[FairfieldLife] Local (Fairfield) eBay seller?

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Do any of you Fairfielders know of anyone here in town who will take 
your stuff, sell it on eBay, keep a percentage and give the rest 
to you? I saw an ad in the Weekly Reader last fall, but cannot remember 
the name of the person/co. that ran the ad.

Thanks in advance!

[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

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Wrong place Sal. Not on campus.

This new compound (for want of a better word) is out on the right 
just past the Rukmapura. My TB friend said it was the new housing for 
the pundits. It sits WAY back off the road. The prefab housing is 
white, smaller than the original pundit housing now occupied by 
Mother Divine (beige colored houses), and has the small cone thingies 
on the roofs. There are also a couple of bigger buildings that may be 
dining/flying halls.  The fence facing the main road (next to 
Rukmapura) is green chain link. However, if you turn right onto the 
gravel road built for access to the new pundit compound, the fencing 
is barbed wire. I drove up to the gate (east facing) and it was 
closed with a chain and padlock. There also appeared to be cameras 
monitoring the gate.

I asked my TB friend why there was barbed wire and she said it was to 
protect the pundits.

If I have time tonight, I will drive out, snap a couple of pictures 
and post them here.

I had no idea pundit housing was being built out there until I asked 
my TB friend what the new digs were for.

Go take a look Sal.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I 
know 
  that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under 
the 
  existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if 
barbed 
  wire has been put up to prevent that?
 
 Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high, 
 wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance 
 like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, 
 with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the 
 massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get 
in.  
 Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.
 
 Sal

[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?

[ffia1120]

Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the 
Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road. 
There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence 
is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 12:50 PM, boo_lives wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. 
I know
  that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking 
under the
  existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if
  barbed
  wire has been put up to prevent that?
 
  Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high,
  wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a 
distance
  like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal 
fence,
  with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the
  massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to 
get in.
  Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.
 
  Sal
 
  But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city??
 
 So there's one out there too??  Maybe that's where they keep the TB 
 cases. Anybody know where it is, exactly?  I'll be glad to go out 
and 
 check if there really is one.  If so, this is the first I've heard 
of 
 it.
 Sal

[FairfieldLife] Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

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From KMCD E-News

Vedic City Seeks To Buy Neighboring Farmland  

Two opposing parties went head-to-head during public comment at the 
Jefferson County Board of Supervisors meeting Monday. Bob Palms came 
forward to inform the supervisors of a situation he has been put in 
regarding his farmland north of Fairfield. Palms said he's had a 
threat to condemn his family farm by officials in Vedic City.

Palms received a letter recently with an appraisal from Vedic City 
and an offer for the land, which butts up to city on the east and 
south sides. However, Palms said it was less than half the value of 
the land.

Kent Boyum was present on behalf of Vedic City for the Cypress 
Village preliminary plot discussion, however; he was able to comment 
on behalf of the city about the matter.

Ever since I've worked for the city, and even before the city 
existed we've been interested in the Palms' land, Boyum said. We 
learned that he'd talked with others about selling the property, and 
so we talked to him and had an appraisal done. We met with the Palms' 
and they didn't like the price.

Boyum went on to say that Vedic City can condemn the land, and 
they've gotten advice from the city's attorney to condemn it for the 
purpose of making a city park. Boyum said they need to start with the 
appraised value of the land, and the city has done it, and now the 
Palms can as well.

It seems like an aggressive measure to me as a supervisor for the 
city to go and take someone's land for use as a city park, 
Supervisor Dick Reed said.

Vedic City currently owns only eight acres within the city, while the 
non-profit group, Global Country, owns the majority of the land.

This needs to be well thought out with a purpose and a plan, 
Supervisor Steve Burgmeier said. I believe the underlying reason for 
this is not to build a park, but probably because you've heard he was 
looking at putting a business on his land and that's not part of the 
ideal of the community. Eminent domain for this purpose is an abuse 
of power. And I hope when this is all said and done we can all remain 
civil.

The city plans to hold a public hearing on the topic on Sunday, June 
24 at noon.

Having a public hearing at noon on a Sunday, is not a typical day to 
do government business, Burgmeier added. Most people are just 
getting home from church then, and want to eat dinner. If you want 
the people at-large to come for public comment, you'll need to change 
the time.

I don't believe a city or a county should take these steps to take 
someone's land, Reed said. It's his business to sell the land, and 
at what price he sells it. It's not right to use eminent domain to 
obtain it. I'd like to see you go through other means before taking 
these measures, and making people use what may be their life savings 
to go to court and pay lawyer fees.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Court Case between TMO and the Norwegian Government

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 The Government of Norway, how can they be involved in this case ? I 
 don't get it. Anyway, if they do not see that it was Maharishi 
that 
 invented and spent 30 years to let the world know about TM, and 
that it 
 is unique I think they have a problem. Transcendental Meditation is 
not 
 a state of consciousness, it is a mental technique. That the 
judges, 
 the fools in court, was not able to understand this is not very 
 surprising. Maharishi once commented that Norway is a long and 
narrow 
 country, inhabited by narrowminded people. They are a greedy bunch 
of 
 consumers; not very spiritual at all. And the socalled independent 
 teachers, why are they ? I think it boils down to the same thing; 
 greed - they want to collect the money for themselves. They got 
 everything they know about meditation from Maharishi, now they want 
to 
 cash in. I know it is not that simple, but I still feel that it's 
 discusting.

Re: Maharishi once commented that Norway is a long and narrow
country, inhabited by narrowminded people. 

Does MMY ever have anything NICE to say about anybody (besides the 
TBs who he criticizes as well) or any country? He sure does a lot of 
criticizing and what does that accomplish? It makes him look very 
small.

As to why teachers are independent -- are you really that clueless? 
Or do you have no memory of the recent past? TM teachers were told 
that if they did not get re-certified that they were no longer TM 
teachers in the eyes of the TMO. This is what (IMO) has alienated 
hundreds (thousands?) of loyal, dedicated TM teachers and is the 
primary reason that when the big call went out last summer for TMers 
to congregate in FF, most of the govs (and fed up sidhas) stayed 
home. MMY bit the hand that fed him on the re-certification decision, 
IMO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hog Confinements by Vedic City

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hog Confinements by Vedic City
 
 IMPORTANT — PLEASE FORWARD TO YOUR LISTS:
 
 A permit is being issued for a Matrix ( large ) Hog confinement on 
the
 farm neighboring Mother Divine in Vedic City.  Others are 
forthcoming
 for the borders of Vedic City and Jefferson County. Farms have been
 purchased for this specific reason. The most important thing at this
 time is that we show up and express concern. Now is the final hour -
 or our environment will be inundated with hog sewage and toxic 
gasses.
 We have hired lobbyists, written legislation to protect Vedic city 
by
 2 miles, but people have not shown up to express their objections.
 
 Please come to this meeting Friday, 3-4 at the FF Public Library.
 Another email will be sent to you regarding emailing senators and
 legislators as we try to get our protection bill through which
 involves the entire state of Iowa.
 
 Thank you,
 David Sands dsandsmd @ msn.com


This is very interesting. You would think (given the TMOs faith in 
the Maharishi Effect), that bad things like a hog confinement lot 
would not be springing up so close to such a satvic environment. 
How is this possible -- what with the ME and all? If the TBs cannot 
stop a hog confinement lot from moving into the neighborhood, how in 
the heck are they going to bring about world peace?

Besides, these Mother Divine ladies should all be enlightened by now 
anyway (after spending 20+ years on MD). A little unpleasant odor 
shouldn't bother them in the least bit. They sould be completely 
invincible after all these years, right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout on Girls

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Actually, Nabby, corruption has been going on for a long time. 
Catholic
 priests have been molesting boys, as has Sai Baba. Other saints 
have been
 hitting on the women. Not all do these things, and not all do them to 
the
 same degree. Idealism is a laudable quality, but you seem determined 
to
 preserve a rosy vision of things, no matter how much evidence 
conflicts with
 it. In my opinion, this is not a healthy attitude, nor is it honest, 
nor is
 it realistic.


Catholic priests have been molesting girls too, for a long, long time. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: fairfield after maharishi's death

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shucktipat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I am wondering what effect the death of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi will 
 have on the community in Fairfield. Will a lot of folks move away or 
 will it thrive?
 
I have lived here 27 years (moved here to attend MIU). Nothing much 
will change. There will be some true believers who have a rough time of 
it, but the vast majority of us will carry on as usual. Life is good 
here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/9/07 10:23:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 How many  human sacrifices has George bush made in Iraq and 
elsewhere
 in the name of  revenge and oil profits or racketeering for the 
Cheney
 Haliburton Cabal?  And how many american lives lost when you spent a
 trillion dollars on an  unjustifiable war rather than on health care
 for civilian and military ,  education and job training, pensions 
and
 the many mentally ill homeless,  the environment?
 
 
 Answer to question 1 is Zero. Answer to question 2 is also Zero. 
And this  is 
 what really pisses off the left, not that Soldiers are risking life 
and limb  
 for them but the money being used could be buying all kinds of 
Socialist  
 programs. Stephen you must be really pissed George Bush has spent 
your, excuse  
 me, somebody else's, tax dollars on Security instead of on freebies 
for you and 
  any other slackers who depend on the government to take care of  
themselves.
 BRBRBR**BR AOL now 
offers free 
 email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
 http://www.aol.com.

Perhaps you and your children, nieces and nephews can join Bush:

Pentagaon struggles to find fresh troops
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_troops

[FairfieldLife] Re: Never cut TM program

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Never cut your program. For every little section you take out of 
your 
 program, you take out an equal amount out of your happiness and 
success 
 in daily life. You must let nothing in life interfere with your 
 meditation. There will always be a force trying to keep you from it.
  
-Maharishi

This reminds me of the nuns telling us that if we didn't go to church 
on Sunday, we would burn in hell. It's very, very rigid thinking.

I have not meditated in 8-9 years. I have a very sweet, happy, 
successful life here in FF. Three of my dome-going friends are on major 
anti-depressants -- the ones you see advertised non-stop on TV. Whether 
or not you meditate has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether or not 
you are happy and successful in life. Period.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Program Pedophilia

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/02/program-pedophilia.html
  
  Program Pedophilia
  Posted by Gina at 2/13/2007 11:55:00 PM
  
  Thank you, Paul, for your incredible perspective on the source of 
 TM  
  teachings.
  
  Being raised in the Movement, or any cult, is different from  
  experiencing a conversion. Upon leaving the group, most 
therapists  
  advise former cult members to rebuild life based upon their pre-
 cult  
  persona.
  
  Someone raised in a cult lacks a pre-cult persona. We normalized 
 the  
  group-think in all facets, because it's all we knew.
  
  My entire life was based upon TM, as I was raised in the TMO from 
 a  
  young age. There are many good people in the TMO. I have no 
 criticism  
  of the individuals. I criticize the leader's methods, and 
ensuing  
  destructive group dynamics.
  
  One of my good friends is Jim Jones Jr, formerly of Jonestown. 
 Oddly  
  enough, he and I share a similar worldview. We both agree that 
we  
  were raised as-if in Disneyland. And we loved it! Then the 
Haunted  
  House took over. We've both moved on, and are doing what we can 
to  
  reach others through our twisted histories. Making lemonade 
where  
  life gave us lemons.
  
  For a preview of a compassionate movie about a tragic history, 
 click  
  on the movie title, Jonestown, the Life and Death of People's 
 Temple.
  My daughter was eleven when we left Fairfield. She was teary 
 watching  
  this movie, remembering her sweet idealistic childhood community, 
 and  
  knowing our loved ones' ensuing painful stories.
  
  Maharishi twisted his Hindu tradition to his own ends, just as 
Jim  
  Jones twisted evangelical Christianity and social activism to 
his  
  ends. It is not the teachings that define a cult; destructive  
  behaviors define a cult.
  
  While my mother was in Switzerland with Susan, Sudarsha and 
 Joseppi,  
  I lived at MIU Santa Barbara and Fairfield as a teenager. No one 
 had  
  custody of me. Maharishi told my mother I was better off at MIU  
  unsupervised. My mother's children would benefit from her 
 prolonged  
  rounding to purify the family.
  
  Many TM parents leave their children for months on end, while 
 parents  
  attend TTC or other advanced programs. Children are often left 
with 
 a  
  hodge podge of caretakers.
  
  Does statutory rape, as often occurs with TM young girls while  
  parents are in Program, count as a family benefit or side 
 effect  
  to familial devotion with TM?
  
  Of course, such occurences are blamed upon the girl's negative 
 karma,  
  and the ignorance or stress (release?) of the perpetrators.
  
  Such occurences generally are not reported, lest the victim(s) 
 would  
  be denied admission to the TM Sidhi program or to Maharishi 
School 
 of  
  the Age of Enlightenment (MSAE).
  
  One young girl in elementary school (now an adult coming to visit 
 me  
  this weekend) was refused admittance to Maharishi School of the 
 Age  
  of Enlightenment (MSAE), after thorough interogation before an 
all  
  male board of well-suited MSAE faculty. They interogated her in  
  detail about a prior childhood sexual molestation. Her mother's  
  presence was forbidden for this unique admissions interview, as 
 the  
  interview board wanted an objective evaluation of the child. Of  
  course, none of the interview panel were child therapists, as  
  Maharishi abhors therapy. After this grueling voyeristic 
 experience,  
  the child was denied attendance to MSAE as her impurity would 
 taint  
  the rest of the student body. She said that experience of blame-
 the- 
  victim was more damaging than was the original sexual molestation.
  
  When someone attempted to be sexually inappropriate with my then 
 six  
  year old, I intervened and spoke to the man in question. I also 
 spoke  
  to mothers of other little girls with whom he played. The other  
  mothers denied there was a concern, saying he played an innocent 
 game  
  with little girls by pulling down their panties and tickling 
their  
  six year old bottoms. This Governor stayed home from group 
 program,  
  providing childcare free of charge for other TM parents while 
they  
  meditated for hours daily.
  
  This IS the TMO at work where many families are concerned. I 
know  
  many personal accounts of sexual, physical, drug abuse and 
 neglected  
  children as parents pursued enlightenment. The numbers are too 
 high  
  for coincidence. The parents are, by and large, well intentioned  
  under-the-influence, True Believers. We've all been there.
  
  Many middle aged TM married men left their wives for their 
teenage  
  babysitters.
  
  One story on trancenet, by an anonymous contributer, details 
 personal  
  abuses of a TM-child. I do not know this young woman. I know 
many  
  similar stories. From my 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Teaching in Florida [was: TMorg Accounting Controls]

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  BTW, I have heard that Mike S. is still teaching 6+ people a 
month in
  Florida under the 'transcendental stress management program' name 
to
  comply with trade and service mark law after his court case. No 
mention
  of MMY just the rest of the tradition. So at a reasonable price, 
there
  is still some demand.
 
 
 This info about Mike Scozzari's teaching activities is one of those
 TM urban legends that has some weird life of it's own; but some of
 this info just isn't true, and I'd like to offer a corrected 
version.
 
 I live near Mike Scozzari, have talked with him in person about the
 details of his south Florida teaching activities (current and past),
 have attended his public intro lecture, have for years been on his
 mailing list for notifications about his TM events (group program,
 knowledge meetings, socials, etc.), have talked with others in his
 group about his activities (numbers taught, frequency of events,
 attendance, etc.), I've watched his interaction with the TM movement
 including the now famous 2006 court case.  And I've also taken the
 trouble to check out the new TM teachers in the area and their TM-
 teaching numbers and activities.  Here's the scoop:
 
 1. The reality is that Mike is stuck in memories of the past - of 
his
 glory days decades ago as the founding TM teacher in this 
area.
 
 2. Mike, through his own admissions to me, was teaching NOT 6+ 
people
 a month but 6 people a year (if that).
 
 3. Mike admitted that he rarely had ANYONE attend his intro 
lectures -
 he would show up and just sadly sit there in an empty conference
 room at Kinkos that he rented and advertised, hoping that 
someone
 would appear - even when he COULD still use the TM name (on the
 website, in his newspaper ads, at the lectures, etc.).  Now he
 can't use that name at all.
 
 4. Mike claimed he had a network of hundreds of loyal local medita-
 tors who would come forth to support him in his battle with 
the TM
 movement last year.  They did not materialize - either in 
numbers
 or in financial support.  When he appeared in court, those 
supporters
 were not to be seen.  Since he has been teaching perhaps half a 
dozen
 people a year, those references to hundreds of meditators 
probably
 refer to the hundreds he taught back in the 70s and 80s, in his 
hey-
 day, and that he holds onto in his mind but that he hasn't seen 
for
 around 20+ years.
 
 5. His once-a-month group programs at his TM center (his 
apartment)
 drew about half a dozen people, including Mike and his wife.  
So his
 hundreds of active, loyal students turned out to be about 4 
friends.
 
 6. His TM e-mail newsletter announcing his group program and any 
other
 TM support events, that I signed up for, came to me perhaps 
once a year
 or less!  His TM group, and his TM Center and activities, 
turned
 out to be phantoms, fantasies - there was very little there 
that was
 real.
 
 7. For all his bravado about fighting the TM movement, when his 
case came
 to court Mike caved in - he had no group of supporters backing 
him, he
 had no substantial financial support.  When the judge ordered 
the case
 into mediation, immediately Mike gave in on every substantial 
point the
 TM movement was asking for, and agreed to completely disconnect 
from
 the TM movement and any use of it's names, and to make public 
disclaim-
 ers stating his lack of connection.  It seems reasonable to 
assume that
 his own attorney advised him of the groundlessness of his legal 
posi-
 tion and told him to settle.
 
 Here is the information about the court case.  If anyone is 
interested
 in reading the actual wording of the injunction entered against 
Mike, I
 would be willing to obtain it and post it here.
 
 Broward County Case Number: CACE06002776
 (Florida) State Reporting Number: 062006CA002776AXXXCE
 Court Type: Civil Division - Circuit Court (Broward County, FL)
 Case Type: Contract
 Filing Date: 03/01/2006
 Court Location: Central Courthouse, Broward County, 201 SE 6th St.,
 Ft. Lauderdale FL
 Preliminary Hearing: 16 March 2006 - mediation agreed to by both 
sides
 Case Status:  Disposition Entered (injunction), 12 April 2006
 
 Document Source: Circuit Court, Civil Correspondence Division: 201 
SE
 6th St., Rm. 230, Ft. Lauderdale FL 33301, 954-831-5740
 $8 money order payable to Clerk of the Court, include SASE
 Request 8-page Final Order of 12 April 2006
 
 Case Parties:
 PLAFSKY, ROBERT ALLEN, (Attorney) Court-Appointed Mediation Master
 MAHARISHI FOUNDATION LTD, Plaintiff
 MAHARISHI VEDIC EDUCATION DEV, Plaintiff
 SCOZZARI, MICHAEL E., Defendant
 STREITFELD, JEFFREY E., Judge
 
 8. To put Mike's teaching and follow-up activities into perspective,
 here's an updated version of what I wrote about 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Teaching in Florida [was: TMorg Accounting Controls]

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
 Tantra@ wrote:
 
   jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
  
   BTW, I have heard that Mike S. is still teaching 6+ people a 
 month in
   Florida under the 'transcendental stress management program' 
name 
 to
   comply with trade and service mark law after his court case. No 
 mention
   of MMY just the rest of the tradition. So at a reasonable 
price, 
 there
   is still some demand.
  
  
  This info about Mike Scozzari's teaching activities is one of 
those
  TM urban legends that has some weird life of it's own; but some 
of
  this info just isn't true, and I'd like to offer a corrected 
 version.
  
  I live near Mike Scozzari, have talked with him in person about 
the
  details of his south Florida teaching activities (current and 
past),
  have attended his public intro lecture, have for years been on his
  mailing list for notifications about his TM events (group program,
  knowledge meetings, socials, etc.), have talked with others in his
  group about his activities (numbers taught, frequency of events,
  attendance, etc.), I've watched his interaction with the TM 
movement
  including the now famous 2006 court case.  And I've also taken the
  trouble to check out the new TM teachers in the area and their TM-
  teaching numbers and activities.  Here's the scoop:
  
  1. The reality is that Mike is stuck in memories of the past - of 
 his
  glory days decades ago as the founding TM teacher in this 
 area.
  
  2. Mike, through his own admissions to me, was teaching NOT 6+ 
 people
  a month but 6 people a year (if that).
  
  3. Mike admitted that he rarely had ANYONE attend his intro 
 lectures -
  he would show up and just sadly sit there in an empty 
conference
  room at Kinkos that he rented and advertised, hoping that 
 someone
  would appear - even when he COULD still use the TM name (on 
the
  website, in his newspaper ads, at the lectures, etc.).  Now he
  can't use that name at all.
  
  4. Mike claimed he had a network of hundreds of loyal local 
medita-
  tors who would come forth to support him in his battle with 
 the TM
  movement last year.  They did not materialize - either in 
 numbers
  or in financial support.  When he appeared in court, those 
 supporters
  were not to be seen.  Since he has been teaching perhaps half 
a 
 dozen
  people a year, those references to hundreds of meditators 
 probably
  refer to the hundreds he taught back in the 70s and 80s, in 
his 
 hey-
  day, and that he holds onto in his mind but that he hasn't 
seen 
 for
  around 20+ years.
  
  5. His once-a-month group programs at his TM center (his 
 apartment)
  drew about half a dozen people, including Mike and his wife.  
 So his
  hundreds of active, loyal students turned out to be about 4 
 friends.
  
  6. His TM e-mail newsletter announcing his group program and 
any 
 other
  TM support events, that I signed up for, came to me perhaps 
 once a year
  or less!  His TM group, and his TM Center 
and activities, 
 turned
  out to be phantoms, fantasies - there was very little there 
 that was
  real.
  
  7. For all his bravado about fighting the TM movement, when his 
 case came
  to court Mike caved in - he had no group of supporters 
backing 
 him, he
  had no substantial financial support.  When the judge ordered 
 the case
  into mediation, immediately Mike gave in on every substantial 
 point the
  TM movement was asking for, and agreed to completely 
disconnect 
 from
  the TM movement and any use of it's names, and to make public 
 disclaim-
  ers stating his lack of connection.  It seems reasonable to 
 assume that
  his own attorney advised him of the groundlessness of his 
legal 
 posi-
  tion and told him to settle.
  
  Here is the information about the court case.  If anyone is 
 interested
  in reading the actual wording of the injunction entered against 
 Mike, I
  would be willing to obtain it and post it here.
  
  Broward County Case Number: CACE06002776
  (Florida) State Reporting Number: 062006CA002776AXXXCE
  Court Type: Civil Division - Circuit Court (Broward County, FL)
  Case Type: Contract
  Filing Date: 03/01/2006
  Court Location: Central Courthouse, Broward County, 201 SE 6th 
St.,
  Ft. Lauderdale FL
  Preliminary Hearing: 16 March 2006 - mediation agreed to by both 
 sides
  Case Status:  Disposition Entered (injunction), 12 April 2006
  
  Document Source: Circuit Court, Civil Correspondence Division: 
201 
 SE
  6th St., Rm. 230, Ft. Lauderdale FL 33301, 954-831-5740
  $8 money order payable to Clerk of the Court, include SASE
  Request 8-page Final Order of 12 April 2006
  
  Case Parties:
  PLAFSKY, ROBERT ALLEN, (Attorney) Court-Appointed Mediation Master
  MAHARISHI FOUNDATION LTD, Plaintiff
  MAHARISHI VEDIC 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Thinking and Meditating Can Change the Brain

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Dalai Lama is just a politician. Maharishi


Who is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? Dalai Lama

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM article in Cleveland Plain Dealer

[ffia1120]

Honest to god, I read this article with a big smile on my face but 
when I got to:

In addition to building Peace Palaces, Murach said Maharishi has
leased hundreds of millions of acres of land in Brazil and plans to
hire poor people to grow food there using his farming techniques.

I laughed out loud. MMY's farming techniques?? I wonder if he's 
also planning a takeover of John Deere? Instead of green and yellow 
farm equipment trawling the fields, they'll be gold plated.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maharishi sees Peace Palaces; others see pipe dreams
 Past failures raise questions about local development plans
 Sunday, January 07, 2007
 Amanda Garrett
 Plain Dealer Reporter
 
 When the Maharishi bought a fading Avon Lake resort in 1993, his
 people promised not only to revive the former hot spot but also to
 reduce area crime by meditating.
 
 Two months later, when Maharishi bought a shuttered Holiday Inn in 
the
 shadow of Thistledown race track, his people said they wanted to
 reopen the 10-story tower as a class hotel catering to nonsmoking, 
non
 drinking vegetarians. Neither plan ever materialized.
 
 The Maharishi's company let both properties languish for years,
 racking up building code violations and back taxes. At the Avon Lake
 site, not only didn't the tenants prevent crimes, they often 
committed
 them. Ultimately, the properties were sold, but only after 
frustrated
 officials threatened to take both sites via eminent domain.
 
 Now Maharishi - undaunted by his past failures, both to his own
 enterprise and to the community - is again asking Greater 
Clevelanders
 to have faith.
 
 Maharishi wants to open 3,000 so-called Peace Palaces around the
 world, including three in our area. His organization already has 
paid
 millions for property in Mayfield Heights and Parma and is firming 
up
 deals on parcels in Strongsville and Brecksville.
 
 What's the giggling guru up to?
 
 Maharishi has shrewdly shaped and reshaped his message since the
 Beatles embraced him as their spiritual leader four decades ago.
 
 Among other things, he opened an accredited university in Iowa,
 promised tantalizing superhuman powers, vowed to bring world peace 
and
 launched a political party, which in 2004 endorsed Cleveland
 Congressman Dennis Kucinich's bid for the presidency. He also 
amassed
 a fortune estimated between $5 billion and $9 billion with his web 
of
 businesses and charities.
 
 His latest strategy is to do for yogic flying what Starbucks has 
done
 for a cup of coffee. His chain of Peace Palaces will sell $2,500
 classes to study Maharishi's trademarked Transcendental Meditation, 
a
 myriad of his health remedies, and Maharishi-driven architectural
 consultation aimed at lassoing all of Earth's powers.
 
 Two local palaces -- in Mayfield Heights and Parma -- also include
 plans for private high schools, each teaching 160 teens everything
 from algebra to inner consciousness.
 
 And in Brecksville, where the group is negotiating to buy a 48-acre
 parcel across from the VA hospital, Maharishi hopes to teach medical
 doctors ancient forms of alternative health care because he believes
 modern medicine has failed.
 
 So is Maharishi selling religion? A cult? A pile of rubbish?
 
 People have been trying to figure that out for a long time.
 
 The 1960s:
 
 Beatles' spiritual guide
 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was born in central India some time between 
1911
 and 1918. The precise date -- as with so many parts of Maharishi's
 life -- has never been clear. He graduated with a physics degree 
from
 an Indian university and then moved into the Himalayas where he
 studied with a guru.
 
 What happened next is murky, but Maharishi emerged in the West 
during
 the late 1950s and later found rock-star fame in the mid-1960s as 
the
 spiritual guide of the Beatles.
 
 The Fab Four later renounced Maharishi as a fraud, but it didn't
 matter. The surging counterculture had already embraced Maharishi 
and
 an earlier appearance on The Tonight Show had cemented his place 
in
 pop culture.
 
 Maharishi's message was inspirational:
 
 Life is bliss.
 
 Man is born to enjoy.
 
 Within everyone is an unlimited reservoir of energy, intelligence,
 and happiness.
 
 Transcendental Meditation -- or TM -- was the key, Maharishi said.
 
 The TM technique was so simple anyone could do it, Maharishi said. 
But
 to learn, you had to take classes from a certified TM teacher. In 
the
 late 1960s, an introductory course cost less than $100. Thousands
 signed up.
 
 And Maharishi's spiritual and financial empire was born.
 
 The '70s and '80s:
 
 Is TM a religion?
 
 TM was so popular, even parts of the U.S. government bought in, said
 the Rev. J. Gordon Melton, who directs the Institute for the Study 
of
 American Religion in California.
 
 During TM's peak in the late 1960s and early 1970s, Maharishi was
 awash in government grants to teach TM in the Army and many schools,
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Dec 14, 2006, at 5:20 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
 
  My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a devoted
  True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT
  affected by the coherence?  He throws hissy fits, temper 
tantrums,
  spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines and
  complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. 
(This
  has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have 
known
  him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course
  obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the dome
  twice a day seven days a week?
 
 But it is--just think of what he might be like if he *didn't* go. :)
 
 This guy doesn't happen to work at Lisco, does he?
 
 Sal

No, he does not work for Lisco. I do feel sorry for him, though. It 
must be awfully hard to be walking around in that body.

[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:20 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
  
   My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a 
devoted
   True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT
   affected by the coherence?  He throws hissy fits, temper 
 tantrums,
   spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines 
and
   complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. 
 (This
   has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have 
 known
   him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course
   obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the 
dome
   twice a day seven days a week?
  
  
  Chunks of stress are breaking off his nervous system?
  
  Bhairitu has some interesting ideas on the particular type of 
 mantras  
  used in TM and how they can imbalance the physiology. I believe 
 it's  
  a very forward thinking (and possibly suffering-saving) idea 
that  
  should be seriously considered. Mantra-science is a very precise  
  science when it is used properly, but when it's doled out via a 
 mere  
  list, it can be dangerous. I mean this in no way to degrade the 
 use  
  of mantra in meditation--I think it's a great thing--but it needs 
 to  
  be done properly. There a number of gurus who feel that such 
 methods  
  can be given out en masse and those who are ready, get it, those 
 who  
  don't, well that's just too bad--like casting out handfuls of 
 seed.  
  Only some will actually grow into plants, the others will land on 
 the  
  wrong conditions and simply not make it.
 
 Hear, hear ! The TM expert Vaj is at it again.

So nablus, what's your take on this situation? How do you see it or 
understand it?

[FairfieldLife] India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years

[ffia1120]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322

Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down a bit.

I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) ago on 
60 Minutes. 

I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very low 
point... 

Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to put 
their attention on putting an end to this practice?

I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going to say 
it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting record levels --
 the age of enlightenment is upon us!

I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here?

[FairfieldLife] Re: India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322
  
  Or click on Most Popular news stories on Yahoo and scroll down 
a 
 bit.
  
  I remember seeing a story about this many, many years (10 or so) 
 ago on 
  60 Minutes. 
  
  I guess the consciousness of the world is still at a very, very 
low 
  point... 
  
  Why can't the TMO send the pundits back to India and ask them to
  put their attention on putting an end to this practice?
  
  I know this is going to sound terribly sarcastic but I am going
  to say it anyway -- The TMO: The U.S. stock market is hitting 
  record levels -- the age of enlightenment is upon us!
  
  I just don't get their priorities. What am I missing here?
 
 The TMO has always cited the stock market as
 an easily trackable measure of general optimism
 and positivity, not because the state of the
 stock market is important in and of itself.
 
 In turn, rising optimism and positivity are
 seen to be characteristic of increasing
 coherence in mass consciousness, said
 coherence being the nature of enlightenment.
 
 Greater coherence in mass consciousness is
 expected to trickle down to help resolve
 specific problems in the world--of which, of
 course, there is a huge number.
 
 Focusing the pundits' attention on one specific
 problem might help solve *that* problem, but
 a general increase in coherence would presumably
 work on all the problems at once.  So the latter
 is the priority.
 
 That's the theory, at any rate.  Whether it's
 valid is another story.  But it isn't a matter
 of filling the pockets of stockholders per se
 being of a higher priority than saving the lives
 of female children in India.

I did not mean to imply that the movement thinks that filling the 
pockets of shareholders is more important. It's their selective 
choice of positive news stories as *proof* that TM is solving all 
the world's problems and the A of E is upon us. But who knows, maybe 
in India the movement does think of this as positive news. I wouldn't 
put anything past the TMO.

I sent the article to all 5 Send Us Your Global Good News email 
addresses on the GGN web site. That made me feel *much* better.

[FairfieldLife] Re: GOVERNOR RECERTIFICATION COURSE - DECEMBER 23

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
  wrote:
  
   With great gratitude for your many years of devoted service to
   Maharishi, and with best wishes for the new year. 
  
   We're so grateful, we're going to charge you for that devotion,
   or kick you out on your ass. :)
 
  Whatever, the inclusion of that statement, along
  with various other changes that have been made
  recently, does suggest the TMO has been paying
  attention to common gripes.  No matter what the
  underlying motivation is, that's new.
 
  Could it be that the coherence being generated
  by the current course has actually affected the
  TMO policy makers?
 
 No it doesn't. It's just a pacifying ego stroke statement (With 
great
 gratitude...), because what they are doing is the opposite of the
 meaning of that statement. In the political world, that would 
be 'spin'.
 And I think attributing it to coherence is just reaching for straws.
 
 JohnY


I have an interesting attributing it to coherence story.

I recently had lunch with two dear friends here in FF -- one a 
devoted True Believer, the other a dome goer when work allows but 
pretty much takes the TMO with a grain of salt.

The True Believer attributed another friend's change in mood (she is 
much happier these days, but is no longer a TMer) to the Invincible 
America course. I attributed it to the fact that the friend has a new 
boyfriend, the relationship is going well and she is happy be with 
such a nice guy. 

My question then is why is one of the guys I work with, a devoted 
True Believer who is in the dome 2 times a day, seemingly NOT 
affected by the coherence?  He throws hissy fits, temper tantrums, 
spews obscenities, slams the heck out of his keyboard, whines and 
complains nonstop and behaves like a complete jerk. Every day. (This 
has been his normal behavior for the past 5 years that I have known 
him.) Why is the coherence of the Invincible America course 
obviously not having an affect on this guy when he is in the dome 
twice a day seven days a week?

I find it perplexing. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moral Choices, Build another pundit campus?

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
   dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
   snip 
   
   Not much like Harvard or Yale actually.  The integrity is way 
  higher 
 much more transparent at the real universities.  
Differently, 
  at 
MUM it takes so much more money when half of it disappears 
   abroad.  
No surprize that 250 people have backed out of providing 
their 
   money 
to Maharaishi now and the TMorg.  The word is out.

It is about integrity and this money thing kind of goes in 
the 
   same 
catagory with the movement not being able to easily attract 
the 
   2,000 
or 1700 people (M.E.) it was wishing for without  hirlings.  

It is a sad story about the loss of integrity and a fallen 
 guru.  
Look at the money problem, their research and their pr, they 
 are 
apparently liars, cheaters and stealers in method.  Qualities 
 not 
usually associated with integrity.  We'll see if Maharishi 
can 
 re-
write things as they have become at the end of his book in 
the 
   final 
chapter.  

Lots of people will write the epilogue when the time is ready 
 and 
there is a lot of material for that.

-Doug in FF
   
   I don't really see it as a problem with integrity- In other 
words 
 I 
   don't think the money is being used to enrich anyone. As I've 
 said 
   before the TMO including MUM has always struck me as nearly 
 povery 
   ridden. The problem is that they feel they are not accountable 
to 
   their benefactors. I feel incalculable gratitude for 
Maharishi's 
   knowledge and could not really put a price tag on it. Having 
said 
   that, I give almost nothing to the Movement, because of 
   this however we spend it is the best way, and no, we don't 
have 
 to 
   tell you how because we are saving the world attitude. Or more 
   precisely, when they pretend not to have the described attitude 
 and 
   it leaks out anyway. I would feel better if they just said, we 
  need 
   money again for continued operations and left it at that.
  
  
  Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people 
 feel 
  here.  It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about 
  integrity.  You live in FF and count yourself in the domes?  You 
go 
  to the domes?  Would you if you live here?
  
  There are catagories of folk here.  All meditators, some who 
could 
  like to go but who are administratively denied,  some who look 
the 
  other way while going, some tru-believer types who make their 
moral 
  chice to look the other way and see no evil, some who simply do 
not 
  condone the bad behaviour and choose not to go  instead meditate 
 in 
  other groups or at home during dome times.  It all is experience 
  driven.  
  
  It is a lot about integrity of consciousness and how people gauge 
 for 
  that.  People make moral choices all the time which 
  are also very much about Maharishi's integrity.  Your comments 
are 
  entirely common here around the TMorg, even people living on 
campus 
  or up in Vedic City.  It is fascinating to watch.  
  
  It is about character and integrity and people deal with it in a 
  variety of ways.  That they (Maharishi and the TM0rg) could not 
  acheive the numbers for the Maharishi Effect without hiring 
people 
  and importing pundits,  still try to separate people from their 
  money after all the other fundraising  conversion of assets?  
  
  People sit with it differently but the numbers in the aggregate 
  medtitating community have not been good for the TMorg for a 
 while.   
  It is also about integrity in the marketplace and the 
  meditating community.  Maharishi seemed to have fallen in the 
scale 
  of things.  So it is.  I am quite hopeful in the end because 
there 
  are so many really good people around here.  It still is a great 
  spiritual practice community to be in, like that Iowa 
motto, Iowa, 
 a 
  great place to grow.  There is also an enduring collective hope 
 and 
  prayer that Maharishi and the TMorg will grow out of its bad 
  behaviours and spiritual arrogance.  He's got time left in him 
yet.
  
  --Doug in FF
 
 An american posing as an expert in character, intergrity and moral 
 issues ? I'm sorry, but HAHAHA !

You are SO RIGHT!! Look at that American John Hagelin!! A perfect 
example! Talk about someone thinking he is morally superior! And then 
there's the character and integrity issue! He has none! Heaven help 
the American TMO! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A letter someone sent me:
 
  
 
 Hi Jo Ann,
 
 Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get 
scared or
 worried about what may happen shortly.
 
 He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or 
watch the
 news for some time.
 
 Not to be concerned about what this or that president may do or say.
 
 He also said something like - this may be the last time we can be 
together.
 
 If that means he is about to leave the body, or it may be the end 
of the
 course - time will tell.
 
  
 
 Maharishi has told Vedic City to build housing for 1,000 pundits to 
live
 there.
 
 The numbers in the dome are now getting close to the superradiance 
number
 needed for the US.
 
 All the best,
 
 Roy


Why would MMY think that all these dome goers might be afraid? What 
is the point of TMing for 30+ years if you are going to be afraid of 
which way the wind is blowing? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Best Vet, Best Chiropractor, Best Doctor, Best Hang out?

[ffia1120]

Hi Art,
I don't know you but have lived in FF 26 years (undergrad and grad from 
MIU).

Best vet - Fairfield Vet Clinic, on west Burlington (there is a 
meditator vet on E. Madison but he botched a kitty spay and I never 
went back to him, even tho' he is a nice guy)

Best Chiropractor - again, not a meditator, but a real bone cracker who 
gets the job done and explains everything he is doing -- Dr. Hunt on S. 
Main (takes insurance too) - just off the square and down from Natural 
Selections.

Best Doctor - mine is in Iowa City. If you're looking for local, maybe 
someone else on this list can recommend one.

Best Hang Out - Revelations on N. Main - just off the square. Great 
atmosphere and pretty good pizza. Coffee and scones are good too.

Welcome!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All,
 I decided not to post until I actually arrived in Fairfield. After
 a long, long, journey I am finally living and working here. Problem is
 that I hardly know anyone... or maybe I do, it's just that I have lost
 touch over the years.  Any info on getting connected, or anyone out
 there that remembers me from MIU TTC 1975, Orange County CA.(1970s),
 Vittel 1975 TTC, I would love to hear from you.
 
 Art Budilowsky

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

[ffia1120]

See post #123366 for the story as it appeared in the Weekly Reader. 
(one typo -- paragraph 5 should say The Post reporter.. 
not report.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and 
post on 
  FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader.  
Entitled 
  Sanitizing the  Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg 
  taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about 
  Maharishi's MUM, Vedic City and TM- Fairfield and their taking 
the 
  article, re-publishing it and sanitizing it further.  More than a 
  couple of touch-up evidently as Thom reviews further what was 
done.
 SNIP
 
 I'm not familiar with how they sanitized the article, but I read the
 Post article and was surprised how positive it was considering how
 many different other ways it could have gone - hard to imagine the 
tmo
 being disappointed in it.
 
 But I remember a few years ago when MMY was on Larry King show - 
prior
 to the airing the tmo put out some statements attempting to downplay
 the importance of the show, almost discouraging tmers from 
watching. 
 I assumed the interview (which had already been taped) hadn't gone
 very well for MMY, but it turned out to have been a typical Larry 
King
 interview in which he didn't ask any tough questions and pretty much
 put MMY on a small pedestal throughout.  I guess if the press 
doesn't
 completely mimic the party line like bevan or hagelin do then the 
tmo
 considers it didn't go that well.

[FairfieldLife] Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

[ffia1120]

I just picked up the Weekly Reader at the Amoco station here in FF. 
Local TMer Thom Krystofiak (I think he posts here sometimes, doesn't 
he?) wrote a front page story, Santizing the Fairfield Story about 
the TMO's whitewashing of the recent article in the Washington Post. 
I am so glad the Weekly Reader has the balls (sorry fellas) to 
publish this kind of story.

Here is Thom's article as it appeared in its entirety in the 
Fairfield Weekly Reader. Way to go Thom! 

Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

The TM movement is justifiably proud of the glowing, front-page 
feature article on Fairfield and Vedic City that appeared in the 
Washington Post's travel section on Sunday. As John Hagelin rightly 
observed, one could not buy this kind of stunning publicity, 
delivered to the Sunday brunch tables of the movers and shakers in 
Washington. Dr. Hagelin also declared, a tad more hyperbolically 
perhaps, that with the flowering of the Invincible America course 
Fairfield has become The most important place in the entire 
universe.

To the extent that this is true, would it not be best to allow 
Fairfield to show itself in all its true colors? Yet when the 
movement, on Monday, sent the Post article to its extensive mailing 
lists, quite a few changes had silently been made.

It started innocently enough. The first paragraph in the Post's 
version told us that Marie-Helene Tourenne… left the coq au vin to 
simmer. In the new version her cooking had become more nondescript, 
and she left meals to simmer. Since chicken and wine have no 
rightful place amongst us, someone decided that we should remove the 
details about what our French chef was in fact cooking.

There were more substantive edits. The title of the original piece 
was OM on the Grange, but that was morphed to Transcendental 
Iowa. And two misleading references to TM being a breathing 
technique were fixed up. One might have expected these corrections to 
be made via Editor's Notes, leaving the originals in place, but the 
more stealthy approach of direct alteration was chosen.

The boldest stroke of sanitization came next. The Post report took in 
many of the sights and shops of our community. At one point he 
said, Besides the MUM campus, practitioners can pore over meditation 
literature at 21st Century Books. They can visit Maharishi Vedic 
City, a model town founded by TM followers just outside Fairfield. Or 
they can shop at Thymely Solutions, which specializes in homeopathic 
remedies, and other boutiques started by meditators. In the new 
version, two named businesses disappeared from the list: Besides the 
MUM campus, practitioners can visit Maharish Vedic City, a model town 
founded by TM followers just outside Fairfield. Or they can shop at 
the many stores and boutiques started by meditators.

Apparently the existence of books about meditation and the existence 
of homeopathic remedies in our town would be embarrassing or 
confusing to someone, and it was felt they deserved to be suppressed. 
If not, hapless readers might get a sense that our community includes 
diversity in its approaches to health and in the range of its 
spiritual curiosities. On the other hand, the names of acceptable 
establishments remain in the new article, including The Raj, 
Revelations, Americus Galleries and others.

I do not mean to sully the general celebratory mood in Fairfield 
these days. Interesting and wonderful things are happening, worthy of 
celebration. Let's hope that as our success and our accomplishments 
continue to grow, we in turn grow beyond the need to whitewash the 
diverse details of life as lived in this community.

Read the original article by Gary Lee of the Washington Post at 
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111000463.html. Read the altered 
version at http://www.invincibleamerica.org/.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith Hill is Pissed!

[ffia1120]

Some day you may be a senile old man! 

And when you go to vote, the hot young poll workers will look at you 
and think, What's that old fart doing casting a vote? He probably 
can't remember is own name.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip] 
 I also had younger poll workers this time.  That was good to see.  
The 
 day of senile old ladies running the show who can't remember the 
 training they got is hopefully over.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Halloween the New Christmas?

[ffia1120]

As a kid, I always liked Halloween more than Christmas. All that candy -
- pure bliss! I bought my Halloween candy this morning (otherwise I eat 
it all before the kiddies arrive) and as I sit here at work, I am 
enjoying a Smarties buzz. Woo hoo! :-) Anyone else here love those 
incredibly sour Smarties candy (kind of like Sweetarts)? I'm sure 
they're loaded with all kinds of bad stuff but they are so good. 

Enjoy your dinner and a movie. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone notice how soon the stores got their Halloween stuff out this 
 year and how much it there was.  I'd swear that getting stuck in 
 Thursday's rush hour traffic some people were taking a 5 day holiday 
for 
 Halloween.   Turns out that Halloween is now second only to Christmas 
 for decorating:
 http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/print?id=2617781
 
 Halloween means I find a restaurant and a movie to go see rather than 
be 
 bugged answering the door all night long.  I bet some of you do the 
same.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Halloween the New Christmas?

[ffia1120]

I never had to perform a trick to get my treats -- sounds like a fun 
tradition, though. I did discover one year, when I had a 
costume malfunction and had to run home to have mom fix it, that 
when I went back out on my own, people gave me MORE candy. I guess 
they felt sorry for poor little old me out there Trick or Treating 
all by myself. I hit the candy jackpot that year. :-)

BTW Curtis, what's your sister Cammie up to these days? I worked with 
her many lifetimes ago when we were both Ayurvedic techs in pink 
cotton uniforms. Very sweet and gracious woman. You can respond to my 
yahoo email account if you want. ffia1120 at yahoo dot com. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Halloween means I find a restaurant and a movie to go see rather
 than be bugged answering the door all night long. I bet some of you 
do
 the same.
 
 Since I don't have kids I enjoy being the mayor of munchkin town for
 an evening.  When we were kids we used to perform a trick for our
 treat.  Did anyone else grow up with that custom?  I used to recite 
an
 ever so ribald poem to the slightly toasted adults in our
 neighborhood.  It was a formative experience for me becoming a
 performer.  I think that was a nicer custom than the slightly 
menacing
 give us a treat or we play a trick on your house vibe of some kids
 today. It made me practice, and having to deliver the poem so many
 times really helped me understand how to deliver it for laughs.
  
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  As a kid, I always liked Halloween more than Christmas. All that 
candy -
  - pure bliss! I bought my Halloween candy this morning (otherwise 
I eat 
  it all before the kiddies arrive) and as I sit here at work, I am 
  enjoying a Smarties buzz. Woo hoo! :-) Anyone else here love 
those 
  incredibly sour Smarties candy (kind of like Sweetarts)? I'm sure 
  they're loaded with all kinds of bad stuff but they are so 
good. 
  
  Enjoy your dinner and a movie. :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  
   Anyone notice how soon the stores got their Halloween stuff out 
this 
   year and how much it there was.  I'd swear that getting stuck 
in 
   Thursday's rush hour traffic some people were taking a 5 day 
holiday 
  for 
   Halloween.   Turns out that Halloween is now second only to 
Christmas 
   for decorating:
   http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/print?id=2617781
   
   Halloween means I find a restaurant and a movie to go see 
rather than 
  be 
   bugged answering the door all night long.  I bet some of you do 
the 
  same.
  
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Halloween the New Christmas?

[ffia1120]

I had a paper route too -- passed down from my two older brothers. 
There were not many (if any) girl paper carriers back then (66/67), 
so I think I got more Christmas bonuses than my brothers when they 
had the route. Don Kimmet at Kimmet's Appliance Store would give me a 
dime (during the summer months) for an ice cream cone next door at 
the Dairy Queen. He was a friend of my parents. Very sweet 
memories. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I never had to perform a trick to get my treats -- sounds like a 
 fun 
  tradition, though. I did discover one year, when I had a 
  costume malfunction and had to run home to have mom fix it, 
that 
  when I went back out on my own, people gave me MORE candy. I 
guess 
  they felt sorry for poor little old me out there Trick or 
Treating 
  all by myself. I hit the candy jackpot that year. :-)
 
 
 I had several paper routes as a kid.  The big pay-off was Christmas 
 time and I found if I invested in a personalized Christmas card for 
 each client which I would include in their papers, I really scored 
 well in the Christmas Bonus department if I would go on my 
 usual collections that night.
 
 Then when I quit my route, it was during the Spring and I was 
 worried because I would be missing out on Christmas tips.  So when 
I 
 went collecting for the last time I told the clients that it was my 
 last time seeing them as I was quitting the route because I decided 
 to go back to school and no longer be a drop-out but that it would 
 be tough  because the family needed the money.  I was about 11 when 
 I did this.
 
 Looking back on it, I don't think any of the clients believed me 
but 
 I did get plenty of bonuses...probably because they gave me points 
 for having the balls to come up with such a cock-and-bull story. 
 Plus we lived in a nice middle-class suburb and they all pretty 
well 
 knew my parents.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  BTW Curtis, what's your sister Cammie up to these days? I worked 
 with 
  her many lifetimes ago when we were both Ayurvedic techs in pink 
  cotton uniforms. Very sweet and gracious woman. You can respond 
to 
 my 
  yahoo email account if you want. ffia1120 at yahoo dot com. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
Halloween means I find a restaurant and a movie to go see 
 rather
   than be bugged answering the door all night long. I bet some of 
 you 
  do
   the same.
   
   Since I don't have kids I enjoy being the mayor of munchkin 
town 
 for
   an evening.  When we were kids we used to perform a trick for 
our
   treat.  Did anyone else grow up with that custom?  I used to 
 recite 
  an
   ever so ribald poem to the slightly toasted adults in our
   neighborhood.  It was a formative experience for me becoming a
   performer.  I think that was a nicer custom than the slightly 
  menacing
   give us a treat or we play a trick on your house vibe of some 
 kids
   today. It made me practice, and having to deliver the poem so 
 many
   times really helped me understand how to deliver it for laughs.

   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
As a kid, I always liked Halloween more than Christmas. All 
 that 
  candy -
- pure bliss! I bought my Halloween candy this morning 
 (otherwise 
  I eat 
it all before the kiddies arrive) and as I sit here at work, 
I 
 am 
enjoying a Smarties buzz. Woo hoo! :-) Anyone else here 
love 
  those 
incredibly sour Smarties candy (kind of like Sweetarts)? I'm 
 sure 
they're loaded with all kinds of bad stuff but they are 
so 
  good. 

Enjoy your dinner and a movie. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
 wrote:

 Anyone notice how soon the stores got their Halloween stuff 
 out 
  this 
 year and how much it there was.  I'd swear that getting 
 stuck 
  in 
 Thursday's rush hour traffic some people were taking a 5 
day 
  holiday 
for 
 Halloween.   Turns out that Halloween is now second only to 
  Christmas 
 for decorating:
 http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/print?id=2617781
 
 Halloween means I find a restaurant and a movie to go see 
  rather than 
be 
 bugged answering the door all night long.  I bet some of 
you 
 do 
  the 
same.

   
  
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Halloween the New Christmas?

[ffia1120]

This made me laugh out loud. Sounds just like someone I used to date. 
He was a very funny, high maintenance guy.

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 Larry felt he was being discriminated
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

[ffia1120]

I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
before he got invloved with the TMO.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
 learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
 Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
 issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
course? 
 He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
 virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
 his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
 other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any 
of
 this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
 
 His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding 
out
 food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
 food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
 nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
 He claims  that after the three week course with the 
Shankaracharya ,
 he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come 
to
 him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
 birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
 them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
pigeons
 love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.
 
 Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his 
lips,
 if they are moving, bingo!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

[ffia1120]

Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too involved 
with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. But 
the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I got a 
technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I cannot 
for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders of 
the aging brain.) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
  before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston 
area 
  before he got invloved with the TMO.
 
 So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
 See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
 technique by '87.
 
 
 
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to 
have
   learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
   Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time 
line
   issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
  course? 
   He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
   virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
right in
   his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and 
some
   other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could 
any 
  of
   this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
   
   His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
Holding 
  out
   food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
Without the
   food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
   nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at 
first. 
   He claims  that after the three week course with the 
  Shankaracharya ,
   he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to 
come 
  to
   him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed 
the
   birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't 
eat
   them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
  pigeons
   love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
finish.
   
   Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch 
his 
  lips,
   if they are moving, bingo!
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
  learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
  Shankaracharya in 1980.
 
 
 That just sounds so ODD.

I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making 
excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, OK, in '84 I 
graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And 
what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And 
when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to 
stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a 
liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a 
combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

[ffia1120]

Curtis,
No, I did not get picked up in a limo at the airport. I was invited 
(along with some other TMers) to his daughter's Indian dance recital -
- can't remember what it's called - kind of like a coming out dance 
recital(?) - and I drove to his office the following day. It was '87.

Your description of the techniques I can no longer remember sounds 
familiar, though.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ffia1120,
 
 Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to 
get
 your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
 MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a 
long
 induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix 
of
 techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a 
nightime
 technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
 felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your 
health
 cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say don't
 tempt an honest man.  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our 
fists
 full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have 
thought
 to himself, Popa needs a new pair of shoes!
 
 I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
 association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from 
the
 Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover 
by
 being too specific about how he did the techniques.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing 
medicine) 
  prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or 
has 
  his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too 
involved 
  with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. 
But 
  the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I 
got a 
  technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I 
cannot 
  for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders 
of 
  the aging brain.) 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly 
not 
before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the 
Boston 
  area 
before he got invloved with the TMO.
   
   So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met 
MMY? 
   See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's 
Chopra
   technique by '87.
   
   
   
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed 
to 
  have
 learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
 Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting 
time 
  line
 issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a 
sidhi 
course? 
 He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, 
some
 virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
  right in
 his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, 
and 
  some
 other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  
Could 
  any 
of
 this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
 
 His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
  Holding 
out
 food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
  Without the
 food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've 
got
 nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic 
at 
  first. 
 He claims  that after the three week course with the 
Shankaracharya ,
 he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it 
to 
  come 
to
 him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to 
feed 
  the
 birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds 
can't 
  eat
 them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain 
but 
pigeons
 love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
  finish.
 
 Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  
Watch 
  his 
lips,
 if they are moving, bingo!
   
  
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF/TMO Relationships

[ffia1120]

Actually Michael Dimick dated Lindsey Oliver for quite a while when she 
was an MIU student. Back in the early 80s. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the old days Michael was never with any woman..
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:09:12 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] FF/TMO Relationships
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
 
   
  Michael Dimick ended up with her.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!

[ffia1120]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

   coldbluiceman wrote:
   snip
   Well, it won't buy Lil Mishmashi 
   Brahmachari Mahesh's ticket back to 
   India. The Lil mantra-$elling -freak-Mahesh 
   will die in exile in 
   Holland. And, his old pals 
   Swami Vasudevananda or Sri Ravi Shankara
   won't even show when they plow his corpse 
   under in the tuplip garden 
   out back.
  
  Namaste Sir Stephen,
  
  You seem somewhat fixated on the funeral
  arrangements for Mahesh. May 
  I ask why? 
 
 Namaskar Sir Steve Ji,
 yes you certainly may inquire : )

But of course that does not mean you are going to answer his question.

...i must politely take exception 
 with uour assesmnet of my fixation.
 i really and truly could care less what happens to Brahmachari 

Then why the constant harping about it over and over and over in 
numerous posts?

 Mehesh when he passes. as i said 6 years ago over at a.m.t.-
 ,  Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh will die in exile fallen and in 
dis-
 grace in Holland far from his former ashram at Jyosimutt.
 i am just reminding Ms. Judy and Lawson of the truth of my words 6 
 years ago, and how those words remain true to this day.

So you're fixated on MMYs death because you're trying to prove a 
point to Judy and Lawson?  

 It is so pathetic to hear of him now curled up in a log cabin in 
 Holland blind and unable to walk don't you think?

What is really pathetic is your obsession with The Lil mantra-
$elling-freak-Mahesh death and your obvious anger and resentment 
towards him.

Thirty years from now you'll still be harping about MMYs death and 
people will ask, Who was MMY? No one will care but YOU. But by 
then, who knows, maybe you will be curled up in your house blind and 
unable to walk. It sometimes happens when people grow old. It's 
called life.

Clearly you're carrying around a lot of emotional baggage with 
regards to The Lil mantra-$elling-freak-Mahesh. After 6 years I'd 
say it's time for you to deal with your anger/resentment/betrayal 
issues with MMY and *move on* in your life. 

A LOT of people have and so can you!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  
  So you are still into the silly stuff?
  I thought you would have out grown that by now.
 
 Outgrown being light-hearted and silly? Gawd, I hope not. What I 
have
 outgrown, for the most part, is seeking division, disharmony, and
 conflict with others.
  
  How is the rammed-earth wall house holding up?
 
 Very well. And, we've added on to it a wee bit and changed the
 landscape some. You can see it here:
 
 http://alex.natel.net/house/new/

I liked the pictures of your house, but found the cat photos much 
more interesting and The Hork Collection quite... stunning. :-) One 
of my cats catches squirrels and beheads them. Doesn't hork them up 
though. Thank goodness!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Namaste  Sir Alex John,
 Most repectfully- I politely take exception to your way of thinking 
 and conditioning.
 So, I am straight(alawys been) happily married (to the same woman) 
 with 4 kids(w/same wife) for almost 15 years because I suffer from 
 as you said-, supersitiion-based societal conditioning?.
 
 I was under the impression that the marriage I have been engaging 
 in, is referred to as Vedic householder dharma. 
---

Your posts are very mean-spirited and filled with venom. I wonder how 
much of that spills out on your wife and 4 kids? Or do you hold it in 
around them and save your anger/hatred rants (disguised with niceties 
like I politely take exception) for FFLife alone? I honestly feel 
sorry for your kids. You sound like my dad - a rage-aholic who 
belittled and blamed everyone for any reason he could muster. He was 
a truly miserable person.

And now your describing yourself as a Vedic householder? All of your 
previous posts make it clear that you hate MMY/TMO and anything even 
remotely associated with it.

Put the past (TMO/MMY/etc.) behind you. Close the door and move on. 
Your kids will thank you.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  ffia1120 wrote:
   coldbluiceman  wrote:
   snip
  Your posts are very mean-spirited and 
  filled with venom. 
 
 Namaste ffia1120,
 I must politely take exception with your appraisal of my posts.
 
 As you apparently claim-, you are of those exceptional persons 
 gifted omnipotent insightfullness that decipher the emotional 
 content of pixels generated on your computer's monitor hundreds (if 
 not thousands) of miles from another.
 
  I wonder how 
  much of that spills out on your wife and 4 kids? 
 
 I don't know?..your the expert please tell me.
 
  Or do you hold it in 
  around them and save your anger/hatred rants 
 
 I really do not like to disappoint you but I don't rant.
 
  (disguised with niceties 
  like I politely take exception) for FFLife alone?
 
 PRANAMS!!
 Most respectfully and with deepest humility my niceties are quite 
 sincere.
 
  I honestly feel 
  sorry for your kids.
 
  You sound like my dad -
 
 Wow..you are incredible..you can hear sounds from fonts that 
similar 
 to your dad..was your dad real?  Or was he fonts on a monitor?
 
   a rage-aholic who 
  belittled and blamed everyone for
  any reason he could muster. 
  He was 
  a truly miserable person.
 
 I am truly and deeply sorry that your dad was so mean to you.
 But, now your all emotionally attached to Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari 
 Mahesh??
 ..Who told you could {ph}ly?
 
  And now your describing yourself as a Vedic householder?
 
  All of your 
  previous posts make it clear 
  that you hate MMY/TMO and anything even 
  remotely associated with it.
 
 No.., I am really pleased to see Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh  
 is lying in exile in Holland, alone without one single Vedic Pandit 
 or legimate Shankaracharya to perform the requiste Vedic Funeral 
 Rites.
 
  Put the past (TMO/MMY/etc.) behind you.
  Close the door and move on. 
 
 I did. The question is-- can you?
 
 Please for your own sake do it sooner rather than later.
  Your kids will thank you.
 

Your reply proves my point. Belittling, berating, dismissing, mean-
spirited -- but in that singy-songy voice of a true believer. I 
think it's called passive-agressive - Dr. Pete would be the expert 
there. For someone who hates the TMO/MMY as much as you do, you sure 
seem obsessed with it -- especially MMYs death. 

BTW - I do not follow MMY or the TMO any more and have not for 8-9 
years. I have closed the door and moved on.

I still feel sorry for your kids, though.

And my dad? We all made peace with him before he died. I hope the 
next time around he is born into a family who loves, adores, respects 
and appreciates him. He certainly deserves it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Upcoming CIC Schedule, Costs

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   Sure lest see..4 times each spaced
15 seconds apart.. samyama(just 
   like you think the mantra) on each
   Friendliness
   Happiness
   Compassion
   Strength of an elephant
   Bronchial tubes
   sun 
   moon
   pole star
   transcendence finest..hearing..taste..touch..sight..smell
   transcendence intuition
   Relationship body and akasha..lightness of cotton fiber.
   
   There I just saved everyone a boat load of cash..

You certainly did! It now costs $100 to get your Sidhis checked by a 
TM Sidhi course administrator (or whatever they are called). Thanks 
for the refresher course.





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[FairfieldLife] Test of Brahmin Consciousness

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I have a friend from out of town who is in the domes 7-8 hours a day. 
She told me last night that in the Monday morning meeting, people were 
being asked to call their friends to try to get them to come to the 
course. My friend said that MMY or Bevan (can't remember which) said it 
would be a test of their (course particpants) Brahmin consciousness if 
they could get people to come to the dome.

I asked her what did it say about MMY's level of Brahmin consciousness 
since he obviously has not been able to convince people to come to the 
course? Personally, I do not believe that trying to convince someone to 
come to the course should be a test of one's level of consciousness.

What was funny about this conversation was that in the middle of it my 
phone rang and a woman from the golden dome office tried to convince me 
to come to the dome. I was nice, polite and respectful, but told her I 
was not interested.

BTW: In my one block FF neighborhood, on my side of the street alone, 
there are 8 sidhas. Zero go to the dome. On the opposite side of the 
street there are 7 sidhas, 2 of whom go to the dome. The numbers they 
want are easily here in FF, but the faithful are not.






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[FairfieldLife] $500 phone call

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When I got home from work today I had a message on my machine from 
Patricia Cox of the Golden Domes office inviting me to earn 
$500/month by flying in the domes for 3 hours a day -- that was the 
stipulation -- you had to agree to fly for 3 hours total a day to get 
the $500/mo. 

I have not been in the dome in over 8 years (I live in Fairfield) so I 
don't know if they are calling local people who have not been in the 
domes in a long time or what.

Anyone else get a phone call? I was told to call 472-1212 if I was 
interested. The husband of a good friend of mine works in the TSR 
office and I know he can't understand why I don't go to the dome, so I 
am thinking that may be why I got the call.

I am most definitely not interested in going back to the dome -- no 
matter how much money they waive under my nose. It just isn't my thing 
anymore. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - deservability

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 8/18/06 9:37 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:


So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you 
 have to
lie to
participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her
principles to get
what she wanted.

Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is 
 right
for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might 
 be.
After all it is she who created the reality that she was 
 denied
access to the domes. Why blame others?
   
  Apparently, she feels right about telling the truth, and then 
 continuing to
  take action when this doesn¹t produce results.
 
  What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your 
 deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much since 
she 
 is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate in 
 the Dome.


Very interesting point nablus108. And what does it say about the 
movement's deservablity that the Invincible America course has been 
such an utter failure -- unable to fulfill even such a simple desire 
as to bring even a measely thousand sidhas to Fairfield to meditate 
in the Dome?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to specify 
that it is
  being spent for 
  that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything it 
wants as
  long as it is still
  in the charter for it's existence.
  
 Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that needed
 fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the road,
 specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would disappear 
and the
 road wouldn¹t be fixed.

When I was a student at MIU I lived in one of the Pods up near the 
Learning Center. When a young, new student developed a lot of allergy 
problems in our Pod, her mother sent the university money to have the 
heating ducts cleaned out as she thought it would help allieve her 
daughter's allergies. You can bet those heating ducts never got cleaned 
out. The student ended up moving into HW, where the only problem there 
was lots of mice.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - deservability

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to your 
   deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much 
since 
  she 
   is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to meditate 
 in 
   the Dome.
  
  
  Very interesting point nablus108. And what does it say about the 
  movement's deservablity that the Invincible America course has 
 been 
  such an utter failure -- unable to fulfill even such a simple 
 desire 
  as to bring even a measely thousand sidhas to Fairfield to 
 meditate 
  in the Dome?
 
 I don't think it matters for the Movement per se whether this 
course 
 is a failure or success, so the deservability of the Movement is 
 irrelevant. What matters is what could happen in America if the 
 Americans do not respond and the ME is not at its strongest. I'm 
not 
 into spreading fear, but suggest you read Lou Valentinos 
predictions 
 for 2006. You will find it at : http://www.yogavisionaries.com 
 And if you are an american I suggest you get into the Dome as soon 
 as possible. If the numbers do not reach 1700, Maharishi could say; 
 well, at least we tried.

I disagree. It matters greatly to the TMO whether or not the course 
is a failure or success, or John Hagelin wouldn't be sending out more 
fear-mongering appeals to get people here. Image is everthing to the 
movement. Everything. You are the one who brought up the issue 
of deservability and I say the TMO is getting what they deserve - 
apathy from both their followers and former followers.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - deservability

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
  wrote:
  
  What does running aroung to all sorts of saints do to 
your 
 deserving ability, your consciousness. Apparently not much 
  since 
she 
 is not able to fulfill even such a simple desire as to 
 meditate 
   in 
 the Dome.


Very interesting point nablus108. And what does it say about 
 the 
movement's deservablity that the Invincible America course 
 has 
   been 
such an utter failure -- unable to fulfill even such a simple 
   desire 
as to bring even a measely thousand sidhas to Fairfield to 
   meditate 
in the Dome?
   
   I don't think it matters for the Movement per se whether this 
  course 
   is a failure or success, so the deservability of the Movement 
 is 
   irrelevant. What matters is what could happen in America if the 
   Americans do not respond and the ME is not at its strongest. 
I'm 
  not 
   into spreading fear, but suggest you read Lou Valentinos 
  predictions 
   for 2006. You will find it at : http://www.yogavisionaries.com 
   And if you are an american I suggest you get into the Dome as 
 soon 
   as possible. If the numbers do not reach 1700, Maharishi could 
 say; 
   well, at least we tried.
  
  I disagree. It matters greatly to the TMO whether or not the 
course 
  is a failure or success, or John Hagelin wouldn't be sending out 
 more 
  fear-mongering appeals to get people here. Image is everthing to 
 the 
  movement. Everything. You are the one who brought up the issue 
  of deservability and I say the TMO is getting what they 
deserve - 
  apathy from both their followers and former followers.
 
 Fine. But if there is a huge earthquake in California this year, if 
 another storm, stronger than Katrina hits the US, if the causalties 
 in Iraq rise dramatically; who will feel the loss - the americans 
or 
 the Movement ?
 
 Somehow I am afraid that the cynisism that has griped so many of 
you 
 have made you out of touch with reality.

Re: But if there is a huge earthquake in California this year, if 
 another storm, stronger than Katrina hits the US, if the causalties 
 in Iraq rise dramatically.

I though you said you were not into spreading fear? BTW, the 
casualities in Iraq HAVE been rising dramatically. Haven't you been 
watching the news? I guess everyone is consumed by the JonBenet story.

Re: out of touch with reality

Sorry, but I think it is you who is out of touch with reality if you 
believe that the dome numbers have any type of an effect on what 
happens in the US, let alone the world.

There is a naturally occurring ebb and flow of life on earth and it 
has nothing to do with the number of people sitting in a dome out in 
fly-over country. You put way too much self importance on yourself 
and the TMO.

And I am now on my way out the door and on my way to the beach for a 
week of much-deserved vacation. Aaaahhh... Can't wait to feel those 
waves lickin' my toes. Now *that* will be a blissful experience and 
make me happy and that happiness will spread to other people and make 
the world a better place. Or am I out of touch with reality? :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Weekly Reader Anonymous Letter to the Editor

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I just picked up the Weekly Reader at Everybody's and read an 
anonymous letter titled Make it 1730 for Peace  written by A 
Fairfield Sidha. The person is asking that more people join the 
course because The largest nuimber of Sihas we have reached is about 
1300. and they need 1730 for the Super Radiance requirement.

I have read some very intelligent, well-thought-out responses here in 
the past few weeks suggesting why the TMO cannot get the numbers they 
want in the domes for this course.

Since it appears that the Weekly Reader will publish anonymous 
letters to the editor, perhaps someone here can write a level-headed, 
stick-to-the-facts rebuttal as to what the real reasons are that even 
though we easily have 1730 Sidhas already living in FF, a good number 
of them no longer care about being in the dome or want to have 
anything to do with the TMO. 

Any takers? 

The Weekly Reader email address is: 
articles'at'fairfieldweeklyreader.com





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote:
   
   The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy 
goes 
 on
   and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies 
he
   was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once 
does he
   say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of 
 these
   things.
   
  For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about 
 anybody.
  Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet 
 with him.
  MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations.
 
 It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with 
 Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'.

My money is on Yep. The Kaplan's did not amass their fortune by 
sitting on their hands and being shy, meek or submissive. They were 
pretty forceful guys. And if/when they started to raise a stink about 
where the money was going, the TBs would have tried to keep them away 
from MMY. Have you ever heard of anyone with a bone to pick with MMY 
getting close to him?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
 goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive
 and well. 
 
 And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of
 the age of enlightenment

Sparaig has admitted to the fact that he does not always have time to 
do his program - one reason being that he is so busy posting moronic 
messages on FF Life.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't mind putting 
 thoughts in their heads, and pretending you can read their minds, 
which 
 you do *all the time,* Judy.
 
 Sal
 
 
 On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  Priorities, priorities.
 
  Yeah, except that's NOT WHAT HE SAID.
 
  Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't
  mind putting words in their mouth.

Good point Sal. Personally, I no longer read posts by authfriend or 
spairag. Waste of time.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 [Big Snip]
 But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're trying 
to give it 

[Big Snip]

REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST YEAR
 
 Back to our main story:
 In my original post (and now amended to use the higher initiation num-
 bers), I went on to take this fact (number of local initiations) and 
ex-
 pand upon it: 50 initiations here times 155 similar TM-teaching loca-
 tions around the country (see www.tm.org) = 7750 people starting TM in
 the U.S. this past year (not counting the black market initiations).

Since the Movement is so good at blowing its own horn -- I think most 
people would agree they've got it down to a science -- why aren't they 
talking it up, issuing press releases and telling all the Invincible 
America course participants about these initiation numbers?

Why, at 35+ years on, would the Movement suddenly stop blowing its own 
horn about the success of the recertified teachers? 

The Movement has a major credibility issue not only with those who do 
not follow it any longer, but even the TBs are cynical or at least wary 
of claims made by the TMO -- even if the claims are true.

One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show up in 
FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one from 
Diane Comey announcing: The Pundits Are Coming So where are they? 
A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have lost 
faith and moved on.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The reason for this discrepancy between the number registered and the 
 number attending is that the course is free. People who have no 
particular 
 interest in going to the dome are getting their badges updated 
because they 
 think that perhaps, maybe, they might want to put in an appearance at 
some 
 time in the future. But mostly they don't go. The movement is always 
criticized 
 for being too much concerned with money, but now they are offering 
 something of value for nothing, it becomes clear that unless you 
charge 
 something, people don't value what you offer. 

One friend of mine signed up for the course, went to the dome for three 
days, and then left town for a vacation at the shore, which had been 
planned months ago. She is enjoying the bliss of the boundless Atlantic 
ocean. Stuffy dome or an endless breeze on the beach? H...

I know of a couple of other FF people who signed up to see if they 
could actually get back in the dome after being out for a long time 
(years), got accepted, got registered, but have no real desire to be in 
the dome. Hence, they do their program at home.

Maybe some of the out-of-towners are hanging out at the local coffee 
houses, yukking it up with dear, old friends. A very blissful, sweet  
experience.

You do what makes you happy.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:55 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
  On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:02 PM, sparaig wrote:
  snip
  But at least they could have an accurate head count and know
  where they stand.
 
  I'd guess we're talking 300 to 500 max.
 
  How funny!  No need to guess; It's between 1,000 and 1,100.
 
 
 No, if they had to pay a full course fee. A freebee gives you  
 evidence in the opposite direction.
 
 This is an interesting point for a couple of reasons. One is that  
 really, truly, M. has to face the music: his movement has moved 
on.  
 Another way of looking at it: his catalytic effect as being one of  
 the first people to bring the idea of non-sectarian gnosis/jnana 
to  
 many people, is at it's end phase. Will he cling to the dregs and 
the  
 money trip or will he go off into seclusion for further 
realization/ 
 catalysis?
 
 It will depend where his attachments lie.
 
 Nice thing is, this opportunity could give closure for those who 
also  
 realize the game is up and just need some last contact to end it  
 nicely. Those that cling will remain, like fleas clinging to the  
 Golden Fleece.
 
 But make no mistake: this is a watershed moment, this last 'call 
to  
 coherence'. If M. remains, lingering over his empire, it's clear  
 where the attachments lie. This signals the end of the movement as 
we  
 knew it.
 
 It doesn't take a rishi to see that.


Very well said. The TMO can't even get 1200 in the dome when there is 
a State of Emergency. And Amma can bring thousands to Mt. Pleasant 
at no charge. (Did someone here say 4000-6000 in Mt. Pleasant last 
month?) It says an awful lot about the TMO. The jig is up. You can 
only cry the sky is falling so many times before people wise up.

Got an e-mail today from a friend (gov.) in Hawaii. I had asked her 
if she was coming for the course. Her reply -- What course? We 
haven't heard anything about a course.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Or, only one way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?

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You say tomato I say tomahto. Who REALLY gives a rat's ass? Honestly?

You got a bug up your anal retentive butt or what?

Lighten up. Get laid - it's GOOD for you. Have an ice cold beer or 
glass of wine. Go for a run. Do something to chill out. TM isn't 
doing it for you.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Hey Sally, its been a while.  So the real question is whether 
you use
   the affected Mahaarshi or the old school Maharishi!  
Remember when
   everyone started making that switch?  Then they started with 
the Ayur
   Ved, instead of Ayur Veda. So many ways to sound special!
  
  Or, only one way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Or, only one way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  You say tomato I say tomahto. Who REALLY gives a rat's ass?
  Honestly?
  
  You got a bug up your anal retentive butt or what?
  
  Lighten up. Get laid - it's GOOD for you. Have an ice cold beer 
or 
  glass of wine. Go for a run. Do something to chill out. TM isn't 
  doing it for you.
 
 Who you talkin' to, buster, me or Curtis?
 
 Curtis quit TM many years ago, and I couldn't
 give a rat's ass, as you say so eloquently,
 how anybody pronounces Maharishi or
 Ayur-Ved/a.
 
 A little out of touch, are you?
 
 
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 Hey Sally, its been a while.  So the real question is 
whether 
  you use
 the affected Mahaarshi or the old school Maharishi!  
  Remember when
 everyone started making that switch?  Then they started 
with 
  the Ayur
 Ved, instead of Ayur Veda. So many ways to sound special!

Or, only one way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?
 

H... I thought it was you who made the comment Or, only one way 
to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?

I don't know what you mean by your comment A little out of touch, 
are you?

I know Curtis from many, many years ago. He's a good guy.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Satvic wave misses Seattle?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ wrote:
   snip
  So, hopefully Seattle, is calming down again, since I am 
 back;
  At least for a while...
 
 Robert, I can only hope that you are joking. It's
 often hard to tell with you. If not, I think you
 should look into getting some psychological help.

Thanks for your suggestion Turq., I'll be sure to look into 
 it...
   
   ROTFL!
   
   Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony:
   
   The 'them' folks could be playing with their kids
   next to the barbed wire, collecting wildflowers for
   the dinner table back home, and the 'us' folks
   watching from inside the barbed wire prision [sic]
   they built around themselves will be convinced that
   they're planting land mines.
   
   (Or, in this case, convinced that they're ready for
   the booby hatch.)
  
  Did I mention booby hatch?
  
  I'm pretty sure what I said was that he might want
  to look into getting some psychological help, not
  an unreasonable suggestion to someone who has just
  speculated that he *personally* was responsible for 
  this string of ugly murders because he wasn't home 
  in Seattle doing his program there. 
  
  If I may restore the part of the post you so care-
  fully snipped from your reply in your haste to slam 
  me, Robert's own words:
  
   Hello, my fellow transcenders,
   Please lend me your ear:
   I was away from Seattle during this time; and heard about this
   horific crime, upon my return, a few days ago...
   I do a lot of meditating while in the Seattle area; West 
Seattle, 
 to
   be exact- looking over the bay, from the apartment here, and the
   beautiful Olympic Mountains, in the distance.
   I had heard, and have seen statistics, that when analysis of
   the 'Super-Radiance' gatherings, took place, at various places;
   That after the meditating group left, there would be an initial;
   Sharp rise in chaos, or crime, or whatever...
   So, perhaps in the effect of having one less person meditatin 
 here;
   During that time, last week, perhaps shows us all, the power, 
of 
 the
   meditation practice, indivually and collectively, expecially in 
 this
   time of transition...
   So, hopefully Seattle, is calming down again, since I am back;
   At least for a while...
  
  What I'm waiting for next is how much you'll snip
  of my Lennon post when you slam me for that one.
  My bet is that it'll be all the parts that mention
  the people who talk big about believing in TM but 
  who never *do* anything about it.
  
  Which course was it you said you'd signed up for,
  Judy? I mean, it's not even as if you have to take
  off that much time from work, right? You could do 
  your extra round and continue to edit manuscripts
  in your hotel room, probably without missing any of
  the knowledge meetings. 
  
  All talk, no action. And slimy talk at that, as in
  this post where you do the *very* thing you accuse
  others of over and over here -- snipping content
  from a reply in order to hide it.
 
 Who cares about snipping your stupid posts;
 That's not quite as bad as calling someone insane.
 I have my opinions and my experience.
 There is nothing to 'do' in TM;
 It is a matter of transcending and producing the effect;
 Of calm light and sanity, in the atmosphere and in the world.
 Any snip of any of your judgemental stupid remarks is not going to 
 change anything.
 Your words are cheap;
 And I resent your judgements, when you don't know me and know 
nothing 
 about me.
 So, stick that up your French Ass!


Re: So, stick that up your French Ass!

Is this what you are referring to when you say It is a matter of 
transcending and producing the effect; Of calm light and sanity..

Wow! That TM is pretty powerful stuff! Makes people calm and sane. 
But can produce an under current of anger. G...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Or, only one way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
You say tomato I say tomahto. Who REALLY gives a rat's ass?
Honestly?

You got a bug up your anal retentive butt or what?

Lighten up. Get laid - it's GOOD for you. Have an ice cold 
beer
or glass of wine. Go for a run. Do something to chill out. TM 
isn't doing it for you.
   
   Who you talkin' to, buster, me or Curtis?
   
   Curtis quit TM many years ago, and I couldn't
   give a rat's ass, as you say so eloquently,
   how anybody pronounces Maharishi or
   Ayur-Ved/a.
   
   A little out of touch, are you?
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
jstein@ 
   wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Hey Sally, its been a while.  So the real question is 
   whether you use the affected Mahaarshi or the old 
   school Maharishi!  Remember when everyone started 
   making that switch?  Then they started with the Ayur
   Ved, instead of Ayur Veda. So many ways to sound 
special!
  
  Or, only one way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?
  
  H... I thought it was you who made the comment Or, only one
  way to pronounce Sanskrit correctly?
 
 It was.  Did you assume that meant I *cared*?
 Can you see any other possible interpretations?
 
  I don't know what you mean by your comment A little out of 
touch, 
  are you?
  
  I know Curtis from many, many years ago. He's a good guy.
 
 You were either out of touch where Curtis is
 concerned, or out of touch where I'm concerned.
 If you're aware that Curtis hasn't done TM for
 years, then you must be out of touch where I'm
 concerned (especially since I just recently
 left a post describing how *I* pronounced 
 Maharishi).
 
 The really amusing thing is that it appears
 to be *Curtis* who has a bug up his ass about
 how the terms are pronounced.

I'm out of touch because you are concerned that Curtis has not done 
TM for years? Huh??? Enough of this one-sided conversation. I think 
you just like to read your own posts. You certainly know how to suck 
the air out of a room, so to speak. Hasta la vista!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 'hard' price of TM - was strange TB situation.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  snip
  
   You know what I find fascinating? The people on 
   these forums who most vociferously defend the current 
   prices that the TMO charges for TM would in most 
   cases *not* be able to afford it themselves if they 
   hadn't already learned it years ago. But they think 
   it's Ok to charge the newbies that much. Go figure.
  
  Not only can't they afford TM, or most likely anything else now 
 being
  sold by the TMO (sidhis, panchakarma, yagyas, s-ved houses,
  millionaire courses) but many of them would be kicked out of the 
 TMO
  if they tried to be active. I assume Brigante's already been 
banned
  and many other TBs here have expressed opinions or admitted to 
 other
  interests or discussed mental-emotional problems all of which 
would
  get them in deep hot water if they were actually in the mov't 
 trying
  to be a devoted disciple of MMY like they think they are.  I find 
 this
  really strange.
 
 
 The price of TM is: $52 a month over 4 years, which is $12 a week, 
 or $1.70 a day. Even poor people in the US spend WAY more than this 
 on coffee, unhealthy fizzy drinks, and many more unhealthy 
 unnecessary things every day. 
 If one did it over 2 tears instead of 4, then it is still only 
$3.40 
 a day. Anyone who has the will to, can afford TM in the US.
 
 When I first wanted to learn about yogic knowledge, I was ready to 
 give up everything and travel to India to find what I was looking 
 for, at great risk to myself and my future. You are now proclaiming 
 to the people of the world that they should not give up their cafe-
 lattes for Vedic knowledge? This incredibly selfish, since you have 
 already had the benefit of the knowledge. Many people in the world 
 have nothing to absorb the stress which pushes down upon them 
 everyday. As a beneficiary of a practice that you can practice any 
 day, any where, even in a prison, and find relief, if you have any 
 conscience at all you should be telling as many people as you can, 
 that TM only costs $3.40 a day for 2 years !
 
 OffWorld

A person can also go to their local health club, gym, church, yoga 
studio, YMCA, etc., and learn to meditate to absorb the stress which 
pushes down upon them everyday. And it won't cost them $52/month for 
4 years. 

And no, if people don't want to give up their cafe lattes for Vedic 
knowledge, they don't have to - they shouldn't have to! They've got 
free will. We all know the TMO is not interested in poor people -- 
they only want the most wealthy and influential people (i.e. people 
with money) to join the TMO. But even the rich aren't running in 
droves to start TM. So it is not about money really.

I think Mark would get into deep doo-doo if he started yakking up TM 
since I don't believe he is recertified. He could of course explain 
that he IS a TM teacher who has taught hundreds/thousands to meditate 
but he is no longer allowed to teach because he is not recertified. 
Maybe he could wave around a poster of King Tony replete with Crown. 
That would really bring in the crowds.

Off-World -- Are you recertified and, if so, how many people have you 
initiated in the last month? And how many people are you telling 
about TM every day? Why haven't all your non-meditating friends, 
associates, co-workers, etc., started TM? Just curious.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 'hard' price of TM - was strange TB situation.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 1/3/06 9:41:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 The  price of TM is: $52 a month over 4 years, which is $12 a week, 
 or $1.70 a  day. Even poor people in the US spend WAY more than 
this 
 on coffee,  unhealthy fizzy drinks, and many more unhealthy 
 unnecessary things every  day. 
 If one did it over 2 tears instead of 4, then it is still only 
$3.40  
 a day. Anyone who has the will to, can afford TM in the US.
 
 When I  first wanted to learn about yogic knowledge, I was ready to 
 give up  everything and travel to India to find what I was looking 
 for, at great  risk to myself and my future. You are now 
proclaiming 
 to the people of the  world that they should not give up their cafe-
 lattes for Vedic knowledge?  This incredibly selfish, since you 
have 
 already had the benefit of the  knowledge. Many people in the world 
 have nothing to absorb the stress  which pushes down upon them 
 everyday. As a beneficiary of a practice that  you can practice any 
 day, any where, even in a prison, and find relief, if  you have any 
 conscience at all you should be telling as many people as you  can, 
 that TM only costs $3.40 a day for 2 years  !
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 The average uninitiated person isn't going to give up their  minor 
comforts, 
 pleasures, and bad habits to satisfy their curiosity about  
something so 
 abstract. Especially if finding a regular practicing TMer is  so 
rare and there are 
 so many that learned and quit. You have to consider there  are many 
times 
 more people out there to say theylearned TM and got little or  
nothing out of it 
 than can say it has opened the universe to them. Twenty -five  
hundred dollars 
 is a very big commitment to the average person. To some, its  
represents a 
 couple of mortgage payments, four, five or six car payments,  
Healthcare 
 insurance premiums etc, things the average middle class person 
will  not give up or 
 risk not having in the future  should he be between jobs for  a 
period of time. 
 Vedic knowledge? What the hell is that to the average person  of 
western 
 culture? It means nothing to them. If TM is going to out survive  
it's current 
 practitioners it has to shake the cult image, stop all the Vedic  
this and Vedic 
 that BS, get rid of the religious overtones and charge prices the  
average 
 person can whip out a check book and right a check on the spot 
without a  second 
 thought to pay for the course. It needs to return to being an  
organization 
 fun to work for and one not need to fear being black balled by  
others on power 
 trips. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting, and Pure  
consciousness 
 means Nothing to the average person until they have experienced  it.

Very well said. (Hey, I can't believe I'm agreeing with a raving 
Republican! Maybe the A of E is really upon us!)  ;-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 'hard' price of TM - was strange TB situation.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

snip

 You know what I find fascinating? The people on 
 these forums who most vociferously defend the current 
 prices that the TMO charges for TM would in most 
 cases *not* be able to afford it themselves if they 
 hadn't already learned it years ago. But they think 
 it's Ok to charge the newbies that much. Go figure.

Not only can't they afford TM, or most likely anything else 
now 
   being
sold by the TMO (sidhis, panchakarma, yagyas, s-ved houses,
millionaire courses) but many of them would be kicked out of 
 the 
   TMO
if they tried to be active. I assume Brigante's already been 
  banned
and many other TBs here have expressed opinions or admitted 
to 
   other
interests or discussed mental-emotional problems all of which 
  would
get them in deep hot water if they were actually in the mov't 
   trying
to be a devoted disciple of MMY like they think they are.  I 
 find 
   this
really strange.
   
   
   The price of TM is: $52 a month over 4 years, which is $12 a 
 week, 
   or $1.70 a day. Even poor people in the US spend WAY more than 
 this 
   on coffee, unhealthy fizzy drinks, and many more unhealthy 
   unnecessary things every day. 
   If one did it over 2 tears instead of 4, then it is still only 
  $3.40 
   a day. Anyone who has the will to, can afford TM in the US.
   
   When I first wanted to learn about yogic knowledge, I was ready 
 to 
   give up everything and travel to India to find what I was 
looking 
   for, at great risk to myself and my future. You are now 
 proclaiming 
   to the people of the world that they should not give up their 
 cafe-
   lattes for Vedic knowledge? This incredibly selfish, since you 
 have 
   already had the benefit of the knowledge. Many people in the 
 world 
   have nothing to absorb the stress which pushes down upon them 
   everyday. As a beneficiary of a practice that you can practice 
 any 
   day, any where, even in a prison, and find relief, if you have 
 any 
   conscience at all you should be telling as many people as you 
 can, 
   that TM only costs $3.40 a day for 2 years !
   
   OffWorld
  
  A person can also go to their local health club, gym, church, 
yoga 
  studio, YMCA, etc., and learn to meditate to absorb the stress 
 which 
  pushes down upon them everyday. And it won't cost them $52/month 
 for 
  4 years. 
 
 Research done by teams of TMing and non-TMing researchers on 
various 
 forms of relaxation and meditation refute this claim.
 
 Whether or not the price-difference can be justified simply due to 
 TM's documented effects on hypertension as compared to other 
 relaxation/meditation techniques is another question, but there ARE 
 documented differences between the effects of various forms of 
 meditation that 

Re: are accepted by more and more scientists these days.

Your average Joe and Jane on the street are NOT scientists and could 
care less about documented scientific research. TM is not the only 
meditation technique out there that relieves stress. Honest. And your 
average customer looking for a little relief can find it via a book 
or class as mentioned previously.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 'hard' price of TM - was strange TB situation.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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   wrote:

snip

 You know what I find fascinating? The people on 
 these forums who most vociferously defend the current 
 prices that the TMO charges for TM would in most 
 cases *not* be able to afford it themselves if they 
 hadn't already learned it years ago. But they think 
 it's Ok to charge the newbies that much. Go figure.

Not only can't they afford TM, or most likely anything else 
 now 
   being
sold by the TMO (sidhis, panchakarma, yagyas, s-ved houses,
millionaire courses) but many of them would be kicked out of 
 the 
   TMO
if they tried to be active. I assume Brigante's already been 
  banned
and many other TBs here have expressed opinions or admitted 
to 
   other
interests or discussed mental-emotional problems all of which 
  would
get them in deep hot water if they were actually in the mov't 
   trying
to be a devoted disciple of MMY like they think they are.  I 
 find 
   this
really strange.
   
   
   The price of TM is: $52 a month over 4 years, which is $12 a 
 week, 
   or $1.70 a day. Even poor people in the US spend WAY more than 
 this 
   on coffee, unhealthy fizzy drinks, and many more unhealthy 
   unnecessary things every day. 
   If one did it over 2 tears instead of 4, then it is still only 
  $3.40 
   a day. Anyone who has the will to, can afford TM in the US.
   
   When I first wanted to learn about yogic knowledge, I was ready 
 to 
   give up everything and travel to India to find what I was 
 looking 
   for, at great risk to myself and my future. You are now 
 proclaiming 
   to the people of the world that they should not give up their 
 cafe-
   lattes for Vedic knowledge? This incredibly selfish, since you 
 have 
   already had the benefit of the knowledge. Many people in the 
 world 
   have nothing to absorb the stress which pushes down upon them 
   everyday. As a beneficiary of a practice that you can practice 
 any 
   day, any where, even in a prison, and find relief, if you have 
 any 
   conscience at all you should be telling as many people as you 
 can, 
   that TM only costs $3.40 a day for 2 years !
   
   OffWorld
  
  A person can also go to their local health club, gym, church, 
yoga 
  studio, YMCA, etc., and learn to meditate to absorb the stress 
 which 
  pushes down upon them everyday. And it won't cost them $52/month 
 for 
  4 years. 
 
 An inexpensive health club will cost about 600-1000 a year, year 
 after year after year. Thats at least: 6000 in ten years.
 
 
  
  And no, if people don't want to give up their cafe lattes 
 for Vedic 
  knowledge, they don't have to - they shouldn't have to! 
 
 
 Yes they should.
 
 They've got 
  free will. We all know the TMO is not interested in poor people --
 
  they only want the most wealthy and influential people (i.e. 
 people 
  with money) to join the TMO. But even the rich aren't running in 
  droves to start TM. So it is not about money really.
  
  I think Mark would get into deep doo-doo if he started yakking up 
 TM 
  since I don't believe he is recertified. He could of course 
 explain 
  that he IS a TM teacher who has taught hundreds/thousands to 
 meditate 
  but he is no longer allowed to teach because he is not 
recertified.
 
  Maybe he could wave around a poster of King Tony replete with 
 Crown. 
  That would really bring in the crowds.
  
  Off-World -- Are you recertified and, if so, how many people have 
 you 
  initiated in the last month? And how many people are you telling 
  about TM every day? Why haven't all your non-meditating friends, 
  associates, co-workers, etc., started TM? Just curious.
 
 I am not a TrueRu like all you people, TNB's included. 
 And, yes, I help with TM to the degree I can, but I am not a TM-
 teacher, and feel I can help more in other ways at the moment. For 
 example, explaining to people that TM is only $3.70 for 2 
 yearsthe price of a cafe-latte, or a couple of coffees at the 
 gas station. You are completely out of touch with reality if you 
 think most people cannot learn, lower middle-class and above, at 
the 
 very least. As my income improves the more I intend to spread the 
 word that TM is only $3.70 a day.
 
 OffWorld

So how many people who enjoy a latte have you convinced to give it up 
for two years so that they can enjoy TM and Vedic knowledge? 

I think it is you who is out of touch with reality if you think 
someone who does not have $2500 sitting around in their bank account 
is going to save $3.70 a day over 2 years to learn TM. Way

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't evalue TM without direct experience.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Big Snip]
 Without such direct experience, your're a speculator, not a scientist,
 and your conclusions are half-baked hypotheses devoid of fact.


H... I wonder if MMY's pronouncements about various aspects of life 
are half-baked hypotheses devoid of fact since he obviously has not 
had direct experience with everything he espouses. I mean, has he 
ever personally built a house? I was in Vlodrop in 1997, sitting in a 
large room with MMY and all these very wealthy donors. Doug Greenfield 
showed MMY a type of new insulation for homes -- trying to get MMYs 
approval to use it in his (Doug's) buildings. I remember 
thinking, What could MMY possibly know about inulsation? Who is the 
real expert in this scenario?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: What sort of prison sentence do you think ]Bush] shou...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 12/20/05 2:15:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Mr Bush  was introduced by an African-American male, 
 whose head Mr Bush proceeded  to rub while grinning and 
 smirking.
 
 
 
 Wish I had a dollar for every time somebody rubbed my head  when I 
was a kid 
 and had a flat top or crew cut. The only response I ever got to  
why people 
 did that was that they liked the way it  felt.

It is also a way to show affection. Since touchy/feely stuff is not 
always acceptable with boys, rubbing, scruffing, gently tugging at 
someone's hair is one way to say I like you. without having to say 
those words out loud.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Michael, I just have one question.  Did your mother ever tape your 
 mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing 
up?
 
 Sal
 
 
 On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote:
 
 (Really long snip)
 
   I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local 
  situation
   here in south Florida.  It's caused much more heat on the FFLife 
list 
  than
   it has here locally!  Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM 
  activities
   are so limited that they have very little effect and get no 
attention.
   The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM 
event 
  hosted
   by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned.

Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck.





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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  
   
   What, like I should talk about the drunken woman I date-raped 
when 
 I 
   was about 22? THere's durned little about my past I haven't 
faced 
 at 
   one time or another, as far as I can tell.
  
  And now you're gossiping about yourself! Will wonders never cease?
 
 
 Not the usual definition of gossip.

The door swings both ways, buddy. It's okay for you to gossip about 
your alledge rape of a woman maybe 20 years ago? But it's not okay 
for women who have been sexually abused to gossip about it 20 years 
later? How do we know you're not lying about this? You accuse the 
women who have claimed sexual relationships with MMY of lying. Why in 
the world should we believe you? 





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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 12/6/05 2:40 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
   on 12/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   IS it an incredibly great way to heal? Actually, I don't know 
 the
   timelines for when the events took place (allegedly) or when 
 they
   allegedly told people about them, but Rick said something
   about months later in at least some of the cases.
   
   Depending on who we're talking about, and to whom they were 
 talking,
   it
   ranges from the morning after to decades later.
   
   
   Did the women in question talk to other women about these 
events?
  
  Yes. And to men.
 
 
 So is there a trail of gossip establishing that these events were 
 talked about for sometime before they were made public?

What difference does it make?? Boy, you sure like to gossip about the 
same point over and over and over and over again. You are one of the 
most gossipy guys on FFL! Seriously! :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   on 12/6/05 2:40 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

on 12/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

IS it an incredibly great way to heal? Actually, I don't 
know 
  the
timelines for when the events took place (allegedly) or 
when 
  they
allegedly told people about them, but Rick said something
about months later in at least some of the cases.

Depending on who we're talking about, and to whom they were 
  talking,
it
ranges from the morning after to decades later.


Did the women in question talk to other women about these 
 events?
   
   Yes. And to men.
  
  ...and mice.
  
 
 I can't speak to the veracity of any claim. The way things have 
been 
 presented, MMY had some women come to his room and spend a great 
deal 
 of time alone with them. Later they emerged disheveled and some 
 days/months/years later, they told the guys who escorted them to 
the 
 room that they had had sex with MMY.
 
 That is NOT how info about such incidents usually get passed around 
 in the non-TMO world.

Okay then. How DO such incidents get passed around in the non-TMO 
world??





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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   Yer just a plain nut. Its quite obvious that you have some kind 
 of 
   anger and pain that can only be appeased by mocking other 
 people's 
   pain and guilt under the guise of requesting inner revelations.
  
  
  I think my husband would agree with you!
  
  Irmeli
 
 
 Let's play pretend:
 
 Let's pretend that I have had anger and hurt and emotional pain to 
 the point that I would scream hard enough that I would rip the 
 muscles of my adominal wall, making my para-umbilical hernia worse. 
 Let's pretend that you, as the internet counselor of great fame and 
 competence could evoke or re-evoke such feelings, bringing about a 
 further crying and screaming session with me lying on the ground, 
 curled in a ball sobbing while waves of pain were followed by waves 
 of euphoria as my body produced endorphins to try to compensate for 
 said torn muscles.
 
 Are you equiped, over the internet or in person, to deal with such 
a 
 reaction? Are you prepared to take the consequences of furthering 
my 
 physical problems? Let's pretend that as a result of said screaming 
 that my hernia is now large enough that I can't exercise without 
 either a brace of some kind or doing a Napaleon of literally 
 holding my guts in. And that if I don't, I have to make disgusting 
 squishing sounds as I poke my intestines back inside my abdomen.
 
 Are you emotionally, intellectually, and financially prepared to 
 handle the consequences of your manipulation of my emotions in such 
a 
 way, even though it must be obvious to all that it is really for 
the 
 best for me to let go, even over the internet?

You are an insufferable drama queen, gossip and whiner. Get a grip, 
buddy. 





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[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 What, like I should talk about the drunken woman I date-raped when I 
 was about 22? THere's durned little about my past I haven't faced at 
 one time or another, as far as I can tell.

And now you're gossiping about yourself! Will wonders never cease?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees 
  that fastest growth towards enlightenment occurs by being in 
the 
  dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and 
 on my 
  schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me 
much 
  happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what 
 it 
  boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow 
 smoothly. 
  And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise 
  investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-)
 
 
 
 Question: why would you bother practicing a technique taught by a 
guy 
 whose opinions about the technique you don't respect?

It is possible, amongst mature adults, to have differences of opinion 
and still respect them. I certainly don't always agree with all of 
the ideas, beliefs, opinions held by my friends, but I respect their 
opinions and I respect THEM. And I respect Maharishi. I just don't 
agree with or believe everything he says.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is
  the $100 monthly expense that for many people in
  Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the
  marginal job market. Another is that people do their
  program at home.
 
 Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as far 
 back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his 
 #1 best practice for fastest growth towards enlightenment.
  
 I'm wondering how many people who can't afford the dome fees can 
 afford cable...

It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees 
that fastest growth towards enlightenment occurs by being in the 
dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and on my 
schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me much 
happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what it 
boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow smoothly. 
And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise 
investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Death of Jane Hopson

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I just saw this morning in the FF Heartland Spirit an anouncement of 
the death of Jane Hopson, Development Chair Emeritus. Memorial 
service Saturday at 8, Henry Clark Auditorium.

Anyone know if she had been ill or what the story is?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Service for Jane Hopson

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No. Was she still over-weight? I never liked her very
 much. I found her to be quite arrogant and full of
 herself. I knew her through working on MIU video
 projects. Hopefully she changed before she croaked.
 Maybe I'll have to incarnate as her for these
 comments!

---
I found her to be the same way -- very uppity, looking down her nose at 
everyone (except for maybe the Wynne's, some faculty members and BIG 
donors to the university). It could have been a self defense mechanism 
because of her weight problem.




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[FairfieldLife] Memorial Service for Jane Hopson - Lou Gehrig's Disease

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002  I heard 
she had lou gehrigs disease, though I can't say for sure. 
 She'd been living in a nursing home with assistance for some time.

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I just had lunch with a friend whose husband works on campus.

My friend confirmed that Jane died of complications from Lou's 
Gehrig's disease. She was paralyzed but could blink her eyes and 
apparently was being cared for in her home by several different 
people on campus.

I googled and got this about ALS:

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), often referred to as Lou 
Gehrig's disease, is a progressive neurodegenerative disease that 
affects nerve cells in the brain and the spinal cord. Motor neurons 
reach from the brain to the spinal cord and from the spinal cord to 
the muscles throughout the body. The progressive degeneration of the 
motor neurons in ALS eventually lead to their death. When the motor 
neurons die, the ability of the brain to initiate and control muscle 
movement is lost. With voluntary muscle action progressively 
affected, patients in the later stages of the disease may become 
totally paralyzed. Yet, through it all, for the vast majority of 
people, their minds remain unaffected.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Immortality questions

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Living in Fairfield, especially, one can't help but be aware that the 
actuarial tables apply to Sidhas as much as anyone else. In fact,
when 
you read the obits in the Fairfield Ledger, it seems that
nonmeditators 
tend to live longer than meditators.
 
L B S

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It could also be that there are a lot more older nonmeditators living 
in Fairfield than there are meditators -- which is why we see a lot
of 
70/80 year olds passing in the nonmeditator group -- it would appear 
they live longer. The meditating group does not have a lot of members 
in that age group - hence we don't see obits for them in the paper.
But 
I suspect our numbers will be high in 20-30 years or so (if we
haven't 
all left town by then).




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on you.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
 I'm out of here for good 

Promises, promises. Didn't you make the same claim a few weeks ago?

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.





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