Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Imagine
Wow... At Rick's encouragement, I rejoined Fairfield Life a few days ago. Reading the last few days of posts I can see I made a mistake. I trust this e-group serves your evolution, although I confess that I am at a total loss to understand how that might be. Frankly, why do you all bother with the complete and utter waste of life the vast majority of posts here are? Spend time with a child... Play with your cat if you don't have a child... Go out dancing... Make love for a few hours... Enjoy the stars without imagining anything about jyotish or celestial beings or Maitreya or some other bullshit someone else has convinced you to believe... The stars are pretty awesome just as they are - no embellishment needed. So are you. Sincere best wishes and a friendly goodbye, Cliff --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But just for a moment, try to imagine what it > > *feels* like to have someone just *explode* with > > his own simmering hatred of self, and aim it at > > you, and put it into the most carefully-crafted > > attempts to *hurt* he possibly can. > > Gosh, I don't have to imagine it, Barry. I've > been dealing with it from you for a very long time. > > > That's what it's been like for me to post to > > the Internet FOR THIRTEEN YEARS. > > > > Thirteen years ago, on another forum, someone > > else developed the same kind of twisted fixation > > on me, confusing me with all the things she hates > > in herself but cannot accept or recognize in > > herself. > > The projection in this remark is just astounding. > If he actually believes it, it's frightening. > > > She has stalked me from forum to forum ever since, > > No, she has done no such thing. That isn't a > delusion, it's a quite deliberate untruth. > > > with rarely even a one-week break in the invective > > and criticism she aims at me. Richard Williams, > > the troll from Texas, picked up the same mindset > > from her and has been doing the same thing, for > > almost as long. A couple of other people here > > seem to have also "logged on" to this particular > > notion of fun, and consider me their personal > > punching bag. > > Barry indeed has many critics. But for the record, > and from my perspective, the only unfair criticism > of Barry I've ever seen, on both alt.m.t and FFL, > has been the recent spate of rants from Edg > concerning his fantasies about Barry's behavior in > his private life. > > (Well, with the exception of some of Willytex's > posts, but "fairness" doesn't really apply in > his case.) > > Edg's posts were so outlandishly unfair that even > I had to jump in to defend Barry. > > From the early days on alt.m.t right down to the > present, Barry has spent *most* of his time > putting down other people, without the slightest > regard for fairness or accuracy or intellectual > honesty. That's why he's come in for so much > criticism. > > > > The more that these people rag on me and spew > > their bile at me, the more I try to "channel" > > that hatred and use it to inspire me to write > > more, and to write well. If I can read one of > > their hate-filled posts and, immediately after- > > wards, sit down and write about something that > > inspires me and makes me happy, and might also > > inspire someone else, then I have practiced the > > dharma of Living well is the best revenge. > > > > And I have managed to do so without being sucked > > into a head-to-head confrontation with them, and > > giving them what they want, which is my attention. > > Oh, yes, we've noticed how assiduously Barry has > avoided head-to-head confrontation. > > When he's feeling particularly self-righteous, he > actually *does* manage to avoid it for a while, > instead putting his vicious insults and dishonest > characterizations in posts purportedly addressed > to the group, like this one, utterly oblivious > to the gross hypocrisy involved. > > Sorry, but writing a few happy-happy posts doesn't > make up for the rest; and the rest call into > serious question just how genuine the happy ones > are. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Yes, definitely. No, absolutely not. Maybe, it depends. Come on, Judy. You know that's way too simplistic a question to answer without spending a huge amount of time defining and qualifying. Life is calling me. This discussion no longer does. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yes, and the sun rises in the east. Except if you're on Uranus, > > where it rises in the north (or south, depending on where the first > > Uranian map-makers live). > > In the case of a man who provides > support for a woman in exchange for sex, would you > characterize her as a deadbeat who sponges off her > boyfriend? > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Happens quite often, actually. I've talked to a number of > > > > exotic dancers who complained endlessly about their > > > > deadbeat boyfriends who sponged off of them. But that > > > > also happens in other professions. > > > > > > But these are deadbeats who sponge off their > > > girlfriends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > "Sugar-daddy" relationships can happen to women in all > walks of > > > life, > > > > > > Sparaig. Many "normal" relationships could even be looked > at > > > that > > > > > > way - man provides financial support, woman provides sex. > I > > > don't > > > > > > think the particular profession under discussion has a lock > on > > > > > > shallow, material-based interactions. > > > > > > > > > > Heck, why don't we just turn it around and have > > > > > the woman support the man on her earnings from > > > > > dancing in a strip club? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HILARIOUS!!! (was Re: Nakedness Before God)
It's Judy she's quoting, from one of Judy's more insightful, erudite postings. Judy must either like verbal abuse or feel it's the norm of communication (maybe her Mom talked to the rest of her family this way pretty often?), since she dishes it out so regularly. I just ignore it, for the most part, as it has little to do with gaining more insight or knowledge about anything other than Judy's psyche. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're so completely devoid of any kind of self- > knowledge, let alone insight into others. > And your mastery of inadvertent irony is on > display once again. > The paranoia is all yours, pal. As I clearly > indicated, and you completely missed, I was making > fun of both of you by claiming you were the same > person. And you took it as a serious accusation. > > Comment > Your comments above are clearly a classic case of > projection. Can't you see it? Everyone else can. > For God's sake! Go GET A LIFE, and stop > endlessly subjecting us on FFL to your ENDLESS, BORING, pedantry > > (Another woman) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye Mom.
I take it you were there to say goodbye? That was really important for me - gave a chance to express my thanks for all she had given me and to ease her fears of dying. Very blissful and very sorrowful, at the same time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks everyone for your kind words of support on this forum: > > > > http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/sports/92164.php > > My condolences. Losing one's mother is a strong > transit, in that it puts you through changes you > never expected. May hers as she journeys through > the Bardo be smooth and in the direction of light, > and may yours be the same. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Yes, and the sun rises in the east. Except if you're on Uranus, where it rises in the north (or south, depending on where the first Uranian map-makers live). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Happens quite often, actually. I've talked to a number of > > exotic dancers who complained endlessly about their > > deadbeat boyfriends who sponged off of them. But that > > also happens in other professions. > > But these are deadbeats who sponge off their > girlfriends. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > "Sugar-daddy" relationships can happen to women in all walks of > life, > > > > Sparaig. Many "normal" relationships could even be looked at > that > > > > way - man provides financial support, woman provides sex. I > don't > > > > think the particular profession under discussion has a lock on > > > > shallow, material-based interactions. > > > > > > Heck, why don't we just turn it around and have > > > the woman support the man on her earnings from > > > dancing in a strip club? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Happens quite often, actually. I've talked to a number of exotic dancers who complained endlessly about their deadbeat boyfriends who sponged off of them. But that also happens in other professions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "Sugar-daddy" relationships can happen to women in all walks of life, > > Sparaig. Many "normal" relationships could even be looked at that > > way - man provides financial support, woman provides sex. I don't > > think the particular profession under discussion has a lock on > > shallow, material-based interactions. > > Heck, why don't we just turn it around and have > the woman support the man on her earnings from > dancing in a strip club? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
"Sugar-daddy" relationships can happen to women in all walks of life, Sparaig. Many "normal" relationships could even be looked at that way - man provides financial support, woman provides sex. I don't think the particular profession under discussion has a lock on shallow, material-based interactions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > To Women: > > > > > > > > You are attacking the wrong people if you are trying to separate > > > > yourselves from being labeled as mere sexual objects. > > > > > > Stop blaming your inequality on strippers, porn stars, > prostitutes > > > and other women who flaunt their sexuality. As a man, I'll tell > you > > > right now that they are not the reason for your objectification. > > > > > > > That's not what I've been talking about. It is the distortion of > male- > > > female relationships that is the problem. > > > > Well the post was not specifically directed to you. > > > > Can you elaborate on the distortion of male- > > female relationships that is the problem? > > Women learn to deal with men who ONLY are after them due to their > bodies. This may seem like a normal thing, but in fact, even the > strippers I've talked to have noted how extreme the situation > becomes. Strippers can sometimes make more money by dating (with or > without sex) men away from the job itself. The social interactions > become entirely money-based. They're faced with a situation where > EVERY man becomes a sugar daddy and it distorts how they deal with > men in general. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geopolitical thoughts...
He definitely sells his point of view - quite expensively, in fact. But that's what people with good insights (or bad ones) do. It's up to the reader to decide what makes sense and what doesn't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. Interesting and well reasoned analysis. I don't at the moment > see any gaping holes. The author has written a book -- Americas Secret > war. Presumable on the same themes. It gets generally top reviews on > Amazon > > He he head of Stratfor -- See below > > While this is neither an accusation nor a critique, it does raise a > small red flag -- something I wil keep the back of my mind upon > further reading. With global business and governmental clients, its > possible, maybe a low probabity, that he is carving out a policy > position, later to become a prescription based on the outlined policy > assumptions, which benefits his clients. No problem if an > independently developed policy happens to also benefit his clients > (50% of the time ?). But other firms have done the "shape policy to > create a favorable climate for my clients" thing. Something to keep an > eye out for. > > = > > Providing strategic intelligence on global business, economic, > security and geopolitical affairs. > Stratfor - the world's leading private intelligence firm -- provides > corporations, governments and individuals with geopolitical analysis > and forecasts that enable them to manage risk and anticipate > political, economic and security issues vital to their interests. > In today's complex global economy, corporations, government agencies > and non-profit groups increasingly rely on Stratfor to help meet their > +intelligence needs. Stratfor's renowned subscription, monitoring and > consulting solutions allow its prestigious Global 2000 client base to > more effectively manage risk and identify opportunity. > Stratfor offers subscription services to its critically acclaimed Web > site of daily intelligence briefs and in-depth analysis. Strategic, > confidential intelligence services focused on specific client needs > are also available. > Founded in 1996, Stratfor is headquartered in Austin, Texas with > offices in Washington, D.C. and an intelligence network throughout the > world. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This guy captures a point of view which I find quite compelling. He > > also illustrates why the polemics both pro- and anti- Bush/Iraq that > > so often grace these pages are rather pointless. I found it a very > > interesting read. > > > > And a great relief from strip clubs... > > > > - > > > > Four Years On: > > Who is Winning the War, and How Can Anyone Tell? > > 'By George Friedman > > > > Four years have passed since al Qaeda attacked the United States. It > is difficult to > > remember a war of which the status has been more difficult to > assess. Indeed, there are > > reasonable people who argue that the conflict between the United > States and al Qaeda is > > not a war at all, and that thinking of it in those terms obscures > reality. Other reasonable > > people argue that it is only in thinking in terms of war that the > conflict makes sense -- > > and these people then divide into groups: those who believe the > United States is winning > > and those who believe it is losing the war. Into this confusion we > must add the question of > > whether the Iraq war is part of what U.S. President George W. Bush > refers to as the "war on > > terrorism" and what others might call the war against al Qaeda. Even > the issues are not > > clear. It is a war in which no one can agree even on the criteria > for success or failure, or at > > times, who is on what side. > > > > Part of this dilemma is simply the result of partisan politics. It > is a myth that Americans > > unite in times of war: Anyone who believes they do must read the > history of, for example, > > the Mexican War. Americans are a fractious people and, while they > were united during > > World War II, the political recriminations were only delayed -- not > suspended. The issue > > here is not partisanship, however, but rather that there is no clear > framework against > > which to judge the current war. > > > > Let us begin with what we all -- save for those who believe that the > Sept. 11 attacks were > > a plot hatched by the U.S. government to justify the Patriot A
[FairfieldLife] Geopolitical thoughts...
This guy captures a point of view which I find quite compelling. He also illustrates why the polemics both pro- and anti- Bush/Iraq that so often grace these pages are rather pointless. I found it a very interesting read. And a great relief from strip clubs... - Four Years On: Who is Winning the War, and How Can Anyone Tell? 'By George Friedman Four years have passed since al Qaeda attacked the United States. It is difficult to remember a war of which the status has been more difficult to assess. Indeed, there are reasonable people who argue that the conflict between the United States and al Qaeda is not a war at all, and that thinking of it in those terms obscures reality. Other reasonable people argue that it is only in thinking in terms of war that the conflict makes sense -- and these people then divide into groups: those who believe the United States is winning and those who believe it is losing the war. Into this confusion we must add the question of whether the Iraq war is part of what U.S. President George W. Bush refers to as the "war on terrorism" and what others might call the war against al Qaeda. Even the issues are not clear. It is a war in which no one can agree even on the criteria for success or failure, or at times, who is on what side. Part of this dilemma is simply the result of partisan politics. It is a myth that Americans unite in times of war: Anyone who believes they do must read the history of, for example, the Mexican War. Americans are a fractious people and, while they were united during World War II, the political recriminations were only delayed -- not suspended. The issue here is not partisanship, however, but rather that there is no clear framework against which to judge the current war. Let us begin with what we all -- save for those who believe that the Sept. 11 attacks were a plot hatched by the U.S. government to justify the Patriot Act -- can agree on: 1. Al Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, by hijacking aircraft and crashing or trying to crash them into well-known buildings. 2. Since Sept. 11, there have been al Qaeda attacks in Europe and several Muslim countries, but not in the United States. 3. The United States invaded Afghanistan a month after the strikes against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon -- forcing the Taliban government out of the major cities, but not defeating them. The United States has failed to capture Osama bin Laden, although it captured other key al Qaeda operatives. The Taliban has regrouped and is now conducting an insurgency in Afghanistan. 4. The United States invaded Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration claimed that this was part of the war against al Qaeda; critics have claimed it had nothing to do with the war. 5. The United States failed to win the war rapidly, as it had expected to do. Instead, U.S. forces encountered a difficult guerrilla war that, while confined generally to the Sunni regions, nevertheless posed serious military and political challenges. 6. Al Qaeda has failed to achieve its primary political goal -- that is, to trigger an uprising in at least one major Muslim country and create a jihadist regime. There has been no general rising in the Muslim world, and most governments are now cooperating with the United States. 7. There have been no follow-on attacks in the United States since Sept. 11. Whether this is because al Qaeda had no plans for a second attack or because subsequent attacks were disrupted by U.S. intelligence is not clear. This is not intended to be an exhaustive list, but rather to provide what we would regard as a non-controversial base from which to proceed with an assessment. >From the beginning, then, it has been unclear whether the United States saw >itself as fighting a war against al Qaeda or as carrying out a criminal investigation. The two are, of course, enormously different. This is a critical problem. The administration's use of the term "war on terrorism" began the confusion. Terrorism is a mode of warfare. Save for those instances when lunatics like Timothy McVeigh use it as an end in itself, terrorism is a method of intimidating the civilian population in order to drive a wedge between the public and their government. Al Qaeda, then, had a political purpose in using terrorism, as did the British in their nighttime bombing of Germany or the Germans in their air raids against London. The problem in the Bush administration's use of this term is that you do not wage a war against a method of warfare. A war is waged against an enemy force. Now, there are those who argue that war is something that takes place between nation- states and that al Qaeda, not being a nation-state, is not waging war. We tend to disagree with this view. Al Qaeda is not a nation-state, but it is (or has been) a coherent, disciplined force using violence for po
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
I enjoyed and appreciated both Akasha's views and this post of yours. It strongly rsonates with my experience. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha, I'm with you on this. > > I'm not going to try to address your points or bounce > off of them, because 1) it's late here, and 2) I'm a > compulsive straightener-uppoer, and I'd have to spend > a lot of time reformatting the lines you wrote to keep > them from wrapping and getting all ugly. :-) So what > I'll do is riff on your thoughts with some of mine. > > I am by nature a tantric, in the sense that I get off > on polarities. What I do for fun, and for spiritual fun, > is "surf energies," often the more polarized energies > the better. > > I *completely* understand your subjective experience of > having your tendency to objectify women *lessened* by > visiting a strip club. I have experienced exactly the > same thing. When I write, I often do it in public places. > Bars, cafes, whatever. When I really get into the writing, > the surroundings don't bother me. In fact, sometimes they > can help, especially if there is some polarity that exists > between what I am writing about and the environment in > which I am writing it. > > I wrote several of the stories in Road Trip Mind while > sitting at the bar of Yab Yum, the most famous brothel > in Amsterdam. I wasn't there to screw the women; I had a > kind of deal with the owner, who owed me a favor, and he > let me sit there and drink and write for free. And some > of the stories -- about Buddhism and the pursuit of > self discovery -- that emerged from that brothel were, > in my opinion, quite high, as was the subjective exper- > ience of writing them. > > One of the stories I wrote in the strip club in Detroit > was also spiritual, but set in that very club. There is > an odd tradition in Tibet in which women or men allow > themselves to be possessed for a short time by a benevo- > lent dakini. While they are possessed, they dance, and it > is considered a spiritual blessing to be present during > such a dance, because the shakti is just flying every- > where. So I invented a story in which one of these dakinis, > thinking she was possessing a holy woman in a Tibetan > temple, opens her eyes and finds that instead she has > possessed a stripper in this club. It was a real ball to > write, and again a very high subjective experience. And > the women in the bar just *loved* it when I showed it > to them. > > Anyway, to your points, I think that different people > have different predilections in life. Some, like you and > I, seem to be able to immerse ourselves in an environment > that many consider negative and low-vibe, and emerge from > the experience higher and purified. Go figure. Others, in > the exact same environment, would have their state of > attention lowered. Go figure again. > > If you are of the latter predilection, no amount of talk > or intellectual explanation is going to sway you from > your belief that strip clubs are low-vibe and/or that they > objectify women or somehow demean them. It's a "gut" feel- > ing for them; their body just *reacts* to certain stimuli > in a way that, for them, is not positive. Other people > react other ways. > > Me, I'm quite happy with my tantric approach to things, with > surfing weird and disparate energies and finding eternity > at both ends of the spectrum and at every point in between. > I'm often subjectively higher, and have clearer experiences > of witnessing, in the red light district of Amsterdam or > in a strip club than I do in a temple or supposed holy > place. Like you, I have to go with my subjective feeling, > even if it doesn't make any sense to people who have a more > traditional, right-and-wrong approach to these polarities. > > My favorite singer/songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, has a line > in one of his songs that, for me, captures this dance of > energies perfectly, and also captures the experience of > finding spiritual experiences in odd places, places that > other people might consider distinctly unholy: > > You see the extremes of what humans can be > And in that distance some tension's born > Energy surging like a storm > You plunge your hand in > You draw it back, scorched > Beneath it's shining like gold > But better > Rumours of glory... > > Unc > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Just popped in to take a break and look around. Found this > thread. > > > Just curious if Akasha and others might address the question of > why > > > he/they experience such strong emotional energy around this > subject > > > as to feel compelled to write long defenses of his/their > positions > > > or critiques of others'. So some people like strip clubs and > others > > > don't. Big deal. And what's wrong or new about different p
[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Be careful, Akasha. You'll be accused of being a stupid, awful,
terrible, did-I-mention-stupid clone of Cliff shortly... :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > But I think
> > > the real issue is that most Americans look down on
> > > strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying
> > > to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of
> > > "exploitation" and pretending to be outraged about it.
> >
> > That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function
> > of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable
> > to expand your understanding far enough to grasp.
> >
> > The puerility of the level on which this is being
> > discussed by most here is just appalling.
>
> And yet you continue to fail to tell us what "the main" issue is.
> Please do so. Oblique references only go so far.
>
> And why not make specific arguements as to what issues are on the
> level of puerility. And why.
>
> To date you have only made implicit or implied suggestions as to the
> deficiencies of posters -- paraphrasing ("its too depressing to
> contemplate that intelligent people...", "so many of you seem unable
> to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. ", "the puerility of
> the level on which this is being discussed by most here is just
> appalling".
>
> Please actually make a point about the issues. Expand our awareness.
> Make a fact and reality-based case.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Objectification and De-objectification of Women
Oh come on, Judy. Your put-downs are awfully weak today. Didn't sleep well? Where's the true spitting venom you displayed so exhuberantly last night? Your fans will be disappointed... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But I think > > the real issue is that most Americans look down on > > strippers and other sex workers. They're just trying > > to hide their own prejudice behind the claim of > > "exploitation" and pretending to be outraged about it. > > That's *an issue*, but of course it's a function > of the main issue, which so many of you seem unable > to expand your understanding far enough to grasp. > > The puerility of the level on which this is being > discussed by most here is just appalling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
You prefer looking at women's bones as opposed to their breasts, do you? H Maybe Peter would have somethiing to say about that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa. > > That is, until I perfected the X-ray vision siddhi ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
So exotic dancers should all be celibate? You're not making any sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business. > > But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing > to the weird sexual distortion. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were > > > > then currently strippers. > > > > > > > > I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone > > > > else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't > know > > > any > > > > strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as > > > > proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as > > > > "proof" of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am > to > > > > women and how much I dislike them? > > > > > > WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know > that? > > > > > > Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, "Excuse me, but do > you > > > > > > actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts > and > > > > > > stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are > sort > > > of nice, > > > > > > or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you > come > > > > > > to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting > places > > > like > > > > > > this?" (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more > shrill > > > > > > as you read this last sentence.) > > > > > > > > > > Have many friends who are strippers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Happy to be of service... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Logic and grammar, Judy. I didn't deny the validity of > > the point, I merely raised it as the platform for a related > > question. > > > > You're getting too hot under the collar to digest what you read. > > Mmm, a bit of projection here, methinks. > > Actually I'm laughing at you. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were > > > > then currently strippers. > > > > > > > > I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone > > > > else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't > know > > > > any strippers. > > > > > > Why not? You asserted that my opinion about > > > what Wal-Mart pays its employees could not > > > possibly have any value if I hadn't run a > > > business with employees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Since I never have, it would be logically impossible for me to have stopped. Apoplexia doesn't become you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > And what is your deep wound over stripping, sparaig? I've answered > > your questions. I invite you to answer mine. > > Have you stopped beating your wife? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Logic and grammar, Judy. I didn't deny the validity of the point, I merely raised it as the platform for a related question. You're getting too hot under the collar to digest what you read. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were > > then currently strippers. > > > > I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone > > else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know > > any strippers. > > Why not? You asserted that my opinion about > what Wal-Mart pays its employees could not > possibly have any value if I hadn't run a > business with employees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Is it the first sentence here that you find "incredibly stupidly offensive"? I'm surprised. I would think your own life is replete with relationships with men that have done a number on your head. I've never spoken with a woman for whom that was not true. And no, that's not a putdown to women. Most men have similar experiences with many of their relationships with women. Incredibly stupidly offensive? You might consider your own words... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Most relationships that women have with men do a "number on > > their heads" with regard to men. Doesn't matter if the woman > > strips or does database design for a living. > > > > Shemp, I understand that you personally feel badly about either > > having gone to a strip club or wanting to go to one, but you read > > WAY too much into this. > > I think Cliff is Barry in disguise. That's just > the sort of incredibly stupidly offensive remark > he would make. And "Cliff" gets the name laughably > wrong to boot, just as Barry tends to do when his > point of view is threatened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)
Yes, Judy. The whole world, in fact, is ganging up against you, plotting your intellectual downfall. There are thousands of emails per minute devoted just to you. You should see what all the others here on FFL write when you're not looking... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I have a hard time seeing the difference between Judy wanting to > > tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body in a strip > > club > > You're as bad as Barry, Cliff. I NEVER said > or suggested anything of the kind. > > Why do you feel you need to misrepresent my > point of view in order to argue against it? > > Is it because it takes less effort to knock > down a straw man of your own creation? > > Your intellectual dishonesty is stunning. > > > > But you can't take away that choice in the name of "saving the poor > > girl from being exploited" without taking away her freedom as a > > human being. > > Never said that either, your deceptive quote > marks notwithstanding. (That's another of > Barry's tricks, by the way. Is he giving you > dishonesty lessons, or what?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: strippers
Only $100 per hour? You're WAY under market. At $20 per dance you should be able to get at least $300 per hour. Now if you just had the right genetic code you could make some serious money! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I knew a woman in Fairfield who became a stripper. > > > She enjoyed > > > > dancing and > > > > she enjoyed showing herself off, so stripping was > > > a perfect fit, so > > > > to speak.>>> > > > > > > > > > I'm a stripper too. > > > I pay myself $50 an hour to strip for me in front of > > > the mirror. - OffWorld > > > > How much do you charge for a lap dance?>> > > > > > Lapdances are expensive. A hundred bucks an hour. > They are problematic in this case (see above). > I meanhave you ever seen a dog chase its tail? > Now you get the picture. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were > > then currently strippers. > > > > I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone > > else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know > any > > strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as > > proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as > > "proof" of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to > > women and how much I dislike them? > > WEre they your friends, or were you sleeping with them? > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that? > > > > Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, "Excuse me, but do you > > > > actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and > > > > stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort > of nice, > > > > or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you come > > > > to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting places > like > > > > this?" (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more shrill > > > > as you read this last sentence.) > > > > > > Have many friends who are strippers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
My apologies (particularly to Shemp) for my misattribution. To answer your question: enough to feel I have a pretty good understanding of the incredibly wide diversity of personalities and desires and emotional damages and skill sets that are represented in that particular community. It's not terribly dissimilar from the huge range represented in any transitory job - retail sales in department stores, for example. You get everything from the seriously messed-up, lives-for-the-next-party, cannot-possibly-make responsible decisions personality, to one I met in Atlanta who was getting her engineering degree during the day and was a very cool person. And what is your deep wound over stripping, sparaig? I've answered your questions. I invite you to answer mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Most relationships that women have with men do a "number on > > their heads" with regard to men. Doesn't matter if the woman > > strips or does database design for a living. > > > > Shemp, I understand that you personally feel badly about either > > having gone to a strip club or wanting to go to one, but you read > > WAY too much into this. > > I'm not Shemp, and again, I ask: how many strippers are you friends > with? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were then currently strippers. I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as proof that my opinion has value, or will you now display this as "proof" of how (and all those like me, of course) horrible I am to women and how much I dislike them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that? > > Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, "Excuse me, but do you > > actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and > > stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort of nice, > > or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you come > > to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting places like > > this?" (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more shrill > > as you read this last sentence.) > > Have many friends who are strippers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
Most relationships that women have with men do a "number on their heads" with regard to men. Doesn't matter if the woman strips or does database design for a living. Shemp, I understand that you personally feel badly about either having gone to a strip club or wanting to go to one, but you read WAY too much into this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's interesting. the dark side of these people who > > > > try to pass themselves > > > > off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare > > > > oneself a teacher or guru > > > > or "enlightened") I tend to associate with nothing > > > > more than a refined and > > > > clever ego. I remember how disappointed I was when I > > > > found out that Charlie > > > > Lutes had loved to frequent strip clubs. > > > > > > This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to > > > myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part > > > bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women. > > > Okay I have known other people in the past that I > > > respect and admire that did the same thing from time > > > to time. Why is it such a problem? H. > > > > Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects. > > They also do a number on women's heads concerning their relationship > with men. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that? Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, "Excuse me, but do you actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort of nice, or do you really secrety despise them and that's why you come to horrible, filthy, degrading, degenerate, disgusting places like this?" (NOTE - playback should get much faster and more shrill as you read this last sentence.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It's interesting. the dark side of these people who > > > try to pass themselves > > > off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare > > > oneself a teacher or guru > > > or "enlightened") I tend to associate with nothing > > > more than a refined and > > > clever ego. I remember how disappointed I was when I > > > found out that Charlie > > > Lutes had loved to frequent strip clubs. > > > > This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to > > myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part > > bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women. > > Okay I have known other people in the past that I > > respect and admire that did the same thing from time > > to time. Why is it such a problem? H. > > Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)
Your take on this surprises me, Peter. There's no "degree of choice" here - it's a choice, pure and simple. If a woman chooses a job where her looks or sexuality is rewarded, that's her choice to make. Yes, there are emotional consequences, as there are to any job. Should women not be allowed to model because they're being made into "sex objects"? Should they not be allowed to be in car advertisements, because that "uses" their sexuality? As for an "underpaying" job, I had to LOL! Let's take a poll... Everyone who feels they are underpaid, please raise your hand. Hmmm... Almost everyone... :-) If someone is free to choose yes or no, there is no exploitation. The instant someone else tries to take away that right (as in, thou shalt not be allowed to strip), that person becomes the exploiter. I have a hard time seeing the difference between Judy wanting to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body in a strip club and someone wanting to tell that same woman who she can or cannot have sex with or what her contraceptive choices are or if she has the right to have an abortion or not. Freedom is freedom. With freedom comes the possibility of choosing stupidly or even disastrously. But you can't take away that choice in the name of "saving the poor girl from being exploited" without taking away her freedom as a human being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why don't we think of exploitation as a matter of > degree? When there is no choice, such as a child being > forced into slave labor, that is true exploitation. > But when there is a degree of choice, such as > stripping or taking an underpaying job, that is not > complete exploitation. There is a degree of > exploitation in it though. So, Judy, i do understand > your point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra (The Dark Vs. The Light)
For me, this was the most insightful thing I've seen from you, Robert. You very accurately express how power and money make it far easier for the "dark side" to express itself. Throw in a TMO with a sadly distorted view of sexuality and you have a recipe for serious problems, betrayals, conflicts and deeply hurt lives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many people who become successful, with lots of fame and money, > when they still have issues to resolve; > Feel justified, fulfilling their desires, as they have an expanded > ego, and many situations presented to them; > That would not be the case without the money and power. > They say that power is the most potent aphrodisiac. > And we can see many people in political office, as well as people in > the entertainment business; > Having many sexual escapades; > Sometimes endangering their reputations, families and careers. > As the energy of the chakras increases, the need to release some of > this energy sometimes comes out sexually. > This is just a process of growth; > Until one can fully integrate, their sexuality, > And the increased energy of Kundalini; > With mind, intellect, and transcendence of ego. > Just because someone is a Doctor, and has written books, and has > made lots of money, doesn't mean they won't be susceptible to lust, > greed, and even murder. > The dark side operates on the principle of hidden agendas. > The actual sex act is not dark; > But rather the secretive nature, the notion that someone has been > betrayed, and of course the cowardliness of lyng. > We must all come to grips with the layers of dark, that each of us > carries. > And the way to accomplish this is to acknowledge the desires, and > disempower their strength. > The longer one stays in denial and repression; > The longer and more intense will the balancing and healing be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Chopra
You're just jealous...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's interesting. the dark side of these people who try to pass > themselves > > off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare oneself a teacher > or guru or "enlightened") I tend to associate with nothing more than a > refined and clever ego. I remember how disappointed I was when I found > out that Charlie Lutes had loved to frequent strip clubs. > > Yea, it really bummed me out when I found out Krishna frequented > gopis. And did 1000's at once. Menage a trois's might be interesting, > but doing 1000 babes at once is sick, man. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25
Kelly and I just saw him a few weeks ago at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, NY. We were there helping to teach a course on Sacred Sex (www.artofbeing.com), and Deepak was there teaching a week seminar. I'd worked with him for a few months at MIU-CNL in DC back in 1984-85, and he had asked Maharishi if I could be his main assistant. M chose an Indian couple (Anju and Sushil) instead, which apparently didn't work out well at all. In any case, Deepak recognized me, but did the "I'm a celebrity now and you don't have anything to offer me" courteous blow-off routine. Understandable, I suppose. But the simplicity and genuine caring that I felt in him back 20 years ago was completely absent. Sad... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/12/05 12:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I am open, but for me, the jury is > >> still out as to > >> whether all is pure and pristine in Chopra land. > >> > >> But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his > >> books. > > > > The earlier ones were all ghost written by a guy on > > purusha! > > Huntley Dent. He left Purusha and continued writing Deepak books. I think > he's ghost written most of them, including the Merlin novel. He's a rich > dude now. He's nearly blind and has his monitor adjusted to make the type > really big. Reportedly he can hold a lot of information in his head and type > it out without having to see what's on his monitor all the time. > > I taught Deepak's intro TM course in the Cambridge center. Ted Weisman > initiated him. He was a bit skeptical at first but warmed up quickly. Ted > and I visited him at his house and later stayed in his parents' house in New > Delhi for two months during the Vedic Science conference. Deepak always > struck me as very sweet, unassuming, and good-hearted in those days. I think > fame and ambition may have gotten a grip on him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm raising relief funds -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
And somehow that gives you pleasure? Very strange... I think I will officially retire from trying to understand this relationship. It clearly makes you both very happy, in some way that I definitely do not comprehend, so I'll wish you well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Incredibly complex and heavily-invested relationship for two > > > people who have never met, I must say. And the value for you > > > appears to be "saving the world by outing Barry, day by day"? > > > > Maybe saving him from himself too. But that's > > been mostly on alt.m.t. > > > > Although he started out on this forum--well before > > I even got here--by trashing me (I suspect in order > > to "prepare" the group in case I decided to turn up), > > and lying about me once I was here, once I'd cleared > > up the lies, I was willing to leave him alone if he > > left me alone and didn't misrepresent alt.m.t. > > > > Unfortunately, that didn't work out. > > > > And I'll just observe once again how interesting > > it is that *I* get all the flak, while nobody seems > > to want to chide Barry. > > I'm just sitting back and enjoying this, but just > wait...it gets better. On a.m.t., Judy is on > record as believing that I write all of you in > private email to say bad things about her and > make you think bad things about her. > > What she doesn't realize -- and never has -- is > that all I do is push her buttons and let her > rant. She does all the rest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha.......the world's first Fool.
Considering she was a Jewish mom, I bet she smacked him good for that one! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jesus has similar stories of his relationship with God; and his > other relationships... > > He told his Mother, that she was not his mother; > > Rather as he became 'Soul-Realized'; > The perception became; > That he was purely from Heaven; > And perhaps, all of us at some point; > Have to give up all of the attachments; > Of the ego; > Family relationships, business, money, home, everything; > Eventually everything, becomes secondary to Samhadhi, > and the; > The passion to serve the Holy One, The Sage... > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Buddha rebelled against his tradition and the brahmin order, > > > only > > > > > later to realise he was wrong. The first of many mistakes > and > > > > inferior > > > > > approach to knowledge: > > > > > "Prince Siddhartha who deserted his wife when she was not > > > > > looking, made a confession years later. "I stealthily > slipped > > > > > out of the bedroom that night. I thought she was an obstacle > in > > > > > my spiritual pursuit. But looking back, I realise, it was a > > > > > mistake. For a person who has his goals fixed, obstacles > never > > > > > happen."He was implying that for the bliss of salvation, one > > > > > need not run away from the material world and its most > > > > > slandered component the wife. " > > > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1227589.cms > > > > > > > > Um...and which volume of the recorded sayings > > > > of Buddha is this from?>>. > > > > > > It is the ONLY recorded saying of Buddha. The rest were made up > by > > > admirers and followers after he died. > > > > Ah, I see. Who wrote it down, his wife? > > > > Maybe she was the Dr. Phil fan... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm raising relief funds -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
Thanks for clarifying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Incredibly complex and heavily-invested relationship for two > > people who have never met, I must say. And the value for you > > appears to be "saving the world by outing Barry, day by day"? > > Maybe saving him from himself too. But that's > been mostly on alt.m.t. > > Although he started out on this forum--well before > I even got here--by trashing me (I suspect in order > to "prepare" the group in case I decided to turn up), > and lying about me once I was here, once I'd cleared > up the lies, I was willing to leave him alone if he > left me alone and didn't misrepresent alt.m.t. > > Unfortunately, that didn't work out. > > And I'll just observe once again how interesting > it is that *I* get all the flak, while nobody seems > to want to chide Barry. > > > Kinda thin, I would think, but that's your choice and not mine. > > > > You equate *right-wingers* with phoniness and dishonesty, it > > would appear. Seems rather pejorative of you, frankly. I thought > > "right-wingers" were supposed to be the bigots on the planet? > > > > Bigotry in its essence is categorizing people by > > one shared trait and then assuming that they share > > many other, undesirable traits as an inevitable result of that one > > shared trait. "Everyone knows that all blacks are thieves, liars, > > etc.", or "All Jews are skinflints and tax cheats, etc.," or > > "All right-wingers are phony, dishonest hypocrites." > > You confirm my impression that your thinking gets > very fuzzy when you're feeling hostile. > > Try to sharpen it up a bit: is there some salient > difference between being black, being Jewish, and > being a right-winger? Which of these three is not > like the other two? > > > > > I'm quite > > sure none of these statements are true, and my certainty comes > > from direct experience of people who contradict those statements. > > > > Tom Pall, on the other hand, would probably hold the first two to > > be true. You sure you want to be in his "proud to be a bigot" camp? > > > > Although you did qualify it with "most", so I guess there is a > > slender ray of hope for those of us who believe both in being > > fiscally and personally responsible (which is how I define > > "right-wing") and in being quite authentic in our personal > > relationships. > > I could have added "in my experience and observation," > but I sort of assumed that would be taken for granted. > > > And, no I do not much care for George Bush, so please don't let > > your "all right-wingers love George Bush" bigotry kick in, either. > > Hmm, did I ever say or suggest anything like that? > > You also have a tendency to make a lot of unfounded > assumptions. > > > > No one speaks for me or decides for me other than myself. > > > > I appreciate your obvious intelligence and wit, but your zeal gets > > to be a bit much, at times. Maybe it's just too painful for most > > people to be "authentic" with you for very long because you give > > them an in-depth laundry list of everything that's wrong with them > > now or has been wrong in the past, or that will be wrong with them > > in the future? > > No, I don't think so. What was your phrase, > "pretty thin"? > > I notice you had no comment on this: > > > > Think for a moment about how he'd be likely > > > to react if somebody indicated they thought there > > > was something wrong with him because a city (or > > > anything else) they liked didn't appeal to him > > > (not to mention suggesting he'd really never > > > been there). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm raising relief funds -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
Incredibly complex and heavily-invested relationship for two people who have never met, I must say. And the value for you appears to be "saving the world by outing Barry, day by day"? Kinda thin, I would think, but that's your choice and not mine. You equate *right-wingers* with phoniness and dishonesty, it would appear. Seems rather pejorative of you, frankly. I thought "right-wingers" were supposed to be the bigots on the planet? Bigotry in its essence is categorizing people by one shared trait and then assuming that they share many other, undesirable traits as an inevitable result of that one shared trait. "Everyone knows that all blacks are thieves, liars, etc.", or "All Jews are skinflints and tax cheats, etc.," or "All right-wingers are phony, dishonest hypocrites." I'm quite sure none of these statements are true, and my certainty comes from direct experience of people who contradict those statements. Tom Pall, on the other hand, would probably hold the first two to be true. You sure you want to be in his "proud to be a bigot" camp? Although you did qualify it with "most", so I guess there is a slender ray of hope for those of us who believe both in being fiscally and personally responsible (which is how I define "right-wing") and in being quite authentic in our personal relationships. And, no I do not much care for George Bush, so please don't let your "all right-wingers love George Bush" bigotry kick in, either. No one speaks for me or decides for me other than myself. I appreciate your obvious intelligence and wit, but your zeal gets to be a bit much, at times. Maybe it's just too painful for most people to be "authentic" with you for very long because you give them an in-depth laundry list of everything that's wrong with them now or has been wrong in the past, or that will be wrong with them in the future? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I'd say your comment clues me more into your dislike for him than > > his comment clued me into anything other than he really likes > > Paris. > > Think for a moment about how he'd be likely > to react if somebody indicated they thought there > was something wrong with him because a city (or > anything else) they liked didn't appeal to him > (not to mention suggesting he'd really never > been there). > > > You clearly really don't like him, but that's hardly news. Why > > do you bother sniping away? > > Because I don't think there's any excuse for > being a phony, dishonest hypocrite. Life is tough > enough when everybody being is as honest and > authentic as they can possibly be. > > Same reason I don't ilke Bush and most right-wingers, > as it happens. > > Feels good? You're a jilted ex- > > lover? He got your sister pregnant? He got your brother > > pregnant? :-) > > > > Or is he just so much like you that you can't stand the thought > > that something he might say could be more insightful or more correct > > or more enjoyed or more whatever, than the corresponding one- > > upmanship which you feel compelled to deliver? > > There's an interesting, loving, insightful human > being under all that phony armor that for some > reason he is terrified of letting himself be. > That person leaks out around the edges from time > to time, but then the armor slams shut and the > phony takes over again. > > > I have to say, from the outside, it sounds like you > > used to be married to each other, got emotionally fused, the > > relationship self-destructed, but you and he have never > > managed to really separate. On the other hand, maybe you've > > never met each other, although that seems rather unlikely. > > Never met. We've both been regular participants > on alt.m.t for more than 10 years. > > I am by no means the only alt.m.t'er who feels > this way about Barry, just for the record. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
I remember a Humboldt tape where M was talking about drug experiences and he said something like *Taking drugs is like smashing your head through the wall and seeing the room of enlightenment, but you always get yanked back out. Meditation is like walking through the door into the room of enlightenment.* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The issue that involves drugs is, "Will the > > realization *last*." The answer to that seems > > pretty clear, in my experience -- drug exper- > > iences don't last. But that doesn't necessarily > > mean that they are illusory. > > That has been MMY's pointonthe subject as well, I understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
No question they were self-medication. But a personality that strong has a very hard time resisting the slippery slope to addiction. He could never do anything part-way, whether it was TM, journeys to India, or drugs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which > was > > > > quite some time before the course where he related the > > experience to > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long > > > > rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic- > > depressive > > > > people I've ever known. > > > > > > Had he been diagnosed as manic-depressive, and if so, > > > was he under treatment for it, do you know? (Just > > > curious.) > > > > > > > > > > I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't > doubt > > > > that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I > > think > > > > he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate > > > > attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from > > > > himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save > > > > ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization > > > > for Jay. > > > > > > What do you think he could have done to save himself?>>> > > > > Calming down and taking it easy and getting off alcahol and drugs > > Without knowing anything about him but what's been > said here, I'd wonder if the drugs and alcohol > weren't an attempt to self-medicate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm raising relief funds -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
I'd say your comment clues me more into your dislike for him than his comment clued me into anything other than he really likes Paris. You clearly really don't like him, but that's hardly news. Why do you bother sniping away? Feels good? You're a jilted ex- lover? He got your sister pregnant? He got your brother pregnant? :-) Or is he just so much like you that you can't stand the thought that something he might say could be more insightful or more correct or more enjoyed or more whatever, than the corresponding one- upmanship which you feel compelled to deliver? I have to say, from the outside, it sounds like you used to be married to each other, got emotionally fused, the relationship self-destructed, but you and he have never managed to really separate. On the other hand, maybe you've never met each other, although that seems rather unlikely. You can always tell me it's none of my business, since it's not, but I am curious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I would donate $20 only on the condition that Judy gets to > > > > > go to Paris. > > > > > > > > Hell, *I* would donate $20 to get Judy to Paris. > > > > > > > > It's really lovely in the late Fall. Very still. > > > > She'd really like it. > > > > > > Been there, done that. > > > > Wow. > > > > Anyone who could say that about Paris > > obviously hasn't, and hasn't. > > If this comment doesn't clue you in as to what a phony > Barry is, nothing will. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm raising relief funds -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
Paris is my 2nd favorite city on the planet, after Amsterdam. But I understand that it's not everyone's cup of tea. I have the distinct advantage of having a wife who is fluent in French, so I don't suffer the otherwise quite intimidating (and often nasty) social disdain the French so love to heap on all things non-French. In fact, we have quite a few good friends in various parts of the country, which contributes to its charm and fun. But I never travel alone there - too many French people! :-) Amsterdam, on the other hand, suits me just fine whether with Kelly or without. Everyone speaks English, they think I'm cool because I both like kids and like to dance, they know how to throw GREAT parties, and it's a good place to do business. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I would donate $20 only on the condition that Judy gets to > > > > go to Paris. > > > > > > Hell, *I* would donate $20 to get Judy to Paris. > > > > > > It's really lovely in the late Fall. Very still. > > > She'd really like it. > > > > Been there, done that. > > Wow. > > Anyone who could say that about Paris > obviously hasn't, and hasn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founders Day Postponed 'til Fri 9/16 - Alumni Lunch
Strange. Somehow my family missed that one completely. Where did it take place? Thanks for the info. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think they are referring to the recent Festival of Healthy, > Organic, > Enlightened Living in Vedic City, which was an all-day festival over > two > weekends, four days in total. 1,000 visitors would only be 250 a day. > I was > there one day and the place seemed quite busy, so an estimate of > 1,000 over > 4 days does not seem excessive. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I'm highly dubious about the "Over 1000 people recently visited > Maharishi > Vedic City, > > mostly from around the state" claim. Maybe it's a *flexible* > definition of > recent. And it > > probably includes the recert courses. 1000 people visiting Vedic > City is a > very large > > number, comared to the size. SInce my house would experience quite > a bit > of that traffic, > > and there has been no traffic increase, I'm dubious. > > > > I hope they have a wonderful celebration. I wish they would stop > lying (if, in > fact, the 1000 > > figure is a lie). > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Saturday, September 10, 2005 Dear Alumni and Friends, We wanted > to let > you know > > (just as soon as we knew) that H.E. Dr. Bevan Morris has asked us > to > postpone the > > Founder's Day Celebration from its traditional day, September 12, > and > combine it with this > > month's Full Moon Celebration. So there will be a glorious combined > celebration in the > > Men's Dome this coming Friday, September 16, at 8:00 p.m. Details > will > follow, but we > > anticipate a very special evening, including some of the latest > news from > Holland. Also. . > > .Founders Day Al um ni Re un io n! Event Friday afternoon 12:00 - > 1:15 a > fun time will be > > had by all who attend lunch at Annapurna (Student Union). Share > stories > with classmates > > while we share photos of the golden olden days. Lunch is $7.00. > Party will > be in the room > > straight ahead as you enter the dining hall. RSVP so we can > estimate how > much space we > > need. See you there and remember, support nature and It will > support you. > Over 1000 > > people recently visited Maharishi Vedic City, mostly from around > the state. > Guess what was > > the most popular feature? Yep, Yogic Flying demonstrations. People > were > glued to their > > chairs and with beaming smiles asked me how long it would take them > to > learn. So let's all > > celebrate Founders Day together starting with group program. We > don't > have that far to > > go. And the foam is already set up! Jai Guru Dev Jennine Fellmer > Alumni/ > Expansion 472 > > -1190 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on the luck of the world
I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I disagree that M has always or even usually given a *it will get worse before it gets better* warning prior to announcing the AoE (or variations of that theme). But I agree he has sometimes said such things. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I disagree, Judy. > > You disagree that I remember hearing it would get > worse before it got better?? > > Maharishi has made innumerable announcements, > > starting with the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment in January 1975 > > where he explicitly stated that the end of suffering and ignorance > > had arrived, and it was only *up* from here. > > > > There was no mention that some mass suffering or long delays would > > have to be endured prior to the AoE taking hold. > > I can't account for why you never heard what I > heard. > > Regardless, it seems to me it would make more > sense as a *rationalization*. > > > > > > > Makes it clear that all those earlier announcements were either > wishful > > thnking, marketing PR, just plain wrong, or some combination of the > > three. I don't think he was outright lying, which would be the > fourth > > possibility. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...MMY correctly identifies the "luck" (bad karma) of the > world > > > > > as being to blame, because if the world were not in such > darkness, > > > > > TM could be promoted quickly... > > > > > > > > bob, i dont disagree with you here, but i wonder how is it that > > > > the world seems darker and darker now, such that maharishi > > > > feels like lamenting and hiding behind this "discouraged" logic. > > > > > > > > what ever happened to what we were told for so long, that > > > > the collective consciousnesss of the world was steadily and > > > > permanently being purified...by each program, even by each hop? > > > > > > > > it is starting to smell like: hmm, none of that was ever true... > > > > > > What I remember hearing is that things would get > > > a lot worse before they'd get better (mass > > > unstressing as a result of purification of the > > > collective consciousness). > > > > > > What puzzles me is why he doesn't cite *that* logic > > > as something to "hide" behind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sue The Feds??For/Lack of Preparedness In New Orleans?'
I liked the movie quite a bit. To me, it was silly, funny, absurd, great political commentary, sad, nihilistic and uplifting all at once. Just remember the quote, "It won't work on me. I'm already a woman!" I almost fell off my chair I laughed so hard... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Can you be sued for really bad poetry? > > > > If you're a Vogon you can get a promotion for it. > > (Finally saw the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > > movie.) > > > > Do you recommend it (I think it's still playing at the local dollar > cinema)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subjected to the Dalai Lama once again...
You must be reading different histories than I, Shemp. Where do you come off blaming the Dalai Lama for the Chinese invasion of Tibet and subsequent killing of lots of Tibetans? If he hadn't fled the country he would have just added one more to the death tally, and his voice, which has given the world the concept that there actually is a Tibet, would have been forever stilled. I've seen a few side-swipes from you aimed in his direction, but thought I must have missed the point before. You're pretty blatant here, to put it mildly, and appear to be as off-base as one can get, IMO. What do you think happened? And why do you think so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dalai Lama on ABC's "This Week" for about 5 minutes. > > Such reverence paid to this man who oversaw a genocide of his own > people. > > Who or what is a greater proponent of non-violence: the Dalai Lama or > the H-Bomb? > > I think the H-Bomb wins, hands down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Minimizing poverty
I'd have to agree. Educated, reasonably mature people with a serious interest in stability (ensuring the survival of their offspring) make the best possible citizens. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to George Will today on ABC's "This Week", a society can > minimize poverty if it follows three simple rules: > > 1) ensure your citizens graduate from high school; > > 2) don't have children until you're married; and > > 3) don't get married until you're at least 20. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founders Day Postponed 'til Fri 9/16 - Alumni Lunch
I'm highly dubious about the "Over 1000 people recently visited Maharishi Vedic City, mostly from around the state" claim. Maybe it's a *flexible* definition of recent. And it probably includes the recert courses. 1000 people visiting Vedic City is a very large number, comared to the size. SInce my house would experience quite a bit of that traffic, and there has been no traffic increase, I'm dubious. I hope they have a wonderful celebration. I wish they would stop lying (if, in fact, the 1000 figure is a lie). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Saturday, September 10, 2005 Dear Alumni and Friends, We wanted to let you > know (just as soon as we knew) that H.E. Dr. Bevan Morris has asked us to postpone the Founder's Day Celebration from its traditional day, September 12, and combine it with this month's Full Moon Celebration. So there will be a glorious combined celebration in the Men's Dome this coming Friday, September 16, at 8:00 p.m. Details will follow, but we anticipate a very special evening, including some of the latest news from Holland. Also. . .Founders Day Al um ni Re un io n! Event Friday afternoon 12:00 - 1:15 a fun time will be had by all who attend lunch at Annapurna (Student Union). Share stories with classmates while we share photos of the golden olden days. Lunch is $7.00. Party will be in the room straight ahead as you enter the dining hall. RSVP so we can estimate how much space we need. See you there and remember, support nature and It will support you. Over 1000 people recently visited Maharishi Vedic City, mostly from around the state. Guess what was the most popular feature? Yep, Yogic Flying demonstrations. People were glued to their chairs and with beaming smiles asked me how long it would take them to learn. So let's all celebrate Founders Day together starting with group program. We don't have that far to go. And the foam is already set up! Jai Guru Dev Jennine Fellmer Alumni/Expansion 472 -1190 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on the luck of the world
I disagree, Judy. Maharishi has made innumerable announcements, starting with the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment in January 1975 where he explicitly stated that the end of suffering and ignorance had arrived, and it was only *up* from here. There was no mention that some mass suffering or long delays would have to be endured prior to the AoE taking hold. Makes it clear that all those earlier announcements were either wishful thnking, marketing PR, just plain wrong, or some combination of the three. I don't think he was outright lying, which would be the fourth possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > > > > ...MMY correctly identifies the "luck" (bad karma) of the world > > > as being to blame, because if the world were not in such darkness, > > > TM could be promoted quickly... > > > > bob, i dont disagree with you here, but i wonder how is it that > > the world seems darker and darker now, such that maharishi > > feels like lamenting and hiding behind this "discouraged" logic. > > > > what ever happened to what we were told for so long, that > > the collective consciousnesss of the world was steadily and > > permanently being purified...by each program, even by each hop? > > > > it is starting to smell like: hmm, none of that was ever true... > > What I remember hearing is that things would get > a lot worse before they'd get better (mass > unstressing as a result of purification of the > collective consciousness). > > What puzzles me is why he doesn't cite *that* logic > as something to "hide" behind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vs. The United States of America'
Just weep for Robert, Shemp, if weep you must. The *intelligence of TMers* isn't a single entity crying out to be wept for as far as I'm aware. Robert's writing style drives me crazy at times, but it's probably reflective of his mental processes, as most of our writing styles are. He seems rather detached from what I consider to be the *real world*, and I would guess is mostly uninterested in anything you or I have to say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is hereby proclaimed; the His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi; > > > > Did worn President Bush, of the consequences of Invading Iraq. > > > > Also, Maharishi, has offered time and again, for Mr. Bush; > > > > To spend an infinitesimal amount of money; > > > > To provide the technology of enlightenment; > > > > Pr oven through the laws of quantum mechanics; > > > > And through trial and error; > > > > In that, a team of advanced meditators; > > > > Has been indicated as having an effect; > > > > Like the 'Josephson Effect; > > > > Of creating a type of 'Coherent Field Effect; > > > > Of human consciousness; > > > > To the illumination of society in general. > > > > Like a magnetic field is invisible; > > > > But, nonetheless, is there, and had an effect.. > > > > Maharishi was sued in U.S. District Court, in Philadelphia; > > > > Back in 1976, and the Transcendental Meditation Technique; > > > > Which was helping so many students, was banned from school. > > > > The resulting chaos, in our culture, and in our school system; > > > > Could have logically been prevented; > > > > By the implementation of these ancient Vedic Technologies, of > Consciousness; > > > > And therefore Maharishi calls to the Media's Attention; > > > > The continued frustration with Mr.Bush, and the attitude; > > > > Of ignorance of this advanced ancient technology. > > > > Robert Gimbel > > In Regard to Maharishi's Wishes... > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > Dear Robert > > Your grasp > > Of the relationship > > Between cause and effect > > Makes me weep > > For the intelligence of TMers Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Latham Book, .......uh......jya
Both the Domash and the plane stories are hilarious!!! Group epileptic seizure... LOL!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/10/05 10:51 PM, Cliff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > *gate-crash the Kingdom of Heaven* - nice turn of phrase... > > > > I remember one particularly vivid experience, where during one of the very > > early *flying* sessions in Europe, Jay leaped to his feet, bent over and > > picked > > up a mutual friend like he was a barbell weight, held the guy up > > horizontally > > over Jay's head, and began yelling in his Southern Preacher Voice: > > *Lord!!! Heal this Sinner!!!* > > > > The whole room went beserk. I can't imagine how we were allowed to stay > > in the little town - it was truly like an insane asylum of the Middle Ages > > where > > anything (verbal) went. > > I heard from Jim Linford that on his course in Vittel there was actually a > profanity flying room where people swore like sailors the whole time. > > >And we were allowed out on walk-and-talks! I've > > never really > > considered how bizarre that must have been for the French and Swiss people - > > to hear utterly dangerously insane people screaming for hours from within > > the > > hotel, and then have these smiling (albeit somewhat pale and pasty looking) > > faces emerge briefly after lunch... :-) > > Ah, crazy flying room stories. Here's one: > > The Nicaragua group during the World Peace Project (my group was in Iran, > with Cliff) was staying in a nice hotel which continued to host other > groups. The flying room was separated from a public dining room by one of > those accordian-style dividers, which wasn't at all sound-proof. The gang > would march in there in their suits and ties, meditate and do sutras, then > many would take a bathroom break before flying. So they'd march out past the > non-meditating guests in what must have looked like pajamas. Then half an > hour of THUMP, THUMP, THUMP. Then half an hour of silence. Then back out in > their suits and ties. Everyone was under strict instructions to stifle the > desire to make vocal noises during flying. But then Larry Domash came to > visit. He was irrepressible. One of his favorite phrases was "Execute the > prisoners!" So he started shouting this during flying and as I heard the > story, this got everyone else going. > > Then there were charter plane flights where several hundred people started > flying in their seats, which appeared to the flight attendants as though a > group epileptic seizure were underway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Orleans update better than thought...
Much of New Orleans Will Be Drained by October, Officials Say By Timothy Dwyer and Jim VandeHei Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, September 11, 2005; A11 NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 10 -- Federal officials said Saturday that much of New Orleans will be drained by mid-October, nearly twice as fast as originally projected, as the obliterated city showed small but substantive signs of recovery. Decaying bodies were being collected off the streets amid other signs of slow progress throughout the city, from the restoration of power in the central business district to the reconnection of a main rail link. Water levels slowly receded, exposing the tips of fences and sides of houses that only days earlier were submerged in Katrina's wake. Bulldozers pushed away mountains of debris, and crews removed abandoned cars and trucks. Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III said order has been restored to the same streets where looting and violence were ubiquitous last week. The haunting process of finding, bagging and removing bodies intensified. Boatloads of workers combed through neighborhoods, with cadaver-sniffing dogs pointing the way. A reporter watched two Federal Emergency Management Agency employees and a half- dozen private workers pick up corpses from a ramp to Interstate 10. One body had laid rotting for at least five days, its outline marked by the black stain of drained body fluids. The workers, who smeared Vicks VapoRub underneath their noses to suppress the smell, placed the bodies in heavy body bags, zipped them up and carried them away. One FEMA worker noted how the combination of intense heat and toxic water portend an even messier cleanup of bodies to come. The overall death count remains to be determined, though officials said earlier fears that the toll could top 10,000 are now unlikely. As of Saturday, officials said there were at least 154 confirmed dead in Louisiana, a small percentage of whom have been identified, and 211 confirmed dead in Mississippi. The Bush administration said it will not prevent reporters from watching efforts to recover bodies, one day after CNN filed a suit in federal court to protest the restrictions imposed on the news media. The government will not allow photographers to accompany officials during recovery missions, however. Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, who is managing relief efforts for the federal government, said some progress is being made as more pumps are up and running to drain water out of the streets and houses. "The No. 1 challenge right now is more pumping capacity and to unwater the city of New Orleans," said Allen, after meeting with local leaders to better coordinate the work ahead and to repair relations. Just east of New Orleans, a company from Baton Rouge was setting up pumps, three so far. It plans to have as many as 30 operational soon, which could remove 900,000 gallons per minute. Just getting pumps into the region is proving a logistical nightmare, as companies scramble to find barges to ship the machines and fuel to run them. Allen said most of the city's pumps remain inoperable, complicating recovery efforts. Still, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers officials said water was being removed at a quicker pace than anticipated, which should allow some areas of New Orleans to be drained in less than 40 days. "We learned long ago not to be too optimistic in times like this. But a few days ago, we were talking about 80 days," said Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, the Corps's chief of engineers, according to the Associated Press. Allen said that he did not know how many people remain in New Orleans, dead or alive, but that he spent three and a half hours working on making the removal of bodies as "seamless as possible." Aaron Broussard, the president of Jefferson Parish who has been critical of the federal response, said Allen, who on Friday replaced FEMA Director Michael D. Brown as President Bush's point man, should improve relief efforts. "A great decision has been made at the top of this country today, and that is to put a military commander with military experience in charge of one of the most dramatic restorations probably in American history," he said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
Do you think the people would prefer no jobs, Shemp? Wal-Mart is what it is. It doesn't pretend to be the road to riches for anyone. It provides a solid entry-level or 2nd income source for a huge number of Americans. Would you prefer they all be on welfare instead? How about you, Shemp? How many employees do you have? What benefits do you offer? Set up a 401K for your folks yet? Medical insurance? Sniping is so much easier when you don't have to actually do anything that you criticize. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/05 7:22:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > Heard a piece on NPR this afternoon driving home PRAISING Wal- > Mart > > for the work they did during the hurricane. Appears that Wal-Mart > has such a great distribution system in place that they were able > to get staples to the people in times and places when the government > > agencies weren't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those mean nasty Wal-Mart people that pay minimum wage and > aren't union! > > > > And no benefits, either. > > What do you mean "no benefits"...they get 1/2 of their FICA tax paid > by Wal-Mart...that should be enough... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
*gate-crash the Kingdom of Heaven* - nice turn of phrase... I remember one particularly vivid experience, where during one of the very early *flying* sessions in Europe, Jay leaped to his feet, bent over and picked up a mutual friend like he was a barbell weight, held the guy up horizontally over Jay's head, and began yelling in his Southern Preacher Voice: *Lord!!! Heal this Sinner!!!* The whole room went beserk. I can't imagine how we were allowed to stay in the little town - it was truly like an insane asylum of the Middle Ages where anything (verbal) went. And we were allowed out on walk-and-talks! I've never really considered how bizarre that must have been for the French and Swiss people - to hear utterly dangerously insane people screaming for hours from within the hotel, and then have these smiling (albeit somewhat pale and pasty looking) faces emerge briefly after lunch... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was > > quite some time before the course where he related the experience to > > Maharishi. > > > > I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long > rounding > > courses with him. He was one of the most manic-depressive > > people I've ever known. The force of his personality was > remarkable, in > > both its upswings and its downs. >> > > This last sentance described Jay very well, but he needed to kill his > ego and not his life. He was remarkable, and some of his stories from > the Himalayas and other experiences were some of the most electrifying > and evocative I have ever heard from a seeker. He tried to gate-crash > the Kingdom of Heaven and almost succeeded. > > Off_world Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sue The Feds??For/Lack of Preparedness In New Orleans?'
Can you be sued for really bad poetry? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible to sue the Federal Government; > > I don't know; > > But, the Feds are certainly responsible; > > For not protecting the levees; > > As well as an evacuation plan; > > For the mostly African-Americans; > > Whose ancestors were traded,as cattle; > > By the thousands, down in New Orleans; > > 'All those years ago'... > > The many African Americans; > > That have served our country; > > Many who fought in wars? > > To defend the U.S. > > And they suffered again, needlessly, > > Sure, by the natural storm; > > But more, by betrayal; > > At all levels of the Federal Government. > > It is obvious, the degree of incompetence; > > There is no way to hide our eyes, now... > > At least a 'Class Action Suit' > > Should, be brought against the Federal Agencies; > > Which are responsible; > > For the irresponsible conduct, > > in regard to this whole matter. > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic-depressive people I've ever known. The force of his personality was remarkable, in both its upswings and its downs. He would preach the absolute horrible evils of associating with women and sex to a whole course one month, and then six months get married. Poor woman - my now ex-wife and I spent a few days consoling her when they showed up on our doorstep on their wedding night with Jay asking for his own room so he could lock her out to protect himself from his *horrible, sinful weakness*. I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't doubt that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I think he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization for Jay. I wish his soul well, and, in particular, wish his soul peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and > > shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). > > Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and > > continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew > > Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, > > for the unbearable problems he encountered later). > > I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course > where he related this experience to Maharishi? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005
1. No, TM would not have been able to save the world, no matter what M did. I thought otherwise for many years, but now believe I was far too naive. 2. No, Amma doesn't have the organizational skills needed to spread a technique globally. 3. There is no one technique that can "save the world", and therefore the Dalai Lama also cannot do it. Clear enough answers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > MMY is being explicit about the failure. You and > > > > > Barry are blaming him for it. > > > > > > > > > > But which of these two are you blaming him for? > > > > > > > > > > 1. He thought it could be done, but he was wrong. > > > > > > > > > > 2. It *could* have been done, but he failed to do it.>>> > > > > > > > > Neither: > > > > 3. If it could be done, has he done it the right way? > > > > Answer: Half of what he did was genius. Half of what he did > > > > was .wellstupid. > > > > This is the Enigma of Maharishi tha Rick often talks about. > > > > > > Yeah, but what I'm asking is whether you believe it > > > could have been done if he'd done it 100 percent > > > "the right way." > > > > Mount Everest is an unpredictable place. > > If George Mallory made his climb 100% 'the right way' in 1924, > > would he have successfully ascended and descended the mountain > alive? > > > > Mallory probably climbed the best he could, and intelligently, but > > for other climbers of Everest, wether one makes it or not, is no > > excuse for doing stupid stuff on the way updue to arrogance > > perhaps? > > Yow. Why is it so tough to get a straight answer > here? I'm not asking whether there's an excuse > for doing stupid stuff on the way up. I'm asking > whether TM really would have been able to save the > world if MMY hadn't screwed up. > > If it were Amma who had dreamed up TM, would she > have been able to do it right? > > How about the Dalai Lama? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why bail out people who insist on living in dangerous areas?
The geopolitical strategy article I posted here that Judy refers to pointed out that you can't have a port without a city. You need the whole infrastructure of gas station attendants and car mechanics and bakers, and bartenders, and real estate brokers, etc., etc. Due to its geographic location as the gateway to and from the vast agricultural and industrial resources of the US Midwest, the prime industry of New Orleans will always be a port (or at least until really cheap anti-gravity drive is invented which will put ships out of business), but you can't have a large prime industry without the whole supporting infrstructure. Humans wouldn't live in a such a mono-color environment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ports yes. City, no. I also think it is nuts to have a city where San > Francisco is and I live in the Bay Area. It should be warehouses and > docks. That wouldn't be pretty but so aren't skyscrapers swaying in a > 7.0 earthquake. > > > authfriend wrote: > > >Y'all really should read the article Cliff posted > >here a day or two ago explaining why we must have > >a city where New Orleans is. Not rebuilding it > >isn't an option. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Because much of that land is probably owned by Republican property > >>owners who will lose their shirts and whine like babies if they are > >>told they can't rebuild there. > >> > >>shempmcgurk wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Why? > >>>by Robert Anderson > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >>>One tends to have a different perspective toward feelings of > >>>compassion and guilt when the cost of building a below-sea-level > >>>city next to a hurricane-prone ocean is coming out of the pockets > >>>of people who have chosen to live out their lives on high ground > >>>out of the path of an angry sea. > >>> > >>>So, why do it? > >>> > >>> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
Of course there's not. Large economies end up averaging out - competition forces them to. But an idealogue never lets facts cloud an issue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/10/05 3:20:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I'd say it's a draw, actually. They're taking > > > some of the profits they made by screwing low- > > > income folks > > > > How do they "screw low-income folks"...by providing goods and > > services at prices much lower than the next retailer? > > Oh, lots of ways, but the context here was their > low wages. > > > Are Wal-Mart wages that much lower than other wages of jobs with the same > description? Are Wal-Mart wages any different than say Target or K-Mart or > even > most mom and pop retail businesses? Serious question, I don't know. It's > hard to imagine there would be much difference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
It's Vedic Math. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/10/05 3:03:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I'd say it's a draw, actually. . > > Sorta like stealing a dollar from a blind man's > cup and depositing a nickel of it in the cup of > another blind man down the street. > > > > That's a draw? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Contract
Damn... and here I thought Telecom contracts were one-sided. Mine from La Antilla was quite a bit simpler, but had the same thrust. This one is just plain sad and a bit depressing to read. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ingegard sent me this and I scanned it. I havenât had a chance to spell > check it. This is the agreement she signed when she became a TM teacher. > > Agreement for Associates of Maharishi Vedic University > between > Stichting Maharishi Foundation International - Maharishi Vedic University > P, O. Box 272, NL 6300 AG Valkenburg aan de GeuI, The Netherlands, > in the following referred to as "MVU", > and > Family name: > First and middle names: > Postal code: .._._._l's?>..S... Town:..._ > Country: .../>lS2.!5..~/.^£.-..-.- Telephone number > in the following called "the Associate" > Preamble > As specified in detail below in this Agreementthe Associate will be > performing the Activities in the following Aspects) of Maharishj's Vedic > Science [ tick the relevant Aspect(s), and strike out those that are not > relevant by drawing a horizontal line tttrough each, as shown in this > example: 5- 4. Maharisht-Yojur Vac's ]: > Oa 1. Transcendental Meditation 13 4. Maharishi Yajur Veda r'7. > Maharishi DhanurVeda SFlO. Maharishi Kalpa E" 13. Maharishi Chhanda 09 16. > Maharishi Vaisheshika IB'13, Maharishi Karma Mimamsa S'22. Maharishi Smritf > 13" 25. Maharishi Brahmana EET28. Maharishi Prafehakhya > t2"3l. Maharisht Supreme Political Science £3 33, Maharishi Vedic Management > B 35. Maharishi Vedic Approach to Health GT37. Maharishi Vedic Vibration > Technology > a.ManarishiRikVeda 5. Maharishi Atharva Veda 8. Maharishi Gandharva Veda > 11. Maharishi Vyakarana > 14. Maharishi Jyotish > 17. Maharishi Sankhya '20. Maharishi Vedanta > 23. Maharishi Purana '26. Maharishi Aranyaka > 23. Maharishi Yagya > 0 3. Maharishi Sama Veda Q- 6. Maharishi Sthapatya Veda 13 9i Maharishi > Shiksha IB'12, Maharishi Nirukta B 15. Maharishi Nyaya S 1 SI Maharishi Yoga > 03 21. Maharishi Ayur-Veda E3" 24. Maharishi Itihasa E"27. Maharishi > Upanishad B'30. Maharishi Veda Land > p 32. Maharishi Heaven on Harth.Devefopment Programme '34. Maharishi > Corporate Development Programme ^36. Maharishi University of Management > Facufty Development Programme > Article 1 - Declaration of Mutual Understanding between the Parties > At the time of signing this Agreement the accord that the main purpose of > entering trie Agreement, is to ensure ."n ail respects, that the owledge, > information, and methods which hereafter kne referred to collectively as > "Maharishi's Vedic Science" fconfer Article 2, Subsection 1, Paragraph A), > in perpetuÂity can be preserved in its complete and undistorted fcrm, and be > imparted and practically applied in conformity with soecific or general > instructions by MVU and its Affiliates, The Parties consider Maharishi's > Vedic Science and its various Aspects to represent a completely unique > theoÂretical and practical knowledge, which has not been available for > mankind in its integrated and holistic form for millennia. They concur that > the practical ability of this knowledge to generate the beneficial results > for the indiÂvidual and the society, that have been confirmed by perÂsonal > experience and scientific research, exclusively deÂpends on the > authenticity, integrity, and wholeness of both the knowledge and the > procedures for its applicaÂtion; and they agree on the paramount importance > of r^ ^serving these qualities that have been restored to the Ljwledge in > this generation only due. to the extensive work and efforts of MVU and its > Affiliates under the guidÂance of His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The > ParÂties acknowledge that MVU and its associated individuals and > organizations have invested considerable amounts of time and finances in > restoring the knowledge of Maharishi's Vedic Science, and that .this fact > contributes to the importance of preserving the authenticity and inÂtegrity > of the know/edge and the teaching procedures. The Associate and MVU further > agree that the general laws of society as of to-day do not offer sufficient > specific protection for the theory and practical application of Maharishi's > Vedic Science thereby creating a need for this detailed Agreement to > supplement the general legisÂlation. > Subsection 2 MVU greatly appreciates the Associate's decision to take upon > himself the responsibility to be a leader in his society by making > Maharishi's Vedic Sci- > ence available to the population in his area as described in this Agreement. > The Associate understands that he will only be accepted to become or to > continue being active and/or to train with MVU and its Affiliates, if he > agrees tc participate without any reservation in protecting the authenticity > of the knowledge of Maharishi's Vedic SciÂence in accord with the scheme > l
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
Really? Gosh, hadn't noticed.. :-) Thought maybe that was her way of saying, "No, I don't have any employees and never have had, so I really have no clue about running a business, and therefore my opinions on related matters aren't worth very much." But then I'm just guessing... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Do you have any employees, Judy? If so, what do you pay them? > if > > > not, why don't you do more for your community by starting a > business > > > and employing people? > > > > Do you have any *brains*? If not, why don't you see > > if you can locate some and have them installed? > > She gets real snippy whenever anyone has her cornered. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
You sweet thing, you... Your gentleness and compassion are truly remarkable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Do you have any employees, Judy? If so, what do you pay them? if > > not, why don't you do more for your community by starting a business > > and employing people? > > Do you have any *brains*? If not, why don't you see > if you can locate some and have them installed? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
Do you have any employees, Judy? If so, what do you pay them? if not, why don't you do more for your community by starting a business and employing people? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/9/05 7:22:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Heard a piece on NPR this afternoon driving home PRAISING Wal-Mart > > for the work they did during the hurricane. Appears that Wal-Mart > > has such a great distribution system in place that they were able > > to get staples to the people in times and places when the > > government agencies weren't. > > > > Those mean nasty Wal-Mart people that pay minimum wage and aren't > > union! > > And therefore have a lot of extra profit they can > use to garner good PR in a situation like this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...
Galveston Hurricane estimates range from 4,000 to 11,000 dead. Clearly no one really knows. Sept 8, 1900 was before anyone could predict hurricanes or give more than a few hours' warning. When your city lies 8 to 9 feet above sea level and the storm surge is 15 feet topped by 20 foot waves, you're in trouble. That was Galveston's situation. Utterly destroyed. But it was completely rebuilt in fairly short order and is now very well protected by a massive seawall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/9/05 1:15:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Cliff wrote: > The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as first > > feared..., > > > But for weeks now we've been told by the mayor of New Orleans and the > governor of Louisinana that the death toll could reach into the > thousands - the worst storm to ever hit the U.S.A. What's the death > toll now and how does that compare with previous hurricanes to hit the > mainland? > > > > > Over four thousand died in the Hurricane in 1900 that hit Galveston Texas. > Seems I have heard higher figures, but 4,000 is the most recent I remember > hear > ing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005
Sounds like a species in Star Wars... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > I suspect it's one of his > > quasi-gnomic statements > > I love this. "Quasi-gnomic." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart
LOL!! Did they deliver staplers as well? Sorry, couldn't resist... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heard a piece on NPR this afternoon driving home PRAISING Wal-Mart for > the work they did during the hurricane. Appears that Wal-Mart has > such a great distribution system in place that they were able to get > staples to the people in times and places when the government agencies > weren't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of Guru only...Was[Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?]
Sorry, but *One Almighty* neither implies one door, nor His, nor one keyhole, nor one key. Even though there might be one ocean, there are many different rivers that flow into it, and an infinite number of places one can enter those many rivers, and a wide variety of completely acceptable craft to navigate the rivers on the journey. Your drone of *one and only* gives me even more pause than the original quote. Your logic is faulty. Pretensions to supreme knowledge dressed up in profound-sounding words only end up being words, in the end. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now > > is, "And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that?" Then, > > "Was he asking for donations in the next breath?" > > This feeling of sour stomach is one of the sad results from one such as the > leader of the > TMO. > Disbelief in all what Veda has laid down. > > > > > Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an "only means". And > > the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way. > > If there is only One Almighty, then it seems there would be only one door to > enter His > domain, therefore just one keyhole with which only one key would fit. Who's > going to give > you that key? > > God is Guru..Guru is God. > > Who gets anything other that what they deserve? > Perhaps someday a Divine antacid will come your way. > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion
Let's assume you're correct, although I don't think you are. They why do you object to people being free to take a job or not, depending on what they're offered? If not enough is offered, the rebuilding won't happen. If enough is offered, it will. I do not understand your objection at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > It allows people to be employed who won't have ANY job if high > minimum- > > wage guidelines are enforced. This will be particularly helpful in > getting > > teenagers or early-20s people who have little skills back to at > least some > > useful work. > > > > No teenagers or low-skill workers are going to be involved in > rebuilding a disaster-area. You need your very best to handle the > demands. I mean, they're going to be buildingin a contaminated swamp > where living quarters will likely be miles from theworksite. you > don't do OJT in emergency conditions. > > > > I think it's a great move, and I believe I understand the economics > behind > > it. Is it possible that you oppose it simply because Bush proposed > it? > > Is it possible you've missed that this is a disaster relief and > rebuilding effort, not a $500 million pork-bridge in Alaska? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: "The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here"
I like to think of myself as an observer and commentator, but not an apologist. I try to describe what I see and experience and draw conclusions from the same, not paying too much attention to what the *accepted wisdom* is on any given topic. I think our ability to work together in large organizations is critical to much of what we, as a species, have come to enjoy. It's also produced many of our most difficult challenges. But humans overwhelmingly vote for what only large, stable, long-lived organizations (business, education, government, etc.) can provide. And we have for thousands of years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you're a big business apologist. :) > > Cliff wrote: > > >There are many corporations of much larger than 200 people who can > >trace their existence back hundreds of years. Your implication that only > >a *fool* or a *megalomaniac* would ever take on the task of leading such > >an entity betrays your intense anti-business bias, I would suggest, and has > >very little to do with reality. > > > > > I've been a manager in company, have you? I know the reality very > well. Company size was an issue of intense discussion. We watched as > the company CEO fell out of control when it was taken public and grew to > over 400 people. We also saw this happen with other companies. > > In my case I wound up with 24 people in my group to manage. Now anyone > who knows anything about management that it is difficult to manage a > group of any more than 8 people. This has been recognized in the > military for years. I had to create yet another layer of management > with 3-4 managers under me of those 24. But it is also a good idea to > keep the number of layers low. In its better days Hewlett-Packard was > considered a great place to work because they only had 3 levels of > hierarchy. > > >If big business is so horrible and run by such truly awful people, why do > >you drive a car? Why do you fly in airplanes? Why do you use dish-washers > >and vacuum cleaners? Why do you shop in grocery stores rather than pluck > >your own weeds? Every day you willingly, gladly and completely unthink- > >ingly use thousands of products which could only have been produced by > >long-lived, stable, efficient companies of vastly more than 200 people. > > > > > > > These days a lot of these things are assembled from stuff supplied by > smaller companies. It's been that way for some time. I'm not saying > that every large business does that but many do. > > Also when we have smaller companies then they employ more people and > employment becomes less of a problem. People enjoy working in smaller > companies than large ones as the retain their identity and know more of > the people they work with. > > Then we have the issue of corporations which have become psychopathic > and destructive to the society and the environment. It would be far > better to limit corporation size, rights and life span as we did in the > US prior to the Civil War. > > Some of this psychopathic behavior is due to companies going public. > They begin to work for the investor and not the customer. Often doing > so they lose what made them successful in the first place. There is a > saying, "before going public you work for dollars. After going public > you work for quarters." > > Have a nice time working at Wal-Mart. ;-) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: "The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here"
There are many corporations of much larger than 200 people who can trace their existence back hundreds of years. Your implication that only a *fool* or a *megalomaniac* would ever take on the task of leading such an entity betrays your intense anti-business bias, I would suggest, and has very little to do with reality. If big business is so horrible and run by such truly awful people, why do you drive a car? Why do you fly in airplanes? Why do you use dish-washers and vacuum cleaners? Why do you shop in grocery stores rather than pluck your own weeds? Every day you willingly, gladly and completely unthink- ingly use thousands of products which could only have been produced by long-lived, stable, efficient companies of vastly more than 200 people. Bashing big business is so sophomoric. You would prefer the Middle Ages, I assume? For what - the fresh air? Outside of cities, perhaps, but the stench and filth in cities came WAY before big business. For the educational opportunities? Big smile on that one. For the simplicity of life? Well, 80% of people dying by age 5 and most of the rest dying by age 30 does cut down on the number of choices one has to make, so life was simpler in that respect. Yes, there are many examples of bad apples in big business. There are even more examples of bad apples who are loners. So what? Look what you choose by essentially every action you take, including looking at this website which involves the intense cooperation of hundreds of different large business entities, and see what your actions say about your feelings. Drop the posturing, please. It's sort of like Maharishi nattering on about how horrible western medicine is when he would have died multiple times already without it. Totally undercuts the argument. There is ALWAYS something that can be improved in any situation. Always. I think that focusing on that makes way more sense than bitching about things that obviously work so well that you perpetually choose them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From what I've seen it is pretty difficult to manage a company much > larger than 200. Beyond that things seem to spin out of control. > However, we seem to have lots of fools and megalomaniacs that are > willing to attempt the chore. > > Cliff wrote: > > >You've clearly never run even a small corporation, Robert, much > >less a large one. Otherwise you'd realize what a crushing > >sense of responsibility that is for any CEO who takes their > >job seriously. > > > >Learn before commenting. Otherwise you sound pretty dumb... > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > >>George must think, he's a CEO of a large corporation; > >> > >>And that he's really not responsible for anything: > >> > >>Because in a corporation, you can pass the buck, literally, > >> > >>And quite easily, > >> > >>Right? > >> > >>Robert Gimbel > >> > >> > >>- > >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005
No one has ever said karma is instant that I recall hearing, and in any case, all actions are possible to justify if one tries hard enough. *Well, since you all are so stupid as to keep giving us money when we've clearly lied to you over and over again, we don't get bad karma from doing this. We're just the agents of your own karma trying to teach you to pay attention and quit believing con men and frauds. We promise that once you finally wake up and figure out what's been happening that we won't ever do it again.* *But we will keep the money.* *Part of the process of making sure you REALLY understand the lesson...* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ---Peter wrote: > > > > --- Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Note: forwarded message attached. > >> > >> The Luck of the World > >> > >> Global Press Conference, 24.8.05 > >> > >> MAHARISHI: > >> > >> We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are trying to gather (big > >> groups) > >> very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t allow us to light the big > >> lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness simply disappears. > >> It > >> is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But still I am hopeful. I > >> am > >> continuing... > >> > > Well gee, Maharishi. MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T STEAL > > ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO YOUR > > PUNDIT PROJECTS, BIG GROUPS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY > > GOTTEN TOGETHER. > > Funny, but I've never consider the ethical or karmic ramifications > of Maharishi's nephews skimming all that money for their own > purposes. In Maharishi's universe, where entire nations are > subject to instant karma, shouldn't the nephews be burning > in hell or something? > > If they're not suffering, can we presume that (1) karma isn't instant, > or (2) they didn't take the money? > > - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now is, "And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that?" Then, "Was he asking for donations in the next breath?" Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an "only means". And the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...
That's been my point for a while - touting HUGE numbers of deaths is a great political play, particularly when you're trying desperately to point the blame finger away from yourself. More input: Katrina death toll still a question Sep 8, 10:34 PM (ET) By Jim Loney BATON ROUGE, La., Sept 8 - Estimates of the death toll from Hurricane Katrina have run as high as 10,000 but the actual body count so far is much lower and officials who feared the worst now hope the dire predictions were wrong. The recovery of Katrina's victims speeded up in the last two days. As of Thursday, Mississippi had recorded 201 deaths and Louisiana 118, while other affected states had much lower numbers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cliff wrote: > The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as first > > feared..., > > > But for weeks now we've been told by the mayor of New Orleans and the > governor of Louisinana that the death toll could reach into the > thousands - the worst storm to ever hit the U.S.A. What's the death > toll now and how does that compare with previous hurricanes to hit the > mainland? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saved Through Dzogchen
They did get hit by a quake, Richard. Sometime in the mid-1970's. Killed somewhere between 250,000 and 750,000 people, but was well covered up by the Communist government. Shit happens. Karma happens. Ends up pretty much the same. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vaj wrote: > > "All of these problems are the gathering of karma." > > > So, Vaj, do you agree with the Rinpoche that all the problems in the > Katrina castrophe are the fault of the people and their karma? If the > theory of karma is real, then why didn't the Chinese get hit by an > earthquake, since they decimated the Tibetans? > > Do you guys actually read this stuff BEFORE you post it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...
New Orleans death toll may not be "catastrophic" Sep 09 12:31 PM US/Eastern NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as first feared, the top Homeland Security official there said on Friday. "There's some encouragement in the initial sweeps. Some of the catastrophic deaths some people have predicted may not have occurred," Col. Terry Ebbert, director of Homeland Security for the city of New Orleans said at a news conference. "The numbers so far are relatively minor as compared with the dire predictions of 10,000." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion
It allows people to be employed who won't have ANY job if high minimum- wage guidelines are enforced. This will be particularly helpful in getting teenagers or early-20s people who have little skills back to at least some useful work. I think it's a great move, and I believe I understand the economics behind it. Is it possible that you oppose it simply because Bush proposed it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It gets ever more-insane. Hey Bush defenders, what's the rationale > > for THIS one? > > > > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx? > > type=globalNews&storyID=2005-09- > 08T233912Z_01_SPI885129_RTRUKOC_0_US- > > BUSH-WAGES.xml&archived=False > > > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush issued an executive > > order on Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the > > aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage. > > Guess he didn't read the last part of Stossel's piece > about the heroic price-gougers: > > "If this were a totalitarian country, the government might just order > a bunch of tradesmen to go to New Orleans. But in a free society, > those tradesmen must be persuaded to leave their homes and families, > leave their employers and customers, and drive from say, Wisconsin, > to take work in New Orleans. If they can't make more money in > Louisiana than Wisconsin, why would they make the trip? > > "Some may be motivated by a desire to be heroic, but we can't expect > enough heroes to fill the need, week after week; most will travel > there for the same reason most Americans go to work: to make money. > Any tradesman who treks to a disaster area must get higher pay than > he would get in his hometown, or he won't do the trek. Limit him to > what his New Orleans colleagues charged before the storm, and even a > would-be hero may say, "the heck with it." > > "If he charges enough to justify his venture, he's likely to be > condemned morally or legally by the very people he's trying to help. > But they just don't understand basic economics. Force prices down, > and you keep suppliers out. Let the market work, suppliers come -- > and competition brings prices as low as the challenges of the > disaster allow. Goods that were in short supply become available, > even to the poor." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall
Called putting your assets to good use... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from the New York Times: > > Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the > distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French > Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a > unusual way to make sure that police officers > regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a > bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles > that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic. > > http://tinyurl.com/dshvd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group
LOL!! Great literature in the making... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at > > > > each other has become the norm. > > > > > > Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think > > > that. > > > > Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look > > at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post > > 5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598. > > HA! It is you who is without clue! You left off > the ' in "doesn't." How can anyone put any faith > in what someone says who can't even spell? You are > obviously a CIA stooge planted here to foment dissat- > isfaction in the TM ranks...we can tell because of > your fondness for capital letters...probably a habit > developed in a bureaucracy that thinks in acronyms. > > As I pointed out in my post 3.14159265358979323846, > and in several other posts in which I thoroughly > demolished your arguments and pointed out the flaws > in your logic and exposed your phoniness, your incon- > sistency and your lies (not to mention your tiny dick), > you are not a relable source of information. Go back > to Langley, you rakshasa poo-poo head! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: "The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here"
You've clearly never run even a small corporation, Robert, much less a large one. Otherwise you'd realize what a crushing sense of responsibility that is for any CEO who takes their job seriously. Learn before commenting. Otherwise you sound pretty dumb... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George must think, he's a CEO of a large corporation; > > And that he's really not responsible for anything: > > Because in a corporation, you can pass the buck, literally, > > And quite easily, > > Right? > > Robert Gimbel > > > - > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Karmic Response'/'We Invade Iraq'/'Mother Nature Slams Us?'
Yes, Judy. Have a good night. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Judy - you don't know me well. If you did, I suspect you'd know > > that I usually pay VERY close attention and am not known for fuzzy > > thought. > > Well, you seem to be slipping up pretty badly > where I'm concerned. > > Of > > course, there is the vanishingly slim possibility that you use those > > pejoratives merely to try and gain some silly arguing advantage? > > But you wouldn't do that, now, would you? > > Actually, no, I'm just pointing out that you're > way off base. > > > What was that I was saying about your sharply pointed tongue being > > ever in evidence? Thanks for providing such a perfect example. > > > > My original comments were quite intentional, and, I believe, quite > > accurate. > > Oh, I'm sure you believe they were accurate; I doubt > you'd have made them otherwise. Trouble is, you > accused me of trying to stir things up in reply to > a post in which that is manifestly not what I was > doing. > > And then there was this-- > > > > And > > > > there is nothing I can imagine President Bush ever doing or not > > > > doing that she wouldn't condemn with all the considerable skill > > > > behind her sharply pointed tongue. > > --which is the fuzziest thinking I've come across > in a while here. Either that, or you have an > exceedingly limited imagination. > > With very little difficulty, for example, I can > imagine Bush keeping James Lee Witt as head of > FEMA because of the splendid job he'd done of > reforming the decrepit agency and turning it into > a model of good management. > > I can imagine Bush flying immediately to New > Orleans after the hurricane and giving a pep talk > like he did at ground zero after 9/11, then > following through with an eagle eye to make sure > the relief effort was going as it should. > > These would have earned high praise from me. > > I could go on, but those two examples should suffice. > > You seem to think I somehow object to Bush as a > person, regardless of what he does or doesn't do. > But that doesn't make any sense. > > I said earlier that I wouldn't care if Bush believed > he was God's messenger to humanity as long as he > behaved like a real man of God and cared for the poor > and the oppressed and pursued peace and justice. > Perhaps you missed that post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
I know you don't care, but I do feel sorry for you. I've lived all over the world, had deep friends and a few lovers from many races. The fact that Mr. X felt a particular way doesn't make it reality, Tom. Whatever wound it is that has caused you to deny so much of humanity is a widely shared wound. It doesn't mean you're right. By the way - the word zeal very accurately describes your feelings on the topic. *Enthusiastic devotion to a cause, ideal, or goal.* Fits you to a T. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general > > hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or twice > and > > it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him > only > > seems to encourage his zeal. > > > > My feeling about the races is not a zeal. I believe no different than > presidents Harry Truman and Abraham Lincoln about the races. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Karmic Response'/'We Invade Iraq'/'Mother Nature Slams Us?'
Judy - you don't know me well. If you did, I suspect you'd know that I usually pay VERY close attention and am not known for fuzzy thought. Of course, there is the vanishingly slim possibility that you use those pejoratives merely to try and gain some silly arguing advantage? But you wouldn't do that, now, would you? What was that I was saying about your sharply pointed tongue being ever in evidence? Thanks for providing such a perfect example. My original comments were quite intentional, and, I believe, quite accurate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > As you've no doubt noticed, Judy LOVES to stir the waters. > > Uh, Cliff, you're not paying attention. What's quoted > below from me was originally part of my response to > a post of *Willytex* in which he had very selectively > quoted some numbers favoring Bush from a CNN report on > a poll. In reply, I then cited several other figures > from the *same* report, the *same* poll, that weren't > as positive, for a little balance. > > It's post number 71656 if you'd like to verify this. > > And > > there is nothing I can imagine President Bush ever doing or not > > doing that she wouldn't condemn with all the considerable skill > > behind her sharply pointed tongue. > > Well, not only do you not pay attention, you don't > think real clearly either. I suppose the two go > together. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > jstein wrote: > > > > "Forty-two percent of respondents characterized President Bush's > > > > response to the disaster as "bad" or "terrible," while 35 > percent > > > > said it was "good" or "great."" > > > > > > > So most Americans surveyed in the poll don't blame the President, > or > > > race, or sexual perversion factors in the rescue, but you insist > on > > > playing the politics card, the race card, and the sexual > perversion > > > card, and now the poll card. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oops...
What's the biggest thing you've ever organized in your life, Judy? Did it involved more than 10 people? More than 100? Did it last longer than a few hours? And I mean responsible for - not just helped send out invitations to. What are you doing to positively contribute to this disaster? Certainly sniping from the sidelines doesn't count, at least not in my book. Have you contributed money? Have you opened your home to a refugee? Have you sent clothing or food? I've done the first and the third, and decided I wasn't comfortable with the second. I hope you remember to keep the poison on your tongue from running down your own throat. You might not be as immune to its effects as you think. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right city, wrong state > FEMA accused of flying evacuees to wrong Charleston > > (CNN) > > Add geography to the growing list of FEMA fumbles. > > A South Carolina health official said his colleagues scrambled > Tuesday when FEMA gave only a half-hour notice to prepare for the > arrival of a plane carrying as many as 180 evacuees to Charleston. > > But the plane, instead, landed in Charleston, West Virginia, 400 > miles away. > > It was not known whether arrangements have been made to care for the > evacuees or transport them to the correct destination. > > A call seeking comment from FEMA was not immediately returned. > > "We called in all the available resources," said Dr. John Simkovich, > director of public health for the South Carolina Department of Health > and Environmental Control. > > "They responded within 30 minutes, which is phenomenal, to meet the > needs of the citizens coming in from Louisiana," he said. > > Simkovich said that the agency had described some of the evacuees as > needing "some minor treatment ... possibly some major treatment." > > "Unfortunately, the plane did not come in," Simkovich said. "There > was a mistake in the system, coming out through FEMA, that we did not > receive the aircraft this afternoon. It went to Charleston, West > Virginia." > > A line of buses and ambulances idled behind him at Charleston > International Airport as he described what happened. > > "This is a 'no event' for today," Simkovich said. > > Find this article at: > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.charleston/index.html? > section=cnn_latest Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Karmic Response'/'We Invade Iraq'/'Mother Nature Slams Us?'
As you've no doubt noticed, Judy LOVES to stir the waters. And there is nothing I can imagine President Bush ever doing or not doing that she wouldn't condemn with all the considerable skill behind her sharply pointed tongue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > jstein wrote: > > "Forty-two percent of respondents characterized President Bush's > > response to the disaster as "bad" or "terrible," while 35 percent > > said it was "good" or "great."" > > > So most Americans surveyed in the poll don't blame the President, or > race, or sexual perversion factors in the rescue, but you insist on > playing the politics card, the race card, and the sexual perversion > card, and now the poll card. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I never contested man's inhumanity to man (and woman), but the very large number you presented still seems high. I agree that the monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) are all incredibly bloodthirsty and have killed off millions of humans. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/7/05 10:16 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You disapoint me, Vaj, with the transparency of your fabrication. I thought > > you had more integrity than that. It would have been completely > > acceptable to me if you'd said you had heard these figures, but really > > had nothing to back them up. It's clear you're just bullshitting now. > > > > As I said, disappointing... > > > Hi Cliff: > > Here is one of the articles I had read. > > -V. > > > > Was There an Islamic "Genocide" of Hindus? > by Dr. Koenraad Elst > > > "The Partition Holocaust": the term is frequently used in Hindu pamphlets > concerning Islam and the birth of its modern political embodiment in the > Subcontinent, the state of Pakistan. Is such language warranted, or is it a > ridicule-inviting exaggeration? > > To give an idea of the context of this question, we must note that the term > "genocide" is used very loosely these days. One of the charges by a Spanish > judge against Chilean ex-dictator Pinochet, so as to get him extradited from > Great Britain in autumn 1998, was "genocide". This was his way of making > Pinochet internationally accountable for having killed a few Spanish > citizens: alleging a crime serious enough to overrule normal constraints > based on diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty. Yet, whatever > Pinochet's crimes, it is simply ridiculous to charge that he ever intended > to exterminate the Spanish nation. In the current competition for victim > status, all kinds of interest groups are blatantly overbidding in order to > get their piece of the entitlement to attention and solidarity. > > The Nazi Holocaust killed the majority of European Jewry (an estimated 5.1 > million according to Raul Hilberg, 5.27 million according to the > Munich-based Institut für Zeitgeschichte) and about 30% of the Jewish people > worldwide. How many victim groups can say as much? The Partition pogroms > killed hardly 0.3% of the Hindus, and though it annihilated the Hindu > presence in all the provinces of Pakistan except for parts of Sindh and East > Bengal, it did so mostly by putting the Hindus to flight (at least seven > million) rather than by killing them (probably half a million). Likewise, > the ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Hindus from Kashmir in 1990 > followed the strategy of "killing one to expel a hundred", which is not the > same thing as killing them all; in practice, about 1,500 were killed. > Partition featured some local massacres of genocidal type, with the Sikhs as > the most wanted victims, but in relative as well as absolute figures, this > does not match the Holocaust. > > Among genocides, the Holocaust was a very special case (e.g. the attempt to > carry it out in secrecy is unique), and it serves no good purpose to blur > that specificity by extending the term to all genocides in general. The term > ³Holocaust², though first used in a genocidal sense to describe the Armenian > genocide of 1915, is now in effect synonymous with the specifically Jewish > experience at the hands of the Nazis in 1941-45. But does even the more > general term "genocide" apply to what Hinduism suffered at the hands of > Islam? > > > Complete genocide > > "Genocide" means the intentional attempt to destroy an ethnic community, or > by extension any community constituted by bonds of kinship, of common > religion or ideology, of common socio-economic position, or of common race. > The pure form is the complete extermination of every man, woman and child of > the group. Examples include the complete extermination of the native > Tasmanians and many Amerindian nations from Patagonia to Canada by European > settlers in the 16th-19th century. The most notorious attempt was the Nazi > "final solution of the Jewish question" in 1941-45. In April-May 1994, Hutu > militias in Rwanda went about slaughtering the Tutsi minority, killing ca. > 800,000, in anticipation of the conquest of their country by a Uganda-based > Tutsi army. Though improvised and executed with primitive weapons, the > Rwandan genocide made more victims per day than the Holocaust. > > Hindus suffered such attempted extermination in East Bengal in 1971, when > the Pakistani Army killed 1 to 3 million people,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or twice and it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him only seems to encourage his zeal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > bostonbob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
You disapoint me, Vaj, with the transparency of your fabrication. I thought you had more integrity than that. It would have been completely acceptable to me if you'd said you had heard these figures, but really had nothing to back them up. It's clear you're just bullshitting now. As I said, disappointing... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/7/05 8:21 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it > > contradicts > > anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own > > feelings on the subject? Any historical references? > > > > Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to > > dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of > > real information. > > Perhaps when I have some time, I can do your research for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I'm sympathetic, Vaj, but so far I see nothing but hearsay, and it contradicts anything I've ever read. Do you have anything other than your own feelings on the subject? Any historical references? Otherwise, the figure is so large and so unsupported that I have to dismiss it as something you have personaly concocted in a vacuum of real information. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/7/05 7:38 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were > > responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible > > for > > defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip > > off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. > > Yeah, they destroyed many of the tantras. Of the 84 tantras, only a few > survive. > > > > > But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large > > number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the > > reading > > I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, > > which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention > > of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl > > emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. > > It is a ballpark figure, because it would be impossible to know for certain. > I've heard figures as high as 80 million and as low as 60--so I *assume* a > more median figure. Therefore my assumption. > > Either way, it ain't good Cliff. Keep in mind, to a devout Muslim, a pagan > is the epitome of someone worth slaughtering (i.e a worshipper involved in > figures or images, etc.) I could go on, but this is a controversial topic, > to say the least. Suffice to say many of the Sufi "saints" of India were > famous for one thing: having slaughtered Hindus. Not a very saintly thing, > is it? If this is new to you, I suggest you look further, but as I > indicated, it ain't a pretty picture. Can you imagine living side-by-side > with a culture or religion that considers people who slaughtered your kin > "saints" for having killed them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Orleans from a geopolitical perspective
New Orleans: A Geopolitical Prize By George Friedman The American political system was founded in Philadelphia, but the American nation was built on the vast farmlands that stretch from the Alleghenies to the Rockies. That farmland produced the wealth that funded American industrialization: It permitted the formation of a class of small landholders who, amazingly, could produce more than they could consume. They could sell their excess crops in the east and in Europe and save that money, which eventually became the founding capital of American industry. But it was not the extraordinary land nor the farmers and ranchers who alone set the process in motion. Rather, it was geography -- the extraordinary system of rivers that flowed through the Midwest and allowed them to ship their surplus to the rest of the world. All of the rivers flowed into one -- the Mississippi -- and the Mississippi flowed to the ports in and around one city: New Orleans. It was in New Orleans that the barges from upstream were unloaded and their cargos stored, sold and reloaded on ocean-going vessels. Until last Sunday, New Orleans was, in many ways, the pivot of the American economy. For that reason, the Battle of New Orleans in January 1815 was a key moment in American history. Even though the battle occurred after the War of 1812 was over, had the British taken New Orleans, we suspect they wouldn't have given it back. Without New Orleans, the entire Louisiana Purchase would have been valueless to the United States. Or, to state it more precisely, the British would control the region because, at the end of the day, the value of the Purchase was the land and the rivers - which all converged on the Mississippi and the ultimate port of New Orleans. The hero of the battle was Andrew Jackson, and when he became president, his obsession with Texas had much to do with keeping the Mexicans away from New Orleans. During the Cold War, a macabre topic of discussion among bored graduate students who studied such things was this: If the Soviets could destroy one city with a large nuclear device, which would it be? The usual answers were Washington or New York. For me, the answer was simple: New Orleans. If the Mississippi River was shut to traffic, then the foundations of the economy would be shattered. The industrial minerals needed in the factories wouldn't come in, and the agricultural wealth wouldn't flow out. Alternative routes really weren't available. The Germans knew it too: A U-boat campaign occurred near the mouth of the Mississippi during World War II. Both the Germans and Stratfor have stood with Andy Jackson: New Orleans was the prize. Last Sunday, nature took out New Orleans almost as surely as a nuclear strike. Hurricane Katrina's geopolitical effect was not, in many ways, distinguishable from a mushroom cloud. The key exit from North America was closed. The petrochemical industry, which has become an added value to the region since Jackson's days, was at risk. The navigability of the Mississippi south of New Orleans was a question mark. New Orleans as a city and as a port complex had ceased to exist, and it was not clear that it could recover. The Ports of South Louisiana and New Orleans, which run north and south of the city, are as important today as at any point during the history of the republic. On its own merit, POSL is the largest port in the United States by tonnage and the fifth-largest in the world. It exports more than 52 million tons a year, of which more than half are agricultural products -- corn, soybeans and so on. A large proportion of U.S. agriculture flows out of the port. Almost as much cargo, nearly 17 million tons, comes in through the port -- including not only crude oil, but chemicals and fertilizers, coal, concrete and so on. A simple way to think about the New Orleans port complex is that it is where the bulk commodities of agriculture go out to the world and the bulk commodities of industrialism come in. The commodity chain of the global food industry starts here, as does that of American industrialism. If these facilities are gone, more than the price of goods shifts: The very physical structure of the global economy would have to be reshaped. Consider the impact to the U.S. auto industry if steel doesn't come up the river, or the effect on global food supplies if U.S. corn and soybeans don't get to the markets. The problem is that there are no good shipping alternatives. River transport is cheap, and most of the commodities we are discussing have low value-to-weight ratios. The U.S. transport system was built on the assumption that these commodities would travel to and from New Orleans by barge, where they would be loaded on ships or offloaded. Apart from port capacity elsewhere in the United States, there aren't enough trucks or rail cars to handle the long-distance hauling of these enormous
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I was going to talk about the Muslims, but I didn't know if they were responsible for burning literature. I do know that they were responsible for defacing every image of every god they found in temples - they would chip off toes or hands or breasts or heads as to a Muslim, any image is profane. But where do you come up with 75+ million dead? That's an awfully large number to just throw out with no reference and no backup. In all the reading I've done from the first Turk invaders of the 1100s up to the Mughal Empire, which fell in the mid-1800's to the British, there's never been any mention of genocide. On the contrary, there are frequent mentions of Mugahl emperors being great patrons of Hindu culture and thought. I did note your (perhaps), but that's sort of like me saying, "Vaj is (perhaps) responsible for the slaughter of thousands of Fairfield resident pets" completely out of the blue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's really the Muslims and the Sufis who should be disparaged (if anyone) > for having destroyed entire lines. Indeed they are (perhaps) responsible for > the largest genocide ever known: 75+ million Indians slaughtered > > > On 9/7/05 4:56 PM, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are > > concerned). > > They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature > > they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was > > to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with > > Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
Where have you been, Sparaig? Maharishi often uses his own name in precisely this context - "Maharishi Stapathya Veda will revolutionize...", or "Maharishi Ayur Veda will save the world...", etc. He has his title and face all over everything! Haven't you noticed? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My, don't we feel wonderfully exclusive and supremely fortunate. > > > > > > on 9/7/05 12:20 PM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on Earth"Maharishi's faultless > vision, > > > timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all mankind are > obvious in the > > > following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a vision of what > Heaven on > > > Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. Maharishi has > brought out > > > the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing heavenly > life to earth. > > > No other teacher of any time or place, besides Maharishi, has > been blessed > > > with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life to earth and > the means > > > to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast pace of life and > > > communication everyone can learn what is necessary to bring > heaven to their > > > life and their society. Maharishi has made creation of Heaven on > Earth > > > simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has enlivened the ancient > > > procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested their > validity, > > > published the results and invited every government and every > family to adopt > > > this knowledge. Never before has such true compassion been > displayed on > > > Earth." > > > > > > SOURCE: > > > http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Heaven_on_Earth.html > > Says someone whose guru answers questions by referring to her own > nickname. > > At least MMY doesn't say to reporters, in response to > questions, "Maharishi's TM is the solution to all problems." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India
I have to agree with willytex here, Rick (as far as the Brits are concerned). They are responsible for preserving much of the ancient literature they found when they arrived in India. For many, no doubt, it was to study the "inferior culture", but others were very impressed with Hinduism as a way of thought and belief (C.S. Lewis, for example). IMO, Willytex should have stopped at correcting you and not gone into a typical rant, but that's his choice. He got so excited he began making numerous typos (spurrious instead of spurious, and underserving instead of undeserving), and then closed with a profound 8-year old slam - "You suck!" Most impressive... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > When the British were ruling India, they burned all the pramana > > > granthas [validating texts] to ashes. > > > > > You need to retract this statement and explain why you're attempting > > to rewrite Indian history. There's no evidence that the British burned > > all the pramana granthas and 'validating texts' - in fact, if wasn't > > for the British many thousands of Indian sacred texts would have been > > lost to eternity. Your post is classic British-bashing of the lowest > > sort. Your guru's statement is unfounded, spurrious, and is > > underserving of serious consideration, Sir. You suck as a moderator. > > And obviously, as a knower of Yogis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Defense of the Maharishi (a True Believer perspective)
Careful with your blood pressure, Peter...:-) Not worth having a heart attack over True Belief. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, this is all your belief. Fine and dandy. BUT IT > DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE, YOU IDIOT! > > --- George DeForest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maharishi's Definition of Heaven on > > Earth"Maharishi's faultless vision, > > timeless wisdom and infinite compassion for all > > mankind are obvious in the > > following Definitions of Heaven on Earth. Having a > > vision of what Heaven on > > Earth can be like is not enough to live in heaven. > > Maharishi has brought out > > the easily learned procedures necessary for bringing > > heavenly life to earth. > > No other teacher of any time or place, besides > > Maharishi, has been blessed > > with the knowledge capable of bringing heavenly life > > to earth and the means > > to fulfill that ideal of life. With today's fast > > pace of life and > > communication everyone can learn what is necessary > > to bring heaven to their > > life and their society. Maharishi has made creation > > of Heaven on Earth > > simple, reliable and easily achieved. He has > > enlivened the ancient > > procedures, developed the necessary programs, tested > > their validity, > > published the results and invited every government > > and every family to adopt > > this knowledge. Never before has such true > > compassion been displayed on > > Earth." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare honesty
Bet his unhappy wife got it for him without his knowing about it. No man would ever get the plate for himself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vanity plate seen on a Hummer in Aspen: > > http://bbs.chrismoore.com/images/splicense.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor Who Failed His City
And the ones you put up here are "believably honest", Judy? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, to me. And, yes, I'm sure you'll now try to engage me in a point-by- point "proof" of how absolutely right every word you've ever put on the board is. You and I both know how pointless that discussion would be, but for some reason you seem determined to engage perpetually. You have as much of an agenda as anyone, Judy. Admitting that would be "believable honesty". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Do you know what political agenda frontpagemagazine.com supports? > > > > I did not think so... > > Sure he does. That's why he reads it. > That's *his* political agenda. > > Unbelievably dishonest article, but entirely > typical of FrontPage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] More Balanced Views?
Here's a Guardian article that points out the very real possibility that many (if not all) the reports of murders, rapes and armed gangs were created by rumor and a press craving disaster in alll its flavors. I also find it interesting that even the Mayor is claiming 10,000 dead, but so far only a few hundred bodies have been found. The articles on bodies all say things like, "Just wait until all the waters recede - then the bodies will show up." But bodies float for days after death. They don't sink. --- Murder and rape - fact or fiction? Gary Younge in Baton Rouge Tuesday September 6, 2005 The Guardian There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre. In a week filled with dreadful scenes of desperation and anger from New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina some stories stood out. But as time goes on many remain unsubstantiated and may yet prove to be apocryphal. New Orleans police have been unable to confirm the tale of the raped child, or indeed any of the reports of rapes, in the Superdome and convention centre. New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass said last night: "We don't have any substantiated rapes. We will investigate if the individuals come forward." And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward. Nor has the source for the story of the murdered babies, or indeed their bodies, been found. And while the floor of the convention centre toilets were indeed covered in excrement, the Guardian found no corpses. During a week when communications were difficult, rumours have acquired a particular currency. They acquired through repetition the status of established facts. One French journalist from the daily newspaper Libération was given precise information that 1,200 people had drowned at Marion Abramson school on 5552 Read Boulevard. Nobody at the Federal Emergency Management Agency or the New Orleans police force has been able to verify that. But then Fema could not confirm there were thousands of people at the convention centre until they were told by the press for the simple reason that they did not know. "Katrina's winds have left behind an information vacuum. And that vacuum has been filled by rumour. "There is nothing to correct wild reports that armed gangs have taken over the convention centre," wrote Associated Press writer, Allen Breed. "You can report them but you at least have to say they are unsubstantiated and not pass them off as fact," said one Baltimore-based journalist. "But nobody is doing that." Either way these rumours have had an effect. Reports of the complete degradation and violent criminals running rampant in the Superdome suggested a crisis that both hastened the relief effort and demonised those who were stranded. By the end of last week the media in Baton Rouge reported that evacuees from New Orleans were carjacking and that guns and knives were being seized in local shelters where riots were erupting. The local mayor responded accordingly. "We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Kip Holden was told the Baton Rouge Advocate. "We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people." The trouble, wrote Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune is that "scarcely any of it was true - the police confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter". "There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes." Similarly when the first convoy of national guardsmen went into New Orleans approached the convention centre they were ordered to "lock and load". But when they arrived they were confronted not by armed mobs but a nurse wearing a T- shirt that read "I love New Orleans". "She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns," wrote the LA Times. "We have sick kids up here!" she shouted. "We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
This only goes to prove the point. "South" is only south because the first mapmakers lived in what is now called the northern hemisphere. They decided they wanted to be on top (probably men), so they drew maps with their countries above all those nasty, dark-skinned people who lived "below" them. It's a totally arbitrary direction from the point of view of the cosmos. If SV claims some specialness for south without regard to where the sun actually lies (north, for most of the year, when in most of the southern hemisphere), then it is as arbitrary as I suspect it to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > "Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge > > Ram". > > > There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. > > > > > > I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from > > the > > > north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being > > > slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought > > > back from the south. I certainly would have. > > > > > > As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern > > entrances > > > would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's > > where > > > the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a > > > southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason > > there's > > > no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the > > > invention of the telescope. > > > > > > Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung > > on > > > something tangible like direction or a visible planet. > > > > > > > > > In fact, I can't find anyone who knows the answer to the question: > > should we reversethe roles of North and South in SV when dealing with > > buildings south of the Equator? > > > > Until I hear a definitive answer from the TMO, I reserve judgement on > > how inflexable the SV interpretation is. > > I am not the TMO, but I have heard MMY and the TMO say without > equivication that its still southern entrances in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Balanced View?
In my experience whenever there is a vociferous group loudly proclaiming that a particular event or idea is "completely black", and there is an equally forceful group presenting all sorts of bombastic arguments for it being "completely white", I find that the event or idea usually ends up being a tapestry. I find white in it, to be sure, and I also find black in it, but mostly I find a wide variety of shades of grey. Concerning New Orleans, the following article by a BBC commentator is the most balanced I've seen. Multiple failures caused relief crisis Analysis By Paul Reynolds World Affairs correspondent, BBC News website The breakdown of the relief operation in New Orleans was the result of multiple failures by city, state and federal authorities. Evacuation at last, but why so late? There was no one cause. The failures began long before the hurricane with a gamble that a Category Four or Five hurricane would not strike New Orleans. They continued with an inadequate evacuation plan and culminated in a relief effort hampered by lack of planning, supplies and manpower, and a breakdown in communications of the most basic sort. On top of all this, there is the question of whether an earlier intervention by President Bush could have a made a big difference. The planning Before Hurricane Katrina struck, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) was confident that it was ready. Its director, Michael Brown, said: "Fema has pre-positioned many assets including ice, water, food and rescue teams to move into the stricken areas as soon as it is safe to do so." Mr Brown even told the Associated Press news agency that the evacuation had gone well. "I was impressed with the evacuation, once it was ordered it was very smooth," he said. Yet on Saturday 28 August, the day before the evacuation was ordered, Mr Brown did not say that people should leave the city. All he said was: "There's still time to take action now, but you must be prepared and take shelter and other emergency precautions immediately." This has made Fema appear complacent in the period immediately before the hurricane arrived. If it did not expect the worst, it would not have prepared for the worst. The Brown statement went out on the same day that the National Hurricane Center was warning that Katrina was strengthening to the top Category Five. Everyone knew the dangers of a Category Five. A Fema exercise last year called "Hurricane Pam" had looked at a Category Three, and that was bad enough. The evacuation It was announced at a news conference by the Mayor Ray Nagin on Sunday 28 August, less than 24 hours before the hurricane struck early the next morning. The question has to be asked: Why was it not ordered earlier? The Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said at the same news conference that President Bush had called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation. The night before, National Hurricane Director Max Mayfield had called Mayor Nagin to tell him that an evacuation was needed. Why were these calls necessary? School buses still lined up after the hurricane Again, as with Fema, the New Orleans mayor should have known that on the Saturday, Katrina was strengthening to Five. It was already clear on the Sunday that the evacuation would not cover many of the poor, the sick and those who did not pay heed. The mayor said people going to the Superdome, a sports venue named as an alternative destination for those unable to leave, should bring supplies for several days. He also said police could commandeer any vehicle for the evacuation. But how much support was there at the Superdome? And how much city transport was actually used? There is a photo showing city school buses still lined up, in waterlogged parking lots, after the hurricane. Update: a reader has pointed out that there are detailed plans for Louisiana and the City of New Orleans for an evacuation and these make it clear that buses should be used to transport those without cars. See links. There are questions for the mayor, dubbed heroic by some, to answer. The relief operation The scenes which most shocked the world were at the Superdome and the nearby Convention Center. Yet it turns out that neither Mr Brown nor his boss, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, knew about the crises there until Thursday. This, despite numerous television reports from the scene. It was not until Friday that the first relief convoy arrived. It was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap, and that essentially the lake was going to drain into the city Michael Chertoff, Homeland Security Secretary "The very day that this emerged in the press, I was on a video conference with all the officials, including state and local officials. And nobody, none of the state and local officials or anybody else, w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
Invite the unwashed and the impure into Vedic City, Rick? No wonder you got kicked out of the dome. Totally heretical thinking. About as likely as the Pope inviting women Protestant priests to come and fill up empty rooms in the Vatican. Your intentions are noble, but not in a million years would Maharishi invite black, poor non-meditators into his illusory "heaven on earth". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/6/05 9:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It does jibe with the "build it and they will come" attitude about > > the pre-fab colony housing in M. Vedic City. > > Yeah, I guess the question is "who will come?" And if both Governors and > pundits are coming, how will that work? And if neither of those come, then > it would be nice and a great PR gesture for VC to invite refugees rather > than leave the place empty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
Modern scientific thought is based on Newtonian Gravity? Not for the last 90 years or so. Ever heard of Einsteinian Relativity? Newtonian Gravitational theory was quite fundamental for hundreds of years, but has been proven to be a "good approximation" of reality as long as nothing is moving too quickly relative to the observer. But to consider it fundamental today is equivalent to considering horse and buggy to being the latest in ground transportation technology. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > These are > > empirical facts if the research is done right. Then > > there are the explanatory concepts that either link > > the empirical findings back into known science or a > > new explanatory construct is created (such as in the > > 1% stuff) because it is the best and only way to > > explain the findings. This, of course, is much more > > difficult to do (and what the TMO has failed to do > > with the 1% research. But the new construct must > > attempt to link or bridge known science to the new > > explanatory paradigm. The new construct must "make > > sense" within a scientific zeitgeist. The new > > explanatory construct is a myth and functions as a > > metaphor if this is not done. Right now, to talk about > > self-conscious, non-physical entities (i.e., devas) > > governing directional quadrants on a piece of property > > is just a cultural belief from India. It is very, very > > far away from explaining research findings that > > haven't even been completed yet! > > I don't know where you learned your "scientific theory" but its just > plain wrong. It doesn't cover such fundamental scientific theories as > Newtonian Gravity for instance, which is what modern scientific > thoguht is based on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeach Bush Before More Die
So sad to hear Maharishi ranting away. He's failed, he knows it, he can't come to grips with it, and it's always someone else's fault. Really, really sad. Hyping "really useful press releases"? Promising "new programs to save the world" in just a few days? Really, really sad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe it is time once more to remind everyone of > MMY's opinion of Dubya: > > I got this from someone on Heavenly Mountain on > September 1, 2001. > > Hi, any new news after this call on the future of the > TM movement in America? > > Hi Friends, I have taken the time to transcribe these > notes from a tape of a conference call for TM > Governors, with the west coast regional coordinator. > She speaks with Maharishi regularly. There is so much > heavy, important information here, that I want to send > it to all my friends. The first part consists of her > verbatim notes when MMY was speaking, then the next > part on a follow-up talk which may be more paraphrased > (that's where it was stated that the demon Ravana is > working through George W. Bush!) Very > thought-provoking and helpful to see what Maharishi's > attention is on these days. (any question mark means I > am either not sure of the spelling or not sure I heard > the word on the tape clearly.) > > Jai Guru Dev, Mary > > Jai Guru Dev. This is probably one of the largest > governor meetings that's been held in a long time, > outside of a course She wants to start by thanking > each and every one of you who has joined this call > tonight. Many have been viewing the MOU channel daily, > so are very aware of Maharishi's displeasure with NATO > and "bombing for peace". Now we are hearing more the > negative repercussions from around the world directed > at the attitude, behavior, and positioning of the > United States. Curt and Christie Kleinschnitz gave a > report on the Maharishi Vedic Center project. > Maharishi approved it as a very good plan, he just > wanted us to reduce the cost so more can be built. > After the Kleinschnitz couple reviewed for Maharishi > the plan of rebuilding the whole country in accordance > with Stapathya Veda principles, including their idea > to apply for some federal Foundation funds to help > with this, here are MMY's comments on the real > situation in the U.S. today: "The president is > destroying the foundation of the world. Tell them that > you are a Foundation for the good of the people. We > are trying to create coherence in society. He > (referring to the president) is even more violent than > Hitler. (The regional coordinator makes a comment here > that what he meant is that the potential for what Bush > could do is more violent than what Hitler did during > WWII). A new Rakshasa in America. He could destroy the > world, and he may. It is good that the money stays in > the bank, and we ascend to Heaven. We want to > counteract these actions. Don't waste time asking for > funds. The governors had intended to apply for some > U.S. Govt. grants for their project) Waste of time! We > are powerful. We will not take bad money. Whether the > world comes or goes, we maintain our dignity. Don't > waste time by asking for funds and all this, and go by > your regular business procedures. Waste of time. We > are powerful, and we don't have to beg money from > those people. It is this begging for money that I > dislike. So whether the world continues breathing or > stops breathing, but it is not our dignity to ask for > money here and there. We just stand (?) the whole > thing and maintain our dignity. Write them (the > Foundation) but with an authority. Begging them for > money and all that - NO! You say that today, we are > telling you that your money will remain in the bank, > and the banks will be going to Heaven. Use authority > with them. Some things we needed to ask from them for > 10 years, to get some money. No, no. Three years, try > to save your life, and we have the authority to give > the license to live. With authority, with authority, > with boldness, openness say, 'Your country is going to > go, and you should save your money for your own life.' > (At this point, Curt Kleinschnitz very quietly said, > 'Not very many people write them letters to that > point, Maharishi.') Maharishi said: Write them, that > we are inviting you to continue to breathe life on > Earth because your president is putting you on fire. > That we are a charitable organization. We invite you > to continue to breathe life. Otherwise all your > charitable foundations and charity and this, the > whole thing doesn't mean a thing. Take them with > charitable things and say that they are alive in the > world. Save your life. This is very bad. There's a > very bad opposition in Europe. Everywhere he > (president Bush) went, but it doesn't matter. Even if > he is honored in Europe, he is going to eat up life > for the world, that's all. We are doing our things. We > are d
[FairfieldLife] Re: The facts about 'The Maharishi' biography
I like the Lesbian theory of "many peaks"... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am open to the LBSian theory of many paths, many peaks. I am open to > the possibility that, at some point, the peaks are a distinction > without a meaningful difference. > > Any way, a foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit housing for Katrina refugees?
Yes, I can just see the thousands of Governors "who aren't in proper Vastu" flocking to a barren field of mud (or frozen mud, depending on the month) :-) NOT!!! As for Bob - I just cannot understand the mindset of someone who knowingly lies to try and separate people from their money, and does so repeatedly. Either that, or he must be smoking something pretty potent... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emailed a friend of mine up at MUM to ask whether he thought the 500 > pundit rooms might be used for refugee housing. He said that all the > Governors in the US who aren¹t in proper Vastu might move there, and that > Bob Wynne thinks the pundits might come in October. So he said it was very > unlikely it would be offered to refugees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis
"Vedic reasoning" is an oxymoron, just like "silent cry" or "Dodge Ram". There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from the north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being slaughtered and having their women raped that they frequently fought back from the south. I certainly would have. As for the "scientific reason", that would imply that northern entrances would be verboten in the in the southern hemisphere, since that's where the sun would lie. But since Vedic civilization had no notion of a southern hemisphere, there is no mention of this. Same reason there's no mention of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - no one saw them before the invention of the telescope. Out of sight, out of belief system, when the belief system is hung on something tangible like direction or a visible planet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Could someone tell me what is the vedic reasoning > > behind why a northern facing entrance to a building > > lowers the crime rate, sickness, etc. of those living > > in such a building? Can a functional hypothesis even > > be created that makes rational sense? Also, you will > > be fined 12 points if the term "natural law" comes up > > in your answer! Please use the term, IUWEROQWF, > > instead. > > > > The cultural answer isthat the invaders didn't like the guys who lived > south of them. > > The "scientific" answer is that having sunlight hit the entrance of > your building non-stop all day somehow effectsthe people who enter and > leave your building--maybe its too hot or blinding? > > IN the case of the old U of AZ student union entrance, with its south- > facing brick-encased alcove and 8-foot tall aluminum statue by the > door, no-one in their right mind would use the main entrance anyway. I > escorted John Hagelin around campus many years ago and commented that > we were going to use the main entrance just so he would get a "real" > idea what an Arizona summer was like. His comment on being hit by the > 150 degree temperature at the door was "Oh my." > > Very presidential of him, I thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
