subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] $925 now = $75 then $was Re\: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.$"

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 When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or
 some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center,
 publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the
 teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
 franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting
 other support operations - at least that's the business angle on
 understanding the course fee for TM.  In short you're charging for the
 cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn.

Agreed.
 
 I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I
 taught.  Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks
 down in my mind.  

I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were
$75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of
12.3 times since then. 

A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets
were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in
the SF Bay Area waS $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with
almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area
was $5 ($75 now), hard bound best sellers were around $2, a new VW
was $1200 or so (I think), etc

Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult
is about $925.  

One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the prodcut
has increased due to the availability of adjuct products that are now
available to enhance the core porduct: AV, jyotish, yagyas, gems,
sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. 

Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
offering at $925.

An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian
projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and
Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different). 

Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And
heck, you get a King thrown in for free!


(See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38
years.)
http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440








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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or
 some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center,
 publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the
 teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
 franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting
 other support operations - at least that's the business angle on
 understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the
 cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn.

Agreed.

 I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I
 taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks
 down in my mind.

I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were
$75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of
12.3 times since then.

A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets
were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in
the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with
almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area
was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW
was $1200 or so (I think), etc.

Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult
is about $925.

One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now
available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas,
gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.

Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
offering at $925.

An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian
projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and
Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different).

Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And
heck, you get a King thrown in for free!


(See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38
years.)
http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440







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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

If AoL teaches equivalent meditation at $200 (per cite on another
post) and  Amma's IAM technique is $250 (to attend a retreat to get
the technique for free) then each is around $20 in 1968 price terms.
Almost half the SIMS student rate. Quite a deal. Do both for about the
same as the SIMS $35 deal of the century.



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wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or
  some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center,
  publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the
  teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
  franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting
  other support operations - at least that's the business angle on
  understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the
  cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn.
 
 Agreed.
 
  I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I
  taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks
  down in my mind.
 
 I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were
 $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of
 12.3 times since then.
 
 A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets
 were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in
 the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with
 almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area
 was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW
 was $1200 or so (I think), etc.
 
 Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult
 is about $925.
 
 One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
 has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now
 available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas,
 gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.
 
 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
 offering at $925.
 
 An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian
 projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and
 Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different).
 
 Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And
 heck, you get a King thrown in for free!
 
 
 (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38
 years.)

http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440







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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
 has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are 
 now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish,
 yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.
 
 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
 offering at $925.

And there is now tons of scientific research (ok ten pounds of GOOD
research) on TM. And the positive testimony of many long term TMers.
Neiher of which was available in 1968. 

New products have an uncertainty cost associated with them. The
consumer takes a riks, a pig in a poke when trying a new product
without reputation or research. They don't know if the claims are
valid. Often, prices of new products are discounted to reflect this
uncertainty cost to consumers. Thus, firms with new products, without
a reputation, research or long time users often aggressively
underprice their new product when they enter a market -- to gain
market share. 

When the product becomes a proven quantity, gains a good reputation,
has research to back up its claims, the firm will often (be able to)
raise its price. Peole with pay a premium for a well known reliable
brand. 

Thus, a 25-50% early market entry discount for TM would be consistent
with many or most products you normally buy. And looking at it from
another angle, a 50-100% established brand premium, over the market
entry discounted price, is also a normal practice, one most counsumers
readily pay.

Thus a $30% premium over market entry price, that reduces consumer
uncertainty, via research and reputation, is reasonable, raising the
inflation adjusted 1968 price of $75 ($925 now) to $1500 in today's
prices.  

And an additional 33% premium for the value of the availability of
complimentary products (AV, SV, GV ... ) is not inconsistent with many
modern marketing strategies. 

Add another 33% for donations to humaniatarian projects (a type of
brandng cost) results in a $2500 2006 mature product price. This is
not inconsistant with  $75 1968 price, given the maturity, reputation
and product line enhancements of TM over 35 + years. 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)



On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:44 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:If AoL teaches "equivalent" meditation at $200 (per cite on another post) and  Amma's IAM technique is $250 (to attend a retreat to get the technique for free)You don't need to go on one of Amma's retreats to get her method--at least you didn't used to have to do this.. then each is around $20 in 1968 price terms. Almost half the SIMS student rate. Quite a deal. Do both for about the same as the SIMS $35 "deal of the century". Vipassana, which is taught in the traditional 10 day closed retreat, is taught only by donation AFTER the retreat. This includes accommodations and food at a quiet retreat center.Swami Rama and some of his descendants teach meditation and mantra for free.





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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
 has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are
 now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish,
 yagyas, gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.

 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
 offering at $925.

And there is now tons of scientific research (ok ten pounds of GOOD
research) on TM. And the positive testimony of many long term TMers.
Neiher of which was available in 1968.

New products have an uncertainty cost associated with them. The
consumer takes a risk -- a pig in a poke sort of thing -- when
trying a new product without reputation or research. They don't know
if the claims are valid. Often, prices of new products are
discounted to reflect this uncertainty cost to consumers. Thus,
firms with new products, without a reputation, research or long time
users often aggressively underprice their new product when they enter
a market -- to gain market share.

When the product becomes a proven quantity, gains a good reputation,
has research to back up its claims, the firm will often (be able to)
raise its price. Peole with pay a premium for a well known reliable
brand.

Thus, a 25-50% early market entry discount for TM would be consistent
with many or most products you normally buy. And looking at it from
another angle, a 50-100% established brand premium, over the market
entry discounted price, is also a normal practice, one most counsumers
readily pay.

Thus a 70% premium over market entry price, that reduces consumer
uncertainty, via research and reputation, is reasonable, or at least
consistent with many other products as they mature. This raises the
inflation adjusted 1968 price of $75 ($925 now) to $1500 in today's
prices.

And an additional 33% premium for the value of the availability of
complimentary products (AV, SV, GV ... ) is not inconsistent with many
modern marketing strategies.

Add another 33% (over 1500 core mature price)  for donations to
humaniatarian projects (a type of brandng cost) results in a $2500
2006 mature product price. This is not inconsistant with $75 1968
price, given the maturity, reputation and product line enhancements of
TM over 35 + years.









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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears
resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a
month or so.

Break down the cost allocations:

Franchise Fee   50%
SV Facilities   10%
Office Exp.  Support   5%
Advertising and PR  10%
Presentation Media  5%
Health Ins, 401k, ATR   10%
Travel  5%
Salary  10%


Salary = 10% x 2500 x 30 = $7500 / month pre tax salary, about $90,000
per year. A low range amount for a mental / physical health
professional. Probably only $70,000 a year if there is 2-3 month /
year ATR  requirement. And they need to afford SV housing on at this
salary. If anything, this salary is too low.

If you want full time professional teachers,  a modest amount of
advertuising and PR,  professional facilities, (and franchise
requirements specify and require SV -- an added cost), reasonable
benefits, a running automobile --not full of dents, for teachers etc.,
then $2500 is about what it would take.

If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, then
thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior,
but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. This
may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach or
be appealing for a large part of society.

Previously I have been aghast at the $2500 figure for some time. But
now, looking at the i) pricing side (inflation adjusted, mature
product and all) and the ii) cost side, it seems quite reasonable. The
third tier is value. Is neo TM, taught in an SV center by a
professional, educated, professionally dressed and transported,
articulate teacher, living in a SV house, with a large, available
product line TM enhancing products, of with good personal follow-up --
checking, etc, worth $2500? 









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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears
 resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a
 month or so.
 
 
 If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, 
 then thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior,
 but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. This
 may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach or
 be appealing for a large part of society.

And in AoL, and I believe its similar with Amma, you often go to
lectures or advanced meeting / follow-ups where the majority of
seating is on the floor, in someone's well-lived-in home, lead by a
volunteer -- sometimes with sketchy experience or background. And one
is expected or encouraged to sing hindu hyms, is addressed as a
devotee of  , a majority of the fellow students have
non-professional backgrounds and education, sprinkled with a few quite
odd characters. Group practices can  involve hugging everyone in the
room, starring into others eyes for a prolonged period, and addressing
others with some group sanctioned phrase such as I belong to you. 

While all of this is great stuff for many, for many more, particularly
career-focussed professionals, much of this type of setting is
unappealing and simple not something they would participate in - or
stay more than 10 minutes for -- if drawn to an initial meeting.

The programs are simply NOT comparable, though the techniques may be
the same or similar.

So there are different approaches for different types of individuals.
Some clothes at Wal mart and Nordstroms often are not that much
diferent. But some feel much more comfortable in Nordstroms buying
underwear, even if they are paying 2-3 times the price as Wal Mart.
This is because they like the Norstrom environment, the professional,
polished staff, and all the complimentary products not available at
Nordstrom -- that is it provides one-stop shopping, with one guide /
sales consultant,  and has unparalled follow-up. 

The same could be the approach of neo-TM. Taught in nice SV centers,
by polished and professional, well qualified teachers steeped in
experience (living in SV homes, doing program 6 hours a day, + 3
months of deep program 2-3 months per year), with profesional teaching
and presentation matierials (full color brochures and booklets, hi def
large video screens, extensive DVD and satellite and podcast teaching
materials) comfortable seats, AND fellow students of similar career,
educational and social positions.

This new-TM vision has not yet been realized. But it could be. In not
to far of a future. A bit of a chicken and egg problem, how to get
from here to there. But if the new-TMO can bootstrap itself to this
new level, $2500 fees, with professioanl teachers and teaching
faciliites, will be appropriate for a large portion of society.






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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam

Thanks for the cost comparisons.

I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass 
good research to support its case, a $1,000 course 
fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological 
zeal, the death of Skip Alexander and Maharishi's 
abandonment of science all demolished that 
possibility. TM has good cardiovascular research 
now, but what else?

Also, at those prices, a TM Center would need a 
sales rep who'd get most of the fee, for without 
doggedness and professional sales skills, few 
would learn. The rainmaker would bring in 
students for the money, and the actual teachers 
would teach as a hobby. 

The national and international organizations would 
have to get some token amount. What's a typical franchise fee?

All these arguments about TM costing as much per 
day as a good coffee are fine perspective-setters, but 
people don't look upon it that way, so it's just an 
academic exercise. The way people view it, they don't 
know if TM will work for them, so they discount what 
they're willing to risk to find out. Think about your 
discretionary purchases and tell me if you don't do 
that, if you don't take into account the risk that you'll 
be dissatisfied.


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or
  some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center,
  publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the
  teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
  franchise fee for its role in developing the product and conducting
  other support operations - at least that's the business angle on
  understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging for the
  cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to learn.
 
 Agreed.
 
  I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was when I
  taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model breaks
  down in my mind.
 
 I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were
 $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor of
 12.3 times since then.
 
 A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets
 were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home in
 the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with
 almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier area
 was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW
 was $1200 or so (I think), etc.
 
 Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an adult
 is about $925.
 
 One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
 has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now
 available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas,
 gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.
 
 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
 offering at $925.
 
 An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian
 projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and
 Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different).
 
 Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. And
 heck, you get a King thrown in for free!
 
 
 (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38
 years.)
 http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?ID=14440







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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread mrsatva

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Looking at the $2500 fee
 
 Break down the cost allocations:
 
 Franchise Fee 50%
 SV Facilities 10%
 Office Exp.  Support  5%
 Advertising and PR10%
 Presentation Media 5%
 Health Ins, 401k, ATR 10%
 Travel 5%
 Salary10%

Looking at a 200 Euro fee

Franchise Fee   600 (=10%)
SV Facilities   800
Office Exp.  Support   600
Advertising and PR  500
Presentation Media  500
Health Ins  300
Travel  200
Salary 2500 

total  6000

divided by 30 (initiations) gives a 200 fee. 

Sounds good !  





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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras 
or
  some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a 
center,
  publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for 
me the
  teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
  franchise fee for its role in developing the product and 
conducting
  other support operations - at least that's the business angle on
  understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging 
for the
  cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to 
learn.
 
 Agreed.
 
  I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was 
when I
  taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model 
breaks
  down in my mind.
 
 I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were
 $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor 
of
 12.3 times since then.
 
 A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets
 were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home 
in
 the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with
 almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier 
area
 was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW
 was $1200 or so (I think), etc.
 
 Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an 
adult
 is about $925.
 
 One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
 has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are 
now
 available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas,
 gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.
 
 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
 offering at $925.
 
 An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian
 projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and
 Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different).
 
 Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. 
And
 heck, you get a King thrown in for free!
 
 
 (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index 
back 38
 years.)
 http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?
ID=14440 


That is exactly what I was just thinking. Thanks ! 
Rick you should add this to some archive file that has to do with TM 
rates ??

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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

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  Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears
  resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a
  month or so.
  
  
  If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) 
homes, 
  then thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or 
inferior,
  but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. 
This
  may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to 
reach or
  be appealing for a large part of society.
 
 And in AoL, and I believe its similar with Amma, you often go to
 lectures or advanced meeting / follow-ups where the majority of
 seating is on the floor, in someone's well-lived-in home, lead by a
 volunteer -- sometimes with sketchy experience or background. And 
one
 is expected or encouraged to sing hindu hyms, is addressed as a
 devotee of  , a majority of the fellow students have
 non-professional backgrounds and education, sprinkled with a few 
quite
 odd characters. Group practices can  involve hugging everyone in 
the
 room, starring into others eyes for a prolonged period, and 
addressing
 others with some group sanctioned phrase such as I belong to 
you. 
 
 While all of this is great stuff for many, for many more, 
particularly
 career-focussed professionals, much of this type of setting is
 unappealing and simple not something they would participate in - or
 stay more than 10 minutes for -- if drawn to an initial meeting.
 
 The programs are simply NOT comparable, 


It will never work. It is a waste of time.

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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread bbrigante

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  (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index 
 back 38
  years.)
  http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?
 ID=14440 
 
 
 That is exactly what I was just thinking. Thanks ! 
 Rick you should add this to some archive file that has to do with TM 
 rates ??
 
 OffWorld


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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

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 Thanks for the cost comparisons.
 
 I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass 
 good research to support its case, a $1,000 course 
 fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological 
 zeal, the death of Skip Alexander and Maharishi's 
 abandonment of science all demolished that 
 possibility. TM has good cardiovascular research 
 now, but what else?

REHABILITATION 2004:
The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, 
http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5.

EDUCATION 2005:
http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn

CARDIOLOGY 2005:
http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl


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 Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears
 resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a
 month or so.
 
 Break down the cost allocations:
 
 Franchise Fee 50%
 SV Facilities 10%
 Office Exp.  Support 5%
 Advertising and PR10%
 Presentation Media5%
 Health Ins, 401k, ATR 10%
 Travel5%
 Salary10%
 
 
 Salary = 10% x 2500 x 30 = $7500 / month pre tax salary, about 
$90,000
 per year. A low range amount for a mental / physical health
 professional. Probably only $70,000 a year if there is 2-3 month /
 year ATR  requirement. And they need to afford SV housing on at 
this
 salary. If anything, this salary is too low.
 
 If you want full time professional teachers,  a modest amount of
 advertuising and PR,  professional facilities, (and franchise
 requirements specify and require SV -- an added cost), reasonable
 benefits, a running automobile --not full of dents, for teachers 
etc.,
 then $2500 is about what it would take.
 
 If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, 
then
 thats another business / marketing model. Not superior or inferior,
 but a diferent model, aimed at a different segment of students. 
This
 may be a good model of AoL and Amma. But it is NOT going to reach 
or
 be appealing for a large part of society.
 
 Previously I have been aghast at the $2500 figure for some time. 
But
 now, looking at the i) pricing side (inflation adjusted, mature
 product and all) and the ii) cost side, it seems quite reasonable. 
The
 third tier is value. Is neo TM, taught in an SV center by a
 professional, educated, professionally dressed and transported,
 articulate teacher, living in a SV house, with a large, available
 product line TM enhancing products, of with good personal follow-
up --
 checking, etc, worth $2500?



Excellent Analyis !
Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping 
they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being 
whipped.

I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4 
times a week. Multiply that by 10 years, and add for inflation I am 
looking to spend maybe $8,000, just to go swimming a few times a 
week.

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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam

--- off_world_beings posted:
 
 REHABILITATION 2004:
 The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, 
 http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5

Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a 
meditation 
technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The real need 
here is to 
compare TM with vipassana meditation, because the vipassanites are teaching in 
prisons 
for free. 
 
 EDUCATION 2005:
 http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn

This cites research on hypertension, which I already said was the only area 
where strong 
research is being done. Other citations include stress relief (yawn) and a very 
small, hardly 
conclusive study on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Let's see a 
longitudinal study 
on 500 ADHD kids -- that's what I mean when I lament the absence of really 
solid 
research. You show concrete improvement in attention and parents will write the 
checks 
for $2,500.

 CARDIOLOGY 2005:
 http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl

Again, my lament is for the absence of research on somethign other than 
hypertension. 
Despite the impressive research on blood pressure, I don't hear about people 
learning TM 
to control hypertension, nor do I hear about insurance companies footing the 
bill.

Thanks for digging those up, Off World, all the same.





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On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Excellent Analyis ! Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being whipped. I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4 times a week. Multiply that by 10 years, and add for inflation I am looking to spend maybe $8,000, just to go swimming a few times a week. Yes, excellent. It highlights well the expensive aspect of the Unified Field. How could one not want to pay this low price for a proven technology of the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature, esp. the technology of mental mantra recitation! It is so rare, so unique--we just have to have it. Surely others will recognize, not only it's crucial importance for the individual, but it's important role in creating world peace through mental mantra usage. When we can we should corrupt the vows of other religious practitioners and get them to start. As always, we will lie and not tell them these are the mantras of worldly gods snicker. They'll buy it! If the can't afford it, we'll loan them the money. It's the compassionate thing to do! The International Maharishi Monetary Fund will provide the debt, er, prosperity to help foster this wonderful goal, this amazing technology of mechanical mantra repetition!Jai Guru Dev!

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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 --- off_world_beings posted:
  
  REHABILITATION 2004:
  The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, 
  http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5
 
 Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering 
learning a meditation 

Nonsense.

  
  EDUCATION 2005:
  http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn
 
 This cites research on hypertension, which I already said was the 
only area where strong 
 research is being done. Other citations include stress relief 
(yawn) and a very small, hardly 
 conclusive study on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. 
Let's see a longitudinal study 
 on 500 ADHD kids 

You got half a million bucks to spare? Such research is very 
expensive, but I agree, it would be great to see it done.

OffWorld


 
  CARDIOLOGY 2005:
  http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl
 
 Again, my lament is for the absence of research on somethign other 
than hypertension. 
 Despite the impressive research on blood pressure, I don't hear 
about people learning TM 
 to control hypertension, nor do I hear about insurance companies 
footing the bill.
 
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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
 
  Excellent Analyis !
  Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping
  they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being
  whipped.
 
  I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4
  times a week. Multiply that by 10 years, and add for inflation I am
  looking to spend maybe $8,000, just to go swimming a few times a
  week.
 
 
 Yes, excellent. It highlights well the expensive aspect of the  
 Unified Field. How could one not want to pay this low price for a  
 proven technology of the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature,  
 esp. the technology of mental mantra recitation! It is so rare, so  
 unique--we just have to have it. Surely others will recognize, not  
 only it's crucial importance for the individual, but it's important  
 role in creating world peace through mental mantra usage. When we can  
 we should corrupt the vows of other religious practitioners and get  
 them to start. As always, we will lie and not tell them these are the  
 mantras of worldly gods snicker. They'll buy it! If the can't  
 afford it, we'll loan them the money. It's the compassionate thing to  
 do! The International Maharishi Monetary Fund will provide the debt,  
 er, prosperity to help foster this wonderful goal, this amazing  
 technology of mechanical mantra repetition!
 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
 
  Excellent Analyis !
  Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping
  they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being
  whipped.
 
  I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4
  times a week. Multiply that by 10 years, and add for inflation I am
  looking to spend maybe $8,000, just to go swimming a few times a
  week.
 
 
 Yes, excellent. It highlights well the expensive aspect of the  
 Unified Field. How could one not want to pay this low price for a  
 proven technology of the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature,  
 esp. the technology of mental mantra recitation! It is so rare, so  
 unique--we just have to have it. Surely others will recognize, not  
 only it's crucial importance for the individual, but it's important  
 role in creating world peace through mental mantra usage. When we can  
 we should corrupt the vows of other religious practitioners and get  
 them to start. As always, we will lie and not tell them these are the  
 mantras of worldly gods snicker. They'll buy it! If the can't  
 afford it, we'll loan them the money. It's the compassionate thing to  
 do! The International Maharishi Monetary Fund will provide the debt,  
 er, prosperity to help foster this wonderful goal, this amazing  
 technology of mechanical mantra repetition!
 
 Jai Guru Dev!


Hey Vaj, 

I appreciate your posts and insights. But I think you are initially
reacting aka unstressing on the concept of, as the ancients said,
different strokes for different folks. Your Path, as pure as it is
(i do mean that sincerely), is not the path of all. 

The Nordstrom path is relevant and useful for MANY. Why dis a gate to
heaven for many?

All appreciation for your contributions ...


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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
  Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering  
  learning a meditation
  technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The  
  real need here is to
  compare TM with vipassana meditation, because the vipassanites are  
  teaching in prisons
  for free.
 
 And they have the hard science to now to show they can use the  
 neuroplastic flexibility of our neural hardware to truly rehabilitate  
 people. And it's a proven method for enlightening people--even  
 murderers.


All good. But why dis other paths? Many paths. Certainly. One peak or
many peaks, who cares? It's surreal and (non-dumb) blissfull on every
peak.   

All appreciation for your insights.

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- off_world_beings posted:
   
   REHABILITATION 2004:
   The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, 
   http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5
  
  Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering 
 learning a meditation 
 
 Nonsense.
 
   
   EDUCATION 2005:
   http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn
  
  This cites research on hypertension, which I already said was the 
 only area where strong 
  research is being done. Other citations include stress relief 
 (yawn) and a very small, hardly 
  conclusive study on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. 
 Let's see a longitudinal study 
  on 500 ADHD kids 
 
 You got half a million bucks to spare? Such research is very 
 expensive, but I agree, it would be great to see it done.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
  
   CARDIOLOGY 2005:
   http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl
  
  Again, my lament is for the absence of research on somethign other 
 than hypertension. 
  Despite the impressive research on blood pressure, I don't hear 
 about people learning TM 
  to control hypertension, nor do I hear about insurance companies 
 footing the bill.
  
  Thanks for digging those up, Off World, all the same.
 

Though I have concluded, with must angst (haha) that you -- OFF -- are
a beatiful and insightful soul -- lossen up brother -- a bit.  Drink a
gallon of Pitta tea before you post. Your heart is in the right place,
but your pitta (like Peter's)  at time, is out of control. 





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On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:17 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:All good. But why dis other paths? Many paths. Certainly. One peak or many peaks, who cares? It's surreal and (non-dumb) blissfull on every peak.     All appreciation for your insights.  the  namneless one I support the path of mantra yoga and manasika-japa as a good thing, esp. in it's full setting. I cannot support nor will I support destructive orgs with mega-maniacal CEO's using their marketing apparatus to fool people into something that simply isn't true or plain ole price gouging. At the simplest level it's just dishonest.When naivete on "things eastern" was still high, you could've gotten away with these things. It just doesn't wash any more. Someone has to blow the whistle before more people are harmed.





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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:17 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
 
  All good. But why dis other paths? Many paths. Certainly. One peak or
  many peaks, who cares? It's surreal and (non-dumb) blissfull on every
  peak.
 
  All appreciation for your insights.
 
  the  namneless one
 
 I support the path of mantra yoga and manasika-japa as a good thing,  
 esp. in it's full setting. I cannot support nor will I support  
 destructive orgs with mega-maniacal CEO's using their marketing  
 apparatus to fool people into something that simply isn't true or  
 plain ole price gouging. At the simplest level it's just dishonest.
 
 When naivete on things eastern was still high, you could've gotten  
 away with these things. It just doesn't wash any more. Someone has to  
 blow the whistle before more people are harmed.


I think blowing the whistle is good. GREAT even. 

But the issue, tome, is the ENTRY point. TMO, neo or retro,  may not
be the best thing for TOTAL enlightnement. Fully agreed.

I am more thinking what could be  -- in terms of professional,
classy -- and yet understandably -- expensive, initial presentation
and GATEWAY to spiritual path. 

I sense you have not been in corporate world and have NOT known 
Nordstroms (path) as a great boon. I have. I am not there now, 
working 12 hours a day, and needing to look good. But then, in that
life -- which many people are in --  Nordstroms was a great boon. 

Same as TMO spirituality -- if you get my drift. (long version
available upon request). 

Baby steps. 

Help get people focussed in the right directionn. 

THEN insist on purity. 

the nameless one






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Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread gullible fool


Some things have gone up in price. Some have gone
down.
Thirty years ago, I had to pay 25 cents a minute for
long distance phone calls. These days, I pay 2.4 cents
a minute  for long distance phone calls, less than
one-tenth as much. The reason? All the competition
that has opened up. Long distance is no longer a
one-company monopoly. TM is also no longer a monopoly.
Thirty years ago, our choices for spiritual growth
were pretty much limited to TM, Kriya Yoga, and the
13-year old guru. Nowadays, there are many techniques
available that give much faster growth than TM and
much faster growth than the TM sidhis program. TM is
no longer a monopoly. TM is no longer a monopoly. 

--- a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I taught full time I never saw myself as
 selling mantras or
  some such thing, but charging for the cost of
 maintaining a center,
  publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance
 lifestyle for me the
  teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the
 parent corp as a
  franchise fee for its role in developing the
 product and conducting
  other support operations - at least that's the
 business angle on
  understanding the course fee for TM.  In short
 you're charging for the
  cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone
 in the US to learn.
 
 Agreed.
  
  I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175
 which it was when I
  taught.  Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that
 whole model breaks
  down in my mind.  
 
 I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when
 prices were
 $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have
 increased by a factor of
 12.3 times since then. 
 
 A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult
 theatre tickets
 were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice
 middle class home in
 the SF Bay Area waS $30,000, a large Hersheys
 chocolate bar with
 almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket
 at a premier area
 was $5 ($75 now), hard bound best sellers were
 around $2, a new VW
 was $1200 or so (I think), etc
 
 Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price
 TM for an adult
 is about $925.  
 
 One could argue (not me particularly) that the value
 of the prodcut
 has increased due to the availability of adjuct
 products that are now
 available to enhance the core porduct: AV, jyotish,
 yagyas, gems,
 sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. 
 
 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable
 given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the
 lone product
 offering at $925.
 
 An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for
 humanitarian
 projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks
 and Ben and
 Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be
 different). 
 
 Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from
 1968 prices. And
 heck, you get a King thrown in for free!
 
 
 (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get
 the index back 38
 years.)

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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

I agree. All throughout my post I was ALSO thinking of DECLINING
prices -- like PC cost. I have economics and MBA degree. I am fully
aware of the arbitrary construction of inflation indexes. But they
serve some purpose. Not the Total purpose. I am fully aware and open
to declining prices over the last 40 years. Implying TM at $75  in
1968 should be  $7.50 now. Or $.75.  

I am not a shrill for the TMO.  I am just trying to give some
perspective. 

Like if a home owner in the SF Bay Area in 2005 has a home that is now
valued at $500,000 (they paid 100k 15 years ago) and it appreciates at
20% in last year -- 100 k value, then TM cost is about one week of
appreciation of their home. Effortless increase in value. Tax free, 
home equity loans available to scarf off that increased value. 

For such folks, and there are many, $2500 in NOT one weeks of salary
(as was the traditional TM  fee), but one weeks of appreceiation of
their home -- by forces they are not even aware of. 

Personally, I think TM and everything should be free. But I appreciate
market forces. And I appreciate that making TM, or any such spiritual
practice,  in a professional mall sort of way, costs a fair amount.
And MANY will only buy it, accept it, do IT, from a mall type, well
branded type of slickness. And That is not a strecth for THEM. 

Many paths.

Different strokes for different folks.

Just because you are not a Nordstrom's type of person (people whom I
personally like and love),  don't dis THEIR path. Its very
spiritual-centric to do so (a bad thing).  



 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Some things have gone up in price. Some have gone
 down.
 Thirty years ago, I had to pay 25 cents a minute for
 long distance phone calls. These days, I pay 2.4 cents
 a minute  for long distance phone calls, less than
 one-tenth as much. The reason? All the competition
 that has opened up. Long distance is no longer a
 one-company monopoly. TM is also no longer a monopoly.
 Thirty years ago, our choices for spiritual growth
 were pretty much limited to TM, Kriya Yoga, and the
 13-year old guru. Nowadays, there are many techniques
 available that give much faster growth than TM and
 much faster growth than the TM sidhis program. TM is
 no longer a monopoly. TM is no longer a monopoly. 
 
 --- a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  markmeredith2002
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   When I taught full time I never saw myself as
  selling mantras or
   some such thing, but charging for the cost of
  maintaining a center,
   publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance
  lifestyle for me the
   teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the
  parent corp as a
   franchise fee for its role in developing the
  product and conducting
   other support operations - at least that's the
  business angle on
   understanding the course fee for TM.  In short
  you're charging for the
   cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone
  in the US to learn.
  
  Agreed.
   
   I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175
  which it was when I
   taught.  Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that
  whole model breaks
   down in my mind.  
  
  I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when
  prices were
  $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have
  increased by a factor of
  12.3 times since then. 
  
  A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult
  theatre tickets
  were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice
  middle class home in
  the SF Bay Area waS $30,000, a large Hersheys
  chocolate bar with
  almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket
  at a premier area
  was $5 ($75 now), hard bound best sellers were
  around $2, a new VW
  was $1200 or so (I think), etc
  
  Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price
  TM for an adult
  is about $925.  
  
  One could argue (not me particularly) that the value
  of the prodcut
  has increased due to the availability of adjuct
  products that are now
  available to enhance the core porduct: AV, jyotish,
  yagyas, gems,
  sidhis, collective consiousness, etc. 
  
  Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable
  given the more
  complete product portfolio available compared to the
  lone product
  offering at $925.
  
  An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for
  humanitarian
  projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks
  and Ben and
  Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be
  different). 
  
  Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from
  1968 prices. And
  heck, you get a King thrown in for free!
  
  
  (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get
  the index back 38
  years.)
 

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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- off_world_beings posted:

REHABILITATION 2004:
The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, 
http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5
   
   Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering 
  learning a meditation 
  
  Nonsense.
  

EDUCATION 2005:
http://tinyurl.com/7j6cn
   
   This cites research on hypertension, which I already said was 
the 
  only area where strong 
   research is being done. Other citations include stress relief 
  (yawn) and a very small, hardly 
   conclusive study on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. 
  Let's see a longitudinal study 
   on 500 ADHD kids 
  
  You got half a million bucks to spare? Such research is very 
  expensive, but I agree, it would be great to see it done.
  
  OffWorld
  
  
   
CARDIOLOGY 2005:
http://tinyurl.com/bu6pl
   
   Again, my lament is for the absence of research on somethign 
other 
  than hypertension. 
   Despite the impressive research on blood pressure, I don't 
hear 
  about people learning TM 
   to control hypertension, nor do I hear about insurance 
companies 
  footing the bill.
   
   Thanks for digging those up, Off World, all the same.
  
 
 Though I have concluded, with must angst (haha) that you -- OFF -- 
are
 a beatiful and insightful soul -- lossen up brother -- a bit.  
Drink a
 gallon of Pitta tea before you post. Your heart is in the right 
place,
 but your pitta (like Peter's)  at time, is out of control.


Where?
Show me where.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras 
or
  some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a 
center,
  publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for 
me the
  teacher - plus of course giving about 1/2 to the parent corp as a
  franchise fee for its role in developing the product and 
conducting
  other support operations - at least that's the business angle on
  understanding the course fee for TM. In short you're charging 
for the
  cost of making tm easy and convenient for someone in the US to 
learn.
 
 Agreed.
 
  I think that was fair when the cost was $75-$175 which it was 
when I
  taught. Now with the fee at $2500 or more, that whole model 
breaks
  down in my mind.
 
 I just checked an inflation index from 1968 -- when prices were
 $75/$35 for adults and students. Prices have increased by a factor 
of
 12.3 times since then.





Where did you get your figures?  Because when I googled consumer 
price index history I came up with a table showing a MUCH different 
result from 1968 to 2005 than 12.3 times.

According to the Consumer Price Index found at the U.S. Department 
of Labor at ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt , 
the CPI in January 1968 was 34.1; in January 2005 it was 190.7.

Now, according to MY calculater that's an increase by a factor of 
5.6, NOT 12.3 as you stated(curiously, 5.6 is almost exactly half of 
12.3 so maybe you accidentally doubled your figures when you did the 
math).

Unless my math is wrong (and I will stand corrected if someone 
points out an error on my part), a $35.00 initiation fee in 1968 
would therefore be $196.00 today.

A $75.00 initiation fee in 1968 would therefore be $420.00 today.

Extrapolate all you want from there, and add all and anything you 
think is justified from there, but I don't think there's any way you 
can come up with anything anywhere near $2,500...








 
 A surprisingly large factor, but then again, adult theatre tickets
 were around $1, a gal of gas around $.3, a nice middle class home 
in
 the SF Bay Area was $30,000, a large Hersheys chocolate bar with
 almonds was $.10, etc., an all day ski lift ticket at a premier 
area
 was $5 ($75 now), hardbound best sellers were around $2, a new VW
 was $1200 or so (I think), etc.
 
 Thus in today's dollars, the 1968 equivalent price TM for an 
adult
 is about $925.
 
 One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product
 has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are 
now
 available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas,
 gems, sidhis, collective consiousness, etc.
 
 Thus a price of $1500-2000 would not be unreasonable given the more
 complete product portfolio available compared to the lone product
 offering at $925.
 
 An extra $500 (25%) ($20 in 1968 terms) is added for humanitarian
 projects not unlike what some firms like Starbucks and Ben and
 Jerry's do (thought their percentage may be different).
 
 Voila $2500 is reasonable. And not so far off from 1968 prices. 
And
 heck, you get a King thrown in for free!
 
 
 (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index 
back 38
 years.)
 http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp?
ID=14440








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