[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground for a Revival Movement: first sight of Guru Dev – transcript

2013-07-23 Thread merudanda
Forgive me Dome Buck flying light [:D] Selah: Should my spirit looks to Buck alone? Is my rock and my refuge his throne? Does in all my fears, in all my straits, My soul on his salvation only waits? Once has his mighty voice declared, Once and again my ears have heard, All power is' his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground for a Revival Movement: first sight of Guru Dev – transcript

2013-07-23 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Forgive me Dome Buck flying light [:D] Selah: Should my spirit looks to Buck alone? Nay you ninny not me, look to the Unified Field. All the Ground for a Revival Movement that we need is in Jai Guru Dev Brahmananda

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-27 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: LOVE IT! THANKS. GOT MY ATTENTION. You prove my pet theory: when a person's first person perspective comes—unwittingly,

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
So I'm playing this gig in a Midwestern dive, usual Friday night crowd, couple of friends, couple of drunks. I'm working through my second set with the usual shouts from the back for me to play Freebird (I've played here for years and some drunks STILL don't know what I play and what I don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-27 Thread Bob Price
Curtis, As always, thoughtful and considered. Thanks From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:03:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose] So

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Are you incapable of snipping, or just plain lazy? Forgot - lesson relearned.

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: RESPONSE: Don't hit a guy when he's already down, Turquoiseb. Haven't you already said enough, for Christ's sake? I need your counsel, not your cruel truthfulness. You've hit an undefended part of me, OK? And I need to nurse

Re: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread Tom Pall
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Dear Rick, If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that I say about enlightenment, I will be revealing this discrepancy between my

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Rick, If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: RC, are your experiences so beyond the rest of us, your concepts so profound we can't understand with simple language that you must use so many words to get your meaning and concepts across? Are you wanting to get points

Re: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:20 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: RESPONSE: Thomas, could you provide an example of a sentence or two, from the letter above, which illustrates the problem of the intelligibility and clearness of my argument? Not easily. Your bombast runs through

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-24 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:20 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: RESPONSE: Thomas, could you provide an example of a sentence or two, from the letter above, which illustrates the problem of the

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread turquoiseb
MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than two sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 'ENLIGHTENMENT.' It (meaning the stories you tell others and yourself about your experiences and what you think they mean or meant) obviously are very important

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread Ravi Yogi
Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you, describe in a few lines each on your enlightenment, the reasons why you thought it was mystical deceit and your current de-enlightenment process. Please use generic

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread Ravi Yogi
Don't speak for everyone Barry, I'm interested in his enlightenment. Here's a clue to explain to you why I make fun of you because I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS ON ENLIGHTENMENT, so STFU Barry. I know you feel threatened when anyone uses the E word, but again if someone is talking about the E

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Rick, If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that I say about enlightenment, I will be revealing this discrepancy between my

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than two sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 'ENLIGHTENMENT.' It (meaning the stories you tell others and yourself about your

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: RESPONSE: Seems like reasonable request, Ravi. Let me work on it, OK? Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you, describe in a few

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: MZ- I think you have some interesting things to say. But the way you write is so condensed that it obscures your ideas. It could be that I simply struggle to read it and get fatigued. That's part of what I was getting

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Rick, If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: MZ- I think you have some interesting things to say. But the way you write is so condensed that it obscures your ideas. It could be that I simply

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
Hey MZ, You have a real contribution of perspective to contribute here and right now you are getting a bit of the circling pack action. I believe it is because you are here with a well thought out perspective that challenges many of ours, as well as the difficulty of transcending (oh shit

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than two sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread maskedzebra
LOVE IT! THANKS. GOT MY ATTENTION. You prove my pet theory: when a person's first person perspective comes—unwittingly, adventitiously—through their so-called attempts at a third person perspective (e.g. what you are telling me here)—and what you get is strong and healthy—then time to: BECOME

[FairfieldLife] No Ground

2011-06-23 Thread blastedactresses
Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you, describe in a few lines each on your enlightenment, the reasons why you thought it was mystical deceit and your current de-enlightenment process. Please use

Re: [FairfieldLife] No Ground

2011-06-23 Thread Vaj
On Jun 23, 2011, at 12:07 PM, blastedactresses wrote: Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you, describe in a few lines each on your enlightenment, the reasons why you thought it was mystical deceit

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: LOVE IT! THANKS. GOT MY ATTENTION. You prove my pet theory: when a person's first person perspective comes—unwittingly, adventitiously—through their so-called attempts at a third person perspective (e.g. what you are

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: I am, via your post, alerted to the contingent solipsistic tendency in me—I have never shaken this since I was a small child. But you

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for explaining that in some detail. I think we go about connecting to new posters in different and sometimes opposite ways. And I am using what your way discovers about someone as I hope you are mine. I try for rapport an common ground and you break rapport and see how they react.

Re: [FairfieldLife] No Ground

2011-06-23 Thread Tom Pall
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:07 PM, blastedactresses no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you, describe in a few lines each on your enlightenment, the reasons why you

[FairfieldLife] No Ground

2011-06-23 Thread blastedactresses
Is it also required when one's been enlightened or announces they are enlightened to have diarrhea of the keyboard?I read very carefully and critically and am able to piece together the meaning of text badly translated from language to language to language and finally English. It's been a

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread richardjwilliamstexas
Response: I never anticipated I would be on the receiving end of a final knock-down argument like the one above. If I had known (I should have) such an extraordinary summing up of myself (negatively) were possible, don't worry, I would have STFU. But you see, Turq, I thought it

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread seventhray1
In a little less severe terms, I think this nails it. OTOH, I have been enjoying some of the other posts. But can anybody bite into this? Jiminy Christmas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread seventhray1
Are you incapable of snipping, or just plain lazy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Rick, If my

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: I am, via your post, alerted to the contingent solipsistic tendency

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I might be tempted to have a little Let's poke at the supposedly enlightened person and see if there's really no self in there or whether there's a really BIG one waiting to lash out in defensiveness and anger fun with

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: When they cross the line from relating a subjective experience to making pronouncements about what that experience means, and calling those pronouncements truth, I might try to remind them that what they're saying may be

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-23 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Thanks for explaining that in some detail. I think we go about connecting to new posters in different and sometimes opposite ways. And I am using what your way discovers about someone as I hope you are mine. I

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-22 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: masked zebra wrote: RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the

RE: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-22 Thread Rick Archer
Unfortunately, no time for much participation in these wonderful discussions, but one quick point: MZ, you seem to be evaluating enlightenment, Indian spirituality, etc., on the basis of your experience of enlightenment. What makes you think your experience was the real deal, and bears any

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-22 Thread Yifu
thx, MZ,...I agree with your overall perspective since it agrees with (imo - seems to) with Nichiren's Buddhism. Main idea: Enlightenment is a process, not an end-goal in itself. ... If true, this pov would provide an alternative to much of Advaita (especially MMY's brand), Neo-Advaita; but

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-22 Thread whynotnow7
yeah, I don't really write speculatively, so yeah, based on my experience. Some people interpret stuff differently. Fine with me. I think you hit on something when you mention having given up context when you gave up Enlightenment. There is something to that, in that I must hold and identify an

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-22 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Dear Rick, If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that I say about enlightenment, I will be revealing this discrepancy between my version of Unity Consciousness and the real version. Somehow, if I was not in

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

2011-06-20 Thread whynotnow7
masked zebra wrote: RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-28 Thread Vaj
On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:02 PM, emptybill wrote: Judy, In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and apologists but rather how Islam is actually understood and actually practiced in Muslim culture. There is no such

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread WillyTex
...I think extremist Christianity is *far* more of a threat to this country than moderate Islam. yifuxero: that's for sure! (threat of Christian Fundamentalism). Though Huckabee seems to be a nice fellow, I would have difficulty accepting a person as President... So, you would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread tartbrain
into marriage with Muslims. The rest of the women and children were sold as slaves among the Bedouin tribes of Nejd. --- On Thu, 8/26/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:36

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-27 Thread WillyTex
Joe: As you know Tex, I was referring to this one, No, Joe, this one - the one in the thread where she waxed you for saying the 'Tex' lied about the New Yorkers being against the Islamic Center. Everyone knows you're prejudiced against people that live in Texas. How many times have you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-27 Thread tartbrain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Joe: As you know Tex, I was referring to this one, No, Joe, this one - the one in the thread where she waxed you Apparently Judy likes her men Brazil-style, first Willie, now Joe. for saying the 'Tex' lied about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread WillyTex
BTW, I think extremist Christianity is *far* more of a threat to this country than moderate Islam... Joe: My god yes. All we need is for one of these loony-tunes (think Sarah Palin) who say that God/Jesus is speaking directly to them to get in to the White House. From what I've

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread WillyTex
Not going to say what kind of person your sputtering furies sound like. emptybill: Become educated about Islam... When Rauf and Khan won approval for their 15-story mosque-topped Cordoba House from a Manhattan community board this spring, they advertised their project as all about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread Mike Dixon
a scripture from any other religion into their country, much less build a house of worship. From: WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 6:56:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Judy, In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and apologists but rather how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Judy, In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: snip From what I've read, Joe, the current president is a religious fundamentalist. No, he's a liberal Christian. If Pastor Jeremiah Wright isn't a fundie, I don't know what is! You're right, you don't know what Christian

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: snip When you throw enough crap out there, something is bound to stick. Part of Al Qaeda's strategy (not that  these Muslims are) is to use our own laws and values against us to attack us. Build the Mosque/ Islamic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-27 Thread WillyTex
As you know Tex, I was referring to this one, No, Joe, this one - the one in the thread where she waxed you tartbrain: Apparently Judy likes her men Brazil-style, first Willie, now Joe. The only man I know of, fer sure, that Judy likes is a guy living down in Brazil - at least

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-27 Thread Joe
Beats me Tex, I guess you just inspire my prejudice. At least I'm only prejudiced against one person. That would be you Willy-boy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Joe: As you know Tex, I was referring to this one, No, Joe, this one - the one in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-27 Thread Joe
No, it's Willy who is obsessed with waxing. My sources tell me that he gets a full body Brazilian style wax every few days. He likes to be smooth as a cue-ball when visiting his cemetery. --- In FairfieldLifeing @yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-27 Thread tartbrain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: No, it's Willy who is obsessed with waxing. My sources tell me that he gets a full body Brazilian style wax every few days. He likes to be smooth as a cue-ball when visiting his cemetery. Is that what Jesus would have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: authfriend: Not surprsingly, this is yet another falsehood designed to smear Rauf and his project: Now obviously, these are Muslim historians

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Imam Feisal says he chose 'Cordoba' in recollection of a time when the rest of Europe had sunk into the Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews and Christians

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
So, why are most New Yorkers opposed? Joe: Just for you Tex: So, why are most New Yorkers opposed, Joe? Glenn Beck calling Imam Rauf a good muslim on Good Morning America: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
Now obviously, these are Muslim historians writing two-to-three-hundred years after the events they describe... authfriend: I did not write the last three lines above, as you know. So, you don't agree that obviously, these are Muslim historians writing two-to-three-hundred

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: So, why are most New Yorkers opposed? Because they've been misled and misinformed by the right-wing bigots such as yourself. That's a statewide poll, BTW. A majority of Manhattan residents are in favor of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Now obviously, these are Muslim historians writing two-to-three-hundred years after the events they describe... authfriend: I did not write the last three lines above, as you know. So, you don't agree

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. It's what you do. Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a whole. It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived by the lies-- who are for it. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the article from the New York Times that I posted. You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you call people liars. authfriend: Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a whole.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
So, why are most New Yorkers opposed? authfriend: Because they've been misled and misinformed The entire 68% of Americans have been misled and misinformed - I don't think so. by the right-wing bigots such as yourself. This is just another obvious example of prejudice against

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
If any of you had legitimate complaints against building the center, you wouldn't have to keep lying about it. Joe: Indeed. Willy has had no coherent comebacks to any of the truth regarding this matter that has been thrown at him. Therefore he does what he does he lies...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
I have no opinion. authfriend: Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually spat upon. Stop the lying, Judy, you know that I didn't post an opinion of wheteher or not the Islamic Center in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread tartbrain
It seems we are not yet in the full sun of the AoE. I envision such a time where the impulse would be, amongst most if not all -- Wow, great idea. A community center focused on cross-cultural understanding and brother/sisterhood. And a place to show gratitude too (for which formal worship is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the article from the New York Times that I posted. You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you call people

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread Jason
were sold as slaves among the Bedouin tribes of Nejd. --- On Thu, 8/26/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:36 AM   It seems we are not yet in the full sun of the AoE. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: I have no opinion. authfriend: Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually spat upon. Stop the lying, Judy, you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread Joe
Manhattan residents are what I was speaking of Judybut I see where New Yorkers is too broad a phrase (even though it's the one most often used to describe Manhattanites.) I suspect that's what Tex had in mind as well, but he'll surely grab on to the life raft offered. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread Joe
Still smarting from the waxing Judy gave you, eh Tex? Relax and try to calm down fella. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the article from the New York

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Manhattan residents are what I was speaking of Judybut I see where New Yorkers is too broad a phrase (even though it's the one most often used to describe Manhattanites.) Not really, Joe. Everyone who lives in any of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread Joe
Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. It's what you do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: So, why are most New Yorkers opposed? Joe: Just for you Tex: So, why are most New Yorkers opposed, Joe? Glenn Beck calling Imam Rauf a good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread tartbrain
of the women and children were sold as slaves among the Bedouin tribes of Nejd. --- On Thu, 8/26/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:36 AM   It seems we are not yet

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2010-08-26 Thread Joe
I'm sure that's true and it's why most of the country commonly uses New York to refer to Manhatten. They say New York State or name a borough (I use a studio in Brooklyn) to get more literal about other-than-Manhatten places. Sloppy language use, but certainly quite common. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Mike Dixon
Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How do those that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Peter L Sutphen
Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge P. R. problem in this country because of the radical element of Islam. Moderates Muslims need to speak up more. If they build there you can almost guarantee that it will be damaged on a regular basis. Peter On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:02

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community? It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who work in the area. (And

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Jason
/10, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 11:10 AM     Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge P. R. problem in this country because of the radical element of Islam. Moderates Muslims

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Mike Dixon
run. From: Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:10:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque   Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Mike Dixon
the Cordoba project is to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques? From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque   --- In FairfieldLife

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
other facilities in it). From: authfriend jst...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Why would anybody spend one hundred

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
a finger, innit? From: Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:10:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge P. R. problem

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2010-08-26 Thread Joe
Don't confuse Mike with facts Judy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Joe
? From: authfriend jst...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually spat upon. Stop the lying, Judy, you know that I didn't post an opinion of wheteher or not the Islamic Center in New York should be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread WillyTex
Joe: Still smarting from the waxing Judy gave you, eh Tex? You mean the waxing Judy gave you for not realizing that most New Yorkers are opposed to the Islamic Center? Or the waxing Judy gave you for lying about what 'Tex' wrote? Joe: Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

2010-08-26 Thread Joe
As you know Tex, I was referring to this one, Judy to Tex: Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually spat upon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Joe:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread Mike Dixon
. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 1:00:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: My understanding is that the area doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: snip Wherever Muslims live in the West is either Dar-al-Dawa or Dar-al-Kufr. Jihad is not optional – it is one of the five pillars of their faith and is part of their vocation in the West. Saying that Muslim ideas and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 1:00:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic community, at least of significant number Several

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread emptybill
Judy, In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and apologists but rather how Islam is actually understood and actually practiced in Muslim culture. There is no such thing as religion in Islam; this is a Western notion. For

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread yifuxero
Water buffalo crossing a river in Pune. http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/08/26/business/engineering.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Judy, In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

2010-08-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Judy, In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and apologists but rather how Islam is actually understood and actually practiced in Muslim culture.

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