Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 5:48 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just wondering how Vaj knows how is friend is doing... Originally by phone from his apartment, then from payphones with lots of quarters, now with a calling card. We relay through email. Got him registered for Red Cross over phone. ATM's still working so were able to link a Paypal account to his ATM. He's still receiving food and water and seems quite content. He's received medical supplies he needs. Just waiting for his ride on the bus to Texas. Apparently a lot of the havoc at the convention center was addicts coming down cold turkey--their methadone clinics and suppliers are gone or underwater. The police are slowly sorting out the troublemakers and order slowly returning. Finally heard from another friend north of NOLA. She seemed shocky. She's a nurse so the stuff she was seeing and hearing you just don't see with the TV people lingering over the same areas. Entire towns have disappeared--not a thing left. Doctors in the hospitals which lost electricity watched patients die and could do nothing. She just told story after story, but I trust you get the picture. Off on retreat. See ya later. -V. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying. You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying. You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. It's not my amazing rescue effort. How would I know what it being acomplished right now? I doubt that all of the possible 200,000 will all be sick or dying within a few days. I was commenting that the massive Federal effort was seen (after being distorted by the media) as a lack of help. No matter how big the government it can't protect everyone from natural disaster - especially if those suffering live 10-12 feet below sea level. I was involved in a large flood relief effort along the Susquehanna River in 1972. After getting an itinerant TM teacher across the last remaining open bridge I was stuck for several weeks with a local fire dept after the family house was flooded. Food by helicopter, rescue by boat, shoveling mud etc, looting, national guard - the whole works. Everyone did the best they could... people died, dikes broke, bodies floating in the back yard, houses in the back yard... ya I know about it. It was remarkable all that was accomplished despite all the grumbling by folks who didn't understand what was going on. Parts of many communities where never rebuilt. Dikes where rebuilt and rasied. In 1977 it almost happened again... I don't live in the flood plain. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. That may be, but if you've been paying attention to what is actually happening, the utter incompetence with which most of these resources are being used is stupefying. More people on the Gulf Coast, especially New Orleans, have died and *will* die than would have had to die if the feds were even halfway on the ball with this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. It's not my amazing rescue effort. How would I know what it being acomplished right now? WATCH THE TUBE. I doubt that all of the possible 200,000 will all be sick or dying within a few days. I was commenting that the massive Federal effort was seen (after being distorted by the media) as a lack of help. Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. No matter how big the government it can't protect everyone from natural disaster That isn't even the issue now. The issue is that many tens of thousands of people are in a desperate emergency life-and-death situation and NO ONE IS HELPING THEM. And it's not just in New Orleans, of course, it's up and down the Gulf Coast. There's more coverage of New Orleans because the disaster is so much more highly concentrated there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to--esp. The convention center and the Superdome. What you're not seeing is the hospitals where the people in medical distress are and other such places. How about the bayous? Where's the footage of the people there? Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems are access and lack of communication. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced will get attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a bunch of people standing around doesn't mean there isn't significant efforts underway and happening right now. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the real work is being done. I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. NOLA was and is riddled with corruption. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WATCH THE TUBE. There's on-site blogging being done here -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 9:01 AM, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WATCH THE TUBE. There's on-site blogging being done here -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ The most up-to-date info can be found at or via: http://www.wwltv.com/ If you have broadband, you can watch live. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to-- esp. The convention center and the Superdome. What you're not seeing is the hospitals where the people in medical distress are and other such places. How about the bayous? Where's the footage of the people there? I agree, the coverage is probably distorted in that it isn't showing how bad it really is. But I was responding to a comment suggesting that the media were showing it as *worse* than it really is. Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are standing around. From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems are access and lack of communication. I don't buy it. Communication-wise, if somebody were just watching the tube, they'd know about some of the worst problems. And again, if access on the ground is a problem, do air-drops of food and water. The biggest problems here are lack of organization and preparedness, complicated by COMPLACENCY. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't merely displaced, they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. The triage teams themselves are overwhelmed; they aren't getting any reinforcements and they're running out of medical supplies. will get attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a bunch of people standing around doesn't mean there isn't significant efforts underway and happening right now. Uh-huh. They've been standing around since WEDNESDAY. As far as the Convention Center situation is concerned, there should have been significant efforts underway and happening right now as soon as it became evident they were gathering there. The help should have been not just underway but *BEING DELIVERED* long since. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the real work is being done. That's for sure. The question is, why isn't there real work being done WHERE THE MEDIA ARE? I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Maybe, but there's plenty of time for him to do that later. Taking responsibility is not going to help the people who are in extremis and not receiving any help NOW. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. Maybe they are *now*, but if so it's only in the last few hours. Bush is quoted as having just said they're trying to get food and water and medical help to the Convention Center. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. Don't tell me to remember. Get food and water to the people who don't have any so they won't die before they make their way to the top of the evacuation priority list. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 9:09 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are standing around. Unfortuantely for those people, their city, who knew quite well the problems with the low-lying area (in their own city), were very poorly prepared for their own, already known location issues. The nature of politics demands that these NOLA and LA. Politicians now blame someone else. Now the poor pay the price. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't merely displaced, they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. What you have to understand is access will be blocked to these areas. For example, even the Red Cross will be barred from entering an area with known violence. Their have and will continue to be drops. People are being bussed out and will continue to be. Unfortunately they aren't going to risk flying into an area and losing important rescue crafts and lives if people are shooting at them! This was a huge part of the recent problem. Why on earth were they shooting at their own rescuers? This shifted the whole tone and tenor of the operation. The message sent to the rescuers: come and get us, but we might be shooting at you! I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Maybe, but there's plenty of time for him to do that later. Taking responsibility is not going to help the people who are in extremis and not receiving any help NOW. Unfortunately it is the lack of preparedness on his part that is exacerbating the problem her and now. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. Maybe they are *now*, but if so it's only in the last few hours. Bush is quoted as having just said they're trying to get food and water and medical help to the Convention Center. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. Don't tell me to remember. Get food and water to the people who don't have any so they won't die before they make their way to the top of the evacuation priority list. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. LOL, you're clueless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 9:09 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are standing around. Unfortuantely for those people, their city, who knew quite well the problems with the low-lying area (in their own city), were very poorly prepared for their own, already known location issues. The nature of politics demands that these NOLA and LA. Politicians now blame someone else. No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Now the poor pay the price. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't merely displaced, they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. What you have to understand is access will be blocked to these areas. For example, even the Red Cross will be barred from entering an area with known violence. According to the reporters who've actually been to the Convention Center, the people who are standing around outside are no threat. They've even tried to pick up some of the litter and clean the area up in an attempt to look more respectable. Their have and will continue to be drops. Not at the Convention Center, not yet. One truck went by and dumped out some supplies from one of the highway overpasses, most of which were destroyed when they hit the ground. Some of the people waiting volunteered to go pick up the supplies directly from the truck and bring them back, and they were waved off with guns. What they got was just a drop in the bucket. People are being bussed out and will continue to be. The police and National Guard were telling folks to go to the Convention Center because there would be buses there to take them out. This was on WEDNESDAY. Nary a bus there yet. Unfortunately they aren't going to risk flying into an area and losing important rescue crafts and lives if people are shooting at them! This was a huge part of the recent problem. Why on earth were they shooting at their own rescuers? This shifted the whole tone and tenor of the operation. The message sent to the rescuers: come and get us, but we might be shooting at you! As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Sending in large numbers of military and law enforcement types to keep order should have been one of the very first things done. Now it's out of control. Very similar to what happened in Iraq after the invasion. snip Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. LOL, you're clueless. River in Egypt. Unbelievable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Are you're expecting that to happen? Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Well, that's the military's specialty! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Are you're expecting that to happen? They've been able to do it in previous disasters. Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. No, no. *Most* of the people who stayed did so because they could not afford to leave, had no car, no money for transportation, no place to go, no money for a hotel. You're beginning to sound like a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. Well, actually, it's the federal government's *JOB* in the case of a disaster like this. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Gee, did I say somewhere that I thought my observations were helping anybody? Or did you make that up? Your attitude is truly disgusting. As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Well, that's the military's specialty! Right. But they aren't DOING IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 10:25 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It has been well televised. What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQ which is high and dry. I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked over several times to the convention center. He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food and water! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. It was well known that over 100,000 would be unable to leave NO with one day notice, it was in the disaster management plan. 27% of the pop does not own cars, a popular tourist destination with tens of thousands tourists stuck, the old and sick unable to travel, plus many stubborn with no good reason. Understood that these people, both those who decided to stay and the majority who had no option but to stay, will be up the creek during and immediately after a hurricane, but not 5 days after FEMA - Federal Emergency Management Agency, that's their job, the FEDERAL response to national EMERGENCIES, in conjunction with the National Guard. In fact, these people used to do their job very well - don't confuse them with some gov't bureaucracy. The military is usually the last to response to homeland disasters, but FEMA and the Guard are the first. The fact that 40% of the Guard is not here, that FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 10:25 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It has been well televised. What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQ which is high and dry. I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked over several times to the convention center. He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food and water! And he's told the people at the Convention Center that food and water is available within walking distance, has he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEMA - Federal Emergency Management Agency, that's their job, the FEDERAL response to national EMERGENCIES, in conjunction with the National Guard. In fact, these people used to do their job very well - don't confuse them with some gov't bureaucracy. The military is usually the last to response to homeland disasters, but FEMA and the Guard are the first. The fact that 40% of the Guard is not here, that FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. Don't forget that FEMA is no longer its own federal agency. It was absorbed into the (cough) Homeland Security Department, an organization so disorganized and mismanaged so far that even its right-wing supporters say it's a madhouse. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. I just learned this morning that Michael Brown was fired from that job with the Arabian horse association--for incompetence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. I just learned this morning that Michael Brown was fired from that job with the Arabian horse association--for incompetence. P.S.: However, given the amount of time he's been spending being interviewed by the media, it's become apparent that's what his role as director of FEMA primarily involves, rather than any hands-on work solving the problems. So he most likely isn't really at fault for the snafus; his job is to be the target for all the brickbats. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
On 9/2/05 11:09 AM, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was well known that over 100,000 would be unable to leave NO with one day notice, it was in the disaster management plan. 27% of the pop does not own cars, a popular tourist destination with tens of thousands tourists stuck, the old and sick unable to travel, plus many stubborn with no good reason. Understood that these people, both those who decided to stay and the majority who had no option but to stay, will be up the creek during and immediately after a hurricane, but not 5 days after Like I said before, the disaster plan was written assuming you WOUILD have a car. And of course even if you didn't, you certainly would no someone who did. It would take a lot of courage to leave for some unknown destination. A friend still in NOLA is poor, but had numerous options for leaving (bus, friend's cars, etc.) still decided to stay simply because he didn't want to go to a shelter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 11:11 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he's told the people at the Convention Center that food and water is available within walking distance, has he? You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they are connected and dry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Like I said before, the disaster plan was written assuming you WOUILD have a car. No. No, it wasn't. The planners knew there would be at least 100,000 people who wouldn't be able to leave on short notice. They just chose not to deal with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
On 9/2/05 11:15 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that FEMA is no longer its own federal agency. It was absorbed into the (cough) Homeland Security Department, an organization so disorganized and mismanaged so far that even its right-wing supporters say it's a madhouse. Having been involved in numerous disasters I can tell you that for many people the most FEMA offered was low interest LOANS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
You liberals are correct! Katrina is all Bush's fault! Why didn't he stop Katrina? Katrina is a vast right-wing conspiracy! Impeach Bush-- that will definitely help the situation immediately! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Are you're expecting that to happen? They've been able to do it in previous disasters. Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. No, no. *Most* of the people who stayed did so because they could not afford to leave, had no car, no money for transportation, no place to go, no money for a hotel. You're beginning to sound like a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. Well, actually, it's the federal government's *JOB* in the case of a disaster like this. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Gee, did I say somewhere that I thought my observations were helping anybody? Or did you make that up? Your attitude is truly disgusting. As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Well, that's the military's specialty! Right. But they aren't DOING IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. huge merciful snip No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 12:59 PM, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I have: People are going around offering water food they loot to other survivors with mantras of may you never thirst fear is the mind killer. They've looted a little water food. Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other He's had a water one MRE. People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high. Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 1:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying.You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. I think that food and water started coming in last night via helicopter and they have the airport open now which will allow faster delivery of essentials by chopper to the inner city. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. huge merciful snip No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Goodness gracious, you seem inadvertently to have snipped the comment of yours I was responding to: You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they are connected and dry. Now, let's see, anyone from NOLA would seem to include just about everyone at the Convention Center, right? So what you're saying is that just about everyone at the Convention Center knows that food and water are available within walking distance. Have I got it so far? Yet the people at the Convention Center are screaming bloody murder that they have no food and water; and babies and old and sick people are known to have died there of dehydration. So: If food and water is in fact available within walking distance, and they all know about it, yet they're loudly complaining they have no food and water and that people are dying because of it... Seems to me you have to posit that they're all lying about being in need, all umpty-thousand of them. I'd love to hear what other conclusion one could draw. Given, of course, that your facts are correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 1:57 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what you're saying is that just about everyone at the Convention Center knows that food and water are available within walking distance. Actually it just arrived. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 9:15:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLAofficials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel ofcommunication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even letthe Feds know where they were telling people to gather!It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, forwhatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. Irealize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyonewho is realistic will know better.It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front ofyour TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they dosell papers and boost TV ratings. Vaj you have a very good perspective, intellectual, not emotional perspective of the situation. NOLA and LA. are supposed to plans ready for these kinds of events and the Feds aid those plans. There is a terrible lack of communication on everybody's part which makes the whole thing even more frustrating. The feds have given the governor everything she has asked for and more. Obviously it's the feds that are having to come in and clean up the lack of preparedness of the local governments. things could have been further along had the Governor grown some balls and declared martial law with a shoot to kill policy a couple of days ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I have: People are going around offering water food they loot to other survivors with mantras of may you never thirst fear is the mind killer. They've looted a little water food. Looted water and food...interesting use of terms. Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. He's had a water one MRE. People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high. Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. Why, if everything was so peaceful? The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. That's what I've been reading. Some of the news stories are saying trucks with food and water have actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to the Convention Center. It looks like things are *finally* starting to look up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too f*cking long. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 9:45:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It has been well televised.What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQwhich is "high and dry". I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked overseveral times to the convention center.He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food andwater! Have you noticed the plastic water bottles laying around and people in the back ground drinking water? It's coming in. I noticed this yesterday. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 2:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/2/05 9:45:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It has been well televised. What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQ which is high and dry. I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked over several times to the convention center. He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food and water! Have you noticed the plastic water bottles laying around and people in the back ground drinking water? It's coming in. I noticed this yesterday. Yes, I had noticed and heard that they were getting *limited* water and food. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/2/05 9:15:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Vaj you have a very good perspective, intellectual, not emotional perspective of the situation. NOLA and LA. are supposed to plans ready for these kinds of events and the Feds aid those plans. There is a terrible lack of communication on everybody's part which makes the whole thing even more frustrating. The feds have given the governor everything she has asked for and more. Obviously it's the feds that are having to come in and clean up the lack of preparedness of the local governments. things could have been further along had the Governor grown some balls and declared martial law with a shoot to kill policy a couple of days ago. What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the legislation -- both federal and state -- say about disasters and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other snip Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. Why, if everything was so peaceful? You thought it was peaceful? Gee, I could have sworn you just said something like, Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other. The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? For some it did, for others not. Help me parse this, please. What is the antecedent of it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? Subject: Crack Head Insurgents Shooting up New Orleans Stories the news media are unwilling to report: When New Orleans and Gulf coastal cities were evacuated, those with personal transportation got out. The poor, without personal or public ways to leave, got to stay to wait out the storm and its catastrophic aftermath. Among the poor are also those who find their daily salvation in illicit drugs, like meth and crack. When we hear that police are being fired on so often that they are posting Fort Apache signs on their station walls, and when rescue helicopters are being shot at, we scratch our heads in disbelief and wonder, What kind of insanity is going on here? But if you're poor in America, it's not too hard to figure out: take 20,000 crack heads in their third day of withdrawal because their supply is under water, let them loose with guns, and what else would you expect? Can open riots be more than a day away? Local police are already resigning. Days ago, the Louisiana Governor begged GwB for 40,000 federal troops, and a few are dribbling in. Will you believe it when we are forced to deploy just as many troops in the Mississippi Delta as we have in Iraq, just to keep security and order in our own land? Do we NOT have the troops needed HERE because they are all dying over in Iraq's deserts, sent there on a pack of lies, for the sole purpose of gaining control of Mid eastern oil to assure that American SUV owners could continue to drive around on $2 gas? God's wisdom has finally found a way to burn new ones for greedy SUV owners who have been guzzling more than their fair share of His Earth's resources. And He is likewise blessing the NRA for their brilliant defense of universal open gun ownership so that crack heads here can shoot up police stations and fire on helicopters just like insurgents do in Iraq. Pity poor GwB who had to cut his vacation short to come back and stumble thru cue cards he can't even read. Never mind that his administration had moved to cut funding from the Corp of Engineer's budget to improve protection for the levees in New Orleans. Maybe he can use this disaster to boost his sagging poll numbers! Here's another KatrinaOp God may need our help on: Across our land, rich fat cats are glued to CNBC, hanging on every scrap of business advice telling them how to make lotsa money off this disaster, learning exactly what stocks to buy and which to sell to make as much off Katrina as possible, as fast as possible. This hurricane will be the largest insurance loss in history. For Wall Street investors, Katrina is also the perfect market based disaster. Here is the true nature of unfettered raw libertarian capitalism at work. This is how fortunes are made, and every conservative Republican sitting at his computer day and night trading as fast as the disaster expands knows he/she will make the most who gets in earliest. There are fortunes to be made off the misery of those we are watching suffer. And many more billions will be made in the months and years to come. The tsunami was too far away. So, lots of good Reds are working overtime to assure that they don't miss profits from this, our wondrous natural catastrophe, the greatest windfall opportunity of their lifetime. They have no intention of missing this boat over the flood waters to financial freedom, and woe be to he who hesitates! But these libertarian moral criminals leave a paper trail. Here's how their crimes against humanity should be handled once the flood waters recede. Find them. Put them on trial. Then take every cent they earned off of misery, and ram it up their butts so far that they choke on it. Then hang them in public places by their private parts until they rot. These wretched scumbags are far too sorry even for God to dirty His hands with. The criminals being bred by the putrid and rotting waters of our Gulf Coast are not the piddling looters being jailed. The true criminals are sitting back at a distance in armchairs with all creature comforts as they plot their crimes against humanity. These are the misbegotten spawn of GwB, his prodigy and his legacy. Did anyone else notice that God in His infinite wisdom chose to punish America's Gulf Oil Coast in Biblical proportions for our allowing the Bush's mass murder in two Iraq Gulf Oil Wars of economic opportunity? Hello, out there in Red America. It's pay back time! ___ 2005 Gene Messick from a garden in Eden Permission to reproduce only in the entirety Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 2:47 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, I could have sworn you just said something like, Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other. Try to think outside the box Judy, I can't spell out every little thing you don't get (which based on your endless litany of posts, seems to be quite a lot)! He was talking about the French Quarter (abbrev.: FQ). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?' On 9/2/05 2:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/2/05 9:15:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Vaj you have a very good perspective, intellectual, not emotional perspective of the situation. NOLA and LA. are supposed to plans ready for these kinds of events and the Feds aid those plans. There is a terrible lack of communication on everybody's part which makes the whole thing even more frustrating. The feds have given the governor everything she has asked for and more. Obviously it's the feds that are having to come in and clean up the lack of preparedness of the local governments. things could have been further along had the Governor grown some balls and declared martial law with a shoot to kill policy a couple of days ago. In emergency response situations there are some people who will find the energy very focusing and it fills you with almost unlimited energy and claritythere are others who it will do something else to: some will get so wrapped up in emotions they cant function, others will be in shock or just numb etc. And these are the responders! You learn to recognize whos who if youre the former because they will be the only ones you can rely on to get work done by energizing and organizing the others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 2:47 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, I could have sworn you just said something like, Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other. Try to think outside the box Judy, I can't spell out every little thing you don't get (which based on your endless litany of posts, seems to be quite a lot)! Let's see, since I've been posting a lot, that must mean I don't get a lot of things? Vaj, you are such a putz. He was talking about the French Quarter (abbrev.: FQ). Right. But you didn't quote him as talking *about* the FQ. You said your friend *in* the FQ had told you this and that, and previously you'd been telling us what he'd said about the Convention Center. You frequently aren't clear, Vaj. I'm hardly the only one to have remarked on it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to-- esp. The convention center and the Superdome. What you're not seeing is the hospitals where the people in medical distress are and other such places. How about the bayous? Where's the footage of the people there? Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems are access and lack of communication. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced will get attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a bunch of people standing around doesn't mean there isn't significant efforts underway and happening right now. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the real work is being done. Why not? I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. How do you know? And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. NOLA was and is riddled with corruption. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 11:15 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that FEMA is no longer its own federal agency. It was absorbed into the (cough) Homeland Security Department, an organization so disorganized and mismanaged so far that even its right-wing supporters say it's a madhouse. Having been involved in numerous disasters I can tell you that for many people the most FEMA offered was low interest LOANS. They're also a coordination agency, I believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. huge merciful snip No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Who told you this and how did he know and how did you hear about it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the legislation - both federal and state -- say about disasters and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? So far the left has had a hard time finding a theory. Michelle Malkin has a definitive deconstruction Right, like her definitive defense of the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. of the underfunded levee construction theory, which yesterday seemed like the left's most promising line of attack. The Army Corps of Engineers says the underfunding theory is bogus: Unfortunately, while Americans from all walks of life have been busy raising money, the unhinged Left keeps slinging bull! Read more: 'The Blame Game' By Michelle Malkin http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I have: People are going around offering water food they loot to other survivors with mantras of may you never thirst fear is the mind killer. They've looted a little water food. Looted water and food...interesting use of terms. Just honest. Since most food in a flood-ravaged city is going to spoil before it can be sold, who cares? Someone I know who thinks that all looters should be shot refers to people who grab food off of shelves of the stores as food scavangers to make the distinction. Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. I'm sure it's different depending on where you are in the city. He's had a water one MRE. People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high. Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. Why, if everything was so peaceful? You thought it was peaceful? The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? For some it did, for others not. Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. That's what I've been reading. Some of the news stories are saying trucks with food and water have actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to the Convention Center. It looks like things are *finally* starting to look up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too f*cking long. Yeah, maybe they'll do better next time? It's an unusual situation as typically when you have flooding, it subsides. Of course in this case it did not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the legislation - both federal and state -- say about disasters and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? So far the left has had a hard time finding a theory. Michelle Malkin has a definitive deconstruction of the underfunded levee construction theory, which yesterday seemed like the left's most promising line of attack. The Army Corps of Engineers says the underfunding theory is bogus: Unfortunately, while Americans from all walks of life have been busy raising money, the unhinged Left keeps slinging bull! Read more: 'The Blame Game' By Michelle Malkin http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the path! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 'The Blame Game' By Michelle Malkin http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the path! No, it was an egret nesting *area*, not just one nest, and all it did was create a delay of a few months on one particular project. You really have the right-wing spin down pat, Shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I have: People are going around offering water food they loot to other survivors with mantras of may you never thirst fear is the mind killer. They've looted a little water food. Looted water and food...interesting use of terms. Just honest. Since most food in a flood-ravaged city is going to spoil before it can be sold, who cares? ...not canned or dry foods (as long as the dry foods aren't touched by water)... Someone I know who thinks that all looters should be shot refers to people who grab food off of shelves of the stores as food scavangers to make the distinction. Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. I'm sure it's different depending on where you are in the city. He's had a water one MRE. People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high. Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. Why, if everything was so peaceful? You thought it was peaceful? The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? For some it did, for others not. Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. That's what I've been reading. Some of the news stories are saying trucks with food and water have actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to the Convention Center. It looks like things are *finally* starting to look up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too f*cking long. Yeah, maybe they'll do better next time? It's an unusual situation as typically when you have flooding, it subsides. Of course in this case it did not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 'The Blame Game' By Michelle Malkin http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the path! No, it was an egret nesting *area*, not just one nest, and all it did was create a delay of a few months on one particular project. You really have the right-wing spin down pat, Shemp. Why do the heavy lifting when I can always rely on you to do the resaerching and the googling for me in your never-ending life's work to correct me? Thanks once again... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip They've looted a little water food. Looted water and food...interesting use of terms. Just honest. Since most food in a flood-ravaged city is going to spoil before it can be sold, who cares? ...not canned or dry foods (as long as the dry foods aren't touched by water)... Highly unlikely any storekeepers will be coming back to claim them at this point. The correct term for taking food and water in this situation would be scavenging, not looting. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 6:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the path! Damned birds! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 7:14:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Highly unlikely any storekeepers will be comingback to claim them at this point.The correct term for taking food and water in thissituation would be "scavenging," not "looting." I had heard that at last one Wal- Mart opened the store to the public to take whatever they needed, I think on Tuesday. Probably new it would be looted or the goods would be ruined by flood waters. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
It is not the amount of money spent that really counts; It's the results, on the ground. On the ground now, in New Orleans, is a lack of help. Watch any news broadcast; read any paper; it is there in black and white and color. What is and has been spent in Iraq, is beyond imagination; And what have we created on the ground in Iraq, with all of our billions spent? It's not the money. It's not the money. We are brainwashed to think, it's always the money. It's the attitude. We are a culture, whose values, are showing; And those values; Are killing us. The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
It seems to be reaching a certain pitch of questioning; As to what the hell is going on. History has shown; That in times of true need; True leaders, rise to the occassion. Let's hope we're not too far gone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Maybe this will get people off their duffs and take to the streets demanding this government resign! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
