[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-19 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for ~11,000 years some two million years ago. In other words, a fairytale.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, and who are hoping desperately for Santa Claus to come along and rule them and tell them what to do all the time so they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip This is not just Hindu-bashing, BTW. I feel the same way about people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 1:20 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why someone might have confidence in the Vedic account of a Sat-Yuga golden age, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip People have embraced democracy because good people are not available to be rulers... People have embraced democracy because it's a good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip People have embraced democracy because good people are not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Even those forms of governance we know about that grant people the greatest measure of responsibility nevertheless restrict that responsibility in some areas. As Bob points out, democracy can result in a tyranny

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, and who are hoping desperately for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:36 PM, bob_brigante wrote: The pundits in the Brahmastan of India are purifying the atmosphere there so that Vedic culture can be restored to India -- when that happens, there will be an ideal society serving as a lighthouse to the world. So you've seen pictures of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 1:20 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But imagine that the person being forced to learn and practice it is yourself, and that the technique that has gained politically-correct favor enough to be made mandatory is Scientology. Or Subud. Or for those who are, in true TM fashion,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/17/06 11:55 AM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the giant Vedic Science course in the Indian Express Building in New Delhi, India, very early 80s, during a lecture one afternoon, someone asked Maharishi somewhere in the course of a discussion about governments around the globe:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
And they all lived happily ever after. Sal On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:45 PM, bob_brigante wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for ~11,000 years some two million years ago. Lord Rama

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. Sal yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:45 PM, bob_brigante wrote: