[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
NoBody in SSRS camp is offended by TM. in fact SSRS teaches TM in the Third-Level course. it is Sahaja Samadhi meditation. Sudharshana Kriya is no more harmful than Yogic-flying.! When I told my Sudharshna instructor that, I am a follower of Maharishi, he spoke very highly of Maharishi. SSRS says that there is always a place for Maharishi and his associates in his Bangalore Ashram. Always Welcome he says. bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:16:48 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Doc Martin" is a popular TV-show from GB I think. Last night in the > show, Ayurvedic Products was mentioned to be very dangerous because > of the heavy metals in the products - . > Ingegerd At least in the USA< Maharishi Ayurveda Products does testing for heavy metal contamination on every shipment, or so they claim. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > I already mentioned MAPI products, > > > > Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, > nor > > did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key > formulae > > were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. > > > > > Triguna only dealt a few hundred > > > or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are > > > insignificant. > > > > How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. > > Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. > > Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and > 3 > > months of herbs for under 100 USD. > > > > > And how much was collected for the pundit project in > > > MUM? > > > > Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a > responsible > > and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is > happening?" > > > WHat would it be? > > > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > > > > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? Any number of reasons--over meditation, insufficient training, lack of walking meditation, impermeability to increased shakti, etc., etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
"Doc Martin" is a popular TV-show from GB I think. Last night in the show, Ayurvedic Products was mentioned to be very dangerous because of the heavy metals in the products - . Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > I already mentioned MAPI products, > > Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor > did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae > were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. > > > Triguna only dealt a few hundred > > or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are > > insignificant. > > How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. > Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. > Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 > months of herbs for under 100 USD. > > > And how much was collected for the pundit project in > > MUM? > > Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible > and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > > > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > > > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > > > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > > > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > > > > > > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is > > > > > happening?" > > > > > WHat would it be? > > > > > > > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > > > > > > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? > > > > Hey, I don't know what caused it, but if you weren't > > there in Fiuggi, don't be so quick to judge. I mean, > > there were 30 to 40 people whom the TM movement wanted > > to ship home but was terrified *to* ship home because > > they had arrived healthy and now, after a few months > > of rounding, could not control their spasms, in or > > out of meditation. We are talking arms and legs jerking > > out in sudden movements, people standing up and shouting > > out nonsense sounds or obscenities, Tourette-syndrome- > > like, whatever. It was pretty scary for the people who > > had this happen to them. > > > And then Dr Elliot (re)discovered Thorozin ---(famous drug used to > calm LSD flipouts) > Which quite possibly was what those were. The unstressing/memory/sleeping elephant model certainly makes sense for people in the 60's/70's showing massive signs of unstressing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > > > > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is > > happening?" > > > > WHat would it be? > > > > > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > > > > > > > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? > > More probably due to bathing after TM. > > Or having wacky parents whispering wak(Y) things in their ears at birth. > Or doing lots of drugs when they were younger. Given the era where this was happening a lot, I would bet better than 50-50 on the latter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > > > > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is > > > > happening?" > > > > WHat would it be? > > > > > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > > > > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? > > Hey, I don't know what caused it, but if you weren't > there in Fiuggi, don't be so quick to judge. I mean, > there were 30 to 40 people whom the TM movement wanted > to ship home but was terrified *to* ship home because > they had arrived healthy and now, after a few months > of rounding, could not control their spasms, in or > out of meditation. We are talking arms and legs jerking > out in sudden movements, people standing up and shouting > out nonsense sounds or obscenities, Tourette-syndrome- > like, whatever. It was pretty scary for the people who > had this happen to them. > And then Dr Elliot (re)discovered Thorozin ---(famous drug used to calm LSD flipouts) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is > happening?" > > > WHat would it be? > > > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > > > > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? More probably due to bathing after TM. Or having wacky parents whispering wak(Y) things in their ears at birth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
> > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is > > > happening?" > > > WHat would it be? > > > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? Hey, I don't know what caused it, but if you weren't there in Fiuggi, don't be so quick to judge. I mean, there were 30 to 40 people whom the TM movement wanted to ship home but was terrified *to* ship home because they had arrived healthy and now, after a few months of rounding, could not control their spasms, in or out of meditation. We are talking arms and legs jerking out in sudden movements, people standing up and shouting out nonsense sounds or obscenities, Tourette-syndrome- like, whatever. It was pretty scary for the people who had this happen to them. I happened to know one of them, who later went back to L.A. and spent five YEARS dealing with it, living with her parents, and unable to get a job because of the uncontrollable twitching and spasms. She had tried quit- ting meditation, going to doctors, anything she could think of...nothing worked. Like I said, I don't know exactly what brought it on, but I do know what made it go away for this woman. She started meditating with Rama (Fred Lenz), using his style of medtitation, and the twitching just WENT AWAY. Instantly. Never came back. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: > > > > > Things like dedication and service are not valued in > > > > the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. > > > > Get with the program. > > > > > > > > > > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > > > detrement. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others > > think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of > > others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing > > it. No "fruit" or reward needed. > > And that's exactly the kind of attitude the TMO looks for in people, > call it the Doormat technique. > > Sal Ok, fruit-cake. She who always seeks the fruits (of the loom?) :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > > happening. > > > > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is happening?" > > WHat would it be? > > An irreversible neurological disorder? > Due to thinking a mantra in a "quasi" effortless way? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, duh. Fanaticism ("Our technique is the best;
> > > > all other techniques are lesser") is part and parcel
> > > > of the TM dogma.
> > >
> > > Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's
also
> > > deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best,
> > > fastest and will get you fully enlightened.
> > >
> >
> > How do you know it won't?
>
> How do we know a house will not be finished when there are pieces
> missing or if there is insufficient technology to complete it?
>
And you know what a house looks like because...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:28 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > > detrement. > > It's caused suffering to many people. Some will be damaged for this > lifetime--maybe longer. > A new level of FUD: Fear Uncertainty and Doubt For Lifetimes Yet To Come. FUDFLYTC Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > I already mentioned MAPI products, > > Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor > did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae > were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. How are they stolen? > > > Triguna only dealt a few hundred > > or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are > > insignificant. > > How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. > Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. > Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 > months of herbs for under 100 USD. In the context of billions of dollars, a few millions or 10s of millions isn't significant. > > > And how much was collected for the pundit project in > > MUM? > > Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible > and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. > I'm pretty sure that there was an official goal bandied about. %5 million or something? Again, a drop in the bucket for this "billions and billions of dollars" claim. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:19 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > > on their own TTC courses? > > > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good > happening. > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is happening?" > WHat would it be? An irreversible neurological disorder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: > > > > > Things like dedication and service are not valued in > > > > the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. > > > > Get with the program. > > > > > > > > > > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > > > detrement. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others > > think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of > > others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing > > it. No "fruit" or reward needed. > > And that's exactly the kind of attitude the TMO looks for in people, > call it the Doormat technique. That's funny. While I've met plenty of people in the TMO who are content to sit on their behinds and let the "nature take care of it," I've also met plenty of people who go out and DO things. I'm known throughout the TMO as the "public access advocate." Just about everyone who's been on MUM faculty knows my name. I did my own TV shows using the MUM video magazine for years. When a few people expressed concern that perhaps the video magazine shouldn't be shown in public, I responded that if they put their concerns in writing saying I didn'[t have permission to do that, I would stop. Never got any written permission or denial of permission, but I still sometimes get calls from people in the TMO asking my advice on how to set things up. (of course, given that public access no longer exists in mosty places in the country, I can't give them much advice, butthat's another matter). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > > Well, duh. Fanaticism ("Our technique is the best;
> > > all other techniques are lesser") is part and parcel
> > > of the TM dogma.
> >
> > Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also
> > deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best,
> > fastest and will get you fully enlightened.
> >
>
> How do you know it won't?
How do we know a house will not be finished when there are pieces
missing or if there is insufficient technology to complete it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote: > I already mentioned MAPI products, Yes, but you failed to mention the Indian side of the equation, nor did you mention (or you may not have known) that some key formulae were what we might call 'stolen intellectual property'. > Triguna only dealt a few hundred > or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are > insignificant. How much was the pulse diagnosis from him? $300? $500? I forget. Multiply that times thousands and you have a big chunk of change. Esp. considering you could visit him in India, get a consult and 3 months of herbs for under 100 USD. > And how much was collected for the pundit project in > MUM? Who knows? Do you think they are suddenly going to be a responsible and transparent org? No, of course they are not nor will they be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/25/06 12:19 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >> > >> on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > >>> 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > >>> life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > >>> after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > >>> on their own TTC courses? > >> > >> That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. > >> > > > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is happening?" > > WHat would it be? > > I think it can be either. I went through a phase like that, and something > good was definitely happening, but some ended up suicidal or in a nut house. > Depends on what goes on in the nervous system. Even TM can be too much for some people.I've had bouts of screaming my lungs out during meditation and a few convulsvive episodes, but given the state of my nervous system after 3 years of non-stop living (sometimes for days at a time) in a literally toxic environment, a little twitching might be expected. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I think it can be either. I went through a phase like that, and something good was definitely happening, but some ended up suicidal or in a nut house. And the rest of us ended up in Fairfield. :) I remember when they did away with the sound effects in the Dome, at least in the women's. It went from sounding like a zoo at feeding time to sounding like a morgue. Ah, what fun it was back then. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:28 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > detrement. It's caused suffering to many people. Some will be damaged for this lifetime--maybe longer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: > > Things like dedication and service are not valued in > > the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. > > Get with the program. > > > > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > detrement. > > JohnY And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing it. No "fruit" or reward needed. And that's exactly the kind of attitude the TMO looks for in people, call it the Doormat technique. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
on 3/25/06 12:19 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how >>> 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% >>> life supporting, and has no negative side effects," >>> after having seen people twitching uncontrollably >>> on their own TTC courses? >> >> That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. >> > > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is happening?" > WHat would it be? I think it can be either. I went through a phase like that, and something good was definitely happening, but some ended up suicidal or in a nut house. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. > That's > > > $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 > > > for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, > > > gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures > > > don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion > > > over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead > is > > > counted. > > > The Guardian finncial pages in the UK put the worth of the TMO at 3.6 > billion, but that was ten years ago I think. > > Does anyone have a more up-to date figure? > WHere did the Guardian get its figure? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > And I was more concerned with the people who helped > > > > > and provided their loyal service, often at great cost > > > > > to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised > > > > > them as "low-paid volunteers". They were the people who > > > > > got you going Didn't they do well? > > > > > > > > With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I > > > > know/knew personally were making a living from full- > > > > time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. > > > > > > 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they > > > do well?' > > > > > > I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. > > > > Things like dedication and service are not valued in > > the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. > > Get with the program. > > > > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my > detrement. > > JohnY And its generally weak people who base their lives on what others think of them, on what others value in them, being the puppet of others values, instead of figuring out what needs to be done and doing it. No "fruit" or reward needed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > > on their own TTC courses? > > That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. > Do you have an explanation for it as in "something bad is happening?" WHat would it be? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy
> > way -- perhaps too
> > > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > > >
> > > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from
> > reality has little
> > to do
> > > > with real class, which generally isn't something
> > you can buy or put a
> > > > label on.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, you don't look like one of the target
> > customers.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10
> > years, I think is possible,
> > > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That
> > SOMEONE does it
> > right --
> > > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think
> > has a greater
> > than 50%
> > > > > probability.
> > > > >
> > > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I
> > were you.
> > >
> > > Because they are without class I presume. If you
> > are conserned about
> > > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a
> > greater than 10%
> > > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put
> > together a "service"
> > > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you
> > are optimistic.
> > >
> > > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero
> > probability, though
> > > it may be low. As you learn when you formally
> > study probability and
> > > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly
> > assign extreme
> > > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
> >
> > MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more
> > popular in India
> > and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible
> > some neo-TM
> > program could emerge someday, but definitely not
> > until after MMY goes
> > and probably not from within the current inner
> > circle.
>
> SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic
> guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him
> and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not
> elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make
> everyone feel equal and comfortable.
>
That may be, but elitists like to feel elite, do they not?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > Well, duh. Fanaticism ("Our technique is the best;
> > all other techniques are lesser") is part and parcel
> > of the TM dogma.
>
> Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also
> deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best,
> fastest and will get you fully enlightened.
>
How do you know it won't?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's > > $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 > > for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, > > gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures > > don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion > > over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is > > counted. > > There are certain services you aren't including which would have a > huge profit margin--namely services performed in India. The prices > for movement yagyas were insanely high--so they were making a huge > profit there. Same with MAPI products, also made there, for a few > rupees. Also with Jyotish, prices were higher, but given to Indians > who probably only got a few rupees comparatively. There were also > tours of ayurvedic physicians like Trigunaji who would take your > pulse for hundreds of dollars--how much do you think he got? The > Amrit Kalash formula and numerous other formulae were given to Mahesh > under the provision they were used to benefit humanity but not to > make money (but his greed could not ignore the potential profit of > such items). And of course there is 'bilking the elite' for > donations. The pundit project has to be the best rip-off project yet > conceived--and also extremely profitable. > I already mentioned MAPI products, Triguna only dealt a few hundred or thousand students at a time at most, so his contributions are insignificant. And how much was collected for the pundit project in MUM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic > > guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him > > and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not > > elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make > > everyone feel equal and comfortable. > > Well no *wonder* Bob flies into a rage whenever > SSRS's name is mentioned. The mere *thought* of > a spiritual movement in which he wouldn't be > encouraged to consider himself superior to other > people must give him hives! ;-) > So David Lynch comes across as superior to everyone else? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. > That's > > > $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 > > > for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, > > > gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures > > > don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion > > > over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead > is > > > counted. > > > The Guardian finncial pages in the UK put the worth of the TMO at 3.6 > billion, but that was ten years ago I think. > > Does anyone have a more up-to date figure? > Depends on the real estate market? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > [...] > > > > And I was more concerned with the people who helped > > > > and provided their loyal service, often at great cost > > > > to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised > > > > them as "low-paid volunteers". They were the people who > > > > got you going Didn't they do well? > > > > > > With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I > > > know/knew personally were making a living from full- > > > time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. > > > > 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they > > do well?' > > > > I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. > > Things like dedication and service are not valued in > the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. > Get with the program. > Took a long time to learn about that, I was stubborn. Much to my detrement. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's > > $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 > > for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, > > gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures > > don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion > > over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is > > counted. The Guardian finncial pages in the UK put the worth of the TMO at 3.6 billion, but that was ten years ago I think. Does anyone have a more up-to date figure? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
on 3/25/06 8:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how > 'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100% > life supporting, and has no negative side effects," > after having seen people twitching uncontrollably > on their own TTC courses? That is interpreted as being symptomatic of something good happening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > Well, duh. Fanaticism ("Our technique is the best;
> > all other techniques are lesser") is part and parcel
> > of the TM dogma.
>
> Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday),
> it's also deeply trained and conditioned into adherents:
> effortless, best, fastest and will get you fully enlightened.
Said for the most part by people who have never
in their lives had an experience of enlightenment
or really studied (meaning, working with a teacher,
not from a book) any other technique of meditation.
They just declare these things as absolute TRUTHS,
because that's the way they were presented to them.
And then there's the level of fanaticism I love the
best -- being willing to declare tens of thousands of
people who practice other techniques WRONG about their
OWN experiences in meditation. According to this level
of fanatic, if someone says that their concentration-
based techniques produce transcendence directly, they
are by definition WRONG. The fanatics claim to "know"
that this can never happen, because they "know" how
the mind "really" works in *all* meditation techniques,
based on their limited experience with only one.
Pretty amazing, when you think of it. I've run into
superiority, elitism and fanaticism in other organiz-
ations, but *never* to this extent.
And as long as we're having Fun With Fanaticism, how
'bout the teachers who mindlessly repeat "TM is 100%
life supporting, and has no negative side effects,"
after having seen people twitching uncontrollably
on their own TTC courses?
Or, for that matter, those who keep claiming that the
pundits are gonna be showing up in large numbers
Any Day Now.
Face it...even the Bush administration probably doesn't
have the percentage of fanatics that the TMO does. And
that's really saying something. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> Well, duh. Fanaticism ("Our technique is the best;
> all other techniques are lesser") is part and parcel
> of the TM dogma.
Let's not forget (how could we, we hear it here everyday), it's also
deeply trained and conditioned into adherents: effortless, best,
fastest and will get you fully enlightened.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's > $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 > for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, > gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures > don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion > over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is > counted. There are certain services you aren't including which would have a huge profit margin--namely services performed in India. The prices for movement yagyas were insanely high--so they were making a huge profit there. Same with MAPI products, also made there, for a few rupees. Also with Jyotish, prices were higher, but given to Indians who probably only got a few rupees comparatively. There were also tours of ayurvedic physicians like Trigunaji who would take your pulse for hundreds of dollars--how much do you think he got? The Amrit Kalash formula and numerous other formulae were given to Mahesh under the provision they were used to benefit humanity but not to make money (but his greed could not ignore the potential profit of such items). And of course there is 'bilking the elite' for donations. The pundit project has to be the best rip-off project yet conceived--and also extremely profitable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic > guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him > and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not > elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make > everyone feel equal and comfortable. Well no *wonder* Bob flies into a rage whenever SSRS's name is mentioned. The mere *thought* of a spiritual movement in which he wouldn't be encouraged to consider himself superior to other people must give him hives! ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy
> way -- perhaps too
> > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > >
> > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from
> reality has little
> to do
> > > with real class, which generally isn't something
> you can buy or put a
> > > label on.
> >
> >
> > OK, you don't look like one of the target
> customers.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10
> years, I think is possible,
> > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That
> SOMEONE does it
> right --
> > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think
> has a greater
> than 50%
> > > > probability.
> > > >
> > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I
> were you.
> >
> > Because they are without class I presume. If you
> are conserned about
> > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a
> greater than 10%
> > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put
> together a "service"
> > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you
> are optimistic.
> >
> > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero
> probability, though
> > it may be low. As you learn when you formally
> study probability and
> > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly
> assign extreme
> > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
>
> MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more
> popular in India
> and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible
> some neo-TM
> program could emerge someday, but definitely not
> until after MMY goes
> and probably not from within the current inner
> circle.
SSRS is popular because he is just a normal, authentic
guy. MMY has always had the touch of an elitist to him
and his movement reflects this. SSRS movement is not
elitist at all. In fact it goes out of its way to make
everyone feel equal and comfortable.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the > > light > > > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > > > Wow. Bob's a loon. > > > > > > A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his > > > true colors from time to time so that no one is > > > tempted to take him seriously. > > > > > > There should be a special shelf in the Self Help > > > section for TM fanatics. It would be called, "We're > > > Ok, everyone else is fucked." :-) > > > > So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their > > fair share of fanatics? > > Have you developed a stutter? No, he hasn't. You replied to the same post twice. > > *Of course* they have. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion, anyone who spent a lot of time > listening to the TM dogma has been pretty much > imprinted with its teaching of how "special" and > "unique" they are as TMers. But most people, > especially on FFL, got over it. Some haven't. I think you make the assumption that to hear = to become "imprinted with" because that's how it was for you, so you project it onto others and interpret everything they say in that light. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > [...] > > > And I was more concerned with the people who helped > > > and provided their loyal service, often at great cost > > > to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised > > > them as "low-paid volunteers". They were the people who > > > got you going Didn't they do well? > > > > With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I > > know/knew personally were making a living from full- > > time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. > > 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they > do well?' > > I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. Things like dedication and service are not valued in the TM movement, doncha know? Only making money is. Get with the program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > [...] > > You're forgetting all the other stuff. TTC, siddhi's, ayeurvedic, > > jyotish, yagya, bliss, pycho, eating,smoking, advanced, purusha, > > books, sci, miu, fundraisers, pundits, courses, books, and of course > > real estate, investments, vibration, sv, tony's book, miu press, > > raams, ragas, millionaires... it adds up. > > TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's > $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 > for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, > gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures > don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion > over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is > counted. > > > > > > And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided > > their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. > > You're the one who characterised them as "low-paid volunteers". They > > were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? > > With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew > personally were making a living from full-time TM teaching, except in > the mid-70s. > 'They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well?' I did not mean the money, I meant dedication and service. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you > > > > knew ... > > > > > > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for > > > details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite > > > well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had > > > more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. > > > > Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of > > honesty when telling you these things that they use > > when telling them to themselves. > > /shrug. Of course. No need to project your expectations of > dishonesty onto me, however. Or are you suggesting that I > am deliberately distorting things also? Dishonest with us? Absolutely not. Dishonest with yourself? Perhaps. What I was talking about with regard to the two recerts and their glowing report about how well they were doing was this *self* honesty thang. Are they likely to be telling *themselves* the truth about how "well" they're doing? If they're financially self-sufficient (for now), are they likely to have even *noticed* that no one is showing up for their talks and starting TM? They're getting by, while doing what Maharishi told them to do. So of course in their eyes they're "doing well." In your case, you *wanted* to hear how well they were doing. So you never bothered to ask the most obvious of questions -- How many people have you taught so far? So no, I don't think you were trying to be dishonest with us, but I do think it's possible that you avoided asking this obvious question because you didn't want to know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the > light > > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > Wow. Bob's a loon. > > > > A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his > > true colors from time to time so that no one is > > tempted to take him seriously. > > > > There should be a special shelf in the Self Help > > section for TM fanatics. It would be called, "We're > > Ok, everyone else is fucked." :-) > > So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their > fair share of fanatics? Have you developed a stutter? *Of course* they have. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In what way is SSRS more popular?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by
> > > the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar
> > > to fools.
> >
> > Wow. Bob's a loon.
> >
> > A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his
> > true colors from time to time so that no one is
> > tempted to take him seriously.
> >
> > There should be a special shelf in the Self Help
> > section for TM fanatics. It would be called, "We're
> > Ok, everyone else is fucked." :-)
>
> So you think that the TMers of the world have more than
> their fair share of fanatics?
Well, duh. Fanaticism ("Our technique is the best;
all other techniques are lesser") is part and parcel
of the TM dogma.
But in particular I was speaking of a few of the
obviously pro-TM fanatics on this forum, like Bob
in his worst moments (like above) and lupidus, in
pretty much all of his. They took the "You're
special because you do TM" teaching to heart,
and allowed it to develop into a real elitism
fetish.
In my opinion, anyone who spent a lot of time
listening to the TM dogma has been pretty much
imprinted with its teaching of how "special" and
"unique" they are as TMers. But most people,
especially on FFL, got over it. Some haven't.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > You're forgetting all the other stuff. TTC, siddhi's, ayeurvedic, > jyotish, yagya, bliss, pycho, eating,smoking, advanced, purusha, > books, sci, miu, fundraisers, pundits, courses, books, and of course > real estate, investments, vibration, sv, tony's book, miu press, > raams, ragas, millionaires... it adds up. TTC cost what, $10,000 or so for 40,000 people over 40 years. That's $400 million or $10 million per year, gross. The siddhis were $4000 for several 10's of thousands, for another, say $100-400 million, gross. MAPI pulls in several million a month, gross. The figures don't add up. The TMO would be lucky to have pulled in $4 billion over the last 50 years, gross revenue, before ANY kind of overhead is counted. > > And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided > their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. > You're the one who characterised them as "low-paid volunteers". They > were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? With one or two exceptions, none of hte TM teachers I know/knew personally were making a living from full-time TM teaching, except in the mid-70s. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you > > > knew ... > > > > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for > > details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite > > well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had > > more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. > > Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of > honesty when telling you these things that they use > when telling them to themselves. > /shrug. Of course. No need to project your expectations of dishonesty onto me, however. Or are you suggesting that I am deliberately distorting things also? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... > > That's a trait picked up from Maharishi. Amazing how > many people will buy bullshit when you present it as > if you "knew." :-) > As I already responded: I don't know. I assume that they were being honest when they said that they were doing well. They may not have been honest, or perhaps I was reading more into their response than they meant. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean > almost > > > > anything. > > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has > a > > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their > new SV- > > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' > for me. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by > > > the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar > > > to fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and > > I suspect you don't either. > > Ah...sparaig offers a lesson in compassion. Nope,common sense. > > Always be willing to overlook ignorance, arrogance and > even outright insanity...as long as it happens to be in > another TM fanatic. Then it's permissible to cut the > guy a break and assume that there just might be a > rational explanation for his outburst...maybe. Did I suggest that there was a rational explanation for either Bob's remarks OR MMY's? I said suggested that neither of us knew what MMY meant by his remarks. YOU are one reading something into my pointing out the obvious. > > What makes me suspect that we wouldn't be seeing such > compassion if the same sort of thing had been said > by one of the people you consider an "anti-TMer," eh? How is what I said compassionate or non-compassionate? > > Gawd...some day you people really have to DEAL with the > self importance thing. Maharishi LIED to you, for decades, > and you believed it. You really AREN'T the most important > and most highly evolved people on the planet. GET OVER IT. > Perhaps you can learn to stop projecting hostility onto other people's remarks? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > Wow. Bob's a loon. > > A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his > true colors from time to time so that no one is > tempted to take him seriously. > > There should be a special shelf in the Self Help > section for TM fanatics. It would be called, "We're > Ok, everyone else is fucked." :-) > So you think that the TMers of the world have more than their fair share of fanatics? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization > you > > > haven't > > > > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the > > > years, > > > > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY > apparently > > > is > > > > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order > to > > > > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the > > > entropy > > > > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but > > > mostly, the > > > > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > > > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only > way > > > you > > > > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the > > > Kingdom of > > > > > Heaven these days... > > > > > > > > > > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose > and > > > at > > > > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > > > > > > > > > > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the > University > > > of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so > > > far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that > > > students are getting these days. Not something that your usual > low- > > > paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, > IMHO. > > > > > > http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 > > > > > > > I guess they were only good for the first few million meditators, > > 20-40,000 teachers and the first few billions in revenue. Now it's > > easier... > > > > JohnY > > > > It's intersting how people can bandy these figures around without > ever blinking. > > 6 million instructed at $400 each = $2.4 billion. Assuming that > everyone paid that much, there's still the 50% that went to the local > center and TM teacher. $1.2 gross revenues over 50 years isn't > exactly the most profitable of international companies. > > It also doesn't make sense because the most expensive place in the > world to learn TM has always been the USA, and greatest wave of > initiations was in the mid-70's during the Merv years, where as many > as 35,000 people per month were starting, paying about $125 each with > half that revenue staying with the local TM center and teacher. > > $4.4 million a month for a few months, call it a year, in the mid- > 70's, just doesn't translate into "billions," even if the rest of the > world were learning at the 10x the rate, paying the same amount and > no teacher or center was ever paid, we'd only get $44 million per > month for 12 months, which STILL doesn't compute. > You're forgetting all the other stuff. TTC, siddhi's, ayeurvedic, jyotish, yagya, bliss, pycho, eating,smoking, advanced, purusha, books, sci, miu, fundraisers, pundits, courses, books, and of course real estate, investments, vibration, sv, tony's book, miu press, raams, ragas, millionaires... it adds up. And I was more concerned with the people who helped and provided their loyal service, often at great cost to them, not the money. You're the one who characterised them as "low-paid volunteers". They were the people who got you going Didn't they do well? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you > > > knew ... > > > > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for > > details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite > > well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had > > more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. > > Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of > honesty when telling you these things that they use > when telling them to themselves. Same degree of honesty as you display, huh, Barry? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... > > That's a trait picked up from Maharishi. Amazing how > many people will buy bullshit when you present it as > if you "knew." :-) Nope, more fantasy. Lawson never "spoke as though he knew." > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean > almost > > > > anything. > > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has > a > > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their > new SV- > > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' > for me. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by > > > the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar > > > to fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and > > I suspect you don't either. > > Ah...sparaig offers a lesson in compassion. > > Always be willing to overlook ignorance, arrogance and > even outright insanity...as long as it happens to be in > another TM fanatic. Then it's permissible to cut the > guy a break and assume that there just might be a > rational explanation for his outburst...maybe. > > What makes me suspect that we wouldn't be seeing such > compassion if the same sort of thing had been said > by one of the people you consider an "anti-TMer," eh? Hilarious. He'd have said *exactly* the same thing that he just did to Bob. Just can't kick that addiction to fantasy, can ya, Barry? > Gawd...some day you people really have to DEAL with the > self importance thing. Maharishi LIED to you, for decades, > and you believed it. You really AREN'T the most important > and most highly evolved people on the planet. GET OVER IT. Is that what you thought when you were a big deal in the movement, Barry? Did you ever think you might have been lying to *yourself* back then? And that you're still doing it? What totally freaks you out--or would if you could be honest with yourself--is those of us who *aren't* TBs and are still committed *personally* to TM because it's had such good results in our lives. We never thought we were the most important or the most highly evolved people on the planet. We never took ourselves that seriously. It appears you did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you > > knew ... > > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for > details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite > well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had > more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. Either that, or they're displaying the same degree of honesty when telling you these things that they use when telling them to themselves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... That's a trait picked up from Maharishi. Amazing how many people will buy bullshit when you present it as if you "knew." :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > > > anything. > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by > > the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar > > to fools. > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and > I suspect you don't either. Ah...sparaig offers a lesson in compassion. Always be willing to overlook ignorance, arrogance and even outright insanity...as long as it happens to be in another TM fanatic. Then it's permissible to cut the guy a break and assume that there just might be a rational explanation for his outburst...maybe. What makes me suspect that we wouldn't be seeing such compassion if the same sort of thing had been said by one of the people you consider an "anti-TMer," eh? Gawd...some day you people really have to DEAL with the self importance thing. Maharishi LIED to you, for decades, and you believed it. You really AREN'T the most important and most highly evolved people on the planet. GET OVER IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Wow. Bob's a loon. A self-important loon who, fortunately, shows his true colors from time to time so that no one is tempted to take him seriously. There should be a special shelf in the Self Help section for TM fanatics. It would be called, "We're Ok, everyone else is fucked." :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you > > haven't > > > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the > > years, > > > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently > > is > > > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the > > entropy > > > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but > > mostly, the > > > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way > > you > > > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the > > Kingdom of > > > > Heaven these days... > > > > > > > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and > > at > > > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > > > > > > > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the University > > of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so > > far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that > > students are getting these days. Not something that your usual low- > > paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, IMHO. > > > > http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 > > > > I guess they were only good for the first few million meditators, > 20-40,000 teachers and the first few billions in revenue. Now it's > easier... > > JohnY > It's intersting how people can bandy these figures around without ever blinking. 6 million instructed at $400 each = $2.4 billion. Assuming that everyone paid that much, there's still the 50% that went to the local center and TM teacher. $1.2 gross revenues over 50 years isn't exactly the most profitable of international companies. It also doesn't make sense because the most expensive place in the world to learn TM has always been the USA, and greatest wave of initiations was in the mid-70's during the Merv years, where as many as 35,000 people per month were starting, paying about $125 each with half that revenue staying with the local TM center and teacher. $4.4 million a month for a few months, call it a year, in the mid- 70's, just doesn't translate into "billions," even if the rest of the world were learning at the 10x the rate, paying the same amount and no teacher or center was ever paid, we'd only get $44 million per month for 12 months, which STILL doesn't compute. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you > haven't > > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the > years, > > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently > is > > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the > entropy > > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but > mostly, the > > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way > you > > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the > Kingdom of > > > Heaven these days... > > > > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and > at > > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > > > > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the University > of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so > far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that > students are getting these days. Not something that your usual low- > paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, IMHO. > > http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 > I guess they were only good for the first few million meditators, 20-40,000 teachers and the first few billions in revenue. Now it's easier... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... > I've only asked the same questions you did. I didn't ask for details past "how are initiations going?" They said quite well, or something like that, so I assume that they've had more than 1 or 2 initiations in the past couple-three months. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > > > anything. > > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Sorry, it was an honest question. You spoke as though you knew ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > > anything. > > How many each month since the recertification course? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > > regularly. > > > > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But it's Sat Yug. Has been for almost nine months. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > > Heaven these days... > > Maybe we are just going thru a phrase? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Where in Bob's post did he mention persecution, Sunshine? Since he didn't, there is no logic to your comment about witch burnings and public hangings. As Judy might say, you just made it up because you wanted to make his position look bad. You need to be careful with your sarcasm. Pretty soon you will find yourself always saying the opposite of what you really mean even when you're buying groceries. Then you'll probably get carted off somewhere for a full psychological examination and likely end up in the same ward as Sem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's always so refreshing to see how those who are the most > enthusiastic about TM are also those who show such understanding and > open-mindedness to other ways of thinking. Clearly, TM is working for > you. What's the next step...witch burnings? Public hangings? > > Sal > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:31 PM, authfriend wrote: > It's my understanding that MMY was referring > specifically to SSRS's hyperventilation > technique (not, of course, to SSRS himself). > And the phrase was "sugar-coated poison," just > for the record Hmmm. Hadn't heard that slant on it...actually makes more sense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
But it's Sat Yug. Has been for almost nine months. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > Heaven these days... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost > anything. > How many each month since the recertification course? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > > regularly. > I don't know. 1-520-881-0110. Joseph and Denise Gerace. Say 'hi' for me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't > > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, > > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is > > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > > > > > * > > > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > > Heaven these days... > > > > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and at > what cost (and I don't mean just money)? > Time will tell. Check out David Lynch's talk on TM at the University of Washington. He's given about a dozen of these presentations so far, maybe more. This is the quality of introduction to TM that students are getting these days. Not something that your usual low- paid volunteers in an all-volunteer organization are able to do, IMHO. http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=2756 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Can you provide some specifics please? Regularly could mean almost anything. How many each month since the recertification course? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tucson, AZ, one of the smallest "large cities" inthe USA has a > recertified couple, who have just signed the lease for their new SV- > compliant Maharishi Center (not palace), and are teaching TM > regularly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way --
perhaps
> > too
> > > > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has
little
> > > to do
> > > > > with real class, which generally isn't something you can
buy or
> > put a
> > > > > label on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think
is
> > possible,
> > > > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE
does it
> > > right --
> > > > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a
greater
> > > than 50%
> > > > > > probability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
> > > >
> > > > Because they are without class I presume. If you are
conserned
> > about
> > > > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> > > > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
> > a "service"
> > > > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are
optimistic.
> > > >
> > > > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero
probability,
> > though
> > > > it may be low. As you learn when you formally study
probability
> > and
> > > > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign
extreme
> > > > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
> > >
> > > MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in
India
> > > and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
> > > program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after
MMY
> > goes
> > > and probably not from within the current inner circle.
> > >
> >
> > In what way is SSRS more popular?
> >
>
> My understanding is that at least here in the US most of the
teachers
> of SSRS's Sahaj Meditation were previously TM teachers. More popular
> in terms of affordable teaching that works?
More popular with people who are dissatisfied with the TMO as it has
been since they joined SSRS. That's hardly a large,*mainstream*
population to draw conclusions from, IMHO.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the > > value of > > > > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least > > within > > > > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe > > even > > > > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to > > test > > > > > whose loyalty? > > > > > > > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during > > the > > > > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > > > > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, > > let > > > > > alone need to have it tested? > > > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > > > want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by > > > the organisation that you have worked for for years. > > > > > > Disloyalty, what crap. > > > > > > > So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, the guy who is > > willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for the privledge of wearing a > > funny hat and helping to make policy, or the guy who mocks the first > > guy? > > > > We'll see who beats feet and how fast. Time will tell. But results > would be better. Just about every Rajah has been involved witht he TMO for decades, I believe. Thus far, they haven't split. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't > > named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, > > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is > > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > > > > > * > > There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy > now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the > TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate > personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you > can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of > Heaven these days... > He may be doing that Bob, but the question is: For what purpose and at what cost (and I don't mean just money)? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the > > > light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to > > > fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I > > suspect you don't either. > > Mahesh once called SSRS "sweet poison". Not sure if he giggled or > scowled when he said it. Not sure it matters... It's my understanding that MMY was referring specifically to SSRS's hyperventilation technique (not, of course, to SSRS himself). And the phrase was "sugar-coated poison," just for the record. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps
> too
> > > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > > >
> > > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
> > to do
> > > > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or
> put a
> > > > label on.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is
> possible,
> > > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
> > right --
> > > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
> > than 50%
> > > > > probability.
> > > > >
> > > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
> > >
> > > Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned
> about
> > > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> > > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
> a "service"
> > > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
> > >
> > > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability,
> though
> > > it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability
> and
> > > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> > > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
> >
> > MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India
> > and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
> > program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY
> goes
> > and probably not from within the current inner circle.
> >
>
> In what way is SSRS more popular?
>
My understanding is that at least here in the US most of the teachers
of SSRS's Sahaj Meditation were previously TM teachers. More popular
in terms of affordable teaching that works?
JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I often appreciate your point of view which recognizes the > value of > > > > the technique and the notion that some things are at least > within > > > > the realm of the conceivable (if not the practical, or maybe > even > > > > possible), but I have to ask here--whence arrise the need to > test > > > > whose loyalty? > > > > > > > > Why does any governor who had been active *especially* during > the > > > > past 15-20 years or longer need their loyalty tested? > > > > > > > > Why does any ordinary practitioner of TM need loyalty at all, > let > > > > alone need to have it tested? > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he taught > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did not > > want to seem mean. It's such a special feeling to be tossed aside by > > the organisation that you have worked for for years. > > > > Disloyalty, what crap. > > > > So, who is more likely to be loyal to MMY and the TMO, the guy who is > willing to pay $1 million to the TMO for the privledge of wearing a > funny hat and helping to make policy, or the guy who mocks the first > guy? > We'll see who beats feet and how fast. Time will tell. But results would be better. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I suspect > you don't either. Mahesh once called SSRS "sweet poison". Not sure if he giggled or scowled when he said it. Not sure it matters... ...it has been speculated that what M. *really* meant was SSRS was a "sweet poison" to your ignorance or something like that. He poisons your "small self". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Ah, yes, the Darth Shankar theory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > Ah, though we have had some great displays of arrogance today, I think > Bob takes the crown. > Did he pay a million bucks for it though? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > Shrug. I don't know what the poison reference was about, and I suspect you don't either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Yes, the deep compassion is awe-inspiring. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's always so refreshing to see how those who are the most > enthusiastic about TM are also those who show such understanding and > open-mindedness to other ways of thinking. Clearly, TM is working for > you. What's the next step...witch burnings? Public hangings? > > Sal > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
It's all part of the Kalyuga, Anon. Bob can't let his natural light shine through on this forum because all the rest of us wallowing in darkness would be blinded by the blaze. Sal On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:20 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Ah, though we have had some great displays of arrogance today, I think Bob takes the crown.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
It's always so refreshing to see how those who are the most enthusiastic about TM are also those who show such understanding and open-mindedness to other ways of thinking. Clearly, TM is working for you. What's the next step...witch burnings? Public hangings? Sal On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > > > > > > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light > of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Ah, though we have had some great displays of arrogance today, I think Bob takes the crown. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In what way is SSRS more popular? > He's popular among people whose dark auras are offended by the light of TM...the poison SSRS peddles looks like nectar to fools. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Loyal to the TMO, not whatever mystical non-organization you haven't > named. And there have been several schisms already over the years, > including SSRS and Deepak Chopra. As Judy says, MMY apparently is > triggering a final schism while he is still alive in order to > minimize any breakups that happen when he dies. > * There's something to that, along the lines of "shake out the entropy now" instead of letting it accumulate in the movement, but mostly, the TM has to proceed by fits and starts and cater to inadequate personalities because it's the Kaliyuga, and that's the only way you can do business and survive. Ask Jesus about marketing the Kingdom of Heaven these days... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an > > > eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will > > not > > > seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to > > the > > > 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than > > > organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 > > > compared to 1980's. > > > > And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. > > They already do. Didn't you get that siddhi? They fly out much easier once the the stick in your butt is removed -- the one that makes one so rigid and mocking of new things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's > funny > > > hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... > > > > Have the anti-crown crowd, or "its just anarchaic mideval thing" > > observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice > thier > > head wear? > > > > Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an > > eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will > not > > seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to > the > > 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than > > organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 > > compared to 1980's. > > And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. They already do. Didn't you get that siddhi? I can also make them fly out of my mouth. (Yeah, I already know all the "monkey breath" jokes.) I can even make them fly out with jeweled crowns. I wonder. Do people think Norwegians and Thais are out of it and hoplessly wierd because they have a king? And do they think it so so very odd and bizzare that the royalty wear crowns? (I think.) Hereditary rulers in the domain of consciousness is kind of a nice idea IMO. If they can keep collective consciousness clear, bright and progressive, where is the problem? IF the influence of their programs is shown scientifically to have a beneficial effect, the laughter will settle down - and respect will grow. I think some on this list present things far more humorous than rich men wearing crowns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny > > hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... > > Have the anti-crown crowd, or "its just anarchaic mideval thing" > observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier > head wear? > > Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an > eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not > seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the > 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than > organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 > compared to 1980's. And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny > hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... Have the anti-crown crowd, or "its just anarchaic mideval thing" observers, had a face to face with God lately? Or Gods? Notice thier head wear? Perhaps large slanty crowns and head pieces actually reflect an eternal value of virtue and wisdom. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than long hair did in the 60's-- compared to the 40s. Maybe in 10-20 years, it will not seem any more strange than organic foods growing at 20% a year in mainstream america in 2006 compared to 1980's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
"Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis." Have the last word if you wish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" wrote: > > > But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO > > > I said I think there is less than a 10% chance the TMO will be > successful in the "elite" market in ten years. Thats not particularly > "hopeful". Actually, "hope" has nothing to do with it. I don't care > one way or another -- though I am hopeful and somewhat confident > (50/50 probability) that some org will sucessfully tailor programs for > that market. > > >and I have no > > interest in undermining your positivity and trust; > > None to undermine. I am just saying that there is more than a zero > probability that the TMO could be successful in the "elite" market in > ten years. Most posts here assume a zero chance. I think that is > short-sighted and closed-minded. > > >But I just need > > an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. > > Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO I said I think there is less than a 10% chance the TMO will be successful in the "elite" market in ten years. Thats not particularly "hopeful". Actually, "hope" has nothing to do with it. I don't care one way or another -- though I am hopeful and somewhat confident (50/50 probability) that some org will sucessfully tailor programs for that market. >and I have no > interest in undermining your positivity and trust; None to undermine. I am just saying that there is more than a zero probability that the TMO could be successful in the "elite" market in ten years. Most posts here assume a zero chance. I think that is short-sighted and closed-minded. >But I just need > an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. Yes, it sounded more like venting than rational analysis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anon_astute: well lucky you, you are so astute... you are 100% sure > the elite are not penny-pinching ...And you are 100% certain.. etc > etc... > No I don't expect either of us are 100% sure of anything. It's my > opinion, and it's your opinion. That's good enough for me. > > I don't think though the Rajas represent a good focus group. A > political party, for instance, would want a focus group representing > the spectrum of the population, not a group composed of the most > generous party supporters... > > No I wasn't there "in the planning sessions when this unfolded?" > But it's not a minority who think that "the whole unfolding of the > TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and > counterproductive". That is just observable "outcome". > > But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO and I have no > interest in undermining your positivity and trust; But I just need > an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. I used to be positive > & trusting myself.. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" > wrote: > > > > > > Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of > > > their way to save the odd dollar. > > > > Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night > > hotels. > > > > I am not saying they are not looking of a "deal" but its of > theorder > > of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. > > > > > They > > > want also the "badges" of the elite - designer labels etc to > > > demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their > > > appreciation of "quality" and celebrate their "belonging" to a > > > priviledged group. > > > > Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? > > > > > The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may > > > represent "quality" so do other techniques such as Buddhist > ones, > > > now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a > global > > > traditional "culture" of spirituality that is clearly at odds > with > > > the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. > And as > > > others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the > TMO's > > > public image there are not one but a huge number of things that > are > > > off-putting. The TMO is just not "cool", it's downright > embarassing. > > > > And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when > the > > new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in > > premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in > > every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from "elite" > > families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and > > peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? > > > > > If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have > made > > > sense to get elite advice on how to do this. > > > > Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems > > like a darn good focus group to me. > > > > > The reason so many of > > > us are baffled, > > > > the non-elites, right? > > > > > I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and > > > its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. > > > > And you have been there in the planning sessions when this > unfolded? > > You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years > plans > > for the org? > > > > > The > > > only thing that makes any overall sense > > > > sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? > > > > > is the "money-grabbing > > > tunnel-vision" interpretation; > > > > And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision" interpretation? > > > > > and a systematic avoidance of putting > > > the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done > it > > > with his own resources decades ago). > > > > You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs > and > > factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so > > arrogance-free. > > > > >There is too much ignorance and > > > denigration of what good already exists around > > > > around this post? > > > > > - beautiful buildings > > > and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and > visual > > > sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. > > > > > In their place wooden, > > > ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority > > > figures > > > > You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He > > did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, > corgial, > > humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and > down > > to earth. > > > > > > > who seem as unspiritual > > > > again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent > opinion? > > > > >This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In what way is SSRS more popular? I just saw an interview with HHDL on CNN. Quite nice in itself. But in a follow up interview with the DL interviewer, he mentioned "meditation", and said "whether its Transcendental Meditation or any meditation, lots of people are seeking meditation [as part of a "secularly spiritual life"]. Everyone knows the term Transcendental Meditation and TM. How many know the term "Sudarshan Kryia" (one of the main programs of SSRS)? Or if you mention Ravi Shankar and/or AOL -- how many think of SSRS and the Art of Living org, and not "that sitar player", or father of Nora Jones, and America-on-Line? SSRS and AOL may be getting quite popular in india, but I don't see AOL experiencing anything like the SIMS days popularity in the US. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
anon_astute: well lucky you, you are so astute... you are 100% sure the elite are not penny-pinching ...And you are 100% certain.. etc etc... No I don't expect either of us are 100% sure of anything. It's my opinion, and it's your opinion. That's good enough for me. I don't think though the Rajas represent a good focus group. A political party, for instance, would want a focus group representing the spectrum of the population, not a group composed of the most generous party supporters... No I wasn't there "in the planning sessions when this unfolded?" But it's not a minority who think that "the whole unfolding of the TMO and its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive". That is just observable "outcome". But clearly you are more hopeful about the TMO and I have no interest in undermining your positivity and trust; But I just need an outlet for my own sense of disappointment. I used to be positive & trusting myself.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" wrote: > > > > Elites/rich people are typically penny pinchers. They go out of > > their way to save the odd dollar. > > Uh huh. Thats why they shop at Nordstroms and stay at $500 / night > hotels. > > I am not saying they are not looking of a "deal" but its of theorder > of saving 15% on a case of $150/bottle Merlot. > > > They > > want also the "badges" of the elite - designer labels etc to > > demonstrate that money is no object when it comes to show their > > appreciation of "quality" and celebrate their "belonging" to a > > priviledged group. > > Um, but they penny pinch when doing so, right? > > > The trouble, for MMY, is that whilst TM may > > represent "quality" so do other techniques such as Buddhist ones, > > now also boasting scientific validation; moreover there is a global > > traditional "culture" of spirituality that is clearly at odds with > > the materialism of the TMO, which therefore makes it suspect. And as > > others have pointed out, as soon as anyone investigates the TMO's > > public image there are not one but a huge number of things that are > > off-putting. The TMO is just not "cool", it's downright embarassing. > > And you are 100% certain this will be the case in ten years, when the > new wave of Lynch (and other) funded research MAY be published in > premier journals, gorgeous real good-vibe peace palaces MAY be in > every wealthy neighborhood, and neo-TM teachers MAY be from "elite" > families, socialy connected and adept, and dripping with ojas and > peacefulness, doing program 6-8 hours a day? > > > If attracting the elite was the objective then it would have made > > sense to get elite advice on how to do this. > > Um, getting several hundred people willing to pay one million seems > like a darn good focus group to me. > > > The reason so many of > > us are baffled, > > the non-elites, right? > > > I think, is that the whole unfolding of the TMO and > > its activities seems uninformed, mindless and counterproductive. > > And you have been there in the planning sessions when this unfolded? > You are 100% certain there is no substance to M.'s 50-100 years plans > for the org? > > > The > > only thing that makes any overall sense > > sense to to you, right? Not sense in an objective sense,right? > > > is the "money-grabbing > > tunnel-vision" interpretation; > > And yours is NOT a tunnel-vision" interpretation? > > > and a systematic avoidance of putting > > the large pundit groups effect to the test (MMY could have done it > > with his own resources decades ago). > > You know this as 100% certain, and you know all of the tradeoffs and > factors involved inthe decision? Glad to see TM as made you so > arrogance-free. > > >There is too much ignorance and > > denigration of what good already exists around > > around this post? > > > - beautiful buildings > > and cities, democratic principles, human rights, musical and visual > > sophistication, sublime spiritual icons. > > > In their place wooden, > > ridiculous, robotic figures are exaulted as infallible authority > > figures > > You know the rajas personally? Now? I saw a video of Raja Felix. He > did a good job, mannerism wise -- not wooden at all. Bright, corgial, > humerous, relaxed. And his wife was quite beautiful,graceful, and down > to earth. > > > > who seem as unspiritual > > again, you hang with the rajas and have a basis for a cogent opinion? > > >This doesn't seem a good return on such personal investment for > > anyone, let alone an "elite"! > > Well, lucky for you, you are not an elite and won't have to make that > decisions. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he > > taught > > > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did > > not > > > > want to seem mean. > > > > > > Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally > > > considers the teachers who have chosen not to take > > > the "loyalty test" to be disloyal, or whether that's > > > something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies > > > and presented as if it were fact. > > > > > > > There are two loyalty tests: > > > > 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat > > and helping to run the TMO; > > 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently > > bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices > > of the TMO. > > > > or #3, there is no loyalty test, its the figment of some overactive > imaginations. > Sure. But I'm assuing there is SOME rationale for the rajah's funny hats besides MMY's need to be surrounded by kings... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > >
> > > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps
too
> > > > polished for many of our tastes.
> > >
> > > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
> to do
> > > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or
put a
> > > label on.
> >
> >
> > OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is
possible,
> > > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
> right --
> > > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
> than 50%
> > > > probability.
> > > >
> > > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
> >
> > Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned
about
> > my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> > probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
a "service"
> > that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
> >
> > My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability,
though
> > it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability
and
> > risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> > probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
>
> MMY protege Ravi Shankar (pundiji) is now way more popular in India
> and the rest of the world than MMY, so it's possible some neo-TM
> program could emerge someday, but definitely not until after MMY
goes
> and probably not from within the current inner circle.
>
In what way is SSRS more popular?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? > > > > > > > > > > Do you think rajas are like shriner hospitals? I have seen many laugh > > > at shriner circuses though. I'm sure telling people with a newly > > > kindled interest in TM that they actually paid to look like that would > > > definately inspire them to start TM. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > I can imagine you guys as consultants to the catholic church centuries > > past: > > > > "Hey, the public will never go for these robes and crowns and big > > fancy marble churches. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! I mean this church is > > about ministring to the poor. If you put the pope in fancy gowns and > > three foot golden headwear, mark my words, its the END of the Church, > > No spiritually hip person, no elite, no poor will come within 100 > > miles of the church. It will NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! happen! > > > > Uncli, Joyoue and Vaja Consultants > > 432 AD > > That's our point. (1) The TMO is making itself look like a medieval > religion. If it wants to market itself that way it can, but according > to most of the faithful here that's not what the TMO is about. (2) > The Church did lose it's proper focus on the simple teachings of jesus > just as the TMO is losing its focus. > > I think one could argue that the spiritually hip and aware have indeed > avoided the institutional church ever since about 432 AD. > That may be, but the spiritual hip are seldom the monetarily/Power elite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > I think it's worth noting that the concept of "loyalty > > > > test" tends to be promoted here by those who never > > > > became TM teachers. They've never risked *anything* > > > > or put *anything* on the line for the TM movement. > > > > But in their eyes those who have -- for decades -- are > > > > legitimately considered "disloyal" because they can > > > > no longer stomach the never-ending stream of insanity > > > > coming from an insane organization. > > > > > > > I was going to ask Sparaig, when was the last time that he > taught > > > someone, or even dealt with the questions of someone that's > > > interested, or even tried to explain the price of TM. But I did > not > > > want to seem mean. > > > > Suggestion: First ask Lawson whether he personally > > considers the teachers who have chosen not to take > > the "loyalty test" to be disloyal, or whether that's > > something Barry dredged up from his own sour fantasies > > and presented as if it were fact. > > > > There are two loyalty tests: > > 1) paying a million dollars for the privledge of wearing a funny hat > and helping to run the TMO; > 2) accepting the requirement of recertification (and apparently > bowing to the Rajahs) before going out to teach TM under the auspices > of the TMO. > or #3, there is no loyalty test, its the figment of some overactive imaginations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:51 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >
> > > MMY actually does a lot of things in a classy way -- perhaps
too
> > > polished for many of our tastes.
> >
> > Sterile, elitist and completely removed from reality has little
to do
> > with real class, which generally isn't something you can buy or
put a
> > label on.
>
>
> OK, you don't look like one of the target customers.
>
>
True enough. If TM *IS* a valid, "mechanical" spiritual technique,
the attitude of the student, aside from being willing to practice it,
is unimportant. However, people who are impressed by sterile, elitist
organizations who happen to have lots of money, influence, etc, are
among the ones who most need to practice a "valid" spiritual
technique.
> >
> > > But that he or his "team" eventually
> > > are the ones that do IT right within 10 years, I think is
possible,
> > > but probably less than 10% probability. That SOMEONE does it
right --
> > > with M. type prices, within 10 years, I think has a greater
than 50%
> > > probability.
> > >
> > I'd stay away from the casinos at Vegas if I were you.
>
> Because they are without class I presume. If you are conserned about
> my probabilities, are you thinking that its a greater than 10%
> probability that the ne0-TMO will be able to put together
a "service"
> that appeals to those making > $300k ? Wow. you are optimistic.
>
> My point has been that the above is not a non-zero probability,
though
> it may be low. As you learn when you formally study probability and
> risk, most people are quite prone to incorrectly assign extreme
> probabilities e.g., ("It will never happen").
>
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