems quite apt to me,
 comparing TM's reliance on (and near-worship of) mantras
 to Dumbo's feather. In truth, I would extend the metaphor
 much further, and apply it to ALL techniques of self-
 discovery. Based on my own experience, I don't feel that
 any of them really DO anything, *except* to trick the
 practitioner into noticing something that was always
 already present. If you think about it, my statement is
 no different than things that Xeno and others have said
 here over the years, only in more accessible language.

 So what happened?

 The Cultist Clique reacted *exactly* as I said they do
 above. First the Judester went into one of her cyber-
 stalking frenzies and, not having the spiritual experience
 or breadth of knowledge to really challenge what I'd said,
 tried to make a Big Fuckin' Deal over me having said it
 before. Ho hum. As I said in response to one of the pile-
 on Cultists, Repetition is the mother of retention. The
 very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
 most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
 ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
 gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
 years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
 at least 17 years. :-)

 But then -- again as predicted -- who do you think piled on?
 In order: Ann, Ravi (reverting to C-word status again), and
 Jimbo. Nabby must have been taking a sanity break, because
 he stayed out of the scrum for once. And WHAT were they doing?
 Again -- as predicted -- they were uptight that someone had
 written something positive and appreciative about what I had
 written. So they had to get me, and try anything they
 possibly could to demonize me.

 I thank them for their participation in my little proactive
 prediction experiment.
Winner of the funniest back pedalling line at FFL this year. All Barry
lacks is the lab coat and test tube.

 As for the rest of the week, I advise people to WATCH, and
 see how often they do exactly the same thing. If I find myself
 waxing eloquent in some Parisian cafe, and someone (anyone)
 appreciates it, WATCH what they do, and how they react.

 It's a pattern. They're so caught up in it, and so trapped by
 their own grudges and hatreds and obsessions, that they can't
 *see* the pattern. But others can.
Can anyone say,Narcissist?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 We can't see the pattern??? YOU can't see the pattern, moron. 
 
 No, we are not joining the Barry Pity Party. Its always all about you, isn't 
 it? How much others demonize you and criticize you and whatever else your 
 heart feels when some of your constant spewing of shit comes back on you.
 
 I suggest you shut up and live with it. For once.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
  writing more creative posts, 
 
 PS Given your track record on creativity, we won't hold our breath, waiting.

Now Doc, how could you be so mean, so unfeeling? Barry promises to wax 
eloquently and start writing creative posts, at least he is not afraid to 
toot his own very large horn. Don't be such a killjoy; let the guy have his 
moment in the imaginary spotlight. After all, the rest of us will never have 
experienced Paris the way Barry is going to have us experience Paris. We should 
be grateful. After all, who doesn't want to hear about the dog poop on the 
sidewalks, the nuances of the sound of his padding footsteps on the back alleys 
that wind throughout that great city and the play of shadows the wrought iron 
on the old balconies cast in the moonlight. Be happy for Barry, Doc. Let him 
write his memoirs, let them stand in perpetuity in the annals of this wonderful 
place we call FFL. Barry is an icon, an institution and we owe him this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
   through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to 
   respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due 
   time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If 
   He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first 
   place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And 
   please try to remember...
   
  I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter 
  access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula 
  Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail 
  Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to 
  drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. 
  Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely 
  tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most 
  thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
  
  Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, 
  that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and 
  most Humble power.
 
 
 Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a 
 rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a 
 flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for 
 Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too 
 tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His 
 Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The 
 latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly 
 then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily 
 approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance 
 about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on 
 which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker 
 Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards 
 seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest 
 danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's 
 sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering 
 ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic 
 dream and waking reality.
 
 Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the 
 Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the 
 bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most 
 thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker 
 companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, 
 sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide 
 throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of 
 His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom 
 passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if 
 you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now...
 
 Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their 
 glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.
 
 Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has 
 some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right 
 up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean 
 permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water 
 is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it 
 be my most parched and sincere seekers?
 
 After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be 
 heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most 
 pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: 
 We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?
 
 The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly 
 in the background.
 
 [to be continued...]

I can't wait for the next instalment! I hope we don't have to wait long...(grin)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Laughing x

[Share Long]

You bad!  But good too, if you know what I mean laughing jelly bean (-:





 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
  through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to 
  respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due 
  time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He 
  chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first 
  place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please 
  try to remember...
  
 I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter 
 access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji 
 Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. 
 Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few 
 crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a 
 moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to 
 pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and 
 groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
 
 Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, 
 that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and 
 most Humble power.


Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a 
rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing 
neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning 
against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, 
Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who 
appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the 
case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up 
with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and 
Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the 
lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily 
munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on 
seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump 
in at a moment's notice should the slightest
 danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's 
sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering 
...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream 
and waking reality.

Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the 
Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes 
have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty 
for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions 
hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic 
worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these 
lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign 
Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to 
me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, 
you better get up here now...

Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their 
glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.

Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has 
some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right 
up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent 
RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per 
cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most 
parched and sincere seekers?

After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be 
heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty 
voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take 
two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?

The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in 
the background.

[to be continued...]


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[doctordumbass]

Seriously, I don't begrudge Barry his time in Paris. There is something very 
intoxicating about world class cities, almost like being in love, with your 
heart in your throat each time you first glimpse such a place. I have worked in 
San Francisco, and now visit about every week to see family or to do something. 
I never get tired of it, a postcard view around every turn, over every hill.

I hope Barry loves Paris and it truly fills his heart and dissolves some of the 
bitterness he identifies with. Despite his inability to acknowledge it, I 
congratulated him on his good fortune at the time he announced it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  We can't see the pattern??? YOU can't see the pattern, moron. 
  
  No, we are not joining the Barry Pity Party. Its always all about you, 
  isn't it? How much others demonize you and criticize you and whatever else 
  your heart feels when some of your constant spewing of shit comes back on 
  you.
  
  I suggest you shut up and live with it. For once.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
   writing more creative posts, 
  
  PS Given your track record on creativity, we won't hold our breath, waiting.
 
 Now Doc, how could you be so mean, so unfeeling? Barry promises to wax 
 eloquently and start writing creative posts, at least he is not afraid to 
 toot his own very large horn. Don't be such a killjoy; let the guy have his 
 moment in the imaginary spotlight. After all, the rest of us will never have 
 experienced Paris the way Barry is going to have us experience Paris. We 
 should be grateful. After all, who doesn't want to hear about the dog poop on 
 the sidewalks, the nuances of the sound of his padding footsteps on the back 
 alleys that wind throughout that great city and the play of shadows the 
 wrought iron on the old balconies cast in the moonlight. Be happy for Barry, 
 Doc. Let him write his memoirs, let them stand in perpetuity in the annals of 
 this wonderful place we call FFL. Barry is an icon, an institution and we owe 
 him this.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Laughing x

[seventhray27]

 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

 Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with
a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a
flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for
Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too
tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of
His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off.
(The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops
suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno
warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively
safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing
along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft
cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an
occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a
moment's notice should the slightest
 danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's
sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering
...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic
dream and waking reality.

 Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner
of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there
in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river
and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for
my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as
a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is
revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly
for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a
kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us.
Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better
get up here now...

 Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on
their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.

 Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that
he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step
right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I
mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear,
thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire
quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers?

 After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom
can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in
her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches
and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?


All I can say is that I needed that (-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[authfriend]

Wow. Barry *really* got his buttons pushed. It sure
doesn't take much to drive him over the edge into
paranoid hysterical raving these days.

He must be nervous about this Paris gig. I hope his
new colleagues are quick to realize he has no sense
of humor about himself and takes being laughed at as
a deadly serious insult. We definitely do not want
him to blow up at them, get fired, and have to slink
back to Holland in disgrace. He's unpleasant enough
when he's pleased with himself.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
 writing more creative posts, as the mindset of the place 
 sinks in. With that -- and what I suspect will be the 
 reaction to it -- in mind, I shall reflect back on the 
 events of the last few days. If you will remember, at the 
 end of last week I made a post about four people here on 
 FFL whom I characterized as belonging to the C-word (for 
 Cultist) Clique. In that post I made a statement that, 
 given long experience with these four, I knew would be 
 an accurate prediction of their behavior in the few days 
 following that post. What I said was:
 
  Everyone is pretty much aware of what the C-word Clique 
  members DO. It's *not*, after all, as if they have the 
  option of doing anything *else*, being driven by their 
  obsessions and all. Their habitual behavior is to react 
  mindlessly any time that someone on their Hit List posts 
  something that other posters find interesting or worth 
  discussing, and then attempt to smear them any way they 
  can think of.
 
 Now think back to the events of yesterday. I made a post
 in which I used an analogy that seems quite apt to me, 
 comparing TM's reliance on (and near-worship of) mantras
 to Dumbo's feather. In truth, I would extend the metaphor
 much further, and apply it to ALL techniques of self-
 discovery. Based on my own experience, I don't feel that
 any of them really DO anything, *except* to trick the
 practitioner into noticing something that was always
 already present. If you think about it, my statement is
 no different than things that Xeno and others have said
 here over the years, only in more accessible language.
 
 So what happened?
 
 The Cultist Clique reacted *exactly* as I said they do
 above. First the Judester went into one of her cyber-
 stalking frenzies and, not having the spiritual experience
 or breadth of knowledge to really challenge what I'd said,
 tried to make a Big Fuckin' Deal over me having said it
 before. Ho hum. As I said in response to one of the pile-
 on Cultists, Repetition is the mother of retention. The
 very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
 most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
 ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
 gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
 years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
 at least 17 years. :-)
 
 But then -- again as predicted -- who do you think piled on?
 In order: Ann, Ravi (reverting to C-word status again), and
 Jimbo. Nabby must have been taking a sanity break, because 
 he stayed out of the scrum for once. And WHAT were they doing? 
 Again -- as predicted -- they were uptight that someone had 
 written something positive and appreciative about what I had 
 written. So they had to get me, and try anything they 
 possibly could to demonize me.
 
 I thank them for their participation in my little proactive
 prediction experiment. 
 
 As for the rest of the week, I advise people to WATCH, and 
 see how often they do exactly the same thing. If I find myself
 waxing eloquent in some Parisian cafe, and someone (anyone)
 appreciates it, WATCH what they do, and how they react. 
 
 It's a pattern. They're so caught up in it, and so trapped by
 their own grudges and hatreds and obsessions, that they can't
 *see* the pattern. But others can.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
(snip)
 The very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
 most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
 ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
 gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
 years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
 at least 17 years. :-)

Uh-oh. You *know* Barry's in bad shape if he has to equate
himself with Maharishi to make a putdown. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls to Michael J

[Share Long]

Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you recently say 
that you still do TM sometimes?  And btw, I'm glad you had such a good 
childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of happy and unhappy stuff.  
OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?!  And most of it anti TM?!  
I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's more going 
on for you than simply sharing your opinions.   





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
organization.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is that 
I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against 
something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't give 
quitters a lot of credence. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
  distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point of 
  physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing carrying 
  you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that can be 
  transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the journey. 
  
  TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and 
  Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal 
  benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? 
 
 Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
 to claim to have won any argument about TM:
 
 You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
 
 Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
 years of running through walls
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
  
   you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
   took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid me. 
   
   
   
   
   
From: doctordumbass@ 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
   
   
     
   The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
   repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you 
   haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
   practice keeps you moving. 
   
   TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA 
   about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, 
   decades ago. 
   
   So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what 
   TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the 
   sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
   my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
   chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
   TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
   as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
   Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
   strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
   without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
   other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
   of the assumptions was a given. 
  
  Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the 
  mindset created continues way after a person actually 
  leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your 
  belief system will be influenced still decades after 
  you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you 
  to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. 
 
 And if you are interested in challenging their supposed
 truth or value. In my experience, it's these core or
 *never challenged* beliefs that persist the longest, and
 are toughest to either recognize or 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
 Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
 writing more creative posts, as the mindset of the place 
 sinks in. 

It must drive you nuts - having to live with racists and 
anti-semitic radicals over there. You're probably going 
batshit-crazy! 

From what I've read, people over there hate all Jews, 
Blacks, Latinos, Asians. and especially Gypsies; not to 
mention old, ex-pat cult leaders from the USA trying to take 
their jobs away from them. Go figure.

The story of France is often viewed as the antithesis to 
the U.S., one in which race and ethnicity are not counted 
in the government census and minority rights need not exist, 
due to residents who share a common identity of 'French.' 
Many French shudder at the word 'multiculturalism...'

'In colorblind France, rising diversity tests unity'
http://tinyurl.com/b8hoyaw

 With that -- and what I suspect will be the 
 reaction to it -- in mind, I shall reflect back on the 
 events of the last few days. If you will remember, at the 
 end of last week I made a post about four people here on 
 FFL whom I characterized as belonging to the C-word (for 
 Cultist) Clique. In that post I made a statement that, 
 given long experience with these four, I knew would be 
 an accurate prediction of their behavior in the few days 
 following that post. What I said was:
 
  Everyone is pretty much aware of what the C-word Clique 
  members DO. It's *not*, after all, as if they have the 
  option of doing anything *else*, being driven by their 
  obsessions and all. Their habitual behavior is to react 
  mindlessly any time that someone on their Hit List posts 
  something that other posters find interesting or worth 
  discussing, and then attempt to smear them any way they 
  can think of.
 
 Now think back to the events of yesterday. I made a post
 in which I used an analogy that seems quite apt to me, 
 comparing TM's reliance on (and near-worship of) mantras
 to Dumbo's feather. In truth, I would extend the metaphor
 much further, and apply it to ALL techniques of self-
 discovery. Based on my own experience, I don't feel that
 any of them really DO anything, *except* to trick the
 practitioner into noticing something that was always
 already present. If you think about it, my statement is
 no different than things that Xeno and others have said
 here over the years, only in more accessible language.
 
 So what happened?
 
 The Cultist Clique reacted *exactly* as I said they do
 above. First the Judester went into one of her cyber-
 stalking frenzies and, not having the spiritual experience
 or breadth of knowledge to really challenge what I'd said,
 tried to make a Big Fuckin' Deal over me having said it
 before. Ho hum. As I said in response to one of the pile-
 on Cultists, Repetition is the mother of retention. The
 very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
 most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
 ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
 gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
 years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
 at least 17 years. :-)
 
 But then -- again as predicted -- who do you think piled on?
 In order: Ann, Ravi (reverting to C-word status again), and
 Jimbo. Nabby must have been taking a sanity break, because 
 he stayed out of the scrum for once. And WHAT were they doing? 
 Again -- as predicted -- they were uptight that someone had 
 written something positive and appreciative about what I had 
 written. So they had to get me, and try anything they 
 possibly could to demonize me.
 
 I thank them for their participation in my little proactive
 prediction experiment. 
 
 As for the rest of the week, I advise people to WATCH, and 
 see how often they do exactly the same thing. If I find myself
 waxing eloquent in some Parisian cafe, and someone (anyone)
 appreciates it, WATCH what they do, and how they react. 
 
 It's a pattern. They're so caught up in it, and so trapped by
 their own grudges and hatreds and obsessions, that they can't
 *see* the pattern. But others can.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders

[Richard J. Williams]

doctordumbass:
 A poignant example of this, related to me by at least
 half a different spiritual teachers from traditions
 other than TM...
 
 *How* many?? 
 
 snip

Spiritual teachers which shall remain unnamed. Go figure.

A guy like Uncle Tantra probably doesn't have much time 
to study with spiritual teachers when they spend hours a 
day watching TV and writing English language User Manuals 
in Microsoft Word and post to FFL every night, including 
posting Saturday night. LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[doctordumbass]

Who knows how it will turn out for him - Well, I hope. 

I recall the first time I worked at a big corporation as a director. Woo-hah. 
Turns out I was brought on board to take the fall for a $600K boondoggle 
spawned by an executive VP who was fired soon after I joined. An interesting 
lesson. I completed the project against strong odds, but was laid off after 
three months, first watching those in the chain of command above me get 
eliminated one by one.

This is not meant to be any predictor of Barry's future. I hope he succeeds in 
spades. Any job I ever took taught me a lot.   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 Wow. Barry *really* got his buttons pushed. It sure
 doesn't take much to drive him over the edge into
 paranoid hysterical raving these days.
 
 He must be nervous about this Paris gig. I hope his
 new colleagues are quick to realize he has no sense
 of humor about himself and takes being laughed at as
 a deadly serious insult. We definitely do not want
 him to blow up at them, get fired, and have to slink
 back to Holland in disgrace. He's unpleasant enough
 when he's pleased with himself.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[Richard J. Williams]

  The very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
  most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
  ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
  gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
  years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
  at least 17 years. :-)
 
uthfriend:
 Uh-oh. You *know* Barry's in bad shape if he has to equate
 himself with Maharishi to make a putdown. ;-)

Apparently it can be really tough being a 'Gypsy' in Europe
with two dogs to take care of - he seems all stressed out
to have to change residence's and jobs at his age. Why he'd
want to post this kind of information on FFL is lost on me,
since it looks like  nobody here likes him, except the retard
'MJ'. LoL!

One thing fer sure is Barry will probably be keeping his U.S.
passport, but how will he get a work permit in France? 

It's kind of sad reading about this - from one city shithole 
to the next - some people stay military brats all their lives
just moving from place to place - no family, no real friends,
no place to really hail from or call home. No wonder he posts
so many repititious rants to FFL and alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

[FairfieldLife] Just Another Brick in the Wall?

[Richard J. Williams]

The progressive era model of a bureaucratic school 
organization staff by life-tenured employees is no 
longer a good fit for our increasingly entrepreneurial 
and job-hopping society; it prepares kids (badly) at 
great expense for a world that no longer exists.

The K-12 Implosion: Review:
http://tinyurl.com/ccjzmg4

[FairfieldLife] Who is Blanche DuBois?

[Richard J. Williams]

Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
the safest place for their money after all.

'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9

Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls to Michael J

[Michael Jackson]

Its because I posted out the week before and so had a lot saved up





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls to Michael J
 

  
Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you recently say 
that you still do TM sometimes?  And btw, I'm glad you had such a good 
childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of happy and unhappy stuff.  
OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?!  And most of it anti TM?!  
I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's more going 
on for you than simply sharing your opinions.   





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
organization.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is that 
I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against 
something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't give 
quitters a lot of credence. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
  distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point of 
  physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing carrying 
  you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that can be 
  transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the journey. 
  
  TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and 
  Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal 
  benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? 
 
 Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
 to claim to have won any argument about TM:
 
 You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
 
 Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
 years of running through walls
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
  
   you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
   took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid me. 
   
   
   
   
   
From: doctordumbass@ 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
   
   
     
   The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
   repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you 
   haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
   practice keeps you moving. 
   
   TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA 
   about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, 
   decades ago. 
   
   So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what 
   TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the 
   sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
   my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
   chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
   TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
   as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
   Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
   strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
   without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
   other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
   of the assumptions was a given. 
  
  Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the 
  mindset created continues way after a person actually 
  leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your 
  belief system will be influenced still decades after 
  you left it - not all of the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proactive Prediction -- why it's better than mere claims

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
 Starting later today, I'll be in Paris, and thus probably 
 writing more creative posts, as the mindset of the place 
 sinks in. 

At any rate, if I were you, keep all your money in cash U.S. 
dollars and avoid all EU ATM machines. LoL! Make sure to 
check the depositor behavior in places like Sitges, Lisbon 
and Athens Monday morning! If you're not lovin', then you're 
not livin'. LoL!

'George Strait If You Ain't Lovin' Then You Ain't Livin' 
http://youtu.be/UXr6VeX9-xE

 With that -- and what I suspect will be the 
 reaction to it -- in mind, I shall reflect back on the 
 events of the last few days. If you will remember, at the 
 end of last week I made a post about four people here on 
 FFL whom I characterized as belonging to the C-word (for 
 Cultist) Clique. In that post I made a statement that, 
 given long experience with these four, I knew would be 
 an accurate prediction of their behavior in the few days 
 following that post. What I said was:
 
  Everyone is pretty much aware of what the C-word Clique 
  members DO. It's *not*, after all, as if they have the 
  option of doing anything *else*, being driven by their 
  obsessions and all. Their habitual behavior is to react 
  mindlessly any time that someone on their Hit List posts 
  something that other posters find interesting or worth 
  discussing, and then attempt to smear them any way they 
  can think of.
 
 Now think back to the events of yesterday. I made a post
 in which I used an analogy that seems quite apt to me, 
 comparing TM's reliance on (and near-worship of) mantras
 to Dumbo's feather. In truth, I would extend the metaphor
 much further, and apply it to ALL techniques of self-
 discovery. Based on my own experience, I don't feel that
 any of them really DO anything, *except* to trick the
 practitioner into noticing something that was always
 already present. If you think about it, my statement is
 no different than things that Xeno and others have said
 here over the years, only in more accessible language.
 
 So what happened?
 
 The Cultist Clique reacted *exactly* as I said they do
 above. First the Judester went into one of her cyber-
 stalking frenzies and, not having the spiritual experience
 or breadth of knowledge to really challenge what I'd said,
 tried to make a Big Fuckin' Deal over me having said it
 before. Ho hum. As I said in response to one of the pile-
 on Cultists, Repetition is the mother of retention. The
 very *idea* of someone who presumably studied under the
 most repetetive spiritual teacher in human history bitch-
 ing about someone repeating a teaching is ludicrous. MMY
 gave essentially the same introductory lecture for 50
 years, and she has been parroting it on the Internet for
 at least 17 years. :-)
 
 But then -- again as predicted -- who do you think piled on?
 In order: Ann, Ravi (reverting to C-word status again), and
 Jimbo. Nabby must have been taking a sanity break, because 
 he stayed out of the scrum for once. And WHAT were they doing? 
 Again -- as predicted -- they were uptight that someone had 
 written something positive and appreciative about what I had 
 written. So they had to get me, and try anything they 
 possibly could to demonize me.
 
 I thank them for their participation in my little proactive
 prediction experiment. 
 
 As for the rest of the week, I advise people to WATCH, and 
 see how often they do exactly the same thing. If I find myself
 waxing eloquent in some Parisian cafe, and someone (anyone)
 appreciates it, WATCH what they do, and how they react. 
 
 It's a pattern. They're so caught up in it, and so trapped by
 their own grudges and hatreds and obsessions, that they can't
 *see* the pattern. But others can.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]

[Michael Jackson]

Ma-Har-Shee didn't give me a damn thing - I paid over $10,000 for all the 
mantras, sidhis, sidhi preps and all that jazz.





 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
In fact, Maharishi gave you a great gift, and it appears that for some years 
you made use of it. Then, apparently, someone told you something, and now all 
you do is spit at the giver, day in, day out, until you end up on Idiot's Bench 
because you can't count. It's a sad story.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
 that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
 organization.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
 Cheerleaders]
 
 
   
 Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is 
 that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
 participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against 
 something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't 
 give quitters a lot of credence. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
   distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point 
   of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing 
   carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that 
   can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the 
   journey. 
   
   TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and 
   Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal 
   benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? 
  
  Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
  to claim to have won any argument about TM:
  
  You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
  
  Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
  years of running through walls
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
   
you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid 
me. 





 From: doctordumbass@ 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders


  
The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you 
haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
practice keeps you moving. 

TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO 
IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, 
decades ago. 

So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what 
TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the 
sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
of the assumptions was a given. 
   
   Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the 
   mindset created continues way after a person actually 
   leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your 
   belief system will be influenced still decades after 
   you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you 
   to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. 
  
  And if you are interested in challenging their supposed
  truth or value. In my experience, it's these 

[FairfieldLife] MUM

[Michael Jackson]

A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for over 40 
years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and begin a student 
Bible study group on campus, how would the administration react? Both TM and 
his Christian faith are very important to him. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Running through walls to Michael J

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
 Its because I posted out the week before and so had a 
 lot saved up
 
Some people just feel better when they have someone to 
talk  to. Go figure. 

 that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you 
 believe I quit, I know that I saved myself further 
 brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
 organization.

But, you don't seem to have much to say, and you tend to 
repeat yourself - we get it that you don't like MMY - so 
why harass Share? 

P.S. Have you ever hearcd of snipping you posts? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM

[Share Long]

Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome announcing a 
series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The series is  about Mary the 
mother of Jesus and her role in history.  So Bible study in the sense of the 
New Testament.





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
 

  
A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for over 40 
years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and begin a student 
Bible study group on campus, how would the administration react? Both TM and 
his Christian faith are very important to him. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?

[John]

Richard,

That's a complicated article you presented us.  I hope Europe doesn't get a 
nervous breakdown over its money problems.  Oh, Blanche DuBois is a fictional 
character in Tennessee Williams' play, A Streetcar Named Desire.

JR


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
 more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
 for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
 cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
 are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
 effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
 Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
 the safest place for their money after all.
 
 'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
 http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation.
 I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, 
 arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his
 inability to think clearly), he's OK.

I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to
recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant
this morning. Can he tell the difference between vile
cussing-out and serious dislocation from reality?

Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came
straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think
that won't be obvious to others.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?

[Share Long]

I didn't read the article but will guess that the most well known line spoken 
by Blanche Dubois is the one being referred to here:  I have always depended on 
the kindness of strangers.





 From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?
 

  
Richard,

That's a complicated article you presented us.  I hope Europe doesn't get a 
nervous breakdown over its money problems.  Oh, Blanche DuBois is a fictional 
character in Tennessee Williams' play, A Streetcar Named Desire.

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
 more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
 for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
 cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
 are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
 effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
 Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
 the safest place for their money after all.
 
 'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
 http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9



 

[FairfieldLife] Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
   through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to 
   respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due 
   time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If 
   He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first 
   place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And 
   please try to remember...
  

  I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter 
  access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula 
  Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail 
  Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to 
  drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. 
  Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely 
  tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most 
  thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
  
  Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, 
  that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and 
  most Humble power.
 

 Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a 
 rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a 
 flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for 
 Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too 
 tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His 
 Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The 
 latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly 
 then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily 
 approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance 
 about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on 
 which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker 
 Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards 
 seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest 
 danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's 
 sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering 
 ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic 
 dream and waking reality.
 
 Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the 
 Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the 
 bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most 
 thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker 
 companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, 
 sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide 
 throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of 
 His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom 
 passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if 
 you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now...
 
 Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their 
 glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.
 
 Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has 
 some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right 
 up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean 
 permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water 
 is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it 
 be my most parched and sincere seekers?
 
 After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be 
 heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most 
 pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: 
 We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?
 
 The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly 
 in the background.
 
 [to be continued...]


Scene fades in as the final strains of the gospel Just As I Am fade out 
softly in the background.

Laughing Jelly Bean, formerly known as LPHHR, with a blissful smile on his 
pudgy yet somewhat handsome face, slips a slightly fatter wallet into the folds 
of his patched dhoti while the three seeker companions, seated on heavily worn 
straw mats for a very, very reasonable $1 per mat per half hour, have contented 
expressions on their faces as seeker Xeno drains the last few drops from his 
quart of water and seeker Share finishes the quart that she and seeker Steve 

[FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]

[feste37]

He gave you his wisdom, but in your case that was like casting pearls before 
swine. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Ma-Har-Shee didn't give me a damn thing - I paid over $10,000 for all the 
 mantras, sidhis, sidhi preps and all that jazz.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:26 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
 Cheerleaders]
  
 
   
 In fact, Maharishi gave you a great gift, and it appears that for some years 
 you made use of it. Then, apparently, someone told you something, and now all 
 you do is spit at the giver, day in, day out, until you end up on Idiot's 
 Bench because you can't count. It's a sad story.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
  that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
  organization.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
  Cheerleaders]
  
  
    
  Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is 
  that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
  participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing 
  against something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, 
  I don't give quitters a lot of credence. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point 
of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing 
carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, 
that can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end 
of the journey. 

TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you 
and Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the 
eternal benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little 
longer? 
   
   Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
   to claim to have won any argument about TM:
   
   You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
   
   Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
   years of running through walls
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
 took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid 
 me. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@ 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
 
 
   
 The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
 repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing 
 you haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
 practice keeps you moving. 
 
 TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO 
 IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing 
 it, decades ago. 
 
 So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about 
 what TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on 
 the sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
 my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
 chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
 TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
 as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
 Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
 strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
 without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
 other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
 of the assumptions was a given. 

Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the 
mindset created continues way after a person actually 
leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your 
belief system 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck

[doctordumbass]

I don't think so, for now. MJ is in a place where he is seeing the wholeness of 
that which he devoted himself to for a long time, for the first time. 
Fortunately the fantasies he held about Maharishi and the TMO are evaporating. 

That leaves MJ vulnerable to Barry chiming in regularly with his Spiritual 
Critic and Advisor routine. As long as MJ doesn't make a lifestyle out of his 
current realizations about the TMO, he'll grow out of it, and see Barry for the 
exceptionally narrow-minded resource that he is.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation.
  I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, 
  arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his
  inability to think clearly), he's OK.
 
 I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to
 recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant
 this morning. Can he tell the difference between vile
 cussing-out and serious dislocation from reality?
 
 Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came
 straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think
 that won't be obvious to others.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 I didn't read the article but will guess that the most well known line spoken 
 by Blanche Dubois is the one being referred to here:  I have always depended 
 on the kindness of strangers.

Share,

That line is the most important point that is being referred to in this 
article.  IMO, it doesn't look too good for the Europeans.

JR


 
 
 
 
 
  From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:55 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?
  
 
   
 Richard,
 
 That's a complicated article you presented us.  I hope Europe doesn't get a 
 nervous breakdown over its money problems.  Oh, Blanche DuBois is a fictional 
 character in Tennessee Williams' play, A Streetcar Named Desire.
 
 JR
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote:
 
  Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
  more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
  for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
  cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
  are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
  effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
  Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
  the safest place for their money after all.
  
  'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
  http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9
 

[FairfieldLife] Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[doctordumbass]

I even found green food coloring for my beer! 

Erin go Bragh

Éirinn go Brách

Ireland Forever

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[doctordumbass]

I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He sounds 
like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible group, with 
students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why doesn't he try 
the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome announcing 
 a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The series is  about 
 Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  So Bible study in the 
 sense of the New Testament.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
  
 
   
 A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for over 
 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and begin a 
 student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration react? Both 
 TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.

[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[sound of stillness]

morning light
abiding in the beauty
of yonder shore

Enlightenment. Is it . . .

Being in harmony with our own state of evolution. 

Each state of consciousness with its own reality, each inseparable yet distinct 
from one another. As night is from day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[seekliberation]

I don't think MUM would look positively on it unless the study group were to 
approach the study through the eyes of TM and MMY's POV.  I do remember several 
times at MIU where MMY made reference to quotes from the bible, but the quotes 
were carefully selected to support the notion of TM and consistent practice and 
experience of transcendence.  I also remember references to Bhuddism quite 
often as well.  

But no matter what, nothing was ever welcome whatsoever unless it was being 
seen and perceived in the context of SCI  TM.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for over 
 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and begin a 
 student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration react? Both 
 TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]

[Michael Jackson]

I guess that applies to Girish as well?





 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
Cheerleaders]
 

  
He gave you his wisdom, but in your case that was like casting pearls before 
swine. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Ma-Har-Shee didn't give me a damn thing - I paid over $10,000 for all the 
 mantras, sidhis, sidhi preps and all that jazz.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:26 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
 Cheerleaders]
 
 
   
 In fact, Maharishi gave you a great gift, and it appears that for some years 
 you made use of it. Then, apparently, someone told you something, and now all 
 you do is spit at the giver, day in, day out, until you end up on Idiot's 
 Bench because you can't count. It's a sad story.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
  that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
  organization.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
  Cheerleaders]
  
  
    
  Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is 
  that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
  participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing 
  against something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, 
  I don't give quitters a lot of credence. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point 
of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing 
carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, 
that can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end 
of the journey. 

TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you 
and Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the 
eternal benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little 
longer? 
   
   Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
   to claim to have won any argument about TM:
   
   You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
   
   Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
   years of running through walls
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
 took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid 
 me. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@ 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
 
 
   
 The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
 repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing 
 you haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
 practice keeps you moving. 
 
 TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO 
 IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing 
 it, decades ago. 
 
 So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about 
 what TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on 
 the sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
 my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
 chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
 TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
 as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
 Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so 
 strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
 without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
 other, subsequent statements on them as if 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Michael Jackson]

Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was posing 
the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going to MUM - he 
was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about having such a 
group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a student who does 
TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 

  
I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He sounds 
like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible group, with 
students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why doesn't he try 
the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome announcing 
 a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The series is  about 
 Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  So Bible study in the 
 sense of the New Testament.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
 
 
   
 A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for over 
 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and begin a 
 student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration react? Both 
 TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[pileated56]

I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. Jewish 
services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone having a 
Bible study group would be a problem. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was posing 
 the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going to MUM - he 
 was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about having such a 
 group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a student who does 
 TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
  
 
   
 I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
 sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
 group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
 doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
  announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The series 
  is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  So Bible 
  study in the sense of the New Testament.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
  To: FairfieldLife@...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
  
  
    
  A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
  over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
  begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration 
  react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@...
wrote:

snip

 Several hours have passed and seeker Xeno appears to be in deep
samadhi with his head dropped against his chest, and there is no sign of
seekers Share and Steve. The back of the rickety camper shell on the
saffron-colored beat up Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck has been opened,
and LJB can be seen putting the final touches on various and sundry
items displayed temptingly yet tastefully on the tailgate.


the soft moss by the side of the river can do that to you.  and the
bushes were lilac by the way.  very intoxicating!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Running through walls to Michael J

[seventhray27]

well, at least we can be thankful that we don't have have 50 or 52 anti
TM posts in a period of 168 hours.   Wait a second!!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@...
wrote:

 Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you
recently say that you still do TM sometimes?  And btw, I'm glad you
had such a good childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of
happy and unhappy stuff.  OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?!  And most
of it anti TM?!Â
 I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's
more going on for you than simply sharing your opinions. Â




 
 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question
for TM Cheerleaders]


 Â
 that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I
know that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt
man and organization.




 
 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for
TM Cheerleaders]


 Â
 Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit,
is that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no
longer participating. I would never start an argument with someone,
arguing against something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense.
So, yeah, I don't give quitters a lot of credence.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
  
   You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in
long distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a
point of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only
thing carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary
phase, that can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is
the end of the journey.
  
   TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad
you and Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the
eternal benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little
longer?
 
  Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
  to claim to have won any argument about TM:
 
  You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
 
  Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
  years of running through walls
 
 
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
   
you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day
- it took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town -
stupid me.
   
   
   
   

From: doctordumbass@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
   
   
ÂÂ
The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and
MJ, repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing
you haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the
practice keeps you moving.
   
TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have
NO IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing
it, decades ago.
   
So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all
about what TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on
the sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
   
My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
my point of view, falling prey to one of the most
chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were
TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique --
as if it were not only true, but cosmically true,
Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so
strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along
without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base
other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth
of the assumptions was a given.
  
   Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the
   mindset created continues way after a person actually
   leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your
   belief system will be influenced still decades after
   you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you
   to still uncover it, if you are interested in it.
 
  And if you are interested in challenging their supposed
  truth or 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[seventhray27]

Now you've done it pileated56.  The cause of this coginitive dissonance
it going to be on your shoulders.  Not mine, not Share's, not Jim, or
Judy's or Ann's or Ravi's but on yours and yours alone.

Mike, listen, there must be some mistake here.  Pileated56 must have
thought you meant Gita Study, or Yoga Vashista Study or something.

We can get through this Michael.  Let 's work a different angle.

How bout Magick studies.  Give that a try.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote:

 I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with
anyone practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on
campus. Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot
imagine anyone having a Bible study group would be a problem.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
 
  Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he
was posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of
going to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would
feel about having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they
deal with a student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian
faith as well.
 
 
 
 
  
  From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 
 
  Â
  I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too.
He sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student
bible group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit
creepy. Why doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center,
instead?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
  
   Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome
announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The
series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in
history.  So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.
  
  
  
  
   
   From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
   To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
  
  
   ÂÂ
   A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done
TM for over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at
MUM and begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the
administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important
to him.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya

[Michael Jackson]

Do you happen to remember the name of the head of TM Europe person who told you 
all to hide from the eclipse rakshasas?





 From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Now please tell us what was the deal on that? Why would they be afraid of an 
 eclipse and how did TM or its hidden and denied Hindu roots have a hand in 
 that?

Jyotish. It's a weird iron age belief that the movement of planets
against a random backdrop of stars has some sort of effect on our
lives. I know, crazy huh?

One of the things that was noticed is that sometimes the natural
order is upset, a comet appears during a war and forever on they
are seen as harbingers of doom when really they are just dirty
snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system. In
fact, there wouldn't be any water on Earth if it wasn't for comets.
This is why I prefer the new knowledge to the old. And was why I
didn't heed the TMOs advice and looked directly at comet Hale Bopp
when I was on a course in '97. One of the most beautiful things
I ever saw.

But anyway, jyotishees warn us that solar eclipses are bad times
and to witness one is to open your life to all sorts of bad karma
and demons that inhabit the world during times of temporary darkness.
I was working at UK HQ when the last full solar eclipse hit England.
I was highly excited at the chance to see one of natures miracles and
probably the ultimate free light show.

The head of TM europe (and a physics professor) warned us to stay
inside lest we reap the awful karmic dues you get from erm, standing
in a shadow (!) I was happy to point out the absurdity of being
scared, pointed out that the moon wasn't eating the sun and that even
if their was an astrological effect from witnessing an eclipse it
would be the same whether you were inside or out when it happened.

But these people aren't interested in logic or reason no matter how
much they go on about science. So, come the day I was the *only one*
on the roof of our rather stately home. Everyone else was cowering
in their offices. It was pathetic, my rapidly dwindling respect for
the intellectual underpinning of TM took a major hit that day.

And then I nearly blinded myself trying to take a photo of it
through a telephoto lens. Lucky there was no permanent damage, that would have 
been IT. Wouldn't have lived that one down

 
  From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 1:09 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  I enjoy your sense of humor, puns and all, even if we're on different sides 
  of the fence about TM, TMO, etc.  But I admit it is a stretch to picture 
  you as a tough administrator, sending a screamer home (-:
 
 Ooh yes Share, beware getting on the wrong side of me ;-)
 
  I started TM in March 1975 and came to MIU 6 months later.  I was 
  totally clueless!  Now I've been around for over 35 years and lived in 
  FF for the last 8 years, before that was on campus for 14 years either on 
  staff or as a graduate student.  My point is that I'm not a newbie to 
  all this.  And as I've gotten older I think I've become more accepting, 
  more realistic.  And I know something about organizations and life on 
  this planet.  So I have ceased to look for perfection or a lack of flaws 
  in anyone or any group.  Heck I think such would be pretty boring 
  anyway.  Maybe one way to say it is that my boundaries are simply 
  different than those of some others here on FFL.  That also enhances 
  life's richness (-:    
 
 Accepting and realistic? You mean you put up with more crap?
 
 I held the TMO to the standards they claimed for themselves and
 as such our working relationship didn't last very long! It's all
 very well claiming to be a perfect society but you've got to
 deliver the goods sooner or later. Perhaps I'm too demanding?
 
 Anyway, it's the failure of the belief system to offer anything
 realistic that settled it for me. For instance, I couldn't stay with an 
 organisation that claimed to be science-based but where everyone hid in their 
 offices during an eclipse. Physics PHD's scared of shadows!
 
 
   From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 11:06 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi to Salya
  
  
    
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   What I meant is that for me it doesn't matter if they are enlightened or 
   not.  What matters is how they treat 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[feste37]

Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or other Christian 
activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has been popular with meditators 
for more than 20 years, and there is no issue about it. 

I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise. Adopt a faux 
innocence, of the I'm just interested type, and then hope that the replies 
turn up some information that you can make use of in your obsessive quest to 
present TM, MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote:

 I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
 practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. Jewish 
 services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone having a 
 Bible study group would be a problem. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
  posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going to 
  MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about 
  having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a 
  student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
   
  
    
  I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
  sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
  group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
  doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
   announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The 
   series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  
   So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.
   
   
   
   
   
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
   To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
   
   
     
   A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
   over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
   begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration 
   react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] shanti paatam of Arunam

[srijau]

The supremely nectarean transcendental knowledge given by Brahmaleem Maharishi 
Mahesha Yogi is the greatest blessing and very hard to come by in Kali Yuga. 
Many Rakshasa do come to lead the vulnerable astray. These verses of the Vedic 
tradition are especially recommended by him to reduce the results of the bad 
karmas and to help lead to the right path, it can be listened especially as 
part of the Arunam by anyone after the physical bath or after the mental bath 
(TM or TM and Tm-Sidhis, anytime but best just before sunrise and sunset.


Bhadram karnebhih s'rnuy#257;ma dev#257;h  
bhadram pasyem#257;k#7779;abhiryajatr#257;h
sthirairangaistushtuvam sastan#363;bhir 
vya#347;ema devahitam yad#257;yuh
svasti na indro vriddha#347;rav#257;h
svasti nah p#363;#7779;h#257; vi#347;vaved#257;h
svasti nast#257;rk#7779;yo ari#7779;tanemih
svasti no brihaspatirdadh#257;tu


Shining Ones! May we hear through our ears what is auspicious; Ye, fit to be 
worshipped! May we see with our eyes what is auspicious; May we, endowed with 
body strong with limbs, offering praise, complete the full span of life 
bestowed upon us by the divine beings; May Indra, of enhanced fame, be 
auspicious unto us; May Pushan, who is all-knowing, be auspicious unto us; May 
Tarkshya, who is the destroyer of all evils, be auspicious unto us; May 
Brihaspati bestow upon us auspiciousness!  trans Swami Krishnananda on the 
Mandukya Upanishad.(recurs)

[FairfieldLife] Re: shanti paatam of Arunam

[srijau]

for a very nice word for word translation follow this link to page 12
http://www.srihayagrivan.org/ebooks/037_ap_p1.pdf

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote:

 The supremely nectarean transcendental knowledge given by Brahmaleem 
 Maharishi Mahesha Yogi is the greatest blessing and very hard to come by in 
 Kali Yuga. Many Rakshasa do come to lead the vulnerable astray. These verses 
 of the Vedic tradition are especially recommended by him to reduce the 
 results of the bad karmas and to help lead to the right path, it can be 
 listened especially as part of the Arunam by anyone after the physical bath 
 or after the mental bath (TM or TM and Tm-Sidhis, anytime but best just 
 before sunrise and sunset.
 
 
 Bhadram karnebhih s'rnuy#257;ma dev#257;h  
 bhadram pasyem#257;k#7779;abhiryajatr#257;h
 sthirairangaistushtuvam sastan#363;bhir 
 vya#347;ema devahitam yad#257;yuh
 svasti na indro vriddha#347;rav#257;h
 svasti nah p#363;#7779;h#257; vi#347;vaved#257;h
 svasti nast#257;rk#7779;yo ari#7779;tanemih
 svasti no brihaspatirdadh#257;tu
 
 
 Shining Ones! May we hear through our ears what is auspicious; Ye, fit to be 
 worshipped! May we see with our eyes what is auspicious; May we, endowed with 
 body strong with limbs, offering praise, complete the full span of life 
 bestowed upon us by the divine beings; May Indra, of enhanced fame, be 
 auspicious unto us; May Pushan, who is all-knowing, be auspicious unto us; 
 May Tarkshya, who is the destroyer of all evils, be auspicious unto us; May 
 Brihaspati bestow upon us auspiciousness!  trans Swami Krishnananda on the 
 Mandukya Upanishad.(recurs)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[Bhairitu]

On 03/17/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 I even found green food coloring for my beer!

 Erin go Bragh

 Éirinn go Brách

 Ireland Forever



In 1972 when I was playing in a jazz trio at a Doubletree Inn they were 
serving red beer.  I made a joke and ordered green beer. The 
bartender thought for a moment and put in the lime flavoring they used 
for some drinks. Worked great and they added it to the bar menu.  
There's Roses lime syrup and probably a few other lime flavorings you 
could use instead of green coloring.  Who knows what that is made of.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or
 other Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here
 has been popular with meditators for more than 20 years, and
 there is no issue about it. 
 
 I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise.
 Adopt a faux innocence, of the I'm just interested type,
 and then hope that the replies turn up some information that
 you can make use of in your obsessive quest to present TM,
 MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light.

Important to note the difference, though: Barry's faux
innocence in posing questions is designed to give him
the opportunity to bash people on this forum whose ideas
he doesn't like. That doesn't seem to be the case with
Michael.



 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote:
 
  I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
  practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. 
  Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone 
  having a Bible study group would be a problem. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
   posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going 
   to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about 
   having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a 
   student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
   
From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

   I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
   sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
   group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
   doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The 
series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in 
history.  So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM

A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the 
administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very 
important to him.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Michael Jackson]

You are not correct my friends name is William Kossler, public school teacher 
and classical guitarist - he is the one who posed the question to me - he lives 
in North Carolina





 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 

  
Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or other Christian 
activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has been popular with meditators 
for more than 20 years, and there is no issue about it. 

I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise. Adopt a faux 
innocence, of the I'm just interested type, and then hope that the replies 
turn up some information that you can make use of in your obsessive quest to 
present TM, MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote:

 I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
 practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. Jewish 
 services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone having a 
 Bible study group would be a problem. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
  posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going to 
  MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about 
  having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a 
  student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
  
  
    
  I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
  sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
  group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
  doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
   announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The 
   series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  
   So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.
   
   
   
   
   
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
   To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
   
   
     
   A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
   over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
   begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration 
   react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.
  
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Running through walls to Michael J

[hopintopin]

Re: DrDumbAss Comment: TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. 
You have NO IDEA about the techniques#39; long term effects because you quit 
doing it, decades ago. 

The long term effects of TM or any other technique for enlightenment are only 
from the karma already released. There are no other long term effects other 
than psychological conditioning. Karma is released while one is doing whatever 
technique is employed, but ceases to be released when the technique is stopped. 
I know all or part of seven different paths to enlightenment, but practiced TM 
very regularly for over 17 years. I found the path that I believe is the 
fastest and most complete, but it was an offshoot from first, Elizabeth Clare 
Prophet's teachings, then Christianity.
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you recently say 
 that you still do TM sometimes?  And btw, I'm glad you had such a good 
 childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of happy and unhappy 
 stuff.  OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?!  And most of it anti TM?!  
 I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's more 
 going on for you than simply sharing your opinions.   
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
 Cheerleaders]
  
 
   
 that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
 that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
 organization.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
 Cheerleaders]
  
 
   
 Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is 
 that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
 participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against 
 something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't 
 give quitters a lot of credence. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
   distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point 
   of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing 
   carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that 
   can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the 
   journey. 
   
   TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and 
   Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal 
   benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? 
  
  Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
  to claim to have won any argument about TM:
  
  You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
  
  Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
  years of running through walls
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
   
you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid 
me. 





 From: doctordumbass@ 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders


  
The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you 
haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
practice keeps you moving. 

TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO 
IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, 
decades ago. 

So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what 
TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the 
sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from
my point of view, falling prey to one of the most 
chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were 
TOLD -- by the people selling them the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Michael Jackson]

Besides, it is impossible and therefore unnecessary for me to present TM, MUM, 
and MMY in the worst possible light as I have no issues with MUM as a 
university at all, merely the leaders of the place and as to MMY and the TMO, 
they have painted the worst picture of themselves for nearly 60 years, so they 
did the job for me. 

And just for the record, if Mah-Har-Shee and the TMO had behaved with openness, 
honesty and decency and acted like they were worth a shit all these years I 
would have remained in the TMO and would now be the head of Purusha if not the 
TMO and the world would already be enlightened.

So the current state of the world, its financial demise, wars and lack of peace 
and enlightenment you can blame on Marshy and his ilk for the way they chose to 
behave, which drove me away and prevented me from taking leadership of the 
Movement and bringing world peace and enlightenment to everyone. 

If that is, you think that TM and its corollary programs are capable of 
bringing enlightenment to the world (which I don't). If you believe they can, 
why did it not already happen? Has to be the way the head honchos have behaved 
and wasted the precious knowledge. 

Of course its all moot since TM will never and has never made anyone 
enlightened the way Marshy said it would (except Robin  Carlsen and Andy 
Rhymer) nor has the group practice of the TMSP ever achieved even so much as 
the reduction of a single instance of a fly eating someone's breakfast pancakes 
when the person was away from the table getting the ayurvedic honey from the 
pantry. 





 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 

  
Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or other Christian 
activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has been popular with meditators 
for more than 20 years, and there is no issue about it. 

I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise. Adopt a faux 
innocence, of the I'm just interested type, and then hope that the replies 
turn up some information that you can make use of in your obsessive quest to 
present TM, MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote:

 I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
 practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. Jewish 
 services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone having a 
 Bible study group would be a problem. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
  posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going to 
  MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about 
  having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a 
  student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
  
  
    
  I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
  sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
  group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
  doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
   announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The 
   series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  
   So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.
   
   
   
   
   
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
   To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
   
   
     
   A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
   over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
   begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration 
   react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.
  
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 03/17/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:
  I even found green food coloring for my beer!
 
  Erin go Bragh
 
  �irinn go Br�ch
 
  Ireland Forever
 
 
 
 In 1972 when I was playing in a jazz trio at a Doubletree Inn they were 
 serving red beer.  I made a joke and ordered green beer. The 
 bartender thought for a moment and put in the lime flavoring they used 
 for some drinks. Worked great and they added it to the bar menu.  
 There's Roses lime syrup and probably a few other lime flavorings you 
 could use instead of green coloring.  Who knows what that is made of.

They were possibly serving Guinness Stout, which is a deep shade of red, 
although it tends to look black; it's made partially with roasted grain. I know 
this because a glass is sitting by my computer. My family insisted I have this 
on this day. It is the most popular beer in Ireland. The label reads the year 
1759, when the brewery was established.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Running through walls to Michael J

[feste37]

Tell us more about that. How was Elizabeth Clare Prophet, and then Christianity 
fastest and most complete? In what sense?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@... wrote:

 Re: DrDumbAss Comment: TM is not the static believerism you make it out to 
 be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques#39; long term effects because you 
 quit doing it, decades ago. 
 
 The long term effects of TM or any other technique for enlightenment are only 
 from the karma already released. There are no other long term effects other 
 than psychological conditioning. Karma is released while one is doing 
 whatever technique is employed, but ceases to be released when the technique 
 is stopped. I know all or part of seven different paths to enlightenment, but 
 practiced TM very regularly for over 17 years. I found the path that I 
 believe is the fastest and most complete, but it was an offshoot from first, 
 Elizabeth Clare Prophet's teachings, then Christianity.

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you recently 
  say that you still do TM sometimes?  And btw, I'm glad you had such a good 
  childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of happy and unhappy 
  stuff.  OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?!  And most of it anti TM?!  
  I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's more 
  going on for you than simply sharing your opinions.   
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
  Cheerleaders]
   
  
    
  that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know 
  that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and 
  organization.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM 
  Cheerleaders]
   
  
    
  Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is 
  that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer 
  participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing 
  against something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, 
  I don't give quitters a lot of credence. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long 
distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point 
of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing 
carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, 
that can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end 
of the journey. 

TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you 
and Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the 
eternal benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little 
longer? 
   
   Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way
   to claim to have won any argument about TM:
   
   You only did it for 20 years! What do you know!
   
   Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty
   years of running through walls
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it 
 took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid 
 me. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@ 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders
 
 
   
 The only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, 
 repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing 
 you haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the 
 practice keeps you moving. 
 
 TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO 
 IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing 
 it, decades ago. 
 
 So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about 
 what TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on 
 the sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[feste37]

But it was you who saw an opportunity in it. And when it yielded nothing, you 
just went off on yet another highly predictable anti-TM rant. 

I rest my case. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 You are not correct my friends name is William Kossler, public school teacher 
 and classical guitarist - he is the one who posed the question to me - he 
 lives in North Carolina
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
  
 
   
 Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or other 
 Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has been popular with 
 meditators for more than 20 years, and there is no issue about it. 
 
 I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise. Adopt a faux 
 innocence, of the I'm just interested type, and then hope that the replies 
 turn up some information that you can make use of in your obsessive quest to 
 present TM, MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote:
 
  I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
  practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. 
  Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone 
  having a Bible study group would be a problem. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
   posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going 
   to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about 
   having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a 
   student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
   
   
   
   
   
From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
   
   
     
   I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
   sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
   group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
   doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  
The series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in 
history.  So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.





 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM


  
A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the 
administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very 
important to him.
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no
 one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.
 
 Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
 because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
 say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
 approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized
 diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.

Ravi,

I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to communicate 
directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My purpose on being at 
FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be ludicrous for me to be a guru. I 
normally do not feel a need to vent my frustrations here, as seems to be a 
common practice. However if you need asinine platitudes, I suppose I could make 
up a few for you.

'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'

What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very 
important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear properly 
organised according to dharmic principles.

And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the edge of 
... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to tip off of it. 
You are a person of dynamic contrasts.
 
 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
 anartaxius@... wrote:
 
  **
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go
  through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to
  respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
  time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He
  chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
  place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please
  try to remember...
  
  I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter
  access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
  Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail
  Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to
  drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction.
  Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely
  tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most
  thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
 
  Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis,
  that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and
  most Humble power.
 
   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  On 03/17/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumbass@ wrote:
   I even found green food coloring for my beer!
  
   Erin go Bragh
  
   �irinn go Br�ch
  
   Ireland Forever
  
  In 1972 when I was playing in a jazz trio at a Doubletree 
  Inn they were serving red beer. I made a joke and ordered 
  green beer. The bartender thought for a moment and put 
  in the lime flavoring they used for some drinks. Worked 
  great and they added it to the bar menu. There's Roses 
  lime syrup and probably a few other lime flavorings you 
  could use instead of green coloring. Who knows what that 
  is made of.
 
 They were possibly serving Guinness Stout, which is a 
 deep shade of red, although it tends to look black; 
 it's made partially with roasted grain. I know this 
 because a glass is sitting by my computer. My family 
 insisted I have this on this day. It is the most 
 popular beer in Ireland. The label reads the year 
 1759, when the brewery was established.

While any Guinness is better than most American beers,
you should know that if you're drinking it out of a 
bottle you're not really experiencing True Guinness.
A former Irish girlfriend who was showing me around
Dublin once explained the esoteric secrets of Guinness
to me. 

It pretty much has to be delivered to the bar in kegs
and then dispensed through a spigot in the bar to be
True Guinness. For some reason it doesn't travel
well. There is even a lore that says that in Dublin
itself, the Guinness served in pubs closer to the
actual bottling factory tastes better. My girlfriend
took me on a pub crawl to prove it and damn if she
wasn't right. 

As for what Bhairitu was told about, chances are it
was Murphy's Irish Red. Murphy's makes a stout that
is a close competitor to Guinness, but ever since
Heineken bought the label their Irish Red has been
selling better in export markets. 

I had a glass to celebrate Saint Paddy's day on the
Thalys on the way here. It was a fascinating experience
again, sitting in the bar car, looking out the window
at telephone poles zipping by like a picket fence at
300+ kph, and yet there was not a ripple in the surface
of my beer as it sat on the table in front of me. Three
hours, Schiphol to Gare du Nord. It's really the *only*
way to travel. Cheaper than flying, and faster, because
there are no commutes to an airport or going through
security. 

I'll be going out later to look for an Irish bar at
which to pass a little time tonight. The French don't
really celebrate St. Paddy's Day in any way, but there
are Irish bars everywhere, and they certainly do. 

Beannachtam na Feile Padraig!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[Bhairitu]

On 03/17/2013 12:41 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 On 03/17/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:
 I even found green food coloring for my beer!

 Erin go Bragh

 �irinn go Br�ch

 Ireland Forever


 In 1972 when I was playing in a jazz trio at a Doubletree Inn they were
 serving red beer.  I made a joke and ordered green beer. The
 bartender thought for a moment and put in the lime flavoring they used
 for some drinks. Worked great and they added it to the bar menu.
 There's Roses lime syrup and probably a few other lime flavorings you
 could use instead of green coloring.  Who knows what that is made of.
 They were possibly serving Guinness Stout, which is a deep shade of red, 
 although it tends to look black; it's made partially with roasted grain. I 
 know this because a glass is sitting by my computer. My family insisted I 
 have this on this day. It is the most popular beer in Ireland. The label 
 reads the year 1759, when the brewery was established.

The red bear recipe was done adding tomato juice to tap beer.  We used 
to call it red bear. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sharalyn homeonthefarm@... wrote:

 To whoever wrote this:
 
  you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it took 
  me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid me. 
  
 
 Stupid? 
 
 I came to FFL today to ask a specific question and then get back out again, 
 but it was unavoidable to see a couple of quotes that peaked a reaction from 
 me, yours being one of them. I think you have missed the point, that just 
 because there are other games does not mean they would have worked for you 
 any earlier or that you would have even found them any sooner.
 
 Consider this:
 
 I had to do TM for 3 years before I quit smoking because it suddenly became 
 so repulsive that I had to quit. There are many methods to quit smoking but 
 over the 18 years i smoked I never found anything else that worked. 
 Furthermore, over the next few years, 3 of my non-meditating family members 
 died of lung cancer. So, who was stupid? 
 
  I had to meditate for 5 years before I was smart enough to go from being a 
 drop-out to making an A in statistics class, and then to become the first 
 and only person in my family to get higher education, both a BA and a MA. 
 There are many colleges and learning methods, but none of them worked for me. 
 Today I am so well established intellectually that I could go to any school, 
 but do you think it would have happened, just out of the blue, merely an 
 accident of fate, that I suddenly got smarter, learned to concentrate, and 
 succeeded in school, or do you think it's more likely that I learned an easy 
 method, one that required no concentration or effort, called TM? Was there 
 any other game in town which I would have tried? Seriously unlikely.
 
 I had to meditate for 15 years before I got smart enough to be successful in 
 psychotherapy. I'd tried therapy a few times before and always quit within 
 weeks of starting. So where did the desire, determination, courage, and other 
 aspects of character come from for me to be successful? It certainly wasn't 
 just my therapist, or his methods, but rather despite them that I succeeded.  
 My relatives continued to live out what would have been my fate without 
 TM--they became alcoholics, drug addicts, and suicides. Some finally found 
 other games: AA, religion, prayer. Care to make comparisons in benefits and 
 outcomes? Do you think I would have been so different than the rest of my 
 family to suddenly wake up to discover any other system or to work at it if 
 it required more effort than TM? To think so is to think irrationally. 
 
 I had to meditate for 20 years before I could bear to be in the same room 
 with my mother, to become loving, understanding, tolerant, and to overcome 
 the temper and other aspects of our family dysfunctions. The rest of my 
 family, including my son, are to this day still locked in those same 
 dysfunctions. Why was that I rose to higher planes when they, who could have 
 found alternatives, didn't do so? What made me grow so far so fast so deep 
 when they didn't? It certainly wasn't prayer or religion for some of them 
 practice that religiously.
 
 I will skip over what happened after 20 years except to say that I had to 
 meditate for 35 years to become so wise and compassionate that I developed 
 the ability to heal others. Healing is just common sense work when you can 
 see the laws of nature, but do you think I could see these laws of nature 
 without all these years of practicing TM? 
 
 I have known that for years that there are other games in town: Tolle, 
 Adyshanti, Amma, Peruvian Shaminism, etc. etc. etc. etc., including some very 
 enlightened people right here in Fairfield. (I know enough about these games 
 to have taught college metaphysics and Comparative Meditation Techniques.) 
 Most of them have enriched my life and my spiritual understanding but this 
 growth would not have happened had they been my original teachers. It took 
 years of meditating for me to open up mentally, emotionally, spiritually to 
 what they to offer. But of what value would they be if my consciousness was 
 not already awakened? And have you observed, who succeeds at these other 
 games better than former meditators? It requires an awakening to even be 
 able to utilize these other games. 
 
 But there is another point that one needs to appreciate to understand where 
 you are coming from.
 
 My observation is that there are 3 stages of gaining knowledge. The first 
 stage is blind devotion. (This is not a stupid stage, as many make it out to 
 be; it is a very healthy stage of purifying formation of character, 
 intellect, and spiritual growth). Where Maharishi's teachings are concerned, 
 we followed him because the message made sense. Unlike many other teachings, 
 his are orderly and comprehensive and they created a framework for us to 
 understand where other teachers are coming from.
 
 The 2nd stage is disillusionment 

[FairfieldLife] Molly Malone - Dubliners

[Emily Reyn]

Don't be shy nowsing alongAlive, alive, O!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaaK40DgbbQ



Molly Malone
Traditional
In Dublin's fair city, where the girls are so pretty
I first set my eyes on sweet Molly Malone
As she wheeled her wheelbarrow through streets broad and narrow
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

She was a fishmonger and sure it was no wonder
For so were her father and mother before
And they both wheeled their barrows through streets broad and narrow
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

She died of a fever and no one could save her
And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone
Now her ghost wheels her barrow through streets broad and narrow
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or
 other Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has
 been popular with meditators for more than 20 years, and there is
 no issue about it. 
 

This is true. The TMO only has a bug up its ass with respect to 
religious/spiritual activities of non-TMO, Indian/Vedic/Hindu origins.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

It may be that techniques have a certain life span in this spiritual business. 
If you get one too early, it won't work. If you use one for a long time, it 
might come to a natural interruption; you stop, then start again later. It 
might come to a natural end. For example, with TM, you sometimes switch 
techniques, advancing the technique. Other systems may do the same, they give 
you techniques for a certain specific purpose, and if that purpose if 
fulfilled, you need it no more. For example, Zen koans are techniques for 
illuminating certain facets of experience.

Starting and Stopping are natural transitions. For example, if you get hit by a 
car traveling at 200km/hr your spiritual progress transitions to an absolute 
value.

[FairfieldLife] On Raglan Road (was Re: Molly Malone - Dubliners)

[turquoiseb]

If you want a truly Irish song, do not pass Go, do not
collect $200, go straight to On Raglan Road. Written
by Dublin poet Kenneth Kavanagh in 1946, it's as haunting
today as it was then. Here are a couple of versions of it, 
and the lyrics:

The Dubliners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iC5L79J9dc

But this is my favorite, because Mark Knopfler's voice
is simply divine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zftcuVQDcNM

On Raglan Road of an autumn day
I saw her first and knew
That her dark hair would weave a snare
That I might one day rue
I saw the danger and I passed
Along the enchanted way
And I said let grief be a fallen leaf
At the dawning of the day

On Grafton Street in November
We tripped lightly along the ledge
Of a deep ravine where can be seen
The worth of passion's pledge
The Queen of Hearts still making tarts
And I not making hay
Oh I loved too much and by such by such
Is happiness thrown away

I gave her gifts of the mind
I gave her the secret signs
Known to the artists who have known
The true gods of sound and stone
And word and tint I did not stint
I gave her poems to say
With her own name there
And her own dark hair
Like clouds over fields of May

On a quiet street where old ghosts meet
I see her walking now
Away from me so hurriedly my reason must allow
That I had loved not as I should
A creature made of clay
When the angel woos the clay
He'll lose his wings at the dawn of day


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Don't be shy nowsing alongAlive, alive, O!
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaaK40DgbbQ
 
 
 
 Molly Malone
 Traditional
 In Dublin's fair city, where the girls are so pretty
 I first set my eyes on sweet Molly Malone
 As she wheeled her wheelbarrow through streets broad and narrow
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 She was a fishmonger and sure it was no wonder
 For so were her father and mother before
 And they both wheeled their barrows through streets broad and narrow
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 She died of a fever and no one could save her
 And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone
 Now her ghost wheels her barrow through streets broad and narrow
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[hopintopin]

Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old Gothic 
Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster referred, was 
torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn down says it all. 
For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible study group would be 
allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? To my knowledge, many in 
Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, are anti-organized religion. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no
  one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.
  
  Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
  because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
  say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
  approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized
  diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.
 
 Ravi,
 
 I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to communicate 
 directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My purpose on being at 
 FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be ludicrous for me to be a guru. I 
 normally do not feel a need to vent my frustrations here, as seems to be a 
 common practice. However if you need asinine platitudes, I suppose I could 
 make up a few for you.
 
 'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
 'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'
 
 What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very 
 important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear properly 
 organised according to dharmic principles.
 
 And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the edge 
 of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to tip off of 
 it. You are a person of dynamic contrasts.
  
  On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   **
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
   wrote:
   
So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go
   through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to
   respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
   time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He
   chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
   place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please
   try to remember...
   
   I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter
   access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
   Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail
   Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to
   drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction.
   Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely
   tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most
   thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
  
   Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis,
   that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and
   most Humble power.
  

  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I even found green food coloring for my beer! 
 
 Erin go Bragh
 
 Éirinn go Brách
 
 Ireland Forever


Yes, the restaurant that I visited for lunch today was celebrating St. 
Patrick's Day.  But no, it was a Mexican restaurant at the Mission District in 
SF.  FWIW, I had a machaca dish with horchata for my drink.  So, there you have 
it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[Share Long]

light and dark the yonder shores of each other, 
somewhere in the middle they meet, 
lost and found in the beauty of the other





 From: sound of stillness soundofstilln...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 

  
morning light
abiding in the beauty
of yonder shore

Enlightenment. Is it . . .

Being in harmony with our own state of evolution. 

Each state of consciousness with its own reality, each inseparable yet distinct 
from one another. As night is from day.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[feste37]

I believe it was torn down because the foundation was unstable. It was a very 
old building, and the cost of upkeep was prohibitive. Your implication that it 
was torn down because of some hostility toward it is not correct. That building 
was loved. Many meditators got married in it, and concerts were held there too. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@... wrote:

 Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old Gothic 
 Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster referred, 
 was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn down says it 
 all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible study group 
 would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? To my 
 knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, are 
 anti-organized religion. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no
   one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.
   
   Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
   because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
   say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
   approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized
   diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.
  
  Ravi,
  
  I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to 
  communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My 
  purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be ludicrous 
  for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my frustrations 
  here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you need asinine 
  platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you.
  
  'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
  'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'
  
  What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very 
  important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear properly 
  organised according to dharmic principles.
  
  And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the 
  edge of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to tip 
  off of it. You are a person of dynamic contrasts.
   
   On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
   anartaxius@ wrote:
   
**
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
wrote:

 So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go
through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to
respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If 
He
chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And 
please
try to remember...

I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter
access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail
Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to
drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy 
direction.
Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it 
barely
tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us 
most
thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
   
Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His 
Chapatis,
that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine 
and
most Humble power.
   
 
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 2

[sparaig]

LOL MUM is one of the Movement's largest cash cows...

At first, I thought this was serious stuff.

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 The Second Level of the TM Movement.
 Behind the scenes of Marshy have always been his three
 nephews, Anand and Ajay
 Srivastava, and Girish Chandra Varma. These boys, after Marshy, have reaped 
 the
 majority of the financial rewards that Movement has taken in over the years.
 They keep Movement's begging wheels spinning eternally.
 
 The
 Third Level of the Movement:
 Marshy
 always had various lieutenants such as Charlie Lutes, Jerry Jarvis and others
 to do his bidding and carry out his orders. Some of them are dead, like Lutes
 and others like Jerry irritated Marshy and were relegated to positions of
 little importance or ejected from the Movement altogether. 
 
 Others
 have stood the test of time, like Bevan Morris, Neil Patterson and of course,
 King Tony Nader. Of them all, Bevan has probably been with the Movement and 
 was
 with Marshy the longest without being dismissed for not playing along with
 Marshy's demagoguery. Bevan was placed years ago in charge of one of the
 Movement's largest cash cows, Maharishi International University, renamed for
 some unknown reason as Maharishi University of Management which is a very
 apropos name as it mainly exists to manage the flow of funds from the United 
 States
 to the TM Movement in Vlodrop, Holland and Marshy's India. 
 
 People
 in the Movement like Bevan, Neil and Tony were the greatest enablers of Marshy
 and his enormities. They saw and either encouraged or condoned his lies. They
 knew that he was directing most of the money the Movement raised into his own
 hands and that of his family. Much worse in my opinion was each of his close
 lieutenants seeing and knowing Marshy washaving sex with women while claiming 
 to be a life-long celibate monk and
 boldly telling both single and married women and men to be celibate, 
 supposedly
 so their evolution would not suffer.
 
 In
 light of the fact that Marshy was having sex with the same women he was
 counseling, I believe he did it deliberately for two reasons †one reason 
 was
 to maintain the illusion that he was a holy man, a celibate monk and the other
 reason was to make sure there was less competition for the women he targeted
 for relationships and also to make sure they would be good and horny when he
 came on to them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] On Raglan Road (was Re: Molly Malone - Dubliners)

[Emily Reyn]

Love it.  Thanks.  




 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] On Raglan Road (was Re: Molly Malone - Dubliners)
 

  
If you want a truly Irish song, do not pass Go, do not
collect $200, go straight to On Raglan Road. Written
by Dublin poet Kenneth Kavanagh in 1946, it's as haunting
today as it was then. Here are a couple of versions of it, 
and the lyrics:

The Dubliners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iC5L79J9dc

But this is my favorite, because Mark Knopfler's voice
is simply divine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zftcuVQDcNM

On Raglan Road of an autumn day
I saw her first and knew
That her dark hair would weave a snare
That I might one day rue
I saw the danger and I passed
Along the enchanted way
And I said let grief be a fallen leaf
At the dawning of the day

On Grafton Street in November
We tripped lightly along the ledge
Of a deep ravine where can be seen
The worth of passion's pledge
The Queen of Hearts still making tarts
And I not making hay
Oh I loved too much and by such by such
Is happiness thrown away

I gave her gifts of the mind
I gave her the secret signs
Known to the artists who have known
The true gods of sound and stone
And word and tint I did not stint
I gave her poems to say
With her own name there
And her own dark hair
Like clouds over fields of May

On a quiet street where old ghosts meet
I see her walking now
Away from me so hurriedly my reason must allow
That I had loved not as I should
A creature made of clay
When the angel woos the clay
He'll lose his wings at the dawn of day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Don't be shy nowsing alongAlive, alive, O!
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaaK40DgbbQ
 
 
 
 Molly Malone
 Traditional
 In Dublin's fair city, where the girls are so pretty
 I first set my eyes on sweet Molly Malone
 As she wheeled her wheelbarrow through streets broad and narrow
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 She was a fishmonger and sure it was no wonder
 For so were her father and mother before
 And they both wheeled their barrows through streets broad and narrow
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 She died of a fever and no one could save her
 And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone
 Now her ghost wheels her barrow through streets broad and narrow
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!
 A-live a-live O! A-live a-live O!
 Crying cockles and mussels alive a-live O!



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 I believe it was torn down because the foundation was unstable.
 It was a very old building, and the cost of upkeep was prohibitive.
 Your implication that it was torn down because of some hostility
 toward it is not correct. That building was loved. Many meditators
 got married in it, and concerts were held there too. 

Yep. IIRC, they spent over a hundred grand to fix the leaky roof, and after the 
crumbly foundation shifted some more, the roof started leaking again. It was 
going to take another half million dollars to fix the foundation, which is a 
lot to pour into a building that wasn't all that useful to the university. 

As I've pointed out before, the old St. Mary's Catholic Church in town was 
built within 5 years of Barhydt Chapel and suffered a similar amount of 
structural dilapidation. But, when St. Mary's tore down their own old church 
building, there was nary a peep of protest about it. The stink over Barhydt was 
purely a bunch of faux outrage because a cult of Hindoo Voodoo weirdos tore 
down a church... OMG! They killed Jeebus! You bastards!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@ wrote:
 
  Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old 
  Gothic Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster 
  referred, was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn 
  down says it all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible 
  study group would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? 
  To my knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, 
  are anti-organized religion. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
   wrote:
   
Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - 
no
one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.

Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally 
fantasized
diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.
   
   Ravi,
   
   I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to 
   communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My 
   purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be 
   ludicrous for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my 
   frustrations here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you need 
   asinine platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you.
   
   'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
   'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'
   
   What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very 
   important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear 
   properly organised according to dharmic principles.
   
   And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the 
   edge of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to 
   tip off of it. You are a person of dynamic contrasts.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@ wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to 
  go
 through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish 
 to
 respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in 
 due
 time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. 
 If He
 chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
 place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And 
 please
 try to remember...
 
 I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket 
 counter
 access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
 Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe 
 Nail
 Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign 
 to
 drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy 
 direction.
 Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it 
 barely
 tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us 
 most
 thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.

 Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His 
 Chapatis,
 that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their 
 Divine and
 most Humble power.

  

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[Bhairitu]

On 03/17/2013 02:17 PM, John wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:
 I even found green food coloring for my beer!

 Erin go Bragh

 Éirinn go Brách

 Ireland Forever

 Yes, the restaurant that I visited for lunch today was celebrating St. 
 Patrick's Day.  But no, it was a Mexican restaurant at the Mission District 
 in SF.  FWIW, I had a machaca dish with horchata for my drink.  So, there you 
 have it.

This is my niece's birthday.  So I sent her a green card, literally it 
was printed on green cardstock.  She's lives in Arizona so it was a bit 
of an inside joke.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Take two:Everything below is my POV

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 

wrote:
(snip)
 One of the biggest problems of discussing Maharishi's teaching
 with Judy is that she lacks the full context of it because she
 was not trained in it.  She did not sit through the 696 hours
 of instruction including a month devoted to Vedic Studies that
 puts Maharishi's teaching into the context of his religious
 traditions.  But she doesn't know what she doesn't know, so
 she launches into attacks with a skewed perspective that is
 very difficult to sort out when combined with her pugnaciousness.

This is yet another misrepresentation of our discussion by Curtis.
My only claim has to do with what the rank-and-file is taught.
That does *not* require sitting through the 696 hours of
instruction, nor is it a skewed perspective. I've never disputed
that what is taught to the rank-and-file is not the full context
of Maharishi's teaching.

(snip)
(to Ann:)
 I get that you are big fan of Judy, not a fan of Barry, and seem to
 go back and forth with me.  But please stick to what is actually
 being claimed.

IOW, to what *Curtis* is claiming, including his misrepresentations
of what *I* have claimed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A lie is only a lie when it's about Judy or someone she likes

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
Barry has really missed your fluffing services,
navashok. I'm sure he's very glad to see you.

(mercy snip of navashok's catastrophic own-goal)

Except that my knowledge is more than just superficial
beginner level, and my understanding is better than
that of some teachers.
   
   Then talk about it, and don't always withdraw to the most
   official and most common texts from the TM websites.
  
  I do and have done so often, as you know. In this case it
  was appropriate for me to document my points.
 
 No, you don't document your points, you *escape* with standard
 stereotype phrases. You neglect valid points which come from a
 place of greater knowledge and play stupid innocent. That's
 what you do.

Gosh, that's an impressive-sounding analysis. Too bad it
isn't true.

 You can never compare the type of involvement she
 has and had with that of some more dedicated people,
 who were involved on the organizational level, for
 several years, had direct interactions with a
 teacher (Maharishi), even if this is decades ago, it
 is more revealing and rich than just plain-vanilla-
 TM-consumerism and I-know-all-TM-teachings-by-heart.

And I've never claimed my knowledge goes beyond what
is taught to the rank-and-file and what I've picked
up from teachers on this and other Web forums. Oh,
and during my stay at the TM facility in Asbury Park
back in '95-'96.
   
   That always makes me laugh when you mention that. Keep
   mentioning it in 10 more years.
  
  You should only know how it makes *me* laugh when you
  pretend something is funny but decline to say why. Do
  you have *any* idea how transparent you are?
 
 Well, if it's so transparent,

Not it, *you*.

 why don't you laugh with me?

I guess you don't understand what transparent means in
this context. Another way of saying it is that you're very
easy to see through. Make sense now?

 I mean do you still keep track of time somehow?
  
   You know, even Robin was clear about this: you not having
   been a TM teacher, can not really fathom what the TM
   movement was then and now.
  
  Of course I can't. I've never disputed this (and nobody
  had to tell me about it either).
 
 Robin obviously felt he had to.

You thought he was saying this for *my* benefit, because *I*
needed to hear it? LOL.

   Because TM teachers had a
   better insight into the movement, they couldn't be as naive as 
   the 'rank and file', and were therefore more easily 
   disillusioned.
  
  I have no doubt.
 
 Then you should give both Curtis and Barry some credit for it,
 rather than supporting the utterly dump arguments of Doc and
 little Nabby.

(Dumb, not dump.)

Actually (as you know) I rarely support DrD's and Nabby's
arguments. And in any case, it isn't Barry's and Curtis's 
disillusionment I go after; they have a right to that.
It's their arrogance and hubris.

   You just couldn't look at the whole thing the same way, if
   you knew more,
  
  Not only do you not know how I'm looking at it, you don't
  even know what my dispute with Curtis was about.
 
 Even though this may come as a surprise to you, but I am able
 to read.

Your comprehension of written English isn't anywhere near as
good as you think it is. If you disagree, tell us how you think
I'm looking at the whole thing, and what my dispute with Curtis
was about.

 Oh, yeah, I know, you try to make these exchanges unreadable,
 you try very hard at it, sometimes somebody still reads it.

LOL.

   and were let into more secrets, and Maharishi
   would sometimes let those secrets out, sometimes in the
   middle of the night in Noida, when everybody was half asleep.
   These self-classification tests were being done, as to being
   clear or hazy transcendence, or clear ritam or hazy ritam.
   
   The problem is not, that you weren't there, or that you
   didn't have the opportunity to be on those courses. The
   problem is really that you play the movement spokesman
   on the basis of those superficial public statements, that
   you play out the PR spin. Now that is superficial.
  
  Not true on any count. I don't play movement spokesman,
  I play a long-time TMer who watches the movement from
  afar; I rarely cite TMO public statements; my interest
  isn't in PR but in accuracy; and since none of what you
  say is even *true*, it can't be said to be superficial.
  
  I'll get to your silly sutra post later.
 
 There is really nothing you have in hand about it.

In hand about it? I don't know what that's supposed to
mean.

It's a silly post with nothing substantive in it.

 If I may say something more esoteric here, for me Judy is
 still a young soul, despite 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 03/17/2013 02:17 PM, John wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  I even found green food coloring for my beer!
 
  Erin go Bragh
 
  Éirinn go Brách
 
  Ireland Forever
 
  Yes, the restaurant that I visited for lunch today was celebrating St. 
  Patrick's Day.  But no, it was a Mexican restaurant at the Mission District 
  in SF.  FWIW, I had a machaca dish with horchata for my drink.  So, there 
  you have it.
 
 This is my niece's birthday.  So I sent her a green card, literally it 
 was printed on green cardstock.  She's lives in Arizona so it was a bit 
 of an inside joke.


I used to work in Fort Huachuca, AZ many years ago.  It's anything but green 
over there.  Sage brush country is what I remember.  But one restaurant was 
celebrating St. Patrick's over there too with banners saying, Erin go Bragh.  
It was also in another restaurant  that I ate a large portion of bison meat for 
dinner.  It was delicious.

For historical perpective, the US Army originally established Fort Huachuca to 
pacify the Apaches who were riding on a rampage in that land over a hundred 
years ago.  Now the Army has a major communications command that spans 
worldwide.  How that happened is still a mystery to me.  Maybe Goldwater had 
something to do with it.

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lie is only a lie when it's about Judy or someone she likes

[Ravi Chivukula]

Judy - And in any case, it isn't Barry's and Curtis's  disillusionment I
go after; they have a right to that. It's their arrogance and hubris.

Thank you for clarifying that, not that I needed just stressing it hoping
it helps others - especially those who are hell bent on twisting and
manipulating your words - yeah you  know who you are.. bastards..LOL..

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:42 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
 wrote:

 Barry has really missed your fluffing services,
 navashok. I'm sure he's very glad to see you.

 (mercy snip of navashok's catastrophic own-goal)

 Except that my knowledge is more than just superficial
 beginner level, and my understanding is better than
 that of some teachers.
   
Then talk about it, and don't always withdraw to the most
official and most common texts from the TM websites.
  
   I do and have done so often, as you know. In this case it
   was appropriate for me to document my points.
 
  No, you don't document your points, you *escape* with standard
  stereotype phrases. You neglect valid points which come from a
  place of greater knowledge and play stupid innocent. That's
  what you do.

 Gosh, that's an impressive-sounding analysis. Too bad it
 isn't true.

  You can never compare the type of involvement she
  has and had with that of some more dedicated people,
  who were involved on the organizational level, for
  several years, had direct interactions with a
  teacher (Maharishi), even if this is decades ago, it
  is more revealing and rich than just plain-vanilla-
  TM-consumerism and I-know-all-TM-teachings-by-heart.

 And I've never claimed my knowledge goes beyond what
 is taught to the rank-and-file and what I've picked
 up from teachers on this and other Web forums. Oh,
 and during my stay at the TM facility in Asbury Park
 back in '95-'96.
   
That always makes me laugh when you mention that. Keep
mentioning it in 10 more years.
  
   You should only know how it makes *me* laugh when you
   pretend something is funny but decline to say why. Do
   you have *any* idea how transparent you are?
 
  Well, if it's so transparent,

 Not it, *you*.

  why don't you laugh with me?

 I guess you don't understand what transparent means in
 this context. Another way of saying it is that you're very
 easy to see through. Make sense now?

  I mean do you still keep track of time somehow?
 
You know, even Robin was clear about this: you not having
been a TM teacher, can not really fathom what the TM
movement was then and now.
  
   Of course I can't. I've never disputed this (and nobody
   had to tell me about it either).
 
  Robin obviously felt he had to.

 You thought he was saying this for *my* benefit, because *I*
 needed to hear it? LOL.

Because TM teachers had a
better insight into the movement, they couldn't be as naive as
the 'rank and file', and were therefore more easily
disillusioned.
  
   I have no doubt.
 
  Then you should give both Curtis and Barry some credit for it,
  rather than supporting the utterly dump arguments of Doc and
  little Nabby.

 (Dumb, not dump.)

 Actually (as you know) I rarely support DrD's and Nabby's
 arguments. And in any case, it isn't Barry's and Curtis's
 disillusionment I go after; they have a right to that.
 It's their arrogance and hubris.

You just couldn't look at the whole thing the same way, if
you knew more,
  
   Not only do you not know how I'm looking at it, you don't
   even know what my dispute with Curtis was about.
 
  Even though this may come as a surprise to you, but I am able
  to read.

 Your comprehension of written English isn't anywhere near as
 good as you think it is. If you disagree, tell us how you think
 I'm looking at the whole thing, and what my dispute with Curtis
 was about.

  Oh, yeah, I know, you try to make these exchanges unreadable,
  you try very hard at it, sometimes somebody still reads it.

 LOL.

   and were let into more secrets, and Maharishi
would sometimes let those secrets out, sometimes in the
middle of the night in Noida, when everybody was half asleep.
These self-classification tests were being done, as to being
clear or hazy transcendence, or clear ritam or hazy ritam.
   
The problem is not, that you weren't there, or that you
didn't have the opportunity to be on those courses. The
problem is really that you play the movement spokesman
on the basis of those superficial public statements, that
you play out the PR spin. Now that is superficial.
  
   Not true on any count. I don't play movement spokesman,
   I play a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
   
So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go 
through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish 
to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in 
due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of 
discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your 
comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His 
precious time. And please try to remember...
   
 
   I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter 
   access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula 
   Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail 
   Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to 
   drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy 
   direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would 
   feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through 
   you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His 
   Greatness.
   
   Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His 
   Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their 
   Divine and most Humble power.
  
 
  Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a 
  rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a 
  flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for 
  Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too 
  tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His 
  Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The 
  latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly 
  then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily 
  approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe 
  distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along 
  the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing 
  sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional 
  glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice 
  should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under 
  seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start 
  muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an 
  erotic dream and waking reality.
  
  Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the 
  Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the 
  bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are 
  most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two 
  seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a 
  groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far 
  and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few 
  crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most 
  High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share 
  and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now...
  
  Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their 
  glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.
  
  Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he 
  has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right 
  up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean 
  permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching 
  water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what 
  will it be my most parched and sincere seekers?
  
  After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can 
  be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most 
  pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: 
  We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?
  
  The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play 
  softly in the background.
  
  [to be continued...]
 
 
 Scene fades in as the final strains of the gospel Just As I Am fade out 
 softly in the background.
 
 Laughing Jelly Bean, formerly known as LPHHR, with a blissful smile on his 
 pudgy yet somewhat handsome face, slips a slightly fatter wallet into the 
 folds of his patched dhoti while the three seeker companions, seated on 
 heavily worn straw mats for a very, very reasonable $1 per mat per half hour, 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[doctordumbass]

I just added a drop of blue/green color to my favorite Danish beer, Long-a 
Board-a. Took me two tries, since I tried to stir the first one, forgetting 
that you can't really stir beer...must add the color first, and then add the 
beer.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 03/17/2013 12:41 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  On 03/17/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumbass@ wrote:
  I even found green food coloring for my beer!
 
  Erin go Bragh
 
  �irinn go Br�ch
 
  Ireland Forever
 
 
  In 1972 when I was playing in a jazz trio at a Doubletree Inn they were
  serving red beer.  I made a joke and ordered green beer. The
  bartender thought for a moment and put in the lime flavoring they used
  for some drinks. Worked great and they added it to the bar menu.
  There's Roses lime syrup and probably a few other lime flavorings you
  could use instead of green coloring.  Who knows what that is made of.
  They were possibly serving Guinness Stout, which is a deep shade of red, 
  although it tends to look black; it's made partially with roasted grain. I 
  know this because a glass is sitting by my computer. My family insisted I 
  have this on this day. It is the most popular beer in Ireland. The label 
  reads the year 1759, when the brewery was established.
 
 The red bear recipe was done adding tomato juice to tap beer.  We used 
 to call it red bear. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Take two:Everything below is my POV

[hopintopin]

@ feste37: Sorry, but this is what people have been complaining about. Those 
in the TMO believe everything they are told. To completely re-roof a building 
the size of the chapel, especially at the time it was supposed to have been 
re-roofed, would not have cost $100,000. Foundation repairs might have cost 
$100,000, but most of the time foundation repairs cost much less than that. 
And, so much upkeep? On a lime stone building? We all know the chapel was 
sacrificed for a new building the DAC wanted there much more than they wanted 
the chapel. Also, about the Catholic Church tear down, even though I am a 
Protestant; I attended the Catholic Church in Fairfield one Sunday back in the 
1980s. The congregation had completely outgrown their facility. It also never 
had the charm and beauty of the campus chapel. In Capital Speak, calling 
people names because they tell the truth is Undignified.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 
 wrote:
 (snip)
  One of the biggest problems of discussing Maharishi's teaching
  with Judy is that she lacks the full context of it because she
  was not trained in it.  She did not sit through the 696 hours
  of instruction including a month devoted to Vedic Studies that
  puts Maharishi's teaching into the context of his religious
  traditions.  But she doesn't know what she doesn't know, so
  she launches into attacks with a skewed perspective that is
  very difficult to sort out when combined with her pugnaciousness.
 
 This is yet another misrepresentation of our discussion by Curtis.
 My only claim has to do with what the rank-and-file is taught.
 That does *not* require sitting through the 696 hours of
 instruction, nor is it a skewed perspective. I've never disputed
 that what is taught to the rank-and-file is not the full context
 of Maharishi's teaching.
 
 (snip)
 (to Ann:)
  I get that you are big fan of Judy, not a fan of Barry, and seem to
  go back and forth with me.  But please stick to what is actually
  being claimed.
 
 IOW, to what *Curtis* is claiming, including his misrepresentations
 of what *I* have claimed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  On 03/17/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumbass@ wrote:
   I even found green food coloring for my beer!
  
   Erin go Bragh
  
   �irinn go Br�ch
  
   Ireland Forever
  
  
  
  In 1972 when I was playing in a jazz trio at a Doubletree Inn they were 
  serving red beer.  I made a joke and ordered green beer. The 
  bartender thought for a moment and put in the lime flavoring they used 
  for some drinks. Worked great and they added it to the bar menu.  
  There's Roses lime syrup and probably a few other lime flavorings you 
  could use instead of green coloring.  Who knows what that is made of.
 
 They were possibly serving Guinness Stout, which is a deep shade of red, 
 although it tends to look black; it's made partially with roasted grain. I 
 know this because a glass is sitting by my computer. My family insisted I 
 have this on this day. It is the most popular beer in Ireland. The label 
 reads the year 1759, when the brewery was established.

Quite a few Irish horsemen believe in giving their horses a Guinness a day. 
They believe it puts an excellent shine on the coat.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Michael Jackson]

You are a fixated idiot - I am waiting to see what everybody says before I pass 
it on to Bill - or more politely put the things you despise so greatly in my 
behavior are the things you most despise in yourself





 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 

  
But it was you who saw an opportunity in it. And when it yielded nothing, you 
just went off on yet another highly predictable anti-TM rant. 

I rest my case. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 You are not correct my friends name is William Kossler, public school teacher 
 and classical guitarist - he is the one who posed the question to me - he 
 lives in North Carolina
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 
 
   
 Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or other 
 Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has been popular with 
 meditators for more than 20 years, and there is no issue about it. 
 
 I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise. Adopt a faux 
 innocence, of the I'm just interested type, and then hope that the replies 
 turn up some information that you can make use of in your obsessive quest to 
 present TM, MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote:
 
  I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone 
  practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. 
  Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone 
  having a Bible study group would be a problem. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
   posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going 
   to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about 
   having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a 
   student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well.
   
   
   
   
   
From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
   
   
     
   I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
   sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible 
   group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why 
   doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  
The series is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in 
history.  So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.





 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM


  
A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for 
over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and 
begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the 
administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very 
important to him.
   
  
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Take two:Everything below is my POV

[feste37]

It was Alex not me who made most of those specific points. I'm not sure what 
building you are referring to that the DAC wanted to erect in its place, since 
no building has replaced it. It didn't really make economic sense for the 
university to keep pouring money into a shifting, sinking building that was not 
essential for the running of the university. Sometimes old buildings have to be 
demolished. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@... wrote:

 @ feste37: Sorry, but this is what people have been complaining about. 
 Those in the TMO believe everything they are told. To completely re-roof a 
 building the size of the chapel, especially at the time it was supposed to 
 have been re-roofed, would not have cost $100,000. Foundation repairs might 
 have cost $100,000, but most of the time foundation repairs cost much less 
 than that. And, so much upkeep? On a lime stone building? We all know the 
 chapel was sacrificed for a new building the DAC wanted there much more than 
 they wanted the chapel. Also, about the Catholic Church tear down, even 
 though I am a Protestant; I attended the Catholic Church in Fairfield one 
 Sunday back in the 1980s. The congregation had completely outgrown their 
 facility. It also never had the charm and beauty of the campus chapel. In 
 Capital Speak, calling people names because they tell the truth is 
 Undignified.
  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ 
  
  wrote:
  (snip)
   One of the biggest problems of discussing Maharishi's teaching
   with Judy is that she lacks the full context of it because she
   was not trained in it.  She did not sit through the 696 hours
   of instruction including a month devoted to Vedic Studies that
   puts Maharishi's teaching into the context of his religious
   traditions.  But she doesn't know what she doesn't know, so
   she launches into attacks with a skewed perspective that is
   very difficult to sort out when combined with her pugnaciousness.
  
  This is yet another misrepresentation of our discussion by Curtis.
  My only claim has to do with what the rank-and-file is taught.
  That does *not* require sitting through the 696 hours of
  instruction, nor is it a skewed perspective. I've never disputed
  that what is taught to the rank-and-file is not the full context
  of Maharishi's teaching.
  
  (snip)
  (to Ann:)
   I get that you are big fan of Judy, not a fan of Barry, and seem to
   go back and forth with me.  But please stick to what is actually
   being claimed.
  
  IOW, to what *Curtis* is claiming, including his misrepresentations
  of what *I* have claimed.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Michael Jackson]

I don't understand what you mean by that





 From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or
 other Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has
 been popular with meditators for more than 20 years, and there is
 no issue about it. 
 

This is true. The TMO only has a bug up its  @#!*%  with respect to 
religious/spiritual activities of non-TMO, Indian/Vedic/Hindu origins.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
   anartaxius@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:

 So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to 
 go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you 
 wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with 
 Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of 
 discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your 
 comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of 
 His precious time. And please try to remember...

  
I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter 
access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula 
Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe 
Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might 
deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my 
unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention 
He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High 
Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic 
worshipers of His Greatness.

Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His 
Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate 
their Divine and most Humble power.
   
  
   Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a 
   rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a 
   flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for 
   Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too 
   tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His 
   Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The 
   latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops 
   suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno 
   warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively 
   safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing 
   along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft 
   cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an 
   occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a 
   moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig 
   snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR 
   awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... 
   as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality.
   
   Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of 
   the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in 
   the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and 
   are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my 
   two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a 
   groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered 
   far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a 
   few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His 
   Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers 
   Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here 
   now...
   
   Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their 
   glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.
   
   Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he 
   has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step 
   right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I 
   mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, 
   thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire 
   quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers?
   
   After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom 
   can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in 
   her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches 
   and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?
   
   The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play 
   softly in the background.
   
   [to be continued...]
  
  
  Scene fades in as the final strains of the gospel Just As I Am fade out 
  softly in the background.
  
  Laughing Jelly Bean, formerly known as LPHHR, with a blissful smile on his 
  pudgy yet somewhat handsome face, slips a slightly fatter wallet into 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[feste37]

LOL!! Let readers judge who is the fixated one. And please drop the 
psychobabble. It makes you look foolish. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 You are a fixated idiot - I am waiting to see what everybody says before I 
 pass it on to Bill - or more politely put the things you despise so greatly 
 in my behavior are the things you most despise in yourself
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:55 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
  
 
   
 But it was you who saw an opportunity in it. And when it yielded nothing, you 
 just went off on yet another highly predictable anti-TM rant. 
 
 I rest my case. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  You are not correct my friends name is William Kossler, public school 
  teacher and classical guitarist - he is the one who posed the question to 
  me - he lives in North Carolina
  
  
  
  
  
   From: feste37 feste37@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:37 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
  
  
    
  Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or other 
  Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here has been popular 
  with meditators for more than 20 years, and there is no issue about it. 
  
  I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise. Adopt a faux 
  innocence, of the I'm just interested type, and then hope that the 
  replies turn up some information that you can make use of in your obsessive 
  quest to present TM, MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote:
  
   I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with 
   anyone practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on 
   campus. Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine 
   anyone having a Bible study group would be a problem. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was 
posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of 
going to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would 
feel about having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would 
they deal with a student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their 
Christian faith as well.





 From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM


  
I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He 
sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student 
bible group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit 
creepy. Why doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, 
instead?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome 
 announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM 
 campus.ÃÆ'‚  The series isÃÆ'‚  about 
 Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.ÃÆ'‚  
 So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
 To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM
 
 
 ÃÆ'‚  
 A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM 
 for over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at 
 MUM and begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the 
 administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very 
 important to him.

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.

[Ravi Chivukula]

OMG you guys are cracking me up :-), thank you LG - I didn't know you had
such talents, pure Bhakti rasa I say. I'm too distracted having been
targeted by Kamadeva's arrow.

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 **




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
 anartaxius@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have
 to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish
 to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
 time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He
 chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
 place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please
 try to remember...
 
  
 I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket
 counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi
 Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His
 Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might
 deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy
 direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel
 it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to
 us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.

 Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His
 Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their
 Divine and most Humble power.

  
Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck
 with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with
 a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for
 Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too
 tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His
 Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The
 latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly
 then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily
 approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe
 distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along
 the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing
 sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional
 glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice
 should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under
 seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start
 muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an
 erotic dream and waking reality.
   
Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner
 of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in
 the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and
 are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two
 seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a
 groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far
 and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few
 crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most
 High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share
 and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now...
   
Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on
 their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes.
   
Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing
 that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes
 indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of
 transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool,
 clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire
 quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers?
   
After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from
 whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in
 her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and
 says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR?
   
The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace
 play softly in the background.
   
[to be continued...]
   
  
   Scene fades in as the final strains of the gospel Just As I Am fade
 out softly in the background.
  
   Laughing Jelly Bean, formerly 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@... wrote:

 Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old Gothic 
 Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster referred, 
 was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn down says it 
 all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible study group 
 would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? To my 
 knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, are 
 anti-organized religion. 

You know, when I read that the beautiful chapel had been razed to the ground I 
was astounded. The fact that it was not only handsome but historical should 
have meant it was protected by some sort of heritage bylaws. And you may well 
be right about your theory as to this demolition being an indicator of how much 
value MUM puts on other religions. However, it is for sure an indication of a 
lack of aesthetic sensibility on their part which is a kind of sin in my 
opinion.

MIU's campus had so many beautiful heritage buildings on site when I was there 
including the oldest library west of the Mississippi. And yet, I think they 
probably tore them all down to build these ersatz Golden Age Atrocities 
resembling a cross between ancient Greek, Roman and some strange 
Colonial-inspired East Indian architecture. Talk about carbuncles erected amid 
the Iowa cornfields. So much for integrating seamlessly into the native 
landscape. Sort of like erecting a Disneyland in Europe - I mean if that isn't 
enough to make your head spin.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no
   one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.
   
   Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
   because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
   say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
   approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized
   diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.
  
  Ravi,
  
  I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to 
  communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My 
  purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be ludicrous 
  for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my frustrations 
  here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you need asinine 
  platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you.
  
  'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
  'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'
  
  What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very 
  important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear properly 
  organised according to dharmic principles.
  
  And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the 
  edge of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to tip 
  off of it. You are a person of dynamic contrasts.
   
   On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
   anartaxius@ wrote:
   
**
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
wrote:

 So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go
through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to
respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due
time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If 
He
chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And 
please
try to remember...

I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter
access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail
Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to
drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy 
direction.
Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it 
barely
tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us 
most
thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness.
   
Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His 
Chapatis,
that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine 
and
most Humble power.
   
 
   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:
 
  Correct. MUM has never interfered with people's churchgoing or
  other Christian activities. The Liberal Catholic church here
  has been popular with meditators for more than 20 years, and
  there is no issue about it.
 
  I think MJ's question is of the sort perfected by Turquoise.
  Adopt a faux innocence, of the I'm just interested type,
  and then hope that the replies turn up some information that
  you can make use of in your obsessive quest to present TM,
  MUM, and MMY in the worst possible light.

 Important to note the difference, though: Barry's faux
 innocence in posing questions is designed to give him
 the opportunity to bash people on this forum whose ideas
 he doesn't like. That doesn't seem to be the case with
 Michael.


Yep - agreed, that's a critical distinction. MJ may be stuck in an anit-TM
rut and unable to distinguish the motivations of posters like Barry but he
seems to be a nice guy.


 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote:
  
   I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with
 anyone practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on
 campus. Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine
 anyone having a Bible study group would be a problem.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
 wrote:
   
Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he
 was posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of
 going to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel
 about having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal
 with a student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as
 well.
   
From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
   
I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too.
 He sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student
 bible group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy.
 Why doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead?
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
 wrote:

 Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome
 announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.  The series
 is  about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.  So Bible
 study in the sense of the New Testament.

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
 To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM

 A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done
 TM for over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM
 and begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the
 administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important to
 him.

  

[FairfieldLife] The old MIU/Parsons College

[Ann]

  [Henn Mansion]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment

[sound of stillness]

Namaste — the Divine in me Honors the Divine in you

When we lose connection with our Self we lose the 
felt sense of everyOne else. 

Then spontaneous right action begins to unravel. 

That's why All wisdom traditions suggest First 
connecting with the Self.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 light and dark the yonder shores of each other, 
 somewhere in the middle they meet, 
 lost and found in the beauty of the other
 
 
 
 
 
  From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:35 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
  
 
   
 morning light
 abiding in the beauty
 of yonder shore
 
 Enlightenment. Is it . . .
 
 Being in harmony with our own state of evolution. 
 
 Each state of consciousness with its own reality, each inseparable yet 
 distinct from one another. As night is from day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[feste37]

Read the thread, Ann. Otherwise you look ignorant. The library you are 
referring to is not the MUM library but the former public library in town, 
which still stands but is no longer used as a library. And have you ever seen 
any of these buildings that you denigrate? The new student union building it 
beautiful. I doubt whether there is a better student union building for a 
college this size anywhere in the Midwest, or maybe even further. The Learning 
Center that was pulled down to make room for it was an eyesore. And the 
university has preserved and restored Henn Mansion, which is on the Iowa 
Register of Historic Places (or some similar name). Please get your facts right 
before you start insulting us. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@ wrote:
 
  Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old 
  Gothic Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster 
  referred, was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn 
  down says it all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible 
  study group would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? 
  To my knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, 
  are anti-organized religion. 
 
 You know, when I read that the beautiful chapel had been razed to the ground 
 I was astounded. The fact that it was not only handsome but historical should 
 have meant it was protected by some sort of heritage bylaws. And you may well 
 be right about your theory as to this demolition being an indicator of how 
 much value MUM puts on other religions. However, it is for sure an indication 
 of a lack of aesthetic sensibility on their part which is a kind of sin in my 
 opinion.
 
 MIU's campus had so many beautiful heritage buildings on site when I was 
 there including the oldest library west of the Mississippi. And yet, I think 
 they probably tore them all down to build these ersatz Golden Age Atrocities 
 resembling a cross between ancient Greek, Roman and some strange 
 Colonial-inspired East Indian architecture. Talk about carbuncles erected 
 amid the Iowa cornfields. So much for integrating seamlessly into the native 
 landscape. Sort of like erecting a Disneyland in Europe - I mean if that 
 isn't enough to make your head spin.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
   wrote:
   
Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - 
no
one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.

Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can
say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally 
fantasized
diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.
   
   Ravi,
   
   I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to 
   communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My 
   purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be 
   ludicrous for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my 
   frustrations here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you need 
   asinine platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you.
   
   'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
   'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'
   
   What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very 
   important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear 
   properly organised according to dharmic principles.
   
   And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the 
   edge of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to 
   tip off of it. You are a person of dynamic contrasts.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@ wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to 
  go
 through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish 
 to
 respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in 
 due
 time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. 
 If He
 chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first
 place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And 
 please
 try to remember...
 
 I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket 
 counter
 access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula
 Guruji 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Read the thread, Ann. Otherwise you look ignorant. The library you
 are referring to is not the MUM library but the former public library
 in town, which still stands but is no longer used as a library. 


The old FF public library was the first Carnegie library west of the 
Mississippi. The old library on campus was also a Carnegie library, and it was 
torn down. FF was unusual (perhaps even unique) in having two Carnegie 
libraries.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Quite a few Irish horsemen believe in giving their horses a Guinness a
day. They believe it puts an excellent shine on the coat.
 

Do you think it could also have the effect of putting some starch in the
mount?

[FairfieldLife] What has Replaced It

[Ann]

Here is a building disguised as a space ship or perhaps it is a large,
perfectly formed breast. Maybe in hard times it will house soybeans or
corn. I am not sure if the surrounding fence is to keep people in or
people out.


This building is not sure if it wants to represent some sort of Colonial
facade or a pagoda. What the hell, it can be both!


A tree-lined drive leading to the Fairfield Correctional Facility  - no
wait! This is the Ayurvedic Center.


Are we in Greece? Are we in India? Did three architects combine plans
for this one? And the white picket fence just takes me back to small
town America. No wait! I think we're in Vegas, where you can look out
from on top of the Eiffel Tower across the street to Bellagio Italy and
see the Chrysler Building kitty corner to that!



Now if this doesn't get your aesthetic sensibilities salivating I don't
know what will. I mean, these could double as Hampton Inns.  The only
thing missing is the No Vacancy sign and the semis in the parking lot.


I had a good time, I hope you all did too!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[seventhray27]

Rightly, or wrongly, (I haven't researched it), I picked up along the
way that St. Patrick, driving out all the snakes of Ireland referred
to an ethnic cleansing of sorts of the celts, or those who had pagan
traditions..  And of course I'm sure it would have involved torture and
killing and the like.  For that reason, I never could really quite get
into the holiday.

Exception made for the bag pipers!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 03/17/2013 02:17 PM, John wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
wrote:
  I even found green food coloring for my beer!
 
  Erin go Bragh
 
  Éirinn go Brách
 
  Ireland Forever
 
  Yes, the restaurant that I visited for lunch today was celebrating
St. Patrick's Day. But no, it was a Mexican restaurant at the Mission
District in SF. FWIW, I had a machaca dish with horchata for my drink.
So, there you have it.

 This is my niece's birthday. So I sent her a green card, literally it
 was printed on green cardstock. She's lives in Arizona so it was a bit
 of an inside joke.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Read the thread, Ann. Otherwise you look ignorant. The library you are 
 referring to is not the MUM library but the former public library in town, 
 which still stands but is no longer used as a library. And have you ever seen 
 any of these buildings that you denigrate? The new student union building it 
 beautiful. I doubt whether there is a better student union building for a 
 college this size anywhere in the Midwest, or maybe even further. The 
 Learning Center that was pulled down to make room for it was an eyesore. And 
 the university has preserved and restored Henn Mansion, which is on the Iowa 
 Register of Historic Places (or some similar name). Please get your facts 
 right before you start insulting us. 

Oh silly Feste. Did you pull down those old buildings? If not, how could I be 
insulting you? You do take everything that has to do with FF and MUM all very 
personally. You don't need to distress yourself like this. Step away, stay cool.

Remember, I lived on campus for 5 years. Granted it was 35 years ago but don't 
get smart with me. There was this beautiful Carnegie building on campus which 
was condemned at the time and it was the oldest something or other west of the 
Mississippi - perhaps a gymnasium actually. BUT THE POINT IS THAT MANY 
WONDERFUL OLD BUILDINGS WERE DEMOLISHED AND REPLACED WITH SOME PRETTY HORRIBLE 
LOOKING STRUCTURES. You are welcome to love them all you want. But I think they 
do nothing to enhance the environment nor do they integrate into anything that 
resembles native Iowa. 

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@ wrote:
  
   Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old 
   Gothic Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster 
   referred, was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn 
   down says it all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible 
   study group would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? 
   To my knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, 
   are anti-organized religion. 
  
  You know, when I read that the beautiful chapel had been razed to the 
  ground I was astounded. The fact that it was not only handsome but 
  historical should have meant it was protected by some sort of heritage 
  bylaws. And you may well be right about your theory as to this demolition 
  being an indicator of how much value MUM puts on other religions. However, 
  it is for sure an indication of a lack of aesthetic sensibility on their 
  part which is a kind of sin in my opinion.
  
  MIU's campus had so many beautiful heritage buildings on site when I was 
  there including the oldest library west of the Mississippi. And yet, I 
  think they probably tore them all down to build these ersatz Golden Age 
  Atrocities resembling a cross between ancient Greek, Roman and some strange 
  Colonial-inspired East Indian architecture. Talk about carbuncles erected 
  amid the Iowa cornfields. So much for integrating seamlessly into the 
  native landscape. Sort of like erecting a Disneyland in Europe - I mean if 
  that isn't enough to make your head spin.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
   anartaxius@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
wrote:

 Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno 
 - no
 one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee.
 
 Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs
 because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone 
 can
 say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's
 approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally 
 fantasized
 diatribe but it's cute and hilarious.

Ravi,

I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to 
communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My 
purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be 
ludicrous for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my 
frustrations here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you 
need asinine platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you.

'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.'
'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.'

What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is 
very important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear 
properly organised according to dharmic principles.

And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering  on the 
edge of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about