--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
I would note: CO2 will accumulate after a period of time.
Hyperventilating before holding your breath can minimize that,
purging CO2. So, were the meditators doing breathing exercises
before their
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@
wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the
facts
On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
Seeing how MMY believed that the BUddha taught TM, that's an odd
thing
to say.
Lawson
Can't recall Maharishi ever say that, though He always spoke very
highly of the Buddha.
The MIU curriculum used to claim the Surangama sutra was
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure
Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness-
aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one or
another particular correlates of pure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133.pdf
Whether or not this is real pure consciousness or not, who can say?
Lawson
Yup, that is the bottom line. All we know is that some transcendental
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure
Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness-
aren't we?), all that we can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133.pdf
Whether or not this is real pure consciousness or not, who can say?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure
Consciousness is unmanifest(we are
On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then what
is there to measure?
Sorry to break into your flake-fest here Ms. Enlightened--and not to
belabor the point--but as long as the physical body remains you cannot
negate
We become a living embodiment of pure
consciousness, and then what is there
to measure?
Vaj wrote:
Sorry to break into your flake-fest here
Ms. Enlightened--and not to belabor the
point--but as long as the physical body
remains you cannot negate the physical.
From my POV pure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then
what
is there to measure?
Sorry to break into your flake-fest here Ms. Enlightened--and not
to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lack of fucking will make you spacey. Good fucking makes
you very centered and present. Also an occasional chicken
sandwich before or after fucking will make you grounded too.
Not during? :-)
Bhairitu's and Vaj's and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'...
'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still
aware.
Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking,
needs to
On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote:
What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'...
'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still
aware.
Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking,
needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote:
What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'...
'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still
aware.
Since in the beginning, this act of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote:
What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'...
'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still
aware.
Since in the beginning, this act of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote:
What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'...
'Spacing out' means you aren't having any
Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to
fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none
of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as
ranting.
No, I base it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The actual establishment of witness-
consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes
Vaj, can you describe some of those attributes?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:38 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The actual establishment of witness-
consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes
Vaj, can you describe some of those attributes?
Control over waking,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts
to
fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many
and none
of which,
Correction: 100,000 meditators would be 5% of the 2 million that
have started, not .05 %.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM,
enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
The difference between spontaneous samadhi and spacing out is
that nothing is accomplished by spacing out except escape. It is a
little like being dead. Caused by actions leading to a big dosha
imbalance.
Spontaneous samadhi (is there really unspontaneous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to
fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none
of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as
ranting.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@
wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the
facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and
Many and none
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@
wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have
learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent
are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that
is still
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information.
Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or
anything else that actually works.
Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience
versus their outdated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people
have
learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one
percent
are
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma
coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of
consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners,
thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently
is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be
great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not
bias, just the
---There's no known measure for one's experience of TC (Being). The
measurements are correlated with Benson's relaxation response.
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma
coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of
consciousness. However, there are still
I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I now realize
that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-)
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Peter wrote:
I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I
now realize that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-)
Well hey, look at the bright side: at least you didn't try to swallow
the absolute like Bevan.
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there
currently
is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would
be
great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is
not
bias,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there
currently
is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It
would
be
: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:37 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:38 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
The actual establishment of witness-
consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@
wrote:
with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to
fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have
learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent
are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma
coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of
consciousness. However, there are still
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---There's no known measure for one's experience of TC (Being). The
measurements are correlated with Benson's relaxation response.
Actually, no.
google. pure consciousness breath suspension for a short list of
such
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Ms. Enlightened:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there
currently
is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would
be
--- Yes indeed! Pure Consciousness, Being, whatever you want to calll
It, is associated with only the grossest of correlates that midieval
machines can come up with. No large scale studies on the subject (i.e.
Samadhi vs mere relaxation response).
If there were such studies, the individual in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Yes indeed! Pure Consciousness, Being, whatever you want to calll
It, is associated with only the grossest of correlates that midieval
machines can come up with. No large scale studies on the subject (i.e.
Samadhi
There is no psysiological correlate to Pure Consciousness and Being.
It is unmanifest. Whether we have awareness of PC (ha-ha) or Being
is not measurable, except by awareness; mindfulness and
transcendence both. It cannot be conveyed other than Being; a
synonomous reality; grace.
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There is no psysiological correlate to Pure Consciousness and Being.
It is unmanifest. Whether we have awareness of PC (ha-ha) or Being
is not measurable, except by awareness; mindfulness and
transcendence
On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:14 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
There is no psysiological correlate to Pure Consciousness and Being.
It is unmanifest. Whether we have awareness of PC (ha-ha) or Being
is not measurable, except by awareness; mindfulness and
transcendence both. It cannot be conveyed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:14 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
There is no psysiological correlate to Pure Consciousness and Being.
It is unmanifest. Whether we have awareness of PC (ha-ha) or Being
is not measurable, except by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:14 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
There is no psysiological correlate to Pure Consciousness and
Being.
It is unmanifest. Whether we have awareness of PC (ha-ha) or
Being
is not measurable, except
Only when Michael gives me some of his (Super Shiva Dank Wonder)
Ayur-Ved weed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TMers: Do You Space Out?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 6:41 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lack of fucking will make you spacey. Good fucking makes you very
centered and present. Also an occasional chicken sandwich before or
after fucking will make you grounded too.
What about bad fucking? (opps I spaced out --
Tom wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, were you talking to me?
What?
Ah, I think they were talkin about chicken
sandwiches .ya know, being grounding.
I like mustard on mine...and a little mayo.
Would you like some fries
/28/08, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:56 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Peter drpetersutphen@ ... wrote:
Lack
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
I'm sorry, were you talking to me?
What?
Ah, I think they were talkin about chicken
sandwiches .ya know, being
PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:02 PM
Tom wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Peter drpetersutphen@ ... wrote:
I'm sorry, were you
The difference between spontaneous samadhi and spacing out is
that nothing is accomplished by spacing out except escape. It is a
little like being dead. Caused by actions leading to a big dosha
imbalance.
Spontaneous samadhi (is there really unspontaneous samadhi?)is real,
grounded, effective
--(snip)
Many long-term meditating clients initially deny dissociating in
daily
life.
But after reviewing the symptoms, some tell me they've
dissociated for
years.
Are you dissociating? Is it a challenge in your life?
(snip)
What you are describing here, is the onset of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lack of fucking will make you spacey. Good fucking makes you very
centered and present. Also an occasional chicken sandwich before or
after fucking will make you grounded too.
(snip)
I heard one time, that the word- F-U-C-K,
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