Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC

2014-11-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh, I've always though of myself as polyamorous at heart, but only with respect to MY behavior. All my wimin better be one-man-women, thanksverymuch! The fact though, is that if you genuinely love someone, you have to recognize that they may be hurt by YOUR behavior, and modify it

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. Samskaras are stress. The term doṣa literally means contamination but I don't think that Maharishi ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer to lust, etc.. L ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hmmm? Statistical analysis only works with big numbers. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. Which means its

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh... DC is about the smallest town where teh ME effect could be reliably demonstrated. And statistical fluctuations in one category of crime like murder could still be small number issues. Current Population Demographics and Statistics for Washington DC by age, gender and race.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hmmm... TM is sold in the USA as a stress-management practice, so people who are feeling stressed are likely more interested than not. But some pretty stable people can still feel stressed. I know of presidents of 3 different countries who are on record as practicing TM, for example.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I guess not, but I still didn't see dosha used, or is dosha referring to the 6 enemies? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Lawson, you don't know what you're talking about. Study up on the word Dosha from the Sanskrit dictionary. Thanks. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Indeed. But all experiences, for an unenlightened person, take one away from pure consciousness. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Samskaras are impressions. Without them you wouldn't know anything! :-D On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, LEnglish5@...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Pure consciousness becomes like any other object that you can put your attention on or is in the background like background music when you deal with the day to day. Hmmm... I don't think I've heard Maharishi explain it that way. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

2014-11-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I've heard something along those liens also, becuase, well, Maharishi couldn't possibly be getting old because he's 100.00...% enlightened, and enlightened people never grow old. As I said, lots of TMers, especially TM teachers, never really listened to MMY when he said thigns about how

[FairfieldLife] A Very Strange Christmas

2014-11-27 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
My son wrote this years ago. As the season is upon us, I thought I would share: http://www.gaiaonline.com/arena/event/holiday-poem-contest/vote/?entry_id=100769115 http://www.gaiaonline.com/arena/event/holiday-poem-contest/vote/?entry_id=100769115 Santa Claus, the jolly elf, Stood

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query

2014-11-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Lucid Dreaming and Witnessing Dreaming are generally considered to be two different things. Even people who have never practiced TM but are interested in Lucid Dreaming accept the distinction, or at least, the websites I have seen that discuss Lucid Dreaming have a separate section where

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Channelers...

2014-11-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
So... who, other than those who say they have received messages from Him are taking seriously those who say that they have received messages from Him? Channeling has never struck me as anything MMY ever spoke very highly of when he was alive, and those who claim that they are receiving

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November

2014-11-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November

2014-11-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
So where do the esoteric experiences you have described from meditation come from if not from the Absolute? To quote Maharishi defending his call to study meditation using scientific apparatus: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November

2014-11-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The gods are teh devas, which means shining ones. Using Maharishi's terminology, someone in God Consciousness notices that the wholeness of the functioning of the brain starts to reconfigure in a certain way to process incoming data, or express a specific aspect of being human. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Understanding Stress

2014-11-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for that link. I found the original article and passed it on to the TM researchers on my mailing list. They're always interested in new avenues to explore how TM practice might affect teh brain. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : At the Center for Brain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November

2014-12-01 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I love that story as it is so contradictory... I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud... In which spiritual tradition? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think

Re: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement

2014-12-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The thing is though, he DID have one guy he trusted to be his replacement. He had all the rajahs chant Sanskrit over and over and over and over... and over... and over... again in the weeks up until his death that reminded them that Tony abu Nader IS the new head of all aspects of the TM

[FairfieldLife] Puja Pictures™

2014-12-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, we all know what the original painting that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi commissioned to show his position within the Shankaran tradition looks like: http://www.meru.ch/uploads/images/Vedic+Tradition.jpg http://www.meru.ch/uploads/images/Vedic+Tradition.jpg

RE: [FairfieldLife] Puja Picture s™

2014-12-03 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Rick, in both cases, if you look, you'll see it's been moified. With Knole's version, Maharishi was simply deleted. With the other version, a rather huge picture (both absolute size and relative to perspective) of SSRS has been pasted over Maharishi's tiny figure. It's a rather

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

2014-12-05 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Freedom from harassment is the other side of freedom from being challenged... Neither is real-world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What with The Peak

[FairfieldLife] First Impressions: The Librarians

2014-12-07 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
It's just as silly as the movies were. So... If you thought the movies were a fun watch, I think the series will be too. Bob Newhart hasn't made his cameo yet. I doubt it will be more ninja-busting moves, but I'm sure they gave him something else suitably over-the-top to do for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Old TM Article

2014-12-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Where does Robert Schneider say that the US signs off on TM? I think they sign off on the reputation of the researchers and the research that they perform by giving them more research grant money, but that's not the same as saying that they endorse TM. L ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic mantras embedded in the Tanakh (Old Testament)?

2014-12-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
As I read it, one or another of the mantra traditions in India assign mantra-hood to any short set of Sanskrit syllables, so if there are equivalent Hebrew and Sanskrit sounds, then by definition, the equivalent collection of Hebrew syllables are mantras. There's a LOT of 1, 2, 3 and 4

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM raidcally reduces the risk of heart attack or stroke

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Maharishi's explanation for raising the price was to entice the wealthy to learn as the wealthy set teh trends and fashions of Society and the rich don't shop in poor stores. This strategy has actually worked out remarkably well, for many reasons, not the least of which is that there are now

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic mantras embedded in the Tanakh (Old Testament)?

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
For what it is worth, different traditions use different sets of sounds and claim them is the bestest. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : That's just the power of sound which musicians are particularly familiar with. Any sound will have an impact on

[FairfieldLife] World plan being fulfilled via multiple strategies...

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Remember Maharishis World Plan, where groups of TM-Sidhias would practice TM and the TM-Sidhis in groups and bring about world peace? Parts of that plan are being fulfilled in many different ways as we speak. You have the ongoing attempt to create teh 7,000 (now 9,000) group of Vedic

[FairfieldLife] Re: World plan being fulfilled via multiple strategies...

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
My bad, this video promotes TM directly, while the website video merely refers to meditation: Dhammajarinee Witthaya School, Thailand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UefI5aS0Oo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UefI5aS0Oo Dhammajarinee Witthaya School, Thailand

Re: [FairfieldLife] World plan being fulfilled via multiple strategies...

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hmmm? You're saying that the money being sent to the school in Thailand is being diverted to India or something? Does paypal know that their donation button is being diverted after the funds go into the school's Bhopal bank account, as specified on the website? L ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: World plan being fulfilled via multiple strategies...

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Excuse me, Bangkok: Acct. Name: Dhammajarinee Witthaya Foundation Bank: Bangkok Bank (Public), Samyeak Wangmanao Branch 567 Acct. #: 567-0-203636 Swift code: BKKBTHBK

[FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2014-12-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
My understanding is that both SOBAL and the Bhagavad Gita Commentary were MMY's recorded words, perhaps tidied up a bit for written form. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather

[FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years

2014-12-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM'ers Call it Witnessing

2014-12-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Nope. Not at all. Depersonalization is an entirely different situation that arises and has entirely different EEG patterns. And in fact, depersonalization often arises due to trauma in childhood. Even with PTSD that arises in adults, depersonalization is often/generally associated with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years

2014-12-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you a virgin?

2014-12-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Devoid of perception is how MMY describes it in one lecture available online. And thought as MMY described it, referred to any kind of mental activity that has a sensory referent, and which includes verbalizations, visualizations, and, awareness of anything external, including body sense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Merry Christmas, Dr. Oz!

2014-12-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The article below has a bit more detail and points up a problem with the statistics given: 'The study was not without its limitations, however. The researchers conceded it was difficult to parse “what was said and what was implied.” And some of the recommendations were extremely general —

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth like you've never heard him before

2014-12-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
In fact, the tail-end of that interview with Russell Brand, Bob Roth asks Russell to talk directly to children. The word fuck wasn't used, of course. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha ha ha ha! I can't imagine B Roth saying exactly that but if he did

[FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...

2014-12-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Probably none of you ever saw the original Avatar: Last Airbender, and even fewer watched the sequel, Avatar: the Legend of Korra, but you missed a truly remarkable US TV event: in the last scene of the series, Korra and her best friend Asami, who happens to be the former girlfriend of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...

2014-12-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, first off, the 2 avatar series are completely written and produced by Americans. They are animated in Korean animation houses, as much of Japanese (and American) animation is these days, but they're pure American in writing and acting and target audience. They're only anime in the sense

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...

2014-12-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
OK... But could ou give an example of animation style which is NOT comic booky and still tells a multi-season story? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I didn't mean to offend. I associate the phrase Japanese anime with a certain *style* of animation. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...

2014-12-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
OK, so only the most expensive animation meets your standards. Disney, one or two Miyazaki (Totoro likely not), and a few of the ultra-big-budget 3D movies. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Kung Fu Panda: Legends Of Awesomeness, for one. The animation

[FairfieldLife] Tenses in English vs....

2014-12-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Many people marvel at all the tenses there are in other languages, but in fact, medieval scholars revised English to ensure that every Latin tense could be translated properly to English. You may or may not use them in your daily language, but they're all there, by design: How to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tenses in English vs....

2014-12-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The tenses of French, being a romance language, came from the original Latin. Are there new French tenses not present in Latin (not knowing, just asking)? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tenses in English vs....

2014-12-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
In Japanese, there are only two tesnes: past and not-past. The complications in Japanese verb forms arise from the politeness forms. Technically, there are only 3, but there are so many other things that go into the mix that even asking for a favor is a sentence structure reserved

Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Blah, blah, blah. The fact remains that there exists a school where 9 shootings a month happen in the neighborhood, and a little girl has been known to run to school covered in fresh blood splattered on her when her uncle was shot, that has gone from being the worst school on virtually

[FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
But as you said, of course, transcendence has nothing to do with either having a thought, or having no thought. It is not a physiological signature, as some keep telling here, a physiological signature, can only relate to a particular experience, and any experience is by the mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

2014-12-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
He's implementing the advice on a personal level... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Rick's not even answering the private email I sent him about this, so good luck getting him to address this here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tenses in English vs....

2014-12-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I counted 25 in that list for latin, so it sounds like there are about the same (not surprising as Latin was the language of military planning and history) L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I really don't know, either. I never developed sufficient fluency in French

[FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Um, ok... The most detailed research on pure consciousness showed that the subject didn't press a button signalling that they had had a PC episode until *after* their physiology reverted to normal. They didn't notice PC. They noticed the transition *out of* PC. But whatever. L

[FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
But it is very different from the more fully aware state without any thought, except for the basic awareness of the state itself. Thought is so subtle, that you are aware of what is going on, but you cannot actively think. And it is more related to the chakras and kundalini. Just how are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Like as not, a lot of people ARE in CC (whether via the practice of TM, or just because) but don't see it as a big deal because, as MMY points out, it is merely normal. Of course, the sine qua non of CC is that one has PC even during deep sleep, so perhaps that is lacking in many people...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-27 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Whether or not I needed prozac is not the point. I was taking prozac. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re When I inadvertently went off Prozac abruptly a few years ago, and had 12 hours of non-stop, viciously and horrifically violent suicidal ideation . . .:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence

2014-12-28 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
That's obviously a possibility as well. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Like as not, a lot of people ARE in CC (whether via the practice of TM, or just because) but don't see it as a big

[FairfieldLife] Anime Review: psycho-pass

2014-12-29 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Psycho-Pass (サイコパス -phonetic spelling in Japanese) Is a Japanese animation done in the spirit of Ghost in the Shell and reminiscent of Minority Report. The action takes place in 2112 in a city that has adopted a law enforcement technology where every citizen is periodically evaluated for

Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1

2014-12-31 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
As far as I know, those figures are provided by the school district. They didn't interview any TM teachers, did you notice? They are in-line with the figures cited by then-principle James Dierke in his essay that is still up on the San Francisco Unified School District blog: SFUSD News

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are Buddhists Committing Genocide Again?

2015-01-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Typical mindfulness/concentrative practices are not claimed to make you moral or ethical. I always contrast such things with: Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique leader says http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/22/jamesastill

[FairfieldLife] Re: Science backfires for Fairfield :-)

2015-02-04 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Have you ever looked at mindfulness research? Most of it makes TM research look absolutely brilliant in its design and execution. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : While you can never fully trust science, you can pretty much distrust TMO promoted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)

2015-02-06 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines. Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda) to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common

Re: [FairfieldLife] The question every American Ex-Pat has to deal with

2015-01-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
bin Laden bragged on video about how his predictions about what would happen when the planes crashed into the Twin Towers on 9/11 turned out to be the most accurate. Claiming that Al Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11 is kinda strange. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The limits of science

2015-01-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You make a good point about how the TM movement does its thing, but even so, Practice of Yogic Flying and the other TM-Sidhis DO seem to have measurable physiological on the individual in the same direction as TM, and there's evidence that long-term practice of these techniques even changes the

Re: [FairfieldLife] The question every American Ex-Pat has to deal with

2015-01-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Gore was quite paranoid about Al Qaeda. Had he received a daily briefing about Osama bin Laden determined to attack the United States, his order of response would have easily ben an order of magnitude greater than Bush's. Remember: he headed an investigation of terrorism while Vice-President

[FairfieldLife] Holy Wars

2015-01-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
People like to criticize Maharishi for playing kiss-ass with horrible dictators, and yet... The intent was to make them want to bring TM into their country in a big way with the expectation that their country, despite their own horrible shortcomings, would spontaneously improve, just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Could Russel Brand change the dome policies?

2015-01-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Is Russell Brand a sidha? Does he participate in teh Invincible America thing? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Here is some comments on a satirical site, you might be interested in. Obviously not everyone likes this new association.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Origin of the Universe

2015-01-14 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Voltzmann Vacuum Cleaners? Boltzmann brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain Boltzmann brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain A Boltzmann brain

[FairfieldLife] Anime review: Your lie in April

2015-01-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
四月は君の嘘 (literally: April is your lie) is a Japanese comic with 9 volumes thus far, that has been turned into an anime. The story is about Kousei Arima, most famous of all Japan's musical prodigies, whose death of his mother when he was 11 years old, led to a psychotic break during a piano

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ha ha! I knew it!

2015-01-18 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Bobby Roth leads TM like a religion? I'm waiting to see how you rationalize THAT statement... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I've got news for you, the way Bevan, Hagelin, Roth and the other big shots lead, and the way the rank and file True Believers

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rosie Screws the Movement

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
He's still on the top of the page at the DLF board of advisors. Look at tit this way: he's donated $30,000,000.00 (enough to teach TM to 100,000 students) to teh DLF over the past 10 years. They'll turn a blind eye to a silly book for that kind of money. He doesn't claim it is TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rosie Screws the Movement

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh, Nancy Cooke de Herrera may or may not have been a renegade TM teacher. Rosie says that she paid a couple of hundred dollars, but de Hererra died 2 years ago at age 90 and she had already taught numerous celebreties years before that so O'Donnell's remarks about how pricey TM instruction was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Paniced fundamentalists attacking TM

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Virtually all the Rajas had to donate $1 million (or get someone to donate for them) in order to be allowed to wear the crown. John Hagelin is about the only person I know who is even upper middle class due to his affiliation with TM, and he wears at least 3 hats as Raja John, President of

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I haven't seen the numbers from 2013 2014. The figures for 1012 are part of their IRS Form 990 for teh Maharishi Foundation, USA. 12,083 adults and 1,473 students were taught TM in the USA in 2012. 145 TM teachers kept their certification current. They were paid a total of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
A lot of American imports from India are as confused about their own culture as the rest of America, it seems. This is one of my favorite video series; 13. On the difference between puja and worship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl0seNsxMTs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ha ha! I knew it!

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Certainly, for many people, TM is a religion. And as you say, they've managed to make Hinduism, which doesn't even have a direct translation into Hindi, but 'is a phrase coined by the British, derived from the Farsi for Indus River, and is used to refer to the whatever it is that goes on

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You're looking at gross revenue (which includes expensing donations and crediting revenue to make up the difference for scholarships and grants) and what was actually paid to the TM teachers, which is found in Schedule 'O' at the very bottom of the file. I really did go through those numbers

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I can only find one recent [July 2014] mention of Girish on the Vedic Pandit website: About Us | Maharishi Vedic Pandits http://vedicpandits.org/about-us/ http://vedicpandits.org/about-us/ About Us | Maharishi Vedic Pandits http://vedicpandits.org/about-us/ THE TRUST AND FOUNDATION

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
That should read: about 1/3 of total revenue, not 1/2 of total revenue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The largest single expense for the TM organization was paying TM teachers, about 1/2 of total revenues including from donations.

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You have your interests, I have mine. As I said, TM teachers were paid a total of $4,856,983 for teaching 12,083 adults and 1,473 students. Your figures conflate direct revenue from fees and donations converted to scholarships during the accounting process. Fees collected were the

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The main purpose is to do group TM + TM-Sidhis. The yagyas are secondary, and a fund-raiser for their continued existence as a TM+TM-Sidhis meditation group. MMY also wanted to the vedic pandit tradition to continue as a viable tradition throughout india. L ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect

2015-01-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The colony, spread over more than 900 acres, currently houses four buildings, each with more than 800 rooms. Most rooms lie in total neglect. A helipad once used by the guru is now dedicated to grazing cattle. Local real estate agents peg the worth of the land at Rs.15,000 crore. I suspect

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
If y ou check the yearly report summaries, you'll see that the revenues for TM teaching have gone up as the price came down: Service receipts: 2008: $6,472,706 2009: $2,892,763 2010: $5,896,751 2011: $7,980,867 2012: $11,742,617 If you assume that ALL the money came from adult

[FairfieldLife] Re: a lot of false information found here

2015-01-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Raja is an heritary position, as I recall correectly. Your designated heir is the person who serves. Raja John Hagelin never donated $1 million, I am certain. Likely, neither did Raja Dilbeck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote : Can you just summarize the Glocal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ha ha! I knew it!

2015-01-19 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I thought the TM teacher was talking about himself and of course, I didn't speak Sanskrit when I learned, so I was bowing down just to be polite to the TM teacher. As a Unitarian-Universalist, my religious training was to be polite about other people's religious/spiritual practices whenever

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Um I can't tell if you are merely messing with me, or if you really have got such a serious symptom of dementia. Cheers. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : And as we've said and you still obviously cannot comprehend, you're saying that the

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You are correct. Somehow I managed to merge $12 million with 8,093 adn come up with 12,093. My bad. Even so, 8093 + 1473 = 9,566, which is better than 1,157 by ALMOST a factor of 10, which was my point. 9x better or 10x better, it's still nearly an order of magnitude increase over

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Related Assault?

2015-01-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Maybe it had nothing to do with the article which was abut timeliness in reporting, not about the assault itself. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You would think the Marshy Effect

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a lot of false information found here

2015-01-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hagelin probably is worth aLOT less than $10 million (just guessing). $1 million would have been a huge outlay of cash for him, and its pretty obvious that either he was made a Raja by decree by MMY or someone else paid for his crown. None of the other rajas accept money from the TM org that

Re: [FairfieldLife] One for MJ

2015-01-22 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
How many years have I missed that... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Bhai means brother. However, Bhairitu is a homonym for Barry2. On 01/22/2015 12:23 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: nope From:

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Seem my other response. My understanding (documented corrections welcome) is that the pay-for-Yagyas program funds the overall pundit group meditation and yagyas project described at the Vedic Pandits website: Maharishi Vedic Pandits | Dedicated to World Peace http://vedicpandits.org

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
With respect to mindfulness practices, it is becoming more and more accepted by the scientific community that they disrupt brain mechanisms responsible for sense-of-self. Conversely, it is becoming more and more established that TM's main [perhaps only universally consistent] effect is to

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
As I said: My understanding (documented corrections welcome) is that the pay-for-Yagyas program funds the overall pundit group meditation and yagyas project described at the Vedic Pandits website... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Just because they SAY it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, I can't speak to what y ou experience later on, but the EEG coherence in the frontal lobes found in beginning meditators continues to be enhanced, even in 50 year meditators, or people who have spent 15,000 hours in the INvincible America course, and as far as anyone can tell, the brain

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
As I said, the yagyas are expressly used as a fund-raiser for the 9,000 yogic flyer-pandits to be living in teh Brahmasthan. How much was or is being skimmed off the top, I don't know. Peter McWilliams and I exchanged emails from his prison a few months before he died, and he told me that

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-21 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The flimsy evidence is the IRS Form 990s, plus what is claimed on teh website. Specically, that there are currently about 2,000 Vedic Pundits at the Brahmastan: Progress | Maharishi Vedic Pandits http://vedicpandits.org/peace-creating-group/progress/

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
You may be correct, but I don't believe so. What little I have seen suggests that the Yagya program is explicitly and only to fund the creation and support of the pundit groups in india. That would include the coherence creating groups AND the educational program to create new pundits.

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
MAHARISHI FOUNDATION USA ISA NOT-FOR-PROFIT EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATION WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER AND SUPERVISE THE TEACHING OF TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION PROGRAM AND ITS ADVANCED PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES THIS INCLUDES OFFERING PROGRAMS IN ALL AREAS OF MAHARISHI'S VEDIC SCIENCE

Re: [FairfieldLife] always been TM rip offs and people who imitate the technique

2015-01-20 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Certainly the top level TM leadership are hard-core Hinduphiles and I have nothing good to say about GIrish, but even so, no-one at the top whose income I can evaluate, appears to be in it for the money. Even John Hagelin's total salary is far, far less than he might be getting if he was

[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra gets mad

2015-01-30 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
A blogger dredged up an old video of Deepak's and tore into him. Deepak's rhetoric I think, was taken slightly out-of-context, but only slightly. It was Deepak at his worst: spew post-Maharishi rhetoric combined with Maharishi rhetoric and never watch what you're saying, regardless. The

[FairfieldLife] Physiology of meditator trumps description of self BY meditator

2015-01-24 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
And so, as no-one responded to my point, so I'll make it again: various mental practices may lead to the same *description* but as long as the physiological correlates of different practices and the physiological correlates of the long-term results of those different practices are different,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Physiology of meditator trumps description of self BY meditator

2015-01-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
38 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 35 salyavin808 34 Michael Jackson mjackson74 33 Bhairitu noozguru 25 LEnglish5=== Hm. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yee-Haw for Genetic Manipulations!!!

2015-01-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Didn't they say something about how the Jurassic Park dinos, being all-female, could never reproduce. Life will find a way... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : There is some interesting news, some scientists have found a method to modify organisms

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Conflation of two terms in TM-speak.

2015-01-25 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I merely assume that Maharishi is correct and the pure consciousness state found in some people, some of the time, is samadhi. The advent of modern equipment to explore brain activity in myriad ways will, I am hopeful, eventually let us examine PC/samadhi in ways that weren't really

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