[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The nerve of it!  A billionaire wanting to impose is agenda on America. What's 
the world come to!!  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 From pamelageller.com:
 

 Soros has repeatedly said that he sees himself as a messianic figure.  Who but 
a megalomaniac would make these comments?  “I admit that I have always harbored 
an exaggerated view of my self-importance—to put it bluntly, I fancied myself 
as some kind of god” or “I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with 
me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise I might end up in 
the loony bin.”  If only the loony bin were an option.  As it is, one of the 
wealthiest men in the world is using his billions to impose a radical agenda on 
America and the world.(More here) 
http://humanevents.com/2011/04/02/top-10-reasons-george-soros-is-dangerous/

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[Share Long]

Can't help feeling sad as I think how the people, including Juliette, in 
Raunchy's life will miss out on all the extra benefits because she doesn't 
have, psychologically speaking some of those cojones she often talks about.  
She doesn't have the cojones to actually go and see John Newton for herself.  
Something that would have been very easy for her to do THREE times this past 
year.  What's that about?  Why hasn't she attended even one presentation to see 
for herself that John is authentic and has something of great value to offer 
her and through her the people in her life?   


No she'd rather very cleverly and in a seemingly down home kind of way snark 
about someone she has chosen not to meet in person.  She'd rather cleverly and 
superficially diss John for his looks.  She'd rather despicably call his 
integrity into question by using the word claims in reference to John's remote 
viewing training.  Which BTW he talks about in his presentations.  

What's also sad is Robin's response.  Supposedly he loves Raunchy.  But what 
kind of love is it that praises someone for such snarky behavior as RD exhibits 
here?  Robin, learn to REALLY love someone rather than in a creepy cult leader 
kind of way.  It will not only do you good, but also your loved ones.

I'm sure John would instantly forgive all this, even my ineptness here.  And he 
would laugh about it all.  And he would have unconditional love for Raunchy and 
Robin.  And Ravi too.  Just as I'm sure Steve has BTW.    


Anyway, Raunchy I officially DARE you to attend John's next presentation.  With 
or without goat.  And Robin I officially dare you to have a phone session with 
John.  In the spirit of continuing to wish complete healing for you.      



 From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater 
  no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
  
   **
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
   today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
  
   Excerpts from the website
   http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
  
  
  John Newton is fucking delusional.
  
 
 In the movie The Men who Stare at Goats the military explores the potential 
 of Military Remote Viewing and other paranormal applications for spying. On 
 his website, Newton claims he trained and practiced Military Remote Viewing. 
 He's definitely dreamy looking enough to have been a pick for the movie 
 instead of George Clooney. But what I want to know is, as they attempted in 
 the movie, can John stop a goat's heart and make it drop dead by staring at 
 it? Here's a test of Newton's bona fides that will make him wildly famous in 
 Fairfield. No animals will be harmed.
 
 I have friends who have a farm with fainting goats. Honest to God, if you 
 make a sudden move toward one of these critters, it just keels over on its 
 side and faints. If John's psychic powers are as good as he says, he should 
 be able to stare at the goat I'm borrowing for his next seminar and make it 
 faint. I'll post video of the event on FFLife.

Learn to love this woman, Steve: It will do you good.

 http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101021/1000/fainting_goats_08.gif
 
  
   For those interested in watching:
  
   http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html
  
   John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms.  Both
   over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana†Christopher G., Photographer,
   Vancouver, BC
  
   His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
   wrist. A life-changing experience.
   †Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC
  
   John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
   I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.
   †Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)
  
   John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
   Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles area, 
   an
   in-person session might be preferable.
  
   Mission statement:
   To end suffering…
  
   At a young age, it was explained to me that some go to Heaven and others
   go to Hell.
  
   I couldn't grasp enjoying Heaven, knowing there were people suffering in
   hell.
  
   My mission is to help everyone who wants to go, get into the party…
  
  
 At this moment I have 86 emails to go through!  At lunch I had 80!
   What's happening?!   Anyway, have to meditate now so might not reply til
   tomorrow.  Nighty night and sweet dreams everyone.
  
   Nighty night Share, sweet dreams to you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Can't help feeling sad as I think how the people, including Juliette, in 
 Raunchy's life will miss out on all the extra benefits because she doesn't 
 have, psychologically speaking some of those cojones she often talks about.  
 She doesn't have the cojones to actually go and see John Newton for 
 herself.  Something that would have been very easy for her to do THREE times 
 this past year.  What's that about?  Why hasn't she attended even one 
 presentation to see for herself that John is authentic and has something of 
 great value to offer her and through her the people in her life?   
 
 
 No she'd rather very cleverly and in a seemingly down home kind of way snark 
 about someone she has chosen not to meet in person.  She'd rather cleverly 
 and superficially diss John for his looks.  She'd rather despicably call his 
 integrity into question by using the word claims in reference to John's 
 remote viewing training.  Which BTW he talks about in his presentations.  
 
 What's also sad is Robin's response.  Supposedly he loves Raunchy.  But 
 what kind of love is it that praises someone for such snarky behavior as RD 
 exhibits here?  Robin, learn to REALLY love someone rather than in a creepy 
 cult leader kind of way.  It will not only do you good, but also your loved 
 ones.
 
 I'm sure John would instantly forgive all this, even my ineptness here.  And 
 he would laugh about it all.  And he would have unconditional love for 
 Raunchy and Robin.  And Ravi too.  Just as I'm sure Steve has BTW.    
 
 
 Anyway, Raunchy I officially DARE you to attend John's next presentation.  
 With or without goat.  And Robin I officially dare you to have a phone 
 session with John.  In the spirit of continuing to wish complete healing for 
 you.     

Hey, what about ME? I think I was the one to start making 'fun' of John right 
from the get-go. Aren't I in trouble too? 
 
 
 
  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!
  
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater 
   no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
   
**
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
   
Excerpts from the website
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
   
   
   John Newton is fucking delusional.
   
  
  In the movie The Men who Stare at Goats the military explores the 
  potential of Military Remote Viewing and other paranormal applications for 
  spying. On his website, Newton claims he trained and practiced Military 
  Remote Viewing. He's definitely dreamy looking enough to have been a pick 
  for the movie instead of George Clooney. But what I want to know is, as 
  they attempted in the movie, can John stop a goat's heart and make it drop 
  dead by staring at it? Here's a test of Newton's bona fides that will make 
  him wildly famous in Fairfield. No animals will be harmed.
  
  I have friends who have a farm with fainting goats. Honest to God, if you 
  make a sudden move toward one of these critters, it just keels over on its 
  side and faints. If John's psychic powers are as good as he says, he should 
  be able to stare at the goat I'm borrowing for his next seminar and make it 
  faint. I'll post video of the event on FFLife.
 
 Learn to love this woman, Steve: It will do you good.
 
  http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101021/1000/fainting_goats_08.gif
  
   
For those interested in watching:
   
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html
   
John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms.  
Both
over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana†Christopher G., Photographer,
Vancouver, BC
   
His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
wrist. A life-changing experience.
†Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC
   
John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.
†Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)
   
John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles 
area, an
in-person session might be preferable.
   
Mission statement:
To end suffering…
   
At a young age, it was explained to me that some go to Heaven and others
go to Hell.
   
I couldn't grasp enjoying Heaven, knowing there were people

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 Hey, what about ME? I think I was the one to start making 'fun'
 of John right from the get-go. Aren't I in trouble too? 

With your snarky cynical immaturity, you are surely beneath being dignified 
with even a mere mention. After all, it's not like any of your life experience 
has earned you the right to be cynical and snarky about self-proclaimed 
mystical woo-meisters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Can't help feeling sad as I think how the people, including Juliette, in 
 Raunchy's life will miss out on all the extra benefits because she doesn't 
 have, psychologically speaking some of those cojones she often talks about.  
 She doesn't have the cojones to actually go and see John Newton for 
 herself.  Something that would have been very easy for her to do THREE times 
 this past year.  What's that about?  Why hasn't she attended even one 
 presentation to see for herself that John is authentic and has something of 
 great value to offer her and through her the people in her life?   
 

Share, if you had any cojones at all you would have shown Emily some respect 
and have answered her questions by now. Don't talk to me about snark when you 
so blithely pin the cult member label on anyone who happens to like Robin. 
Fainting goat snark is humorous, your snark is deadly serious and hurtful. 
Furthermore, leave my family out of this.

 No she'd rather very cleverly and in a seemingly down home kind of way snark 
 about someone she has chosen not to meet in person.  She'd rather cleverly 
 and superficially diss John for his looks.  She'd rather despicably call his 
 integrity into question by using the word claims in reference to John's 
 remote viewing training.  Which BTW he talks about in his presentations.  
 
 What's also sad is Robin's response.  Supposedly he loves Raunchy.  But 
 what kind of love is it that praises someone for such snarky behavior as RD 
 exhibits here?  Robin, learn to REALLY love someone rather than in a creepy 
 cult leader kind of way.  It will not only do you good, but also your loved 
 ones.
 
 I'm sure John would instantly forgive all this, even my ineptness here.  And 
 he would laugh about it all.  And he would have unconditional love for 
 Raunchy and Robin.  And Ravi too.  Just as I'm sure Steve has BTW.    
 
 
 Anyway, Raunchy I officially DARE you to attend John's next presentation.  
 With or without goat.  And Robin I officially dare you to have a phone 
 session with John.  In the spirit of continuing to wish complete healing for 
 you.      
 

I dare you to answer Emily's questions.

 
  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!
  
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater 
   no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
   
**
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
   
Excerpts from the website
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
   
   
   John Newton is fucking delusional.
   
  
  In the movie The Men who Stare at Goats the military explores the 
  potential of Military Remote Viewing and other paranormal applications for 
  spying. On his website, Newton claims he trained and practiced Military 
  Remote Viewing. He's definitely dreamy looking enough to have been a pick 
  for the movie instead of George Clooney. But what I want to know is, as 
  they attempted in the movie, can John stop a goat's heart and make it drop 
  dead by staring at it? Here's a test of Newton's bona fides that will make 
  him wildly famous in Fairfield. No animals will be harmed.
  
  I have friends who have a farm with fainting goats. Honest to God, if you 
  make a sudden move toward one of these critters, it just keels over on its 
  side and faints. If John's psychic powers are as good as he says, he should 
  be able to stare at the goat I'm borrowing for his next seminar and make it 
  faint. I'll post video of the event on FFLife.
 
 Learn to love this woman, Steve: It will do you good.
 
  http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101021/1000/fainting_goats_08.gif
  
   
For those interested in watching:
   
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html
   
John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms.  
Both
over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana†Christopher G., Photographer,
Vancouver, BC
   
His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
wrist. A life-changing experience.
†Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC
   
John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.
†Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)
   
John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:
snip
 Hey, what about ME? I think I was the one to start making
 'fun' of John right from the get-go. Aren't I in trouble too?

And Ravi called Newton fucking delusional, but he didn't get
a gauntlet (or even a guantlet) thrown at him either.

I think the current candidates for sucking-up-to get a free pass.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[Emily Reyn]

Aw, that's so real.  Raunchy, Share is in too much fear me.  I am a 
formidable woman, after all.  She will never address any of my questions - she 
has written me off because it's less scary that way.  I don't think she likes 
me very much.  Or, maybe, her latest John Newton healing session will have done 
her some good and soon we will experience the benefits here on FFL, subtle as 
they may be.  Although, given this comment about your granddaughter - judgment 
still reigns supreme in her being.  


 From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!  Throwing down some guantlets
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Can't help feeling sad as I think how the people, including Juliette, in 
 Raunchy's life will miss out on all the extra benefits because she doesn't 
 have, psychologically speaking some of those cojones she often talks about.  
 She doesn't have the cojones to actually go and see John Newton for 
 herself.  Something that would have been very easy for her to do THREE times 
 this past year.  What's that about?  Why hasn't she attended even one 
 presentation to see for herself that John is authentic and has something of 
 great value to offer her and through her the people in her life?   
 

Share, if you had any cojones at all you would have shown Emily some respect 
and have answered her questions by now. Don't talk to me about snark when you 
so blithely pin the cult member label on anyone who happens to like Robin. 
Fainting goat snark is humorous, your snark is deadly serious and hurtful. 
Furthermore, leave my family out of this.

 No she'd rather very cleverly and in a seemingly down home kind of way snark 
 about someone she has chosen not to meet in person.  She'd rather cleverly 
 and superficially diss John for his looks.  She'd rather despicably call his 
 integrity into question by using the word claims in reference to John's 
 remote viewing training.  Which BTW he talks about in his presentations.  
 
 What's also sad is Robin's response.  Supposedly he loves Raunchy.  But 
 what kind of love is it that praises someone for such snarky behavior as RD 
 exhibits here?  Robin, learn to REALLY love someone rather than in a creepy 
 cult leader kind of way.  It will not only do you good, but also your loved 
 ones.
 
 I'm sure John would instantly forgive all this, even my ineptness here.  And 
 he would laugh about it all.  And he would have unconditional love for 
 Raunchy and Robin.  And Ravi too.  Just as I'm sure Steve has BTW.    
 
 
 Anyway, Raunchy I officially DARE you to attend John's next presentation.  
 With or without goat.  And Robin I officially dare you to have a phone 
 session with John.  In the spirit of continuing to wish complete healing for 
 you.      
 

I dare you to answer Emily's questions.

 
  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater 
   no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
   
**
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
   
Excerpts from the website
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
   
   
   John Newton is fucking delusional.
   
  
  In the movie The Men who Stare at Goats the military explores the 
  potential of Military Remote Viewing and other paranormal applications for 
  spying. On his website, Newton claims he trained and practiced Military 
  Remote Viewing. He's definitely dreamy looking enough to have been a pick 
  for the movie instead of George Clooney. But what I want to know is, as 
  they attempted in the movie, can John stop a goat's heart and make it drop 
  dead by staring at it? Here's a test of Newton's bona fides that will make 
  him wildly famous in Fairfield. No animals will be harmed.
  
  I have friends who have a farm with fainting goats. Honest to God, if you 
  make a sudden move toward one of these critters, it just keels over on its 
  side and faints. If John's psychic powers are as good as he says, he should 
  be able to stare at the goat I'm borrowing for his next seminar and make it 
  faint. I'll post video of the event on FFLife.
 
 Learn to love this woman, Steve: It will do you good.
 
  http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101021/1000/fainting_goats_08.gif
  
   
For those interested in watching:
   
http

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:17 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:
 snip

  Hey, what about ME? I think I was the one to start making
  'fun' of John right from the get-go. Aren't I in trouble too?

 And Ravi called Newton fucking delusional, but he didn't get
 a gauntlet (or even a guantlet) thrown at him either.


I think Share secretly knows that after a couple of hours of my humiliation
therapy sessions John Newton will resolve to be authentic and earn an
honest, decent living by relocating to Los Angeles for a career in the Film
Industry and people like her will have no one that will soothe them.



 I think the current candidates for sucking-up-to get a free pass.

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes! Throwing down some guantlets

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:17 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:
 snip

  Hey, what about ME? I think I was the one to start making
  'fun' of John right from the get-go. Aren't I in trouble too?

 And Ravi called Newton fucking delusional, but he didn't get
 a gauntlet (or even a guantlet) thrown at him either.


 I think Share secretly knows that after a couple of hours of my
 humiliation therapy sessions John Newton will resolve to be authentic and
 earn an honest, decent living by relocating to Los Angeles for a career in
 the Film Industry and people like her will have no one that will soothe
 them.


And when John Newton inevitably becomes the next star I will become popular
in Hollywood and my fantasies of having a hot actress girlfriend will be
completed and I can then retire peacefully in Malibu.





 I think the current candidates for sucking-up-to get a free pass.

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@...
wrote:

 Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
Excerpts from the website
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
For those interested in watching:
http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html
John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms. 
Both over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana— Christopher G.,
Photographer, Vancouver, BC
His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
wrist. A life-changing experience.
— Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC
John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.—
Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)
John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles area,
an in-person session might be preferable.
Mission statement:To end suffering…
At a young age, it was explained to me that some go to Heaven and others
go to Hell.

I couldn't grasp enjoying Heaven, knowing there were people suffering in
hell.

My mission is to help everyone who wants to go, get into the party…


   At this moment I have 86 emails to go through!  At lunch I had 80! 
What's happening?!   Anyway, have to meditate now so might not reply til
tomorrow.  Nighty night and sweet dreams everyone.
Nighty night Share, sweet dreams to you too, don't let the bed bugs
bite!! xxoxoxoAnn

 Share

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:

 **



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
  Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
 today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.

 Excerpts from the website
 http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html


John Newton is fucking delusional.



 For those interested in watching:

 http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html

 John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms.  Both
 over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana— Christopher G., Photographer,
 Vancouver, BC

 His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
 wrist. A life-changing experience.
 — Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC

 John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
 I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.
 — Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)

 John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
 Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles area, an
 in-person session might be preferable.

 Mission statement:
 To end suffering…

 At a young age, it was explained to me that some go to Heaven and others
 go to Hell.

 I couldn't grasp enjoying Heaven, knowing there were people suffering in
 hell.

 My mission is to help everyone who wants to go, get into the party…


   At this moment I have 86 emails to go through!  At lunch I had 80!
 What's happening?!   Anyway, have to meditate now so might not reply til
 tomorrow.  Nighty night and sweet dreams everyone.

 Nighty night Share, sweet dreams to you too, don't let the bed bugs bite!!
 xxoxoxo
 Ann
 
  Share
 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
 
  **
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
  today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
 
  Excerpts from the website
  http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
 
 
 John Newton is fucking delusional.
 

In the movie The Men who Stare at Goats the military explores the potential 
of Military Remote Viewing and other paranormal applications for spying. On his 
website, Newton claims he trained and practiced Military Remote Viewing. He's 
definitely dreamy looking enough to have been a pick for the movie instead of 
George Clooney. But what I want to know is, as they attempted in the movie, can 
John stop a goat's heart and make it drop dead by staring at it? Here's a test 
of Newton's bona fides that will make him wildly famous in Fairfield. No 
animals will be harmed.

I have friends who have a farm with fainting goats. Honest to God, if you make 
a sudden move toward one of these critters, it just keels over on its side and 
faints. If John's psychic powers are as good as he says, he should be able to 
stare at the goat I'm borrowing for his next seminar and make it faint. I'll 
post video of the event on FFLife.

http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101021/1000/fainting_goats_08.gif

 
  For those interested in watching:
 
  http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html
 
  John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms.  Both
  over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana†Christopher G., Photographer,
  Vancouver, BC
 
  His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
  wrist. A life-changing experience.
  †Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC
 
  John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
  I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.
  †Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)
 
  John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
  Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles area, an
  in-person session might be preferable.
 
  Mission statement:
  To end suffering…
 
  At a young age, it was explained to me that some go to Heaven and others
  go to Hell.
 
  I couldn't grasp enjoying Heaven, knowing there were people suffering in
  hell.
 
  My mission is to help everyone who wants to go, get into the party…
 
 
At this moment I have 86 emails to go through!  At lunch I had 80!
  What's happening?!   Anyway, have to meditate now so might not reply til
  tomorrow.  Nighty night and sweet dreams everyone.
 
  Nighty night Share, sweet dreams to you too, don't let the bed bugs bite!!
  xxoxoxo
  Ann
  
   Share
  
 
   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, awoelflebater 
  no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
  
   **
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Apologies to Emily and anyone else who wrote a post to me yesterday or
   today.  I participated in a John Newton workshop all day today.
  
   Excerpts from the website
   http://healthbeyondbelief.com/about-the-work.html
  
  
  John Newton is fucking delusional.
  
 
 In the movie The Men who Stare at Goats the military explores the potential 
 of Military Remote Viewing and other paranormal applications for spying. On 
 his website, Newton claims he trained and practiced Military Remote Viewing. 
 He's definitely dreamy looking enough to have been a pick for the movie 
 instead of George Clooney. But what I want to know is, as they attempted in 
 the movie, can John stop a goat's heart and make it drop dead by staring at 
 it? Here's a test of Newton's bona fides that will make him wildly famous in 
 Fairfield. No animals will be harmed.
 
 I have friends who have a farm with fainting goats. Honest to God, if you 
 make a sudden move toward one of these critters, it just keels over on its 
 side and faints. If John's psychic powers are as good as he says, he should 
 be able to stare at the goat I'm borrowing for his next seminar and make it 
 faint. I'll post video of the event on FFLife.

Learn to love this woman, Steve: It will do you good.
 
 http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101021/1000/fainting_goats_08.gif
 
  
   For those interested in watching:
  
   http://healthbeyondbelief.com/videos.html
  
   John eliminated ringing in the ears and tennis elbow in both arms.  Both
   over the phone! -Kevin R., Montana†Christopher G., Photographer,
   Vancouver, BC
  
   His work cleared crushing pain, swelling, and near zero mobility in my
   wrist. A life-changing experience.
   †Christopher G., Photographer, Vancouver, BC
  
   John helped me clear the chronic pain and related anxiety in my throat.
   I recommend his work for anyone with emotional or physical pain.
   †Kourtney Kardashian (quote from her website)
  
   John offers his services both in-person and long distance via telephone.
   Although both are equally effective, if you are in the Los Angeles area, 
   an
   in-person session might be preferable.
  
   Mission statement:
   To end suffering…
  
   At a young age, it was explained to me that some go to Heaven and others
   go to Hell.
  
   I couldn't grasp enjoying Heaven, knowing there were people suffering in
   hell.
  
   My mission is to help everyone who wants to go, get into the party…
  
  
 At this moment I have 86 emails to go through!  At lunch I had 80!
   What's happening?!   Anyway, have to meditate now so might not reply til
   tomorrow.  Nighty night and sweet dreams everyone.
  
   Nighty night Share, sweet dreams to you too, don't let the bed bugs bite!!
   xxoxoxo
   Ann
   
Share
   
  

  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[nablusos108]

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
 
  ---If Jesus is the Messiah, He'll have to give a demonstration 
(not 
  faith based Bible beliefs), as to exactly why and how He's the 
  Savior, and what He has to offer that other Entities can't offer. 
  Remission of sins? I haven't seen this. 

Both The Christ and the Master who was Jesus will certainly show 
their credidentials


A Message from Maitreya 

I am closer to you than you may think. No distance separates us. And 
I can tell you truly that it is not long before you see My face. Be 
ardurous in the task of telling the world of My presence and bring 
joy to humankind. Goodnight, My friends.


On 29 December 2006 Benjamin Creme was interviewed by a well-known 
American television chat show host for a film about world religions. 
At the end of the interview Maitreya gave a blessing, accompanied by 
this message.

Message of hope

As we enter 2007, with the 25th anniversary of Share International 
magazine, we also look ahead to July which marks the 30th anniversary 
of Maitreya the World Teacher's arrival in London on 19 July 1977.
In a recent article Benjamin Creme's Master states:

Short, indeed, therefore, is the time left to prepare His way, to 
tell men that help and hope are at hand, that the Teacher is here, 
eager to speak directly to the peoples of all the nations.
Speed, then, your efforts. Make haste to inform all who will listen 
that the destined hour has arrived, that soon mankind will rejoice in 
the presence of the Teacher. Tell them this and uphold their hope and 
courage. Many will listen now who before did not; anxiety and fear 
have taken their toll of men. The signs, too, have done their work 
and awakened millions to expected happenings and revelations. Never 
before in man's history have so many sensed the coming changes nor 
understood their necessity.
Hence, into an expectant and prepared world will Maitreya emerge, 
sure in the knowledge that His presence is longed for and eagerly 
anticipated.

(From: `Maitreya's priorities', SI October 2006)
Benjamin Creme advises: It is up to all who believe in or hope for 
Maitreya's presence to grasp the urgency of the task of preparation. 
So little time remains for this responsible and needed work. Spare no 
effort in this never-to-be-repeated opportunity to serve both 
Hierarchy and humanity, and bring Maitreya and His Group forward at 
the earliest lawful date.

Master's article
Maitreya steps forward 
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme

The emergence of Maitreya is all but accomplished. His open, public 
work will commence really very soon. From then will begin the process 
of teaching and becoming known, gradually, to the peoples of the 
world. The time that this will take remains unclear, but it should 
proceed relatively quickly. At first, of course, there may be much 
opposition to His views and the nature of His advice. This is only to 
be expected, so far from the prevailing thinking is His thought. 
Gradually, however, Maitreya's incisive mind will cut through and 
expose the flaws in present beliefs about the environment and on 
matters social, economic and political. The logic and wise 
understanding of His words will convince many to listen and 
contemplate further, while His Ray will penetrate the hearts of 
millions and turn His simple words into revelations of Truth. No one, 
as yet, knows the loving power of Maitreya, nor can men fathom His 
inscrutable wisdom.

Rally

As millions rally to His cause, demanding peace and justice through 
sharing and understanding, men will be swept up and galvanized by new 
hope and a longing for brotherhood and right relationship. They will 
demand change on a scale hitherto unknown. The governments and men of 
power will be forced to respond to the demands, and bit by bit, the 
edifice against change will crumble before the onslaught of a now 
empowered voice of public opinion. Thus, by logic, revelation and the 
trust engendered by His love, will Maitreya harness the goodwill 
which exists, even if unknown, in every heart.

Millions

Maitreya will speak to millions of men through television and radio. 
All will have the opportunity to share in His blessing which will 
accompany every appearance. Thus the people worldwide will become 
familiar with His message and the uplifting of their hearts. Much 
speculation will surround His identity and many will be the theories 
presented, but all in their different ways will see Him as the 
harbinger of the new, a conveyor of wholesome truths and as a way-
shower of a lifestyle close to their hearts.
Of course, there will be those who feel threatened by His ideas, and 
who will attempt to stop His progress but, more and more, the beauty 
and good sense of His words will inspire the people of all the 
nations to see Him as their spokesman and leader. Thus will it be. 
The people will call for Him to speak on their behalf to the world at 
large, and the Day of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
 
  ---If Jesus is the Messiah, He'll have to give a 
  demonstration (not faith based Bible beliefs), as 
  to exactly why and how He's the Savior, and what 
  He has to offer that other Entities can't offer. 
  Remission of sins? I haven't seen this. 
 
 
 Word!


Perhaps the Christians should sponsor a series
of scientific studies to quantify sin and find
its physiological counterparts. (That is, find
something that they don't understand, and *call*
it the physiological counterparts of sin.)
Then they could (with no bias except the absolute
conviction that they're *going* to find these phys-
iological counterparts of sin to lesser degree
in Christians than in non-Christians), act sur-
prised when they find these things, and announce
to the world that they have conclusively, scien-
tifically proven that belief in Jesus causes
remission of sin.

I'm sure that would convince pretty much exactly
the same percentage of Christians of the validity
of their beliefs as the studies on TM (dare I say 
it...the similarly designed and conceived studies
on TM) have convinced already-convinced TMers 
of *its* worth.

Then the whole thing would be settled...

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
  
   ---If Jesus is the Messiah, He'll have to give a 
   demonstration (not faith based Bible beliefs), as 
   to exactly why and how He's the Savior, and what 
   He has to offer that other Entities can't offer. 
   Remission of sins? I haven't seen this. 
  
  
  Word!
 
 
 Perhaps the Christians should sponsor a series
 of scientific studies to quantify sin and find
 its physiological counterparts. (That is, find
 something that they don't understand, and *call*
 it the physiological counterparts of sin.)
 Then they could (with no bias except the absolute
 conviction that they're *going* to find these phys-
 iological counterparts of sin to lesser degree
 in Christians than in non-Christians), act sur-
 prised when they find these things, and announce
 to the world that they have conclusively, scien-
 tifically proven that belief in Jesus causes
 remission of sin.
 
 I'm sure that would convince pretty much exactly
 the same percentage of Christians of the validity
 of their beliefs as the studies on TM (dare I say 
 it...the similarly designed and conceived studies
 on TM) have convinced already-convinced TMers 
 of *its* worth.
 
 Then the whole thing would be settled...
 
 :-)


Oh,  you mean like the claim that EEG coherence is associated with all sorts of 
positive 
things like higher creativity, IQ, etc?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[curtisdeltablues]

On 29 December 2006 Benjamin Creme was interviewed by a well-known
American television chat show host for a film about world religions.


Wow, and to think I had been making snarky comments about this guy.  I
think this settles the question about his credibility.  BTW was he on
before or after the two part series on Anna Nicole or was he before
the short clip of Britney shaving off her hair before entering rehab?

 Maitreya will speak to millions of men through television and radio.

Was this written in the 1950's?  Tell him just to post on FFL.  That
will influencec the thinking of the most important people on earth.

Spare no effort in this never-to-be-repeated opportunity to serve
both  Hierarchy and humanity, and bring Maitreya and His Group
forward at  the earliest lawful date.

Earliest lawful date...let's see in Virginia I think that would be age
18 unless the dude is nor more than 2  years older.  Then it is 16.

Never-to-be-repeated I think the current infomercial phrase these
days is ACT NOW, ONCE IN A LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY, NOT SOLD IN STORES.
  The world teacher needs to update his ad message.  I recommend
hip-hop music because young people really go for that.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
  
   ---If Jesus is the Messiah, He'll have to give a demonstration 
 (not 
   faith based Bible beliefs), as to exactly why and how He's the 
   Savior, and what He has to offer that other Entities can't offer. 
   Remission of sins? I haven't seen this. 
 
 Both The Christ and the Master who was Jesus will certainly show 
 their credidentials
 
 
 A Message from Maitreya 
 
 I am closer to you than you may think. No distance separates us. And 
 I can tell you truly that it is not long before you see My face. Be 
 ardurous in the task of telling the world of My presence and bring 
 joy to humankind. Goodnight, My friends.
 
 
 On 29 December 2006 Benjamin Creme was interviewed by a well-known 
 American television chat show host for a film about world religions. 
 At the end of the interview Maitreya gave a blessing, accompanied by 
 this message.
 
 Message of hope
 
 As we enter 2007, with the 25th anniversary of Share International 
 magazine, we also look ahead to July which marks the 30th anniversary 
 of Maitreya the World Teacher's arrival in London on 19 July 1977.
 In a recent article Benjamin Creme's Master states:
 
 Short, indeed, therefore, is the time left to prepare His way, to 
 tell men that help and hope are at hand, that the Teacher is here, 
 eager to speak directly to the peoples of all the nations.
 Speed, then, your efforts. Make haste to inform all who will listen 
 that the destined hour has arrived, that soon mankind will rejoice in 
 the presence of the Teacher. Tell them this and uphold their hope and 
 courage. Many will listen now who before did not; anxiety and fear 
 have taken their toll of men. The signs, too, have done their work 
 and awakened millions to expected happenings and revelations. Never 
 before in man's history have so many sensed the coming changes nor 
 understood their necessity.
 Hence, into an expectant and prepared world will Maitreya emerge, 
 sure in the knowledge that His presence is longed for and eagerly 
 anticipated.
 
 (From: `Maitreya's priorities', SI October 2006)
 Benjamin Creme advises: It is up to all who believe in or hope for 
 Maitreya's presence to grasp the urgency of the task of preparation. 
 So little time remains for this responsible and needed work. Spare no 
 effort in this never-to-be-repeated opportunity to serve both 
 Hierarchy and humanity, and bring Maitreya and His Group forward at 
 the earliest lawful date.
 
 Master's article
 Maitreya steps forward 
 by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme
 
 The emergence of Maitreya is all but accomplished. His open, public 
 work will commence really very soon. From then will begin the process 
 of teaching and becoming known, gradually, to the peoples of the 
 world. The time that this will take remains unclear, but it should 
 proceed relatively quickly. At first, of course, there may be much 
 opposition to His views and the nature of His advice. This is only to 
 be expected, so far from the prevailing thinking is His thought. 
 Gradually, however, Maitreya's incisive mind will cut through and 
 expose the flaws in present beliefs about the environment and on 
 matters social, economic and political. The logic and wise 
 understanding of His words will convince many to listen and 
 contemplate further, while His Ray will penetrate the hearts of 
 millions and turn His simple words into revelations of Truth. No one, 
 as yet, knows the loving power of Maitreya, nor can men fathom His 
 inscrutable wisdom.
 
 Rally
 
 As millions rally to His cause, demanding peace and justice through 
 sharing and understanding, men will be swept up and galvanized by new 
 hope 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sista soul Ja lays it down.  Who else has read both of the relevant
 scriptures?  Well me for one, but you get my point!  
 
 Most of the New Testiment is based on making the case of Jesus'
 divinity through miricles and fullfullment of prophesy.  Nice one 
 Judy.

Thanks.  I ain't no Bible scholar, but the fundamental
dishonesty of Christianity regarding Judaism, in the
Gospels and Paul's epistles, just infuriates me.  The
toll it's taken on Jews for the past 2,000 years is
beyond appalling.

And so many Christian proselytizers are either ignorant
about Judaism or deliberately take advantage of some
Jews' ignorance of their own religion to make their
case.  (Not referring to MDixon here; he's more
knowledgeable than I am and doesn't seem like the
proselytizing type.)

The ultimate outrage along these lines is the phrase
evangelical/fundamentalist Christians use to refer
to Jews who have converted to Christianity: completed
Jews.  I hope I never hear such a Christian use the
phrase live, because I'd either burst a blood
vessel or burst one of his, or both.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 2/20/07 1:01:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
   And just  as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
   brothers to prove 
who  he was, Christ will reveal to the Jews the scars in his 
   hands, feet and  
side to prove who he was when he returns.
   
   I don't think that's  likely to do the trick, actually.
   For Jews there are more important issues  involved.
   
   No , that will not be what makes them accept him as Messiah,
   but will show them that  he was Jesus.
  
  Anybody can have scars on their hands and feet
  and side.
  
  The problem with Jesus as Messiah is that he
  clearly wasn't the Messiah prophesied to the Jews
  in the Hebrew Scriptures.  Among other things,
  The prophesied Messiah will be a human being, not
  God. And it's blasphemy in Judaism to say a human
  being is divine.  The High Priest wasn't ripping
  his garments just for dramatic effect.
  
  I know the response to this is that the Jews have
  misunderstood their own scriptures, but that's
  just insulting.  It's no wonder knowledgeable Jews
  aren't interested.
  
  I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a Really Big Deal, just
  that Christians ought to leave the Jews the frack
  alone about him and worry about their own salvation.
  If God wants His Chosen People to turn to Jesus,
  He'll find a way to do it, but I seriously doubt it's
  going to look like a parallel between Bible stories.
  And He's got a whole lot of 'splainin' to do.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[curtisdeltablues]

completed Jews.

I don't know how they get the foreskin back on but that's gotta hurt!

I never took the time to really connect the vague prophesies in the
Old Testament with the New claims to notice how they fail even by
their own criteria.  I usually get hung up on the miracles.  The weird
thing is that even if you definitively pointed all this out,the
Christian just drops back and punts.  Well it is just a matter of faith.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Sista soul Ja lays it down.  Who else has read both of the relevant
  scriptures?  Well me for one, but you get my point!  
  
  Most of the New Testiment is based on making the case of Jesus'
  divinity through miricles and fullfullment of prophesy.  Nice one 
  Judy.
 
 Thanks.  I ain't no Bible scholar, but the fundamental
 dishonesty of Christianity regarding Judaism, in the
 Gospels and Paul's epistles, just infuriates me.  The
 toll it's taken on Jews for the past 2,000 years is
 beyond appalling.
 
 And so many Christian proselytizers are either ignorant
 about Judaism or deliberately take advantage of some
 Jews' ignorance of their own religion to make their
 case.  (Not referring to MDixon here; he's more
 knowledgeable than I am and doesn't seem like the
 proselytizing type.)
 
 The ultimate outrage along these lines is the phrase
 evangelical/fundamentalist Christians use to refer
 to Jews who have converted to Christianity: completed
 Jews.  I hope I never hear such a Christian use the
 phrase live, because I'd either burst a blood
 vessel or burst one of his, or both.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
 
In a message dated 2/20/07 1:01:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jstein@ writes:

And just  as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
brothers to prove 
 who  he was, Christ will reveal to the Jews the scars in his 
hands, feet and  
 side to prove who he was when he returns.

I don't think that's  likely to do the trick, actually.
For Jews there are more important issues  involved.

No , that will not be what makes them accept him as Messiah,
but will show them that  he was Jesus.
   
   Anybody can have scars on their hands and feet
   and side.
   
   The problem with Jesus as Messiah is that he
   clearly wasn't the Messiah prophesied to the Jews
   in the Hebrew Scriptures.  Among other things,
   The prophesied Messiah will be a human being, not
   God. And it's blasphemy in Judaism to say a human
   being is divine.  The High Priest wasn't ripping
   his garments just for dramatic effect.
   
   I know the response to this is that the Jews have
   misunderstood their own scriptures, but that's
   just insulting.  It's no wonder knowledgeable Jews
   aren't interested.
   
   I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a Really Big Deal, just
   that Christians ought to leave the Jews the frack
   alone about him and worry about their own salvation.
   If God wants His Chosen People to turn to Jesus,
   He'll find a way to do it, but I seriously doubt it's
   going to look like a parallel between Bible stories.
   And He's got a whole lot of 'splainin' to do.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[Vaj]

On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:42 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


completed Jews.

I don't know how they get the foreskin back on but that's gotta hurt!


http://www.amazon.com/Joy-Uncircumcising-Circumcision-Psychology- 
Restoration/dp/093406122X


http://snipurl.com/1avpl

Makes a wonderful Bar Mitzvah gift!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 completed Jews.
 
 I don't know how they get the foreskin back on but that's
 gotta hurt!

Oy...

 I never took the time to really connect the vague prophesies in the
 Old Testament with the New claims to notice how they fail even by
 their own criteria.  I usually get hung up on the miracles.

The miracle stories, though, are just feel-good
stuff.  They never did non-Christians any harm.

  The weird
 thing is that even if you definitively pointed all this out,
 the Christian just drops back and punts.  Well it is just a
 matter of faith.

There's a lot to be said for faith in and of itself,
IMHO.  Faith that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross (even if
it never happened) has reconciled those who accept
Jesus as Savior to God relieves a person of a huge
burden of guilt and fear over their past transgressions.
If God forgives you, who the hell are you not to forgive
yourself?

Without that guilt and fear, it's a lot easier to make
a fresh start.

That ingenious formulation was Paul's doing, so as much
as his rejection of Judaism and his homophobia and
misogyny pisses me off, I gotta give him credit for
coming up with something that works.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[curtisdeltablues]

Maybe the evangelicals get the bennies you mention but in my  Irish
and French Catholic background it doesn't work out that way.  Because
Christianity instills fear and guilt you don't get off the hook by
your faith or even God's forgiveness for long.  Once you throw
self-gratification into the mix to feel guilty about you are pretty
much screwed the day after confession.  It seems to me that using
God's forgiveness to remove guilt distracts people from repairing the
social contract by getting forgiveness from the person harmed.  So
many of the Church's transgressions are about pissing God off anyway.
 I think the chimps have it right.  When you do something that hurts
another member of your tribe you go to them and hold out your hand
making an oo sound.  The other chimp could bit your hand, so for a
moment you are vulnerable.  The other chimp kisses your hand and then
you start grooming.  If you are in the Bonobo species you might dry
hump for a few minutes.  Better than saying a few Our Fathers' after
confession!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  completed Jews.
  
  I don't know how they get the foreskin back on but that's
  gotta hurt!
 
 Oy...
 
  I never took the time to really connect the vague prophesies in the
  Old Testament with the New claims to notice how they fail even by
  their own criteria.  I usually get hung up on the miracles.
 
 The miracle stories, though, are just feel-good
 stuff.  They never did non-Christians any harm.
 
   The weird
  thing is that even if you definitively pointed all this out,
  the Christian just drops back and punts.  Well it is just a
  matter of faith.
 
 There's a lot to be said for faith in and of itself,
 IMHO.  Faith that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross (even if
 it never happened) has reconciled those who accept
 Jesus as Savior to God relieves a person of a huge
 burden of guilt and fear over their past transgressions.
 If God forgives you, who the hell are you not to forgive
 yourself?
 
 Without that guilt and fear, it's a lot easier to make
 a fresh start.
 
 That ingenious formulation was Paul's doing, so as much
 as his rejection of Judaism and his homophobia and
 misogyny pisses me off, I gotta give him credit for
 coming up with something that works.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/scientificproof/scientificpro
of2.html
 
 
 I know it sounds daft, but Christians actually blame the Jews for
 killing their god! The Germans, like the Irish, are not pretending
 they really believe in priestcraft. Therefore, it was easy for Hitler
 to whip up hatred against the Jews.
 

*

Hitler loved Henry Ford so much that his propagandists borrowed the 
German title of Ford's book, The Eternal Jew ( 
http://www.stockmaven.com/patterson2.htm , http://www.nazi-lauck-
nsdapao.com/the-eternal-jew.htm ), for a Nazi film. 

http://www.theonion.com/content/history/feb_19_1915

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/scientificproof/scientificpro
of2.html
 
 I know it sounds daft, but Christians actually blame the Jews for
 killing their god!

It *is* daft.  The vast majority of Christians
do not blame the Jews.  Any who do just aren't
thinking straight.  After all, if Jesus hadn't
died on the cross, there wouldn't *be* any
Christianity.  If you're going to blame the Jews
for Jesus' death, you have to believe God made a
Big Mistake.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
 
 http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/scientificproof/scientificpro
 of2.html
  
  I know it sounds daft, but Christians actually blame the Jews for
  killing their god!
 
 It *is* daft.  The vast majority of Christians
 do not blame the Jews.  Any who do just aren't
 thinking straight.  After all, if Jesus hadn't
 died on the cross, there wouldn't *be* any
 Christianity.  If you're going to blame the Jews
 for Jesus' death, you have to believe God made a
 Big Mistake.


It was a *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
attitude towards Jews!

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
  
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/scientificproof/scientificp
ro
  of2.html
   
   I know it sounds daft, but Christians actually blame the
   Jews for killing their god!
  
  It *is* daft.  The vast majority of Christians
  do not blame the Jews.  Any who do just aren't
  thinking straight.  After all, if Jesus hadn't
  died on the cross, there wouldn't *be* any
  Christianity.  If you're going to blame the Jews
  for Jesus' death, you have to believe God made a
  Big Mistake.
 
 It was a *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
 attitude towards Jews!

Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for Protestants.

 http://www.humanitas-
international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 8:27:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know  it sounds daft, but Christians actually blame the Jews for
 killing  their god!

It *is* daft. The vast majority of Christians
do not  blame the Jews. Any who do just aren't
thinking straight. After all, if  Jesus hadn't
died on the cross, there wouldn't *be* any
Christianity. If  you're going to blame the Jews
for Jesus' death, you have to believe God  made a
Big Mistake.



Exactly! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 9:15:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
attitude towards  Jews!



Martin Luther wasn't the first. The Anti Semitism found in the church was  
started by Constantine around 324 AD and grew from there. This became known  as 
Replacement Theology in which it was taught that the Church replaced the Jews  
as God's chosen people. There is no such thing in the Bible! In fact the Book 
of  Romans says that the Gospel is for the Jew first, then the Gentile. 
Hitler  made use of Martin Luther's and the Catholic Church's attitude to 
justify 
his  program. However, Replacement Theology has finally been replaced and few  
Churches preach such a doctrine. Most preachers today are much more in line 
with  the book of Romans and are placing greater emphasis on embracing the 
Hebraic  roots of the original church. 
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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 8:27:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I know  it sounds daft, but Christians actually blame the Jews for
  killing  their god!
 
 It *is* daft. The vast majority of Christians
 do not  blame the Jews. Any who do just aren't
 thinking straight. After all, if  Jesus hadn't
 died on the cross, there wouldn't *be* any
 Christianity. If  you're going to blame the Jews
 for Jesus' death, you have to believe God  made a
 Big Mistake.
 
 Exactly!

I'm not a believer, but how any Christian could be
pissed off at the Jews for cooperating with God to
make salvation possible just boggles the mind.  It's
not as if it's an obscure point of Christian
theology!

I couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
of the anti-Semitic rant of Luther that cardemeister
linked to, but in those paragaphs, at least, he wasn't
complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he was
condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
view) to recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 9:31:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
 attitude towards  Jews!

Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for  Protestants.



But Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the Catholic  Church 
who was responsible for the anti Semitism  of his day. The Catholic  church 
murdered Jews in the Crusades and on through the Spanish Inquisition  where 
they also confiscated the wealth of Jews who were alive and even put on  trial 
dead Jews. 
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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 9:15:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
 attitude towards  Jews!
 
 
 
 Martin Luther wasn't the first. The Anti Semitism found in the 
church was  
 started by Constantine around 324 AD and grew from there. This 
became known  as 
 Replacement Theology in which it was taught that the Church 
replaced the Jews  
 as God's chosen people. There is no such thing in the Bible! In 
fact the Book 
 of  Romans says that the Gospel is for the Jew first, then the 
Gentile. 
 Hitler  made use of Martin Luther's and the Catholic Church's 
attitude to justify 
 his  program. However, Replacement Theology has finally been 
replaced and few  
 Churches preach such a doctrine. Most preachers today are much more 
in line 
 with  the book of Romans and are placing greater emphasis on 
embracing the 
 Hebraic  roots of the original church.

Salvation is from the Jews, said Jesus.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 9:31:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
  attitude towards  Jews!
 
 Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for  Protestants.
 
 But Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the 
 Catholic  Church who was responsible for the anti Semitism
 of his day. The Catholic  church murdered Jews in the Crusades
 and on through the Spanish Inquisition  where they also
 confiscated the wealth of Jews who were alive and even put on
 trial dead Jews.

Sure, but Protestants would like to think Luther
restored the authenticity to Christianity that the
Catholic Church had mangled.  That he *perpetuated*
the mangling in this case is what's so embarrassing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 10:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I  couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
of the anti-Semitic  rant of Luther that cardemeister
linked to, but in those paragaphs, at  least, he wasn't
complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he  was
condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
view) to  recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.




This is all a part of Replacement Theology which is rejected by most  
Christians today. It is my understanding that most Christians today teach that  
the 
Jews are *blinded* to the Divinity of Christ till the last Gentile is  brought 
into the Kingdom then the *scales* will fall from the eyes of the Jews  as it 
was with Saul of Tarsis and in the second coming, Christ will reveal  himself 
to his people as Joseph revealed himself to his family. I've heard it  
explained that the story of Joseph is a beautiful parable to the life of the  
Messiah. From the jealousy of his brothers and selling him for 30 pieces of  
silver 
into bondage, to his rise to second only to Pharaoh and administering the  
government. And just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his brothers to  
prove 
who he was, Christ will reveal  to the Jews the scars in his  hands, feet and 
side to prove who he was when he returns. Interestingly just as  Joseph had 
his gentile servants leave the room when he revealed who he was to  his 
brothers, the gentiles in Christ are supposed to be removed from  earth before 
he 
reveals himself to his people. I heard John Hagee  teach this and the detailed 
parallels were absolutely  amazing. 
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[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 10:57:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Sure,  but Protestants would like to think Luther
restored the authenticity to  Christianity that the
Catholic Church had mangled. That he  *perpetuated*
the mangling in this case is what's so  embarrassing.



Yes he did.
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[Sal Sunshine]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:43 AM, authfriend wrote:


I couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
of the anti-Semitic rant of Luther that cardemeister
linked to, but in those paragaphs, at least, he wasn't
complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he was
condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
view) to recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.


Supposedly when Luther broke with the Church, he thought the Jews would 
flock tof his new religion, figuring that the main reason they refused 
to join the Church was its heavy-handedness.  When it turned out they 
didn't like him any better, he turned against them with a vengeance.


A bit of an ego problem, one might say.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Supposedly when Luther broke with the Church, he thought 
 the Jews would flock to his new religion, figuring that 
 the main reason they refused to join the Church was its 
 heavy-handedness.  When it turned out they didn't like 
 him any better, he turned against them with a vengeance.
 
 A bit of an ego problem, one might say.

I once got to teach meditation (not TM) in a really
cool lecture hall at the university in Amsterdam.
It was lined with portraits -- painted from life --
of the people who had lectured in that room in the
past. We're talking the great minds of European 
history; it was fun to teach there.

Anyway, one of the portraits was of Calvin, and the
other of Luther. Judging from the portraits alone,
there is simply no question who was the bigger prick.
Calvin looks like a man who *desperately* needs to 
get laid, or to take his first-ever shit, or something.
Scary...really, really scary. 

But the portrait of Luther makes him look like a fairly
cheerful monk, benign and harmless. I guess puttin' on 
your best face for the camera started long before there 
were cameras, eh?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 12:07 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Anyway, one of the portraits was of Calvin, and the
other of Luther. Judging from the portraits alone,
there is simply no question who was the bigger prick.
Calvin looks like a man who *desperately* needs to
get laid, or to take his first-ever shit, or something.
Scary...really, really scary.

But the portrait of Luther makes him look like a fairly
cheerful monk, benign and harmless. I guess puttin' on
your best face for the camera started long before there
were cameras, eh?


When Luther left the Church, he immediately got married and then 
proceeded to have 12 kids, so I guess the sex thing wasn't too much of 
a problem for him.


Calvin, OTOH, invented, well...Calvinism.  Enough said.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 10:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I  couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
 of the anti-Semitic  rant of Luther that cardemeister
 linked to, but in those paragaphs, at  least, he wasn't
 complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he  was
 condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
 view) to  recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.
 
 This is all a part of Replacement Theology which is rejected by 
most  
 Christians today. It is my understanding that most Christians today 
teach that  the 
 Jews are *blinded* to the Divinity of Christ till the last Gentile 
is  brought 
 into the Kingdom then the *scales* will fall from the eyes of the 
Jews  as it 
 was with Saul of Tarsis and in the second coming, Christ will 
reveal  himself 
 to his people as Joseph revealed himself to his family. I've heard 
it  
 explained that the story of Joseph is a beautiful parable to the 
life of the  
 Messiah. From the jealousy of his brothers and selling him for 30 
pieces of  silver 
 into bondage, to his rise to second only to Pharaoh and 
administering the  
 government. And just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
brothers to  prove 
 who he was, Christ will reveal  to the Jews the scars in his  
hands, feet and 
 side to prove who he was when he returns.

I don't think that's likely to do the trick, actually.
For Jews there are more important issues involved.

 Interestingly just as  Joseph had 
 his gentile servants leave the room when he revealed who he was to  
his 
 brothers, the gentiles in Christ are supposed to be removed from  
earth before he 
 reveals himself to his people. I heard John Hagee  teach this and 
the detailed 
 parallels were absolutely  amazing.

You can draw parallels 'till they're coming out
your ears.  That you can do so doesn't necessarily
prove anything.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:43 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  I couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
  of the anti-Semitic rant of Luther that cardemeister
  linked to, but in those paragaphs, at least, he wasn't
  complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he was
  condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
  view) to recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.
 
 Supposedly when Luther broke with the Church, he thought the
 Jews would flock tof his new religion, figuring that the main 
 reason they refused to join the Church was its heavy-handedness.  
 When it turned out they didn't like him any better, he turned 
 against them with a vengeance.

Well, that figures!

He sure was ignorant of the concerns of the Jews.
 
 A bit of an ego problem, one might say.

You bet.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 12:12:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Anyway,  one of the portraits was of Calvin, and the
other of Luther. Judging from  the portraits alone,
there is simply no question who was the bigger  prick.
Calvin looks like a man who *desperately* needs to 
get laid, or  to take his first-ever shit, or something.
Scary...really, really scary.  

But the portrait of Luther makes him look like a fairly
cheerful  monk, benign and harmless. I guess puttin' on 
your best face for the  camera started long before there 
were cameras,  eh?



Have you ever noticed that many photos of great yogis don't make them look  
very enlightened either?
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[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 1:01:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And just  as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
brothers to prove 
 who  he was, Christ will reveal to the Jews the scars in his 
hands, feet and  
 side to prove who he was when he returns.

I don't think that's  likely to do the trick, actually.
For Jews there are more important issues  involved.



No , that will not be what makes them accept him as Messiah, but will show  
them that  he was Jesus.
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[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 12:12:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Anyway,  one of the portraits was of Calvin, and the
 other of Luther. Judging from  the portraits alone,
 there is simply no question who was the bigger  prick.
 Calvin looks like a man who *desperately* needs to 
 get laid, or  to take his first-ever shit, or something.
 Scary...really, really scary.  
 
 But the portrait of Luther makes him look like a fairly
 cheerful  monk, benign and harmless. I guess puttin' on 
 your best face for the  camera started long before there 
 were cameras,  eh?
 
 
 
 Have you ever noticed that many photos of great yogis 
 don't make them look very enlightened either?

Maybe they weren't.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 4:14:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Have you  ever noticed that many photos of great yogis 
 don't make them look  very enlightened either?

Maybe they  weren't.




Perhaps not. But some look downright grumpy!
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[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 9:31:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
  attitude towards  Jews!
 
 Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for  Protestants.
 
 
 
 But Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the Catholic  Church 
 who was responsible for the anti Semitism  of his day. The Catholic  church 
 murdered Jews in the Crusades and on through the Spanish Inquisition  where 
 they also confiscated the wealth of Jews who were alive and even put on  
 trial 
 dead Jews. 

Brazil is loaded with the descendants of Crypto-Jews--Jews who converted to 
Christianity 
to escape death during the Portuguese Inquisition (less known that the Spanish) 
and then 
migrated to Brazil so they could continue to practice their religion with 
little fear of 
persecution.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 2/20/07 9:31:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
   attitude towards  Jews!
  
  Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for  Protestants.
  
  But Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the 
  Catholic  Church who was responsible for the anti Semitism
  of his day. The Catholic  church murdered Jews in the Crusades
  and on through the Spanish Inquisition  where they also
  confiscated the wealth of Jews who were alive and even put on
  trial dead Jews.
 
 Sure, but Protestants would like to think Luther
 restored the authenticity to Christianity that the
 Catholic Church had mangled.  That he *perpetuated*
 the mangling in this case is what's so embarrassing.



ALL Christian sects mangle parts of the tradition. The Sabbath is supposed to 
be held at 
the same time the Jews observe it, hence the  reason why all Romance languages 
(as far as 
I know) call Saturday Sabbath Day.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

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[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 10:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I  couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
 of the anti-Semitic  rant of Luther that cardemeister
 linked to, but in those paragaphs, at  least, he wasn't
 complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he  was
 condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
 view) to  recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.
 
 
 
 
 This is all a part of Replacement Theology which is rejected by most  
 Christians today. It is my understanding that most Christians today teach 
 that  the 
 Jews are *blinded* to the Divinity of Christ till the last Gentile is  
 brought 
 into the Kingdom then the *scales* will fall from the eyes of the Jews  as it 
 was with Saul of Tarsis and in the second coming, Christ will reveal  himself 
 to his people as Joseph revealed himself to his family. I've heard it  
 explained that the story of Joseph is a beautiful parable to the life of the  
 Messiah. From the jealousy of his brothers and selling him for 30 pieces of  
 silver 
 into bondage, to his rise to second only to Pharaoh and administering the  
 government. And just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his brothers to  
 prove 
 who he was, Christ will reveal  to the Jews the scars in his  hands, feet and 
 side to prove who he was when he returns. Interestingly just as  Joseph had 
 his gentile servants leave the room when he revealed who he was to  his 
 brothers, the gentiles in Christ are supposed to be removed from  earth 
 before he 
 reveals himself to his people. I heard John Hagee  teach this and the 
 detailed 
 parallels were absolutely  amazing. 


Seeing how Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world today, the time 
when 
everyone save the Jews will be converted to Christianity seems. well, far-off 
and receding...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 4:45:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But  Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the Catholic Church 
 
 who was responsible for the anti Semitism of his day. The Catholic  church 
 murdered Jews in the Crusades and on through the Spanish  Inquisition where 
 they also confiscated the wealth of Jews who were  alive and even put on 
trial 
 dead Jews. 

Brazil is loaded with  the descendants of Crypto-Jews-Brazil is loaded with  
the descen
to  escape death during the Portuguese Inquisition (less known that the 
Spanish)  and then 
migrated to Brazil so they could continue to practice their  religion with 
little fear of 
persecution.



So is Mexico
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[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/20/07 4:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

hence  the reason why all Romance languages (as far as 
I know) call Saturday  Sabbath Day.



I always thought it was Saturday after Saturn and Sunday after the Sun and  
Monday after the moon.
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[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It was a *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
 attitude towards Jews!
 
 http://www.humanitas-
international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm


**

Luther's attitude toward Jews was based more on jealousy of Jewish 
success rather than any religious bias. You can see Luther's social 
jealousy in his comments about Jews sitting by the oven, eating pears, 
while a self-styled good Xtian like Luther was poor and struggling his 
whole life:

From: Martin Luther, Von den Juden und ihren Lügen (About the Jews 
and their lies)... and wealth while they sit behind the oven, laze 
about, splurge, fry pears, ...

http://tinyurl.com/yvmnde

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 2/20/07 9:31:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
   It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
attitude towards  Jews!
   
   Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for  Protestants.
   
   But Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the 
   Catholic  Church who was responsible for the anti Semitism
   of his day. The Catholic  church murdered Jews in the Crusades
   and on through the Spanish Inquisition  where they also
   confiscated the wealth of Jews who were alive and even put on
   trial dead Jews.
  
  Sure, but Protestants would like to think Luther
  restored the authenticity to Christianity that the
  Catholic Church had mangled.  That he *perpetuated*
  the mangling in this case is what's so embarrassing.
 
 ALL Christian sects mangle parts of the tradition. The Sabbath is 
supposed to be held at 
 the same time the Jews observe it, hence the  reason why all 
Romance languages (as far as 
 I know) call Saturday Sabbath Day.

Yeah, but I'm talking about doctrine, not tradition.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 4:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 hence  the reason why all Romance languages (as far as 
 I know) call Saturday  Sabbath Day.
 
 
 
 I always thought it was Saturday after Saturn and Sunday after the Sun and  
 Monday after the moon.


English is a Germanic language. And the English names seem to follow (at least 
partly) the 
convention used by China and Japan, rather than Rome:

Sun Day, Moon Day, Fire Day, Water Day, Wood Day, Gold Day, Earth Day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
 
In a message dated 2/20/07 9:31:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
jstein@ writes:

It was a  *huge* surprise to me that Luther had such a negative
 attitude towards  Jews!

Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for  Protestants.

But Martin Luther was taught the Replacement Theology by the 
Catholic  Church who was responsible for the anti Semitism
of his day. The Catholic  church murdered Jews in the Crusades
and on through the Spanish Inquisition  where they also
confiscated the wealth of Jews who were alive and even put on
trial dead Jews.
   
   Sure, but Protestants would like to think Luther
   restored the authenticity to Christianity that the
   Catholic Church had mangled.  That he *perpetuated*
   the mangling in this case is what's so embarrassing.
  
  ALL Christian sects mangle parts of the tradition. The Sabbath is 
 supposed to be held at 
  the same time the Jews observe it, hence the  reason why all 
 Romance languages (as far as 
  I know) call Saturday Sabbath Day.
 
 Yeah, but I'm talking about doctrine, not tradition.


The doctrine is what mangled the tradition, in this case. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 2/20/07 4:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
  sparaig@ writes:
  
  hence  the reason why all Romance languages (as far as 
  I know) call Saturday  Sabbath Day.
  
  
  
  I always thought it was Saturday after Saturn and Sunday after 
the Sun and  
  Monday after the moon.
 
 
 English is a Germanic language. And the English names seem to 
follow (at least partly) the 
 convention used by China and Japan, rather than Rome:
 
 Sun Day, Moon Day, Fire Day, Water Day, Wood Day, Gold Day,
 Earth Day.

English follows German pretty closely; the days
are all named for the sun/moon and the planetary
gods in English, but German has mundane names for
Wednesday and Saturday:

Sontag/Sunday (sun's day), Montag/Monday (moon's day), 
Dienstag/Tuesday (Ziu/Mars' day), Mittwoch/Wednesday 
(midweek/Mercury/Wodan's day), Donnerstag/Thursday 
(Donner/Jupiter/Thor's day), Freitag/Friday (Freia/Venus' day), 
Sonnabend/Saturday (Sunday eve/Saturn's day)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 2/20/07 4:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
   sparaig@ writes:
   
   hence  the reason why all Romance languages (as far as 
   I know) call Saturday  Sabbath Day.
   
   
   
   I always thought it was Saturday after Saturn and Sunday after 
 the Sun and  
   Monday after the moon.
  
  
  English is a Germanic language. And the English names seem to 
 follow (at least partly) the 
  convention used by China and Japan, rather than Rome:
  
  Sun Day, Moon Day, Fire Day, Water Day, Wood Day, Gold Day,
  Earth Day.
 
 English follows German pretty closely; the days
 are all named for the sun/moon and the planetary
 gods in English, but German has mundane names for
 Wednesday and Saturday:
 
 Sontag/Sunday (sun's day), Montag/Monday (moon's day), 
 Dienstag/Tuesday (Ziu/Mars' day), Mittwoch/Wednesday 
 (midweek/Mercury/Wodan's day), Donnerstag/Thursday 
 (Donner/Jupiter/Thor's day), Freitag/Friday (Freia/Venus' day), 
 Sonnabend/Saturday (Sunday eve/Saturn's day)


 Gold day is payday in Japan and much of Asia and apparently has been for 
many 
centuries. Saturn  was god of crops and seeds. The Chinese/Japanese symbol for 
soil/
saturday shows a stalk of some kind growing from the ground.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=enq=soil+kanji

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[qntmpkt]

---If Jesus is the Messiah, He'll have to give a demonstration (not 
faith based Bible beliefs), as to exactly why and how He's the 
Savior, and what He has to offer that other Entities can't offer. 
Remission of sins? I haven't seen this. 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 10:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I  couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
 of the anti-Semitic  rant of Luther that cardemeister
 linked to, but in those paragaphs, at  least, he wasn't
 complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he  was
 condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
 view) to  recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.
 
 
 
 
 This is all a part of Replacement Theology which is rejected by 
most  
 Christians today. It is my understanding that most Christians today 
teach that  the 
 Jews are *blinded* to the Divinity of Christ till the last Gentile 
is  brought 
 into the Kingdom then the *scales* will fall from the eyes of the 
Jews  as it 
 was with Saul of Tarsis and in the second coming, Christ will 
reveal  himself 
 to his people as Joseph revealed himself to his family. I've heard 
it  
 explained that the story of Joseph is a beautiful parable to the 
life of the  
 Messiah. From the jealousy of his brothers and selling him for 30 
pieces of  silver 
 into bondage, to his rise to second only to Pharaoh and 
administering the  
 government. And just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
brothers to  prove 
 who he was, Christ will reveal  to the Jews the scars in his  
hands, feet and 
 side to prove who he was when he returns. Interestingly just as  
Joseph had 
 his gentile servants leave the room when he revealed who he was to  
his 
 brothers, the gentiles in Christ are supposed to be removed from  
earth before he 
 reveals himself to his people. I heard John Hagee  teach this and 
the detailed 
 parallels were absolutely  amazing. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 2/20/07 1:01:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 And just  as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
 brothers to prove 
  who  he was, Christ will reveal to the Jews the scars in his 
 hands, feet and  
  side to prove who he was when he returns.
 
 I don't think that's  likely to do the trick, actually.
 For Jews there are more important issues  involved.
 
 No , that will not be what makes them accept him as Messiah,
 but will show them that  he was Jesus.

Anybody can have scars on their hands and feet
and side.

The problem with Jesus as Messiah is that he
clearly wasn't the Messiah prophesied to the Jews
in the Hebrew Scriptures.  Among other things,
The prophesied Messiah will be a human being, not
God. And it's blasphemy in Judaism to say a human
being is divine.  The High Priest wasn't ripping
his garments just for dramatic effect.

I know the response to this is that the Jews have
misunderstood their own scriptures, but that's
just insulting.  It's no wonder knowledgeable Jews
aren't interested.

I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a Really Big Deal, just
that Christians ought to leave the Jews the frack
alone about him and worry about their own salvation.
If God wants His Chosen People to turn to Jesus,
He'll find a way to do it, but I seriously doubt it's
going to look like a parallel between Bible stories.
And He's got a whole lot of 'splainin' to do.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---If Jesus is the Messiah, He'll have to give a demonstration (not 
 faith based Bible beliefs), as to exactly why and how He's the 
 Savior, and what He has to offer that other Entities can't offer. 
 Remission of sins? I haven't seen this. 


Word!







 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 2/20/07 10:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  I  couldn't stomach reading more than a few paragraphs
  of the anti-Semitic  rant of Luther that cardemeister
  linked to, but in those paragaphs, at  least, he wasn't
  complaining about the Jews having killed Jesus, he  was
  condemning them for refusing (appropriately, in my
  view) to  recognize Jesus as the prophesied Messiah.
  
  
  
  
  This is all a part of Replacement Theology which is rejected by 
 most  
  Christians today. It is my understanding that most Christians today 
 teach that  the 
  Jews are *blinded* to the Divinity of Christ till the last Gentile 
 is  brought 
  into the Kingdom then the *scales* will fall from the eyes of the 
 Jews  as it 
  was with Saul of Tarsis and in the second coming, Christ will 
 reveal  himself 
  to his people as Joseph revealed himself to his family. I've heard 
 it  
  explained that the story of Joseph is a beautiful parable to the 
 life of the  
  Messiah. From the jealousy of his brothers and selling him for 30 
 pieces of  silver 
  into bondage, to his rise to second only to Pharaoh and 
 administering the  
  government. And just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
 brothers to  prove 
  who he was, Christ will reveal  to the Jews the scars in his  
 hands, feet and 
  side to prove who he was when he returns. Interestingly just as  
 Joseph had 
  his gentile servants leave the room when he revealed who he was to  
 his 
  brothers, the gentiles in Christ are supposed to be removed from  
 earth before he 
  reveals himself to his people. I heard John Hagee  teach this and 
 the detailed 
  parallels were absolutely  amazing. 
  BRBRBR**BR Check out 
 free AOL at 
  http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp.  Most comprehensive set of 
 free 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes!?

[curtisdeltablues]

Sista soul Ja lays it down.  Who else has read both of the relevant
scriptures?  Well me for one, but you get my point!  

Most of the New Testiment is based on making the case of Jesus'
divinity through miricles and fullfullment of prophesy.  Nice one Judy.  




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 2/20/07 1:01:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  And just  as Joseph revealed his circumcision to his 
  brothers to prove 
   who  he was, Christ will reveal to the Jews the scars in his 
  hands, feet and  
   side to prove who he was when he returns.
  
  I don't think that's  likely to do the trick, actually.
  For Jews there are more important issues  involved.
  
  No , that will not be what makes them accept him as Messiah,
  but will show them that  he was Jesus.
 
 Anybody can have scars on their hands and feet
 and side.
 
 The problem with Jesus as Messiah is that he
 clearly wasn't the Messiah prophesied to the Jews
 in the Hebrew Scriptures.  Among other things,
 The prophesied Messiah will be a human being, not
 God. And it's blasphemy in Judaism to say a human
 being is divine.  The High Priest wasn't ripping
 his garments just for dramatic effect.
 
 I know the response to this is that the Jews have
 misunderstood their own scriptures, but that's
 just insulting.  It's no wonder knowledgeable Jews
 aren't interested.
 
 I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a Really Big Deal, just
 that Christians ought to leave the Jews the frack
 alone about him and worry about their own salvation.
 If God wants His Chosen People to turn to Jesus,
 He'll find a way to do it, but I seriously doubt it's
 going to look like a parallel between Bible stories.
 And He's got a whole lot of 'splainin' to do.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes...ananta-samaapatti??

[cardemaister]

Oops, wrong highlight in samaapatti...






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