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On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:19 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Check out:  http://www.orgonomy.org/  Ok, I will.   On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:48 PM, new.morning wrote:  I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of substance.  There a huge amount of material out there and a lot online.  Huge amount yes. Of substance -- not that I have seen. Though if quoting him gets one laid, I guess thats of substance.  I would recommend reading his son's story _Book of Dreams_ as an intro to the guy, or (since that is hard to find) read Orson Bean's (yes the guy who used to be on Truth or Consequences a lot) _Me and Orgone_ (I can email a copy of it I found) which is hilarious and informative on someone who underwent Orgonomic treatment. If you *really* want to know everything about the guy, then read _Fury on Earth: A Biography of Wilhelm Reich_  by Myron R. Sharaf.One of course could also look at the numerous other treatments Reich's work spawned: bioenergetics, holotropic breath work, Rolfing, etc. It's fairly easy to find someone to Rolf you and still inexpensive. And unlike Orgonomic treatment, it's fairly quick--ten sessions or so.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich

On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Check out: http://www.orgonomy.org/ Ok, I will. Mission accomplished. "Using Reich's astrophysical discoveries as a basis, it is possible to elucidate the relationships between different celestial motions. These relationships, though obvious once discovered, have eluded centuries of mechanistic research. In attempting to develop Reich's conclusion that "the equatorial orgone envelope provides the concrete physical mover of the planets," [1:81] it is shown that the directions of rotation of the sun and each of the nine planets are in simple functional relations to the galactic plane. This constitutes an advance over the mechanistic view, wherein there is no relationship whatsoever between the orientations of the planets relative to each other and no relationship between the directions of planetary rotation and other realms of celestial motion." So the empirical data, predictions, research, peer-reviewed publications, debate in journals, etc for this speculative theory is where?I'd write them and ask if that type of thing truly interests you. Pretty interesting quote, thanks. I assume the rest of the site is of this same caliber - grand speculations with no substance (as in research to back up (or disprove) the speculations. There's been a lot of on-going research but I'm only familiar with some of it. If you're really interested my guess would be the Journal of Orgonomy. This isn't the TM movement so I don't see these people really that interested in using this to sell something or get seen in other journals. A lot of research seemed geared towards repeating Reich's original experiments. From what I've heard it is all been duplicated and the college even teaches a lab course where you duplicate important orgone experiments.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:35 PM, new.morning wrote: Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Certainly! Yea, I bet they are doozies. Haliburton, the Tri-Lateral Commission and the pilot of the plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon are involved, right? IIRC the work we were seeing was from field notes and some preliminary papers from nurses and other physicians. One I remember was where they were taking devices which Reich believed could amplify and direct orgone in a particular direction, a kind of prana ray gun (LOL). In these initial notes, they would direct a stream of prana at the fetus, and in every case the unborn child would reposition itself to come closer to the stream of prana. I think one of the reasons material like this was released (ahead of the 2008 unsealing) by Reich's literary executor was so researchers *would* work on duplicating the research and/or take the implications of such research further. Given that some of the most prominent Orgonomists were at this conference, I'd be surprised if that wasn't already the case (this was in the late 80's). A lot of the material was on child development and very preliminary research, but if it panned out would have serious implications for the future.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-05 Thread Michael Murphy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html
 
 The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the 
 oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for 
 cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that 
 process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry.

It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial 
sector. It will 
increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess 
is that when 
push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american 
life style 
and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain 
our 
wasteful life style.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Michael Murphy wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html "The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry." It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. What they (the coal industry) will do I suspect is promote research which will show that particulate matter released into the atmosphere from coal burning actually helps mitigate the Greenhouse Effect. Therefore this will not only be a viable interim solution, it will help reverse global warming till "cleaner" solutions are in place and viable. The new WMD.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich

2006-07-05 Thread Patrick Gillam

Responses interleaved:

---  Vaj wrote:

 read Orson Bean's  
 (yes the guy who used to be on Truth or Consequences a lot) _Me and  
 Orgone_ (I can email a copy of it I found)

Would you email it to me? I once read that Orson Bean would stay up all night 
working on a 
joke. That's my kind of work ethic. I'm curious as to what he had to say. 
Thanks kindly.

 One of course could also look at the numerous other treatments  
 Reich's work spawned: ... Rolfing

Reich's work relates to Ida Rolf's? I got Rolfed by a siddha buddy, and he 
never mentioned 
such a connection.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-05 Thread MDixon6569






I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the 
effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. 
However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at 
least until there is a technology to burn significantly 
cleaner.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-05 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the 
effect coal 
 had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. 
However it will 
 still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at 
least until 
 there is a technology to burn significantly  cleaner.


You are not keeping up with electric generation technology. See
adjacent post Carbon Sequestration.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-05 Thread Michael Murphy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the  effect coal 
 had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world.  However it 
 will 
 still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at  least until 
 there is a technology to burn significantly  cleaner.

The NY times article that Bob linked to,

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html

I mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it 
directly.

I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer can 
be 
recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and heating 
fuel and 
sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce 
diesel fuel 
from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is 
starting to do it. 
They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running out 
so the gas-to-
fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned into 
coal 
liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is also 
an old 
technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-05 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 7/5/06 10:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: I don't think coal will ever 
  replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal  had in creating acid 
  rain and deforestation around the world. However it will  still be 
  used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until  
  there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner.The NY times 
  article that Bob linked to,http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.htmlI 
  mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it 
  directly.I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous 
  emmissions. The sulfer can be recovered in the processes being used to 
  turn coal into automotive and heating fuel and sold for other uses. 
  Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce diesel fuel from 
  coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is starting 
  to do it. They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas 
  is running out so the gas-to-fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost 
  effective. They are being turned into coal liquification plants without 
  excessive modification. Coal gasification is also an old technology. They 
  used to have a plant right here in 
Fairfield.

Amazing what economic factors can do in the development of 
energy. And the United States has enormous coal reserves. Couple that with other 
promising technologies in the pipe line, I think there is a brighter day ahead. 
All we have to do is make industry aware of the desire for cleaner and more 
efficient energy sources.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-05 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/5/06 10:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  I don't think coal will ever  replace oil. Everybody knows the
effect coal 
  had in creating acid  rain and deforestation around the world.
However it 
 will 
  still be  used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at
least 
 until 
   there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner.
 
 The NY times  article that Bob linked to,
 
 _http://www.nytimes.http://wwhttp://www.nytihttp://www.http_ 
 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html) 
 
 I  mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not
burning it  
 directly.
 
 I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous  emmissions.
The sulfer 
 can be 
 recovered in the processes being used to  turn coal into automotive and 
 heating fuel and 
 sold for other uses.  Appearantly, from the article they can currently 
 produce diesel fuel 
 from  coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why
business is 
 starting  to do it. 
 They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas  is
running 
 out so the gas-to-
 fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost  effective. They are being
turned 
 into coal 
 liquification plants without  excessive modification. Coal
gasification is 
 also an old 
 technology. They  used to have a plant right here in  Fairfield.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Amazing what economic factors can do in the development of  energy.
And the 
 United States has enormous coal reserves. Couple that with other 
promising 
 technologies in the pipe line, I think there is a brighter day
ahead.  All we 
 have to do is make industry aware of the desire for cleaner and more
 efficient 
 energy sources.



Price energy to reflect its full explicit and social cost, thus
sending the correct price signal to markets, will change demand
overnight -- and suppliers will get the message loud and clear. 

Markets respond to very quickly to prices. Markets are quite efficient
when correct price signals are sent. Markets screw up when full costs
are not reflected in prices.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

2006-07-04 Thread Michael Murphy


 Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil  
 reserves are fixed when there are some recent ideas in geology that  
 talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In  
 other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly  
 over time.

The key here is SLOWLY which makes it rather academic. We have used up reserves 
that 
took millions or billions of years to produce in just 100+ years. We will 
probably use of the 
rest in considerably less time. 
 
 Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these  
 products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less  
 impacting sources of energy.

Yes. Unfortunately as oil disappears we will be tempted to use more coal, which 
is more 
plentiful.  Coal can be turned into an automotive fuel. The Germans did it 
durning WWII. 
But it is costly and inefficient. Oddly enough more coal use could actually 
slow global 
warming. There is a new therory, that has be substanciated to a degree, that 
the effects of 
global warming have actually been postponed by particulate polution in the 
atmosphere, 
which reflects much of the sun's energy. 

 The down side of this is that the style  
 of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy.

There is likely to be a renaisance of nuclear. However, construction, 
maintainance, mining 
and refining of uranium, and decommissioning of nuclear plants require massive 
amounts 
of fossil fuel. Unfortunately, many of the cleaner altenatives such as wind and 
solar cells 
also require large fossil inputs to manufacture and sustain. Many manufacturing 
processes 
depend on very high temperatures which are hard to produce without fossil 
fuels. We tend 
not to realize what a integral part of technological civilization they are. 
History might 
actually refer to the 19th, 20th, and 21st centurys as the fossil fuel 
civilization. That is if 
there is still such a thing as history. It may be critical to get the 
alternative in place before 
the oil to create them is gone. Otherwise it will be impossible to bootstrap 
new 
technologies into large scale production.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Michael Murphy wrote: Peak oil theory is based on the possibly flawed theory that world oil reserves are "fixed" when there are some recent ideas in geology that talk of crude oil as being a kind of natural exudate of the earth. In other words the planet naturally produces these substances slowly over time. The key here is SLOWLY which makes it rather academic. We have used up reserves that took millions or billions of years to produce in just 100+ years. We will probably use of the rest in considerably less time. Bottom line however is unchanged: burning and consumption of these products is harmful to the atmosphere. Therefore we need to find less impacting sources of energy. Yes. Unfortunately as oil disappears we will be tempted to use more coal, which is more plentiful. Coal can be turned into an automotive fuel. The Germans did it durning WWII. But it is costly and inefficient. Oddly enough more coal use could actually slow global warming. There is a new therory, that has be substanciated to a degree, that the effects of global warming have actually been postponed by particulate polution in the atmosphere, which reflects much of the sun's energy. The down side of this is that the style of energy we are likely to adopt in transition is nuclear energy. There is likely to be a renaisance of nuclear. However, construction, maintainance, mining and refining of uranium, and decommissioning of nuclear plants require massive amounts of fossil fuel. Unfortunately, many of the cleaner altenatives such as wind and solar cells also require large fossil inputs to manufacture and sustain. Many manufacturing processes depend on very high temperatures which are hard to produce without fossil fuels. We tend not to realize what a integral part of technological civilization they are. History might actually refer to the 19th, 20th, and 21st centurys as the fossil fuel civilization. That is if there is still such a thing as history. It may be critical to get the alternative in place before the oil to create them is gone. Otherwise it will be impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production. The idea that it's hard or "impossible to bootstrap new technologies into large scale production" IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars. In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they completely turned over their economy and developed a "car of the people", the "Volkswagen" and it ran on indigenous fuels. The original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these technologies never make it to the market. A grassroots economy handed over to non-factory farmers and rendering energy policy back to the people is totally untenable to our current political situation. A government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. This technology and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the public school system.But the real danger is in what we don't know. As many mystical traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist, Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned and he was thrown into prison (where he died). Never mind the motor which ran on free "orgone" energy (as he termed it) which disappeared at the same time. Never mind his research which showed desertification was linked to prana depletion. Don't even speak of his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the devices he created.Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years after his death. 2008 marks the end of that 50 years and from what I've seen, it's some pretty remarkable research...It will be a pivotal next hundred years or so.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

 The idea that it's hard or impossible to bootstrap new technologies  
 into large scale production IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by  
 corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars.  
 In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they  
 completely turned over their economy and developed a car of the  
 people, the Volkswagen and it ran on indigenous fuels. The  
 original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face  
 it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these  
 technologies never make it to the market. 

And which technologies are these? And which corporations? Haliburton
undoubtably is in there. And these technologies can ONLY be developed
by large corps that are running the govt and not small companies --
where most innovations / patents, comes from, venture capital is
deployed, or start-ups from large corp  runaways, etc?  

 A grassroots economy handed  
 over to non-factory farmers 

Most new sectors are created by innovators and entrepreneurs, not
handed over' by anyone. 

 and rendering energy policy back to the  
 people 

One good election could do wonders, though from Carter to Clinton,
they have miffed huge opportunities in energy policy

is totally untenable to our current political situation. A  
 government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.

Vote for the 15 points: IRV, no jerrymandering, public funding of pres
and congress, flat tax, etc and the people will begin to re-own the
gov't. Otherwise, jefferson's expectation a revolution (new
consitution, new govt) every 20-50 years, may become even riper. 
 
 Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically  
 engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable  
 in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.

Hardly a believable premise as an absolute (the only). Which
corporations specifically doing this? Is it disclosed in their
quarterly 10-Q's -- in which public companies are required to disclose
all relevant information regarding their financial positions and
prospects. 
 
 Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and  
 atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to  
 help shunt some solar radiation back out into space. 

Wow. This is happening? And escaped the notice of most climate scientists?

 This technology  
 and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the  
 public school system.

Um, in which course is that? 
 
 But the real danger is in what we don't know. 

Or perhaps for some, a greater danger is in the bogus things they
think they know. 

 As many mystical  
 traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient  
 life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific  
 materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist,  
 Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned  
 and he was thrown into prison (where he died). 

Not the version I remember.

Never mind the motor  
 which ran on free orgone energy (as he termed it) which disappeared  
 at the same time. 

Free as in water, for example. Water is free, hydro power is not. 

And who besides Reich saw this machine?

 Never mind his research which showed  
 desertification was linked to prana depletion. 


Ok, I won't mind some reserch which is not detailed as to its
credibility and worth.

 Don't even speak of  
 his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the  
 devices he created.

OK. Mums the word.


 Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years  
 after his death. 

And what? The Tri-Lateral commission won't let it be opened? Even
though it will save the earth?

 2008 marks the end of that 50 years and from what  
 I've seen, it's some pretty remarkable research...

So what other scientists share that view? Why nothing of note yet in
the science press? Or if I missed it, what are the cites in quality
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich

I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of
substance. Though he was popular in the 60's as the advocate of social
problems being due to too little indiscriminant sex. Popular set of
lines developed quoting Reich. And no valid research on his orgone
boxes energies in those 30 years that I can see. Even though his works
appear quite well accessable and published (and thus knowledge of his
technologies do not appear secret or hidden. 


http://skepdic.com/orgone.html
...unlike Sir Isaac Newton, Reich was not willing to stand upon the
shoulders of giants. He stood only as high as his own experiences
would allow, and from this low perch imagined himself to be a lone
eagle soaring higher than any other man had ever reached. 

Reich died on November 3, 1957, in the Federal Penitentiary at
Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, where he was sent for criminal contempt. The
criminal charge was levied because Reich refused to obey an injunction
against selling quack medical devices such as the Orgone Accumulator
and orgone shooters, devices which allegedly could collect and
distribute orgone energy, thereby making possible the cure for  just
about any medical disorder except, perhaps, megalomania and self-delusion.

Despite having little status in the scientific community, Reich's
ideas have been passed on by a number of devoted followers led by
Elsworth F. Baker, M.D., founder of  The American College of Orgonomy,
and Dr. James DeMeo of The Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory,
Inc., located in Ashland, Oregon. Baker's successors (he died in 1985)
and DeMeo continue to defend both Reich the scientist and orgonomy. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich
In 1947, following a series of articles about orgone in The New
Republic and Harper's, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
began an investigation into Reich's claims about orgone therapy, and
won an injunction against its promotion as a medical treatment.
Charged with contempt of court for violating the injunction, Reich
conducted his own defense, which involved sending the judge all his
books to read. He was sentenced to two years' imprisonment.

Reich developed a theory that the ability to feel sexual love depended
on a physical ability to make love with what he called orgastic
potency. He attempted to measure the male orgasm, noting that four
distinct phases occurred physiologically: first, the psychosexual
build-up or tension; second. the tumescence of the penis, with an
accompanying charge, which Reich measured electrically; third, an
electrical discharge at the moment of orgasm, and fourth, the
relaxation of the penis. He believed the force that he measured was a
distinct type of energy present in all life forms. He called it
orgone. [3]


Reich agreed with Freud that sexual development was the origin of
mental disorder. They both believed that most psychological states
were dictated by unconscious processes; that infant sexuality develops
early but is repressed, and that this has important consequences for
mental health. They were both atheists, believing that morality is a
repression of the sexuality of individuals imposed on them as they
move from childhood to maturity. At that time a Marxist, Reich argued
that the source of sexual repression was bourgeois morality and the
socio-economic structures that produced it. As sexual repression was
the cause of the neuroses, the best cure would be to have an active,
guilt-free sex life. He argued that such a liberation could come about
only through a morality not imposed by a repressive economic
structure. [4] In 1928, he joined the Austrian Communist Party and
founded the Socialist Association for Sexual Counselling and Research,
which organized counselling centers for workersin contrast to Freud,
who was perceived as treating only the bourgeoisie.

Reich employed an unusual therapeutic method. He used touch to
accompany the talking cure, taking an active role in sessions, feeling
his patients' chests [Its ok, I'm a doctor] to check their breathing,
repositioning their bodies, and sometimes requiring them to remove
their clothes [again, its ok, i am a scientist], so that men were
treated wearing shorts and women in bra and panties. These methods
caused a split between Reich and the rest of the psychoanalytic
community. [5]

In 1930, he moved his practice to Berlin and joined the Communist
Party of Germany, becoming its spokesman. 

In 1940, Reich built boxes  orgone accumulators  to concentrate
orgone energy in the atmosphere, some for lab animals, and some large
enough for a human being to sit inside. He now believed orgone was a
type of primordial cosmic energy, blue in color, which he claimed was
omnipresent and responsible for such things as weather, the color of
the sky, gravity, the formation of galaxies, and the biological
expressions of emotion and sexuality. Composed of alternating layers
of ferrous metals and insulators with a high-dielectrical constant,
his orgone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil


On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:15 PM, new.morning wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 The idea that it's hard or impossible to bootstrap new technologies
 into large scale production IMO is a lie. It's a lie perpetutated by
 corporatism--and of course inspired by energy corps and their Czars.
 In WW II when Germany was landloacked from oil resources they
 completely turned over their economy and developed a car of the
 people, the Volkswagen and it ran on indigenous fuels. The
 original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil. Let's face
 it, the corporations that run our government have made sure these
 technologies never make it to the market.

 And which technologies are these? And which corporations? Haliburton
 undoubtably is in there. And these technologies can ONLY be developed
 by large corps that are running the govt and not small companies --
 where most innovations / patents, comes from, venture capital is
 deployed, or start-ups from large corp  runaways, etc?

It seems to me the more grassroots movement that is bringing these  
technologies to market are smaller, but face strong opposition from  
oil companies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/04/60minutes/main1588659.shtml? 
source=RSSattr=60Minutes_1588659?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

Brazil made the decision years ago to be oil dependent, what are the  
factors that have prevented that from occurring here?




 A grassroots economy handed
 over to non-factory farmers

 Most new sectors are created by innovators and entrepreneurs, not
 handed over' by anyone.

See the above article/video.


 and rendering energy policy back to the
 people

 One good election could do wonders, though from Carter to Clinton,
 they have miffed huge opportunities in energy policy

Depending on who sways votes or the voting machines...


 is totally untenable to our current political situation. A
 government OF the people and BY the people? Get real.

 Vote for the 15 points: IRV, no jerrymandering, public funding of pres
 and congress, flat tax, etc and the people will begin to re-own the
 gov't. Otherwise, jefferson's expectation a revolution (new
 consitution, new govt) every 20-50 years, may become even riper.

I'm hoping.


 Instead the solution has been more covert: develop genetically
 engineered strains of food which will be the only foods sustainable
 in the new climate. It's the only thing farmers will be able to use.

 Hardly a believable premise as an absolute (the only).

A deliberate exaggeration of a nightmare future.

 Which
 corporations specifically doing this? Is it disclosed in their
 quarterly 10-Q's -- in which public companies are required to disclose
 all relevant information regarding their financial positions and
 prospects.

LOL. Yeah, right.

How did the genetically engineered food labeling act got through  
congress so quietly?

Gremlins! That's it!


 Create overt aviation fuel programs which render contrails and
 atmospheric, high altitude haze over large areas of the planet to
 help shunt some solar radiation back out into space.

 Wow. This is happening? And escaped the notice of most climate  
 scientists?

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/ 
Chemtrails_In_US_Schools.htm


 This technology
 and it's usage is already being quietly taught to our children in the
 public school system.

 Um, in which course is that?

 But the real danger is in what we don't know.

 Or perhaps for some, a greater danger is in the bogus things they
 think they know.

 As many mystical
 traditions attest, there is a bioenergetic component to all sentient
 life which has escaped the measurements of the priests scientific
 materialism. It's called prana. When an early prana scientist,
 Wilhelm Reich, sent his research to the Feds, he had his books burned
 and he was thrown into prison (where he died).

 Not the version I remember.

 Never mind the motor
 which ran on free orgone energy (as he termed it) which disappeared
 at the same time.

 Free as in water, for example. Water is free, hydro power is not.

Well, I saw an old video. It required an initial start from  
electricity and then supposedly ran entirely on orgone.


 And who besides Reich saw this machine?

His son, Peter, numerous others. IIRC it's mentioned in Peter's _Book  
of Dreams_.


 Never mind his research which showed
 desertification was linked to prana depletion.


 Ok, I won't mind some reserch which is not detailed as to its
 credibility and worth.

It's fairly detailed and has been followed up by geologists.  
Interesting stuff. I was extremely skeptical as well. Interesting if  
it pans out.


 Don't even speak of
 his research on human beings, it's probably still illegal to use the
 devices he created.

 OK. Mums the word.


 Fortunately his remaining works were sealed at Harvard till 50 years
 after his death.

 And what? The Tri-Lateral commission won't let it be opened? Even
 though it will save the earth?

He sealed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As you know, most  
 scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!

um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.

Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
the apparent processes and elements involved. 
 
 No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't  
 many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in  
 utero and during development...

Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you?








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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As you know, most  
 scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!

um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.

Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
the apparent processes and elements involved. 
 
 No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't  
 many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in  
 utero and during development...

Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you know, most scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy! um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.I guess that depends who you ask. The general consensus in scientific circles for years has been to scoff at it. Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Certainly!
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 Check out:
 
 http://www.orgonomy.org/

Ok, I will. 
 
 On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:48 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
  I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of
  substance.
 
 There a huge amount of material out there and a lot online.

Huge amount yes. Of substance -- not that I have seen. Though if
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On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  As you know, most   scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!  um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.  Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved.   No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't   many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in   utero and during development...  Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Do you realize you are sending out your messages in triplicate? (or at least that's how they're arriving).
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich

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  Check out:
  
  http://www.orgonomy.org/
 
 Ok, I will. 

Mission accomplished.

Using Reich's astrophysical discoveries as a basis, it is possible to
elucidate the relationships between different celestial motions. These
relationships, though obvious once discovered, have eluded centuries
of mechanistic research. In attempting to develop Reich's conclusion
that the equatorial orgone envelope provides the concrete physical
mover of the planets, [1:81] it is shown that the directions of
rotation of the sun and each of the nine planets are in simple
functional relations to the galactic plane. This constitutes an
advance over the mechanistic view, wherein there is no relationship
whatsoever between the orientations of the planets relative to each
other and no relationship between the directions of planetary rotation
and other realms of celestial motion.

So the empirical data, predictions, research, peer-reviewed
publications, debate in journals, etc for this speculative theory is
where? I assume the rest of the site is of this same caliber - grand
speculations with no substance (as in research to back up (or
disprove) the speculations.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil

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 On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:16 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  As you know, most
  scientists do not accept the existence of a universal life energy!
 
  um a priori? Or because no credible research on such has been repeated
  presented  peer-reviewed, published, debated and refined.
 
  Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at
  least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory.  The
  latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in
  predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass
  the apparent processes and elements involved.
 
  No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't
  many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in
  utero and during development...
 
  Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you?
 
 Do you realize you are sending out your messages in triplicate? (or  
 at least that's how they're arriving).

One for the physical body, one for the astral, and one for the causal
body. Duh. :) Each written by one of the gunas.

Actually, I saw the dups happening for one post. i erased the two
duplicates. I only sent it once. Yahoo's orgone is clearly blocked
today and it is functioning poorly. Probably Yahoo needs to get laid.
Maybe MSN will put on that hot short skirt and walk by.







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