[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >   
> > 
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> 
> "Pope Francis calls for action on clerical sex abuse"
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22043312
>  
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > >

Yep, movement on Women's rights seem happening everywhere.
"Women seek more Western Wall rights"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22103508

 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > >   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
> > > > > > > > > achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and 
> > > > > > > > > > > mental torture.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back 
> > > > > > > > > > > to Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's 
> > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
> > > > > > > > > > > with him.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her 
> > > > > > > > > > > husband take her along
> > > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
> > > > > > > > > > > star hotel was
> > > > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma woul

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   
> > And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  
> > There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in 
> > charge
> >
> 
> Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still out 
> of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in 
> India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally subdued 
> with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on.   
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > the guy at the top.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > 
> > > > >

"Pope Francis calls for action on clerical sex abuse"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22043312
 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, 
> > > > > > > after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
> > > > > > > > > > with him.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband 
> > > > > > > > > > take her along
> > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
> > > > > > > > > > star hotel was
> > > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband 
> > > > > > > > > > away on errands
> > > > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism 
> > > > > > > > > > but when it
> > > > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided 
> > > > > > > > > > to file a
> > > > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[merudanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Z1nu_8IQd78&NR=1
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Z1nu_8IQd78&NR=1>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Meditate,Worship the Unified Field.
> Seek beauty;
> Give service, &
> Knowledge pursue.
> Be trustworthy ever, in all that you do.
> Hold fast onto health,
> And your work glorify,
> And you will be happy, in the law of the Unified Field.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yea, I finally got a chance to reread it as well, and I think it was
an
> > easy mistake to make on my part. Thanks for the acknowledgement.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Rereading my original post I can see how you would think I was
> > referring to Girish - but I was referring to Marshy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________
> > > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
harassment
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed. 
Now
> > let me make sure I have it straight.  Bevan and the rest had to
know
> > what Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged
> > activities.  You are speaking of this as though you have first
hand
> > knowledge of this.  An is it okay for me to use the word
"alleged",
> > or is that just some old fashioned western concept.
> > > And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi
was a
> > typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore
declare
> > that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a
clickable
> > link I might add). Â
> > > I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in
> > positions of authority in the TMO.  I think that would be well
to be
> > remedied if the movement can survive, but to take that fact
and
> > therefore draw the conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and
a
> > stretch.
> > > But let's be real.  That is your usual method of operation.
> > > And may I anticipate your retort.
> > > "To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real
> > TMO, there is little hope you can climb out of you naive
perceptions."
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and
all
> > the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to,
they
> > condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people
> > financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his
"legacy" -
> > they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake
master
> > at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior -
nothing
> > else.
> > > >
> > > > There never have been and never will be women in positions of
power
> > in the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly
> > typical male Hindu
> > > > views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me,
let's
> > see what some Indian women have to say on the matter:
> > > >
> > > > "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is
as
> > > > natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe
> > fasts,
> > > > bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished,
penis-laden
> > > > offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened
with
> > the
> > > > debit side of the accountâ€"the girl child. For burden
she
> > isâ€"practically
> > > > every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a
few
> > > > areas where matrilineal systems existâ€"must be familiar
with
> > the idea
> > > > that a girl is â€Å"paraya dhan,â€�â€"the
> > treasure of another’s home. Exiled at
> > > > birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her
> > â€Å"true� family.
> > > > The word â€Å"treasure� should not fool us. We
are
> > commodities, chattel,
> > > > goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s
family
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

Meditate,Worship the Unified Field.
Seek beauty;
Give service, &
Knowledge pursue.
Be trustworthy ever, in all that you do.
Hold fast onto health,
And your work glorify,
And you will be happy, in the law of the Unified Field. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> Yea, I finally got a chance to reread it as well, and I think it was an
> easy mistake to make on my part. Thanks for the acknowledgement.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Rereading my original post I can see how you would think I was
> referring to Girish - but I was referring to Marshy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed.  Now
> let me make sure I have it straight.  Bevan and the rest had to know
> what Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged
> activities.  You are speaking of this as though you have first hand
> knowledge of this.  An is it okay for me to use the word "alleged",
> or is that just some old fashioned western concept.
> > And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a
> typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare
> that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable
> link I might add). Â
> > I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in
> positions of authority in the TMO.  I think that would be well to be
> remedied if the movement can survive, but to take that fact and
> therefore draw the conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and a
> stretch.
> > But let's be real.  That is your usual method of operation.
> > And may I anticipate your retort.
> > "To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real
> TMO, there is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions."
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all
> the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they
> condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people
> financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" -
> they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake master
> at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior - nothing
> else.
> > >
> > > There never have been and never will be women in positions of power
> in the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly
> typical male Hindu
> > > views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's
> see what some Indian women have to say on the matter:
> > >
> > > "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as
> > > natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe
> fasts,
> > > bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden
> > > offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with
> the
> > > debit side of the accountâ€"the girl child. For burden she
> isâ€"practically
> > > every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few
> > > areas where matrilineal systems existâ€"must be familiar with
> the idea
> > > that a girl is â€Å"paraya dhan,â€�â€"the
> treasure of another’s home. Exiled at
> > > birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her
> â€Å"true� family.
> > > The word â€Å"treasure� should not fool us. We are
> commodities, chattel,
> > > goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family
> for the favor of taking the girl child off our sinful hands?"
> > >
> > > from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that
> > > women are there to serve them however they please. This is only
> echoed
> > > in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west,
> in
> > > which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually
> > > harassing the principal female character into submission. In the
> world
> > > of Indian melodramas, a &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[seventhray27]

Yea, I finally got a chance to reread it as well, and I think it was an
easy mistake to make on my part. Thanks for the acknowledgement.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> Rereading my original post I can see how you would think I was
referring to Girish - but I was referring to Marshy
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>
>
> Â
> Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed.  Now
let me make sure I have it straight.  Bevan and the rest had to know
what Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged
activities.  You are speaking of this as though you have first hand
knowledge of this.  An is it okay for me to use the word "alleged",
or is that just some old fashioned western concept.
> And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a
typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare
that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable
link I might add). Â
> I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in
positions of authority in the TMO.  I think that would be well to be
remedied if the movement can survive, but to take that fact and
therefore draw the conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and a
stretch.
> But let's be real.  That is your usual method of operation.
> And may I anticipate your retort.
> "To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real
TMO, there is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions."
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
> >
> > I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all
the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they
condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people
financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" -
they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake master
at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior - nothing
else.
> >
> > There never have been and never will be women in positions of power
in the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly
typical male Hindu
> > views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's
see what some Indian women have to say on the matter:
> >
> > "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as
> > natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe
fasts,
> > bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden
> > offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with
the
> > debit side of the accountâ€"the girl child. For burden she
isâ€"practically
> > every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few
> > areas where matrilineal systems existâ€"must be familiar with
the idea
> > that a girl is â€Å"paraya dhan,â€�â€"the
treasure of another’s home. Exiled at
> > birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her
â€Å"true� family.
> > The word â€Å"treasure� should not fool us. We are
commodities, chattel,
> > goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family
for the favor of taking the girl child off our sinful hands?"
> >
> > from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529
> >
> >
> > "Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that
> > women are there to serve them however they please. This is only
echoed
> > in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west,
in
> > which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually
> > harassing the principal female character into submission. In the
world
> > of Indian melodramas, a "no" will inevitably turn to a "yes" after a
few song and dance routines in the rain, of course.
> >
> > Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major
political party has candidates that have been charged with crimes
> > against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally,
Indian jurisprudence sanctions a "virginity test" to determine the
credibility of the victim's statement. In the test, a
> > doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the
> > presence or absence of the hymen and the general "laxity" of the
vagina, and presumably, the victim herself."
> > From the page:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/worl

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[srijau]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > 
> > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall 
> > back.
> > 
> > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > is he?
> > 
> > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News 
> > magazine.
> >
> 
> 
> What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story 
> seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish Varma".  He 
> comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation, extortion, 
> attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star Hotels. Other 
> women come forward.
There is no "other woman come forward" this is not so. Show here even one news 
article to even indicate such a thing. Its all the same accuser.

  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus. 
> 
> The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM 
> Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated with him?
> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
>  
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> > > > there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around 
> > > > > it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme 
> > > > > propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is 
> > > > > disheartening sickening.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > > > > alleging
> > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > > > > errands
> > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file 
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's 
> > > > > > > image on
> > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

Rereading my original post I can see how you would think I was referring to 
Girish - but I was referring to Marshy





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  
Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed.  Now let me make 
sure I have it straight.  Bevan and the rest had to know what Girish was up to, 
and they aided and abetted all his alleged activities.  You are speaking of 
this as though you have first hand knowledge of this.  An is it okay for me to 
use the word "alleged", or is that just some old fashioned western concept.
And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a typical male 
Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare that he embraces all 
attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable link I might add).  
I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in positions of 
authority in the TMO.  I think that would be well to be remedied if the 
movement can survive, but to take that fact and therefore draw the conclusions 
you make I think is unwarranted, and a stretch.
But let's be real.  That is your usual method of operation.
And may I anticipate your retort. 
"To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real TMO, there 
is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all the rest 
> who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they condoned and 
> abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people financially, so in that 
> sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" - they Girish is a Marshy 
> student who learned the tricks of a fake master at his uncle's knee - its is 
> just more of the same behavior - nothing else. 
> 
> There never have been and never will be women in positions of power in the TM 
> Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly typical male Hindu
> views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's see what 
> some Indian women have to say on the matter:
> 
> "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as 
> natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe fasts, 
> bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden 
> offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with the 
> debit side of the accountâ€"the girl child. For burden she isâ€"practically 
> every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few 
> areas where matrilineal systems existâ€"must be familiar with the idea 
> that a girl is “paraya dhan,â€�â€"the treasure of another’s home. Exiled 
> at 
> birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her “true� family. 
> The word “treasure� should not fool us. We are commodities, chattel, 
> goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family for the favor of 
> taking the girl child off our sinful hands?"
> 
> from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529
> 
> 
> "Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that 
> women are there to serve them however they please. This is only echoed 
> in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west, in 
> which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually 
> harassing the principal female character into submission. In the world 
> of Indian melodramas, a "no" will inevitably turn to a "yes" after a few song 
> and dance routines in the rain, of course. 
> 
> Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major political party 
> has candidates that have been charged with crimes 
> against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally, Indian 
> jurisprudence sanctions a "virginity test" to determine the credibility of 
> the victim's statement. In the test, a 
> doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the 
> presence or absence of the hymen and the general "laxity" of the vagina, and 
> presumably, the victim herself." 
> From the page: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Susan wayback71@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroup

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[seventhray27]

Bravo Michael! I was wondering when you'd get up to speed.  Now let me
make sure I have it straight.  Bevan and the rest had to know what
Girish was up to, and they aided and abetted all his alleged activities.
You are speaking of this as though you have first hand knowledge of
this.  An is it okay for me to use the word "alleged", or is that just
some old fashioned western concept.

And, would it be a bit of fallacy to declare that Maharishi was a
typical male Hindu and therefore misogynisitic and therefore declare
that he embraces all attributes you have in quotes, (without a clickable
link I might add).

I cannot take issue with the fact that there are no woman in positions
of authority in the TMO.  I think that would be well to be remedied if
the movement can survive, but to take that fact and therefore draw the
conclusions you make I think is unwarranted, and a stretch.

But let's be real.  That is your usual method of operation.

And may I anticipate your retort.

"To seventhray and all those who are in deep denial about the real TMO,
there is little hope you can climb out of you naive perceptions."

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all
the rest who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they
condoned and abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people
financially, so in that sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" -
they Girish is a Marshy student who learned the tricks of a fake master
at his uncle's knee - its is just more of the same behavior - nothing
else.
>
> There never have been and never will be women in positions of power in
the TM Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly
typical male Hindu
> views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's see
what some Indian women have to say on the matter:
>
> "For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as
> natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe
fasts,
> bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden
> offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with
the
> debit side of the accountâ€"the girl child. For burden she
isâ€"practically
> every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few
> areas where matrilineal systems existâ€"must be familiar with the
idea
> that a girl is “paraya dhan,”â€"the treasure of
another’s home. Exiled at
> birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her
“true” family.
> The word “treasure” should not fool us. We are
commodities, chattel,
> goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family for the
favor of taking the girl child off our sinful hands?"
>
> from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529
>
>
> "Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that
> women are there to serve them however they please. This is only echoed
> in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west, in
> which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually
> harassing the principal female character into submission. In the world
> of Indian melodramas, a "no" will inevitably turn to a "yes" after a
few song and dance routines in the rain, of course.
>
> Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major political
party has candidates that have been charged with crimes
> against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally,
Indian jurisprudence sanctions a "virginity test" to determine the
credibility of the victim's statement. In the test, a
> doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the
> presence or absence of the hymen and the general "laxity" of the
vagina, and presumably, the victim herself."
> From the page: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Susan wayback71@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
> >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, &qu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

I think you are looking through gold tinted glasses - Bevan and all the rest 
who were close to Marshy had to know what he was up to, they condoned and 
abetted his womanizing, lying and defrauding people financially, so in that 
sense they are good custodians of his "legacy" - they Girish is a Marshy 
student who learned the tricks of a fake master at his uncle's knee - its is 
just more of the same behavior - nothing else. 

There never have been and never will be women in positions of power in the TM 
Movement because Marshy was a misogynistic man with fairly typical male Hindu
 views of women (kitchen and bedroom), but don't believe me, let's see what 
some Indian women have to say on the matter:

"For Indians, girls are a burden; the desire for male progeny is as 
natural to us as breathing. We utter prayers, make vows, observe fasts, 
bow before this or that divinity all for the cherished, penis-laden 
offspring, all so that we may not remain childless or burdened with the 
debit side of the account—the girl child. For burden she is—practically 
every Indian, in almost every single region of India, barring a few 
areas where matrilineal systems exist—must be familiar with the idea 
that a girl is “paraya dhan,”—the treasure of another’s home. Exiled at 
birth, she already belongs to her in-laws, who are her “true” family. 
The word “treasure” should not fool us. We are commodities, chattel, 
goods. Why else would we have to pay a groom’s family for the favor of taking 
the girl child off our sinful hands?"

from this page: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8529


"Sons are taught that they are a blessing to be cherished and that 
women are there to serve them however they please. This is only echoed 
in Bollywood films, which are regrettably romanticized by the west, in 
which male protagonists depict their sexual prowess by sexually 
harassing the principal female character into submission. In the world 
of Indian melodramas, a "no" will inevitably turn to a "yes" after a few song 
and dance routines in the rain, of course. 

Women have no ally in the legislature either, as every major political party 
has candidates that have been charged with crimes 
against women, ranging from domestic abuse to rape. Additionally, Indian 
jurisprudence sanctions a "virginity test" to determine the credibility of the 
victim's statement. In the test, a 
doctor inserts two fingers into the woman's vagina to determine the 
presence or absence of the hymen and the general "laxity" of the vagina, and 
presumably, the victim herself." 
>From the page: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/misogyny-india




____
 From: Susan 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
> harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > >
> > > > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > > > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > > > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall
> > > > back.
> > > >
> > > > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > > > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > > > is he?
> > > >
> > > > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > > > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News
> > > > magazine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish
> story seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish
> Varma".  He comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation,
> extortion, attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star
> Hotels. Other women come forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus.
> > >
> > > The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him
> and TM Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
> harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > >
> > > > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > > > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > > > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall
> > > > back.
> > > >
> > > > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > > > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > > > is he?
> > > >
> > > > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > > > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News
> > > > magazine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish
> story seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish
> Varma".  He comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation,
> extortion, attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star
> Hotels. Other women come forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus.
> > >
> > > The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him
> and TM Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated
> with him?
> > >
> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
> ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
> > >
> > Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down.  At the very least, there
> will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if
> there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). 
> Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the
> Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are
> lessons to be learned.  It could be that TM-USA will separate from
> India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of
> education..  Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the
> scientific research part.
> > Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think
> that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried.
> >
> 
> 
> Susan,  Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of
> Directors list is thinking a lot about this.  Notice there are no women
> on our SBS Foundation Board:
> 
> 
> 
> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
> ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
>  wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/>
> 
> * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol – Educator
> Ramat-Gan, Israel
> * John H. Black, M.A. – Educator
> Palo Alto, CA, USA
> * Rafael David – Business Entrepreneur
> Vero Beach, FL, USA
> * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. – Educator
> Boston, MA , USA
> * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. – Business Entrepreneur
> Boone, NC, USA
> * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey – Retired Businessman
> London, England
> * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA – Retired Real Estate Manager
> Palo Alto, CA, USA
> * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. – Educator
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Harris Kaplan – Retired Investment Fund Manager
> Boone, NC, USA
> * Steve Rubin – Retired Businessman
> Sebastian, FL, USA
> * John Hagelin. Ph.D. – Quantum Physicist and Educator
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * John Fagan. Ph.D. – Research Scientist and Activist
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D.  – Administrator and Educator
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. – Medical Doctor
> Verona, Italy
> * Robert LoPinto – Retired Businessman
> Rockville, MD, USA
> * Thomas Elijah Stanley –Philanthropist
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. –Mayor
> Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA
> * Charoen-Rajapark – Businessman
> Bangkok, Thailand
> * Paul Potter – Educator
> New York, USA
> * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D – Scientist and Educator
> Champaign, IL, USA
> * Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA – Accountant and Businessman
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Emanuel Schiffgens – Administrator
> Hannover, Germany
> * Kingsley Brooks, M.A. – Administrator
> Lincoln, MA, USA
> * Bjarne Steffen Landsfeldt – Administrator
> Mausing, Kjellerup, Denmark
> * Willem Meijles, Ph.D. – Administrator
> Vlodrop, The Netherlands
> * Antonio Bartolomé Menéndez – Businessman
> Banastás, Huesca, Spain
> * Mariano Facipieri – Businessman
> Baschi, Italy
> * Jose Luis Alvares Roset – Administrator
> Barcelona, Spain
> * John Carol Konhaus – Agriculturalist and Administrator
> Nasu, Japan
> * Felix Urs Kägi – Administrator
> Zürich, Switzerland
> * James Rogers Badgett Jr. – Businessman
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Peter War

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
> harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > >
> > > > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > > > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > > > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall
> > > > back.
> > > >
> > > > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > > > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > > > is he?
> > > >
> > > > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > > > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News
> > > > magazine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish
> story seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish
> Varma".  He comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation,
> extortion, attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star
> Hotels. Other women come forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus.
> > >
> > > The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him
> and TM Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated
> with him?
> > >
> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
> ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
> > >
> > Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down.  At the very least, there
> will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if
> there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). 
> Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the
> Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are
> lessons to be learned.  It could be that TM-USA will separate from
> India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of
> education..  Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the
> scientific research part.
> > Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think
> that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried.
> >
> 
> 
> Susan,  Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of
> Directors list is thinking a lot about this.  Notice there are no women
> on our SBS Foundation Board:

Yes, there are no women.  Because I believe that MMY did not want them on the 
board, right?  It would be a real shame if the actions of one or a few undid 
all the years of genuine devotion on the part of many on this list, and Tony 
and John and Bevan. Whether you like them or not, they are devotees and have, 
imo, worked hard to make MMY"s ideas a reality.
Probably after MMY died they had serious misgivings about Girish and wanted 
to remove him, but they waited knowing MMY had picked him.  Graft can happen 
anywhere, but I think organizations that are more mature have learned to have 
committees and oversight at every stage, especially when it comes to money 
issues. The temptation is just so great. And then there is the sex issue.  
Tough one, that.
> 
> 
> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
> ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
>  wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/>
> 
> * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol – Educator
> Ramat-Gan, Israel
> * John H. Black, M.A. – Educator
> Palo Alto, CA, USA
> * Rafael David – Business Entrepreneur
> Vero Beach, FL, USA
> * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. – Educator
> Boston, MA , USA
> * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. – Business Entrepreneur
> Boone, NC, USA
> * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey – Retired Businessman
> London, England
> * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA – Retired Real Estate Manager
> Palo Alto, CA, USA
> * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. – Educator
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Harris Kaplan – Retired Investment Fund Manager
> Boone, NC, USA
> * Steve Rubin – Retired Businessman
> Sebastian, FL, USA
> * John Hagelin. Ph.D. – Quantum Physicist and Educator
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * John Fagan. Ph.D. – Research Scientist and Activist
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D.  – Administrator and Educator
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. – Medical Doctor
> Verona, Italy
> * Robert LoPinto – Retired Businessman
> Rockville, MD, USA
> * Thomas Elijah Stanley –Philanthropist
> Fairfield, IA, USA
> * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. –Mayor
> Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA
> * Charoen-Rajapark – Businessman
> Bangkok, Thailand
> * Paul Potter – Educator
> New York, USA
> * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D – Scien

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > >
> > > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall
> > > back.
> > >
> > > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > > is he?
> > >
> > > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News
> > > magazine.
> > >
> >
> >
> > What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish
story seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish
Varma".  He comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation,
extortion, attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star
Hotels. Other women come forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus.
> >
> > The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him
and TM Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated
with him?
> >
http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
> >
> Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down.  At the very least, there
will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if
there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). 
Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the
Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are
lessons to be learned.  It could be that TM-USA will separate from
India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of
education..  Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the
scientific research part.
> Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think
that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried.
>


Susan,  Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of
Directors list is thinking a lot about this.  Notice there are no women
on our SBS Foundation Board:



http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\
ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/


* Avinoam Shlomo Barkol – Educator
Ramat-Gan, Israel
* John H. Black, M.A. – Educator
Palo Alto, CA, USA
* Rafael David – Business Entrepreneur
Vero Beach, FL, USA
* Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. – Educator
Boston, MA , USA
* James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. – Business Entrepreneur
Boone, NC, USA
* Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey – Retired Businessman
London, England
* Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA – Retired Real Estate Manager
Palo Alto, CA, USA
* Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. – Educator
Fairfield, IA, USA
* Harris Kaplan – Retired Investment Fund Manager
Boone, NC, USA
* Steve Rubin – Retired Businessman
Sebastian, FL, USA
* John Hagelin. Ph.D. – Quantum Physicist and Educator
Fairfield, IA, USA
* John Fagan. Ph.D. – Research Scientist and Activist
Fairfield, IA, USA
* Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D.  – Administrator and Educator
Fairfield, IA, USA
* Ior Guglielmi, M.D. – Medical Doctor
Verona, Italy
* Robert LoPinto – Retired Businessman
Rockville, MD, USA
* Thomas Elijah Stanley –Philanthropist
Fairfield, IA, USA
* Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. –Mayor
Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA
* Charoen-Rajapark – Businessman
Bangkok, Thailand
* Paul Potter – Educator
New York, USA
* Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D – Scientist and Educator
Champaign, IL, USA
* Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA – Accountant and Businessman
Fairfield, IA, USA
* Emanuel Schiffgens – Administrator
Hannover, Germany
* Kingsley Brooks, M.A. – Administrator
Lincoln, MA, USA
* Bjarne Steffen Landsfeldt – Administrator
Mausing, Kjellerup, Denmark
* Willem Meijles, Ph.D. – Administrator
Vlodrop, The Netherlands
* Antonio Bartolomé Menéndez – Businessman
Banastás, Huesca, Spain
* Mariano Facipieri – Businessman
Baschi, Italy
* Jose Luis Alvares Roset – Administrator
Barcelona, Spain
* John Carol Konhaus – Agriculturalist and Administrator
Nasu, Japan
* Felix Urs Kägi – Administrator
Zürich, Switzerland
* James Rogers Badgett Jr. – Businessman
Fairfield, IA, USA
* Peter Warburton, M.A. – Administrator
Rendlesham, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK
* Patrick John Barrett, Ph.D. – Clinical Psychologist
Boone, NC, USA
* Lucien Mansour – Retired Businessman
Brussels, Belgium
* Dean Dodrill – Business Entrepreneur
Washington, D.C., USA
* Bev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > 
> > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall 
> > back.
> > 
> > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > is he?
> > 
> > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News 
> > magazine.
> >
> 
> 
> What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story 
> seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish Varma".  He 
> comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation, extortion, 
> attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star Hotels. Other 
> women come forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus. 
> 
> The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM 
> Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated with him?
> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
>  
Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down.  At the very least, there will need 
to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if there is anything 
left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!).  Girish could be the 
legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the Beatles and the finale is 
50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are lessons to be learned.  It could 
be that TM-USA will separate from India. Seems in India it was just a big 
business with a cover story of education..  Here, we raised the money for them, 
and also did the scientific research part. 
Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think that 
Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > 
> > Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> > teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> > is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall 
> > back.
> > 
> > But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> > at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> > is he?
> > 
> > Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> > her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News 
> > magazine.
> >
> 
> 
> What is the TM administration going to do about him?

I recommend yagyas.


 [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for 
"Girish Varma".  He comes right up now,  Times of India every day:  
Molestation, extortion, attemped murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  
Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus.   
  
> 
> The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM 
> Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated with him?

If it wasn't for the fact that the Indian side of TMO has all
the money from the western side, and that it's just plain
*embarrassing* that such a large part of TM propaganda is based
on the idea of spontaneous "coherence creating" in the rest of
the world, I would have let him go the day after Marshy died
when he tried to secede. He aint much of an advert but then
it was TM that created him so maybe some karmic chickens are
coming home to roost.

Not that I believe any of that crap but I've no doubt there is 
some serious rationalisation going on amongst the TM leadership.
I bet they can't believe they've got to deal with this after
everything they've been saying over the years. Once again, I'm
sure glad I never gave them any money

> http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
>  
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> > > > there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around 
> > > > > it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme 
> > > > > propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is 
> > > > > disheartening sickening.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > > > > alleging
> > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > > > > errands
> > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file 
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's 
> > > > > > > image on
> > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > guideline for its employees and officers?
> 
> Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they
> teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour
> is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall 
> back.
> 
> But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy
> at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines
> is he?
> 
> Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was "helping her with
> her karma". I look forward to a full report in TM News 
> magazine.
>


What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems 
to broaden everyday.  Do a google 'news' search for "Girish Varma".  He comes 
right up now,  Times of India every day:  Molestation, extortion, attemped 
murder,  Sex in the back seat of an Audi.  Five-Star Hotels. Other women come 
forward.  It's very unfortunate.  Jeeesus. 

The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM 
Europe and the Americas too.  Who would want to be associated with him?
http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/
 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> > > there's gonna be trouble.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around 
> > > > it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme 
> > > > propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is 
> > > > disheartening sickening.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this 
> > > > > > year at
> > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > > > alleging
> > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her 
> > > > > > along
> > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > > > errands
> > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when 
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a
> > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that 
> > > > > > he sent
> > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's 
> > > > > > image on
> > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > > Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors 
> > > > about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of 
> > > > them? Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and 
> > > > they lived very modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings 
> > > > and rumor mongering is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get 
> > > > targeted. You all assume that Girish is guilty.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one 
> > > of "the guys" in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the 
> > > rumors were true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were 
> > > false.
> > > 
> > > I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access 
> > > to through google, has anyone else?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > L
> > 
> > With all that building going on, someone would think it possible to 
> > blackmail some money. Lots of building, looks like lots of money. Someone 
> > always is trying to cash in on it.That is to be expected to some degree. It 
> > doesn't mean that we can all start bad mouthing everyone.
> >
> 
> 
> "The kind of media hype created around the case is adversely affecting 3.5 
> lakh children studying in Maharishi schools," said Goswami talking to media 
> outside the thana.
> 
> On why Varma chose to remain absent, he said, "He is working day and night, 
> sleeping only three hours. Ninety institutions are being managed by him 
> internationally." "
> 
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-20/bhopal/37871108_1_girish-chandra-varma-record-statements-mahila-thana
> 
> [A lakh is a unit in the South Asian numbering system equal to one hundred 
> thousand (100,000; Scientific notation: 105), written as 1,00,000.]
>

Shooting too?

Times of India: "The firing incident took place earlier this year in front of
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram's gate and the FIR was registered on January 29,
copy of which is available with the TOI. Varma along with six others were booked
for attempting to murder an Allahabad high court lawyer."

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molesta\
tion-husband-complaint

Girish is also involved with a shooting? Back in January? Attempted murder? 
Outside the gate? He's granted bail on that? Passions evidently ran high over 
something? Any body close to the case know what were they shootin over? Women? 
Money? Power? Fashion?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > > Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors 
> > > > about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of 
> > > > them? Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and 
> > > > they lived very modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings 
> > > > and rumor mongering is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get 
> > > > targeted. You all assume that Girish is guilty.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one 
> > > of "the guys" in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the 
> > > rumors were true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were 
> > > false.
> > > 
> > > I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access 
> > > to through google, has anyone else?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > L
> > 
> > With all that building going on, someone would think it possible to 
> > blackmail some money. Lots of building, looks like lots of money. Someone 
> > always is trying to cash in on it.That is to be expected to some degree. It 
> > doesn't mean that we can all start bad mouthing everyone.
> >
> 
> 
> "The kind of media hype created around the case is adversely affecting 3.5 
> lakh children studying in Maharishi schools," said Goswami talking to media 
> outside the thana.
> 
> On why Varma chose to remain absent, he said, "He is working day and night, 
> sleeping only three hours. Ninety institutions are being managed by him 
> internationally." "
> 
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-20/bhopal/37871108_1_girish-chandra-varma-record-statements-mahila-thana
> 
> [A lakh is a unit in the South Asian numbering system equal to one hundred 
> thousand (100,000; Scientific notation: 105), written as 1,00,000.]
>

He's also involved with a shooting? Back in January? Attempted murder? Outside 
the gate?  He's granted bail on that?  Passions evidently ran high over 
something?  What were they shootin over? Women? Money? Power? Fashion?

Times of India: "The firing incident took place earlier this year in front of 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram's gate and the FIR was registered on January 29, 
copy of which is available with the TOI. Varma along with six others were 
booked for attempting to murder an Allahabad high court lawyer."

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > >
> > > Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors 
> > > about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of 
> > > them? Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and 
> > > they lived very modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings 
> > > and rumor mongering is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get 
> > > targeted. You all assume that Girish is guilty.
> > >
> > 
> > As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one of 
> > "the guys" in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors 
> > were true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were false.
> > 
> > I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access 
> > to through google, has anyone else?
> > 
> > 
> > L
> 
> With all that building going on, someone would think it possible to blackmail 
> some money. Lots of building, looks like lots of money. Someone always is 
> trying to cash in on it.That is to be expected to some degree. It doesn't 
> mean that we can all start bad mouthing everyone.
>


"The kind of media hype created around the case is adversely affecting 3.5 lakh 
children studying in Maharishi schools," said Goswami talking to media outside 
the thana.

On why Varma chose to remain absent, he said, "He is working day and night, 
sleeping only three hours. Ninety institutions are being managed by him 
internationally." "

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-20/bhopal/37871108_1_girish-chandra-varma-record-statements-mahila-thana

[A lakh is a unit in the South Asian numbering system equal to one hundred 
thousand (100,000; Scientific notation: 105), written as 1,00,000.]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[m2smart4u2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> >
> 
> > >
> > Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors 
> > about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of them? 
> > Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and they lived 
> > very modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings and rumor 
> > mongering is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get targeted. You 
> > all assume that Girish is guilty.
> >
> 
> As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one of 
> "the guys" in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors 
> were true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were false.
> 
> I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access to 
> through google, has anyone else?
> 
> 
> L

With all that building going on, someone would think it possible to blackmail 
some money. Lots of building, looks like lots of money. Someone always is 
trying to cash in on it.That is to be expected to some degree. It doesn't mean 
that we can all start bad mouthing everyone.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
>

> >
> Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors about 
> how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of them? Did you 
> see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and they lived very 
> modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings and rumor mongering 
> is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get targeted. You all assume 
> that Girish is guilty.
>

As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one of 
"the guys" in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were 
true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were false.

I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access to 
through google, has anyone else?


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[m2smart4u2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their 
> > > > > belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually 
> > > > > celebrated as the proper way things get done.  The first Prime 
> > > > > Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira 
> > > > > Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his 
> > > > > great-grandson.  
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > > > > 
> > > > > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, 
> > > > > it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best 
> > > > > person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing 
> > > > > them to be born as relatives of the person in power.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad 
> > > > > people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, 
> > > > > that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising 
> > > > > if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if 
> > > > > some of the rumors were false.
> > > > > 
> > > > > L.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around 
> > > > pundits in the pundit program for some long time.  I would not want to 
> > > > be the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the 
> > > > workings of the TM movement there.  Sociopaths are not likely to put 
> > > > capable honorable people around them either.  For as big as it is this 
> > > > is going to be extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees 
> > > > to manage.  I'd really fear for their safety if and when they go over 
> > > > there to help straighten it out. 
> > > 
> > > You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have 
> > > stashed away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few 
> > > dollars from kickbacks from pundits?  And people in Fairfield know about 
> > > this for a long time?  Bevan and John H knew this and stood by?  The 
> > > Rajas?  They all looked the other way? If that is true, then trouble is 
> > > ahead, big trouble. 
> > > 
> > > So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield?  What is the general 
> > > feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this?   
> > > > 
> > > >
> > 
> > Folks are only just finding out about this.  Within the Fairfield 
> > meditating community, yes people are talking about this amongst themselves 
> > as they learn about it.  In Fairfield there are different elements to the 
> > whole meditator community.  Only a very few people actually have a place or 
> > participate at the upper level.  Most meditators do not have much contact 
> > or much interaction with the organizational movement as such.
> > -Buck
> >   
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come 
> > > > > > to run the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak 
> > > > > > up?  (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American 
> > > > > > Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years?  Surely 
> > > > > > they must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> Susan, you know our TM organization is not known for its transparent process. 
>  Everything is opaque but they do give us a lot to talk about.  However, even 
> with all the rackets the guy evidently had going in the end it was tax 
> evasion that got Al Capone his hard time.  [Old Proverb: When prominent 
> people fail, their failure is more dramatic.] The Indian government will 
> probably have something to say at some point about Girish as its depositions 
> get going and the fourth estate it seems is already interested and ready to 
> find out.  We'll all know more in a while.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people 
> > > for
> years.
> >
> > Me too, as soon as the late 70ies.
> >
> > > But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is
> bogus and so on.
> >
> > I heard those reports from people in the movement who had no doubts about 
> > TM,
> who were dedicated governors, some working in India, no anti TMers at all. I
> also saw him giving a talk to movement people late 80ies, it was all about
> money, he needed a special introduction, becau

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Susan, as to your question I think you will like this.
> Of bullies and pig-heads and Looking for Ambercrombie...
> It is a funny serendipity how things get put in to your hands at times.  I 
> walked by a bookshelf today, pulled a book opening it to a page and read:
>   
> "I turned in disgust, and my associates followed -the Colonel's question was 
> not answered.  We then went to the Lieutenant-colonel and told our story.  He 
> said, "I am not in command of this regiment."  We then went to the Major, and 
> when we had finished he said, "The d—n fool".  We then went to the Adjutant, 
> a little, lean, brainy, sensible young man, and told our story.  He said: "I 
> cannot act; if you have got anything to say, put it in writing; file your 
> charges."
> I have often wondered how the officers of that period got such bad cases of 
> swell-head.  It was perhaps because they were no-bodies when they went in.  
> Men must get acclimated to power or they will handle it foolishly.  Power, 
> unless it comes slowly, spoils its possessor.  Men and families must become 
> acclimated to power the same as to wealth, or it will make fools of them, or 
> lead them to disgrace.  Here it was in our regiment, that the field officers 
> could not listen to and redress a flagrant military wrong.  They could not do 
> the right and proper thing.  They were alive only to the subjects of their 
> own separate importances.  They could not get down low enough to do a private 
> soldier justice.  Grant could, and Sherman could, and Thomas could and so 
> could other great generals.  Our field officers were not Grants, Shermans, 
> Thomases and hence we never have since heard of them, and their names do not 
> appear in history, and ought not to.. We were disgusted.
> Somebody must have told General Lyon.  Probably he got it from the people of 
> Boonville.  Nobody knows; we never knew.  The records of the War Department 
> show the following: "George Spreaper, absent in arrest in Keokuk since July 
> 1, 1861."  The above sentence is on the August muster-rolls of the regiment.  
> It is probable that he was put onto a steamboat and hustled off.  There was a 
> rumor afteerwards that Streaper go into a Missouri militia regiment, as 
> Second Lieutenant, and quit in January, 1862, after three month's service, to 
> go South and join the Confederacy...
> All at once the First Lieutenant, Abercrombie, asserted himself.  He had sort 
> of been in the background.  He had been handicapped by the jealousy, envy and 
> dislike of the Captain.  The Captain had been snubbing him, and keeping him 
> dormant.  He now announced that he was in command of the company; he restored 
> all the corporals.  We began to get care and attention.  The boys began to 
> appreciate him, and no company in the service had a better commander.  That 
> he afterwards became one of the famous Iowa colonels was a natural sequence.  
> He was kindly and was very brave, and shirked nothing.  Good-by Streaper; you 
> were one of the thousands of worthless officers whom we had to unload before 
> we could put down the rebellion."
> page 145
> -The Lyon Campaign and History of the 1st Iowa Infantry, 1861.
> 1991 reprint by Camp Pope Bookshop
> From the title page:
> "War is the schooling of the nations"
> 
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > In the New TM Movement the leadership coming next will tell us all a lot 
> > about which direction it [the SBS Trust] will go in response to everything 
> > that Girish raises with this. We'll see if they can assert themselves with 
> > upright control over Girish and his people now. 
> > 
> >  
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to 
> > > > > > > their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is 
> > > > > > > usually celebrated as the proper way things get done.  The first 
> > > > > > > Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. 
> > > > > > > Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv 
> > > > > > > Ghandi was his great-grandson.  
> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's 
> > > > > > > nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives 
> > > > > > > are the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for 
> > > > > > > it by causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the
> > > > head of the TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see
> > > > of events in India?
> > > 
> > > Yes, but I see now that the allegations can't possibly be true. Just look 
> > > at his Facebook page (gotta be logged into FB to see it):
> > > 
> > > http://www.facebook.com/BrahmachariGirish
> > > 
> > > It says right there that he's a Brahmachari. 
> > 
> > 
> > Brahmacharya!
> >
> 
> Brahmacharya is a divine word. It is the sum and substance of Yoga. 
> Brahmacharya is the Achara or conduct by which you attain or reach Brahman 
> (God). It is life in the Absolute. It is movement towards God or the Atman 
> (Self).
>


Of a true Spiritual Discipline, friends;
"We want to avoid temptation and everything like that... What the eyes see and 
what the flesh wants, that is what we want to avoid," says the minister at 
Maple Grove, Zach Waldner. "If you see it then you will probably be lost 
forever, just like it happened with our first parents Adam and Eve. They looked 
too much, they saw it was nice and it looked good, but it was their downfall." 

  
> > 
> > >Nuthin' to see here. Move along.
> > >  
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband 
> > > > > > > > > take her along
> > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
> > > > > > > > > star hotel was
> > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband 
> > > > > > > > > away on errands
> > > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with 
> > > > > > > > > claims that he sent
> > > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the
> > > head of the TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see
> > > of events in India?
> > 
> > Yes, but I see now that the allegations can't possibly be true. Just look 
> > at his Facebook page (gotta be logged into FB to see it):
> > 
> > http://www.facebook.com/BrahmachariGirish
> > 
> > It says right there that he's a Brahmachari. 
> 
> 
> Brahmacharya!
> 

Huh!? :0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the
> > > head of the TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see
> > > of events in India?
> > 
> > Yes, but I see now that the allegations can't possibly be true. Just look 
> > at his Facebook page (gotta be logged into FB to see it):
> > 
> > http://www.facebook.com/BrahmachariGirish
> > 
> > It says right there that he's a Brahmachari. 
> 
> 
> Brahmacharya!
>

Brahmacharya is a divine word. It is the sum and substance of Yoga. 
Brahmacharya is the Achara or conduct by which you attain or reach Brahman 
(God). It is life in the Absolute. It is movement towards God or the Atman 
(Self).
 
> 
> >Nuthin' to see here. Move along.
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the
> > head of the TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see
> > of events in India?
> 
> Yes, but I see now that the allegations can't possibly be true. Just look at 
> his Facebook page (gotta be logged into FB to see it):
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/BrahmachariGirish
> 
> It says right there that he's a Brahmachari. 


Brahmacharya!


>Nuthin' to see here. Move along.
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> > > > there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around 
> > > > > it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme 
> > > > > propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is 
> > > > > disheartening sickening.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > > > > alleging
> > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > > > > errands
> > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file 
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's 
> > > > > > > image on
> > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

Susan, as to your question I think you will like this.
Of bullies and pig-heads and Looking for Ambercrombie...
It is a funny serendipity how things get put in to your hands at times.  I 
walked by a bookshelf today, pulled a book opening it to a page and read:
  
"I turned in disgust, and my associates followed -the Colonel's question was 
not answered.  We then went to the Lieutenant-colonel and told our story.  He 
said, "I am not in command of this regiment."  We then went to the Major, and 
when we had finished he said, "The d—n fool".  We then went to the Adjutant, a 
little, lean, brainy, sensible young man, and told our story.  He said: "I 
cannot act; if you have got anything to say, put it in writing; file your 
charges."
I have often wondered how the officers of that period got such bad cases of 
swell-head.  It was perhaps because they were no-bodies when they went in.  Men 
must get acclimated to power or they will handle it foolishly.  Power, unless 
it comes slowly, spoils its possessor.  Men and families must become acclimated 
to power the same as to wealth, or it will make fools of them, or lead them to 
disgrace.  Here it was in our regiment, that the field officers could not 
listen to and redress a flagrant military wrong.  They could not do the right 
and proper thing.  They were alive only to the subjects of their own separate 
importances.  They could not get down low enough to do a private soldier 
justice.  Grant could, and Sherman could, and Thomas could and so could other 
great generals.  Our field officers were not Grants, Shermans, Thomases and 
hence we never have since heard of them, and their names do not appear in 
history, and ought not to.. We were disgusted.
Somebody must have told General Lyon.  Probably he got it from the people of 
Boonville.  Nobody knows; we never knew.  The records of the War Department 
show the following: "George Spreaper, absent in arrest in Keokuk since July 1, 
1861."  The above sentence is on the August muster-rolls of the regiment.  It 
is probable that he was put onto a steamboat and hustled off.  There was a 
rumor afteerwards that Streaper go into a Missouri militia regiment, as Second 
Lieutenant, and quit in January, 1862, after three month's service, to go South 
and join the Confederacy...
All at once the First Lieutenant, Abercrombie, asserted himself.  He had sort 
of been in the background.  He had been handicapped by the jealousy, envy and 
dislike of the Captain.  The Captain had been snubbing him, and keeping him 
dormant.  He now announced that he was in command of the company; he restored 
all the corporals.  We began to get care and attention.  The boys began to 
appreciate him, and no company in the service had a better commander.  That he 
afterwards became one of the famous Iowa colonels was a natural sequence.  He 
was kindly and was very brave, and shirked nothing.  Good-by Streaper; you were 
one of the thousands of worthless officers whom we had to unload before we 
could put down the rebellion."
page 145
-The Lyon Campaign and History of the 1st Iowa Infantry, 1861.
1991 reprint by Camp Pope Bookshop
>From the title page:
"War is the schooling of the nations"

-Buck in the Dome

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> In the New TM Movement the leadership coming next will tell us all a lot 
> about which direction it [the SBS Trust] will go in response to everything 
> that Girish raises with this. We'll see if they can assert themselves with 
> upright control over Girish and his people now. 
> 
>  
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to 
> > > > > > their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually 
> > > > > > celebrated as the proper way things get done.  The first Prime 
> > > > > > Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, 
> > > > > > Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his 
> > > > > > great-grandson.  
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's 
> > > > > > nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are 
> > > > > > the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by 
> > > > > > causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad 
> > > > > > people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, 
> > > > > > that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising 
> > > > > > if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment 2 Card

[Share Long]

Card, depending on the exact day of your Dad's birth, if he is Pisces in 
Western, he might be an Aquarius in jyotish.  
As an expert on Aquarius men (-:
I will say that they can be very humanitarian and universal in their outlook 
thus very understanding.  But that can also lean towards detachment and extreme 
objectivity which could come across as hard and cold.  

Since Venus is usually not far from the Sun he may have had Venus exalted in 
Pisces which would also give a soft quality.
Hope this is helpful.




 From: card 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  


My father's *first* name was Varma (in Finnish, 'sure', 'certain', 'safe', 
etc.) He used his middle name, though.

I guess he was a typical Western Piscean, sometimes exceedingly
soft, sometimes almost psychopathically hard and cold.

varman  n. [nom. sing: varma; cf. brahman - brahma*  -- card] (or m. Siddh. ; 
fr. 1. %{vR}) `" envelope "' , defensive armour , a coat of mail RV. &c. &c. ; 
a bulwark , shelter , defence , protection ib. (often at the end of the names 
of Kshatriyas) ; bark , rind VarBr2S. ; N. of partic. preservative formulas and 
prayers (esp. of the mystic syllable %{hum}) BhP.

* anaadimat paraM *brahma* (brahman is without beginning and
transcendental)


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

In the New TM Movement the leadership coming next will tell us all a lot about 
which direction it [the SBS Trust] will go in response to everything that 
Girish raises with this. We'll see if they can assert themselves with upright 
control over Girish and his people now. 

 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their 
> > > > > belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually 
> > > > > celebrated as the proper way things get done.  The first Prime 
> > > > > Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira 
> > > > > Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his 
> > > > > great-grandson.  
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > > > > 
> > > > > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, 
> > > > > it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best 
> > > > > person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing 
> > > > > them to be born as relatives of the person in power.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad 
> > > > > people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, 
> > > > > that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising 
> > > > > if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if 
> > > > > some of the rumors were false.
> > > > > 
> > > > > L.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around 
> > > > pundits in the pundit program for some long time.  I would not want to 
> > > > be the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the 
> > > > workings of the TM movement there.  Sociopaths are not likely to put 
> > > > capable honorable people around them either.  For as big as it is this 
> > > > is going to be extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees 
> > > > to manage.  I'd really fear for their safety if and when they go over 
> > > > there to help straighten it out. 
> > > 
> > > You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have 
> > > stashed away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few 
> > > dollars from kickbacks from pundits?  And people in Fairfield know about 
> > > this for a long time?  Bevan and John H knew this and stood by?  The 
> > > Rajas?  They all looked the other way? If that is true, then trouble is 
> > > ahead, big trouble. 
> > > 
> > > So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield?  What is the general 
> > > feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this?   
> > > > 
> > > >
> > 
> > Folks are only just finding out about this.  Within the Fairfield 
> > meditating community, yes people are talking about this amongst themselves 
> > as they learn about it.  In Fairfield there are different elements to the 
> > whole meditator community.  Only a very few people actually have a place or 
> > participate at the upper level.  Most meditators do not have much contact 
> > or much interaction with the organizational movement as such.
> > -Buck
> >   
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come 
> > > > > > to run the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak 
> > > > > > up?  (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American 
> > > > > > Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years?  Surely 
> > > > > > they must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> Susan, you know our TM organization is not known for its transparent process. 
>  Everything is opaque but they do give us a lot to talk about.  However, even 
> with all the rackets the guy evidently had going in the end it was tax 
> evasion that got Al Capone his hard time.  [Old Proverb: When prominent 
> people fail, their failure is more dramatic.] The Indian government will 
> probably have something to say at some point about Girish as its depositions 
> get going and the fourth estate it seems is already interested and ready to 
> find out.  We'll all know more in a while.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people 
> > > for
> years.
> >
> > Me too, as soon as the late 70ies.
> >
> > > But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is
> bogus and so on.
> >
> > I heard those reports from people in the movement who had no doubts a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[card]

My father's *first* name was Varma (in Finnish, 'sure', 'certain', 'safe', 
etc.) He used his middle name, though.

I guess he was a typical Western Piscean, sometimes exceedingly
soft, sometimes almost psychopathically hard and cold.

varman  n. [nom. sing: varma; cf. brahman - brahma*  -- card] (or m. Siddh. ; 
fr. 1. %{vR}) `" envelope "' , defensive armour , a coat of mail RV. &c. &c. ; 
a bulwark , shelter , defence , protection ib. (often at the end of the names 
of Kshatriyas) ; bark , rind VarBr2S. ; N. of partic. preservative formulas and 
prayers (esp. of the mystic syllable %{hum}) BhP.

* anaadimat paraM *brahma* (brahman is without beginning and
transcendental)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their 
> > > > belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated 
> > > > as the proper way things get done.  The first Prime Minister of India 
> > > > was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his 
> > > > granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson.  
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > > > 
> > > > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it 
> > > > turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person 
> > > > for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be 
> > > > born as relatives of the person in power.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people 
> > > > for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the 
> > > > research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the 
> > > > rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors 
> > > > were false.
> > > > 
> > > > L.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around 
> > > pundits in the pundit program for some long time.  I would not want to be 
> > > the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of 
> > > the TM movement there.  Sociopaths are not likely to put capable 
> > > honorable people around them either.  For as big as it is this is going 
> > > to be extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees to manage. 
> > >  I'd really fear for their safety if and when they go over there to help 
> > > straighten it out. 
> > 
> > You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have 
> > stashed away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few 
> > dollars from kickbacks from pundits?  And people in Fairfield know about 
> > this for a long time?  Bevan and John H knew this and stood by?  The Rajas? 
> >  They all looked the other way? If that is true, then trouble is ahead, big 
> > trouble. 
> > 
> > So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield?  What is the general 
> > feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this?   
> > > 
> > >
> 
> Folks are only just finding out about this.  Within the Fairfield meditating 
> community, yes people are talking about this amongst themselves as they learn 
> about it.  In Fairfield there are different elements to the whole meditator 
> community.  Only a very few people actually have a place or participate at 
> the upper level.  Most meditators do not have much contact or much 
> interaction with the organizational movement as such.
> -Buck
>   
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come 
> > > > > to run the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak 
> > > > > up?  (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American 
> > > > > Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years?  Surely they 
> > > > > must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Susan, you know our TM organization is not known for its transparent process.  
Everything is opaque but they do give us a lot to talk about.  However, even 
with all the rackets the guy evidently had going in the end it was tax evasion 
that got Al Capone his hard time.  [Old Proverb: When prominent people fail, 
their failure is more dramatic.] The Indian government will probably have 
something to say at some point about Girish as its depositions get going and 
the fourth estate it seems is already interested and ready to find out.  We'll 
all know more in a while.
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> >
> > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for
years.
>
> Me too, as soon as the late 70ies.
>
> > But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is
bogus and so on.
>
> I heard those reports from people in the movement who had no doubts about TM,
who were dedicated governors, some working in India, no anti TMers at all. I
also saw him giving a talk to movement people late 80ies, it was all about
money, he needed a special introduction, because people there, again no
anti-TMers, were all repelled by him.
>  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for 
> > years. 
> 
> Me too, as soon as the late 70ies.
> 
> > But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is 
> > bogus and so on. 
> 
> I heard those reports from people in the movement who had no doubts about TM, 
> who were dedicated governors, some working in India, no anti TMers at all. I 
> also saw him giving a talk to movement people late 80ies, it was all about 
> money, he needed a special introduction, because people there, again no 
> anti-TMers, were all repelled by him.
> 

That's helpful, this is one of the fortifying things about the community of 
postings on FFL is that people show up periodically who have 'been there' and 
have that substantial perspective to write from that can get rendered down from 
there.  Thanks.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> 
> That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for 
> years. 

Me too, as soon as the late 70ies.

> But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is 
> bogus and so on. 

I heard those reports from people in the movement who had no doubts about TM, 
who were dedicated governors, some working in India, no anti TMers at all. I 
also saw him giving a talk to movement people late 80ies, it was all about 
money, he needed a special introduction, because people there, again no 
anti-TMers, were all repelled by him.

> It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't 
> be surprising if some of the rumors were false.
> 
> L.
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their 
> > > belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated 
> > > as the proper way things get done.  The first Prime Minister of India was 
> > > named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his 
> > > granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson.  
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > > 
> > > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it 
> > > turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person 
> > > for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be 
> > > born as relatives of the person in power.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people 
> > > for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the 
> > > research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the 
> > > rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors 
> > > were false.
> > > 
> > > L.
> > >
> > 
> > We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around 
> > pundits in the pundit program for some long time.  I would not want to be 
> > the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of 
> > the TM movement there.  Sociopaths are not likely to put capable honorable 
> > people around them either.  For as big as it is this is going to be 
> > extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees to manage.  I'd 
> > really fear for their safety if and when they go over there to help 
> > straighten it out. 
> 
> You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have stashed 
> away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few dollars 
> from kickbacks from pundits?  And people in Fairfield know about this for a 
> long time?  Bevan and John H knew this and stood by?  The Rajas?  They all 
> looked the other way? If that is true, then trouble is ahead, big trouble. 
> 
> So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield?  What is the general 
> feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this?   
> > 
> >

Folks are only just finding out about this.  Within the Fairfield meditating 
community, yes people are talking about this amongst themselves as they learn 
about it.  In Fairfield there are different elements to the whole meditator 
community.  Only a very few people actually have a place or participate at the 
upper level.  Most meditators do not have much contact or much interaction with 
the organizational movement as such.
-Buck
  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to 
> > > > run the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  
> > > > (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas 
> > > > over there put up with this crap all these years?  Surely they must 
> > > > have seen and sensed that things were not right.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement"

[Buck]

The New TM Movement?  The way it is told, is that at the time of Maharishi's 
death sound people in the middle did a spread eagle across everything they 
could find and froze the assets that they could put their hands on.  Of course 
starting with the TM trademark and real assets available in the West.  The next 
year and half was a process of discovery to see what else they had.   From that 
we have the entities within TM as we see them now; hence, "The New TM 
Movement". 

> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sound of stillness" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True 
> > > Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after 
> > > it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > 
> > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > 
> > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> > > unfolding? 
> > > 
> > > What's the vision bro?
> > > 
> > > Michael
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > The TM New Movement
> > Management:
> > 
> > The permanent president of the Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation is Maharaja 
> > Adhiraj Rajaraam, first ruler of the Global Country of World Peace. The 
> > Patron of the Foundation is His Holiness Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, 
> > Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. The trust is governed by a 48-member council 
> > of educators, scientists and businessmen. There is a five-member executive 
> > committee from this that make the day-to-day decisions.
> > 
> > Members of the Executive Committee are:
> > 
> > Dr. Bevan Morris, Prime Minister, Global Country of World Peace; President 
> > of Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa, USA.
> > 
> > Dr. John Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America, Global Country of World 
> > Peace; Executive Director, International Center for Invincible Defense
> > 
> > Dr. Benjamin Feldman, Minister of Finance and Planning, Global Country of 
> > World Peace
> > 
> > Dr. Harris Kaplan, Raja of India, Global Country of World Peace
> > 
> > Dr. Steven Rubin, Raja of China, Global Country of World Peace
> > 
> > The Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization 
> > in the U.S., and donations are tax-deductible for U.S. taxpayers. 
> > 
> > Read more about the Indian part of the TM movement:
> > http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative.html
> > 
> >
> 
> Operational Organizations within India
> 
> Construction of buildings in Phases 1 and 2 of the project and land ownership 
> of the 1,200 acres in the geographic center of India are being done by the 
> Spiritual Regeneration Movement of India, a charitable trust founded by 
> Maharishi. In Phase 2 of the project, for the establishment of the 48 
> Brahmananda Saraswati Nagars, affiliated charities in India founded by 
> Maharishi which also operate under the umbrella of the Global Country of 
> World Peace will also be involved in some location-specific tasks.
> 
> Training and employment of Vedic Pandits is being carried out by Maharishi 
> Veda Vigyan Vishwa Vidya Peeth, a charitable trust in India.
> 
> The management team for these charities in India is led by Dr. Girish Chandra 
> Varma. Dr Varma is Director General of the Maharishi Capital of World Peace 
> in the Brahmasthan of India, Chancellor of Maharishi University of 
> Management, Chhattisgarh, and as Chancellor of Maharishi Vidya Mandir Schools 
> group has provided the executive direction over the establishment and 
> operation of a private school system with 160 schools and 88,000 students.
> 
>  
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > >   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In Fairfiel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their 
> > belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as 
> > the proper way things get done.  The first Prime Minister of India was 
> > named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his 
> > granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson.  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> > 
> > The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it 
> > turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for 
> > the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as 
> > relatives of the person in power.
> > 
> > 
> > That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for 
> > years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the 
> > research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the 
> > rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were 
> > false.
> > 
> > L.
> >
> 
> We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around pundits 
> in the pundit program for some long time.  I would not want to be the 
> Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of the TM 
> movement there.  Sociopaths are not likely to put capable honorable people 
> around them either.  For as big as it is this is going to be extremely 
> complicated for Tony and the board of trustees to manage.  I'd really fear 
> for their safety if and when they go over there to help straighten it out. 

You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have stashed 
away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few dollars from 
kickbacks from pundits?  And people in Fairfield know about this for a long 
time?  Bevan and John H knew this and stood by?  The Rajas?  They all looked 
the other way? If that is true, then trouble is ahead, big trouble. 

So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield?  What is the general 
feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this?   
> 
>  
> >  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to 
> > > run the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  
> > > (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over 
> > > there put up with this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen 
> > > and sensed that things were not right.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in 
> > India just as this comes to a head.
> > 
> > Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM 
> > organization that goes beyond just India.
> > 
> > 
> > L
> >
> 
> Would seem that whole side of the Maharishi family could stand to be stripped 
> of their bank accounts, fancy cars, real estate and mansions and swiftly 
> banished to caves somewhere in penance for all the trouble they cause the 
> larger movement with this behavior.  These molestation charges seem a tip of 
> an iceberg with a lot more bad underneath. These charges are simply really 
> bad and create quite a vacuum in the movement.

I think it is more likely that the "whole side of the Maharishi family" will 
keep the money and leave the TMO without much at all.  I assume they own the 
bulk of the money.
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting 
> > > caught with his hands in the cookie jar.  It is going to be very 
> > > interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this 
> > > going forward.  This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in 
> > > coming.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or 
> > > > India?   And who is in charge of all that money in India now that 
> > > > Girish is going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the 
> > > > rajas and folks in charge
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going 
> > > on.  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward 
> > > with similar complaints about Girish. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from 
> > > > > the whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  
> > > > > Even for the guy at the top.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, 
> > > > > > > > otherwise the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > > >

Navashok,
Yup, these headlines keep coming out of India.
Swiss woman gang raped in India
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21812849

UK woman evades sex assault by jumping from hotel room window.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21843657

Women in India,
In Guru Dev's time women had the civil rights of goats.
In Maharishi's time they were toys.  In modern India they are pure sex objects.
  
> > 
> > Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to 
> > those TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people 
> > to help them heal.  This is really bad.
> >
> 
> Can you imagine how dangerous it would be to your person to go over there and 
> look into this thing with Girish and the TM-movement?  It seems part of the 
> story with Earl Kaplan when he was looking in India for the stolen millions 
> from him that he stopped when it became evident that the prospects were 
> life-threatening.   
>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well 
> > > > > > > > > > and achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > > > of scho

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief 
> in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the 
> proper way things get done.  The first Prime Minister of India was named 
> Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and 
> Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson.  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> 
> The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns 
> out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job 
> because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives 
> of the person in power.
> 
> 
> That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for 
> years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research 
> is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were 
> true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false.
> 
> L.
>

We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around pundits in 
the pundit program for some long time.  I would not want to be the Westerners 
wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of the TM movement 
there.  Sociopaths are not likely to put capable honorable people around them 
either.  For as big as it is this is going to be extremely complicated for Tony 
and the board of trustees to manage.  I'd really fear for their safety if and 
when they go over there to help straighten it out. 

 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> [...]
> > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run 
> > the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  (Maybe 
> > they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there 
> > put up with this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen and 
> > sensed that things were not right.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India 
> just as this comes to a head.
> 
> Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM 
> organization that goes beyond just India.
> 
> 
> L
>

Would seem that whole side of the Maharishi family could stand to be stripped 
of their bank accounts, fancy cars, real estate and mansions and swiftly 
banished to caves somewhere in penance for all the trouble they cause the 
larger movement with this behavior.  These molestation charges seem a tip of an 
iceberg with a lot more bad underneath. These charges are simply really bad and 
create quite a vacuum in the movement.
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
> > Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught 
> > with his hands in the cookie jar.  It is going to be very interesting to 
> > see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward.  This 
> > is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > > > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > > > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > > > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > > > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > > > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > > > the bait.) 
> > > 
> > > No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> > > case for what they are without my involvement. 
> > 
> > "I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive
> > cunt."
> > 
> > Priceless.
> 
> Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't "call" Ann a stupid
> vindictive cunt. She did that *herself*

No, she didn't. She said that was what you might think.

Learn to read, Barry. Stop being such a stupid vindictive cunt.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in 
> > India just as this comes to a head.
> > 
> > Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM 
> > organization that goes beyond just India.
> 
> I do hope so, I love a bit of scandal (don't we all!) 
> 
> The more they bicker and argue though the more laughable it all becomes. 
> Shame they are so very cultish and won't ever admit to any negativity, we'll 
> have to rely on hearsay and gossip as usual. About some of it anyway, Times 
> of India is at least reporting the financial 
> scandal about alleged missing funds.
> 
> Who could ever have guessed the age of enlightenment would be so fraught - 
> It's almost identical to the age of ignorance!

Ah, you may have discovered the secret, that the age of enlightenment and the 
age of ignorance are identical.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting 
> > > caught with his hands in the cookie jar.  It is going to be very 
> > > interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this 
> > > going forward.  This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in 
> > > coming.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> [...]
> > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > > the bait.) 
> > 
> > No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> > case for what they are without my involvement. 
> 
> "I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt."
> 
> Priceless.

Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't "call" Ann a stupid
vindictive cunt. She did that *herself*, quibbling 
only about the "stupid" part. I merely commented on
what stupid vindictive cunts *generically* tend to
do to reveal what they are. :-)

People are SO afraid of words. Some, who mainly have
no experience with how the word "cunt" is used in 
many places in the world, think that it has some
pejorative meaning associated with the female anatomy.
Not so. In most non-American cultures, calling either 
a man *or* a woman a cunt has a very clear meaning.
A cunt is someone who is consistently vindictive and
who not only holds grudges but who acts on them at
every given opportunity. 

Male, female really doesn't matter. c.f. "In Bruges."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India 
> just as this comes to a head.
> 
> Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM 
> organization that goes beyond just India.

I do hope so, I love a bit of scandal (don't we all!) 

The more they bicker and argue though the more laughable it all becomes. Shame 
they are so very cultish and won't ever admit to any negativity, we'll have to 
rely on hearsay and gossip as usual. About some of it anyway, Times of India is 
at least reporting the financial 
scandal about alleged missing funds.

Who could ever have guessed the age of enlightenment would be so fraught - It's 
almost identical to the age of ignorance!


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
> > Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught 
> > with his hands in the cookie jar.  It is going to be very interesting to 
> > see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward.  This 
> > is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[sparaig]

It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India 
just as this comes to a head.

Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM 
organization that goes beyond just India.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:

> Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught 
> with his hands in the cookie jar.  It is going to be very interesting to see 
> what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward.  This is a 
> very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief 
> in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the 
> proper way things get done.  The first Prime Minister of India was named 
> Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and 
> Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson.  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers
> 
> The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns 
> out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job 
> because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives 
> of the person in power.
> 
> 
> That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for 
> years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research 
> is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were 
> true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false.
> 
> L.
>

Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught 
with his hands in the cookie jar.  It is going to be very interesting to see 
what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward.  This is a 
very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.  
 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> [...]
> > Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run 
> > the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  (Maybe 
> > they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there 
> > put up with this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen and 
> > sensed that things were not right.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

Barry wrote years ago that he had gotten in touch with his inner assh*le 
(charming image). I suggest he do the same with this, the   other troublesome 
organ of his anatomy, his inner "stupid vindictive"  c*nt. I'll supply the 
flashlight and gloves.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> [...]
> > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > > the bait.) 
> > 
> > No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> > case for what they are without my involvement. 
> > 
> 
> "I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt."
> 
> Priceless.
> 
> 
> L
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
[...]
> > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > the bait.) 
> 
> No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> case for what they are without my involvement. 
> 

"I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt."

Priceless.


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[sparaig]

You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief in 
reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the proper way 
things get done.  The first Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. 
Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his 
great-grandson.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers

The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns 
out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job 
because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives of 
the person in power.


That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for 
years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is 
bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It 
also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false.

L.

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
[...]
> Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run 
> the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  (Maybe they 
> did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up 
> with this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen and sensed that 
> things were not right.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Are you kidding? He is/was Marshy's nephew - Marshy formed the Maharishi 
> Group with him and a couple other nephews, the business group that owns MAPI, 
> the property that MUM is built on and God knows what else - most of the money 
> has always gone to these guys - and as to how the rajas could put up with his 
> behavior, they always put up with his uncle's lying cheating stealing taking 
> money under false pretenses and womanizing - as the TMO always says "As is 
> our tradition..."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Susan 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:07 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh by all means post the links, please!
> > > 
> > > Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's 
> > > legacy, it just keeps getting more
> > >  sattvic all the time.
> > > 
> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Whacky. 
> > Well, stories from people who seem to know tell that evidently the guy was 
> > a "get done" kind of guy from even back in his college days. 
> 
> Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run 
> the hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  (Maybe they 
> did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up 
> with this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen and sensed that 
> things were not right.
> >

I'd worry for the safety of our TM Westerners, Raja Harris, his wife, Lonsdorf, 
and Tony Nader trying to look after the TM facilities over there.  The news of 
lawlessness is not encouraging coming out of India.  
 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or 
> > > > India?   And who is in charge of all that money in India now that 
> > > > Girish is going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the 
> > > > rajas and folks in charge
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going 
> > > on.  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward 
> > > with similar complaints about Girish. 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from 
> > > > > the whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  
> > > > > Even for the guy at the top.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

Are you kidding? He is/was Marshy's nephew - Marshy formed the Maharishi Group 
with him and a couple other nephews, the business group that owns MAPI, the 
property that MUM is built on and God knows what else - most of the money has 
always gone to these guys - and as to how the rajas could put up with his 
behavior, they always put up with his uncle's lying cheating stealing taking 
money under false pretenses and womanizing - as the TMO always says "As is our 
tradition..."





 From: Susan 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Oh by all means post the links, please!
> > 
> > Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's 
> > legacy, it just keeps getting more
> >  sattvic all the time.
> > 
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms
> > 
> >
> 
> Whacky. 
> Well, stories from people who seem to know tell that evidently the guy was a 
> "get done" kind of guy from even back in his college days. 

Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the 
hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  (Maybe they did 
but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with 
this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen and sensed that things 
were not right.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Oh by all means post the links, please!
> > 
> > Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's 
> > legacy, it just keeps getting more
> >  sattvic all the time.
> > 
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms
> > 
> >
> 
> Whacky. 
> Well, stories from people who seem to know tell that evidently the guy was a 
> "get done" kind of guy from even back in his college days. 

Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the 
hugely lucrative TMO India?  And why didn't people speak up?  (Maybe they did 
but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with 
this crap all these years?  Surely they must have seen and sensed that things 
were not right.
>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
&g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Oh by all means post the links, please!
> 
> Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's 
> legacy, it just keeps getting more
>  sattvic all the time.
> 
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms
> 
>

Whacky. 
Well, stories from people who seem to know tell that evidently the guy was a 
"get done" kind of guy from even back in his college days. 
 
> 
> 
> ________________
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   
> > And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  
> > There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in 
> > charge
> >
> 
> Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still out 
> of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in 
> India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally subdued 
> with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on.  Indian 
> Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar 
> complaints about Girish. 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > the guy at the top.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, 
> > > > > > > after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[Buck]

Turq, nice post and your link too at the bottom for those of us who have had 
the experience I feel like as written you caught it.
-Buck in the Dome  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues <
> > > curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some 
> > > > manor!!! All are & stand innocent in law, till proven, 
> > > > in law or other wise!
> > >
> > > I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until 
> > > we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said 
> > > in my post about this.
> > >
> > > But the legal standards of judging cases really has little 
> > > to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't 
> > > even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) 
> > > Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by 
> > > the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect
> > > us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what 
> > > went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. 
> > > I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system 
> > > (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich 
> > > guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully 
> > > alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that
> > > basically made him untouchable.
> > >
> > > Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got 
> > > off remember. But he did it.
> > 
> > Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences 
> > around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was 
> > just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the 
> > pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. 
> 
> I will address this, because Ravi so clearly illustrates 
> the "just not getting it" mentality I spoke of in my earlier
> rap about Paris movies. Ravi is projecting what *he* might
> do, or thinks he might do, in a situation in which he found 
> himself surrounded by young, nubile students not averse to 
> developing a crush on their teachers and either trying their 
> best to seduce them, or being willing to be actively seduced 
> by the less-than-honorable ones.
> 
> Yes, it happens. And yes, all too frequently. But *not* to 
> all of us. Although I have taken a lot of heat on this forum
> for my unapologetic tales of how much nookie I got during my
> time as a TM teacher, all of that nookie was shared with fellow
> TM teachers, not any of my direct students. Did the opportunity
> present itself? You betcha. Did I go for it, or was I even
> tempted? No way, Jose. 
> 
> This is something that those who have never been placed in the
> position of being a teacher in a spiritual context will not
> fully understand. If you take it seriously -- as I did when
> teaching TM and later when teaching meditation for Rama - Fred
> Lenz -- you "just don't go there." The temptations *TO* go 
> there are many, and powerful. On TM residence courses, one of
> the games I had to warn potential teachers about when it was 
> still my job to prep them for teaching such courses was the
> phenomenon of "Fuck the course leader." Lovely young women
> (or men, if the course was taught by a woman) would get them-
> selves all jizzed up from all that meditation and try their
> best to get not only into the teacher's head, but into their
> pants as well. 
> 
> But IMO if you really "get" the essence of being placed in 
> the position of being a spiritual teacher -- even on the minor
> level of being a TM teacher -- you really don't even *think*
> of "going there." The students are *your* responsibility; 
> their welfare is *your* responsibility. Who in their right
> mind would fuck with that by fucking *them*? 
> 
> Which brings us to the subject of those who *aren't* in their
> right minds. 
> 
> That includes, of course, Maharishi, Rama, and now Girish.
> While on the level of compassion I can understand these guys'
> weakness, and on a personal level I have actually *experienced*
> the powerful temptation to channel some adoring spiritual
> groupie's attention in the direction of sexual attention, I
> believe personally that it's one of the biggest mistakes any
> spiritual teacher could ever make. And yes, I consider all
> three of the people named above utter scumbags for having
> done it. 
> 
> They might have had *other* qualities that were more admirable,
> and they might have done things that will help to balance the
> "karmic scales" when they're cruising the Bardo destined either
> for a higher rebirth or one in the hell worlds, but I'm think-
> ing that fucking your students is pretty much the same as 
> fucking *over* your students, and that's a shitload of karma
> that would be difficult to balance in anyone's eyes. 
> 
> There is simply too much of a power differential for "mutually
> consensual sex bet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement"

[Buck]

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sound of stillness" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True 
> > Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after 
> > it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > 
> > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > 
> > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> > unfolding? 
> > 
> > What's the vision bro?
> > 
> > Michael
> > 
> >
> 
> The TM New Movement
> Management:
> 
> The permanent president of the Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation is Maharaja 
> Adhiraj Rajaraam, first ruler of the Global Country of World Peace. The 
> Patron of the Foundation is His Holiness Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, 
> Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. The trust is governed by a 48-member council 
> of educators, scientists and businessmen. There is a five-member executive 
> committee from this that make the day-to-day decisions.
> 
> Members of the Executive Committee are:
> 
> Dr. Bevan Morris, Prime Minister, Global Country of World Peace; President of 
> Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa, USA.
> 
> Dr. John Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America, Global Country of World Peace; 
> Executive Director, International Center for Invincible Defense
> 
> Dr. Benjamin Feldman, Minister of Finance and Planning, Global Country of 
> World Peace
> 
> Dr. Harris Kaplan, Raja of India, Global Country of World Peace
> 
> Dr. Steven Rubin, Raja of China, Global Country of World Peace
> 
> The Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization 
> in the U.S., and donations are tax-deductible for U.S. taxpayers. 
> 
> Read more about the Indian part of the TM movement:
> http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative.html
> 
>

Operational Organizations within India

Construction of buildings in Phases 1 and 2 of the project and land ownership 
of the 1,200 acres in the geographic center of India are being done by the 
Spiritual Regeneration Movement of India, a charitable trust founded by 
Maharishi. In Phase 2 of the project, for the establishment of the 48 
Brahmananda Saraswati Nagars, affiliated charities in India founded by 
Maharishi which also operate under the umbrella of the Global Country of World 
Peace will also be involved in some location-specific tasks.

Training and employment of Vedic Pandits is being carried out by Maharishi Veda 
Vigyan Vishwa Vidya Peeth, a charitable trust in India.

The management team for these charities in India is led by Dr. Girish Chandra 
Varma. Dr Varma is Director General of the Maharishi Capital of World Peace in 
the Brahmasthan of India, Chancellor of Maharishi University of Management, 
Chhattisgarh, and as Chancellor of Maharishi Vidya Mandir Schools group has 
provided the executive direction over the establishment and operation of a 
private school system with 160 schools and 88,000 students.

 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > the guy at the top.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, 
> > > > > > > after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement"

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sound of stillness" 
 wrote:
>
> 
> 
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
>

The TM New Movement
Management:

The permanent president of the Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation is Maharaja 
Adhiraj Rajaraam, first ruler of the Global Country of World Peace. The Patron 
of the Foundation is His Holiness Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, Shankaracharya 
of Jyotir Math. The trust is governed by a 48-member council of educators, 
scientists and businessmen. There is a five-member executive committee from 
this that make the day-to-day decisions.

Members of the Executive Committee are:

Dr. Bevan Morris, Prime Minister, Global Country of World Peace; President of 
Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa, USA.

Dr. John Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America, Global Country of World Peace; 
Executive Director, International Center for Invincible Defense

Dr. Benjamin Feldman, Minister of Finance and Planning, Global Country of World 
Peace

Dr. Harris Kaplan, Raja of India, Global Country of World Peace

Dr. Steven Rubin, Raja of China, Global Country of World Peace

The Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization in 
the U.S., and donations are tax-deductible for U.S. taxpayers. 

Read more about the Indian part of the TM movement:
http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative.html




> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > >   
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > group

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

I don't think so, for now. MJ is in a place where he is seeing the wholeness of 
that which he devoted himself to for a long time, for the first time. 
Fortunately the fantasies he held about Maharishi and the TMO are evaporating. 

That leaves MJ vulnerable to Barry chiming in regularly with his Spiritual 
Critic and Advisor routine. As long as MJ doesn't make a lifestyle out of his 
current realizations about the TMO, he'll grow out of it, and see Barry for the 
exceptionally narrow-minded resource that he is.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation.
> > I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, 
> > arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his
> > inability to think clearly), he's OK.
> 
> I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to
> recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant
> this morning. Can he tell the difference between "vile
> cussing-out" and serious dislocation from reality?
> 
> Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came
> straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think
> that won't be obvious to others.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation.
> I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, 
> arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his
> inability to think clearly), he's OK.

I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to
recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant
this morning. Can he tell the difference between "vile
cussing-out" and serious dislocation from reality?

Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came
straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think
that won't be obvious to others.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > >
> 
> Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
> TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
> them heal.  This is really bad.
>

Can you imagine how dangerous it would be to your person to go over there and 
look into this thing with Girish and the TM-movement?  It seems part of the 
story with Earl Kaplan when he was looking in India for the stolen millions 
from him that he stopped when it became evident that the prospects were 
life-threatening.   
   
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > >   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
> > > > > > > > > achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and 
> > > > > > > > > > > mental torture.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back 
> > > > > > > > > > > to Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's 
> > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation. I don't much 
care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, arrogant, mean and 
hypocritical. Other than that (and his inability to think clearly), he's OK.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Me start TM again - surely you jest

Yes MJ, I do jest. 

 >- as to my compliments to Barry - I don't really know anyone here on FFL but 
 >I do like his experience with the TMO and his willingness to share it, and 
 >some of the things he writes have assisted me in my own process and he is a 
 >good writer, able to think cogently and express it through his writing

And I say it is all a process, for all of us (figuring out this life and our 
individual place in it) and you can find value in whatever and whoever you 
choose to. It is just that my experience of Barry is different than yours. I 
have stated how I feel, I think you get it, so I will leave it at that.



> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads 
> > - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy 
> > regardless of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on 
> > FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to 
> > time.
> 
> And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That 
> is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will 
> last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start 
> TM again. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________
> >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > "The New Movement" - Buck
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> > this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. 
> > They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, 
> > and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> > 
> > No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> > his golden oldies.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > 
> > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > 
> > > 2/4/13
> > > 
> > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/8/11
> > > 
> > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/15/10
> > > 
> > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > could realize it.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 9/3/09
> > > 
> > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Me start TM again - surely you jest - as to my compliments to Barry - I don't 
really know anyone here on FFL but I do like his experience with the TMO and 
his willingness to share it, and some of the things he writes have assisted me 
in my own process and he is a good writer, able to think cogently and express 
it through his writing





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is 
fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last 
only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM 
again. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
(snip)
> It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not
> original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I
> listed),

In one of the posts from which I quoted, that should be.
I didn't quote the part where he attributes it to someone
else.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what
> is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry -
> it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone
> else thinks -

It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not
original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I
listed), but it begins to lose its charm after many
repetitions (especially when he tends to write about it
each time as if he'd just come up with it).

> I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz
> he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

There's a lot more to it than that. Let's just say we
know him a whole lot better than you do.

BTW, I don't think anyone said you were trying to insult
or criticize him. It was clear you were complimenting
him. And of course you had no idea how stale his post was.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is 
fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last 
only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM 
again. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> &

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I 
actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of 
what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz 
he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this 
case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very 
much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need 
for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 

No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his 
golden oldies.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convince

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this 
case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very 
much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need 
for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke.  

No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his 
golden oldies.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[wgm4u]

This is what happens when you don't practice yama and niyama and expect all 
virtues to just fall into your lapReligion and Meditation were meant to go 
"hand in hand", MMY SOBAL page 256 HB.

All eight limbs were meant to be practiced "simultaneously", MMY Gita appendix 
on Yoga.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Indeed it is. Are you surprised?
> 
> The family karma sure don't fall far from the tree, does it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wayback71@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the head
> of the TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see of events
> in India?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
> harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or
> testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone
> around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme
> propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is
> disheartening sickening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop
>  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya
> Mandir in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi
> Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental
> torture.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident
> earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to
> Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's
> Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also
> worked with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate
> with him.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband
> take her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five
> star hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband
> away on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism
> but when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided
> to file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had
> been trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with
> claims that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned
> Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\
> _molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

; > > > 9/3/09
> > > > > 
> > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > > 
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10/30/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > > always been available to him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5/8/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3/18/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > > to fly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I 
> > > > > > would do if I were to be 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

 > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 6/30/07
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > to "work."
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 11/24/06
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > as moodmaking.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 10/30/06
> > > >
> > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > always been available to him.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 5/8/06
> > > >
> > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3/18/06
> > > >
> > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > to fly.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the
> > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would
> do
> > > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it
> up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
> harassment
> > > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
>
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> > > > >
> > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a
> > > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > > trunk.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mantras don't "allow&quo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

t; > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 10/30/06
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > > always been available to him.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5/8/06
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3/18/06
> > > > >
> > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > > to fly.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as
to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I
would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to
look it up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

on into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > > 
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10/30/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > > always been available to him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5/8/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3/18/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > > to fly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I 
> > > > > > would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too 
> > > > > > lazy to look it up.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

ing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 6/30/07
> > > > 
> > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > to "work."
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 11/24/06
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 10/30/06
> > > > 
> > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > always been available to him.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 5/8/06
> > > > 
> > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 3/18/06
> > > > 
> > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > to fly.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I 
> > > > > would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy 
> > > > > to look it up.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual 
> > > > > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> > > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > > trunk. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mantras don't "allow"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > as moodmaking.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > >
> > >
> > > 10/30/06
> > >
> > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > always been available to him.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > >
> > >
> > > 5/8/06
> > >
> > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > >
> > >
> > > 3/18/06
> > >
> > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > to fly.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the
> > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do
> > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> > > >
> > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a
> > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > trunk.
> > > >
> > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather.
> > > >
> > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > > present.
> > > >
> > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not
> > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative.
> > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: sound of stillness 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
> > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the
> > True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made
> > after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > > >
> > > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new
> > movement unfolding?
> &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

IMO,
> > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > to "work."
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 11/24/06
> > > 
> > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > as moodmaking.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 10/30/06
> > > 
> > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > always been available to him.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 5/8/06
> > > 
> > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 3/18/06
> > > 
> > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > to fly.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would 
> > > > do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look 
> > > > it up.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment 
> > > > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> > > > 
> > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > trunk. 
> > > > 
> > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> > > > 
> > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > > present.
> > > > 
> > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
> > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: sound of stillness 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual 
> > > > > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the 
> > > > > True Self' that Stephen describes t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Share Long]

Ok, ok but being my annoying self I can't help but notice and point out that 
the oldest item on the list occurred almost EXACTLY 7 years ago.  As spooky as 
that is, gotta be a jyotish explanation for that (-:





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?

As a matter of fact, yes:

"I might also point out that searching the Web for information
to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
- Judy Stein, 11 February 2013

Also:

"Repetition is the mother of retention." 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> > 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

mitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > 
> > 
> > 5/8/06
> > 
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > 
> > 
> > 3/18/06
> > 
> > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > to fly.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do 
> > > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > > "The New Movement" - Buck
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> > > 
> > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > trunk. 
> > > 
> > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> > > 
> > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > present.
> > > 
> > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
> > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: sound of stillness 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment 
> > > > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > 
> > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True 
> > > > Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made 
> > > > after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > > 
> > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > > 
> > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new 
> > > > movement unfolding? 
> > > > 
> > > > What's the vision bro?
> > > > 
> > > > Michael
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from 
> > > > > the whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  
> > > > > Even for the guy at the top.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > > 
&g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

o transcend his own self-
> > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> >
> >
> > 5/8/06
> >
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> >
> >
> > 3/18/06
> >
> > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > to fly.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> >
> >
> >
> > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the
> alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do
> if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> > >
> > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a
> > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > trunk.
> > >
> > > It was never magic. It was just a feather.
> > >
> > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > present.
> > >
> > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not
> > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative.
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: sound of stillness 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
> harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > >
> > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the
> True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made
> after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > >
> > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > >
> > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new
> movement unfolding?
> > > >
> > > > What's the vision bro?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come
> forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those
> facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the
> whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy
> at the top.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here
> comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it 
appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he has 
someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New Jersey with no life 
would have bothered to look this up."?

Still laughing

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He never needed *anything*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[seventhray27]

Have you ever blown up a balloon, and instead of knotting it, you just
let it go and watch careen around the room in every different direction.
That's what this reminds me of.  Here you''ve been sidelined for about a
week, and now with your posting priviledges restored, you're just going
just, just, wait, that's it, bat shit crazy!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
>
> Buck, it is just Maharishi's legacy - I have always said here on FFL
that when someone, anyone creates something the energy with which they
create it finds its way to the furthest reaches of the creation.
Maharishi  created the Movement with deceit, and to further his own
lusts for money, power and sex.
> His lieutenants and relatives learned from him by example and
energetically. The current situation is an inevitable outcome of such a
creation - expect more to come over the years.
>
> I notice that Nabby, Merlin and the good Doctor are not making any
comments about one of
> their own following faithfully in Marshy's foot steps - how about it
> Nabby-Merlin-Doc? Whadda think of Marshy's nephew, given the fact that
he has been doing TM-Sidhi programme for how many decades???
>
> And is this being talked about 'round the Dome Buck?
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
>
>
> Â
> In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> >
> > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or
testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone
around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme
propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is
disheartening sickening.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > >
> > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir
in
> > > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal>
> > > > > has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya
Mandir group
> > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental
torture.
> > > > >
> > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier
this year at
> > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to
Bhopal couple of
> > > > > days ago.
> > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission
(SWC) alleging
> > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also
worked with the
> > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with
him.
> > > > >
> > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband
take her along
> > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star
hotel was
> > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away
on errands
> > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > >
> > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but
when it
> > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to
file a
> > > > > complaint.
> > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been
trying to
> > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims
that he sent
> > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned
Varma's image on
> > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\
_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> times more eloquently that I do

That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
said it 10 times before here:

2/4/13

I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
he had been capable of doing all along.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480


2/8/11

She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
"Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
his fictional case, literally).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265


2/15/10

The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
could realize it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345


9/3/09

The second concept on which we might differ is about
"nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
the person into realizing what is already present, and
has always already been present.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011


4/29/08

In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
"make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
doing what he had been able to do all along.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308


6/30/07

Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
that's the only reason that astrology appears
to "work."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519


11/24/06

I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
as moodmaking.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152


10/30/06

Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
always been available to him.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069


5/8/06

Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
fly was always present, just not realized.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433


3/18/06

The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
"magic feather" given to him was what enabled
him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
to fly.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429



> - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if 
> I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> 
> My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently 
that I do - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I 
were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 

My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
trunk. 

It was never magic. It was just a feather. 

Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
people into recognizing what has always already been
present.

As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 

> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 

My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
trunk. 

It was never magic. It was just a feather. 

Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
people into recognizing what has always already been
present.

As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 

> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A marrie

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

no thoughts no mantra no TMO 





 From: sound of stillness 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  


It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal>
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[sound of stillness]

It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> >   
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

The TMO





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  
mjackson74:
> Jesus Buck!
> 
Jesus MJ! Who put a cob up your ass today? LoL!

> What will it take for you to realize that long meditation 
> isn't gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly 
> been doing TM-Sidhis since they were first taught, I mean 
> come on!
> 
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 

> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > >
> 
> Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
> TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
> them heal.  This is really bad.
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
> > > > > > > > > achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> Jesus Buck!
> 
Jesus MJ! Who put a cob up your ass today? LoL!

> What will it take for you to realize that long meditation 
> isn't gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly 
> been doing TM-Sidhis since they were first taught, I mean 
> come on!
> 
> > > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?  
> > >  And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is 
> > > going?  There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and 
> > > folks in charge
> > >
> > 
> > Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still 
> > out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence 
> > in India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally 
> > subdued with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on. 
> >  Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with 
> > similar complaints about Girish. 
> > 

> > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > > the guy at the top.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in 
> > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > > >
> 
> Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
> TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
> them heal.  This is really bad.
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for 
> > > > > > > > > everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work 
> > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and 
> > > > > > > > > achieve great things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and 
> > > > > > > > > > > mental torture.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back 
> > > > > > > > > > > to Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's 
> > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
> > > > > > > > > > > with him.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her 
> > > > > > > > > > > husband take her along
> > > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

Buck, it is just Maharishi's legacy - I have always said here on FFL that when 
someone, anyone creates something the energy with which they create it finds 
its way to the furthest reaches of the creation. Maharishi  created the 
Movement with deceit, and to further his own lusts for money, power and sex. 
His lieutenants and relatives learned from him by example and energetically. 
The current situation is an inevitable outcome of such a creation - expect more 
to come over the years.

I notice that Nabby, Merlin and the good Doctor are not making any comments 
about one of 
their own following faithfully in Marshy's foot steps - how about it 
Nabby-Merlin-Doc? Whadda think of Marshy's nephew, given the fact that he has 
been doing TM-Sidhi programme for how many decades???

And is this being talked about 'round the Dome Buck?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  
In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
guideline for its employees and officers?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> there's gonna be trouble.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it 
> > now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to 
> > make things work well and achieve great things.  This is disheartening 
> > sickening.
> > 
> > >
> > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > 
> > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal>
> > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > group
> > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture.
> > > > 
> > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year 
> > > > at
> > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > couple of
> > > > days ago.
> > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > alleging
> > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the
> > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > 
> > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her 
> > > > along
> > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was
> > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > errands
> > > > and then molest her.
> > > > 
> > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it
> > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a
> > > > complaint.
> > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to
> > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he 
> > > > sent
> > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image 
> > > > on
> > > > social networking sites.
> > > > 
> > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

Jesus Buck! What will it take for you to realize that long meditation isn't 
gonna redeem these hoods - they have supposedly been doing TM-Sidhis since they 
were first taught, I mean come on!





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   
> > And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  
> > There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in 
> > charge
> >
> 
> Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still out 
> of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in 
> India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally subdued 
> with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on.  Indian 
> Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar 
> complaints about Girish. 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > the guy at the top.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, 
> > > > > > > after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > >

Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
them heal.  This is really bad.

> > > > 
> > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Mahari

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Michael Jackson]

Oh by all means post the links, please!

Apparently he is being accused of attempted murder as well, ahhh Marshy's 
legacy, it just keeps getting more
 sattvic all the time.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Maharishi-Vidya-Mandir-chairman-accused-of-molestation/articleshow/18857765.cms





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   
> And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  
> There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge
>

Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still out 
of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. 
Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally subdued with 
people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on.  Indian 
Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar 
complaints about Girish. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal>
> > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > &g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   
> > And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  
> > There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in 
> > charge
> >
> 
> Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still out 
> of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in 
> India. Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally subdued 
> with people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on.  Indian 
> Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar 
> complaints about Girish. 
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the 
> > > whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for 
> > > the guy at the top.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new 
> > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, 
> > > > > > > after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise 
> > > > > > the movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > >

Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those 
TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help 
them heal.  This is really bad.
  
> > > > 
> > > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident 
> > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate 
> > > > > > > > > > with him.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband 
> > > > > > > > > > take her along
> > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
> > > > > > > > > > star hotel was
> > > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband 
> > > > > > > > > > away on errands
> > > > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism 
> > > > > > > > > > but when it
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues <
> > > curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some 
> > > > manor!!! All are & stand innocent in law, till proven, 
> > > > in law or other wise!
> > >
> > > I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until 
> > > we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said 
> > > in my post about this.
> > >
> > > But the legal standards of judging cases really has little 
> > > to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't 
> > > even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) 
> > > Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by 
> > > the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect
> > > us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what 
> > > went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. 
> > > I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system 
> > > (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich 
> > > guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully 
> > > alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that
> > > basically made him untouchable.
> > >
> > > Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got 
> > > off remember. But he did it.
> > 
> > Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences 
> > around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was 
> > just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the 
> > pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. 
> 
> I will address this, because Ravi so clearly illustrates 
> the "just not getting it" mentality I spoke of in my earlier
> rap about Paris movies. Ravi is projecting what *he* might
> do, or thinks he might do, in a situation in which he found 
> himself surrounded by young, nubile students not averse to 
> developing a crush on their teachers and either trying their 
> best to seduce them, or being willing to be actively seduced 
> by the less-than-honorable ones.
> 
> Yes, it happens. And yes, all too frequently. But *not* to 
> all of us. Although I have taken a lot of heat on this forum
> for my unapologetic tales of how much nookie I got during my
> time as a TM teacher, all of that nookie was shared with fellow
> TM teachers, not any of my direct students. Did the opportunity
> present itself? You betcha. Did I go for it, or was I even
> tempted? No way, Jose. 
> 
> This is something that those who have never been placed in the
> position of being a teacher in a spiritual context will not
> fully understand. If you take it seriously -- as I did when
> teaching TM and later when teaching meditation for Rama - Fred
> Lenz -- you "just don't go there." The temptations *TO* go 
> there are many, and powerful. On TM residence courses, one of
> the games I had to warn potential teachers about when it was 
> still my job to prep them for teaching such courses was the
> phenomenon of "Fuck the course leader." Lovely young women
> (or men, if the course was taught by a woman) would get them-
> selves all jizzed up from all that meditation and try their
> best to get not only into the teacher's head, but into their
> pants as well. 
> 
> But IMO if you really "get" the essence of being placed in 
> the position of being a spiritual teacher -- even on the minor
> level of being a TM teacher -- you really don't even *think*
> of "going there." The students are *your* responsibility; 
> their welfare is *your* responsibility. Who in their right
> mind would fuck with that by fucking *them*? 
> 
> Which brings us to the subject of those who *aren't* in their
> right minds. 
> 
> That includes, of course, Maharishi, Rama, and now Girish.
> While on the level of compassion I can understand these guys'
> weakness, and on a personal level I have actually *experienced*
> the powerful temptation to channel some adoring spiritual
> groupie's attention in the direction of sexual attention, I
> believe personally that it's one of the biggest mistakes any
> spiritual teacher could ever make. And yes, I consider all
> three of the people named above utter scumbags for having
> done it. 
> 
> They might have had *other* qualities that were more admirable,
> and they might have done things that will help to balance the
> "karmic scales" when they're cruising the Bardo destined either
> for a higher rebirth or one in the hell worlds, but I'm think-
> ing that fucking your students is pretty much the same as 
> fucking *over* your students, and that's a shitload of karma
> that would be difficult to balance in anyone's eyes. 
> 
> There is simply too much of a power differential for "mutually
> consensual sex between equals" to ever happen in a spiritual
> context. Even if the teachers themselves don't present them-
> selves as "more than human" or almost god-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[curtisdeltablues]

Since Barry has already done the heavy lifting (I agree with everything he said 
about how seriously we took this role and what kind of scumbaggery is afoot 
when someone violates that trust) I would like to add two more things that I'll 
bet Ravi can relate to.

Have you ever met a very attractive chick between the ages of 28 and 34, never 
married, and you are at first surprised by how quickly she seems attracted to 
you.  (Your lucky day you think!)  On your first date she hits you with a 
question about your views on kids before the salad arrives and it comes to you 
that you are not on a date, you are on a job interview.  No questions about 
what you have read lately to see if your intellectual compatibility will lead 
to long discussions into the night, but how well you fit into a role as a daddy 
to her mommy.  There is something oddly impersonal about this interaction that 
always left me cold.  The initial show of attraction was no longer flattering, 
it was never about YOU.  Same chick doesn't even make the effort to pretend to 
dig into her purse when the check comes so you can gallantly wave her off with 
an "I got this".  She just sits back, looks you dead in the eye and conveys, 
"That's right, this is how this is going down.  All applicants pay for their 
own interview, that is how I can run the numbers I need to find him."

Chicks attracted to teachers had some of this vibe.


The second point that I'll bet you have seen is that cults have so many little 
unspoken cultural rules that it is less likely that you would be genuinely 
attracted to a person at a different level of involvement than you.  In TM the 
diet thing was huge.  I was eating our version of a vegetarian diet and 95% 
Indian food with Ayur Vedic this and that, so something as seemingly innocuous 
as someone who ate garlic was a total turnoff.  If they announced that they 
wanted a nice juicy burger (a statement that today would make me appreciate her 
more for her lust for life and sensual foods) would send me running. Like 
attracts like and when you have mistaken your conditioned preferences for 
"refined" enlightened tastes, that doubles the effect.  I was only seriously 
romantically interested in teachers of TM when I was a teacher.  There were too 
many secrets to maintain if they had not been through the training, and their 
soul was at stake.

Abusing the power differential, this attitude of really not taking the person 
seriously for a relationship and just using them, was a characteristic of the 
escapades of the Maharishi.  It sounds so far that the Girish may have been 
running the same version of hit and run.  

  






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues <
> > > curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some 
> > > > manor!!! All are & stand innocent in law, till proven, 
> > > > in law or other wise!
> > >
> > > I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until 
> > > we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said 
> > > in my post about this.
> > >
> > > But the legal standards of judging cases really has little 
> > > to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't 
> > > even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) 
> > > Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by 
> > > the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect
> > > us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what 
> > > went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. 
> > > I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system 
> > > (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich 
> > > guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully 
> > > alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that
> > > basically made him untouchable.
> > >
> > > Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got 
> > > off remember. But he did it.
> > 
> > Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences 
> > around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was 
> > just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the 
> > pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. 
> 
> I will address this, because Ravi so clearly illustrates 
> the "just not getting it" mentality I spoke of in my earlier
> rap about Paris movies. Ravi is projecting what *he* might
> do, or thinks he might do, in a situation in which he found 
> himself surrounded by young, nubile students not averse to 
> developing a crush on their teachers and either trying their 
> best to seduce them, or being willing to be actively seduced 
> by the less-than-honorable ones.
> 
> Yes, it happens. And yes, all too frequently. But *not* to 
> all of us. Although I have taken a lot of heat on this forum
> for my unapologetic tales of how muc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[Share Long]

And I thought the Christmas cap photo shifted me!  Thanks for this.  Brought 
both goose bumps and the beginning of tears...





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, 
innicent till judged by court!
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues <
> > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some 
> > > manor!!! All are & stand innocent in law, till proven, 
> > > in law or other wise!
> >
> > I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until 
> > we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said 
> > in my post about this.
> >
> > But the legal standards of judging cases really has little 
> > to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't 
> > even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) 
> > Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by 
> > the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect
> > us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what 
> > went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. 
> > I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system 
> > (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich 
> > guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully 
> > alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that
> > basically made him untouchable.
> >
> > Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got 
> > off remember. But he did it.
> 
> Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences 
> around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was 
> just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the 
> pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. 

I will address this, because Ravi so clearly illustrates 
the "just not getting it" mentality I spoke of in my earlier
rap about Paris movies. Ravi is projecting what *he* might
do, or thinks he might do, in a situation in which he found 
himself surrounded by young, nubile students not averse to 
developing a crush on their teachers and either trying their 
best to seduce them, or being willing to be actively seduced 
by the less-than-honorable ones.

Yes, it happens. And yes, all too frequently. But *not* to 
all of us. Although I have taken a lot of heat on this forum
for my unapologetic tales of how much nookie I got during my
time as a TM teacher, all of that nookie was shared with fellow
TM teachers, not any of my direct students. Did the opportunity
present itself? You betcha. Did I go for it, or was I even
tempted? No way, Jose. 

This is something that those who have never been placed in the
position of being a teacher in a spiritual context will not
fully understand. If you take it seriously -- as I did when
teaching TM and later when teaching meditation for Rama - Fred
Lenz -- you "just don't go there." The temptations *TO* go 
there are many, and powerful. On TM residence courses, one of
the games I had to warn potential teachers about when it was 
still my job to prep them for teaching such courses was the
phenomenon of "Fuck the course leader." Lovely young women
(or men, if the course was taught by a woman) would get them-
selves all jizzed up from all that meditation and try their
best to get not only into the teacher's head, but into their
pants as well. 

But IMO if you really "get" the essence of being placed in 
the position of being a spiritual teacher -- even on the minor
level of being a TM teacher -- you really don't even *think*
of "going there." The students are *your* responsibility; 
their welfare is *your* responsibility. Who in their right
mind would fuck with that by fucking *them*? 

Which brings us to the subject of those who *aren't* in their
right minds. 

That includes, of course, Maharishi, Rama, and now Girish.
While on the level of compassion I can understand these guys'
weakness, and on a personal level I have actually *experienced*
the powerful temptation to channel some adoring spiritual
groupie's attention in the direction of sexual attention, I
believe personally that it's one of the biggest mistakes any
spiritual teacher could ever make. And yes, I consider all
three of the people named above utter scumbags for having
done it. 

They might have had *other* qualities that were more admirable,
and they might have done things that will help to balance the
"karmic scales" when they're cruising the Bardo destined either
for a higher rebirth or one in the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues <
> > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some 
> > > manor!!! All are & stand innocent in law, till proven, 
> > > in law or other wise!
> >
> > I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until 
> > we have the facts we don't know what went on as I said 
> > in my post about this.
> >
> > But the legal standards of judging cases really has little 
> > to do with how we judge things in our daily life. (I don't 
> > even know if what the legal standard in India is, do you?) 
> > Throw in the very dubious influence peddling in India by 
> > the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect
> > us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what 
> > went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. 
> > I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system 
> > (or ours for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich 
> > guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many powerfully 
> > alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that
> > basically made him untouchable.
> >
> > Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got 
> > off remember. But he did it.
> 
> Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences 
> around this topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was 
> just not the Gurus - I'm sure you teachers got a piece of the 
> pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink, wink, smiley. 

I will address this, because Ravi so clearly illustrates 
the "just not getting it" mentality I spoke of in my earlier
rap about Paris movies. Ravi is projecting what *he* might
do, or thinks he might do, in a situation in which he found 
himself surrounded by young, nubile students not averse to 
developing a crush on their teachers and either trying their 
best to seduce them, or being willing to be actively seduced 
by the less-than-honorable ones.

Yes, it happens. And yes, all too frequently. But *not* to 
all of us. Although I have taken a lot of heat on this forum
for my unapologetic tales of how much nookie I got during my
time as a TM teacher, all of that nookie was shared with fellow
TM teachers, not any of my direct students. Did the opportunity
present itself? You betcha. Did I go for it, or was I even
tempted? No way, Jose. 

This is something that those who have never been placed in the
position of being a teacher in a spiritual context will not
fully understand. If you take it seriously -- as I did when
teaching TM and later when teaching meditation for Rama - Fred
Lenz -- you "just don't go there." The temptations *TO* go 
there are many, and powerful. On TM residence courses, one of
the games I had to warn potential teachers about when it was 
still my job to prep them for teaching such courses was the
phenomenon of "Fuck the course leader." Lovely young women
(or men, if the course was taught by a woman) would get them-
selves all jizzed up from all that meditation and try their
best to get not only into the teacher's head, but into their
pants as well. 

But IMO if you really "get" the essence of being placed in 
the position of being a spiritual teacher -- even on the minor
level of being a TM teacher -- you really don't even *think*
of "going there." The students are *your* responsibility; 
their welfare is *your* responsibility. Who in their right
mind would fuck with that by fucking *them*? 

Which brings us to the subject of those who *aren't* in their
right minds. 

That includes, of course, Maharishi, Rama, and now Girish.
While on the level of compassion I can understand these guys'
weakness, and on a personal level I have actually *experienced*
the powerful temptation to channel some adoring spiritual
groupie's attention in the direction of sexual attention, I
believe personally that it's one of the biggest mistakes any
spiritual teacher could ever make. And yes, I consider all
three of the people named above utter scumbags for having
done it. 

They might have had *other* qualities that were more admirable,
and they might have done things that will help to balance the
"karmic scales" when they're cruising the Bardo destined either
for a higher rebirth or one in the hell worlds, but I'm think-
ing that fucking your students is pretty much the same as 
fucking *over* your students, and that's a shitload of karma
that would be difficult to balance in anyone's eyes. 

There is simply too much of a power differential for "mutually
consensual sex between equals" to ever happen in a spiritual
context. Even if the teachers themselves don't present them-
selves as "more than human" or almost god-like (and many of
them do just that), the students tend to *project* such qual-
ities onto them. Who can legitimately say "No" when a person
you've been trained to view as a saint or enlightened asks
you to "Come up and see my etchings?" Almost no one.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, curtisdeltablues <
curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
> >
> > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some manor!!! All are
> & stand innocent in law, till proven, in law or other wise!
>
> I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until we have the facts
> we don't know what went on as I said in my post about this.
>
> But the legal standards of judging cases really has little to do with how
> we judge things in our daily life. (I don't even know if what the legal
> standard in India is, do you?) Throw in the very dubious influence peddling
> in India by the rich and powerful and it is probably unrealistic to expect
> us not to weigh in as the statements are published about what went on, to
> form opinions as best we can with what we know. I mean are you expressing
> faith that an Indian justice system (or ours for that matter) will deal
> impartially with a rich guy like Girish who has probably cultivated many
> powerfully alliances. Remember how well connected Sai Baba was. that
> basically made him untouchable.
>
> Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me. OJ got off remember.
> But he did it.
>

Yes - of course. What I would be interested is your experiences around this
topic as a teacher in the TM cult. Surely it was just not the Gurus - I'm
sure you teachers got a piece of the pie sometimes too yeah - smiley, wink,
wink, smiley.  Of course you may completely ignore my question and address
it from the perspective of the epistemological purity of neuroscience - if
so I totally understand - smiley, wink, wink, smiley.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   
> And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  
> There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge
>

Nothing here local yet, too new.  Lot of our poobahs and people are still out 
of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. 
Mostly just underlings here now.  Dome numbers are generally subdued with 
people still traveling.  Likely still some discovery going on.  Indian 
Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar 
complaints about Girish. 

 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > >   
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > > Mandir in
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi 
> > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also 
> > > > > > > > > worked with the
> > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband 
> > > > > > > > > take her along
> > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five 
> > > > > > > > > star hotel was
> > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband 
> > > > > > > > > away on errands
> > > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with 
> > > > > > > > > claims that he sent
> > > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment, innicent till judged by court!

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 WLeed3@ wrote:
> >
> > Suspension till case is adjudicated or settled in some manor!!! All
are & stand innocent in law, till proven, in law or other wise!
>
> I hear this invoked a lot and can appreciate that until we have the
facts we don't know what went on as I said in my post about this.
>
> But the legal standards of  judging cases really has little to do with
how we judge things in our daily life.  (I don't even know if what the
legal standard in India is, do you?)  Throw in the very dubious
influence peddling in India by the rich and powerful and it is probably
unrealistic to expect us not to weigh in as the statements are published
about what went on, to form opinions as best we can with what we know. 
I mean are you expressing faith that an Indian justice system (or ours
for that matter) will deal impartially with a rich guy like Girish who
has probably cultivated many powerfully alliances.  Remember how well
connected Sai Baba was.  that basically made him untouchable.
>
> Settled in law doesn't mean guilty or innocent to me.  OJ got off
remember.  But he did it.
>
>

And must We be to judgment brought,

And answer in that day

For ev'ry vain and idle thought

And ev'ry word We say?




We are passing away,

To that great judgment day.




Yes ev'ry secret of thy heart

Shall shortly be made known;

And thee receive thy just dessert

For all that thee have done.




We are passing away,

To that great judgment day.




How careful, then, ought We to be;

With what religious fear,

Who such a strict account must give

For thy behavior here.




We are passing away,

To that great judgment day.




> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here
comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, innocent 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new
sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after
this gang-rape case, which is still going on.
> > > >
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise
the movement in India will be dead.
> > > >
> >
> > According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual
harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or
testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for
everyone around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with
extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. 
This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop
 wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya
Mandir in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi
Vidya Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and
mental torture.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident
earlier this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back
to Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's
Commission (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also
worked with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate
with him.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her
husband take her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a
five star hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her
husband away on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social
ostracism but when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and
decided to file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had
been trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with
claims that he sent
> > > > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India?   And 
who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going?  There 
must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> >   
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Susan]

At first hearing - yes. After thinking about it - not at all
Five star hotels?  H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Indeed it is. Are you surprised?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the head of the 
> > TM org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see of events in India?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> > > > there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around 
> > > > > it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme 
> > > > > propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is 
> > > > > disheartening sickening.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > > > > alleging
> > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > > > > errands
> > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file 
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's 
> > > > > > > image on
> > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>