whynotnow7:
Barry: Own your own stuff and I won't gently toss
it back in your lap. You reacted to this fellow on
everyone's behalf here, by calling him an asshole.
That is inappropriate, imo. If you want to be a
jerk, be a jerk on your own, but stop implying any
of us think similarly.
Let us talk about the first premise. Don't you
agree that you were born through your mother who
conceived you with your father? As such, you as
a physical being had a CAUSE. Correct? If yes,
then you would agree with the first premise.
curtisdeltablues:
Fallacy of inductive
Bhairitu:
What I'm seeing on FFL is the same stupid group
think behavior I saw in my local community the
weekend after 9-11. Ya all got your 'merican
flags and wavin' them? I remember they were
selling American flags right outside the Safeway
and teenage boys struttin' around like
Vaj:
What I'm saying is that while there exists
extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states
of consciousness in the scientific record (of
various yogis, etc.), currently no such
extraordinary record exists for any TMers...
Can you cite a double-blind, peer-reviewed,
scientific
So, you're thinking that 9/11 was an inside job,
and Obama was born in Kenya, and that Osama bin
Laden is still alive, but we are in the FFL
'stupid group' because we accept evidence from
President Obama and Secretary Clinton that bin
Laden is dead?
Bhairitu:
I never said Obama
Vaj:
What I'm saying is that while there exists
extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states
of consciousness in the scientific record (of
various yogis, etc.), currently no such
extraordinary record exists for any TMers...
Can you cite a double-blind, peer-reviewed,
Bhairitu:
Unlike the weekend after 9-11 I barely heard *any*
locals talking about the Bin Laden thing yesterday
or today. We remain skeptical around here and this
is a liberal community...
Get a grip - your town probably has less than 2,000
liberal hippie residents in it. What would
I never said Obama was born in Kenya...
Where I come from, silence usually indicates
agreement...
Bhairitu:
Where you come from would not be missed if it
disappeared tomorrow.
Don't you just hate those Latinos. You probably
support the Caste System in India, right?
So, it is
It seems that both camps actively work at denying each
the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is
going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation
market.
turquoiseb:
I can honestly state that I have never encountered
an organization that claims that its technique
Osama Bin Laden is dead prove it
Vaj:
Where's his death certificate!? I bet
he doesn't have one!
How much would you be willing to wager?
I have to admit that there's a hint of tinfoil hat
inside me that looks at how quickly the body was
dumped out at sea and wonders if they did, in fact,
kill OBL.
turquoiseb:
Some articles have pointed out a couple of valid
reasons for the burial at sea...
Are there any seas up
Bhairitu:
Supposedly Bin Laden has been dead since 2002
but the military didn't have any body. Maybe
they were growing one in a lab somewhere...
So, you're still clinging to the birther and
truther conspiracy theories. LoL!
Maybe Obama was born out of wedlock and maybe his
father was
If so, then it would be simple for a small group
of conspirators to grow a bin Laden body in a
lab.
Maybe monkeys can fly out of your butt.
Bhairitu:
So you're a useful idiot?
So, you're thinking the U.S. military grew a bin Laden
body inside a secret lab, because they
It was like they were trying to program the
minds of the public or had some kind of
subject stuttering disorder...
authfriend:
But isn't it amazing how *all* the TV stations
and *all* the newspapers and *all* the online
news sites are saying the same things? The
government has
turquoiseb:
And even though he was a near-psychotic religious
fanatic madman, it's worth remembering that the
person who made the US economy what it is today
was just killed...
Translation: Barry is really scared his income might
run out and he might have to get a job to pay his
share of
turquoiseb:
I simply can't wait for the first TB
TMer here to repeat the bullshit
that the TMO never claimed that people
would be able to fly after taking
the TM-Siddhis course...
The only people to make any claims on FFL
about flying was Barry Wright, who claimed
he once saw Rama
Vaj:
Actually...GOD just smoteth a huge swath of the
Bible Belt. It was actually a quantum fluctuation
from Christian fundie stress being released...
Some people will turn any tragedy, even the weather,
into a political talking point, I guess. Go figure.
Actually...GOD just smoteth a huge swath of the Bible Belt.
It was actually a quantum fluctuation from Christian fundie
stress being released...
do.rflex:
Birther confronts Obama...
Don't you just love the Obama apologists going absolutely
POSTAL screaming how much they don't care
So, do you have any new points to post? If so, you
forgot to post them. How many times have we read
this from you - twenty times this year? Why not
post something new for a change? Fer chrissakes, get
off this 'blisninny' rap! You are boring, Turq.
turquoiseb:
I've gotten used to the
curtisdeltablues:
In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall
into the trollish category.
Yep!
I just think he was full of it and that his premises
about reality are bogus. - Curtis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274662
do.rflex:
No, Obama's grandmother didn't say he was born in Kenya
So, when did Obama get the name 'Hussien' as a middle name,
at birth, or from a relative in Hawaii? LoL!
Don't got postal, John, just answer the question.
This has little to do with where President Obama
was born...And much to do with unadulterated racism...
Plain and simple.
Rick Archer:
It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President,
So, for you it is a race question, not a birth question?
The birth certificate says Obama
Curtis:
That phrase refers to my opinion of Shankara.
But, the thread was about Patanjali.
You said Patanjali was 'full of it' and his premises are
'bogus'. Why would you be telling Buck that Patanjali
was bogus if you wanted to dialog with Buck about Yoga? It
doesn't make any sense.
do.rflex:
Birthers *still* don't believe Obama
Are there any 'birthers' on this forum? Don't
go postal, John, it's over. Stop trying to
sidetrack everyone with your nonsense-prattle
and silly political cartoons. Face it: your
political leaders are stupid, really stupid
people. Obama could
this birther
thing was much ado about nothing, but after seeing
this document I now have many suspicions about
Obama's birth...
http://tinyurl.com/3kz7clp
Interesting that what Willytex quotes
isn't from either of the Web pages he
gives URLs for...
The quotes are from:
'You've GOT
Interesting that what Willytex quotes isn't from
either of the Web pages he gives URLs for.
Joe:
Judy, you have to understand that what WillyTex sees
when looking at the birth certificate is different
from what you and I see:
You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post
Bhairitu:
The Democrats are finally getting that mocking
the GOP is the way to go!
So, why is your president conducting a war in three
countries, if it's not to get more oil for you to
use in your car? Why not just stop using foreign
oil and drill and refine your own oil in California?
Vaj:
Who wants to guess what the replacing conspiracy
theory will be?
That this document has been cropped and altered by
an idiot who thought he knew how to scan a
birth certificate using Adobe Acrobat?
At the least this was a scanned document produced
by a moron who thought he knew
Bhairitu:
Sometime I think Florida needs to be broken
off and shipped along with Texas to Antarctica.
Don't you just hate those Hispanics!
The House budget blueprint for the next fiscal
year would keep the current Medicare program in
place for people now 55 and older.
But those younger
authfriend:
Interesting that what Willytex quotes
isn't from either of the Web pages he
gives URLs for...
The quotes are from:
'You've GOT To Be Kidding Me!'
http://market-ticker.org/post=185094
and
'The Corner'
http://tinyurl.com/3kz7clp
That this document has been cropped
Joe:
I imagine his kumkum covered lingam
was one of the first to go...
You seem to have a special interest in
other people's sex life, or lack thereof.
PRURIENT INTEREST:
A morbid, degrading and unhealthy interest
in sex, as distinguished from a mere candid
interest in sex.
turquoiseb:
I think the world would be a much better place
if we got rid of all this seriousness crap
that has built up around religion or one's choice
of a spiritual path...
Nihilism:
1. The rejection of all religious and moral principles,
often in the belief that life is meaningless.
turquoiseb:
And as for the second point, I hold that
everything in the world is very much real...
Materialism is a theory that physical matter
is the only or fundamental reality...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
Nihilism:
1. The rejection of all religious and moral
You probably are too young to remember when his
followers poisoned the people in a town in Oregon
using salmonella.
Ravi Yogi:
So how does that matter?
Others have pointed to the fact that although Sheela
had bugged Osho's living quarters and made her tapes
available to the U.S.
turquoiseb:
It was (and is) a few individuals who have opinions,
and state them publicly...
A lawsuit was created in the Superior Court of California
on January 6, 2005 (Case No. 05cc01931). But realizing that
the exposure was high Rahm eventually refused to go to court.
No other alleged
Bhairitu:
What really annoys me about these groups is
some twenty something telling me what I'm
supposed to do.
Probably what really annoys you is not having
very many friends to share your story with,
whether on Facebook, Twitter, or anywhere else.
Rick Archer:
This Modern World - Conservabot Returns
So, you want to bring down the federal budget
deficit, brought on by federal government
overspending on entitlements and public
pensions, by either minimizing the pain or
making the rich pay? Go figure.
Sal Sunshine:
What you're supposed to do is ignore them. :)
So, this is how you ignore them. :)
As I've been doing. FB I enjoy, Linkedin i have
no interest in. And even FB gets monotonous.
There's really no substitute for good old-fashioned
face-to-face.
We cannot see your face on
Bhairitu:
It's funny though interacting with 20-somethings...
Apparently nearly 50% of Facebook users are over age 30.
Tom Pall:
Also, why did he have to utter my mantra.
Satnam?
Not just once but several times.
Now it's lost all of it's power!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satnam
Tom Pall:
Would someone kindly state the high concepts
of Waking Down for me?
Everyone knows that 'Waking Down' is derived
from the same source as the 'neo-Advaitins'.
Notions of being 'all of who we are', 'unity',
'awakening', to the 'fullness of your own
nature', being 'united' in
When your guru starts putting out cigarettes
on women's bodies as a teaching lesson...
turquoiseb:
In my experience, it is not unusual for
students of a controversial teacher to
outshine their teacher when they start
teaching themselves, and to carry with
them none of the
cardemaister:
Why do Vedantic techniques suck?
Which ones - all the Upanishad teachers
were transcendentalist that followed
Vedanta.
The main difference between the Vedantists
is that some believe that Chaitanya (circa
1500 AD), was an Avatar - Madhva, Nombarka,
and Vallbha do not agree
Like I say, I've only seen a handful of videos
and a few of the writings, but I like what I saw.
Vaj:
Osho, aka Rajneesh, was a Nitrous Oxide addict who
also had a love of marijuana milkshakes and Valium.
Some of his books are said to have been dictated
while under Nitrous from a
That they thus managed to dupe perhaps million of
other lost fools like yourself to believe in these
rumors is in no way a surprise...
turquoiseb:
Here's another simple, easily-answered question for
you, Nabby.
Has there *ever* been a spiritual teacher who you
once thought was
THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)
In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007,
this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes.
During
that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of
them on their
Neutrality, percipience, and non-agency
Most of everything we know is we know
through our eyes, ears, and sometimes with
our nose. That is, we observe things and
events, we see doors, tables, and chairs.
But, are there other kinds of valid knowledge?
We can also run and jump, think, and talk to
Ravi Yogi:
Anyway I think Bhoga Saadhana could
indeed mean contemplating on worldly
pleasures or indulgences...
Samsara is described as mundane existence,
full of suffering and misery and hence is
considered undesirable and worth renunciation.
The Samsara is without any beginning and
turquoiseb:
Catholics have always struck me as wusses
with all of their fake body of Christ,
blood of Christ stuff. Why not go for the
real thing?
Don't you just hate those Catholics!
turquoiseb:
For those anxious to put this theory
to the test, wouldn't Sai Baba be a
good test case...?
Well, probably none of us know Sai Baba any
more than we know you, except maybe Conny
Larssen, so why not you be the test case,
since this is your idea?
You're wise enough to have
You're still subscribing and reading Rolling
Stone? Go figure.
Vaj:
Don't worry, I suspect no one from Rolling Stone
will be coming down to Austin to hold a gun to
your head and make you read some good journalism.
Yeah, some good journalism - that's what we need!
Barack Obama
CC is not a static state but is a signpost on the
road to development of freedom...
Bhairitu:
One is just moving towards Brahman anyway so these
are just the scenery along the way...
Actually, people are not moving anywhere. Brahman is
an already existent; not an object of cognition,
emptybill:
Zeno Nagarjuna reveals the dirty little secret.
Like Bradley, Nagarjuna would dialectically analyze
every concept and show that it is neither existent,
nor non-existent, nor both, nor neither.
Yer jus' a figment of my imagination ...
Actually, it is not correct, in the case
wleed3:
WHAT DOES DONALD TRUMP KNOW ABOUT OBAMA?
Jerome Corsi's Where's the Birth Certificate
continued questions will either be answered or
remain inconclusive. However, no matter what
the media says about the issue, people are
curious as Corsi's book hit the Amazon charts
hard and fast
turquoiseb:
...why some people are so attached to this all
experience is pain thang. They've never had
Unity experiences.
What they consider the highest experiences
they've ever had involve either transcendence or
Maharishi's CC. In other words, experiences that
are totally based on
You are either free or you are bound. If free,
then you have no need for a yoga; if bound, by
what means can you free yourself?
So you are back from hunting prairie-dogs in
Wyoming but still feel the torment of unnatural
urges.
You are not making any sense - are
Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba
was a pedophile fraud...
nablusoss1008:
Is that so? Where is that abundant evidence?
There is no evidence and there are no charges in
Indian courts against Sai Baba. And, since Baba
is probably dead, there's no chance for a
turquoiseb:
Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs
that they cannot help but react to anyone who
believes something different by trying to get
them...
So, you believe this to be true and it's getting
to you, so you want to get them before they get to
you? You just gave a pile on
of a yogin,
that is, a man who has already chosen Yoga.
Read more:
Subject: Ishvara: God of Yogins
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: July 31, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/6y47q9t
: Vidya
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Aug 29 2002 12:31 am
http://tinyurl.com/62v2b5p
authfriend:
Life is so much simpler when we have Barry to tell
us what to think...
Turq got mixed up again - nihilism means that life is
without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
Turq seems to be the nihilist when he asserts that
morality, norms, rules, or laws do not
turquoiseb:
See what happens when you stop considering
these guys holy or wise?
It has nothing to do with being holy or wise.
The point is, if your life is satisfactory
and without any suffering or pain, then why
would you be practicing a yoga to gain release?
You are either free or you
turquoiseb:
Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
all about Buddhism, I'm going to bring it back to its
original subject, Patanjali...
Samadhi, dukkha, suffering, nirodha (cessation) are crucial
terms in Buddhist vocabulary. The doctrine of suffering is
the core of what
curtisdeltablues:
I just think he was full of it and that
his premises about reality are bogus...
But, for some reason you practiced yoga for
fourteen years and majored in philosophy at
MUM? It just doesn't make any sense!
Samkhya is the philosophical foundation of
all Indian culture,
You are either free or you are bound. If free,
then you have no need for a yoga; if bound, by
what means can you free yourself?
azgrey:
So you are back from hunting prairie-dogs in
Wyoming but still feel the torment of unnatural
urges.
You are not making any sense - are you free or
You seem bound to post off-topic photos, so I guess
to that extend you are not free. Or, you feel free
to take up internet band-space for no good reason.
Yifu:
fish market, 1935
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/32470.jpg
I just think he was full of it and that
his premises
curtisdeltablues:
You may be overstating that since Samkhya
came a lot later than many of the
principles in Hinduism...
Samkhya came long before 'Hinduism'; before
the historical Buddha (563BCE), and before
Buddhism. That's why historians think the
Buddha may have been influenced by
However, the wise (though their own mind is totally free
of all sorrow) consider all experiences painful as they are
all the fruits of the actions of ignorance (Y.S. II.15).
turquoiseb:
What kind of life-hater aspires to consider
all experiences painful?
Buddhists and Hindus?
It
What kind of life-hater aspires to consider all
experiences painful?
authfriend:
And there we have it, the definitive refutation of
the Yoga Sutras: Because one verse sounds to Barry
as if it implies hatred of the world, therefore the
entire work is worthless to him...
Of course,
A certain someone will try -- as she does every
week -- to diss several people she never gets
tired of dissing...
Bhairitu:
I suspect that certain someone goes through life
picking fights anyway. Most likely on other places
than just FFL...
This is your 'dissing'? Very
:
'The Radhasoami Tradition'
A critical history of guru successorship
By David Christopher Lane
Subject: Its Not What You Think!
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental,
alt.yoga, alt.meditation
Date: August 26, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/283gfbw
However, the wise (though their own mind is totally free of all sorrow)
consider all experiences painful as they are all the fruits of the
actions
of ignorance (Y.S. II.15).
'Enlightened Living'
by Swami Venkatesananda
http://tinyurl.com/33wy6kj http://tinyurl.com/33wy6kj
But what if no one piled on...?
nablusoss1008:
Judy simply disintegrate your attempts with
her piercieng insights exposing your vain
plans for everyone to see...
So, it looks like, with Judy's help, we've corrected
all the misinformation spread around here by all
these discredited
Really there are not very many people in the
domes...
There are no longer any living masters in the TMO,
so there is no person one can go to within the TM
organization if one has questions about their prac-
tice or experiences that are not covered in the
basic guidelines taught to
So, I guess we can put this rumor to rest, since
there's not any new evidence being presented -
GD died of natural causes due to old age. He left
a will which was carried out by the Jyotirmath
Trust; there was no murder and the cook was not
even in the same town when GD passed away.
'The Cook
turquoiseb:
What I've been trying to suggest in this series of
posts, Buck, is that it's a sad situation which is
perpetuated by the people it's being done to remain-
ing silent and not blowing the whistle on this in
public...
Anyone can pretty much tell that
Turq has not attended very
Nothing here about any 'murder' of GD by MMY!
Vaj:
Did you actually read it? It was sealed before
the murder.
Stop making weird shut up Willy, you're starting
to sound like Judy now!
So, I guess if their was a 'murder', or even the
rumor of a murder, it would have been mentioned
Exactly the same way that the TM supporters try to
demonize anyone who criticizes TM and MMY, eh? :-)
Vaj:
They have to demonize, because the cannot do so through
honesty and forthrightness. Twisting the truth is their
modus operandi, all the while claiming to be honest or
Yifu:
In the Radhaswami Tradition, just discovered
him 5 min ago, haven't had time to investigate.
If like the rest, wants your devotion and money.
If you have any money you could donate - lots of
people donate to Amma and perform devotion to Amma
and her movement.
Best and worst
Nothing here about any 'murder' of GD by MMY!
Stop making weird shut up Willy, you're starting to
sound like Judy now!
authfriend:
Willytex is making nothing up; Vaj is. And I don't make
stuff up, ever. Vaj knows this.
Vaj made posted four lies in this message alone
So, you're fascinated by Judy's posts!
turquoiseb:
The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her
as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing,
compulsive attempt to get someone who just coincident-
ally happens to be a TM critic.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Well, I guess this puts to rest the Jyotirmath
succession controversy once and for all, as well
as Vaj and Professor Swayer's opinions about the
legal successor in the line of the Jyotirmath
Shankaracharya - what I have been saying for
close to ten years now.
Case seems to be closed,
Some readers will already be familiar
with my obsession with 'smooth' things,
i.e., cargo cults, some tantric cults
involving sexual thaumaturgy, deviant
cults, and cults with supposed access
to the Axis Mundi or Materia Mater, that
is, the abject physical objects which
man deems worthy of
Seems to be increasing lately, infiltrating
posts and then becoming the main point. I
spoke up, Joe, but I just can't make it stop.
turquoiseb:
The thing is you CAN'T make it stop. It is
Judy's entire life; she has nothing else.
We are talking about a person who, when AZ or
that Willytex!
Hey, Joe, you know my name is Richard, but
if it makes you feel better to call me 'tex',
go ahead - I don't mind. But why do you have
to base your comments on birth circumstances?
Your support of the the caste system is one
of the main reasons you sucked as a spiritual
teacher
Rick:
Sai Baba may croak
Joe:
Not for Willy, Curtis. Any post is cause
for Willy to trot out his tired routines.
It never seems to bother him that 99% of
the time he ends up pissing in the wind
with no takers on his trolling.
Thanks Joe, I knew I could count on you!
So, why
If this happens, a lot of people will be very
upset. This is another example of our politicians
at work in Washington DC.
authfriend:
Mostly the Republicans. After major concessions from
the Democrats, the GOP is now holding an agreement
hostage to their demand to defund Planned
cardemaister:
From Bhojadeva's comment on YS III 45:
Thence follow psychic powers like the ability to
reduce the body to the size of an atom, etc., and
perfection of body and its immunity from the
ravages of the elements of nature (Y.S. IV 45).
Enlightened Living (Yoga Sutra of Patanjali)
Vaj:
Siddhis are said to be as desirable to a knower of
the Self as milk-porridge in a dog's vomit...
...he miraculously created the palace of Lotus Light
endowed with inconceivable decorations and also emanated
a replica of himself on each of the surrounding eight
islands where they
Once Barry starts lying, he can't stop.
turquoiseb:
And Judy believes that after 17 years of obsessing
on the same stalkee she has any credibility. :-)
At this point she's now spent almost half of her
posts this week trying to get him. My bet is that
this ratio will hold for the rest
Robert:
Yeah, I met the Dalai Lama once 14
lifetimes ago, and once in this
lifetime, so?
So, you met the Dalai Lama BEFORE
there was even a Dalai Lama?
Yeah, well, that's what you said about
prairie dogs and look at the trouble they
got into around you...
There are no 'prairie dogs' in San Antonio
or Austin, you fu*in idiot.
azgrey:
You import them?
Oh dear lord!
this is even worse than I thought!!
You are a
I seriously think he should grow an afro, have his
skin darkened...
Have his skin darkened? This is another joke, right?
curtisdeltablues:
Got your Offend-O-Meter set a tad low don't ya Richard?
Not all people who grow 'Afros' have dark skin, Curtis.
Yifu:
http://www.armadillos.info/pic2.jpg
Another example of racial prejudice
against Hispanics that live in Texas?
Not all people who grow 'Afros' have dark skin,
Curtis.
curtisdeltablues:
Nice try. We were talking about Sai specifically.
Aren't there enough legitimate things to be outraged
about in this world that you don't have to contrive
a perspective?
When you snake oil salespeople start
curtisdeltablues:
I appreciate Steve having my back but I didn't
take Rick's post to have anything to do with
Sai's personal life, just his professional
charlatan life. I didn't think he was implying
more than that.
You mean that you don't think Rick was implying
that you were a
I guess what I am saying is that TM-haters as a term is
unnecessary drama as a term for people who don't think
about TM exactly as you do.
turquoiseb:
Let's say that again, a little louder this time, because
a lot of TM addicts on this forum are a little hard of
hearing:
Oh, so
Bhairitu:
As for anti-semitism that is a term that right
wing Israeli factions use to derail criticism
of their apartheid...
So, you're thinking that anti-semitism is a myth
and there was no holocaust - it was all made up
by right wing Israelis to derail criticism of the
Israeli state's
Yifu Xero:
Subject: Texas prairie dogs - unusually slender
So, you have a very strong prejudice against people
due to their birth circumstances. You sound like a
racist. And because I live in Texas you think I eat
prarie dogs; all Mexicans eat tacos; and all Chinese
eat dogs? Is that
Yifu:
For every skin color. What about aliens?
Why do you keep talking about skin color
and aliens when you don't even have an
immigration reform plan?
Maybe you should just keep your pie hole
shut about ethnicity. Are you from outer
space or what?
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