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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. And what would my way be in this case? There aren't any proven uses for it, only anecdotes. The only plus I can see is that I might end up looking like a cyberman. You are welcome to keep using it if you find it effective. Maybe you'd prefer it if I became the bastard son of Judy and argued on and on and on and on about it until every point has been trissected a billion times and we've all forgotten what we were talking about in the first place... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. Oh well, all I know is that it works on my husband's split fingers in the winter like nothing else can. How do you know it works like nothing else can? It works great on skin issues with my horses, it cleared up your two decade old psoriasis and Alex has found it apparently useful enough to have concocted a home brew that he swears by. I guess Sal is just someone who requires regimented documentation before he'll dip his toe into some metaphorical medicinal pool. Just someone? So you would willingly take something without checking it out first? Like the people who sued the TMO for lead poisoning didn't? I may well have tried any type of folk medicine once, it all seems so innocent but there have proven to be risks with at least some remedies and most are inert placebo's, and as I keep patiently pointing out it doesn't matter that it's a placebo it will still work, it just has a different active ingredient to the one you think. Silver has anti-bacterial properties, it is considered to have risks that outweigh the benefits and there are better products freely available. What else does anyone need to know? PS, Do not drink it. Only scientifically-verified documentation and rigorous testing for him. I personally wish I had more faith in the scientific method as well as allopathic medicine. That is such a dumb statement, maybe you want to try understanding scientific method first? It would be so much easier to believe wholeheartedly as long as it has the scientist certified seal of approval. Duh... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
I think you've amply displayed classic Judy traits in this discussion thus far, so yes, I agree, no need to keep at it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. And what would my way be in this case? There aren't any proven uses for it, only anecdotes. The only plus I can see is that I might end up looking like a cyberman. You are welcome to keep using it if you find it effective. Maybe you'd prefer it if I became the bastard son of Judy and argued on and on and on and on about it until every point has been trissected a billion times and we've all forgotten what we were talking about in the first place... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man
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I recommend Champori. Tibet.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. Oh well, all I know is that it works on my husband's split fingers in the winter like nothing else can. It works great on skin issues with my horses, it cleared up your two decade old psoriasis and Alex has found it apparently useful enough to have concocted a home brew that he swears by. I guess Sal is just someone who requires regimented documentation before he'll dip his toe into some metaphorical medicinal pool. Only scientifically-verified documentation and rigorous testing for him. I personally wish I had more faith in the scientific method as well as allopathic medicine. It would be so much easier to believe wholeheartedly as long as it has the scientist certified seal of approval. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a
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Please.I do believe that Radiant Skin from MAP may be the solution here. Try it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. And what would my way be in this case? There aren't any proven uses for it, only anecdotes. The only plus I can see is that I might end up looking like a cyberman. You are welcome to keep using it if you find it effective. Maybe you'd prefer it if I became the bastard son of Judy and argued on and on and on and on about it until every point has been trissected a billion times and we've all forgotten what we were talking about in the first place... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection
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Think Zincotaand good thoughts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. Oh well, all I know is that it works on my husband's split fingers in the winter like nothing else can. How do you know it works like nothing else can? It works great on skin issues with my horses, it cleared up your two decade old psoriasis and Alex has found it apparently useful enough to have concocted a home brew that he swears by. I guess Sal is just someone who requires regimented documentation before he'll dip his toe into some metaphorical medicinal pool. Just someone? So you would willingly take something without checking it out first? Like the people who sued the TMO for lead poisoning didn't? I may well have tried any type of folk medicine once, it all seems so innocent but there have proven to be risks with at least some remedies and most are inert placebo's, and as I keep patiently pointing out it doesn't matter that it's a placebo it will still work, it just has a different active ingredient to the one you think. Silver has anti-bacterial properties, it is considered to have risks that outweigh the benefits and there are better products freely available. What else does anyone need to know? PS, Do not drink it. Only scientifically-verified documentation and rigorous testing for him. I personally wish I had more faith in the scientific method as well as allopathic medicine. That is such a dumb statement, maybe you want to try understanding scientific method first? It would be so much easier to believe wholeheartedly as long as it has the scientist certified seal of approval. Duh... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his
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Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk
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Steve, I've heard of this phenom where a cure grows right next to a poison. I guess science hasn't figured out yet how that happens. Anyway, great points and of course we like to think we're right. Cuz it makes us feel safe! On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:53 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: * A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. * A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. * Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. * A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. * Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. * Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. * A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. * A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. * A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.orgPreview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look
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Also helpful is a daily soak in Goat's milk. Did you know that goat's have the same ph as we?makes your skin soft, and touchable, and desirable, and welcoming, and warm, and... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D.
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I guess putting all your faith in science can be a crutch just like any other crutch. Most of us have a crutch, or more than one. I guess it's just part of being human. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I've heard of this phenom where a cure grows right next to a poison. I guess science hasn't figured out yet how that happens. Anyway, great points and of course we like to think we're right. Cuz it makes us feel safe! On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:53 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship]
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Beinghuman means we have Everything... Science, crutches, pseudo-science. You can slice it All pretty thin. And the mind slices, it dices... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess putting all your faith in science can be a crutch just like any other crutch. Most of us have a crutch, or more than one. I guess it's just part of being human. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I've heard of this phenom where a cure grows right next to a poison. I guess science hasn't figured out yet how that happens. Anyway, great points and of course we like to think we're right. Cuz it makes us feel safe! On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:53 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3]
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Sort of like a rascal/deceiver growing close to a pure-at-heart-very-lovely gal, right here on FFL.It's All Such A Mystery ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I've heard of this phenom where a cure grows right next to a poison. I guess science hasn't figured out yet how that happens. Anyway, great points and of course we like to think we're right. Cuz it makes us feel safe! On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:53 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with
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Got somethin' to prove? I get it now.P.S. Dearest Steve, I'm just practicing using the Show Message History function while everyone else is sleeping. I know I didn't disturb you with this test as I'm sure that you (and Share, for that matter) are meditating, and growing. Sorry if I disturbed you at all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? I don't get it. The Dock leaf stops the stinging of the nettle but science can't figure out why - and your point is? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic
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Ann's up!How're doin' Ann! Here's another of My Best Recommendations for Any Skin Problem*: sumbody bathsalts It's blended in Sabasterpol, CA. They have copper tubs right in town for a soak. Fits two. Use your imagination. I can give you the Ingredients, but it's not the same at home. Happy soaking! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? I don't get it. The Dock leaf stops the stinging of the nettle but science can't figure out why - and your point is? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. Oh well, all I know is that it works on my husband's split fingers in the winter like nothing else can. How do you know it works like nothing else can? I know that it works within 8 hours so it works as well as anything else could because even if something else could close the splits in the same amount of time which is, granted, possible 8 hours is fast enough. Certainly he could get scientific about it and keep experimenting with other topical ointments but he doesn't want to bother because he is not conducting an experiment, he is just looking for quick relief. It works great on skin issues with my horses, it cleared up your two decade old psoriasis and Alex has found it apparently useful enough to have concocted a home brew that he swears by. I guess Sal is just someone who requires regimented documentation before he'll dip his toe into some metaphorical medicinal pool. Just someone? So you would willingly take something without checking it out first? Like the people who sued the TMO for lead poisoning didn't? Nope, I will always check out information on a product but in my experience just because something is endorsed by the pharmacist or an ad on TV or some internet site doesn't mean I believe it. I need to look at the ingredients, read up on them, talk to others who have taken it and then assess it in my own mind after weighing all the evidence available to me. It helps if no one died using a particular medicine, that weighs heavily in its favor. I may well have tried any type of folk medicine once, it all seems so innocent but there have proven to be risks with at least some remedies and most are inert placebo's, and as I keep patiently pointing out it doesn't matter that it's a placebo it will still work, it just has a different active ingredient to the one you think. Silver has anti-bacterial properties, it is considered to have risks that outweigh the benefits and there are better products freely available. What else does anyone need to know? I fail to see where topical application of colloidal silver causes health risks, but I'll do a little more research. PS, Do not drink it. See above. Only scientifically-verified documentation and rigorous testing for him. I personally wish I had more faith in the scientific method as well as allopathic medicine. That is such a dumb statement, maybe you want to try understanding scientific method first? Not dumb at all, how is claiming that one would like a better understanding of and thus a deeper faith in something dumb? You just seem to be getting all hot under the collar because others seem willing to embrace things that haven't necessarily gone through the rigors of testing that you believe, personally, are valid. It would be so much easier to believe wholeheartedly as long as it has the scientist certified seal of approval. Duh... Again, not duh. What I am saying is that I don't have a lot of faith in how drugs are tested nor do I believe that research over time won't uncover other truths. Consequently I don't believe wholeheartedly in very much that is dependent on the verification by fallible human beings, or those who have a vested interest financially or otherwise in promoting a product. It's great that you endorse so heartily science and its ability to not miss important data or which can uncover some absolute truth about a thing but I haven't gotten there yet. I have seen too many facts turned on their head over time.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. Then you don't get it at all. I wonder why that is? And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, I think we get it. For whatever reason, until science proves something, you are more comfortable putting all alternative cures in the placebo bin. And of course, if you look at the evidence on Dock Leaf as I just did, you see a variety of opinions, not just your determination that it contains no active ingredient that might reduce the swelling. It's the same with CS. You point out the evidence that supports your POV, and discount the rest. Everyone like to think they're right. You included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. My version? In England we have these things called Stinging Nettles, brush against them with bare legs - or even thin trousers - and you get a painful little rash with raised bumps and a red patch that will hang around for hours if left untreated. Luckily - as popular wisdom would have it - nature has provided the cure with the Dock Leaf which always grows nearby, nice bit of nature support. As everybody knows almost from birth if you rub a Dock Leaf on nettle rash it goes down immediately and this is what we always do, and it works every time. It turns out of course, that the Dock Leaf has no active ingredients that may counter the acids in Stinging Nettles. This doesn't stop it working. That's what science does, it sorts out what is going on better than we can tell with anecdote alone. The question is, would you rather know or not know? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. Don't worry, the one doesn't negate the other ;-) From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
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Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices
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Dude, I can't explain it any better than I did. I put on a couple dabs a couple times a day, and didn't really think about it. I just happened to notice that it cured this skin condition. If you feel better calling it an outcome of a placebo, I am okay with that. As best I can determine, there was some active ingredient that worked. But just one follow up question. The medicine the doctors gave me. I put that medicine with an actual expectation that it would cure the dry skin patch, but it didn't. I put the colloidal, really as an after thought. and it worked. So, that's sort of interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996
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He knows y'all need a heap more hep than I do. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones
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The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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On 8/25/2014 6:39 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? Also, for some reason MJ, Salya and Barry don't want to talk about the Rama levitation events. Go figure. On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: *Colloidal silver* (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.^[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9 ^[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
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Excellent point, Steve. Where are Ann's stars when we need them? And should we wait to see if salyavin answers you? On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:23 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dude, I can't explain it any better than I did. I put on a couple dabs a couple times a day, and didn't really think about it. I just happened to notice that it cured this skin condition. If you feel better calling it an outcome of a placebo, I am okay with that. As best I can determine, there was some active ingredient that worked. But just one follow up question. The medicine the doctors gave me. I put that medicine with an actual expectation that it would cure the dry skin patch, but it didn't. I put the colloidal, really as an after thought. and it worked. So, that's sort of interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative
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Michael, good alliteration. And I'll see your y'all and raise you one! On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:26 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He knows y'all need a heap more hep than I do. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary
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I have no idea what proprietary processes the commercial vendors use to make higher concentrations. I just know from 10+ years of making the stuff at home and being involved in the online CS community, silver starts dropping out if a batch is run too long. As for Salya, I don't care what he says because when it comes to colloidal silver, I have far more knowledge and experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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That stuff I used was because I had some candida to deal with in my sinuses and ears - about 6 weeks it took but the cs did it! I used a brand called Germ Slayer - it was colloidal silver and colloidal platinum. It was recommend to me by someone who CLAIMED to have cured themselves of Lyme using it as part of their regimen. Germ Slayer is no longer sold - because of their marketing to Lyme sufferers, the FDA shut 'em down. But it was good stuff. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I have no idea what proprietary processes the commercial vendors use to make higher concentrations. I just know from 10+ years of making the stuff at home and being involved in the online CS community, silver starts dropping out if a batch is run too long. As for Salya, I don't care what he says because when it comes to colloidal silver, I have far more knowledge and experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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You realize of course, that according to Sal, the relief you felt, or god forbid, the cure, purely a function of the placebo effect. No other explanation accepted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That stuff I used was because I had some candida to deal with in my sinuses and ears - about 6 weeks it took but the cs did it! I used a brand called Germ Slayer - it was colloidal silver and colloidal platinum. It was recommend to me by someone who CLAIMED to have cured themselves of Lyme using it as part of their regimen. Germ Slayer is no longer sold - because of their marketing to Lyme sufferers, the FDA shut 'em down. But it was good stuff. From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I have no idea what proprietary processes the commercial vendors use to make higher concentrations. I just know from 10+ years of making the stuff at home and being involved in the online CS community, silver starts dropping out if a batch is run too long. As for Salya, I don't care what he says because when it comes to colloidal silver, I have far more knowledge and experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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I was glad to git the relief placebo or tuxedo or magneto not withstanding. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy You realize of course, that according to Sal, the relief you felt, or god forbid, the cure, purely a function of the placebo effect. No other explanation accepted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That stuff I used was because I had some candida to deal with in my sinuses and ears - about 6 weeks it took but the cs did it! I used a brand called Germ Slayer - it was colloidal silver and colloidal platinum. It was recommend to me by someone who CLAIMED to have cured themselves of Lyme using it as part of their regimen. Germ Slayer is no longer sold - because of their marketing to Lyme sufferers, the FDA shut 'em down. But it was good stuff. From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I have no idea what proprietary processes the commercial vendors use to make higher concentrations. I just know from 10+ years of making the stuff at home and being involved in the online CS community, silver starts dropping out if a batch is run too long. As for Salya, I don't care what he says because when it comes to colloidal silver, I have far more knowledge and experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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Alex, for what purpose do you take it ?---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I have no idea what proprietary processes the commercial vendors use to make higher concentrations. I just know from 10+ years of making the stuff at home and being involved in the online CS community, silver starts dropping out if a batch is run too long. As for Salya, I don't care what he says because when it comes to colloidal silver, I have far more knowledge and experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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I use it because a shaman once tolt me that if'n I consumed enough colloidal sivver ever day (made by him) it would ward off the negative energies of unrepentant TM'ers so I wouldn't take on their karma and become brain dead again. So I use it religiously. Ever day. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Alex, for what purpose do you take it ?---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I have no idea what proprietary processes the commercial vendors use to make higher concentrations. I just know from 10+ years of making the stuff at home and being involved in the online CS community, silver starts dropping out if a batch is run too long. As for Salya, I don't care what he says because when it comes to colloidal silver, I have far more knowledge and experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Excellent point, Steve. Where are Ann's stars when we need them? And should we wait to see if salyavin answers you? Special stars for you, Share. On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:23 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dude, I can't explain it any better than I did. I put on a couple dabs a couple times a day, and didn't really think about it. I just happened to notice that it cured this skin condition. If you feel better calling it an outcome of a placebo, I am okay with that. As best I can determine, there was some active ingredient that worked. But just one follow up question. The medicine the doctors gave me. I put that medicine with an actual expectation that it would cure the dry skin patch, but it didn't. I put the colloidal, really as an after thought. and it worked. So, that's sort of interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles
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On 8/25/2014 8:23 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He knows y'all need a heap more hep than I do. Put the blame on us, but it was your decision. Take responsibility and don't worry so much about what others do or don't do. *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 7:39 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: *Colloidal silver* (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century
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On 8/25/2014 9:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sal gone give you a whoopin'! But I agree - I used to take 4 tablespoons of a 30ppm colloidal silver everyday for about 2 months - no blue skin here. But from what you write, I was being fooled when they claimed 30 ppm!! Well what do ya know - even the sivver people can lie! It's all about casting blame on others. When do you think you will be able to take responsibility for your own actions? *From:* j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 10:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy The dangers of colloidal silver are VASTLY overblown. Argyria is exceedingly rare, and the scary news stories about it are always limited to three cases: Rosemary Jacobs, Paul Karason, and Stan Jones. Rosemary used silver nose drops from her doctor that contained a high concentration of some silver compound. Paul and Stan both used homebrew colloidal silver, but they both made it incorrectly, using tap water and/or added salt, which resulted in a concentrated silver soup that they both consumed in large quantities. Properly made, Electrically Isolated Silver contains pure, steam distilled water and .999+ silver ONLY. Above 20 PPM, the silver starts agglomerating and precipitating out, so properly made homebrew will only contain 20 PPM or less of silver. At that concentration, one would suffer from excessive water intake before enough silver could be ingested to cause argyria. The body has a certain capacity to excrete silver, and it is only when that capacity is exceeded that the silver starts building up in the skin. Further reading: http://www.silvermedicine.org/ http://www.colloidal-silver-facts.com/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? It's a tease Share, you are the one who doesn't use normal medication because of potential side effects but the first thing I see when I look at your choice of alternatives is that you may not have checked them as thoroughly as I would have! I'm sure you are all quite capable of making your own decisions, google is only a click away after all On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10
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salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So...such is my kind of science. On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:03 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? It's a tease Share, you are the one who doesn't use normal medication because of potential side effects but the first thing I see when I look at your choice of alternatives is that you may not have checked them as thoroughly as I would have! I'm sure you are all quite capable of making your own decisions, google is only a click away after all On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer
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I take it for chronic epididymitis. I was first diagnosed with it in 1999, and I took four courses of antibiotics over the next two years, but it would always come back. I stumbled across colloidal silver, and I kept it in check for a couple years by drinking a glass or two every day. Finally, after a friend badgered me enough, I consulted with a medical intuitive chiropractor over the phone (yeah, 100% pure woo), and he put me on a huge, crazy supplement regimen of tens of bottles each of various supplements, going through each supplement sequentially in daily megadoses. It took about 6 months to go through all of it, but after that, my body was able to keep the infection in check on its own, with only very occasional flare-ups, for 11+ years. Unfortunately, in recent months, it has returned and I've had to go back on the silver. During the previous 11 years, I'd only take it for those occasional flare-ups or when I felt a cold coming on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Alex, for what purpose do you take it ?
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Sal makes a good point about your avoidance of medicines because of fear of side effects. And is this fear based on something that happened last night? Yesterday? Or is it based on decades of anecdotes, experiences, situations and information? So its not ok for me to comment on what people have done decades ago, but your rosy TM glow apparently leads you to the do as I say, not as I do mentality? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So...such is my kind of science. On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:03 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? It's a tease Share, you are the one who doesn't use normal medication because of potential side effects but the first thing I see when I look at your choice of alternatives is that you may not have checked them as thoroughly as I would have! I'm sure you are all quite capable of making your own decisions, google is only a click away after all On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4
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Michael, I've already mentioned that last August I took a prescription antibiotic for a lingering cough. Of course I read the warning about possible side effects. Plus I had a stomach ache. Also, when I visit my family and watch TV, as I did this past May, I hear side effects listed of medicines being advertised. As you can see, hopefully, neither of these occurred decades ago! On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:30 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sal makes a good point about your avoidance of medicines because of fear of side effects. And is this fear based on something that happened last night? Yesterday? Or is it based on decades of anecdotes, experiences, situations and information? So its not ok for me to comment on what people have done decades ago, but your rosy TM glow apparently leads you to the do as I say, not as I do mentality? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So...such is my kind of science. On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:03 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? It's a tease Share, you are the one who doesn't use normal medication because of potential side effects but the first thing I see when I look at your choice of alternatives is that you may not have checked them as thoroughly as I would have! I'm sure you are all quite capable of making your own decisions, google is only a click away after all On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re
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God Almighty! I had it once - didn't know it could be chronic! You have my sympathy - if I had it chronic, I would drink ten gallons of cs a day if it would cure it. That shit ain't for sissies, I can tell you that. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I take it for chronic epididymitis. I was first diagnosed with it in 1999, and I took four courses of antibiotics over the next two years, but it would always come back. I stumbled across colloidal silver, and I kept it in check for a couple years by drinking a glass or two every day. Finally, after a friend badgered me enough, I consulted with a medical intuitive chiropractor over the phone (yeah, 100% pure woo), and he put me on a huge, crazy supplement regimen of tens of bottles each of various supplements, going through each supplement sequentially in daily megadoses. It took about 6 months to go through all of it, but after that, my body was able to keep the infection in check on its own, with only very occasional flare-ups, for 11+ years. Unfortunately, in recent months, it has returned and I've had to go back on the silver. During the previous 11 years, I'd only take it for those occasional flare-ups or when I felt a cold coming on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Alex, for what purpose do you take it ?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your money and you takes your chance
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On 8/25/2014 1:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? It's a tease Share, Actually it was /false flag message/ planted to confuse. Everyone now knows that MJ used colloidal silver as an /alternative therapy/. That's his MO - Judy would have caught him red-handed and given him a thrashing for trolling and for rank hypocrisy. Go figure. you are the one who doesn't use normal medication because of potential side effects but the first thing I see when I look at your choice of alternatives is that you may not have checked them as thoroughly as I would have! I'm sure you are all quite capable of making your own decisions, google is only a click away after all On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: *Colloidal silver* (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid
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salyavin, if you lived in the US, I don't think you'd be such a cultist about the FDA (-: On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:48 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: * A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. * A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. * Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. * A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. * Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. * Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. * A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. * A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. * A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your money and you takes your chance
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Hell fire I'm gone drink a whole bunch, turn blue as hell and go live in India - they'll go ape over me thinking I am Krishna returned and I'll live like a king! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: * A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. * A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. * Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. * A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. * Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. * Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. * A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. * A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. * A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your money and you takes your chance
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, if you lived in the US, I don't think you'd be such a cultist about the FDA (-: Cultist?
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Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship]
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Which generator do you use? From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes
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On 8/25/2014 1:30 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sal makes a good point about your avoidance of medicines because of fear of side effects. And is this fear based on something that happened last night? Yesterday? Or is it based on decades of anecdotes, experiences, situations and information? So its not ok for me to comment on what people have done decades ago, but your rosy TM glow apparently leads you to the do as I say, not as I do mentality? Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it. *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 2:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So...such is my kind of science. On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:03 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, here's where I find you to be very unscientific: you're warning me and Steve about the dangers of silver. And yet you don't warn Michael who also uses it! What gives? It's a tease Share, you are the one who doesn't use normal medication because of potential side effects but the first thing I see when I look at your choice of alternatives is that you may not have checked them as thoroughly as I would have! I'm sure you are all quite capable of making your own decisions, google is only a click away after all On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better
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I use a Colloid Master from http://www.wishgranted.com/ It's meant to be used with a one quart mason jar, but I use mine with a one gallon suntea jar. I also added a stirring mechanism. They claim that by reversing the polarity once a minute, stirring isn't necessary, but the unit makes better quality CS with stirring (crystal clear instead of pale yellow, which is an indication of smaller particles.) What happens is that concentrations of silver ions can build up between the electrodes, allowing localized areas of higher than optimal current; gentle stirring keeps the current level consistent. The only other units I would consider are these: http://silverpuppy.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ Sorry about the unclickable links, but the only way I've found to get Neo to give me paragraph breaks is to switch to plain text, which doesn't render the links clickable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Which generator do you use?
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I also have a one gallon batch distiller for making my own distilled water. It's purer than store bought, and it doesn't taste like a plastic jug. A pic of my setup: http://i.imgur.com/IL3FjbP.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : I use a Colloid Master from http://www.wishgranted.com/ http://www.wishgranted.com/ It's meant to be used with a one quart mason jar, but I use mine with a one gallon suntea jar. I also added a stirring mechanism. They claim that by reversing the polarity once a minute, stirring isn't necessary, but the unit makes better quality CS with stirring (crystal clear instead of pale yellow, which is an indication of smaller particles.) What happens is that concentrations of silver ions can build up between the electrodes, allowing localized areas of higher than optimal current; gentle stirring keeps the current level consistent. The only other units I would consider are these: http://silverpuppy.com/ http://silverpuppy.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ Sorry about the unclickable links, but the only way I've found to get Neo to give me paragraph breaks is to switch to plain text, which doesn't render the links clickable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Which generator do you use?
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Thank you, I appreciate it. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I use a Colloid Master from http://www.wishgranted.com/ It's meant to be used with a one quart mason jar, but I use mine with a one gallon suntea jar. I also added a stirring mechanism. They claim that by reversing the polarity once a minute, stirring isn't necessary, but the unit makes better quality CS with stirring (crystal clear instead of pale yellow, which is an indication of smaller particles.) What happens is that concentrations of silver ions can build up between the electrodes, allowing localized areas of higher than optimal current; gentle stirring keeps the current level consistent. The only other units I would consider are these: http://silverpuppy.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ Sorry about the unclickable links, but the only way I've found to get Neo to give me paragraph breaks is to switch to plain text, which doesn't render the links clickable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Which generator do you use?
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that looks pretty cool - one final question - what do you use as the silver source? From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I also have a one gallon batch distiller for making my own distilled water. It's purer than store bought, and it doesn't taste like a plastic jug. A pic of my setup: http://i.imgur.com/IL3FjbP.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : I use a Colloid Master from http://www.wishgranted.com/ http://www.wishgranted.com/ It's meant to be used with a one quart mason jar, but I use mine with a one gallon suntea jar. I also added a stirring mechanism. They claim that by reversing the polarity once a minute, stirring isn't necessary, but the unit makes better quality CS with stirring (crystal clear instead of pale yellow, which is an indication of smaller particles.) What happens is that concentrations of silver ions can build up between the electrodes, allowing localized areas of higher than optimal current; gentle stirring keeps the current level consistent. The only other units I would consider are these: http://silverpuppy.com/ http://silverpuppy.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ Sorry about the unclickable links, but the only way I've found to get Neo to give me paragraph breaks is to switch to plain text, which doesn't render the links clickable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Which generator do you use?
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Yes, I'll be curious. He seems to be following a familiar pattern we see here. I am convinced of something, so I will just ignore anything that goes against what I believe. You know, the main thing he accuses others of doing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Excellent point, Steve. Where are Ann's stars when we need them? And should we wait to see if salyavin answers you? On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:23 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dude, I can't explain it any better than I did. I put on a couple dabs a couple times a day, and didn't really think about it. I just happened to notice that it cured this skin condition. If you feel better calling it an outcome of a placebo, I am okay with that. As best I can determine, there was some active ingredient that worked. But just one follow up question. The medicine the doctors gave me. I put that medicine with an actual expectation that it would cure the dry skin patch, but it didn't. I put the colloidal, really as an after thought. and it worked. So, that's sort of interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did
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I buy my silver electrodes from the wishgranted.com website. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : that looks pretty cool - one final question - what do you use as the silver source? From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I also have a one gallon batch distiller for making my own distilled water. It's purer than store bought, and it doesn't taste like a plastic jug. A pic of my setup: http://i.imgur.com/IL3FjbP.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : I use a Colloid Master from http://www.wishgranted.com/ http://www.wishgranted.com/ It's meant to be used with a one quart mason jar, but I use mine with a one gallon suntea jar. I also added a stirring mechanism. They claim that by reversing the polarity once a minute, stirring isn't necessary, but the unit makes better quality CS with stirring (crystal clear instead of pale yellow, which is an indication of smaller particles.) What happens is that concentrations of silver ions can build up between the electrodes, allowing localized areas of higher than optimal current; gentle stirring keeps the current level consistent. The only other units I would consider are these: http://silverpuppy.com/ http://silverpuppy.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ Sorry about the unclickable links, but the only way I've found to get Neo to give me paragraph breaks is to switch to plain text, which doesn't render the links clickable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Which generator do you use?
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Thanks for background, Alex. Sounds like a pretty thorough breakdown of the whole process. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3
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In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract
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I guess this is Sal showing how invested he is in his version of CS, that any positive outcome must be chalked up to the placebo effect. Sort of shows a different side I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your money and you takes your chance
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On 8/25/2014 2:05 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hell fire I'm gone drink a whole bunch, turn blue as hell and go live in India - they'll go ape over me thinking I am Krishna returned and I'll live like a king! Prejudice: a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. The word is often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable, judgments toward people or a person because of gender, political opinion, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality or other personal characteristics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 2:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: * A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. * A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. * Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. * A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. * Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. * Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. * A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. * A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. * A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 image http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html image http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your money and you takes your chance
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My daughter is a senior in high school. I told her if she has a case of senioritis, she can take some colloidal silver. Do you think I went overboard? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet
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Ah, they've got everything - thanks! From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I buy my silver electrodes from the wishgranted.com website. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : that looks pretty cool - one final question - what do you use as the silver source? From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I also have a one gallon batch distiller for making my own distilled water. It's purer than store bought, and it doesn't taste like a plastic jug. A pic of my setup: http://i.imgur.com/IL3FjbP.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : I use a Colloid Master from http://www.wishgranted.com/ http://www.wishgranted.com/ It's meant to be used with a one quart mason jar, but I use mine with a one gallon suntea jar. I also added a stirring mechanism. They claim that by reversing the polarity once a minute, stirring isn't necessary, but the unit makes better quality CS with stirring (crystal clear instead of pale yellow, which is an indication of smaller particles.) What happens is that concentrations of silver ions can build up between the electrodes, allowing localized areas of higher than optimal current; gentle stirring keeps the current level consistent. The only other units I would consider are these: http://silverpuppy.com/ http://silverpuppy.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ http://www.silvergen.com/ Sorry about the unclickable links, but the only way I've found to get Neo to give me paragraph breaks is to switch to plain text, which doesn't render the links clickable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Which generator do you use?
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On 8/25/2014 6:45 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I'll be curious. He seems to be following a familiar pattern we see here. I am convinced of something, so I will just ignore anything that goes against what I believe. You know, the main thing he accuses others of doing. /Confirmation bias/ refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Excellent point, Steve. Where are Ann's stars when we need them? And should we wait to see if salyavin answers you? On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:23 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dude, I can't explain it any better than I did. I put on a couple dabs a couple times a day, and didn't really think about it. I just happened to notice that it cured this skin condition. If you feel better calling it an outcome of a placebo, I am okay with that. As best I can determine, there was some active ingredient that worked. But just one follow up question. The medicine the doctors gave me. I put that medicine with an actual expectation that it would cure the dry skin patch, but it didn't. I put the colloidal, really as an after thought. and it worked. So, that's sort of interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef
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People love to play the Occums Razor card when it suits them, and dismiss it when it doesn't. And I had no idea that the placebo effect could morph into almost any possibility, and explain almost any outcome. Maybe anything other than surgery, is placebo? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/25/2014 6:45 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I'll be curious. He seems to be following a familiar pattern we see here. I am convinced of something, so I will just ignore anything that goes against what I believe. You know, the main thing he accuses others of doing. Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Excellent point, Steve. Where are Ann's stars when we need them? And should we wait to see if salyavin answers you? On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:23 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dude, I can't explain it any better than I did. I put on a couple dabs a couple times a day, and didn't really think about it. I just happened to notice that it cured this skin condition. If you feel better calling it an outcome of a placebo, I am okay with that. As best I can determine, there was some active ingredient that worked. But just one follow up question. The medicine the doctors gave me. I put that medicine with an actual expectation that it would cure the dry skin patch, but it didn't. I put the colloidal, really as an after thought. and it worked. So, that's sort of interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. If you misunderstand everything I say to this sort of extent I can only assume that you aren't paying attention to my posts or not following the links. The fact that something is a placebo DOES NOT mean that it doesn't work, just that the active ingredient isn't the one you think it is. I suffer with asthma, I was at my doctors once getting a check up and I noticed that he'd left a cupboard open, inside were asthma inhalers with the words Placebo inhaler on the box. I remarked that maybe I shouldn't be seeing those and he just shrugged and said it doesn't matter as they'll still work. But if you can manage the challenge do look at the colloidal silver wiki page as there is something about adverse effects that you may want to know - maybe Share will find the information that her intuitive cures may not be as safe as she supposes quite interesting ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. Oh well, all I know is that it works on my husband's split fingers in the winter like nothing else can. It works great on skin issues with my horses, it cleared up your two decade old psoriasis and Alex has found it apparently useful enough to have concocted a home brew that he swears by. I guess Sal is just someone who requires regimented documentation before he'll dip his toe into some metaphorical medicinal pool. Only scientifically-verified documentation and rigorous testing for him. I personally wish I had more faith in the scientific method as well as allopathic medicine. It would be so much easier to believe wholeheartedly as long as it has the scientist certified seal of approval. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term Colloidal Silver risks claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing dietary supplement prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a
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coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely involve placebo's and the white coat effect for their efficacy, such as it is. What some folks call Quackery may also just be Folk Medicine and has a record of never harming anyone compared to many pharmaceuticals. I always love the one ad which is one minute long and 15 seconds for the actual endorsement by a sports figure and then 40 seconds of warnings and disclaimers. Only a fool would want to take that shit. And it also for an ailment that is curable by correcting the metabolic imbalance. And then there is the problem of proper doctors misdiagnosing. It happens far too often. I think Salvy's just a science fan and not a scientist.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely involve placebo's and the white coat effect for their efficacy, such as it is. What some folks call Quackery may also just be Folk Medicine and has a record of never harming anyone compared to many pharmaceuticals. I always love the one ad which is one minute long and 15 seconds for the actual endorsement by a sports figure and then 40 seconds of warnings and disclaimers. Only a fool would want to take that shit. And it also for an ailment that is curable by correcting the metabolic imbalance. And then there is the problem of proper doctors misdiagnosing. It happens far too often. I think Salvy's just a science fan and not a scientist.
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What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely involve placebo's and the white coat effect for their efficacy, such as it is. What some folks call Quackery may also just be Folk Medicine and has a record of never harming anyone compared to many pharmaceuticals. I always love the one ad which is one minute long and 15 seconds for the actual endorsement by a sports figure and then 40 seconds of warnings and disclaimers. Only a fool would want to take that shit. And it also for an ailment that is curable by correcting the metabolic imbalance. And then there is the problem of proper doctors misdiagnosing. It happens far too often. I think Salvy's just a science fan and not a scientist.
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Steve,Man I feel you! I spent months with dermatologists for a skin condition that popped up (or, popped out). First guy was Park/57 Street. Waiting room filled with models and Soap Opera Actors (is 'actor' the correct word here?), and me. He's got a wall full of Hirshfield's (original, and I figuring out how to lift just one). This guy gets it all wrong. On to the Cosmetic Beauty Dermatologist in the Townhouse. Nice digs. Even her own line of cream-shit. She ends up as full-of-shit as her predecessor. To make a long-story-short, it my beloved who figures it. She know me (well, not Everything). The End
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. Does anyone actually do that? First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. But when I have experiences that I feel defy explanation it makes me even more determined to find the explanation. At first I accepted the Hindoo dogma about transcendence but now I'm not so sure, it fits in with too many similar types of altered states. I do think that meditation research will play a part in the great unravelling of how the mind works because it involves changing perceptions and from that we will see what part of the brain does what element of subjective experience. Science is the search for explanations. And there can be good or bad ones, the bad ones tend to raise more questions than they answer, it all depends what type of explanation you are content to live with. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: If you don't feel the wonder of the universe you would make a rather poor scientist because you would have no inspiration but it's. I find it interesting that the meme of the scientist as dull and incurious still lives on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely
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consider the silver, and not the hi-ho type. the colloidal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve,Man I feel you! I spent months with dermatologists for a skin condition that popped up (or, popped out). First guy was Park/57 Street. Waiting room filled with models and Soap Opera Actors (is 'actor' the correct word here?), and me. He's got a wall full of Hirshfield's (original, and I figuring out how to lift just one). This guy gets it all wrong. On to the Cosmetic Beauty Dermatologist in the Townhouse. Nice digs. Even her own line of cream-shit. She ends up as full-of-shit as her predecessor. To make a long-story-short, it my beloved who figures it. She know me (well, not Everything). The End
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I just keep tellin' folks here that much of this is just basic chemistry. Substances have their effects. It's allopathic medicine that thinks things work by magic. :-D On 08/24/2014 09:17 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely involve placebo's and the white coat effect for their efficacy, such as it is. What some folks call Quackery may also just be Folk Medicine and has a record of never harming anyone compared to many pharmaceuticals. I always love the one ad which is one minute long and 15
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I'll drink to that! Better living thru chemistry (and plants, and rocks, and women, and)---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I just keep tellin' folks here that much of this is just basic chemistry. Substances have their effects. It's allopathic medicine that thinks things work by magic. :-D On 08/24/2014 09:17 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely involve placebo's and the white coat effect for their efficacy, such as it is. What some folks call Quackery may also just be Folk Medicine and has a record of never harming anyone compared to many pharmaceuticals. I always love the one ad which is one minute long and 15 seconds for the actual endorsement by a sports figure and then 40 seconds of warnings and disclaimers. Only a fool would want to take
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Its interesting that the regular medical community has out forth a fair amount of effort to discredit the efficacy of colloidal silver, going so far as to claim there is NO anti-baterial, anti-viral or anti-fungal action in silver at all. Interesting given the fact that a number of allopathic medical devices and substances still contain silver. Just a few here: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ A Pharmacological and Toxicological Profile of Silver as... Abstract Silver is used widely in wound dressings and medical devices as a broad-spectrum antibiotic. View on www.hindawi.com Preview by Yahoo http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials Protecting Devices with Silver-Based Antimicrobials | MD... The current economic climate has forced hospitals to scrutinize their spending in an effort to reduce costs and increase revenue. As a result, many hospitals are fo... View on www.mddionline.com Preview by Yahoo http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Infection Control Products Driving the Use of Silver Silver usage has grown exponentially in medicine and health-related products, notes The Silver Institute, which has been tracking its increased usage. View on www.infectioncontroltoday.com Preview by Yahoo From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy consider the silver, and not the hi-ho type. the colloidal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve,Man I feel you! I spent months with dermatologists for a skin condition that popped up (or, popped out). First guy was Park/57 Street. Waiting room filled with models and Soap Opera Actors (is 'actor' the correct word here?), and me. He's got a wall full of Hirshfield's (original, and I figuring out how to lift just one). This guy gets it all wrong. On to the Cosmetic Beauty Dermatologist in the Townhouse. Nice digs. Even her own line of cream-shit. She ends up as full-of-shit as her predecessor. To make a long-story-short, it my beloved who figures it. She know me (well, not Everything). The End
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The mystical experiences that I have had, that fall into the more practical realm have to do with the power of attention, or maybe that would be the same thing as thought waves. And again, I can't prove anything about them, nor do I care to. Specifically, one instance had to do when my car was stolen. It wasn't the first time a car of mine was stolen, but in this case, I really needed/wanted to get it back, and I was able to hold on to this thought, that I want the car back, sort of demanding, really. But still, I have learned, that if you have a desire like that, you must not hold on too tightly to it. You need to just let it reside below the surface, and have a slight, but steady intention. Maybe this is analogous to sunyaman. No idea. That never entered in to it. But I was not surprised when the phone rang, and it was the police, telling me to come and get my car. Again, I have had other events like this, but this one stood out for me. Again, it was just a subjective thing, that can't be proven. Thanks for your other comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. Does anyone actually do that? First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. But when I have experiences that I feel defy explanation it makes me even more determined to find the explanation. At first I accepted the Hindoo dogma about transcendence but now I'm not so sure, it fits in with too many similar types of altered states. I do think that meditation research will play a part in the great unravelling of how the mind works because it involves changing perceptions and from that we will see what part of the brain does what element of subjective experience. Science is the search for explanations. And there can be good or bad ones, the bad ones tend to raise more questions than they answer, it all depends what type of explanation you are content to live with. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: If you don't feel the wonder of the universe you would make a rather poor scientist because you would have no inspiration but it's. I find it interesting that the meme of the scientist as dull and incurious still lives on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional
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Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its interesting that the regular medical community has out forth a fair amount of effort to discredit the efficacy of colloidal silver, going so far as to claim there is NO anti-baterial, anti-viral or anti-fungal action in silver at all. Interesting given the fact that a number of allopathic medical devices and substances still contain silver. Just a few here: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ A Pharmacological and Toxicological Profile of Silver as... http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ Abstract Silver is used widely in wound dressings and medical devices as a broad-spectrum antibiotic. View on www.hindawi.com http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ Preview by Yahoo http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials Protecting Devices with Silver-Based Antimicrobials | MD... http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials The current economic climate has forced hospitals to scrutinize their spending in an effort to reduce costs and increase revenue. As a result, many hospitals are fo... View on www.mddionline.com http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials Preview by Yahoo http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Infection Control Products Driving the Use of Silver http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Silver usage has grown exponentially in medicine and health-related products, notes The Silver Institute, which has been tracking its increased usage. View on www.infectioncontroltoday.com http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Preview by Yahoo From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy consider the silver, and not the hi-ho type. the colloidal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve,Man I feel you! I spent months with dermatologists for a skin condition that popped up (or, popped out). First guy was Park/57 Street. Waiting room filled with models and Soap Opera Actors (is 'actor' the correct word here?), and me. He's got a wall full of Hirshfield's (original, and I figuring out how to lift just one). This guy gets it all wrong. On to the Cosmetic Beauty Dermatologist in the Townhouse. Nice digs. Even her own line of cream-shit. She ends up as full-of-shit as her predecessor. To make a long-story-short, it my beloved who figures it. She know me (well, not Everything). The End
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I'm in the 100oz bars. They're near the swimming pool.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its interesting that the regular medical community has out forth a fair amount of effort to discredit the efficacy of colloidal silver, going so far as to claim there is NO anti-baterial, anti-viral or anti-fungal action in silver at all. Interesting given the fact that a number of allopathic medical devices and substances still contain silver. Just a few here: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ A Pharmacological and Toxicological Profile of Silver as... http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ Abstract Silver is used widely in wound dressings and medical devices as a broad-spectrum antibiotic. View on www.hindawi.com http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ Preview by Yahoo http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials Protecting Devices with Silver-Based Antimicrobials | MD... http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials The current economic climate has forced hospitals to scrutinize their spending in an effort to reduce costs and increase revenue. As a result, many hospitals are fo... View on www.mddionline.com http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials Preview by Yahoo http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Infection Control Products Driving the Use of Silver http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Silver usage has grown exponentially in medicine and health-related products, notes The Silver Institute, which has been tracking its increased usage. View on www.infectioncontroltoday.com http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Preview by Yahoo From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy consider the silver, and not the hi-ho type. the colloidal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve,Man I feel you! I spent months with dermatologists for a skin condition that popped up (or, popped out). First guy was Park/57 Street. Waiting room filled with models and Soap Opera Actors (is 'actor' the correct word here?), and me. He's got a wall full of Hirshfield's (original, and I figuring out how to lift just one). This guy gets it all wrong. On to the Cosmetic Beauty Dermatologist in the Townhouse. Nice digs. Even her own line of cream-shit. She ends up as full-of-shit as her predecessor. To make a long-story-short, it my beloved who figures it. She know me (well, not Everything). The End
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Wow, man!Stevie, I have had 6 cars stolen. Can you intend' them back? Please. Especially the new red one. A real chick-magnet (and thief magnet, I came to find out). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The mystical experiences that I have had, that fall into the more practical realm have to do with the power of attention, or maybe that would be the same thing as thought waves. And again, I can't prove anything about them, nor do I care to. Specifically, one instance had to do when my car was stolen. It wasn't the first time a car of mine was stolen, but in this case, I really needed/wanted to get it back, and I was able to hold on to this thought, that I want the car back, sort of demanding, really. But still, I have learned, that if you have a desire like that, you must not hold on too tightly to it. You need to just let it reside below the surface, and have a slight, but steady intention. Maybe this is analogous to sunyaman. No idea. That never entered in to it. But I was not surprised when the phone rang, and it was the police, telling me to come and get my car. Again, I have had other events like this, but this one stood out for me. Again, it was just a subjective thing, that can't be proven. Thanks for your other comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. Does anyone actually do that? First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. But when I have experiences that I feel defy explanation it makes me even more determined to find the explanation. At first I accepted the Hindoo dogma about transcendence but now I'm not so sure, it fits in with too many similar types of altered states. I do think that meditation research will play a part in the great unravelling of how the mind works because it involves changing perceptions and from that we will see what part of the brain does what element of subjective experience. Science is the search for explanations. And there can be good or bad ones, the bad ones tend to raise more questions than they answer, it all depends what type of explanation you are content to live with. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: If you don't feel the wonder of the universe you would make a rather poor scientist because you would have no inspiration but it's. I find it interesting that the meme of the scientist as dull and incurious still lives on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: Nice. I know what you mean. Science is far too conservative and, of course, is ultimately limited by the limitations of scientists! So, what makes a scientist less fallible than someone field testing a thing and finding it has an effect? I'll tell you what - controlled environment and the ability to repeat the result over and over again. That is science's claim to fame but, as you say, one minute we're told to take Thalidomide and the next minute we're producing babies missing limbs. The next moment we are told to drink alcohol as it's good for our cholesterol and the next minute that has all changed. Science is overrated - it seems to miss so much of what can't be counted and quantified - yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested. This is what I've been saying all day, there may be great wonders still to be discovered but until it's as well tested as possible we will not know and end up with the sort of alternative therapies we have which largely involve placebo's and the white coat effect for their efficacy, such as it is. What some folks call Quackery may also just be Folk Medicine and has a record of never harming anyone compared to many pharmaceuticals. I always love
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My Dad was finally cured of vibrio vulnificus, a killer river bacteria, when the docs put a silver patch on his leg. This was well after he had been on antibiotics in the hospital for 3 days! On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Its interesting that the regular medical community has out forth a fair amount of effort to discredit the efficacy of colloidal silver, going so far as to claim there is NO anti-baterial, anti-viral or anti-fungal action in silver at all. Interesting given the fact that a number of allopathic medical devices and substances still contain silver. Just a few here: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2010/910686/ A Pharmacological and Toxicological Profile of Silver as... Abstract Silver is used widely in wound dressings and medical devices as a broad-spectrum antibiotic. View on www.hindawi.com Preview by Yahoo http://www.mddionline.com/article/protecting-devices-silver-based-antimicrobials Protecting Devices with Silver-Based Antimicrobials | MD... The current economic climate has forced hospitals to scrutinize their spending in an effort to reduce costs and increase revenue. As a result, many hospitals are fo... View on www.mddionline.com Preview by Yahoo http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/news/2011/07/infection-control-products-driving-the-use-of-silver.aspx Infection Control Products Driving the Use of Silver Silver usage has grown exponentially in medicine and health-related products, notes The Silver Institute, which has been tracking its increased usage. View on www.infectioncontroltoday.com Preview by Yahoo From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy consider the silver, and not the hi-ho type. the colloidal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve,Man I feel you! I spent months with dermatologists for a skin condition that popped up (or, popped out). First guy was Park/57 Street. Waiting room filled with models and Soap Opera Actors (is 'actor' the correct word here?), and me. He's got a wall full of Hirshfield's (original, and I figuring out how to lift just one). This guy gets it all wrong. On to the Cosmetic Beauty Dermatologist in the Townhouse. Nice digs. Even her own line of cream-shit. She ends up as full-of-shit as her predecessor. To make a long-story-short, it my beloved who figures it. She know me (well, not Everything). The End
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Just depends my man. Probably not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Wow, man!Stevie, I have had 6 cars stolen. Can you intend' them back? Please. Especially the new red one. A real chick-magnet (and thief magnet, I came to find out). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The mystical experiences that I have had, that fall into the more practical realm have to do with the power of attention, or maybe that would be the same thing as thought waves. And again, I can't prove anything about them, nor do I care to. Specifically, one instance had to do when my car was stolen. It wasn't the first time a car of mine was stolen, but in this case, I really needed/wanted to get it back, and I was able to hold on to this thought, that I want the car back, sort of demanding, really. But still, I have learned, that if you have a desire like that, you must not hold on too tightly to it. You need to just let it reside below the surface, and have a slight, but steady intention. Maybe this is analogous to sunyaman. No idea. That never entered in to it. But I was not surprised when the phone rang, and it was the police, telling me to come and get my car. Again, I have had other events like this, but this one stood out for me. Again, it was just a subjective thing, that can't be proven. Thanks for your other comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. Does anyone actually do that? First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. But when I have experiences that I feel defy explanation it makes me even more determined to find the explanation. At first I accepted the Hindoo dogma about transcendence but now I'm not so sure, it fits in with too many similar types of altered states. I do think that meditation research will play a part in the great unravelling of how the mind works because it involves changing perceptions and from that we will see what part of the brain does what element of subjective experience. Science is the search for explanations. And there can be good or bad ones, the bad ones tend to raise more questions than they answer, it all depends what type of explanation you are content to live with. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: If you don't feel the wonder of the universe you would make a rather poor scientist because you would have no inspiration but it's. I find it interesting that the meme of the scientist as dull and incurious still lives on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with
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Dearest Ann,Would you grant me Legal Permissions to use this photograph on my upcoming publication? I am writing a case study of a Facinating Delusional (how's my spelling, I get so confused between all the languages that I publish in?). Also how's my Message History handling. If there is something that you want in return for granting these Rights, don't hesitate to ask. Dr Dr MD Friedman Belieze ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: Nice. I know what you mean. Science is far too conservative and, of course, is ultimately limited by the limitations of scientists! So, what makes a scientist less fallible than someone field testing a thing and finding it has an effect? I'll tell you what - controlled environment and the ability to repeat the result over and over again. That is science's claim to fame but, as you say, one minute we're told to take Thalidomide and the next minute we're producing babies missing limbs. The next moment we are told to drink alcohol as it's good for our cholesterol and the next minute that has all changed. Science is overrated - it seems to miss so much of what can't be counted and quantified - yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they can take their chances on it working for them. Too bad Sal only considers those things that have been confined to a laboratory somewhere and scrutinized by people in white lab coats for years valid or trustworthy. That feels so limited and limiting. During that twenty year period to treat the psoriasis, I visited doctors who prescribed ointments that virtually did no good. One the other hand, if I had a serious ailment, I would straight away go for an allopathic treatment. I have seen (or heard) of too many people with serious ailments get side tracked on useless approaches, only to die in short order. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, imo the concepts thoroughly tested and safe and objective science are additional ways in which we kid ourselves. On Friday, August 22, 2014 1:56 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 09:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/22/2014 12:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. No, I use the information gleaned from taking workshops in alternative medicine. I used alternative medicine since 1972. You do know you are arguing against people who have actually taken courses in it? = Wow, courses. And how many courses have you taken? = It's not about courses it's about whether what they teach has been thoroughly tested.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Preview by Yahoo
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Detective Steve, here are some Clues:One car was stolen and used by a car-theft ring who drove it into a Manhattan garage, pistol-whipped the attendent, and drove off with Mercedes, beemers and good-stuff. They left my car behind. My Lovely Red Car was New and stolen on Valentine's Day...must have made a great present to a Very Appreciative Lady (VAL). Each has it's own MO, but I will give further details only if you agree to take the case. Over Out NYC taxi rider ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just depends my man. Probably not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Wow, man!Stevie, I have had 6 cars stolen. Can you intend' them back? Please. Especially the new red one. A real chick-magnet (and thief magnet, I came to find out). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The mystical experiences that I have had, that fall into the more practical realm have to do with the power of attention, or maybe that would be the same thing as thought waves. And again, I can't prove anything about them, nor do I care to. Specifically, one instance had to do when my car was stolen. It wasn't the first time a car of mine was stolen, but in this case, I really needed/wanted to get it back, and I was able to hold on to this thought, that I want the car back, sort of demanding, really. But still, I have learned, that if you have a desire like that, you must not hold on too tightly to it. You need to just let it reside below the surface, and have a slight, but steady intention. Maybe this is analogous to sunyaman. No idea. That never entered in to it. But I was not surprised when the phone rang, and it was the police, telling me to come and get my car. Again, I have had other events like this, but this one stood out for me. Again, it was just a subjective thing, that can't be proven. Thanks for your other comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. Does anyone actually do that? First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. But when I have experiences that I feel defy explanation it makes me even more determined to find the explanation. At first I accepted the Hindoo dogma about transcendence but now I'm not so sure, it fits in with too many similar types of altered states. I do think that meditation research will play a part in the great unravelling of how the mind works because it involves changing perceptions and from that we will see what part of the brain does what element of subjective experience. Science is the search for explanations. And there can be good or bad ones, the bad ones tend to raise more questions than they answer, it all depends what type of explanation you are content to live with. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: If you don't feel the wonder of the universe you would make a rather poor scientist because you would have no inspiration but it's. I find it interesting that the meme of the scientist as dull and incurious still lives on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I have not rigorously scientifically tested the product on hundreds of psoriasis cases it appears it worked for you so I can tell them that and they
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I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Preview by Yahoo
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Thanks for your offer. Fortunately this case had a good resolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Detective Steve, here are some Clues:One car was stolen and used by a car-theft ring who drove it into a Manhattan garage, pistol-whipped the attendent, and drove off with Mercedes, beemers and good-stuff. They left my car behind. My Lovely Red Car was New and stolen on Valentine's Day...must have made a great present to a Very Appreciative Lady (VAL). Each has it's own MO, but I will give further details only if you agree to take the case. Over Out NYC taxi rider ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just depends my man. Probably not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Wow, man!Stevie, I have had 6 cars stolen. Can you intend' them back? Please. Especially the new red one. A real chick-magnet (and thief magnet, I came to find out). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The mystical experiences that I have had, that fall into the more practical realm have to do with the power of attention, or maybe that would be the same thing as thought waves. And again, I can't prove anything about them, nor do I care to. Specifically, one instance had to do when my car was stolen. It wasn't the first time a car of mine was stolen, but in this case, I really needed/wanted to get it back, and I was able to hold on to this thought, that I want the car back, sort of demanding, really. But still, I have learned, that if you have a desire like that, you must not hold on too tightly to it. You need to just let it reside below the surface, and have a slight, but steady intention. Maybe this is analogous to sunyaman. No idea. That never entered in to it. But I was not surprised when the phone rang, and it was the police, telling me to come and get my car. Again, I have had other events like this, but this one stood out for me. Again, it was just a subjective thing, that can't be proven. Thanks for your other comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find, nothing short of remarkable, is that twice, as I said, I visited dermatologists. In both cases they gave me some topical ointment as samples. These were tiny samples, and I would keep them going as along as I could. I don't know why I never got a prescription, but the colloidal silver worked nothing short of a miracle. Really, I still don't believe it. On a philosophical basis, I don't think I could ever limit myself to just what science has discovered so far. Does anyone actually do that? First, we know, that changes on a daily basis. But I have too many experiences that I would classify as mystical to feel the need to benchmark them against whatever science has been able to explain. But when I have experiences that I feel defy explanation it makes me even more determined to find the explanation. At first I accepted the Hindoo dogma about transcendence but now I'm not so sure, it fits in with too many similar types of altered states. I do think that meditation research will play a part in the great unravelling of how the mind works because it involves changing perceptions and from that we will see what part of the brain does what element of subjective experience. Science is the search for explanations. And there can be good or bad ones, the bad ones tend to raise more questions than they answer, it all depends what type of explanation you are content to live with. And one of the funny things is, that these experiences have had many practical benefits. Not just the gazing out at the ocean type thing, feeling the wonder of the universe type thing. (-: If you don't feel the wonder of the universe you would make a rather poor scientist because you would have no inspiration but it's. I find it interesting that the meme of the scientist as dull and incurious still lives on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : coming in late on this, as I mentioned before, I had a patch of psoriasis just below my knee for twenty plus years. Ann sent me some colloidal silver and the first thing it did was dry that patch up. I then continued to apply it, although less often, and it has completely taken the patch away. My knee shows no sign of it, and I've stopped applying the ointment. In fact the little one or two oz. container Ann sent me is probably more than half full. And of course, my athletes foot had a little flair up, and after a couple applications, that has gone as well. That is so great Steve. I will add this to the testimonials when I sell this to my customers. But Sal will accuse me of selling snake oil. Still, although I
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Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo
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What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
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A little story, back in the 1970s I got a fungal thing. I went to Dr. Bastyr (yup the ND who founded the college along with Dr. Carroll) for it and he had me use vitamin C and E on it. Didn't do a damn thing. My brother-in-law (not a doctor) suggested Tinactin. I put it on and a day later the problem was gone. Fast forward to a couple year's back when I'm listening to Dr. Glidden, an ND who has a radio show and graduated from Bastyr University, when he gets a call for the same thing. Glidden tells the caller to go to the drug store and get a bottle of Tinactin. He finishes off by saying, not all allopathic medicines are bad. ;-) On 08/24/2014 02:16 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: *Colloidal silver* (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.^[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9 ^[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Preview by Yahoo
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In the Reverso World of FFL Internet crapola trumps personal verifiable experience EVERYTIME. That's the whole fkn premise of this Group. Nothing matters here, because no one uses their real name, or their own words, or their primary personality. Some, in fact, have lost their personality.And a personality is a terrible thing to waste. Your pal, Mr Mark Daniel Friedman NYC, USA ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10 Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View
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Vick's Vapo Rub for toe fungus. Works like a charm.Charm's work too. Wanna buy one? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : A little story, back in the 1970s I got a fungal thing. I went to Dr. Bastyr (yup the ND who founded the college along with Dr. Carroll) for it and he had me use vitamin C and E on it. Didn't do a damn thing. My brother-in-law (not a doctor) suggested Tinactin. I put it on and a day later the problem was gone. Fast forward to a couple year's back when I'm listening to Dr. Glidden, an ND who has a radio show and graduated from Bastyr University, when he gets a call for the same thing. Glidden tells the caller to go to the drug store and get a bottle of Tinactin. He finishes off by saying, not all allopathic medicines are bad. ;-) On 08/24/2014 02:16 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid; title=Colloid style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px; consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9; style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);white-space:nowrap;background:none;[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10; style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);white-space:nowrap;background:none; Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria; title=Argyria style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px; and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
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I don't doubt it. I am not opposed to allopathic remedies. Especially when you are talking about trying to keep kids healthy. I am a regular user of aspirin, and an occasional user of ibuprofen. This is usually allergy season for me, but I've not been bothered this year, otherwise, I'd likely be getting something for that at some point. . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : A little story, back in the 1970s I got a fungal thing. I went to Dr. Bastyr (yup the ND who founded the college along with Dr. Carroll) for it and he had me use vitamin C and E on it. Didn't do a damn thing. My brother-in-law (not a doctor) suggested Tinactin. I put it on and a day later the problem was gone. Fast forward to a couple year's back when I'm listening to Dr. Glidden, an ND who has a radio show and graduated from Bastyr University, when he gets a call for the same thing. Glidden tells the caller to go to the drug store and get a bottle of Tinactin. He finishes off by saying, not all allopathic medicines are bad. ;-) On 08/24/2014 02:16 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9; style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);white-space:nowrap;background:none;[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10; style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);white-space:nowrap;background:none; Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.org
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On 08/24/2014 03:09 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I don't doubt it. I am not opposed to allopathic remedies. Especially when you are talking about trying to keep kids healthy. I am a regular user of aspirin, and an occasional user of ibuprofen. As you may know, aspirin was based on willow bark which contains the active ingredient: acetylsalicylic acid. There are a lot of pharmaceuticals that are based on the active ingredient of herbal cures and the result is not always better than the original herbal compound. This is usually allergy season for me, but I've not been bothered this year, otherwise, I'd likely be getting something for that at some point. . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : A little story, back in the 1970s I got a fungal thing. I went to Dr. Bastyr (yup the ND who founded the college along with Dr. Carroll) for it and he had me use vitamin C and E on it. Didn't do a damn thing. My brother-in-law (not a doctor) suggested Tinactin. I put it on and a day later the problem was gone. Fast forward to a couple year's back when I'm listening to Dr. Glidden, an ND who has a radio show and graduated from Bastyr University, when he gets a call for the same thing. Glidden tells the caller to go to the drug store and get a bottle of Tinactin. He finishes off by saying, not all allopathic medicines are bad. ;-)
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I use my real name and I didn't get my medical degree from Dr. Bronner From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy In the Reverso World of FFL Internet crapola trumps personal verifiable experience EVERYTIME. That's the whole fkn premise of this Group. Nothing matters here, because no one uses their real name, or their own words, or their primary personality. Some, in fact, have lost their personality.And a personality is a terrible thing to waste. Your pal, Mr Mark Daniel Friedman NYC, USA ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Medical uses of silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The medical uses of silver include its incorporation into wound dressings, creams, and as an antibiotic coating on medical devices. While wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine or silver nanomaterials may be used on external infections,[1][2][3] there is ... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo
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Dear Michael Jackson,I just loved your killer Album. Also, since I have 10 years study at the University (most recently, Columbia University here in NYC, I'm wondering if you attended as well. I did note how incredibly insightful you seem; always responding to your own thoughts that no one else can understand. Keep it up, my bright boy! Loving all soap products from Dr Bronner, Clean and neat Dan P.S. And where, may I inquire has all of your Outhouse (my bad...I should have said outSTANDING education been from? Baked goods, I expect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I use my real name and I didn't get my medical degree from Dr. Bronner From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy In the Reverso World of FFL Internet crapola trumps personal verifiable experience EVERYTIME. That's the whole fkn premise of this Group. Nothing matters here, because no one uses their real name, or their own words, or their primary personality. Some, in fact, have lost their personality.And a personality is a terrible thing to waste. Your pal, Mr Mark Daniel Friedman NYC, USA ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-Fung1996-9[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#cite_note-mskcc-10; style=color:rgb(11, 0, 128);white-space:nowrap;background:none; Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal
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does that 10 years include the Mexican medical school you got your certificate of completion from? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Dear Michael Jackson,I just loved your killer Album. Also, since I have 10 years study at the University (most recently, Columbia University here in NYC, I'm wondering if you attended as well. I did note how incredibly insightful you seem; always responding to your own thoughts that no one else can understand. Keep it up, my bright boy! Loving all soap products from Dr Bronner, Clean and neat Dan P.S. And where, may I inquire has all of your Outhouse (my bad...I should have said outSTANDING education been from? Baked goods, I expect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I use my real name and I didn't get my medical degree from Dr. Bronner From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy In the Reverso World of FFL Internet crapola trumps personal verifiable experience EVERYTIME. That's the whole fkn premise of this Group. Nothing matters here, because no one uses their real name, or their own words, or their primary personality. Some, in fact, have lost their personality.And a personality is a terrible thing to waste. Your pal, Mr Mark Daniel Friedman NYC, USA ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.orgPreview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible, but the gradual improvement, and eventual elimination of the psoriasis, did coincide exactly with the application of the colloidal silver. (-: It's a placebo: Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive cure-all claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any
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Mike - no it doesn'tAll - Whose turn is it to Occupy Mike. I have occupied him for what seems like a week now. I know it is someonelse's turn to disract Michael so some other discourse can proceed. I did my bit and more. I think I went beyond the call of duty here. I know it is part of the hazing ritual, but I think I have had enough of Mike... ...for a lifetime... because... he's so fkn annoying. Goodnight All. I wish the next up has an easier time than I did with Mike. Maybe he'll find some interest to occupy him... ...baking? I wonder ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : does that 10 years include the Mexican medical school you got your certificate of completion from? From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Dear Michael Jackson,I just loved your killer Album. Also, since I have 10 years study at the University (most recently, Columbia University here in NYC, I'm wondering if you attended as well. I did note how incredibly insightful you seem; always responding to your own thoughts that no one else can understand. Keep it up, my bright boy! Loving all soap products from Dr Bronner, Clean and neat Dan P.S. And where, may I inquire has all of your Outhouse (my bad...I should have said outSTANDING education been from? Baked goods, I expect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I use my real name and I didn't get my medical degree from Dr. Bronner From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy In the Reverso World of FFL Internet crapola trumps personal verifiable experience EVERYTIME. That's the whole fkn premise of this Group. Nothing matters here, because no one uses their real name, or their own words, or their primary personality. Some, in fact, have lost their personality.And a personality is a terrible thing to waste. Your pal, Mr Mark Daniel Friedman NYC, USA ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : What I find strange is that Salyavin seems intent on completely discounting my experience with it, chalking it up to a placebo effect, because of things he's come up with on the internet. It doesn't bother me. It just seems a symptom of a closed mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Much as I love Sal's posts this is one I don't agree on - I use colloidal silver from time to time and placebo or not, it is good stuff. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy I get the feeling that you are not joking. That for whatever reason, you are chalking this up to a placebo effect? I mean, I've had this condition for twenty years. I had really gotten used to it. I mentioned it in passing on FFL. Ann offered to send me this 1 oz. container of colloidal silver . It arrived, I started putting it on, and one day later the dead skin starts flaking off. I continue to apply a small dab twice a day, and the dry skin stays away, but the area remains red. I start to get lazy, thinking that I don't really mind the red area, just happy that the dry skin hasn't come back, but still putting the ointment on, whenever I would remember, maybe a couple times a week. Then, one day I notice that even the red spot was gone. And according to you, it is a placebo effect? I guess, for whatever reason, this incident, as I've described it, upends some belief system you have. Rather strange I'd say. BTW, I just looked at the little container. It is two thirds full. All this from maybe 1/3 oz. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Think it was the placebo effect that took care of the psoriasis? Damn, that power of attention thing must be better than I thought. The placebo effect has nothing to do with your conscious mind or attention. Bot don't take it from me: Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, I shall please[2] from placeō, I please)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically inef... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo Preview by Yahoo Whatever it was/is, or shall be, the psoriasis is gone. Now, from a scientific pov, I can't say with absolute certainty that it was the colloidal silver that was responsible
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Yes, my brother in law used to make aspirin at one of the two main aspirin plants world wide that was located here. First for Monsanto, then Rhone Poulanc, then for someone else as the plant kept getting sold. The last owner moved the plant to Thailand. The main ingredients were that acetyl salicylic acid, lye, and one other nasty ingredient as I recall. But, I find that it works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/24/2014 03:09 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I don't doubt it. I am not opposed to allopathic remedies. Especially when you are talking about trying to keep kids healthy. I am a regular user of aspirin, and an occasional user of ibuprofen. As you may know, aspirin was based on willow bark which contains the active ingredient: acetylsalicylic acid. There are a lot of pharmaceuticals that are based on the active ingredient of herbal cures and the result is not always better than the original herbal compound. This is usually allergy season for me, but I've not been bothered this year, otherwise, I'd likely be getting something for that at some point. . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : A little story, back in the 1970s I got a fungal thing. I went to Dr. Bastyr (yup the ND who founded the college along with Dr. Carroll) for it and he had me use vitamin C and E on it. Didn't do a damn thing. My brother-in-law (not a doctor) suggested Tinactin. I put it on and a day later the problem was gone. Fast forward to a couple year's back when I'm listening to Dr. Glidden, an ND who has a radio show and graduated from Bastyr University, when he gets a call for the same thing. Glidden tells the caller to go to the drug store and get a bottle of Tinactin. He finishes off by saying, not all allopathic medicines are bad. ;-)
