Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
The fetus is right-side-up until shortly before labor begins and then it turns upsidedown. --- Premanand Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman > > There are two published translations of the Hindi > biography of Guru > Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing > The Real Thing' > which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a > precise translation) > into English of material previously only available > in Hindi. Raj > Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts > about a Great > Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of > many of the > stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time > spent in the womb > is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is > revealing:- > > "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you > womenfolk. How > shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary > confinement in a > dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those > days. That is the > reason why I have lost all desire for your company." > TWTTRT > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine > months. What was my > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was > tightly bounded from > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. > In this > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those > days, I still > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the > least desire to be > in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS > > Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, > the more accurate, > is free of the criticism that he was treated > 'shabbily' which colours > the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking > friends, I offer > Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram > publication:- > > "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us > samay meri kaisi > dasha thi! ulate yange the, bandhanon men jakadaa > tha kashta ka > paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men > nau mahine bit > gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii > karana hai ki aap > logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." > > 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- > " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa > . usa samaya > merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , > bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa > thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara > malamuutra ke > bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe > aaja bhii nahiiM > bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke > samparka kii ichchhaa > nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > > But would like to suggest this. > > > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff > from India, which > > was > > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him > not to do that and > > not to distribute. > > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged > on the inner level > > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or > responsibility...) > > > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was > limited. > > One was your quote about being nine months upside > down in a woman. > > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. > Every woman, if > > she had the choice, would hold the child nine > months to her heart. > > As far as I know, that is the design of.. I > forgot, really... > > > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be > whorshipped, since the > > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our > time. > > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > > competence. Not written somewhere > > > > As I wrote to Premanand: > > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we > are here to > > unfold it, even improve it. > > like math or space science, or whatever > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
> > > > I believe the umbilical cord delivers nutrients and > > carries away wastes, does it not? Fetuses surely do > > not void in utero. > > They may do so close to birth. I know people whose babies had serious > medical problems from getting feces in their lungs. Our daughter had a bowel movement just prior to birth. We went from one or two assistants in the hospital delivery room to 8 or 9. Everything went okay, but we were glad to have the help and I'm sure it made a difference. I guess if people opt for the in home setting, or some place more "natural", and a complication like this comes up, it could be quite scary. We took a non interventionist, yet fairly standard hospital delivery scenario. I question what really is gained from some of the "new age" birth methods. lurk > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
on 2/5/06 11:24 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Comments interleaved below. > > -- Premanand Paul Mason wrote: >> >> The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement >> and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months >> he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to >> include mention of this remark. > > I believe the umbilical cord delivers nutrients and > carries away wastes, does it not? Fetuses surely do > not void in utero. They may do so close to birth. I know people whose babies had serious medical problems from getting feces in their lungs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it > would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi > text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within the > text. I say this as I note that neither of the translaters have > properly translated the phrase 'isa prakaara malamuutra ke bhaa.NDa > meM nau mahiine biita gaye' > The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement > and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months > he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to > include mention of this remark. >+++ He should have waited till after the birth to inhabit the body- could have saved himself the problem and ended up with a better attitude. N. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman > > > > There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru > > Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' > > which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) > > into English of material previously only available in Hindi. Raj > > Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts about a Great > > Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of many of the > > stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time spent in the > womb > > is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is revealing:- > > > > "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you womenfolk. How > > shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary confinement in > a > > dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those days. That is the > > reason why I have lost all desire for your company." TWTTRT > > > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my > > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from > > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this > > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still > > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to > be > > in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS > > > > Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, the more accurate, > > is free of the criticism that Guru Dev was treated 'shabbily', > which > > colours the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking > friends, > > I offer Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram publication:- > > > > "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us samay meri kaisi > > dasha thi! ulate tange the, bandhanon men jakadaa tha kashta ka > > paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men nau mahine bit > > gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii karana hai ki aap > > logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." > > > > 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- > > " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa . usa samaya > > merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa > > thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara malamuutra ke > > bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe aaja bhii nahiiM > > bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke samparka kii ichchhaa > > nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > > > But would like to suggest this. > > > > > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, > which > > > was > > > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that > and > > > not to distribute. > > > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner > level > > > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or responsibility...) > > > > > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was limited. > > > One was your quote about being nine months upside down in a woman. > > > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. Every woman, if > > > she had the choice, would hold the child nine months to her heart. > > > As far as I know, that is the design of.. I forgot, really... > > > > > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be whorshipped, since > the > > > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > > > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our time. > > > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > > > competence. Not written somewhere > > > > > > As I wrote to Premanand: > > > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we are here to > > > unfold it, even improve it. > > > like math or space science, or whatever > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM -
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
I tend to agree with you. Guru Dev was definitely up for a joke - listen to the satsangs, his audience are almost wetting themselves. I played the longer one to a Hindi-speaking Indian friend, she just kept guffawing and ho-ho-ing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comments interleaved below. > > -- Premanand Paul Mason wrote: > > > > The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement > > and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months > > he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to > > include mention of this remark. > > I believe the umbilical cord delivers nutrients and > carries away wastes, does it not? Fetuses surely do > not void in utero. > > > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my > > > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from > > > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this > > > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still > > > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to > > be in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS > > Sounds like a joke. Harsh humor, to be sure, but a joke nonetheless. > Otherwise, I'm to believe that someone I'm told was very compassionate > is holding a grudge against all womankind for having to be born > of woman? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
Comments interleaved below. -- Premanand Paul Mason wrote: > > The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement > and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months > he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to > include mention of this remark. I believe the umbilical cord delivers nutrients and carries away wastes, does it not? Fetuses surely do not void in utero. > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my > > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from > > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this > > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still > > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to > be in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS Sounds like a joke. Harsh humor, to be sure, but a joke nonetheless. Otherwise, I'm to believe that someone I'm told was very compassionate is holding a grudge against all womankind for having to be born of woman? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within the text. I say this as I note that neither of the translaters have properly translated the phrase 'isa prakaara malamuutra ke bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye' The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to include mention of this remark. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman > > There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru > Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' > which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) > into English of material previously only available in Hindi. Raj > Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts about a Great > Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of many of the > stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time spent in the womb > is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is revealing:- > > "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you womenfolk. How > shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary confinement in a > dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those days. That is the > reason why I have lost all desire for your company." TWTTRT > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to be > in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS > > Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, the more accurate, > is free of the criticism that Guru Dev was treated 'shabbily', which > colours the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking friends, > I offer Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram publication:- > > "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us samay meri kaisi > dasha thi! ulate tange the, bandhanon men jakadaa tha kashta ka > paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men nau mahine bit > gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii karana hai ki aap > logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." > > 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- > " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa . usa samaya > merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa > thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara malamuutra ke > bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe aaja bhii nahiiM > bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke samparka kii ichchhaa > nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > > But would like to suggest this. > > > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, which > > was > > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that and > > not to distribute. > > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner level > > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or responsibility...) > > > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was limited. > > One was your quote about being nine months upside down in a woman. > > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. Every woman, if > > she had the choice, would hold the child nine months to her heart. > > As far as I know, that is the design of.. I forgot, really... > > > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be whorshipped, since the > > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our time. > > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > > competence. Not written somewhere > > > > As I wrote to Premanand: > > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we are here to > > unfold it, even improve it. > > like math or space science, or whatever > > > > cheers > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/term
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) into English of material previously only available in Hindi. Raj Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts about a Great Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of many of the stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time spent in the womb is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is revealing:- "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you womenfolk. How shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary confinement in a dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those days. That is the reason why I have lost all desire for your company." TWTTRT "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to be in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, the more accurate, is free of the criticism that Guru Dev was treated 'shabbily', which colours the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking friends, I offer Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram publication:- "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us samay meri kaisi dasha thi! ulate tange the, bandhanon men jakadaa tha kashta ka paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men nau mahine bit gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii karana hai ki aap logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa . usa samaya merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara malamuutra ke bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe aaja bhii nahiiM bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke samparka kii ichchhaa nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > But would like to suggest this. > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, which > was > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that and > not to distribute. > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner level > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or responsibility...) > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was limited. > One was your quote about being nine months upside down in a woman. > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. Every woman, if > she had the choice, would hold the child nine months to her heart. > As far as I know, that is the design of.. I forgot, really... > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be whorshipped, since the > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our time. > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > competence. Not written somewhere > > As I wrote to Premanand: > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we are here to > unfold it, even improve it. > like math or space science, or whatever > > cheers > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) into English of material previously only available in Hindi. Raj Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts about a Great Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of many of the stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time spent in the womb is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is revealing:- "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you womenfolk. How shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary confinement in a dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those days. That is the reason why I have lost all desire for your company." TWTTRT "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to be in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, the more accurate, is free of the criticism that he was treated 'shabbily' which colours the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking friends, I offer Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram publication:- "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us samay meri kaisi dasha thi! ulate yange the, bandhanon men jakadaa tha kashta ka paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men nau mahine bit gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii karana hai ki aap logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa . usa samaya merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara malamuutra ke bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe aaja bhii nahiiM bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke samparka kii ichchhaa nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > But would like to suggest this. > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, which > was > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that and > not to distribute. > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner level > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or responsibility...) > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was limited. > One was your quote about being nine months upside down in a woman. > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. Every woman, if > she had the choice, would hold the child nine months to her heart. > As far as I know, that is the design of.. I forgot, really... > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be whorshipped, since the > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our time. > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > competence. Not written somewhere > > As I wrote to Premanand: > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we are here to > unfold it, even improve it. > like math or space science, or whatever > > cheers > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD
It amazes me that it is said that MMY inhibited the free flow of
publication of Guru Dev's 'sermons'. After all, it was he who put
together a book of quotations for publication ('Amrit Kana') and also
announced:-
"I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that
his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and
corner of our country and abroad."
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm
Anyone got any of these "sermons by GD"?
If uneasy about sharing them publicly please email on the side.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL.
> But would like to suggest this.
>
> In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, which
> was
> "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that and
> not to distribute.
> He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner level
> by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or responsibility...)
>
> On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was limited.
> One was your quote about being nine months upside down in a woman.
> But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. Every woman, if
> she had the choice, would hold the child nine months to her heart.
> As far as I know, that is the design of.. I forgot, really...
>
> 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be whorshipped, since the
> vedas accepted that for a teacher.
> This is nice, but for me not adequate for our time.
> Authority is based (for me) either on love or
> competence. Not written somewhere
>
> As I wrote to Premanand:
> If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we are here to
> unfold it, even improve it.
> like math or space science, or whatever
>
> cheers
>
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