[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
--- wrote: Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. --- wrote : What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less. --- wrote : Sorry dimwit. It is not because you "ignore" me (which you, unfortunately don't, you mention me all the time) but because your ideas and never-ending harping about the same things cries out to be addressed and corrected. It is because I disagree with you so much of the time and want to counterpoint your mistaken notions and conscious obsession with attributing false motives and characteristics to virtually everyone here - including the people you endorse. Face it bawee, people have a right to address your comments or you, for that matter, any time they bloody well please and it doesn't mean they'r obsessed with you or emotionally crushed because you "ignore" them. See, I had to correct you right now because, as usual, you're making up shit. Once, all that Bob Price pointed out is that, aquamarine is 'cobalt blue' and Uncle Tantra lashed out at him, by calling him a roach. How objective is that? He is as foul mouthed as anybody else here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less. Sorry dimwit. It is not because you "ignore" me (which you, unfortunately don't, you mention me all the time) but because your ideas and never-ending harping about the same things cries out to be addressed and corrected. It is because I disagree with you so much of the time and want to counterpoint your mistaken notions and conscious obsession with attributing false motives and characteristics to virtually everyone here - including the people you endorse. Face it bawee, people have a right to address your comments or you, for that matter, any time they bloody well please and it doesn't mean they'r obsessed with you or emotionally crushed because you "ignore" them. See, I had to correct you right now because, as usual, you're making up shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Yes, I find the same thing. A more receptive environment for them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Around 1977 Maharishi said that from that morning more evolved souls are able to enter incarnation. More and more I encounter young people who are happy, content, successfull, polite and generally positive which makes me believe that not only was Maharishi right, as usual, but that the population on this earth is being gradually replaced with souls representing higher vibrations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less. > On 10/8/2014 8:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Sorry dimwit. It is not because you "ignore" me (which you, unfortunately don't, you mention me all the time) but because your ideas and never-ending harping about the same things cries out to be addressed and corrected. It is because I disagree with you so much of the time and want to counterpoint your mistaken notions and conscious obsession with attributing false motives and characteristics to virtually everyone here - including the people you endorse. Face it bawee, people have a right to address your comments or you, for that matter, any time they bloody well please and it doesn't mean they'r obsessed with you or emotionally crushed because you "ignore" them. See, I had to correct you right now because, as usual, you're making up shit. > /The question is, why does Barry feel the need to make stuff up? His writing as art should be able to speak for itself. Why would there be any need to post fantastic claims of super-normal powers and that his teacher could levitate? Barry seems to have a very big ego - in his own mind he is the most interesting guy on the planet. He simply cannot understand why a gal like you, that obviously has everything, would not be impressed with all his life accomplishments: spiritual teacher; author; science writer; talented artist; world traveler; old and wise and so experienced in life. How could a gal from Texas living in Canada know anything? Go figure. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
On 10/8/2014 6:19 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: 'Taxius, you make this shit up, and I have no idea where it comes from. > /Mostly it comes from peer pressure - it's not difficult to see how much of an impression Barry has made on Xeno. The fact that Judy labeled Xeno a "liar" indicates that that Barry and Xeno would find an attraction with each other for ego self-defense. It's not complicated.// It looks like Xeno was so impressed with Barry that he spent hours, if not days, creating folders and filters so he could skip over your messages and Judy's too. So why exactly, did Judy call Xeno a liar? Was it something Xeno said? Until we figure out if these two guys are telling the truth, it's going to be difficult having a conversation with them. Go figure. / > WTF do you mean, I have no need for compassion?! That is so...crazy. When I am not commenting (and sometimes cursing) on FFL, I enjoy a wonderful marriage, and being with my daughter, other relatives, and friends - Believe me, I am NOT some stone cold fool, off this forum. I lead a full, engaged life, with many wishes for success, and an abundance of love, both given and received. I enjoy a unique means of expression, here, broaching subjects and views, that if not accepted, are at least discussed and challenged. I DO NOT live my life, according to statements I make, about my liberation, my enlightenment, here on FFL, to the many people I have relationships with. I live a normal and natural life, the guy picking up a sixer of Mexican Coke (contains real sugar, not corn syrup), at the Safeway. I never see known 'spiritual teachers' or watch them on TV, or the net, or read books about God or spirituality or spiritual teachers, or associate with meditating, spiritual, or religious groups. Haven't been to a TM Center in almost twenty years. I have been at this spiritual life for nearly forty years, and aside from what I enjoy expressing here, the rest has long since been integrated, invisibly, into a normal life -- couldn't pick me out of a line-up. Hope that helps.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. I would have better understanding if he was a little more clarifying about his experience. Sympathy is generally worthless as it just imitates someone's suffering or discomfort, or coddles their conditioning, which is what we desire to minimise. CYNIC: a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons. I am probably more of a fatalist than a cynic. I am more of a sceptic than a cynic. I think people are motivated by those forces we call laws of nature, and that there is not a real entity in there performing the action. Rather there is an elegant machine with inputs and outputs, and getting the mind of the machine, the processes of the machine to realise it is a machine is of paramount importance for its happiness, satisfaction, and contentment; and from this arises tolerance, compassion, understanding, and with some machines, even sympathy. If one is laid back enough, tolerance is a given. Compassion is recognising a situation for what it is so one can focus on the best possible resolution of difficulties so that the experience of what is, at the very least, most real, opens into experience; this does not necessarily imply any sympathy if it prolongs inconsonate, conditioned behaviour. Understanding requires some input, and there are certain situations where understanding simply cannot be assimilated so one must act in a more cursory fashion, and with probably less satisfactory results. There are many things I do not understand; the world is wide and vast beyond the grasp of the human intellect except in bits and pieces one at a time. If I have no heart, this is the way nature made my mind; you will need the tolerance to accept that for it is not in the power of a fictional entity to change the machine. People assume TM will change all these things, but in practice this does not seem to be the case most of the time, people remain more or less the same. Enlightenment is not about change. It is about what is always the same. Enlightenment does not change these things.Behaviour modification might, but this often does not come about by an act of will but by outside imp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
On 10/8/2014 5:45 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: FYI, I think this is Barry's fourth or fifth post, on something I wrote, that he didn't read...I never did care much for fruitcake... > /These two fellows don't seem to understand that when they create folders and filters for a group discussion, that indicates they are prejudiced against reading the messages of some the other informants. Barry already admitted that he was prejudiced. You could hardly expect an intelligent conversation when they don't even view messages in a threaded format and instead read them as sequential email, and take almost everything out of context in their replies. In a fair and balanced debate, participants are supposed to read the messages BEFORE they post their comments. They don't even have to be "enlightened" - just be able to think and reply with a little intelligence. Go figure./ > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : *From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:26 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
I don't feel hurt or bitter, and I cannot tell if Barry has such emotions, for as a writer, he assumes various points of view, not necessarily what he is himself experiencing, so I am always curious how you determine these characterisations. > On 10/8/2014 2:14 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > If you're writing to Jimbo (I don't feel like scrolling down to find out), I'm pretty sure he does the same thing Willytex does, and just makes them up. > /What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting// //in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in// //the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for // //a while." / http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
On 10/8/2014 12:40 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less. > /"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."/ - Eleanor Roosevelt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less. Sorry dimwit. It is not because you "ignore" me (which you, unfortunately don't, you mention me all the time) but because your ideas and never-ending harping about the same things cries out to be addressed and corrected. It is because I disagree with you so much of the time and want to counterpoint your mistaken notions and conscious obsession with attributing false motives and characteristics to virtually everyone here - including the people you endorse. Face it bawee, people have a right to address your comments or you, for that matter, any time they bloody well please and it doesn't mean they'r obsessed with you or emotionally crushed because you "ignore" them. See, I had to correct you right now because, as usual, you're making up shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Around 1977 Maharishi said that from that morning more evolved souls are able to enter incarnation. More and more I encounter young people who are happy, content, successfull, polite and generally positive which makes me believe that not only was Maharishi right, as usual, but that the population on this earth is being gradually replaced with souls representing higher vibrations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
'Taxius, you make this shit up, and I have no idea where it comes from. WTF do you mean, I have no need for compassion?! That is so...crazy. When I am not commenting (and sometimes cursing) on FFL, I enjoy a wonderful marriage, and being with my daughter, other relatives, and friends - Believe me, I am NOT some stone cold fool, off this forum. I lead a full, engaged life, with many wishes for success, and an abundance of love, both given and received. I enjoy a unique means of expression, here, broaching subjects and views, that if not accepted, are at least discussed and challenged. I DO NOT live my life, according to statements I make, about my liberation, my enlightenment, here on FFL, to the many people I have relationships with. I live a normal and natural life, the guy picking up a sixer of Mexican Coke (contains real sugar, not corn syrup), at the Safeway. I never see known 'spiritual teachers' or watch them on TV, or the net, or read books about God or spirituality or spiritual teachers, or associate with meditating, spiritual, or religious groups. Haven't been to a TM Center in almost twenty years. I have been at this spiritual life for nearly forty years, and aside from what I enjoy expressing here, the rest has long since been integrated, invisibly, into a normal life -- couldn't pick me out of a line-up. Hope that helps.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. I would have better understanding if he was a little more clarifying about his experience. Sympathy is generally worthless as it just imitates someone's suffering or discomfort, or coddles their conditioning, which is what we desire to minimise. CYNIC: a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons. I am probably more of a fatalist than a cynic. I am more of a sceptic than a cynic. I think people are motivated by those forces we call laws of nature, and that there is not a real entity in there performing the action. Rather there is an elegant machine with inputs and outputs, and getting the mind of the machine, the processes of the machine to realise it is a machine is of paramount importance for its happiness, satisfaction, and contentment; and from this arises tolerance, compassion, understanding, and with some machines, even sympathy. If one is laid back enough, tolerance is a given. Compassion is recognising a situation for what it is so one can focus on the best possible resolution of difficulties so that the experience of what is, at the very least, most real, opens into experience; this does not necessarily imply any sympathy if it prolongs inconsonate, conditioned behaviour. Understanding requires some input, and there are certain situations where understanding simply cannot be assimilated so one must act in a more cursory fashion, and with probably less satisfactory results. There are many things I do not understand; the world is wide and vast beyond the grasp of the human intellect except in bits and pieces one at a time. If I have no heart, this is the way nature made my mind; you will need the tolerance to accept that for it is not in the power of a fictional entity to change the machine. People assume TM will change all these things, but in practice this does not seem to be the case most of the time, people remain more or less the same. Enlightenment is not about change. It is about what is always the same. Enlightenment does not change these things. Behaviour modification might, but this often does not come about by an act of will but by outside imposition, such as provided by being surrounded by the mores of an organisation or community; and often here, it is just token acceptance, not an actual change. The reason you have all these so-called moral rules in religion, is faith, belief, and even technical practice — ritual, spiritual techniques — does not much alter human nature. Prison tends not to alter human behaviour, and social conventions form a psychological prison that has much the same effectiveness — that is, practically none, for if the stops are removed, all hell breaks loose. So if a person is to be 'good', then probably that body has to be born that way and will flow naturally along those lines of behaviour; and those that are not, well, we see them everyday. Rotten thoughts come from the source of thought, whatever that may be, just as easily as '
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
FYI, I think this is Barry's fourth or fifth post, on something I wrote, that he didn't read...I never did care much for fruitcake... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
It has been my unfortunate experience, to meet individuals, rarely Thank God, who can only feel better about themselves, by putting down others. Barry is one of those people. Unfortunately, like drinking too many beers, the heady feeling wears off over time, leaving one with no further success in life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why a person feels the need to belittle others for their beliefs is what I find odd. Someone like Barry will say, believers in God deserve this because of blah, blah, blah. Well, time on earth is a testing ground. We get it wrong a lot, but hopefully we move ahead. And people who feel the need to lord over others do not advance that purpose. It really only serves to hi-light their own pettiness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-)
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From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God I don't feel hurt or bitter, and I cannot tell if Barry has such emotions, for as a writer, he assumes various points of view, not necessarily what he is himself experiencing, so I am always curious how you determine these characterisations. If you're writing to Jimbo (I don't feel like scrolling down to find out), I'm pretty sure he does the same thing Willytex does, and just makes them up. ... I am pretty sure Barry thinks you are self-deluded about your alleged enlightenment, probably on the basis you promote it over much, but also he does not seem to consider what is generally called enlightenment here on FFL significant compared to other possible experiences. I used to think he was deluded about it, but now I think he's just lying out of a pathological need to attract attention. He doesn't even seem to know what Maharishi's teachings about enlightenment actually *were*, much less what more reputable teachers' teachings about enlightenment are.
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From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. What he seems "in need of" is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Well, you're right. I'm really not the praying type. I can see that I'm going to have to be more careful in picking the terms I use. I do enjoy it when you sprinkle in some of that dry humor in your responses. More comments below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. I would have better understanding if he was a little more clarifying about his experience. Sympathy is generally worthless as it just imitates someone's suffering or discomfort, or coddles their conditioning, which is what we desire to minimise. CYNIC: a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons. I am probably more of a fatalist than a cynic. I am more of a sceptic than a cynic. I think people are motivated by those forces we call laws of nature, and that there is not a real entity in there performing the action. Rather there is an elegant machine with inputs and outputs, and getting the mind of the machine, the processes of the machine to realise it is a machine is of paramount importance for its happiness, satisfaction, and contentment; and from this arises tolerance, compassion, understanding, and with some machines, even sympathy. Ouch, I hadn't meat robot in some time, and here you are bringing it up. Oh well. If one is laid back enough, tolerance is a given. Compassion is recognising a situation for what it is so one can focus on the best possible resolution of difficulties so that the experience of what is, at the very least, most real, opens into experience; this does not necessarily imply any sympathy if it prolongs inconsonate, conditioned behaviour. Understanding requires some input, and there are certain situations where understanding simply cannot be assimilated so one must act in a more cursory fashion, and with probably less satisfactory results. There are many things I do not understand; the world is wide and vast beyond the grasp of the human intellect except in bits and pieces one at a time. If I have no heart, this is the way nature made my mind; you will need the tolerance to accept that for it is not in the power of a fictional entity to change the machine. People assume TM will change all these things, but in practice this does not seem to be the case most of the time, people remain more or less the same. Enlightenment is not about change. It is about what is always the same. Enlightenment does not change these things. Behaviour modification might, but this often does not come about by an act of will but by outside imposition, such as provided by being surrounded by the mores of an organisation or community; and often here, it is just token acceptance, not an actual change. The reason you have all these so-called moral rules in religion, is faith, belief, and even technical practice — ritual, spiritual techniques — does not much alter human nature. Prison tends not to alter human behaviour, and social conventions form a psychological prison that has much the same effectiveness — that is, practically none, for if the stops are removed, all hell breaks loose. So if a person is to be 'good', then probably that body has to be born that way and will flow naturally along those lines of behaviour; and those that are not, well, we see them everyday. Rotten thoughts come from the source of thought, whatever that may be, just as easily as 'good' thoughts. The TMO simply removes those from the roster who fail to conform to the allegedly predicted results of meditation, and hopes nobody notices the change. The higher up in the organisation though, persistence rather than removal seems to be the rule. Would another, deeper awakening result in a looser, more compassionate emotional tenancy for 'me'? It might or it might not; I have no idea; I do not know what remains of and for my life, I just know it goes forward and it has been satisfactory for some time. It is now time for me to sit very quietly for awhile. I do this from habit and it seems to correlate with what I would call improvements in my grasp of life, but from this point on, as it has been for the last decade or so, how that might or might not unfold is a complete mystery to me. I think I am gaining a better appreciation of what enlightenment, or the growth thereof can do in terms of modifying behavior, and yes, I'm not sure if it is much. But having a few mystical experiences can ha
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. I would have better understanding if he was a little more clarifying about his experience. Sympathy is generally worthless as it just imitates someone's suffering or discomfort, or coddles their conditioning, which is what we desire to minimise. CYNIC: a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honourable or unselfish reasons. I am probably more of a fatalist than a cynic. I am more of a sceptic than a cynic. I think people are motivated by those forces we call laws of nature, and that there is not a real entity in there performing the action. Rather there is an elegant machine with inputs and outputs, and getting the mind of the machine, the processes of the machine to realise it is a machine is of paramount importance for its happiness, satisfaction, and contentment; and from this arises tolerance, compassion, understanding, and with some machines, even sympathy. If one is laid back enough, tolerance is a given. Compassion is recognising a situation for what it is so one can focus on the best possible resolution of difficulties so that the experience of what is, at the very least, most real, opens into experience; this does not necessarily imply any sympathy if it prolongs inconsonate, conditioned behaviour. Understanding requires some input, and there are certain situations where understanding simply cannot be assimilated so one must act in a more cursory fashion, and with probably less satisfactory results. There are many things I do not understand; the world is wide and vast beyond the grasp of the human intellect except in bits and pieces one at a time. If I have no heart, this is the way nature made my mind; you will need the tolerance to accept that for it is not in the power of a fictional entity to change the machine. People assume TM will change all these things, but in practice this does not seem to be the case most of the time, people remain more or less the same. Enlightenment is not about change. It is about what is always the same. Enlightenment does not change these things. Behaviour modification might, but this often does not come about by an act of will but by outside imposition, such as provided by being surrounded by the mores of an organisation or community; and often here, it is just token acceptance, not an actual change. The reason you have all these so-called moral rules in religion, is faith, belief, and even technical practice — ritual, spiritual techniques — does not much alter human nature. Prison tends not to alter human behaviour, and social conventions form a psychological prison that has much the same effectiveness — that is, practically none, for if the stops are removed, all hell breaks loose. So if a person is to be 'good', then probably that body has to be born that way and will flow naturally along those lines of behaviour; and those that are not, well, we see them everyday. Rotten thoughts come from the source of thought, whatever that may be, just as easily as 'good' thoughts. The TMO simply removes those from the roster who fail to conform to the allegedly predicted results of meditation, and hopes nobody notices the change. The higher up in the organisation though, persistence rather than removal seems to be the rule. Would another, deeper awakening result in a looser, more compassionate emotional tenancy for 'me'? It might or it might not; I have no idea; I do not know what remains of and for my life, I just know it goes forward and it has been satisfactory for some time. It is now time for me to sit very quietly for awhile. I do this from habit and it seems to correlate with what I would call improvements in my grasp of life, but from this point on, as it has been for the last decade or so, how that might or might not unfold is a complete mystery to me. Allow me the space to have this happen. Prayer is not necessary, for nature takes its course in any case. All beings revolve as if mounted on a machine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I will pray for you taxius, that maybe you will be able to get out of your head a little, and into your heart a little, and then you will understand the tenants of tolerance, compassion, understanding, and sympathy. These are worthwhile emotions dude. I am not sure how you culture them, but for sure you don't culture them by a certain hard cynicism we often see here. It's
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That is funny. I wonder if we could improve upon it. "I don't often read Jim's posts, but when I do, I do so indirectly" Alright, pretty lame. Best I can do right now. Stevie, I'm lovin' you more with each post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The all-important proclamation - must come at the beginning of the paragraph.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't know what Barry does when he is alone, but he is living with others according to his own account, so how much aloneness he experiences seems a bit difficult to determine from across the pond; how much he drinks is also difficult to determine. He posted a photo of a glass of red wine, shot in a garden once, in the evening, next to his laptop. Kind of hard to avoid that if you live in France for a while. I don't feel hurt or bitter, and I cannot tell if Barry has such emotions, for as a writer, he assumes various points of view, not necessarily what he is himself experiencing, so I am always curious how you determine these characterisations. He tried TM, and followed Lenz for a while. I suspect he learned something from those experiences. For myself, I did try TM; it worked quite well for some four decades plus though it seems a little frayed now; mindfulness works better now, which it did not in the beginning, but I learned mindfulness first, a long time ago. Not-doing now is a breeze. I tend not to follow spiritual teachers; I mine them for the information I desire. Spiritual teachers are a quirky lot. As just about everyone seems to have some screws loose before they get into spiritual concerns, I always wonder how much of that remains once they have been immersed in the spiritual quest for a time, and that goes for the 'masters' too. As we are part of that group that are, or were seekers, I suspect none of us are free of some individual quirks that might annoy others. A certain kind of luck is required because until a certain point, you cannot tell if a spiritual teacher is just screwing you over or giving you truly good advice, so going down blind alleys is always a potential result. I am pretty sure Barry thinks you are self-deluded about your alleged enlightenment, probably on the basis you promote it over much, but also he does not seem to consider what is generally called enlightenment here on FFL significant compared to other possible experiences. That is not my view, but then I have never met anyone who does have my view, other people think different things. Curious isn't that? For my part, based on what you have said, I think you had some sort of experience, epiphany, or awakening, but your descriptions of the result leave me in doubt because they seem to lack certain details, and you did not seem to grasp concepts found in Vedanta at all, even though this is way of looking at enlightenment is directly involved with Shankara, and Maharishi certainly seemed aware of it, though he did not seem to talk about it extensively. The concepts are not 'the truth' of course but you should be able to manipulate and explain the principles. I suppose I find your statements lack a certain precision, because I like precision, and that does not seem to be your way of expressing yourself. You tend, from my point of view, to block things out in broad strokes. I sometimes drink beer and watch TV alone, but usually I drink tea or coffee or a soda, and usually I watch TV with someone else unless the content strains their sensibilities, as quite a few meditators seem to have difficulty with certain kinds of images, either by inclination, or by having been programmed by others to avoid such because it is not 'evolutionary'. It doesn't take a Sherlock to be able to figure out how bawee spends his time - he tells us in almost every post. He also tells us what he believes, what he is feeling and not only that, he tells us what we should believe and what we should be feeling. It is right there Xeno, in black and white. bawee is no mystery nor does he choose to make his daily rituals and habits some sort of enigma. How you think it all adds up to equate to the kind of person you seem to think he is varies from what some others sum it all up to indicate. I am not sure why you feel you need to explain or defend him. Maybe you feel bad for the guy or maybe you just like to provide an alternate viewpoint. As far as Mac goes I have no idea how to categorize someone as enlightened or not or whether how they describe it fills the bill (hey empty). It makes absolutely zero difference to me whether someone is enlightened or not. I hung around someone I believed to be enlightened for a while and it ended rather badly. Once bitten, twice shy or so someone supposedly said. So, while I don't give a rat's ass about surrounding myself with enlightened people or reading about them I simply go by what a person does and says and how they interact with me and the world. Mac, to me, is a well-rounded, intelligent and interesting guy who doesn't suffer fools very well. I can relate to much of what he says here. All that is just fine and dandy with me. If he is enlightened on top of all that, then consider it the cherry. In your last paragraph you indicate you live with or associate with other meditato
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That is funny. I wonder if we could improve upon it. "I don't often read Jim's posts, but when I do, I do so indirectly" Alright, pretty lame. Best I can do right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The all-important proclamation - must come at the beginning of the paragraph.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
I will pray for you taxius, that maybe you will be able to get out of your head a little, and into your heart a little, and then you will understand the tenants of tolerance, compassion, understanding, and sympathy. These are worthwhile emotions dude. I am not sure how you culture them, but for sure you don't culture them by a certain hard cynicism we often see here. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Why a person feels the need to belittle others for their beliefs is what I find odd. Someone like Barry will say, believers in God deserve this because of blah, blah, blah. Well, time on earth is a testing ground. We get it wrong a lot, but hopefully we move ahead. And people who feel the need to lord over others do not advance that purpose. It really only serves to hi-light their own pettiness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : === Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own? I stopped reading his posts some time ago, but unless he's changed his tune recently, by definition *everyone's* experience, other than his own, is lesser than Jimbo's. *You* are being presumptuous to assume otherwise. :-) The all-important proclamation - must come at the beginning of the paragraph. I guess he felt pretty threatened by my imperial existence, in a trailer park, in the Central Valley, for four months, every day close to 100 F - Poor fella. Seems after all his smack talk blew up in his face, now he rehashes his accusation, that I feel superior to everyone. Am I so uppity, now? I can't wallow in the hood, wit' da home boy. Can't adhere to the dogma, the austerity and limitations of a material life, the isolation and confusion of the waking state, the dimming memories when something was alive, once - what a truly fucked and wretched existence that would be. It will be a gorgeous sunset, soon - looks like a coyote was within twenty feet of the house, inside the fence. As long as he doesn't go for a swim...
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On 10/7/2014 5:42 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not-doing now is a breeze. > /That's the most difficult part of the program for me. Although it looks easy, try doing nothing for a few minutes. That's actually the first practice step in Qigong - standing or sitting and doing absolutely nothing. You'll find it much more difficult than you thought.// // //There is only your mind - in reality; just sitting and doing nothing IS enlightenment./
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I don't know what Barry does when he is alone, but he is living with others according to his own account, so how much aloneness he experiences seems a bit difficult to determine from across the pond; how much he drinks is also difficult to determine. He posted a photo of a glass of red wine, shot in a garden once, in the evening, next to his laptop. Kind of hard to avoid that if you live in France for a while. I don't feel hurt or bitter, and I cannot tell if Barry has such emotions, for as a writer, he assumes various points of view, not necessarily what he is himself experiencing, so I am always curious how you determine these characterisations. He tried TM, and followed Lenz for a while. I suspect he learned something from those experiences. For myself, I did try TM; it worked quite well for some four decades plus though it seems a little frayed now; mindfulness works better now, which it did not in the beginning, but I learned mindfulness first, a long time ago. Not-doing now is a breeze. I tend not to follow spiritual teachers; I mine them for the information I desire. Spiritual teachers are a quirky lot. As just about everyone seems to have some screws loose before they get into spiritual concerns, I always wonder how much of that remains once they have been immersed in the spiritual quest for a time, and that goes for the 'masters' too. As we are part of that group that are, or were seekers, I suspect none of us are free of some individual quirks that might annoy others. A certain kind of luck is required because until a certain point, you cannot tell if a spiritual teacher is just screwing you over or giving you truly good advice, so going down blind alleys is always a potential result. I am pretty sure Barry thinks you are self-deluded about your alleged enlightenment, probably on the basis you promote it over much, but also he does not seem to consider what is generally called enlightenment here on FFL significant compared to other possible experiences. That is not my view, but then I have never met anyone who does have my view, other people think different things. Curious isn't that? For my part, based on what you have said, I think you had some sort of experience, epiphany, or awakening, but your descriptions of the result leave me in doubt because they seem to lack certain details, and you did not seem to grasp concepts found in Vedanta at all, even though this is way of looking at enlightenment is directly involved with Shankara, and Maharishi certainly seemed aware of it, though he did not seem to talk about it extensively. The concepts are not 'the truth' of course but you should be able to manipulate and explain the principles. I suppose I find your statements lack a certain precision, because I like precision, and that does not seem to be your way of expressing yourself. You tend, from my point of view, to block things out in broad strokes. I sometimes drink beer and watch TV alone, but usually I drink tea or coffee or a soda, and usually I watch TV with someone else unless the content strains their sensibilities, as quite a few meditators seem to have difficulty with certain kinds of images, either by inclination, or by having been programmed by others to avoid such because it is not 'evolutionary'. From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God In all honesty, you have never presented a very high bar for comparison, Barry. I mean, come on, drinking beer and watching TV, alone? Punctuated by regular screeds on how screwed up the rest of us are. Hardly what I would call a raging success, on your part, after following spiritual teachers for decades. No wonder you sound hurt, and bitter. Try TM. It works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or
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In all honesty, you have never presented a very high bar for comparison, Barry. I mean, come on, drinking beer and watching TV, alone? Punctuated by regular screeds on how screwed up the rest of us are. Hardly what I would call a raging success, on your part, after following spiritual teachers for decades. No wonder you sound hurt, and bitter. Try TM. It works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) === Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own? I stopped reading his posts some time ago, but unless he's changed his tune recently, by definition *everyone's* experience, other than his own, is lesser than Jimbo's. *You* are being presumptuous to assume otherwise. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Barry knows the truth, as do I. No presumption made. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) === Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own?
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On 10/7/2014 10:00 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own? > /It works like this - on social media in order to prove your life is "richer" than your debating opponent, all you have to do is post some para-normal claims that are grander, bigger and more fantastic than anyone else in the discussion. // // //For example, you might claim that space aliens abducted you and took you up into a ship and probed you, then put you back in your bed and covered you up with a blanket. Or, you might claim that you saw an English professor "lift up slowly off of a sofa" out in the desert in the middle of the night, along with 200 other hippies.// // //It's not complicated./
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=== Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own? I stopped reading his posts some time ago, but unless he's changed his tune recently, by definition *everyone's* experience, other than his own, is lesser than Jimbo's. *You* are being presumptuous to assume otherwise. :-) The all-important proclamation - must come at the beginning of the paragraph.
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Hopefully that doesn't mean that they local fault lines don't decided to party and rock'n roll since the gravitational pull is even more during eclipses. On 10/07/2014 07:50 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you are, unfortunately, in a prime viewing area to view tomorrow's "blood moon" lunar eclipse. I trust you will have the good sense to shut yourself away in a meditation bunker, remaining safely unsullied by inauspicious photons. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good morning! Back on the "Beaut", and high on life, 1300 feet above the valley! The dawn is a very quiet one. A few hours ago when I awoke, the sky was clear, with the full moon setting, and the last of the stars. Now, the sky is a blanket of soft grey, getting very gradually lighter. After months of transition, we are getting our furniture and belongings today! One of the first things I want to do, is set up a table and chairs in the dining nook, off the kitchen, overlooking heaven, in the back yard, for morning chai. A very good day! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the *belief* in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I *believe* in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) Phew, that was a lot of God coming through in you post Mac. Thanks for that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) === Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own? Aw Xeno, play a little. When was the last time you did a little twirl in delight or skipped a step or two just because you had a moment of spontaneous happiness or joy and it made your body respond like a fawn or foal or puppy might? Are we ever too old or too tired or too unsurprised to be content with plodding? I sincerely hope not - kill me before I get to that point.
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From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) === Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own? I stopped reading his posts some time ago, but unless he's changed his tune recently, by definition *everyone's* experience, other than his own, is lesser than Jimbo's. *You* are being presumptuous to assume otherwise. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) === Don't you think this last sentence is a bit presumptuous? I mean, you are enlightened and all that, and can tell the rest of us how enlightened or unenlightened we are, but how do you determine how rich a person's experience is, other than your own?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Viewing Guide: Watch Blood Moon During Total Lunar Eclipse on Wednesday http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141006-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-october-science/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141006-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-october-science/ Viewing Guide: Watch Blood Moon During Total Lunar Ec... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141006-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-october-science/ A red-hued lunar eclipse will be visible across most of North America Wednesday morning. View on news.nationalgeogr... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141006-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-october-science/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you are, unfortunately, in a prime viewing area to view tomorrow's "blood moon" lunar eclipse. I trust you will have the good sense to shut yourself away in a meditation bunker, remaining safely unsullied by inauspicious photons. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good morning! Back on the "Beaut", and high on life, 1300 feet above the valley! The dawn is a very quiet one. A few hours ago when I awoke, the sky was clear, with the full moon setting, and the last of the stars. Now, the sky is a blanket of soft grey, getting very gradually lighter. After months of transition, we are getting our furniture and belongings today! One of the first things I want to do, is set up a table and chairs in the dining nook, off the kitchen, overlooking heaven, in the back yard, for morning chai. A very good day! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) Phew, that was a lot of God coming through in you post Mac. Thanks for that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you are, unfortunately, in a prime viewing area to view tomorrow's "blood moon" lunar eclipse. I trust you will have the good sense to shut yourself away in a meditation bunker, remaining safely unsullied by inauspicious photons. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good morning! Back on the "Beaut", and high on life, 1300 feet above the valley! The dawn is a very quiet one. A few hours ago when I awoke, the sky was clear, with the full moon setting, and the last of the stars. Now, the sky is a blanket of soft grey, getting very gradually lighter. After months of transition, we are getting our furniture and belongings today! One of the first things I want to do, is set up a table and chairs in the dining nook, off the kitchen, overlooking heaven, in the back yard, for morning chai. A very good day! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) Phew, that was a lot of God coming through in you post Mac. Thanks for that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good morning! Back on the "Beaut", and high on life, 1300 feet above the valley! The dawn is a very quiet one. A few hours ago when I awoke, the sky was clear, with the full moon setting, and the last of the stars. Now, the sky is a blanket of soft grey, getting very gradually lighter. After months of transition, we are getting our furniture and belongings today! One of the first things I want to do, is set up a table and chairs in the dining nook, off the kitchen, overlooking heaven, in the back yard, for morning chai. A very good day! Yes indeed, an excellent start to the day. I am about to get into my Bogs and jeans and sweatshirt and toddle out to 6 expectant horses and feed them. My four dogs will follow me out and they will run and play and bark all the while believing they are "getting the horses back" and doing something useful. Then I will turn the various horses out into the fields where they will pair up with their respective buddies and chomp away at the remaining grass - all dry and brown - and bask in the unseasonably warm day we seem to be having right now. Yup, I love the little things in life, the small rituals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
Good morning! Back on the "Beaut", and high on life, 1300 feet above the valley! The dawn is a very quiet one. A few hours ago when I awoke, the sky was clear, with the full moon setting, and the last of the stars. Now, the sky is a blanket of soft grey, getting very gradually lighter. After months of transition, we are getting our furniture and belongings today! One of the first things I want to do, is set up a table and chairs in the dining nook, off the kitchen, overlooking heaven, in the back yard, for morning chai. A very good day! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) Phew, that was a lot of God coming through in you post Mac. Thanks for that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet. So it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is pursued, instead of a close, immediate, ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in God, yet He and She make their presence known to me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. I did not think up God on my own, just as I would not know how to write, or speak, or drive a car, or try to treat people well. It was taught, this idea of God - many different aspects, over a lifetime. Running the spectrum, from static definitions, with no direct contact; a remote, authoritarian God, to a universe brimming with God, in all of Her and His creativity, endless expansion, and love. A creation that brings so many aspects, so many dynamics, of God to light, that it makes belief in God, irrelevant. Like believing in air and sunlight. So, Barry, I too, do not believe in God, but only one of us is richer for it.:-) Phew, that was a lot of God coming through in you post Mac. Thanks for that.
