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Thank you for posting this whynotnow7. Is there a significance to the number 7 btw? Having read this, I feel relieved and for some reason, less guilt-ridden. From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. So, you DID have feelings for Doritos before you gave them up? How do you feel about, say, *Lay's* potato chips, or *Cheetos*? H? Seriously, I think the thing that blows your mind about having self-realized people in your company here on FFL, is that you are used to the arm's-length specialness of a teacher, who made it abundantly clear that they had something, and you didn't. They had it, but not you. So you project this notion on the liberated souls here, because that is the only model you have experienced before this. But, we're different from the spiritual teachers of the past. First, *we are not teachers*, nor pretending to be - at least not any of the free souls who show up here on FFL. We aren't asking for anything - certainly not sex or money, or even agreement. So there is no attempt to create any kind of a boundary between us and anyone else. Just the opposite. Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Yet, when the subject of self-realization comes up, it is anyone's prerogative to say what they like about it. You certainly do - all the time. I enjoy discussing it also. But that doesn't mean you have to think I know more than you do, or are to be treated specially, or resented for my perceived status; all that teacher shit. Ravi, Rory and I are not here to do anything but express ourselves. You seem to have this *big* chip on your shoulder about anyone who dares discuss the ordinary experiences of enlightenment. And I honestly think it is due to some deep resentment you lug around regarding the way the teachers you studied with treated you. They had it, and I didn't - like a template you now carry with you, to protect yourself, so that any expression of enlightenment, of a freed soul, and you are on guard, ready for the challenge in your head and heart. But its just a dream. Self realization is real, made for normal people. No one has to be special anymore to get here. Don't even have to follow a teacher - that's an old model, and I suggest you dump it, and recognize free souls and yourself for who you are - free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-)
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The sunglasses analogy does make logical sense. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. This notion is interesting because it basically states that reality is here all the time and we are just mis-perceiving it somehow. We can ask the question 'if reality is not here all the time, where would it be?' This is the problem, thinking that reality is somehow not what we are, somehow not where we are. If being in the enlightened state is a normal state, then all you have to do is realize it. But, is this a physiological transformation or a mental transformation? If physiological, then what physical process do we employ in order to gain the realization of our own enlightenment? If mental, what thought could cause our mind to realize it's own full potential? Some would say the mantra is a thought that could cause the mind to rise to its full potential. I have nothing against this idea. It is thought that got us into the mess of illusion. The use of a mantra is a strategy for getting us out; the actual mantra may not be the critical aspect of this. Other systems without mantras also have historically worked out too. These procedures do seem to have an effect on the physiology. The transformation is very mysterious because as reality is always present, when the transformation occurs nothing could actually have happened. This intellectually defies logic, but realisation is not a matter of logic, logic is only required in the attempt to understand all this. As if a wearer of eyeglasses forgets he or she is looking through them, searches for them having forgotten they are already in front of the eyes, and then suddenly realises they were there all the time. The physiological path of realization would probably involve some physical type of yoga technique. But, a purely mental realization would require a simple 'turning about in the seat of concsciouness', by perhaps just entertaining a particular thought. But, the real question is, are we free or bound? If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? If free, there would be no need of a yoga anyway. Maybe this isn't a real question. Freedom and bondage are a pair. The realisation that there are certain aspects of life that bind us are inevitable frees us from the need to try to escape those bindings. We no longer waste energy and time at an impossible task. In a very strange sense, paths of enlightenment are an attempt to escape from what is already always going to be the case, a vain attempt to find reality elsewhere, someplace or state that is better than now. When the search finally exhausts itself is when the result comes. Either way, you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, so it may be useless to strive for it, at any rate. Striving gives a certain impetus to the process, like diving off a diving board into a pool. Once the board takes over, striving no longer has any effect on the result, but one had to do something to start the process, but how long it is going to take to completely let go is anyone's guess. So, just Be - it's that simple. I would agree, but just saying that never quite seems to work for most people. This is why we see so many systems for 'self-development' have arisen. There are many catalogues of spiritual type courses and paraphernalia floating through the world's mail systems. Chakra Massage Gem Stones with Diamond Dust Coating Self-Realisation Tablets with Life Spring Water from the Andes Inward Impaction Meditation iSelf Computer Monitor with Cashmere Dust Cover Mega-Self Expansion Exercises Retreat Devotional Metaphysics Training (with free placenta handbag) Mindfulness Garbage Disposal Awareness Seminar Taking the Woo Woo to just Woo Course taught by Mahaswami Boundary Attenuation Transformational Prayer The list goes on and on.
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In a very strange sense, paths of enlightenment are an attempt to escape from what is already always going to be the case, a vain attempt to find reality elsewhere, someplace or state that is better than now. When the search finally exhausts itself is when the result comes. Well said. Self-realization is a confounding process. Never made any sense and never will. But it works! Almost as if that recognition, acceptance and eventual surrender into paradox becomes the fruition of the path itself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. This notion is interesting because it basically states that reality is here all the time and we are just mis-perceiving it somehow. We can ask the question 'if reality is not here all the time, where would it be?' This is the problem, thinking that reality is somehow not what we are, somehow not where we are. If being in the enlightened state is a normal state, then all you have to do is realize it. But, is this a physiological transformation or a mental transformation? If physiological, then what physical process do we employ in order to gain the realization of our own enlightenment? If mental, what thought could cause our mind to realize it's own full potential? Some would say the mantra is a thought that could cause the mind to rise to its full potential. I have nothing against this idea. It is thought that got us into the mess of illusion. The use of a mantra is a strategy for getting us out; the actual mantra may not be the critical aspect of this. Other systems without mantras also have historically worked out too. These procedures do seem to have an effect on the physiology. The transformation is very mysterious because as reality is always present, when the transformation occurs nothing could actually have happened. This intellectually defies logic, but realisation is not a matter of logic, logic is only required in the attempt to understand all this. As if a wearer of eyeglasses forgets he or she is looking through them, searches for them having forgotten they are already in front of the eyes, and then suddenly realises they were there all the time. The physiological path of realization would probably involve some physical type of yoga technique. But, a purely mental realization would require a simple 'turning about in the seat of concsciouness', by perhaps just entertaining a particular thought. But, the real question is, are we free or bound? If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? If free, there would be no need of a yoga anyway. Maybe this isn't a real question. Freedom and bondage are a pair. The realisation that there are certain aspects of life that bind us are inevitable frees us from the need to try to escape those bindings. We no longer waste energy and time at an impossible task. In a very strange sense, paths of enlightenment are an attempt to escape from what is already always going to be the case, a vain attempt to find reality elsewhere, someplace or state that is better than now. When the search finally exhausts itself is when the result comes. Either way, you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, so it may be useless to strive for it, at any rate. Striving gives a certain impetus to the process, like diving off a diving board into a pool. Once the board takes over, striving no longer has any effect on the result, but one had to do something to start the process, but how long it is going to take to completely let go is anyone's guess. So, just Be - it's that simple. I would agree, but just saying that never quite seems to work for most people. This is why we see so many systems for 'self-development' have arisen. There are many catalogues of spiritual type courses and paraphernalia floating through the world's mail systems. Chakra Massage Gem Stones with Diamond Dust Coating Self-Realisation Tablets with Life Spring Water from the Andes Inward Impaction Meditation iSelf Computer Monitor with Cashmere Dust Cover Mega-Self Expansion Exercises Retreat Devotional Metaphysics Training (with free placenta handbag) Mindfulness Garbage Disposal Awareness Seminar Taking the Woo Woo to just Woo Course taught by Mahaswami Boundary Attenuation Transformational Prayer The list goes on and on.
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Hi Denise - I think they were all out of plain whynotnows when I chose my alias, so I added the seven. I am glad you appreciated my plain as the nose on your face logic. I remember talking with my wife when we first got together about direct spiritual progress vs. through an intermediary. We each recalled to the other our moment of fatal doubt as children regarding religion, in both cases, Christianity: Hers came when she heard a priest say that his role was as a go-between between people and God. Even as a child she didn't buy it. I recall while in confirmation classes for my church at the time, the priest said there are some mysteries we will never know. I was ten years old, but I remember feeling frustrated at hearing this and thinking to myself, I'm going to keep looking. Teachers are great for pointing things out to people - they oughta be, there are enough of them! But ultimately freedom means freedom from even the greatest teacher ever, to be rediscovered within. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Thank you for posting this whynotnow7. Is there a significance to the number 7 btw?  Having read this, I feel relieved and for some reason, less guilt-ridden. From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo  Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. So, you DID have feelings for Doritos before you gave them up? How do you feel about, say, *Lay's* potato chips, or *Cheetos*? H? Seriously, I think the thing that blows your mind about having self-realized people in your company here on FFL, is that you are used to the arm's-length specialness of a teacher, who made it abundantly clear that they had something, and you didn't. They had it, but not you. So you project this notion on the liberated souls here, because that is the only model you have experienced before this. But, we're different from the spiritual teachers of the past. First, *we are not teachers*, nor pretending to be - at least not any of the free souls who show up here on FFL. We aren't asking for anything - certainly not sex or money, or even agreement. So there is no attempt to create any kind of a boundary between us and anyone else. Just the opposite. Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Yet, when the subject of self-realization comes up, it is anyone's prerogative to say what they like about it. You certainly do - all the time. I enjoy discussing it also. But that doesn't mean you have to think I know more than you do, or are to be treated specially, or resented for my perceived status; all that teacher shit. Ravi, Rory and I are not here to do anything but express ourselves. You seem to have this *big* chip on your shoulder about anyone who dares discuss the ordinary experiences of enlightenment. And I honestly think it is due to some deep resentment you lug around regarding the way the teachers you studied with treated you. They had it, and I didn't - like a template you now carry with you, to protect yourself, so that any expression of enlightenment, of a freed soul, and you are on guard, ready for the challenge in your head and heart. But its just a dream. Self realization is real, made for normal people. No one has to be special anymore to get here. Don't even have to follow a teacher - that's an old model, and I suggest you dump it, and recognize free souls and yourself for who you are - free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hi Denise - I think they were all out of plain whynotnows when I chose my alias, so I added the seven. I am glad you appreciated my plain as the nose on your face logic. I remember talking with my wife when we first got together about direct spiritual progress vs. through an intermediary. We each recalled to the other our moment of fatal doubt as children regarding religion, in both cases, Christianity: Hers came when she heard a priest say that his role was as a go-between between people and God. Even as a child she didn't buy it. I recall while in confirmation classes for my church at the time, the priest said there are some mysteries we will never know. I was ten years old, but I remember feeling frustrated at hearing this and thinking to myself, I'm going to keep looking. Teachers are great for pointing things out to people - they oughta be, there are enough of them! But ultimately freedom means freedom from even the greatest teacher ever, to be rediscovered within. Beautiful and well put. But I seriously doubt that all the famous teachers are able to give a technology, whatever form that may be, pure and strong enough for the soul to free itself from the limitations and become free; to realize our birthright. I think for such a teacher to come forward is a very rare happening indeed.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods, whom he never met. 37. Masala Doritos 38. Guru Dev, whom he never met.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: The sunglasses analogy does make logical sense. Yes, but analogies always break down when you get to the end of the comparison. I need to wear reading glasses, and I was looking for them recently while wearing them, they are rather light. There was a particular surprise in discovering I was wearing them. The same thing reportedly occurs with realisation, only the surprise is more astonishing as all logic and reason has been 'transcended'. That last word in the previous sentence is in quotes because the term does not have any significance at that point. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. This notion is interesting because it basically states that reality is here all the time and we are just mis-perceiving it somehow. We can ask the question 'if reality is not here all the time, where would it be?' This is the problem, thinking that reality is somehow not what we are, somehow not where we are. If being in the enlightened state is a normal state, then all you have to do is realize it. But, is this a physiological transformation or a mental transformation? If physiological, then what physical process do we employ in order to gain the realization of our own enlightenment? If mental, what thought could cause our mind to realize it's own full potential? Some would say the mantra is a thought that could cause the mind to rise to its full potential. I have nothing against this idea. It is thought that got us into the mess of illusion. The use of a mantra is a strategy for getting us out; the actual mantra may not be the critical aspect of this. Other systems without mantras also have historically worked out too. These procedures do seem to have an effect on the physiology. The transformation is very mysterious because as reality is always present, when the transformation occurs nothing could actually have happened. This intellectually defies logic, but realisation is not a matter of logic, logic is only required in the attempt to understand all this. As if a wearer of eyeglasses forgets he or she is looking through them, searches for them having forgotten they are already in front of the eyes, and then suddenly realises they were there all the time. The physiological path of realization would probably involve some physical type of yoga technique. But, a purely mental realization would require a simple 'turning about in the seat of concsciouness', by perhaps just entertaining a particular thought. But, the real question is, are we free or bound? If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? If free, there would be no need of a yoga anyway. Maybe this isn't a real question. Freedom and bondage are a pair. The realisation that there are certain aspects of life that bind us are inevitable frees us from the need to try to escape those bindings. We no longer waste energy and time at an impossible task. In a very strange sense, paths of enlightenment are an attempt to escape from what is already always going to be the case, a vain attempt to find reality elsewhere, someplace or state that is better than now. When the search finally exhausts itself is when the result comes. Either way, you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, so it may be useless to strive for it, at any rate. Striving gives a certain impetus to the process, like diving off a diving board into a pool. Once the board takes over, striving no longer has any effect on the result, but one had to do something to start the process, but how long it is going to take to completely let go is anyone's guess. So, just Be - it's that simple. I would agree, but just saying that never quite seems to work for most people. This is why we see so many systems for 'self-development' have arisen. There are many catalogues of spiritual type courses and paraphernalia floating through the world's mail systems. Chakra Massage Gem Stones with Diamond Dust Coating Self-Realisation Tablets with Life Spring Water from the Andes Inward Impaction Meditation iSelf Computer Monitor with Cashmere Dust Cover Mega-Self Expansion Exercises Retreat
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Yes, I completely agree with you!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Denise - I think they were all out of plain whynotnows when I chose my alias, so I added the seven. I am glad you appreciated my plain as the nose on your face logic. I remember talking with my wife when we first got together about direct spiritual progress vs. through an intermediary. We each recalled to the other our moment of fatal doubt as children regarding religion, in both cases, Christianity: Hers came when she heard a priest say that his role was as a go-between between people and God. Even as a child she didn't buy it. I recall while in confirmation classes for my church at the time, the priest said there are some mysteries we will never know. I was ten years old, but I remember feeling frustrated at hearing this and thinking to myself, I'm going to keep looking. Teachers are great for pointing things out to people - they oughta be, there are enough of them! But ultimately freedom means freedom from even the greatest teacher ever, to be rediscovered within. Beautiful and well put. But I seriously doubt that all the famous teachers are able to give a technology, whatever form that may be, pure and strong enough for the soul to free itself from the limitations and become free; to realize our birthright. I think for such a teacher to come forward is a very rare happening indeed.
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Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. Denise Evans: The sunglasses analogy does make logical sense. The notion that a person is 'born enlightened' is a Vajrayana Buddhist point of view. It is explained nicely in the Buddha's Lankavatara Sutra. Vajrarayana is an absolutist philosophy similar to Shankara's Adwaita Vedanta - Brahman or Nirvana is the only reality - samsara is an illusion, maya, avidya, not real, yet not unreal. According to Shakya the Muni, every living being contains, within itself, the Bodhi nature. Adi Shankara and the Ramana Maharshi agees with this. We are all born enlightened, that is, fully awake, according to our karma. Yet, due to samkaras, that is, karmic latencies, and cultural conditioning and indoctrination, we immediately, upon opening our eyes, fall asleep as it were, under the sway of maya, in which we identify with change, and deny our absolute nature, the non-dual bliss. In short, we become materialists, and forget our spiritual nature - instead we identify with the body saying ...this is mine, this is my soul, this is my body, etc. The Chinese philosopher, Chuang Tsu (c. 369-268 B.C.) said: I once dreamt I was a butterfly. Suddenly I awakened, and there I lay like a man, myself again. Now, which am I? A man dreaming he is a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is man?
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Gotcha. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: The sunglasses analogy does make logical sense. Yes, but analogies always break down when you get to the end of the comparison. I need to wear reading glasses, and I was looking for them recently while wearing them, they are rather light. There was a particular surprise in discovering I was wearing them. The same thing reportedly occurs with realisation, only the surprise is more astonishing as all logic and reason has been 'transcended'. That last word in the previous sentence is in quotes because the term does not have any significance at that point. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. This notion is interesting because it basically states that reality is here all the time and we are just mis-perceiving it somehow. We can ask the question 'if reality is not here all the time, where would it be?' This is the problem, thinking that reality is somehow not what we are, somehow not where we are. If being in the enlightened state is a normal state, then all you have to do is realize it. But, is this a physiological transformation or a mental transformation? If physiological, then what physical process do we employ in order to gain the realization of our own enlightenment? If mental, what thought could cause our mind to realize it's own full potential? Some would say the mantra is a thought that could cause the mind to rise to its full potential. I have nothing against this idea. It is thought that got us into the mess of illusion. The use of a mantra is a strategy for getting us out; the actual mantra may not be the critical aspect of this. Other systems without mantras also have historically worked out too. These procedures do seem to have an effect on the physiology. The transformation is very mysterious because as reality is always present, when the transformation occurs nothing could actually have happened. This intellectually defies logic, but realisation is not a matter of logic, logic is only required in the attempt to understand all this. As if a wearer of eyeglasses forgets he or she is looking through them, searches for them having forgotten they are already in front of the eyes, and then suddenly realises they were there all the time. The physiological path of realization would probably involve some physical type of yoga technique. But, a purely mental realization would require a simple 'turning about in the seat of concsciouness', by perhaps just entertaining a particular thought. But, the real question is, are we free or bound? If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? If free, there would be no need of a yoga anyway. Maybe this isn't a real question. Freedom and bondage are a pair. The realisation that there are certain aspects of life that bind us are inevitable frees us from the need to try to escape those bindings. We no longer waste energy and time at an impossible task. In a very strange sense, paths of enlightenment are an attempt to escape from what is already always going to be the case, a vain attempt to find reality elsewhere, someplace or state that is better than now. When the search finally exhausts itself is when the result comes. Either way, you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, so it may be useless to strive for it, at any rate. Striving gives a certain impetus to the process, like diving off a diving board into a pool. Once the board takes over, striving no longer has any effect on the result, but one had to do something to start the process, but how long it is going to take to completely let go is anyone's guess. So, just Be - it's that simple. I would agree, but just saying that never quite seems to work for most people. This is why we see so many systems for 'self-development' have arisen. There are many catalogues of spiritual type courses and paraphernalia floating through the world's mail systems. Chakra
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He is so enveloped in his list of dislikes, I am surprised he has room to turn around in the shower!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods, whom he never met. 37. Masala Doritos 38. Guru Dev, whom he never met.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: He is so enveloped in his list of dislikes, I am surprised he has room to turn around in the shower!:-) HeHe :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods, whom he never met. 37. Masala Doritos 38. Guru Dev, whom he never met.
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LOL.. You are on a roll, keep it going !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: He is so enveloped in his list of dislikes, I am surprised he has room to turn around in the shower!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods, whom he never met. 37. Masala Doritos 38. Guru Dev, whom he never met.
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OK, What's the difference between Barry and an ape wearing shoes? Barry sometimes goes barefoot. Ta-ding! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL.. You are on a roll, keep it going !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: He is so enveloped in his list of dislikes, I am surprised he has room to turn around in the shower!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods, whom he never met. 37. Masala Doritos 38. Guru Dev, whom he never met.
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: I once dreamt I was a butterfly. Suddenly I awakened, and there I lay like a man, myself again. Now, which am I? A man dreaming he is a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is man? Actually, you're choice #3, a shit head. Acknowledge fact. Look on the printout of Citizen Sidhas and Governors of the Aged of Enlightenment. See that SH next to your name?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo
Tom, I hope I don't make you mad (ever), when I say: I think you're the most authentic voice on FFL, and if I ever find the talent to recreate your voice, even a bit---I'm outta here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDhgR3p12w From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:18:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: I once dreamt I was a butterfly. Suddenly I awakened, and there I lay like a man, myself again. Now, which am I? A man dreaming he is a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is man? Actually, you're choice #3, a shit head. Acknowledge fact. Look on the printout of Citizen Sidhas and Governors of the Aged of Enlightenment. See that SH next to your name?
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Tom, I hope I don't make you mad (ever), when I say: I think you're the most authentic voice on FFL, and if I ever find the talent to recreate your voice, even a bit---I'm outta here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDhgR3p12w I am not one of the 12 angry men. Indeed Ravi spews more hate (principally towards me) than people might think that I spew. Yes, I am authentic. But I guess so is our leftist feminazis and those who can't write less than 5,000 words to respond to a sneeze with God Bless You. BTW, it was not until long rounding on the sidhis that I found my voice, discovered my true nature (I am the direct descendent of Anastasia Nokolai and therefore the rightful heir to the Russian throne and the Czar's fortune). I'd reveal more but I'm being called for dinner. Chicken Kiev and Noodles Romanov. And of course a nice Chianti
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Tom, I hope I don't make you mad (ever), when I say: I think you're the most authentic voice on FFL, and if I ever find the talent to recreate your voice, even a bit---I'm outta here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDhgR3p12w I am not one of the 12 angry men. Indeed Ravi spews more hate (principally towards me) than people might think that I spew. Tom, you gotta be kidding me. I have always admired the refreshingly soothing and balmy innocence of your unconditional hatred. Anyway thanks for sharing your authentic specialness below. Yes, I am authentic. But I guess so is our leftist feminazis and those who can't write less than 5,000 words to respond to a sneeze with God Bless You. BTW, it was not until long rounding on the sidhis that I found my voice, discovered my true nature (I am the direct descendent of Anastasia Nokolai and therefore the rightful heir to the Russian throne and the Czar's fortune). I'd reveal more but I'm being called for dinner. Chicken Kiev and Noodles Romanov. And of course a nice Chianti
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhJHYjovA8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Tom, I hope I don't make you mad (ever), when I say: I think you're the most authentic voice on FFL, and if I ever find the talent to recreate your voice, even a bit---I'm outta here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDhgR3p12w I am not one of the 12 angry men. Indeed Ravi spews more hate (principally towards me) than people might think that I spew. Yes, I am authentic. But I guess so is our leftist feminazis and those who can't write less than 5,000 words to respond to a sneeze with God Bless You. BTW, it was not until long rounding on the sidhis that I found my voice, discovered my true nature (I am the direct descendent of Anastasia Nokolai and therefore the rightful heir to the Russian throne and the Czar's fortune). I'd reveal more but I'm being called for dinner. Chicken Kiev and Noodles Romanov. And of course a nice Chianti
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correction. I meant the youtube to go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhJHYjovA8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Tom, I hope I don't make you mad (ever), when I say: I think you're the most authentic voice on FFL, and if I ever find the talent to recreate your voice, even a bit---I'm outta here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDhgR3p12w From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:18:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: I once dreamt I was a butterfly. Suddenly I awakened, and there I lay like a man, myself again. Now, which am I? A man dreaming he is a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is man? Actually, you're choice #3, a shit head. Acknowledge fact.  Look on the printout of Citizen Sidhas and Governors of the Aged of Enlightenment. See that SH next to your name? Â
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I'm at least one of the angry men---if not all twelve. Its your authenticity that impresses. If you need any help getting your inheritance back from the Brits, let me know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVlkZVAw8Gc From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Tom, I hope I don't make you mad (ever), when I say: I think you're the most authentic voice on FFL, and if I ever find the talent to recreate your voice, even a bit---I'm outta here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDhgR3p12w I am not one of the 12 angry men. Indeed Ravi spews more hate (principally towards me) than people might think that I spew. Yes, I am authentic. But I guess so is our leftist feminazis and those who can't write less than 5,000 words to respond to a sneeze with God Bless You. BTW, it was not until long rounding on the sidhis that I found my voice, discovered my true nature (I am the direct descendent of Anastasia Nokolai and therefore the rightful heir to the Russian throne and the Czar's fortune). I'd reveal more but I'm being called for dinner. Chicken Kiev and Noodles Romanov. And of course a nice Chianti
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote: Tom Pall wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, obbajeeba no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: You mean blowing or waving out the flame on the end of the stick of incense, right? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the ember lose and burning a hole onto whereever it is flung. lol OK, how many here don't sniff the flowers because the fragrance is meant for Maharishi or Guru Dev or the Holy Tradition? How many bought a brand new handkerchief for each initiation and were very careful not to just stick the thing in their pocket to use as a snot rag afterwards? I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P Duff -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail. Duffji - Agree, I personally don't have much use for traditions but I have developed a healthy respect for it. All the rituals do have specific purpose in the path of yoga for the purification of body and mind. Or even in tantra, worship can be compared to having real sex with the beloved. A woman has to be worshiped with praises of her beauty, candles, incense, flowers, dessert/sweets/chocolate etc. Only when the beloved is happy and is then aroused can the lover have a really blissful orgasm. The same concept then is extended to worship of the divine. Ignore these assholes, they are nothing with pimps(intellectuals) so fascinated with their intellect(whore) that they don't see the value of proper sex(worship). It's rare to find real men who want to worship women and women who want to be worshiped by men. All we see is a bunch of pimps and whores and FFL is full of them - Tom, Barry, Bob, Vaj, (Dumb)azgrey - you name it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote: I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P Duff Nice. So did I, always. Thanks for posting this ! -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
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Guided by proper influence and etiquette on the method of cut and paste, one can make weary what tradition holds well to follow the format with careful use of avatars as to keep the lineage happy. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote: You mean blowing? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the burning hole onto where ever. It is flung. lol I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I account myself the woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled. there are those who consider a body sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn. while at the same time valuing it little. innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P Duff -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote: I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P, thanks for de-lurking, but if your comments were aimed at me, I think you've possibly forgotten who you're talking to. I have no reverence for the TM puja, have not performed it in decades, and almost certainly never will again in this life. It was a ritual I learned while young and foolish, and now I am old and foolish, and prefer other, more meaningful rituals, such as compulsively cleaning my DVDs before playing them (although I never blow on them afterwards, because that would be a waste of my valuable prana). In retrospect, since you seem to have brought up the reverence and awe with which I and others are supposed to view the TM puja, I can't really agree with you. It was IMO just a cobbled-together set of traditional Indian buzzwords and phrases designed to produce mood-making in the practitioner and a feeling of awe or wonder in viewers. I don't believe in the magical Woo Woo properties either of the words used in the puja, or as TM mantras. They're just words; get over it. Nor do I feel the need to appease or appeal to a set of gods I don't believe in or praise a bunch of holy guys whom I don't believe were either holy or deserve the praise. I tend to regard the puja the same way I regard most of Indian culture -- the remnants of a barbaric, superstitious nation whose scriptures tend to dwell overlong on justi- fications for war, violence, elitism, and perpetuating genocide on those who don't agree with the religious fanatics who wrote the scriptures. In short, I am neither an Indiaphile nor a TMphile. The puja is as dead to me as Maharishi is; neither has any place in my life, nor should. I wrote what I wrote because I caught myself waving at an incense stick to put out the flame, and then laughing at the still-lingering imprinting I'd picked up while in the TM movement. I thought others here might laugh, too, because they probably were similarly imprinted. Heck, I don't even burn incense much these days, except to cover the smell of an occasional kitchen accident. All of this said, I shall probably continue to wave my paw at the incense during the rare times I light some, just because it reminds me of a favorite Dogbert cartoon. Thanks for providing the oppor- tunity for a good rant; I've missed your set-ups. :-) [0]
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35. Indians. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@ wrote: I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P, thanks for de-lurking, but if your comments were aimed at me, I think you've possibly forgotten who you're talking to. I have no reverence for the TM puja, have not performed it in decades, and almost certainly never will again in this life. It was a ritual I learned while young and foolish, and now I am old and foolish, and prefer other, more meaningful rituals, such as compulsively cleaning my DVDs before playing them (although I never blow on them afterwards, because that would be a waste of my valuable prana). In retrospect, since you seem to have brought up the reverence and awe with which I and others are supposed to view the TM puja, I can't really agree with you. It was IMO just a cobbled-together set of traditional Indian buzzwords and phrases designed to produce mood-making in the practitioner and a feeling of awe or wonder in viewers. I don't believe in the magical Woo Woo properties either of the words used in the puja, or as TM mantras. They're just words; get over it. Nor do I feel the need to appease or appeal to a set of gods I don't believe in or praise a bunch of holy guys whom I don't believe were either holy or deserve the praise. I tend to regard the puja the same way I regard most of Indian culture -- the remnants of a barbaric, superstitious nation whose scriptures tend to dwell overlong on justi- fications for war, violence, elitism, and perpetuating genocide on those who don't agree with the religious fanatics who wrote the scriptures. In short, I am neither an Indiaphile nor a TMphile. The puja is as dead to me as Maharishi is; neither has any place in my life, nor should. I wrote what I wrote because I caught myself waving at an incense stick to put out the flame, and then laughing at the still-lingering imprinting I'd picked up while in the TM movement. I thought others here might laugh, too, because they probably were similarly imprinted. Heck, I don't even burn incense much these days, except to cover the smell of an occasional kitchen accident. All of this said, I shall probably continue to wave my paw at the incense during the rare times I light some, just because it reminds me of a favorite Dogbert cartoon. Thanks for providing the oppor- tunity for a good rant; I've missed your set-ups. :-) [0]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos
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Who is that? Kin to the Frito Bandito? And does his vehemence for Doritos match that of his dislike of the 36 others on this list? I doubt it, except when he is snuggled into his couch, shades drawn, engrossed in one of his video fantasies and he spills the Doritos into the lap of his well worn bathrobe...LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Who is that? Kin to the Frito Bandito? And does his vehemence for Doritos match that of his dislike of the 36 others on this list? I doubt it, except when he is snuggled into his couch, shades drawn, engrossed in one of his video fantasies and he spills the Doritos into the lap of his well worn bathrobe...LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos 38. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyrMl2RKPwI
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-) 38.1 Baby seals
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38. People who don't get their buttons pushed, although Barry insists that they do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-)
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Uh Oh, a Doritos commercial AND those pesky Indians! WARNING TO BARRY, DO NOT WATCH!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Who is that? Kin to the Frito Bandito? And does his vehemence for Doritos match that of his dislike of the 36 others on this list? I doubt it, except when he is snuggled into his couch, shades drawn, engrossed in one of his video fantasies and he spills the Doritos into the lap of his well worn bathrobe...LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos 38. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyrMl2RKPwI
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Are you saying Barry has sealed himself off from the rest of the world?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-) 38.1 Baby seals
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Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. So, you DID have feelings for Doritos before you gave them up? How do you feel about, say, *Lay's* potato chips, or *Cheetos*? H? Seriously, I think the thing that blows your mind about having self-realized people in your company here on FFL, is that you are used to the arm's-length specialness of a teacher, who made it abundantly clear that they had something, and you didn't. They had it, but not you. So you project this notion on the liberated souls here, because that is the only model you have experienced before this. But, we're different from the spiritual teachers of the past. First, *we are not teachers*, nor pretending to be - at least not any of the free souls who show up here on FFL. We aren't asking for anything - certainly not sex or money, or even agreement. So there is no attempt to create any kind of a boundary between us and anyone else. Just the opposite. Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Yet, when the subject of self-realization comes up, it is anyone's prerogative to say what they like about it. You certainly do - all the time. I enjoy discussing it also. But that doesn't mean you have to think I know more than you do, or are to be treated specially, or resented for my perceived status; all that teacher shit. Ravi, Rory and I are not here to do anything but express ourselves. You seem to have this *big* chip on your shoulder about anyone who dares discuss the ordinary experiences of enlightenment. And I honestly think it is due to some deep resentment you lug around regarding the way the teachers you studied with treated you. They had it, and I didn't - like a template you now carry with you, to protect yourself, so that any expression of enlightenment, of a freed soul, and you are on guard, ready for the challenge in your head and heart. But its just a dream. Self realization is real, made for normal people. No one has to be special anymore to get here. Don't even have to follow a teacher - that's an old model, and I suggest you dump it, and recognize free souls and yourself for who you are - free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos 38. People who don't get their buttons pushed, although Barry insists that they do 39. People who push Barry's buttons by making fun of him for fantasizing that he's pushed their buttons Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. This immediately after Barry went ballistic because he mistakenly thought P Duff's comments about the puja were aimed at him, when they were obviously in response to Tom Pall. And here he feels the need to defend himself from the despicable charge that he has vehement feelings about Doritos... What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Barry REALLY doesn't like being made fun of post after post after post (by one, not three, of the enlightened guys and a couple other people). Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? As I said yesterday: We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Good of you to admit it, Barry. That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Actually they *didn't* agree with Barry's descriptions of their behavior, any more than his posts about the series generated a veritable firestorm of overreaction and hysteria as he claimed. Now he's furious because not only was he not able to create the firestorm he'd hoped for, he's ended up as the butt of a bunch of jokes. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-) Here, let me fix that for you: Like aiming for the fish and shooting yourself in the foot instead. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) And *now* I've posted out, having pushed a few more of Barry's buttons. See you all tomorrow.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: And *now* I've posted out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsZRxkQ0EWM :-)
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whynotnow7: Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. If being in the enlightened state is a normal state, then all you have to do is realize it. But, is this a physiological transformation or a mental transformation? If physiological, then what physical process do we employ in order to gain the realization of our own enlightenment? If mental, what thought could cause our mind to realize it's own full potential? The physiological path of realization would probably involve some physical type of yoga technique. But, a purely mental realization would require a simple 'turning about in the seat of concsciouness', by perhaps just entertaining a particular thought. But, the real question is, are we free or bound? If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? If free, there would be no need of a yoga anyway. Either way, you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, so it may be useless to strive for it, at any rate. So, just Be - it's that simple.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: Of course, once the soul is free, it can go anyplace, do anything, think anything, say anything, so it is probably likely that if a liberated soul is on here, they will speak freely about anything they wish to speak about. Nothing to sell. Not above or below anyone else. Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. This notion is interesting because it basically states that reality is here all the time and we are just mis-perceiving it somehow. We can ask the question 'if reality is not here all the time, where would it be?' This is the problem, thinking that reality is somehow not what we are, somehow not where we are. If being in the enlightened state is a normal state, then all you have to do is realize it. But, is this a physiological transformation or a mental transformation? If physiological, then what physical process do we employ in order to gain the realization of our own enlightenment? If mental, what thought could cause our mind to realize it's own full potential? Some would say the mantra is a thought that could cause the mind to rise to its full potential. I have nothing against this idea. It is thought that got us into the mess of illusion. The use of a mantra is a strategy for getting us out; the actual mantra may not be the critical aspect of this. Other systems without mantras also have historically worked out too. These procedures do seem to have an effect on the physiology. The transformation is very mysterious because as reality is always present, when the transformation occurs nothing could actually have happened. This intellectually defies logic, but realisation is not a matter of logic, logic is only required in the attempt to understand all this. As if a wearer of eyeglasses forgets he or she is looking through them, searches for them having forgotten they are already in front of the eyes, and then suddenly realises they were there all the time. The physiological path of realization would probably involve some physical type of yoga technique. But, a purely mental realization would require a simple 'turning about in the seat of concsciouness', by perhaps just entertaining a particular thought. But, the real question is, are we free or bound? If bound, by what means can we free ourselves? If free, there would be no need of a yoga anyway. Maybe this isn't a real question. Freedom and bondage are a pair. The realisation that there are certain aspects of life that bind us are inevitable frees us from the need to try to escape those bindings. We no longer waste energy and time at an impossible task. In a very strange sense, paths of enlightenment are an attempt to escape from what is already always going to be the case, a vain attempt to find reality elsewhere, someplace or state that is better than now. When the search finally exhausts itself is when the result comes. Either way, you're only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, so it may be useless to strive for it, at any rate. Striving gives a certain impetus to the process, like diving off a diving board into a pool. Once the board takes over, striving no longer has any effect on the result, but one had to do something to start the process, but how long it is going to take to completely let go is anyone's guess. So, just Be - it's that simple. I would agree, but just saying that never quite seems to work for most people. This is why we see so many systems for 'self-development' have arisen. There are many catalogues of spiritual type courses and paraphernalia floating through the world's mail systems. Chakra Massage Gem Stones with Diamond Dust Coating Self-Realisation Tablets with Life Spring Water from the Andes Inward Impaction Meditation iSelf Computer Monitor with Cashmere Dust Cover Mega-Self Expansion Exercises Retreat Devotional Metaphysics Training (with free placenta handbag) Mindfulness Garbage Disposal Awareness Seminar Taking the Woo Woo to just Woo Course taught by Mahaswami Boundary Attenuation Transformational Prayer The list goes on and on.
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Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: 35. Indians. 36. Vedic Gods 37. Masala Doritos Actually, I don't have feelings for Doritos one way or another, having given them up years ago. But I am amused at how easy it is to push people's buttons, even *after* telling them that's what I'm trying to do. What's most fascinating is to watch the three enlightened guys continue to obsess on me, post after post after post. Aren't they supposed to be all line on water or something? And aren't they supposed to have developed enough creative intelligence to have figured out that the whole *point* of my A Tale Of Four 'Enlightened' People post was TO push their buttons and get them to obsess? That and get to Judy to post out early, of course, calling the same descriptions of their behavior that they agreed with lies. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :-) RESPONSE: What a horrible person you are, Barry Wright. I hate you. And yes, I admit you push my buttons. What do you expect? You insult me, you humiliate me, you disrespect me. God, would you please, for Christ's sake stop this. For f**k sake, show some mercy. I may just go out and kill myself if this keeps up. No, really, Barry; it is all getting too much. This fierce battle we are having out in the open field, you doing your best to run me through, me trying in a temper tantrum to scream so loud you will stop up your ears, sheathe your glistening sword, and walk off the battlefield. The victor. I confess to having been beaten badly, Barry. I just want to know: How do you do it? how do you read so woundingly and accurately the weak points of a person, and then expose this for the whole world to see? If I have said anything in criticism of you before this (and I think I may have), I take it all back now. What you say in this post leaves nothing for me to say. When I read this it is as if a whole symphony of sadness and despair comes over mebut, you see, it is beautiful in its tragic completenessand elegiac musicality. Barry: you are a beautiful man. And what I admire most about you, is the bravery and fearlessness with which you take on your enemies, never giving them any quarter, searching, pursuing, hounding them until they reveal their pettiness, their vanity, their cowardice. It must be a sensation close to immortality, this heroic, reckless sacrifice of yourself. Only the good angels could be more compassionate in their severity than you are, Barry. And you will never know what good you have done me. I was never enlightened. No one believed in my enlightenment. I *am* an incorrigible narcissist [a few readers to themselves: Well, I think your irony fails there, Robin]. I do seek recognition that so far I have failed to elicit from the readers and posters at FFL. And I do feel jealous of your integrity and obviously, in the Leonard Cohen sense, your being in a state of grace. Pray for me, Barry. For I confess to you I am vanquished. And Oh, what a marvellous feeling to be broken like Christ on this cross. When Judy resumes posting, I am going to fight with her on your behalf. Because she is always wrong about you. As is everyone else who would deprive you of the moral and spiritual standing you merit in your heroic response to your persecutors (oh, how mistaken they are, I realize now, Barry). Just love coming at you, Barry. If everyone knew just how good it feels to admit defeat and genuflect before one's true conqueror. You are that person, Barry, You are that victor. And may the good God who made us take you to your eternal reward.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Persistence Of Woo Woo In tantra one is supposed to face east when meditating and bad to face south unless you are performing a siddhi such as Uchattan or Maran where it is appropriate. Which way to face was not a part of TM unless it was added after my time. At Poland Spring, MMY said to face East in the morning and North in the evening. People still do that to this day. (I do.) I was told the same courses as mentioned above. Although,I sit facing North, because, I do. : ) I sit facing forward because that seems to be the easiest and most natural way to do it. Otherwise neck problems. I recall the East and North instructions. But I also remember Neil Patterson being asked this question and he said it did not matter, though the East and North were already being given to Purusha. In the absence of a gravitational field or being on Earth, what direction would one face? If there were a meditator on the International Space Station what orientation should they have? Earth-bound spiritual types never seem to consider questions like this.
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I'm sorry, Barry, my comment was in no way intended to be directed toward you, although I can certainly see how you might have felt that way. There are just *so* many posts and the press of time being upon me turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote: I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P, thanks for de-lurking, but if your comments were aimed at me, I think you've possibly forgotten who you're talking to. I have no reverence for the TM puja, have not performed it in decades, and almost certainly never will again in this life. It was a ritual I learned while young and foolish, and now I am old and foolish, and prefer other, more meaningful rituals, such as compulsively cleaning my DVDs before playing them (although I never blow on them afterwards, because that would be a waste of my valuable prana). In retrospect, since you seem to have brought up the reverence and awe with which I and others are supposed to view the TM puja, I can't really agree with you. It was IMO just a cobbled-together set of traditional Indian buzzwords and phrases designed to produce mood-making in the practitioner and a feeling of awe or wonder in viewers. I don't believe in the magical Woo Woo properties either of the words used in the puja, or as TM mantras. They're just words; get over it. Nor do I feel the need to appease or appeal to a set of gods I don't believe in or praise a bunch of holy guys whom I don't believe were either holy or deserve the praise. I tend to regard the puja the same way I regard most of Indian culture -- the remnants of a barbaric, superstitious nation whose scriptures tend to dwell overlong on justi- fications for war, violence, elitism, and perpetuating genocide on those who don't agree with the religious fanatics who wrote the scriptures. In short, I am neither an Indiaphile nor a TMphile. The puja is as dead to me as Maharishi is; neither has any place in my life, nor should. I wrote what I wrote because I caught myself waving at an incense stick to put out the flame, and then laughing at the still-lingering imprinting I'd picked up while in the TM movement. I thought others here might laugh, too, because they probably were similarly imprinted. Heck, I don't even burn incense much these days, except to cover the smell of an occasional kitchen accident. All of this said, I shall probably continue to wave my paw at the incense during the rare times I light some, just because it reminds me of a favorite Dogbert cartoon. Thanks for providing the oppor- tunity for a good rant; I've missed your set-ups. :-) I'm sorry, Barry, my comment was in no way intended to be directed toward you, although I can certainly see how you might have felt that way. Nor was it directed toward Tom Pall. He did the set-up and I piped up a bit. Part of my problem is that there are just *so* many posts and w/ the press of time being upon me I can read but the tiniest amount so context will likely be lacking. I like reading your and Tom's posts as time allows, but it's decidely hit-or-miss, w/ miss usually carrying the day. I in no way meant to suggest that you or anybody else should show reverence toward puja. In fact I do not myself show reverence for it; I merely show respect for it no matter the ignoble heritage it may have. I'm happy w/ where I am and give thanks as would seem appropriate in that context. Others do as they like w/ no animus from me. Being an initiator is not synonymous w/ being a self-aggrandizing asshole. Not always, anyway. My only point, poorly made it would seem, was that one cannot properly have it both ways; to think TM great and think it foolish all at once. I'm happy, as always, to have provided you w/ a set-up. P Duff --- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
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Also, there is the notion that everyone is already 'enlightened' from birth, but many are not 'realized'. Xenophaneros Anartaxius: This notion is interesting because it basically states that reality is here all the time and we are just mis-perceiving it somehow... So, I'm thinking that 'enlightenment' doesn't mean the bringing of two things together and making them one thing - the practice and the goal. What's to be realized is the *inseparability* of Being and action. Enlightenment is not something you do, or think about, or attain, like an object of cognition pursued by grasping. Inseparability means having never been separate from the beginning. According to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Being is Light - it needs no other light to illuminate it. The realization of Being means that nothing has ever been anything other than perfectly unified. So as practitioners of the TM, what is basic and fundamental is to realize the unity or inseparability of practice AND realization. A meditation that is transcendental IS enlightenment. 'The View of Dzogchen' 9. Inseparability by Lopon Tenzin Namdak http://tinyurl.com/3c84k9v
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On 10/13/2011 12:18 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeebano_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archerrick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Persistence Of Woo Woo In tantra one is supposed to face east when meditating and bad to face south unless you are performing a siddhi such as Uchattan or Maran where it is appropriate. Which way to face was not a part of TM unless it was added after my time. At Poland Spring, MMY said to face East in the morning and North in the evening. People still do that to this day. (I do.) I was told the same courses as mentioned above. Although,I sit facing North, because, I do. : ) I sit facing forward because that seems to be the easiest and most natural way to do it. Otherwise neck problems. I recall the East and North instructions. But I also remember Neil Patterson being asked this question and he said it did not matter, though the East and North were already being given to Purusha. In the absence of a gravitational field or being on Earth, what direction would one face? If there were a meditator on the International Space Station what orientation should they have? Earth-bound spiritual types never seem to consider questions like this. The lore is that the sun rises in the east so it is somewhat like Vastu in that you are bringing in positive energy. North is thought to be good for wealth. West is thought of as okay but not as good as east or north and south except for special things is to be avoided. Much of this is probably trial and error over many, many centuries and yogis just found that east was the most productive. In space it would probably need to be another cycle of trial and error. ;-)
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Xenophaneros Anartaxius: I sit facing forward because that seems to be the easiest and most natural way to do it... The most important point is to never sit with your back facing a door! Always sit in the corner facing the door - never let a spirit sneak up behind you. It's just common geomancy. To this fellow's way of thinking, the very first use of human geomancy, 50,000 BCE, in relation to human dwelling, was the controlled use of fire sticks. Contrary to popular opinion, it is quite possible that ancient man invented human geomancy through the ritual use and placement of flame in his dwelling - the hearth. Apparently, the first use of fire by man was NOT for warmth, nor for cooking food, but instead, fire was placed in the 'hearth' as a fetish or symbolic geomantic gadget to be meditated upon via herbal tonics and various mental energetics, in which the Pan Man sought to impress the Old Hag. Since Barry doesn't have a Hag, old or otherwise, we can only assume that playing with fire sticks is a personal fetish on his part. Go figure.
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In the absence of a gravitational field or being on Earth, what direction would one face? Bhairitu: The lore is that the sun rises in the east so it is somewhat like Vastu... Vastu is placement, quimancy, and commodity management. Vastu-vidya, the ancient art and science of edifice architecture, like Yoga and Ayerveda, originated within the Vedic culture of India. Vastu can be an important ally in a wired new world. Vastu teaches alignment, placement, and the relationship of physical space in relation to man and nature. How we set up the interior of our shelters has a dramatic impact on our way of living. An essential part of any vastu living home is a 'zone of tranquility'. According to Kathleen Cox, in the Hindu home the zone of tranquility would be the puja room or prayer room. Thus a zone of tranquility is a place where one can quiet down and let the body/mind relax; a place where one can forget about stress and anxiety. This is a space where human-made problems are left behind. The zone of tranquility, which should not be confused with the Brahmansthana, can be its own room or a part of a room. Your zone of tranquility should be a place where you can shut the door and meditate. Inside the zone of tranquility, there should be a balance between wind and water. The science of Fengshui in its earliest recorded context specifically refers to the School of Forms. Terrestrial features serve to block the wind, which captures qi and scatters it, and channel the waters, which collect qi and store it. Fengshui may literally indicate wind and water, but this is merely shorthand for an environmental policy of hindering the wind and hoarding the waters. The science of Fengshui, therefore is windbreak-watercourse qimancy. The art of Kanyu, on the other hand, the precursor of the Compass School, relies strictly on astrology and numerology as a means of fathoming qi on a cosmic scale. While Fengshui is local, kanyu is universal. Since the medieval period in China, masters of qimancy were versed in the environmental science as well as the occult art. Therefore, I have coined the term 'Yaqui Qimancy', which applies to both Vastu and Fengshui. Titles of interest: 'Vastu Living' Creating a home for the soul by applying the ancient wisdom of the Vedas to achieve harmony and bring the Divine into every dimension of your environment. by Kathleen Cox Marlow Company, 2000 'Vastu' Transcendental Home Design in Harmony with Nature by Sherri Silverman Gibbs Smith, 2007
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Tom Pall wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:02 PM, P Duff pd...@microcephalic-endeavors.comwrote: Tom Pall wrote: P Duff of the lesser Boston area? The for a time a contributor to alt.meditation.transcendental? You're alive and kicking? Wonderful? How's life been? You been part of this group all along and I just noticed you or you just revealed yourself? I wasn't an initiator, I was just pussy whipped by a bunch of them so I didn't get involved in dumping what was left over from the Puja off the Tallahatchie River bridge. BTW, I took a special detour on my way to Queen City from Austin to visit that very bridge. Nothing to write home about. Glad to see ya back, boy! Lessee... I'm still of lesser Bahston, and still alive and doing well. I recently married a woman truly deserving of worship and that's 'zactly what I do, loving every moment of my life w/ her. My daughter has grown into a full-blown matriculator in a NJ college, where she's majoring in indolence. Not much else going on I can think of offhand. I had joined FFL, oh, a couple months ago I guess, but have had little to say. I saw your post and the widow's mite in me caused me to contribute. (BTW, my reply to your post was not directed toward you, although it might have seemed that way. ) I had, as you pointed out, posted a bit in a.m.t. a few years ago but I had since fallen off the wagon. I miss those days. It was a good day when Andrew Skolnick would delve deeply into his innermost landspoil and therefrom thrust up craven images for the other naysayers to worship, and that's when the good times began to roll. Gawd, there's little better than free home delivery of Whack-a-Mole. But that was then and this is now, Harlem not being Harlem no mo'. FFL is a place different by far from what I had known. There are so many posts daily and most of the folks are erudite far beyond my ken. Then there are those who are so full of shit their eyes are brown. But I don't even have the time it takes to ignore them. Their posts pass by unnoticed, not unlike effluent from a sewage treatment plant. Re: pussy whipped, it's an intriguing notion and I shall make polite inquiry of my loving and adventuresome wife, who will likely... oh, wait, you probably meant something different from that. Sorrysorrysorry. In the more conventional sense of pussy whipped it is worth pointing out that there are not so much victims as there are volunteers. You might think that a pussy whipping would happen at the hands of your betters. But in reality it's more likely to be at the hands of those who can only think themselves your betters. Those few who are truly your betters will have more productive ways in which to use their time, pussy whipping generally being stock-in-trade for the insecure. Require folks to prove themselves to be honestly superior, which, in your case presents a forlorn prospect, and your whippings will go down as their chagrin goes up. I'm telling you, calling people on their shit w/ the delicacy of an alligator biting into a Hollywood bed is the best thing since Netflix. P Duff -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
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Tom Pall wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: You mean blowing or waving out the flame on the end of the stick of incense, right? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the ember lose and burning a hole onto whereever it is flung. lol OK, how many here don't sniff the flowers because the fragrance is meant for Maharishi or Guru Dev or the Holy Tradition? How many bought a brand new handkerchief for each initiation and were very careful not to just stick the thing in their pocket to use as a snot rag afterwards? I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P Duff -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:02 PM, P Duff pd...@microcephalic-endeavors.comwrote: Tom Pall wrote: P Duff of the lesser Boston area? The for a time a contributor to alt.meditation.transcendental? You're alive and kicking? Wonderful? How's life been? You been part of this group all along and I just noticed you or you just revealed yourself? I wasn't an initiator, I was just pussy whipped by a bunch of them so I didn't get involved in dumping what was left over from the Puja off the Tallahatchie River bridge. BTW, I took a special detour on my way to Queen City from Austin to visit that very bridge. Nothing to write home about. Glad to see ya back, boy!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just as a question, how many of you out there in the FFL audience still, to this day, light a stick of incense and then, to blow it out, either wave the stick in the air or wave your hand over it, to create a breeze that blows out the flame? I caught myself doing this tonight. Immediately thereafter, I caught myself thinking, WHY the fuck am I doing this? Does it really MATTER whether I blow this stick of incense out by waving my paw at it, Dogbert-like, or whether I blow it out with my human -- and thus so-much- lower-than-incense-deserves -- breath? I was unable to come up with a satisfactory answer. So I pass it along to you in the FFL 'verse: DOES it make any difference at all whether we blow out a stick of incense by waving at it with our hands or blowing it out with our own breath? LOL. If one attempts to blow out incense, it usually makes it burn faster. Duh. : ) Rephrase your questions hahahahaa. I don't actually expect anyone to answer, but I do suggest that the answers might have been interesting if anyone were interested in questioning the things we never question...
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You mean blowing or waving out the flame on the end of the stick of incense, right? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the ember lose and burning a hole onto whereever it is flung. lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just as a question, how many of you out there in the FFL audience still, to this day, light a stick of incense and then, to blow it out, either wave the stick in the air or wave your hand over it, to create a breeze that blows out the flame? I caught myself doing this tonight. Immediately thereafter, I caught myself thinking, WHY the fuck am I doing this? Does it really MATTER whether I blow this stick of incense out by waving my paw at it, Dogbert-like, or whether I blow it out with my human -- and thus so-much- lower-than-incense-deserves -- breath? I was unable to come up with a satisfactory answer. So I pass it along to you in the FFL 'verse: DOES it make any difference at all whether we blow out a stick of incense by waving at it with our hands or blowing it out with our own breath? I don't actually expect anyone to answer, but I do suggest that the answers might have been interesting if anyone were interested in questioning the things we never question...
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Closer to home, if a doobie lights up you need to blow it out or you risk ejecting the contents by shaking it and igniting the feathers in the chick's hair next to you. Turns out that burning off one side of a chick wearing the hemp vest's hair is a deal killer for hooking up that night even if you point out that now she is so hideous that she is lucky that you are even hitting on her. Chicks are so inscrutable. Just as a question, how many of you out there in the FFL audience still, to this day, light a stick of incense and then, to blow it out, either wave the stick in the air or wave your hand over it, to create a breeze that blows out the flame? I caught myself doing this tonight. Immediately thereafter, I caught myself thinking, WHY the fuck am I doing this? Does it really MATTER whether I blow this stick of incense out by waving my paw at it, Dogbert-like, or whether I blow it out with my human -- and thus so-much- lower-than-incense-deserves -- breath? I was unable to come up with a satisfactory answer. So I pass it along to you in the FFL 'verse: DOES it make any difference at all whether we blow out a stick of incense by waving at it with our hands or blowing it out with our own breath? I don't actually expect anyone to answer, but I do suggest that the answers might have been interesting if anyone were interested in questioning the things we never question...
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I caught myself doing this tonight. Don't be playing around with fire in a downtown upstairs apartment building? obbajeeba: LOL. If one attempts to blow out incense, it usually makes it burn faster. .. Everyone knows that the mundane joss sticks found in most Indian grocery stores is pure punk, not worth a penny. The very best commercial incense can be obtained from the Vedanta Book Store in Hollywood: Pure Red Sandalwood Indian Temple Incense at $2.95 for 25 grams. Vedanta Press Catalog 1946 Vedanta Pl. Hollywood, Ca 90068 http://www.vedanta.com/ http://www.vedanta.com/ Also recommended: Prasad Incense, Ylang-Ylang - the best selling line of premium hand rolled incense from India used by most TMers in Fairfield, IA. Available from: Prasad Gifts, Inc. 502 South 4th Street Fairfield, IA 52556 http://www.prasadgifts.com/ http://www.prasadgifts.com/ http://www.prasadgifts.com/
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: You mean blowing or waving out the flame on the end of the stick of incense, right? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the ember lose and burning a hole onto whereever it is flung. lol OK, how many here don't sniff the flowers because the fragrance is meant for Maharishi or Guru Dev or the Holy Tradition? How many bought a brand new handkerchief for each initiation and were very careful not to just stick the thing in their pocket to use as a snot rag afterwards?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: You mean blowing or waving out the flame on the end of the stick of incense, right? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the ember lose and burning a hole onto whereever it is flung. lol OK, how many here don't sniff the flowers because the fragrance is meant for Maharishi or Guru Dev or the Holy Tradition? How many bought a brand new handkerchief for each initiation and were very careful not to just stick the thing in their pocket to use as a snot rag afterwards? LOL. Don't sniff the flowers hahaha
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Dude, nobody in Cali smokes doobies anymore...everyone is vaporizing. That is to say, they vape. Just in case anyone doesn't know... A vaporizer heats the contents to a specific temperature that allows you to determine (by temperature) which aspects of the contents you would like to imbibe. FYI, the heater on a vaporizer is more than hot enough to ignite feathers. No smoke is emitted- after all smokers are considered evil here and are properly sneered at with long condescending faces. There are three stores within walking distance of my home in San Jose that sell the devices and/or the medicine. One location has a medicine sharing room to help the underprivileged. There is a lounge downtown where you are allowed to bring your own medicine. It is basically like a very well appointed bar filled with young, extremely beautiful ladies whose job it is to up-sell you overly-priced munchies after the medicine kicks in. One dispensary is appropriately located next to my favorite Starbucks. Other than seeing one elderly person in a walker, most of the clients appear to be in their early to mid twentiesI didn't know our youth were so ill. Here's a link to a video of the lounge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgoewwiaWqo P.S. The city just voted to reduce the number of dispensaries to 10. The Fed are also coming up with creative ways to hassle the landlords and are issuing threats of jail time..to the building owners..not the dispensary operators. -- Closer to home, if a doobie lights up you need to blow it out or you risk ejecting the contents by shaking it and igniting the feathers in the chick's hair next to you. Turns out that burning off one side of a chick wearing the hemp vest's hair is a deal killer for hooking up that night even if you point out that now she is so hideous that she is lucky that you are even hitting on her. Chicks are so inscrutable.
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Dude, nobody in Cali smokes doobies anymore...everyone is vaporizing. That is to say, they vape. You nailed it. I was just blowing smoke for comedic effect. Just in case anyone doesn't know... A vaporizer heats the contents to a specific temperature that allows you to determine (by temperature) which aspects of the contents you would like to imbibe. FYI, the heater on a vaporizer is more than hot enough to ignite feathers. No smoke is emitted- after all smokers are considered evil here and are properly sneered at with long condescending faces. There are three stores within walking distance of my home in San Jose that sell the devices and/or the medicine. One location has a medicine sharing room to help the underprivileged. There is a lounge downtown where you are allowed to bring your own medicine. It is basically like a very well appointed bar filled with young, extremely beautiful ladies whose job it is to up-sell you overly-priced munchies after the medicine kicks in. One dispensary is appropriately located next to my favorite Starbucks. Other than seeing one elderly person in a walker, most of the clients appear to be in their early to mid twentiesI didn't know our youth were so ill. Here's a link to a video of the lounge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgoewwiaWqo P.S. The city just voted to reduce the number of dispensaries to 10. The Fed are also coming up with creative ways to hassle the landlords and are issuing threats of jail time..to the building owners..not the dispensary operators. -- Closer to home, if a doobie lights up you need to blow it out or you risk ejecting the contents by shaking it and igniting the feathers in the chick's hair next to you. Turns out that burning off one side of a chick wearing the hemp vest's hair is a deal killer for hooking up that night even if you point out that now she is so hideous that she is lucky that you are even hitting on her. Chicks are so inscrutable.
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On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:39 PM, martyboi wrote: Dude, nobody in Cali smokes doobies anymore...everyone is vaporizing. That is to say, they vape. Just in case anyone doesn't know... A vaporizer heats the contents to a specific temperature that allows you to determine (by temperature) which aspects of the contents you would like to imbibe. FYI, the heater on a vaporizer is more than hot enough to ignite feathers. Vaporizers are considered medical equipment in some European countries and thus are paid for by insurance. I suspect eventually we'll see the same thing here, as medical usage does not typically recommend smoking anything.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Dude, nobody in Cali smokes doobies anymore...everyone is vaporizing. That is to say, they vape. Just in case anyone doesn't know... A vaporizer heats the contents to a specific temperature that allows you to determine (by temperature) which aspects of the contents you would like to imbibe. FYI, the heater on a vaporizer is more than hot enough to ignite feathers. No smoke is emitted- after all smokers are considered evil here and are properly sneered at with long condescending faces. There are three stores within walking distance of my home in San Jose that sell the devices and/or the medicine. One location has a medicine sharing room to help the underprivileged. There is a lounge downtown where you are allowed to bring your own medicine. It is basically like a very well appointed bar filled with young, extremely beautiful ladies whose job it is to up-sell you overly-priced munchies after the medicine kicks in. This is something to be treasured, and appreciated, even if you don't imbibe. Me, I haven't really indulged in the devil weed since my first visits to Amsterdam years ago, but the main reason is that the Dutch, bowing to pressure from within and outside the country, have destroyed the concept of pleasant places to smoke a little weed and have fun conversations with intelligent people. Most coffeehouses in the Netherlands these days are little more than a walk-up counter at which to buy a gram or so and take it back to your home and smoke it there. The few shops that still allow smoking it on the premises are full of -- sorry, but it's true -- dumbass dumbasses who wouldn't recognize a good conversation if it snuck up and bit them *on* their dumb asses. Where's the fun in that? Lately the Dutch have gotten even more uptight in their desire to make the legal marijuana thing seem to be not as present as it really is. They have in recent months tried to pass legislation is some towns that prevents foreigners from going into coffeehouses (requiring the vendors to look at people's passports). The latest is even more insane, and a huge uproar and backlash is being felt against the neo- conservatives who passed the legislation. They ruled that strong marijuana (over 15% THC) should be classed as a hard drug, like heroin or cocaine, and thus should not be allowed to be sold any more. The people who did this did not even notice that the government-approved medical marijuana is over that THC count, and that they had just disenfranchised thousands of people who really DO use it to help them get over the nausea associated with their chemotherapy, and treat other illnesses. One hopes that this is just a passing conservative fad here. After decades of having one of the most progressive drug policies on the planet, even though it doesn't affect me personally I'd hate to see it all flushed down the toilet because of a few uptight wannabee Inquisitors. One dispensary is appropriately located next to my favorite Starbucks. Other than seeing one elderly person in a walker, most of the clients appear to be in their early to mid twentiesI didn't know our youth were so ill. Here's a link to a video of the lounge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgoewwiaWqo P.S. The city just voted to reduce the number of dispensaries to 10. The Fed are also coming up with creative ways to hassle the landlords and are issuing threats of jail time..to the building owners..not the dispensary operators. -- Closer to home, if a doobie lights up you need to blow it out or you risk ejecting the contents by shaking it and igniting the feathers in the chick's hair next to you. Turns out that burning off one side of a chick wearing the hemp vest's hair is a deal killer for hooking up that night even if you point out that now she is so hideous that she is lucky that you are even hitting on her. Chicks are so inscrutable.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb, who said: Just as a question, how many of you out there in the FFL audience still, to this day, light a stick of incense and then, to blow it out, either wave the stick in the air or wave your hand over it, to create a breeze that blows out the flame? I caught myself doing this tonight. Immediately thereafter, I caught myself thinking, WHY the fuck am I doing this? Does it really MATTER whether I blow this stick of incense out by waving my paw at it, Dogbert-like, or whether I blow it out with my human -- and thus so-much- lower-than-incense-deserves -- breath? I was unable to come up with a satisfactory answer. So I pass it along to you in the FFL 'verse: DOES it make any difference at all whether we blow out a stick of incense by waving at it with our hands or blowing it out with our own breath? I don't actually expect anyone to answer, but I do suggest that the answers might have been interesting if anyone were interested in questioning the things we never question... You don't want to offend Agni, do you? See, now *that* is an example of the insider humor that allows you to detect whether someone has either Been There Done That with the TM movement or not. :-) Thanks to those who've chimed in. I really find this a fascinating topic. How many of you, like me, never even *noticed* that you still blow out the flame on an incense stick by waving it or waving your paw at it? Until I mentioned it, that is. It's not that I have anything against waving my paw at the incense stick; I may in fact continue doing it. But I *caught myself* doing it, and then laughed at that, and at myself for still doing it mindlessly for all these years, out of habit. My bet is that most on this forum picked up this habit or meme or belief during their time in the TMO. But I'd bet that almost no one can remember where exactly they heard it or who told it to them. I certainly cannot. It was -- like all successful memes -- just an integral part of the subculture. No one even *questioned* the proper way of blowing out the flame on a stick of incense. It was a given that there *was* a proper -- and a frowned- upon, improper -- way of doing it. And we bought it. Looking back on it, isn't that really funny? Weren't we such total dweebs? :-)
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Dude, nobody in Cali smokes doobies anymore... everyone is vaporizing... turquoiseb: Me, I haven't really indulged in the devil weed since my first visits to Amsterdam years ago... So, why then are you burning the punk?
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right, most of existence is mythological, underground in the realm of Pluto; and defies logic. What we know are only minute islands in a vast sea of less-than-fully-known possibilities. It appears that the Self can be known Absolutely as Itself, but not objectively; but I'm not certain of that... http://www.startlingart.com/Exhibits/exhibit_li.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb, who said: Just as a question, how many of you out there in the FFL audience still, to this day, light a stick of incense and then, to blow it out, either wave the stick in the air or wave your hand over it, to create a breeze that blows out the flame? I caught myself doing this tonight. Immediately thereafter, I caught myself thinking, WHY the fuck am I doing this? Does it really MATTER whether I blow this stick of incense out by waving my paw at it, Dogbert-like, or whether I blow it out with my human -- and thus so-much- lower-than-incense-deserves -- breath? I was unable to come up with a satisfactory answer. So I pass it along to you in the FFL 'verse: DOES it make any difference at all whether we blow out a stick of incense by waving at it with our hands or blowing it out with our own breath? I don't actually expect anyone to answer, but I do suggest that the answers might have been interesting if anyone were interested in questioning the things we never question... You don't want to offend Agni, do you? See, now *that* is an example of the insider humor that allows you to detect whether someone has either Been There Done That with the TM movement or not. :-) Thanks to those who've chimed in. I really find this a fascinating topic. How many of you, like me, never even *noticed* that you still blow out the flame on an incense stick by waving it or waving your paw at it? Until I mentioned it, that is. It's not that I have anything against waving my paw at the incense stick; I may in fact continue doing it. But I *caught myself* doing it, and then laughed at that, and at myself for still doing it mindlessly for all these years, out of habit. My bet is that most on this forum picked up this habit or meme or belief during their time in the TMO. But I'd bet that almost no one can remember where exactly they heard it or who told it to them. I certainly cannot. It was -- like all successful memes -- just an integral part of the subculture. No one even *questioned* the proper way of blowing out the flame on a stick of incense. It was a given that there *was* a proper -- and a frowned- upon, improper -- way of doing it. And we bought it. Looking back on it, isn't that really funny? Weren't we such total dweebs? :-)
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turquoiseb: My bet is that most on this forum picked up this habit or meme or belief during their time in the TMO. But I'd bet that almost no one can remember where exactly they heard it or who told it to them... How much would you be willing to wager? Looking back on it, isn't that really funny? Weren't we such total dweebs? :-) Only a 'dweeb' would be caught burning a stick of punk instead of burning pure camphor! LoL! Now why would an athiest be wanting to burn any incense when they don't even smoke weed? To cover the dog smell? Go figure.
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In the movement, they still do that, not only with incense sticks but with birthday cakes. As people age, and candles increase, it's beginning to involve a lot of hand waving.
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On Oct 10, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: In the movement, they still do that, not only with incense sticks but with birthday cakes. As people age, and candles increase, it’s beginning to involve a lot of hand waving. Now that I'd love to see!! Does the birthday- person do it all him or herself, or do they usually enlist helpers? I'm loving this image of all these aging old farts waving their hands around mindlessly in front of an innocent birthday cake so they don't lose any of their prana or upset Agni. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPWYOuavp3o --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: In the movement, they still do that, not only with incense sticks but with birthday cakes. As people age, and candles increase, it's beginning to involve a lot of hand waving.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 10, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: In the movement, they still do that, not only with incense sticks but with birthday cakes. As people age, and candles increase, it's beginning to involve a lot of hand waving. Now that I'd love to see!! Does the birthday- person do it all him or herself, or do they usually enlist helpers? I'm loving this image of all these aging old farts waving their hands around mindlessly in front of an innocent birthday cake so they don't lose any of their prana or upset Agni. The two of you just made me snort chocolate milk out my nose laughing. :-) And yes, chocolate milk. Guess I'm an aging old fart myself. :-)
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Rick Archer: In the movement, they still do that, not only with incense sticks but with birthday cakes. As people age, and candles increase, it's beginning to involve a lot of hand waving. They are now using parafin candles in the initiation puja? Go figure.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Persistence Of Woo Woo In tantra one is supposed to face east when meditating and bad to face south unless you are performing a siddhi such as Uchattan or Maran where it is appropriate. Which way to face was not a part of TM unless it was added after my time. At Poland Spring, MMY said to face East in the morning and North in the evening. People still do that to this day. (I do.) I was told the same courses as mentioned above. Although,I sit facing North, because, I do. : )
