[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
Use your head, Curtis, and try to apply some logic. If you have ever been on TTC you would know that Marshy runs a very tight ship - no drugs, no illicit sexual activity. Curtis wrote: Uh, dude you were so not in the early movement or even early MIU. The hooking up was not only common, it was fantastic. Thanks for setting the record straight, Curtis. I always thought you and the others were attending TTC so you could spiritually regenerate the world. So, it has been established that you were only drinking the kool aid and following the example set by Marshy. If so, then I think an easier way to get laid would have been for the Marshy to just get married to a nice Hindu girl and for you to have just skipped all the long hours spend in the rounding. I mean, if that was what this was all about, what's the point trying to be all spiritual and such? Ned Wynn: Now, however, I had my eye on becoming a teacher of TM. Becoming a teacher of TM was a good deal from every angle. You got a big boost on the road to God Conciousness, you could actually tell people you had a job, and, in a not-unwelcome side effect, a lot of meditating women looked on being a teacher as similar to being a sort of rock figure. As an aspiring teacher of TM, I had decided to avoid, at least during retreats, the use of drugs or alcohol. Therefore, I had to resort to other stimulants, like hatha-yoga. (...) The more immediate rewards of hatha-yoga were more earthly. For one thing, you could get a woman to disrobe in order to perform it. And there is nothing quite like the sight of a girl in her bikini underwear doing the Plough. Work cited: We Will Always Live in Beverly Hills Growing up crazy in Hollywood By Ned Wynn Morrow, 1990 p. 239
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. The chldren, parents and police were all molested together? Or were the police just watching? This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? You statement suggests that you may believe all second hand accounts are categorically false. If so, that seems a bit harsh and unproductive. While they certainly are not all categorically true, some may be true, others not, some partly. The degree of credibility of first hand party is a key factor in evaluating such. *** The POINT is these are ALL second-hand stories and the fist-hand parties cannot even be verified! The anti-Sais claim to have all this evidence but they can never come up with the goods. I have been waiting for almost five years to come up with the goods and all they can do is play games and tap dance with the media whores. Not ONE of the accusers has even ONE corroborative witness. NOT ONE. Anyone who asks for proof or asks inconvenient questions about their contradictions is then accused of harassing them. If we do not ask, then we are accused of not wanting to know the truth. It is one big mind screw either way you go with these bozos. Sai Baba molests children via personal interviews in his private chambers (plus consensual sex with a few adults). Over a dozen of these people have come forward. Parents have witnessed anal bleeding from their children (though the Bab seems to prefer just touching generally). There are no witnesses. That is the case with most all sexual abuse cases. The proof is the credibility and number of accusations. What convinced me was the fact that some of the parent accusers were high up in the org. and did not want to believe but the evidence got too much for even them. Most sexual abusers avoid court sentencing because of the lack of witnesses, plus SB is in India and rich with influence over the authorities - the idea that some american is going to be able to file charges in SB's hometown is absurd -- but that doesn't mean intelligent people cannot distinguish between a God-man and a pervert. SB's mistake was going after western children. At first he apparently focused on the boy orphans who live near him and who have no power whatsoever to make accusations or be believed. Some of those boys did confront the Baba when they grew up and were shot to death by his armed body guards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
geezerfreak wrote: Tex, you have misquoted every one of these books, no surprise there since you prefer to make it up as you go. Listen, you geezer freak, you are supposed to read the books BEFORE you make your comments. Do you mean that Maharishi condones Paul and that actress sharing a room? asked an indignant Genie, who was a supporter of moral rearmament, a Christian movement with strict moral values, Do you feel that is a good example for the rest of the course members? Beyond Gurus by Nancy Cooke de Herrera Blue Dolphin, 1992 p. 223 The Beatles along with their entourage, which included Mia Farrow were doing drugs, taking LSD, at Maharishi's ashram, and he lost his temper with them. He asked them to leave, and they did in a huff. 'When Maharishi threw Beatles out' The Times of India, Wednesday, February 15, 2006 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1415230.cms Go figure indeed. Yeah, let's go figure - from what I've read here, you were one of the leading recruiters of female students for the Marshy, you and a few others posting here. What's up with that? From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Curtis wrote: This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Maybe so, but I don't recall the Marshy having written anything about the Beatles. Can you be a little more specific, Curtis? In which of Marshy's books, exactly, did you read anything that the Marshy wrote about the Beatles? Where did you read this? We have a perfectly good account of the time the Beatles spent in India with Marshy and the complete Mia episode. Nancy Cooke de Herrerra, who was there, details this event in her book. According to Nancy, Marshy did not approve of Paul McCartney sleeping with Jane Asher at Rishikesh TTC and he asked them to leave if they couldn't abide by the ashram rules. It was just embarassing to have them carrying on in front of the visiting Sadhus. 'Beyond Gurus' by Nancy Cooke De Herrera Blue Dolphin Publishing, 1992 We also have Mia Farrow's book in which she provides an account of her meeting with Marshy in the cave. In that book she also tells about her relationship with Frank and Woody, not a pleasant read. It's obvious after reading her book that the girl was obsessed with having sex with famous people. 'What Falls Away' by Mia Farrow Doubleday Co., 1997 And we have the book by Cynthia Lennon and the biography of John Lennon by Albert Goldman. Both seem to agree that John Lennon was not an agreeable fellow, who was addicted to all kinds of drugs, refused to sleep with his own wife, got Yoko in through the bathroom window, and then abandoned his own son. Go figure. 'A Twist of Lennon' by Cynthia Lennon Avon Books, 1980 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Morrow, 1988 In addition, we have the published remarks of Deepak Chopra, who has said that the Marshy was very unhappy about the Beatles sneaking all that dope into the Rishikesh TTC. 'When Maharishi threw Beatles out' The Times of India, Wednesday, February 15, 2006 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1415230.cms
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Curtis wrote: This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Maybe so, but I don't recall the Marshy having written anything about the Beatles. Can you be a little more specific, Curtis? In which of Marshy's books, exactly, did you read anything that the Marshy wrote about the Beatles? So you decided to fill in his side from your imagination? All your references below just prove the point that the only accounts we have do not support your claims that MMY threw out the Beatles for smoking dope, he was distraught that his tickets to fame walked out on him. Your Mia story is the opposite of her account, and unless MMY gives us his deathbed confession, we only have her side. You don't have to believe their accounts. I don't care if you do or not. But misquoting books that we have all read is a weird game Richard. If you want to believe that MMY is the first super rich famous guy to NOT use his power and influence to get laid, go for it. But the statements you made went beyond that, it was a complete fabrication. What's the point? For me, none of this is more than fun celeb gossip. I really don't care if MMY banged chicks, I care that he is wrong in his understanding of human consciousness. He could have banged all the chicks in the world and never gotten a peep out of me if he actually knew what he was talking about. Where did you read this? We have a perfectly good account of the time the Beatles spent in India with Marshy and the complete Mia episode. Nancy Cooke de Herrerra, who was there, details this event in her book. According to Nancy, Marshy did not approve of Paul McCartney sleeping with Jane Asher at Rishikesh TTC and he asked them to leave if they couldn't abide by the ashram rules. It was just embarassing to have them carrying on in front of the visiting Sadhus. 'Beyond Gurus' by Nancy Cooke De Herrera Blue Dolphin Publishing, 1992 We also have Mia Farrow's book in which she provides an account of her meeting with Marshy in the cave. In that book she also tells about her relationship with Frank and Woody, not a pleasant read. It's obvious after reading her book that the girl was obsessed with having sex with famous people. 'What Falls Away' by Mia Farrow Doubleday Co., 1997 And we have the book by Cynthia Lennon and the biography of John Lennon by Albert Goldman. Both seem to agree that John Lennon was not an agreeable fellow, who was addicted to all kinds of drugs, refused to sleep with his own wife, got Yoko in through the bathroom window, and then abandoned his own son. Go figure. 'A Twist of Lennon' by Cynthia Lennon Avon Books, 1980 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Morrow, 1988 In addition, we have the published remarks of Deepak Chopra, who has said that the Marshy was very unhappy about the Beatles sneaking all that dope into the Rishikesh TTC. 'When Maharishi threw Beatles out' The Times of India, Wednesday, February 15, 2006 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1415230.cms
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to believe that MMY is the first super rich famous guy to NOT use his power and influence to get laid, go for it. Yea, well, um, well just name ONE famous guy that has ever done that! I dare you. SEE! You can't. You don't have one corroborative witness that ever tetified in a court of law to that. And truth is ONLY determined in a court of law, don't you EVEN know THAT! And everyone KNOWS Paul is dead and that was't Paul in Rishikesh. Actually Paul is not dead, he just faked it, but he did set off the explosives in Builing 7. And since lawyers got rich off publishing Mia' memoirs, they are totally bogus. Thus your total arguement is baseless. Which makes everything you ever wrote a lie. And everthing you will ever utter lie!. How can you look yourself in the mirror you mutli-cultural devotee of the false god of the devil's music -- you lying weasal. And your mother wears army boots! Nay, Nay, Mr. Smarty Pants!. (brought to you by -- Parodies'r'Us)
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Maybe so, but I don't recall the Marshy having written anything about the Beatles. Can you be a little more specific, Curtis? In which of Marshy's books, exactly, did you read anything that the Marshy wrote about the Beatles? Curtis wrote: So you decided to fill in his side from your imagination? No, that would be you and the others that decided to fill in their side from their imagination. Apparently you can't cite a single published reference to make your point. What, exactly, is your point, Curtis? All your references below just prove the point that the only accounts we have do not support your claims that MMY threw out the Beatles for smoking dope, he was distraught that his tickets to fame walked out on him. Use your head, Curtis, and try to apply some logic. If you have ever been on TTC you would know that Marshy runs a very tight ship - no drugs, no illicit sexual activity. You have posted zero evidence that this policy was any different on the Rishikesh TTC. However, according to Nancy, who was there, everyone, including Cynthia Lennon was upset about the living arrangements. Paul slept with Jane, but John refused to sleep with Cynthia. That's perverse, when you consider that John was at the same time smoking dope and writing love letters to Yoko Ono. Your Mia story is the opposite of her account, and unless MMY gives us his deathbed confession, we only have her side. That pretty much proves my point, not yours. Mia said nothing in her book about having sexual relations with Marshy. But she had a lot to say about her relations with Frank and Woody, both of which you've got to admit, was perverse. None of the Beatles have said or written anything that would cause me to reconsider my point-of-view. Can you cite a single published source by anyone, in a book, or in the press, that would establish any kind of evidence that Marshy had sexual relations with anyone? If not, then maybe you should just keep your pie hole shut about other people's private sex life. You don't have to believe their accounts. Have any of the Beetles or Mia written anything about Marshy having sexual relations with female students? I think not. Have you ever read anything by anyone where these accusations could be substantiated? Again, I think not. So, apparently it's your imagination that has run wild, not mine. I don't care if you do or not. But misquoting books that we have all read is a weird game Richard. I have not misquoted Nancy's book - I posted an excerpt directly taken from it and I quoted the Times of India an exact quote by Deepak Chopra. You have quoted zero sources - none, zip, nada. If you want to believe that MMY is the first super rich famous guy to NOT use his power and influence to get laid, go for it. Well, if true, then why did you and the others recruit the female students in the first place? Don't you think you at least owe those poor students an explanation, if not an apology, or maybe you could refund their money. What's up with that? Are you saying that you never recruited for the Marshy? I thought you claimed some kind of TMO status. But the statements you made went beyond that, it was a complete fabrication. What's the point? It has not been established that Albert Goldman made up anything about John Lennon. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments, Curtis. 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Morrow, 1988 For me, none of this is more than fun celeb gossip. So, you're saying that discussing the Marshy's private sex life is fun for you. Is that perverse, or what? I really don't care if MMY banged chicks, I care that he is wrong in his understanding of human consciousness. He could have banged all the chicks in the world and never gotten a peep out of me if he actually knew what he was talking about. So, it's Marshy's metaphysics that you're concerned about, not his morality, or lack thereof. If, so then why are you responding to this thread? Why not just start your own thread and entitle it Marshy's Mechanics of Conciousness? Where did you read this? We have a perfectly good account of the time the Beatles spent in India with Marshy and the complete Mia episode. Nancy Cooke de Herrerra, who was there, details this event in her book. According to Nancy, Marshy did not approve of Paul McCartney sleeping with Jane Asher at Rishikesh TTC and he asked them to leave if they couldn't abide by the ashram rules. It was just embarassing to have them carrying on in front of the visiting Sadhus. 'Beyond Gurus' by Nancy Cooke De Herrera Blue Dolphin Publishing, 1992 We also have Mia Farrow's book in which she provides an account of her meeting with Marshy in the cave. In that book she also tells about her relationship
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Maybe so, but I don't recall the Marshy having written anything about the Beatles. Can you be a little more specific, Curtis? In which of Marshy's books, exactly, did you read anything that the Marshy wrote about the Beatles? Curtis wrote: So you decided to fill in his side from your imagination? No, that would be you and the others that decided to fill in their side from their imagination. Apparently you can't cite a single published reference to make your point. What, exactly, is your point, Curtis? I was just challenging your claims. I don't know for sure if MMY banged chicks, I just think it is likely. I take Rick's experience talking to some of the women involved to be a strong indication that it is true. But it was your direct assertions I was questioning. All your references below just prove the point that the only accounts we have do not support your claims that MMY threw out the Beatles for smoking dope, he was distraught that his tickets to fame walked out on him. Use your head, Curtis, and try to apply some logic. If you have ever been on TTC you would know that Marshy runs a very tight ship - no drugs, no illicit sexual activity. Uh, dude you were so not in the early movement or even early MIU. The hooking up was not only common, it was fantastic. You have posted zero evidence that this policy was any different on the Rishikesh TTC. However, according to Nancy, who was there, everyone, including Cynthia Lennon was upset about the living arrangements. Paul slept with Jane, but John refused to sleep with Cynthia. That's perverse, when you consider that John was at the same time smoking dope and writing love letters to Yoko Ono. Your Mia story is the opposite of her account, and unless MMY gives us his deathbed confession, we only have her side. That pretty much proves my point, not yours. Mia said nothing in her book about having sexual relations with Marshy. But she had a lot to say about her relations with Frank and Woody, both of which you've got to admit, was perverse. None of the Beatles have said or written anything that would cause me to reconsider my point-of-view. What I was going on was her saying that she knows when a dude is hitting on her, and MMY was hitting on her in her opinion. I don't know where I read it, in a book or an interview. I am not a promoter of the concept that banging old guys is perverse since I am getting a bit long of tooth myself and want to continue the party. I don't think MMY banged Mia according to her account. He just put the creepy guru moves on her and she declined. Was I there? Do I really care, no and no. Can you cite a single published source by anyone, in a book, or in the press, that would establish any kind of evidence that Marshy had sexual relations with anyone? If not, then maybe you should just keep your pie hole shut about other people's private sex life. No need for the unfriendly shut your pie hole Richard. We are just talking. I wasn't making claims about his sex life, you are. And they were made up. You claimed that Mia came on to MMY. You made it up. I am welcome to express any opinion I choose. If you want to be respectful of MMY you might start by not referring to him as Marshy. That isn't even the phonetic spelling of the upper movement affectation on pronouncing his name. What's up with that? You don't have to believe their accounts. Have any of the Beetles or Mia written anything about Marshy having sexual relations with female students? I think not. Have you ever read anything by anyone where these accusations could be substantiated? Again, I think not. So, apparently it's your imagination that has run wild, not mine. ZZZ I don't think either of those sources would be as good as the chicks accounts themselves. I don't care if you do or not. But misquoting books that we have all read is a weird game Richard. I have not misquoted Nancy's book - I posted an excerpt directly taken from it and I quoted the Times of India an exact quote by Deepak Chopra. You have quoted zero sources - none, zip, nada. If you want to believe that MMY is the first super rich famous guy to NOT use his power and influence to get laid, go for it. Well, if true, then why did you and the others recruit the female students in the first place? Don't you think you at least owe those poor students an explanation, if not an apology, or maybe you could refund their money. What's up with that? Are you saying that you never recruited for the Marshy? I thought you claimed some kind of TMO status. I taught people TM. I never brought chicks to his room. This is a common theme
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi. TurquoiseB, I wonder if you know how you sound? I never had my dick felt up by Sai Baba. Apparently, not only are your impressions indicative of perversion, they are untrue. Everyone is still waiting for ANY proof that Baba feel's up little boy's penises. Where is the proof? You don't know, do you? I suspect your little boy's penises comment also slithered out of the same gutter your dick comment came from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi. TurquoiseB, I wonder if you know how you sound? I never had my dick felt up by Sai Baba. Apparently, not only are your impressions indicative of perversion, they are untrue. Everyone is still waiting for ANY proof that Baba feel's up little boy's penises. Where is the proof? You don't know, do you? I suspect your little boy's penises comment also slithered out of the same gutter your dick comment came from. Gee Joe, I wonder if Rick will feel a need to reprimand Turquoise for the perverted and irresponsible insult. Is it just me or does it seem like all these anti-guru types need anger management therapy and sensitivity training to go with it? Turquoise since you claim to be so smart, please do tell us why three of the adult accusers (Keith Ord, Alaya Rahm and Ullrich Zimmermann) claimed that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. You are so smart, you do know about that don't you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi. TurquoiseB, I wonder if you know how you sound? Well, not knowing the type of sound card and 'turn the printed words on the screen into sound' software you have, no, I have no idea how I sound. How I meant to sound in writing was as somewhat of a jokester hoping to get a rise out of a poster whose obsessions are becoming boring and tedious. In that I think I succeeded. Please try to read the following with an open mind, to see if you can get more of a perspective on how *you* sound to many of us on this forum. I never had my dick felt up by Sai Baba. Apparently, not only are your impressions indicative of perversion, they are untrue. They may well be, in both cases, although my perversions, if I have them, tend to involve women and not little boys. As for whether my impressions are untrue or not, I base the little I know about Sai Baba on what seem to me to be fairly *credible* reports I've seen on the Internet and in the press. By comparison, *you* don't seem to be very credible, for reasons I will explain below. Everyone is still waiting for ANY proof that Baba feel's up little boy's penises. Where is the proof? You seem to have completely *missed* geezerfreak's comment. His impression of you (how *you* sound) is remarkably like mine. That is, there is NO proof that would convince you. If you were in a room with Sai Baba himself and he admitted to having done every- thing he's been accused of, and even dropped trou and *demonstrated* it with a small young boy right in front of your eyes, you would find some way to believe that he had been coerced to do so, or that he was doing some masterly trick to test the faith of his devotees. As far as I can tell, the possibility of proof does not EXIST for you. My impression for why this is true is that you sound like Every Other Cult Apologist I've Ever Met On The Internet. You make a big show of 'protecting Baba,' but that's not true. What you are protecting is *yourself*, and the belief and faith that you've placed in him for many years. It's THAT that you cannot allow yourself to doubt, and that you are 'protecting,' not Sai Baba himself. You don't know, do you? I suspect your little boy's penises comment also slithered out of the same gutter your dick comment came from. As Oscar Wilde (a world-class pervert himself) once said, We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. I have *no problem* owning up to having a gutter mind. Similarly, I have *no problem* owning up to having, in my youth, misplaced my faith and beliefs in a few spiritual teachers who didn't quite live up to the image they tried to project. THAT is the thing that I think you are unable to do. Let's look at the facts, shall we? You arrived on this forum -- a group that on the whole really doesn't give a shit about Sai Baba, except as Just Another Fallen Guru -- and started bombarding us all with your obsessive posts 'defending' and 'protecting' him. This is *clearly* an obsession for you; just *look* at how much you have posted here so far, to an audience that *doesn't give a shit* -- about you, about Sai Baba, and about your need to protect your beliefs and pretend that they were and are well-founded. You, on the other hand, continue to obsess. All evidence I've seen points to you having practiced this obsession for quite some time now, on every forum you can spam your obsession to. If that's *your* perversion, I sincerely hope that it makes you happy, and brings some fulfillment to your life. It's not doin' a whole lot for me. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SAI BABA. To me, he's a silly twit with a
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Turquoise since you claim to be so smart, please do tell us why three of the adult accusers (Keith Ord, Alaya Rahm and Ullrich Zimmermann) claimed that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. You are so smart, you do know about that don't you? Andy Rymer said that too. Of course, the only way they would know that, if it happened, is if they were feeling or seeing his genitalia. And from there it's not a stretch to believe that he was reciprocating. So far I haven't heard either you or Babafan comment on that. As Baba devotees who are much better informed about him than I or most of the people here, I'm sincerely interested in your interpretation of these goings on. Has Baba ever explained it? You seem to be admitting here that several people have independently observed something about his genitalia, which means you acknowledge that they were in a position to observe it, so we're not arguing that point. I just want to hear your commentary on why Baba provided an opportunity for those observations to occur. Even if I grant you that many of the accusations are false, you have just admitted that some of these activities actually happened. Presumably you see them in a positive light. I'm stating this in various ways in order to make myself as clear as possible and to get you to answer the following request: please share with us your understanding of why Baba engages in these activities, to whatever extent he does.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? Questions Rick ? I would rather label them as accusations. That Babafan refuses to step down to your level is more than understandable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. *** This is a PERFECT example as to how people can be duped by the media. Sorry Rick but Alaya Rahm was EIGHTEEN years old in 1997 when he alleges he was molested around 20 times, according to him using the alias Sam Young in the Divine Downfall interview with Mick Brown. It turns out he only had SEVEN interviews alone. When I first starting researching these facts almost five years ago I was aghast to find out ALL the accusers where ADULT MALES, all except two are white. Isn't it interesting that in all these years we cannot find even ONE child, much less ONE Indian child who is accusing Sai Baba of being abused? All the accusations regarding children are SECOND-HAND stories from Larsson, Bailey, et al.. Combine this with the KNOWN and documentable fact that NOT one person has EVER even TRIED to file charges with the police and it smells of nothing but a racist smear campaign. Even Tony Blair is an alleged 2003 letter to Tony Colman reminded him that alleged victims MUST file charges with Indian police. Now with all the money that Larsson is supposed to have, can you please tell me WHY he has not lifted a finger to see that any of these alleged victims he bellows about file charges like they are suppoed to? Proof: http://www.saipetition.net/letter.htm And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? In addition to this, Larsson claims in later talks he gave in 1997 and 1998 that he had NEVER heard of Sai Baba until 1978 when he stated he was saved by Sai Baba in Sri Lanka. This also contradicts his statements regarding the alleged 1973 Hislop letter as Larsson claimed MMY told Conny to tell Hislop not to follow Sai Baba in letter to Hislop. We will be PERFECTLY happy to deal with FACTS rather than unproven accusations and generalities. Hello Babafan; keep up the good work ! Here is what Benjamin Creme writes about Sai Baba: Maitreya Sai Baba Sai Baba is a teacher or guru in south India with an enormous following. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps one or two million people from all over the world would claim to be his devotees. These Followers see him as God, the creator of the universe. He is a cosmic avatar. Sai Baba and Maitreya both embody the same energy--what we call the Christ principle, the energy of Love --- Sai Baba at the cosmic level, Maitreya at the planetary level. The relation of Sai Baba to the Christ: The Christ is a planetary avatar, Sai Baba is a cosmic avatar. He is a Spiritual Regent, sent into the world by the Lord of the World, Sanat Kumara, on Shamballa. A regent stands in for the king. Similarly, a Spiritual Regent stands in for God, for the Logos, Whose reflection Sanat Kumara is. Sai Baba embodies the energy of Love at a cosmic level (the Christ embodies this energy at the planetary level) and his work, in part, is to prepare humanity for the work of the Christ. By awakening the love principle in humanity, Sai Baba will prepare people for the Initiatory work of the Christ. As the Hierophant, the Initiator, at the first two planetary initiations, the Christ will lead humanity gradually out of the strictly human kingdom into the Hierarchy, the Kingdom of Souls, or the Kingdom of God. That is his major work in the coming age of Aquarius. These two Great Ones work together in daily contact, complete harmony and shared purpose in the evolution of mankind. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi. TurquoiseB, I wonder if you know how you sound? I never had my dick felt up by Sai Baba. Apparently, not only are your impressions indicative of perversion, they are untrue. Everyone is still waiting for ANY proof that Baba feel's up little boy's penises. Where is the proof? You don't know, do you? I suspect your little boy's penises comment also slithered out of the same gutter your dick comment came from. Or perhaps TurquoiseB is the only person on this formum who knows from firsthand experience what that activity is all about...
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? ** Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and FIRST at that), Rick. I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to get it. This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well. Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? Now grow up and get real. The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove that in court. Now deal with it. And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to them. Babafanyou appear to be experiancing some severe roughness of awareness. Feel the body. (Your own, not some child please.)
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I try to catch a little shut eye and miss a discussion about guru's genitals! Damn I gotta put a guru genital alert on my computer, perhaps Turq or Vaj can help me figure out how to do this. I just want a bell to ring whenever certain topics come up here! I think it is entirely possible for Sai to be a hermaphrodite. It is a lot more reasonable to believe this than that he can supernaturally switch genitals. Given his interest in magic tricks it is also possible that he pulls a little tucking maneuver... This is such a great area to speculate on! But ambiguous genitalia is a lot more common that magically transforming lingams into yonis, nuff said. Of course Rick's point that under this discussion is a definite admission that Sai's whatever was out for discussion. The power balance of master disciple is too skewed for this to be cool in my book. I notice a certain lack of compassion in the Sai defenders for people who may have been molested. The whole can you prove it defense is also true about the abuse. We don't have evidence on either side about the issue. If it did happen the people abused deserve a drop of human compassion, yes? no? Attacking the accusers without direct knowledge seems a little callus. We are all against sex abuse, yes? no? As far as I am concerned Sai's credibility as a special guy doesn't need to be undermined by his sexual activity since I will never know the truth about that. It is plainly undermined by his use of tricks from a 10 year old's Christmas present Golly Gee I'm a Magician, Tricks to Amaze Your Family and Friends Jumbo Fun Set. The guy is doing magic tricks (badly) right in front of our eyes and passing them off as evidence that he has special powers. This is bullshit artistry at its worst. Anyone who sees his tricks and still chooses to believe that he being straightforward and sincere about anything is choosing the dumbass path in life. We all make our choices in life don't we? There may be people on earth who are different in a profound way from me, but it sure helps the odds of finding them if we can scratch obvious charlatans from the list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Turquoise since you claim to be so smart, please do tell us why three of the adult accusers (Keith Ord, Alaya Rahm and Ullrich Zimmermann) claimed that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. You are so smart, you do know about that don't you? Andy Rymer said that too. Of course, the only way they would know that, if it happened, is if they were feeling or seeing his genitalia. And from there it's not a stretch to believe that he was reciprocating. So far I haven't heard either you or Babafan comment on that. As Baba devotees who are much better informed about him than I or most of the people here, I'm sincerely interested in your interpretation of these goings on. Has Baba ever explained it? You seem to be admitting here that several people have independently observed something about his genitalia, which means you acknowledge that they were in a position to observe it, so we're not arguing that point. I just want to hear your commentary on why Baba provided an opportunity for those observations to occur. Even if I grant you that many of the accusations are false, you have just admitted that some of these activities actually happened. Presumably you see them in a positive light. I'm stating this in various ways in order to make myself as clear as possible and to get you to answer the following request: please share with us your understanding of why Baba engages in these activities, to whatever extent he does.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi. Haw! Thanks for cutting through to the heart of the matter Barry.
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Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. The chldren, parents and police were all molested together? Or were the police just watching? This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? You statement suggests that you may believe all second hand accounts are categorically false. If so, that seems a bit harsh and unproductive. While they certainly are not all categorically true, some may be true, others not, some partly. The degree of credibility of first hand party is a key factor in evaluating such.
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vishvarupa wrote: Where is the proof? I've been requesting this information for years, to no avail. All I've seen are emails posted here, but no actual evidence, only accusations by disgruntled former members claiming TMO status. From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. But, I wouldn't believe a single word from Alex Mardas or Conny Larsson. It wouldn't upset me to find out about any of these alleged activities; Trungpa was well known for having relations with students; Osel Tenzin died of AIDS, Richard Baker of the San Francisco Zen Centrer once left a female student's shoes outside the door, Swami Rama was found guilty in a court after he was already dead, the Krishnamurti, the Sogyal and the Kalu have both been reported to have had girlfriends, Adi Da is probably a genuine profligate, and the Zen Master Rama, accdording to Uncle Tantra, used to have relations with all of his female students. Reports of inappropriate activities are rampant in ISKCON and ISDL. So what? But obviously nobody here has any evidence, but some like to drink the kool-aid anyway. They've been in and out of cults for most of their adult life. What I can't understand is why some people continued to work for them for years AFTER they found out about them. In one case, a Barry actually put up posters for two of these guys and a Peter actually passed out leaflets, promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. Another, Bharat2, wants me to get into 'Power Touch Yoga', taught by a former Indian pilot and left-handed basket weaver, and Vaj the Nath is trying to get me to believe in a 'Celestial Buddha' who lived over a million years ago on a planet called Meru. Now a Ron and a Billy are extolling a 'Swami G' out in Los Angeles. I wonder what Swami G. is up to? Is he anything like 'Swami Boo' in that movie 'The Guru with Heather Graham? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Where did you read this? \ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vishvarupa wrote: Where is the proof? I've been requesting this information for years, to no avail. All I've seen are emails posted here, but no actual evidence, only accusations by disgruntled former members claiming TMO status. From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. But, I wouldn't believe a single word from Alex Mardas or Conny Larsson. It wouldn't upset me to find out about any of these alleged activities; Trungpa was well known for having relations with students; Osel Tenzin died of AIDS, Richard Baker of the San Francisco Zen Centrer once left a female student's shoes outside the door, Swami Rama was found guilty in a court after he was already dead, the Krishnamurti, the Sogyal and the Kalu have both been reported to have had girlfriends, Adi Da is probably a genuine profligate, and the Zen Master Rama, accdording to Uncle Tantra, used to have relations with all of his female students. Reports of inappropriate activities are rampant in ISKCON and ISDL. So what? But obviously nobody here has any evidence, but some like to drink the kool-aid anyway. They've been in and out of cults for most of their adult life. What I can't understand is why some people continued to work for them for years AFTER they found out about them. In one case, a Barry actually put up posters for two of these guys and a Peter actually passed out leaflets, promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. Another, Bharat2, wants me to get into 'Power Touch Yoga', taught by a former Indian pilot and left-handed basket weaver, and Vaj the Nath is trying to get me to believe in a 'Celestial Buddha' who lived over a million years ago on a planet called Meru. Now a Ron and a Billy are extolling a 'Swami G' out in Los Angeles. I wonder what Swami G. is up to? Is he anything like 'Swami Boo' in that movie 'The Guru with Heather Graham? Go figure.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Where did you read this? He didn't. He makes this stuff up. Trying to have a rational conversation with him is an exercise in futility.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Where did you read this? Hiya Curtis. WillyTex has no idea where he read this...he just makes it up as he goes. It's useless trying to converse with him.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to have a rational conversation with him is an exercise in futility. Is it true? Can you absolutely know that it's true? How do you react when you think that thought? Who would you be without the thought? Then turn it around, and don't forget to find three genuine examples of each turnaround. :)
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Both you and Rick have wisely warned me to avoid his trollish ways. Thanks. MMY would refer to this good advice as preserving the psychology, wouldn't he! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Where did you read this? Hiya Curtis. WillyTex has no idea where he read this...he just makes it up as he goes. It's useless trying to converse with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, conscientiousobjector2 000 conscientiousobjector2000@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] groups.com] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? ** Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and FIRST at that), Rick. I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to get it. This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well. Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second- hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? Now grow up and get real. The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove that in court. Now deal with it. And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to them. Babafanyou appear to be experiancing some severe roughness of awareness. Feel the body. (Your own, not some child please.) * For your information you little freakazoid, I'm a REAL CHILD sexual abuse survivor. It may be a BIG joke to you when someone is accused of sexual abuse but it is NOT to me. Now grow up you immature pervert.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown For your information you little freakazoid, I'm a REAL CHILD sexual abuse survivor. It may be a BIG joke to you when someone is accused of sexual abuse but it is NOT to me. Now grow up you immature pervert. Baba seems to be having a wonderful effect on you folks. Such warm, loving posts. Where do I sign up?
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Turquoise since you claim to be so smart, please do tell us why three of the adult accusers (Keith Ord, Alaya Rahm and Ullrich Zimmermann) claimed that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. You are so smart, you do know about that don't you? Andy Rymer said that too. Of course, the only way they would know that, if it happened, is if they were feeling or seeing his genitalia. And from there it's not a stretch to believe that he was reciprocating. So far I haven't heard either you or Babafan comment on that. As Baba devotees who are much better informed about him than I or most of the people here, I'm sincerely interested in your interpretation of these goings on. Has Baba ever explained it? You seem to be admitting here that several people have independently observed something about his genitalia, which means you acknowledge that they were in a position to observe it, so we're not arguing that point. I just want to hear your commentary on why Baba provided an opportunity for those observations to occur. Even if I grant you that many of the accusations are false, you have just admitted that some of these activities actually happened. Presumably you see them in a positive light. I'm stating this in various ways in order to make myself as clear as possible and to get you to answer the following request: please share with us your understanding of why Baba engages in these activities, to whatever extent he does. ** The question is WHY are you so willing to believe such asuspicious story in the first place Rick? Your buddy Andy Rymer was singing Baba's praises and even had a website in which he used Sai Baa for his advertising. Not to mention your story is another second-hand tellig as Andy Rymer has NEVER made a public statement regarding his alleged experience so that his statements can be analysed and questions can be asked in order to determine whether he is truthful or not. My experience is that people who hide out after they ake accusations are NOT truthful. If their claims cannot stand up to scrutiny, i for one and absolutely NOT going to back them. If you want to back people you do not know or think you know, you go right ahead, that YOUR responsibility.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown For your information you little freakazoid, I'm a REAL CHILD sexual abuse survivor. It may be a BIG joke to you when someone is accused of sexual abuse but it is NOT to me. Now grow up you immature pervert. Baba seems to be having a wonderful effect on you folks. Such warm, loving posts. Where do I sign up? ** You seem to be a very insensitive person when people make such perverted jokes Rick. Why do you always seem to be defending the liars and perverts and abusers Rick?
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--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In one case, a Barry actually put up posters for two of these guys and a Peter actually passed out leaflets, promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. Are you referring to me? What in the world are you talking about? Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. The chldren, parents and police were all molested together? Or were the police just watching? This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? You statement suggests that you may believe all second hand accounts are categorically false. If so, that seems a bit harsh and unproductive. While they certainly are not all categorically true, some may be true, others not, some partly. The degree of credibility of first hand party is a key factor in evaluating such. *** The POINT is these are ALL second-hand stories and the fist-hand parties cannot even be verified! The anti-Sais claim to have all this evidence but they can never come up with the goods. I have been waiting for almost five years to come up with the goods and all they can do is play games and tap dance with the media whores. Not ONE of the accusers has even ONE corroborative witness. NOT ONE. Anyone who asks for proof or asks inconvenient questions about their contradictions is then accused of harassing them. If we do not ask, then we are accused of not wanting to know the truth. It is one big mind screw either way you go with these bozos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Curtis wrote: This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Maybe so, but I don't recall the Marshy having written anything about the Beatles. Can you be a little more specific, Curtis? In which of Marshy's books, exactly, did you read anything that the Marshy wrote about the Beatles? Where did you read this? We have a perfectly good account of the time the Beatles spent in India with Marshy and the complete Mia episode. Nancy Cooke de Herrerra, who was there, details this event in her book. According to Nancy, Marshy did not approve of Paul McCartney sleeping with Jane Asher at Rishikesh TTC and he asked them to leave if they couldn't abide by the ashram rules. It was just embarassing to have them carrying on in front of the visiting Sadhus. 'Beyond Gurus' by Nancy Cooke De Herrera Blue Dolphin Publishing, 1992 We also have Mia Farrow's book in which she provides an account of her meeting with Marshy in the cave. In that book she also tells about her relationship with Frank and Woody, not a pleasant read. It's obvious after reading her book that the girl was obsessed with having sex with famous people. 'What Falls Away' by Mia Farrow Doubleday Co., 1997 And we have the book by Cynthia Lennon and the biography of John Lennon by Albert Goldman. Both seem to agree that John Lennon was not an agreeable fellow, who was addicted to all kinds of drugs, refused to sleep with his own wife, got Yoko in through the bathroom window, and then abandoned his own son. Go figure. 'A Twist of Lennon' by Cynthia Lennon Avon Books, 1980 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Morrow, 1988 In addition, we have the published remarks of Deepak Chopra, who has said that the Marshy was very unhappy about the Beatles sneaking all that dope into the Rishikesh TTC. 'When Maharishi threw Beatles out' The Times of India, Wednesday, February 15, 2006 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1415230.cms
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Curtis wrote: This is directly opposite of every published account I have read by the principles involved. Maybe so, but I don't recall the Marshy having written anything about the Beatles. Can you be a little more specific, Curtis? In which of Marshy's books, exactly, did you read anything that the Marshy wrote about the Beatles? Where did you read this? We have a perfectly good account of the time the Beatles spent in India with Marshy and the complete Mia episode. Nancy Cooke de Herrerra, who was there, details this event in her book. According to Nancy, Marshy did not approve of Paul McCartney sleeping with Jane Asher at Rishikesh TTC and he asked them to leave if they couldn't abide by the ashram rules. It was just embarassing to have them carrying on in front of the visiting Sadhus. 'Beyond Gurus' by Nancy Cooke De Herrera Blue Dolphin Publishing, 1992 We also have Mia Farrow's book in which she provides an account of her meeting with Marshy in the cave. In that book she also tells about her relationship with Frank and Woody, not a pleasant read. It's obvious after reading her book that the girl was obsessed with having sex with famous people. 'What Falls Away' by Mia Farrow Doubleday Co., 1997 And we have the book by Cynthia Lennon and the biography of John Lennon by Albert Goldman. Both seem to agree that John Lennon was not an agreeable fellow, who was addicted to all kinds of drugs, refused to sleep with his own wife, got Yoko in through the bathroom window, and then abandoned his own son. Go figure. 'A Twist of Lennon' by Cynthia Lennon Avon Books, 1980 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Morrow, 1988 In addition, we have the published remarks of Deepak Chopra, who has said that the Marshy was very unhappy about the Beatles sneaking all that dope into the Rishikesh TTC. 'When Maharishi threw Beatles out' The Times of India, Wednesday, February 15, 2006 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1415230.cms Tex, you have misquoted every one of these books, no surprise there since you prefer to make it up as you go. Go figure indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/ I hope Sai is paying you a good legal fee out of his billions to spread his cult's pathetic reasoning - there's no document showing the pay schedule with local law enforcement so obviously it can't be - there's no video of the molestations that take place within Sai's heavily guarded with weapons private quarters, so the dozens of reports by credible witnesses can't be true. Your references to Sai's adoring website are meaningless. Have Sai come over to the US and face a US court and doctors' examination records of several children of former US devotees. His proven on video magic tricks won't help him a bit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. *** This is a PERFECT example as to how people can be duped by the media. Sorry Rick but Alaya Rahm was EIGHTEEN years old in 1997 when he alleges he was molested around 20 times, according to him using the alias Sam Young in the Divine Downfall interview with Mick Brown. It turns out he only had SEVEN interviews alone. When I first starting researching these facts almost five years ago I was aghast to find out ALL the accusers where ADULT MALES, all except two are white. Isn't it interesting that in all these years we cannot find even ONE child, much less ONE Indian child who is accusing Sai Baba of being abused? All the accusations regarding children are SECOND-HAND stories from Larsson, Bailey, et al.. Combine this with the KNOWN and documentable fact that NOT one person has EVER even TRIED to file charges with the police and it smells of nothing but a racist smear campaign. Even Tony Blair is an alleged 2003 letter to Tony Colman reminded him that alleged victims MUST file charges with Indian police. Now with all the money that Larsson is supposed to have, can you please tell me WHY he has not lifted a finger to see that any of these alleged victims he bellows about file charges like they are suppoed to? Proof: http://www.saipetition.net/letter.htm And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? In addition to this, Larsson claims in later talks he gave in 1997 and 1998 that he had NEVER heard of Sai Baba until 1978 when he stated he was saved by Sai Baba in Sri Lanka. This also contradicts his statements regarding the alleged 1973 Hislop letter as Larsson claimed MMY told Conny to tell Hislop not to follow Sai Baba in letter to Hislop. We will be PERFECTLY happy to deal with FACTS rather than unproven accusations and generalities.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this?
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/ I hope Sai is paying you a good legal fee out of his billions to spread his cult's pathetic reasoning - there's no document showing the pay schedule with local law enforcement so obviously it can't be - there's no video of the molestations that take place within Sai's heavily guarded with weapons private quarters, so the dozens of reports by credible witnesses can't be true. Your references to Sai's adoring website are meaningless. Have Sai come over to the US and face a US court and doctors' examination records of several children of former US devotees. His proven on video magic tricks won't help him a bit. boo_lives, typical response. Blame others of being paid, etc. Who is paying you? You obviously cannot back up your claims to there being examination records of several children of Sai Devotees in the USA (which Alaya Rahm's experienced sexual-abuse Trial Lawyer failed to find). When Alaya Rahm filed his publicity-stunt lawsuit in the United States, NO ONE came forward to defend him or support his sexual abuse allegations against Sai Baba. Not even one single American or Non- American (out of ALLEGED hundreds to thousands of sexual abuse victims world-wide). Despite Sathya Sai Baba being worth billions of dollars, not even one money-hungry lawyer will touch alleged victims. Ever wonder why? And do tell us where you are getting the number of dozens of sexual abuse victims from? On Anti-Sai websites, they list 17 people, out of which only 6 use (allegedly) real full names. I rather form my conclusions on verifiable information. Not gossip, rumors, second-hand stories and hearsay. I've made my choice and it is apparent you have made yours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/ Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world. Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 babafan@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world. Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. There's room for some middle ground here. According to the Merriam- Webster dictionary, a Disciple is one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another. Could I then consider myself a disciple of Maharishi's? According to this definition, sure-- though my assisting in spreading his doctrine is on the relaxed side of casual. Do I accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and 70's. Sure, if he did. Do I even think about this once in an entire year? No. The thing about Maharishi is he just has a vibe I particularly like. His radiance has a comfortable feel to me. End of story. Good vibe. And not good in a moral sense, but good almost in an artistic sense or a natural sense. Like the picture of the magnolia blossom I took yesterday morning. Can't really explain it. Same with Guru Dev. They both just have good vibes. I'm not one to get all intellectual about it. Just one of those things. So that's it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? ** Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and FIRST at that), Rick. I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to get it. This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well. Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? Now grow up and get real. The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove that in court. Now deal with it. And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to them.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions?
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Tex, Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of Sai Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own personal experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders behavior, cult followers nearly always react this way. They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news. Sound like anyone you know? And whenever anyone questions Anti-Cultist's behavior, Anti-Cultist sympathizers nearly always react by dismissing their fellow Anti- Cultist's behavior, all the while whining and sniveling about 'inappropriate behavior' from others. The fact of the matter is that Conny Larsson has fully associated himself (for years) with the Indian Guru, Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi's Guru), even as recently as 2005. Conny Larsson now claims that he is a psychic medium, a psychic healer, charges money for private aura/chakra healings, lectures on Yoga and Spirituality, initiates others with Vedic Mantras, teaches 'Master Classes', uses crystal pedulums to diagnose illnesses in others, sings bhajans, teaching meditation classes, opened his own meditation/healing center in Cyprus and solicits himself as a mantra yoga meditation teacher (i.e., guru). All these 'behaviors' are very cultish. Anyone disagree? And the website in question (which exposes Conny Larsson) was not written by a Sai Baba disciple. Amusing how geezerfreak argues against others shooting-the-messenger, but then engages in shooting the messenger when it comes to protecting views he/she favors. Geezerfreak, try putting down your bb-gun before shooting-the- messenger without conducting remedial research: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/faq.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation...
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Tex, Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of Sai Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own personal experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders behavior, cult followers nearly always react this way. They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news. Sound like anyone you know? And whenever anyone questions Anti-Cultist's behavior, Anti-Cultist sympathizers nearly always react by dismissing their fellow Anti- Cultist's behavior, all the while whining and sniveling about 'inappropriate behavior' from others. The fact of the matter is that Conny Larsson has fully associated himself (for years) with the Indian Guru, Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi's Guru), even as recently as 2005. Conny Larsson now claims that he is a psychic medium, a psychic healer, charges money for private aura/chakra healings, lectures on Yoga and Spirituality, initiates others with Vedic Mantras, teaches 'Master Classes', uses crystal pedulums to diagnose illnesses in others, sings bhajans, teaching meditation classes, opened his own meditation/healing center in Cyprus and solicits himself as a mantra yoga meditation teacher (i.e., guru). All these 'behaviors' are very cultish. Anyone disagree? And the website in question (which exposes Conny Larsson) was not written by a Sai Baba disciple. Amusing how geezerfreak argues against others shooting-the-messenger, but then engages in shooting the messenger when it comes to protecting views he/she favors. Geezerfreak, try putting down your bb-gun before shooting-the- messenger without conducting remedial research: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/faq.html Nice. Thanks for posting this. About time someone shoots back at false accusators and rumourmakers like Conny Larson and others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation... The site willy links to is a pro Sai Baba propaganda site, which means pro pedophile pro magic tricks site, which seems dedicated to slandering everyone bringing out the truth about His Sliminess like Connie is doing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation... The site willy links to is a pro Sai Baba propaganda site, which means pro pedophile pro magic tricks site, which seems dedicated to slandering everyone bringing out the truth about His Sliminess like Connie is doing. Information is not 'slander' when it's true, verifiable and is referenced. And funny enough, many ex-devotees of Sathya Sai Baba believe (even to this day) that Sathya Sai Baba does possess genuine paranormal powers. Amusingly, they attribute these powers to a dark force and some have claimed that Sai Baba is an astral demon (how's that for rational)! Let me sum up Conny's case against Sathya Sai Baba: Conny claimed he was sexually abused from 1979 to 1983 (a period of 4 years) by Sathya Sai Baba when he was an adult (31-34 years of age). Conny claimed that he knew that others were being sexually abused from 1986 to 1999 (a period of 13 years) and he did absolutely nothing about it despite being a pyschotherapist himself. In 1999, after spending many hours with a deprogrammer, Conny Larsson all of a sudden recovered 39 year old suppressed memories of being sexually abused as a child, recovered memories that Sathya Sai Baba sexually abused him and at the same time realized Sathya Sai Baba was a fraud and cheat. A few months before his defection, Conny Larsson was recorded on audio tapes crying and sobbing uncontrollably, relating utterly astounding miracles he experienced with Sathya Sai Baba and professing his undying devotion to him. Funny how people are more than willing to believe Conny's unsupported defamations against Sathya Sai Baba yet dismiss his numerous miraculous experiences. If Conny lied about Baba's powers, who is to say he is telling the truth now? If Conny was truthful about Baba's powers then why does everyone completely dismiss those experiences? Unlike other gurus, Sathya Sai Baba has never been charged with any crime, sexual or otherwise. As a matter of fact, not even one alleged victim has even tried to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sai Baba in India. In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. Those who discuss the very disturbing online behavior of critics of Sathya Sai Baba (most of which is utterly obscene and profane) are subject to vicious defamation campaigns by ex-devotes. Yet I do not see anyone complaining about ex-devotees smear and hate campaigns. It appears critics and skeptics are allowed to engage in whatever behavior they choose with impunity and everyone else is held to a different standard. This type of behavior, in layman's terms, is called hypocrisy.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. There have been dozens of complaints, some from parents who were once regional leaders of SB's movt in US and some in Europe, which was very difficult for them to accept. There's so much evidence that even many Sai devotees now admit he touches devotees genitals but only for their own good. To close your eyes to reality and mindlessly repeat your religion's propaganda in order to protect a pedophile and your own silly God-Man beliefs is the opposite of true spirituality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Tex, Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of Sai Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own personal experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders behavior, cult followers nearly always react this way. They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news. Sound like anyone you know?
