[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/5/06 10:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) > , MDixon6569@, MDi > > > > I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal > > had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it > will > > still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least > until > > there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. > > > The NY times article that Bob linked to, > > _http://www.nytimes.http://wwhttp://www.nytihttp://www.http_ > (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html) > > I mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it > directly. > > I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer > can be > recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and > heating fuel and > sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently > produce diesel fuel > from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is > starting to do it. > They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running > out so the gas-to- > fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned > into coal > liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is > also an old > technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield. > > > > > > > Amazing what economic factors can do in the development of energy. And the > United States has enormous coal reserves. Couple that with other promising > technologies in the pipe line, I think there is a brighter day ahead. All we > have to do is make industry aware of the desire for cleaner and more efficient > energy sources. > Price energy to reflect its full explicit and social cost, thus sending the correct price signal to markets, will change demand overnight -- and suppliers will get the message loud and clear. Markets respond to very quickly to prices. Markets are quite efficient when correct price signals are sent. Markets screw up when full costs are not reflected in prices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
In a message dated 7/5/06 10:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal > had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will > still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until > there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner.>The NY times article that Bob linked to,http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.htmlI mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it directly.I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer can be recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and heating fuel and sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce diesel fuel from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is starting to do it. They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running out so the gas-to-fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned into coal liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is also an old technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield. Amazing what economic factors can do in the development of energy. And the United States has enormous coal reserves. Couple that with other promising technologies in the pipe line, I think there is a brighter day ahead. All we have to do is make industry aware of the desire for cleaner and more efficient energy sources. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal > had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it > will > still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until > there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. > The NY times article that Bob linked to, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html I mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it directly. I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer can be recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and heating fuel and sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce diesel fuel from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is starting to do it. They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running out so the gas-to- fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned into coal liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is also an old technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal > had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will > still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until > there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. You are not keeping up with electric generation technology. See adjacent post "Carbon Sequestration". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
Responses interleaved: --- Vaj wrote: > > read Orson Bean's > (yes the guy who used to be on Truth or Consequences a lot) _Me and > Orgone_ (I can email a copy of it I found) Would you email it to me? I once read that Orson Bean would stay up all night working on a joke. That's my kind of work ethic. I'm curious as to what he had to say. Thanks kindly. > One of course could also look at the numerous other treatments > Reich's work spawned: ... Rolfing Reich's work relates to Ida Rolf's? I got Rolfed by a siddha buddy, and he never mentioned such a connection. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Michael Murphy wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html "The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry." It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. What they (the coal industry) will do I suspect is promote research which will show that particulate matter released into the atmosphere from coal burning actually helps mitigate the Greenhouse Effect. Therefore this will not only be a viable interim solution, it will help reverse global warming till "cleaner" solutions are in place and viable. The new WMD. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html > > "The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the > oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for > cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that > process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry." > It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:35 PM, new.morning wrote: Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Certainly! Yea, I bet they are doozies. Haliburton, the Tri-Lateral Commission and the pilot of the plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon are involved, right? IIRC the work we were seeing was from field notes and some preliminary papers from nurses and other physicians. One I remember was where they were taking devices which Reich believed could amplify and direct orgone in a particular direction, a kind of prana ray gun (LOL). In these initial notes, they would direct a stream of prana at the fetus, and in every case the unborn child would reposition itself to come closer to the stream of prana. I think one of the reasons material like this was released (ahead of the 2008 unsealing) by Reich's literary executor was so researchers *would* work on duplicating the research and/or take the implications of such research further. Given that some of the most prominent Orgonomists were at this conference, I'd be surprised if that wasn't already the case (this was in the late 80's). A lot of the material was on child development and very preliminary research, but if it panned out would have serious implications for the future. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: Check out: http://www.orgonomy.org/ Ok, I will. Mission accomplished. "Using Reich's astrophysical discoveries as a basis, it is possible to elucidate the relationships between different celestial motions. These relationships, though obvious once discovered, have eluded centuries of mechanistic research. In attempting to develop Reich's conclusion that "the equatorial orgone envelope provides the concrete physical mover of the planets," [1:81] it is shown that the directions of rotation of the sun and each of the nine planets are in simple functional relations to the galactic plane. This constitutes an advance over the mechanistic view, wherein there is no relationship whatsoever between the orientations of the planets relative to each other and no relationship between the directions of planetary rotation and other realms of celestial motion." So the empirical data, predictions, research, peer-reviewed publications, debate in journals, etc for this speculative theory is where?I'd write them and ask if that type of thing truly interests you. Pretty interesting quote, thanks. I assume the rest of the site is of this same caliber - grand speculations with no substance (as in research to back up (or disprove) the speculations. There's been a lot of on-going research but I'm only familiar with some of it. If you're really interested my guess would be the Journal of Orgonomy. This isn't the TM movement so I don't see these people really that interested in using this to sell something or get seen in other journals. A lot of research seemed geared towards repeating Reich's original experiments. From what I've heard it is all been duplicated and the college even teaches a lab course where you duplicate important orgone experiments. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:19 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Check out: http://www.orgonomy.org/ Ok, I will. On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:48 PM, new.morning wrote: I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of substance. There a huge amount of material out there and a lot online. Huge amount yes. Of substance -- not that I have seen. Though if quoting him gets one laid, I guess thats of substance. I would recommend reading his son's story _Book of Dreams_ as an intro to the guy, or (since that is hard to find) read Orson Bean's (yes the guy who used to be on Truth or Consequences a lot) _Me and Orgone_ (I can email a copy of it I found) which is hilarious and informative on someone who underwent Orgonomic treatment. If you *really* want to know everything about the guy, then read _Fury on Earth: A Biography of Wilhelm Reich_ by Myron R. Sharaf.One of course could also look at the numerous other treatments Reich's work spawned: bioenergetics, holotropic breath work, Rolfing, etc. It's fairly easy to find someone to Rolf you and still inexpensive. And unlike Orgonomic treatment, it's fairly quick--ten sessions or so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html "The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> As you know, most > >> scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! > > > > um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated > > presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. > > I guess that depends who you ask. > The general consensus in scientific > circles for years has been to scoff at it. I'll guess its based on no credible research on such has been repeated presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. But I'll ask around. > > > Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at > > least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The > > latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in > > predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass > > the apparent processes and "elements" involved. > > > >> No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't > >> many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in > >> utero and during development... > > > > Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? > > Certainly! Yea, I bet they are doozies. Haliburton, the Tri-Lateral Commission and the pilot of the plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon are involved, right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> As you know, most > >> scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! > > > > um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated > > presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. > > > > Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at > > least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The > > latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in > > predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass > > the apparent processes and "elements" involved. > > > >> No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't > >> many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in > >> utero and during development... > > > > Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? > > Do you realize you are sending out your messages in triplicate? (or > at least that's how they're arriving). One for the physical body, one for the astral, and one for the causal body. Duh. :) Each written by one of the gunas. Actually, I saw the dups happening for one post. i erased the two duplicates. I only sent it once. Yahoo's orgone is clearly blocked today and it is functioning poorly. Probably Yahoo needs to get laid. Maybe MSN will put on that hot short skirt and walk by. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > Check out: > > > > http://www.orgonomy.org/ > > Ok, I will. Mission accomplished. "Using Reich's astrophysical discoveries as a basis, it is possible to elucidate the relationships between different celestial motions. These relationships, though obvious once discovered, have eluded centuries of mechanistic research. In attempting to develop Reich's conclusion that "the equatorial orgone envelope provides the concrete physical mover of the planets," [1:81] it is shown that the directions of rotation of the sun and each of the nine planets are in simple functional relations to the galactic plane. This constitutes an advance over the mechanistic view, wherein there is no relationship whatsoever between the orientations of the planets relative to each other and no relationship between the directions of planetary rotation and other realms of celestial motion." So the empirical data, predictions, research, peer-reviewed publications, debate in journals, etc for this speculative theory is where? I assume the rest of the site is of this same caliber - grand speculations with no substance (as in research to back up (or disprove) the speculations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As you know, most scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Do you realize you are sending out your messages in triplicate? (or at least that's how they're arriving). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Check out: > > http://www.orgonomy.org/ Ok, I will. > On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:48 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of > > substance. > > There a huge amount of material out there and a lot online. Huge amount yes. Of substance -- not that I have seen. Though if quoting him gets one laid, I guess thats of substance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As you know, most scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.I guess that depends who you ask. The general consensus in scientific circles for years has been to scoff at it. Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Certainly! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As you know, most > scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. > No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't > many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in > utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As you know, most > scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined. Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. > No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't > many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in > utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:15 PM, new.morning wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies >> into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by >> corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars. >> In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they >> completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the >> people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The >> original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face >> it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these >> technologies never make it to the market. > > And which technologies are these? And which corporations? Haliburton > undoubtably is in there. And these technologies can ONLY be developed > by large corps that are "running the govt" and not small companies -- > where most innovations / patents, comes from, venture capital is > deployed, or start-ups from large corp runaways, etc? It seems to me the more grassroots movement that is bringing these technologies to market are smaller, but face strong opposition from oil companies. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/04/60minutes/main1588659.shtml? source=RSS&attr=60Minutes_1588659?CMP=ILC-SearchStories Brazil made the decision years ago to be oil dependent, what are the factors that have prevented that from occurring here? > > >> A grassroots economy handed >> over to non-factory farmers > > Most new sectors are created by innovators and entrepreneurs, not > "handed over' by anyone. See the above article/video. > >> and rendering energy policy back to the >> people > > One good election could do wonders, though from Carter to Clinton, > they have miffed huge opportunities in energy policy Depending on who sways votes or the voting machines... > >> is totally untenable to our current political situation. A >> government OF the people and BY the people? Get real. > > Vote for the 15 points: IRV, no jerrymandering, public funding of pres > and congress, flat tax, etc and the people will begin to re-own the > gov't. Otherwise, jefferson's expectation a revolution (new > consitution, new govt) every 20-50 years, may become even riper. I'm hoping. > >> Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically >> engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable >> in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use. > > Hardly a believable premise as an absolute ("the only"). A deliberate exaggeration of a nightmare future. > Which > corporations specifically doing this? Is it disclosed in their > quarterly 10-Q's -- in which public companies are required to disclose > all relevant information regarding their financial positions and > prospects. LOL. Yeah, right. How did the genetically engineered food labeling act got through congress so quietly? Gremlins! That's it! > >> Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and >> atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to >> help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. > > Wow. This is happening? And escaped the notice of most climate > scientists? http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/ Chemtrails_In_US_Schools.htm > >> This technology >> and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the >> public school system. > > Um, in which course is that? > >> But the real danger is in what we don't know. > > Or perhaps for some, a greater danger is in the bogus things they > think they know. > >> As many mystical >> traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient >> life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific >> materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist, >> Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned >> and he was thrown into prison (where he died). > > Not the version I remember. > >> Never mind the motor >> which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared >> at the same time. > > Free as in "water", for example. Water is free, hydro power is not. Well, I saw an old video. It required an initial start from electricity and then supposedly ran entirely on "orgone". > > And who besides Reich saw this machine? His son, Peter, numerous others. IIRC it's mentioned in Peter's _Book of Dreams_. > >> Never mind his research which showed >> desertification was linked to prana depletion. > > > Ok, I won't mind some reserch which is not detailed as to its > credibility and worth. It's fairly detailed and has been followed up by geologists. Interesting stuff. I was extremely skeptical as well. Interesting if it pans out. > >> Don't even speak of >> his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the >> devices he created. > > OK. Mums the word. > > >> Fortunately his remaining works were
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of substance. Though he was popular in the 60's as the advocate of social problems being due to too little indiscriminant sex. Popular set of lines developed quoting Reich. And no valid research on his orgone boxes energies in those 30 years that I can see. Even though his works appear quite well accessable and published (and thus knowledge of his "technologies" do not appear secret or hidden. http://skepdic.com/orgone.html ...unlike Sir Isaac Newton, Reich was not willing to stand upon the shoulders of giants. He stood only as high as his own experiences would allow, and from this low perch imagined himself to be a lone eagle soaring higher than any other man had ever reached. Reich died on November 3, 1957, in the Federal Penitentiary at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, where he was sent for criminal contempt. The criminal charge was levied because Reich refused to obey an injunction against selling quack medical devices such as the Orgone Accumulator and orgone "shooters," devices which allegedly could collect and distribute orgone energy, thereby making possible the cure for just about any medical disorder except, perhaps, megalomania and self-delusion. Despite having little status in the scientific community, Reich's ideas have been passed on by a number of devoted followers led by Elsworth F. Baker, M.D., founder of The American College of Orgonomy, and Dr. James DeMeo of The Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory, Inc., located in Ashland, Oregon. Baker's successors (he died in 1985) and DeMeo continue to defend both Reich the scientist and orgonomy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich In 1947, following a series of articles about orgone in The New Republic and Harper's, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) began an investigation into Reich's claims about orgone therapy, and won an injunction against its promotion as a medical treatment. Charged with contempt of court for violating the injunction, Reich conducted his own defense, which involved sending the judge all his books to read. He was sentenced to two years' imprisonment. Reich developed a theory that the ability to feel sexual love depended on a physical ability to make love with what he called "orgastic potency." He attempted to "measure" the male orgasm, noting that four distinct phases occurred physiologically: first, the psychosexual build-up or tension; second. the tumescence of the penis, with an accompanying "charge," which Reich measured electrically; third, an electrical discharge at the moment of orgasm, and fourth, the relaxation of the penis. He believed the force that he measured was a distinct type of energy present in all life forms. He called it "orgone." [3] Reich agreed with Freud that sexual development was the origin of mental disorder. They both believed that most psychological states were dictated by unconscious processes; that infant sexuality develops early but is repressed, and that this has important consequences for mental health. They were both atheists, believing that morality is a repression of the sexuality of individuals imposed on them as they move from childhood to maturity. At that time a Marxist, Reich argued that the source of sexual repression was bourgeois morality and the socio-economic structures that produced it. As sexual repression was the cause of the neuroses, the best cure would be to have an active, guilt-free sex life. He argued that such a liberation could come about only through a morality not imposed by a repressive economic structure. [4] In 1928, he joined the Austrian Communist Party and founded the Socialist Association for Sexual Counselling and Research, which organized counselling centers for workersin contrast to Freud, who was perceived as treating only the bourgeoisie. Reich employed an unusual therapeutic method. He used touch to accompany the talking cure, taking an active role in sessions, feeling his patients' chests [Its ok, I'm a doctor] to check their breathing, repositioning their bodies, and sometimes requiring them to remove their clothes [again, its ok, i am a scientist], so that men were treated wearing shorts and women in bra and panties. These methods caused a split between Reich and the rest of the psychoanalytic community. [5] In 1930, he moved his practice to Berlin and joined the Communist Party of Germany, becoming its spokesman. In 1940, Reich built boxes orgone accumulators to concentrate orgone energy in the atmosphere, some for lab animals, and some large enough for a human being to sit inside. He now believed orgone was a type of primordial cosmic energy, blue in color, which he claimed was omnipresent and responsible for such things as weather, the color of the sky, gravity, the formation of galaxies, and the biological expressions of emotion and sexuality. Composed of alternating layers of ferrous metals and insulators with a high-dielectrical constant, his orgone
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies > into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by > corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars. > In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they > completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the > people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The > original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face > it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these > technologies never make it to the market. And which technologies are these? And which corporations? Haliburton undoubtably is in there. And these technologies can ONLY be developed by large corps that are "running the govt" and not small companies -- where most innovations / patents, comes from, venture capital is deployed, or start-ups from large corp runaways, etc? > A grassroots economy handed > over to non-factory farmers Most new sectors are created by innovators and entrepreneurs, not "handed over' by anyone. > and rendering energy policy back to the > people One good election could do wonders, though from Carter to Clinton, they have miffed huge opportunities in energy policy >is totally untenable to our current political situation. A > government OF the people and BY the people? Get real. Vote for the 15 points: IRV, no jerrymandering, public funding of pres and congress, flat tax, etc and the people will begin to re-own the gov't. Otherwise, jefferson's expectation a revolution (new consitution, new govt) every 20-50 years, may become even riper. > Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically > engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable > in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use. Hardly a believable premise as an absolute ("the only"). Which corporations specifically doing this? Is it disclosed in their quarterly 10-Q's -- in which public companies are required to disclose all relevant information regarding their financial positions and prospects. > Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and > atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to > help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. Wow. This is happening? And escaped the notice of most climate scientists? > This technology > and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the > public school system. Um, in which course is that? > But the real danger is in what we don't know. Or perhaps for some, a greater danger is in the bogus things they think they know. > As many mystical > traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient > life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific > materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist, > Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned > and he was thrown into prison (where he died). Not the version I remember. >Never mind the motor > which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared > at the same time. Free as in "water", for example. Water is free, hydro power is not. And who besides Reich saw this machine? > Never mind his research which showed > desertification was linked to prana depletion. Ok, I won't mind some reserch which is not detailed as to its credibility and worth. > Don't even speak of > his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the > devices he created. OK. Mums the word. > Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years > after his death. And what? The Tri-Lateral commission won't let it be opened? Even though it will save the earth? > 2008 marks the end of that 50 years and from what > I've seen, it's some pretty remarkable research... So what other scientists share that view? Why nothing of note yet in the science press? Or if I missed it, what are the cites in quality science publications? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Michael Murphy wrote: Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil reserves are "fixed" when there are some recent ideas in geology that talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly over time. The key here is SLOWLY which makes it rather academic. We have used up reserves that took millions or billions of years to produce in just 100+ years. We will probably use of the rest in considerably less time. Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less impacting sources of energy. Yes. Unfortunately as oil disappears we will be tempted to use more coal, which is more plentiful. Coal can be turned into an automotive fuel. The Germans did it durning WWII. But it is costly and inefficient. Oddly enough more coal use could actually slow global warming. There is a new therory, that has be substanciated to a degree, that the effects of global warming have actually been postponed by particulate polution in the atmosphere, which reflects much of the sun's energy. The down side of this is that the style of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy. There is likely to be a renaisance of nuclear. However, construction, maintainance, mining and refining of uranium, and decommissioning of nuclear plants require massive amounts of fossil fuel. Unfortunately, many of the cleaner altenatives such as wind and solar cells also require large fossil inputs to manufacture and sustain. Many manufacturing processes depend on very high temperatures which are hard to produce without fossil fuels. We tend not to realize what a integral part of technological civilization they are. History might actually refer to the 19th, 20th, and 21st centurys as the fossil fuel civilization. That is if there is still such a thing as history. It may be critical to get the alternative in place before the oil to create them is gone. Otherwise it will be impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production. The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars. In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these technologies never make it to the market. A grassroots economy handed over to non-factory farmers and rendering energy policy back to the people is totally untenable to our current political situation. A government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. This technology and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the public school system.But the real danger is in what we don't know. As many mystical traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist, Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned and he was thrown into prison (where he died). Never mind the motor which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared at the same time. Never mind his research which showed desertification was linked to prana depletion. Don't even speak of his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the devices he created.Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years after his death. 2008 marks the end of that 50 years and from what I've seen, it's some pretty remarkable research...It will be a pivotal next hundred years or so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Serv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
> Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil > reserves are "fixed" when there are some recent ideas in geology that > talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In > other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly > over time. The key here is SLOWLY which makes it rather academic. We have used up reserves that took millions or billions of years to produce in just 100+ years. We will probably use of the rest in considerably less time. > > Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these > products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less > impacting sources of energy. Yes. Unfortunately as oil disappears we will be tempted to use more coal, which is more plentiful. Coal can be turned into an automotive fuel. The Germans did it durning WWII. But it is costly and inefficient. Oddly enough more coal use could actually slow global warming. There is a new therory, that has be substanciated to a degree, that the effects of global warming have actually been postponed by particulate polution in the atmosphere, which reflects much of the sun's energy. > The down side of this is that the style > of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy. There is likely to be a renaisance of nuclear. However, construction, maintainance, mining and refining of uranium, and decommissioning of nuclear plants require massive amounts of fossil fuel. Unfortunately, many of the cleaner altenatives such as wind and solar cells also require large fossil inputs to manufacture and sustain. Many manufacturing processes depend on very high temperatures which are hard to produce without fossil fuels. We tend not to realize what a integral part of technological civilization they are. History might actually refer to the 19th, 20th, and 21st centurys as the fossil fuel civilization. That is if there is still such a thing as history. It may be critical to get the alternative in place before the oil to create them is gone. Otherwise it will be impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/