--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks, Jim, this is most interesting! I had just finished reading
in Swami Vishnu Devananda's Meditation and Mantras (which also
includes a nice translation of Patanjali's YS) that each of the
paths had its specific
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Rory- Thanks for this- it is always helpful to get some
independent validation of one's experiences and I appreciate you
sharing this. I had written what I did regarding a bhakti-ish path
also because I
Another form of addiciton that lends itself to
this interpretation is the anti-cult cult. In my
experience, *most* of the leaders of this anti-
movement movement, when they tell their personal
stories, come to a pivotal moment for them that
goes something like this: In meditation I got
to a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another form of addiciton that lends itself to
this interpretation is the anti-cult cult. In my
experience, *most* of the leaders of this anti-
movement movement, when they tell their personal
stories, come
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another form of addiciton that lends itself to
this interpretation is the anti-cult cult. In my
experience, *most* of the leaders of this anti-
movement movement, when they tell their personal
stories, come
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
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For that matter, could *all* forms of addiction
be a way to preserve the illusion of self, and
keep selflessness at bay? snip
I'd agree with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think in some senses it's actually the
reverse.
The addiction aspect is secondary; what's
important is the self-medication aspect,
whether with substances or with a particular
type of activity. One may or may not
Christians, warning against what they called
empty-mind meditation on the grounds that an
empty mind attracted evil forces to possess
the meditator.
I have always hoped this was true. I thought it might improve my
guitar playing of Robert Johnson!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Pleased to hear it. I'm only filling you in on a period
of time in which the anti-cult movement wasn't quite
the way you portray it now.
My understanding of how the first deprogrammers operated matches
your description. They operated in an abusive way to break down the
person. Creepy, and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Another form of addiciton that lends itself to
this interpretation is the anti-cult cult. In my
experience, *most* of the leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@
wrote:
snipmore and more sobriety which
paradoxically
also includes the identification with the particle's utter abandon
and intoxicated devotional surrender to the Whole. I have been
finding this whole-hearted surrender is
Thanks, Jim, this is most interesting! I had just finished reading
in Swami Vishnu Devananda's Meditation and Mantras (which also
includes a nice translation of Patanjali's YS) that each of the
paths had its specific strengths and weaknesses. If I remember
correctly he said the bhaktas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
the unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
that... Sort of a continuous looking away.
Brilliant(IMHO)!! The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
the unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
the unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
the unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
--- In
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TorquiseB writes: Snipped
When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the
part of you that *already* has access to these different
states of mind *recognizes* them in the teacher's aura.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For that matter, could *all* forms of addiction
be a way to preserve the illusion of self, and
keep selflessness at bay? snip
I'd agree with this. The Dark Night's hell appears to be the pain
of the withdrawal from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
TorquiseB writes: Snipped
When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the
part of you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
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For that matter, could *all* forms of addiction
be a way to preserve the illusion of self, and
keep selflessness at bay? snip
I'd agree with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Its an equally delightfully odd phenomenon that even as we
recognize
that the OneMind of the Teacher is literally our own mind, we feel
compelled to overwhelmingly surrender to a Maharishi Mahesh Yogi or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
PS Your reflections are unusually easy for me to riff off of, Rory
(Ha-Ha!)-- I've been noticing something that may be related,
having
to do with noticing subtle fears and their subsequent resolution
even
On Oct 18, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Rory Goff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its an equally delightfully odd phenomenon that even as we recognize that the OneMind of the Teacher is literally our own mind, we feel compelled to overwhelmingly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
PS Your reflections are unusually easy for me to riff off of,
Rory
(Ha-Ha!)-- I've been noticing something that may be related,
having
to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
Its an equally delightfully odd phenomenon that even as we
recognize
that the OneMind of the Teacher is literally our own mind, we feel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I take refuge, I always take refuge in the Unification of All
My
Masters. How could it be any other way?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
My experience is that the 'bound'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tes, I never in a million years would've imagined this *other side*
of Enlightenment, rediscovering boundaries within Wholeness,
composed of Wholeness itself, Infinity rediscovering Itself to be
yet more Infinite.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
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Tes, I never in a million years would've imagined this *other
side*
of Enlightenment, rediscovering boundaries within Wholeness,
composed of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the nice thing about the yoga-nidra state--you can access
anything, including answers to many questions. I remember on my
first
dark retreat--I expected it to take several days before sensory
deprivation kicked
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:luminosity ground = "a boundless ocean of shimmering light/darkness" ? The union of luminosity-and-emptiness--of course as soon as you move even slightly out of that union, luminosity dawns.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
luminosity ground = a boundless ocean of shimmering light/darkness ?
The union of luminosity-and-emptiness--of course as soon as you move
even slightly out of that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Re darshan:
Why I prefer my recognition theory is because it puts
the responsibility and the impetus for self realization
where it belongs, in the lap of the *seeker*, not the
teacher.
Did you ever consider the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
Re darshan:
Why I prefer my recognition theory is because it puts
the responsibility and the impetus for self realization
where it belongs,
TorquiseB writes: Snipped
When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the
part of you that *already* has access to these different
states of mind *recognizes* them in the teacher's aura.
Seeing these states of mind in another wakes up the
same states of mind in the seeker. It's as if the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TorquiseB writes: Snipped
When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the
part of you that *already* has access to these different
states of mind *recognizes* them in the teacher's aura.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon the
unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
that... Sort of a continuous looking away.
JohnY
It is funny actually to think that the 'bound' self springs
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
the unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
that... Sort of a continuous looking away.
JohnY
Brilliant(IMHO)!! The continuous looking away is also
a continuous looking for a subjective
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
the unwillingness
to be nothing, the fear of
that... Sort of a continuous looking away.
JohnY
On Oct 16, 2006, at 6:58 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:snip My experience is that the 'bound' self is built uponthe unwillingnessto be nothing, the fear ofthat... Sort of a continuous looking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 16, 2006, at 6:58 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@
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--- jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
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My experience is that the 'bound' self is built
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks for your impressions. The language form she uses is
clearly meant to shift states of awareness. It would work
better in a
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