---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Salyavin,
Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John
Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything,
including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is
On 9/29/2014 4:23 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Excellent observation. I concur.
Or was it immune to the chaos?
/Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it, people would
not be conscious, obviously - there would be no perception. This
is a dirt
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Richard,
Excellent observation. I concur.
On 9/29/2014 4:33 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his
usual response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant,
what
maybe we'll find all of this co existing together...
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:55 AM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
It comes down to this: When we get 'to the bottom of this' what do we find . .
. a brute fact, an inert material
Richard,
These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But
we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists
out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who are hell bent on
destroying civilization as we know it.
The
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Richard,
These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical person. But
we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality, that there are jihadists
out there--they're probably here in the USA at this time-- who
On 9/30/2014 12:23 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
These ideas about non-duality is excellent for the philosophical
person. But we still have to deal with the fact, and the reality,
that there are jihadists out there--they're probably here in the USA
at this time-- who are hell
Dan,
I agree with what you're saying here. But there are some people here who does
not believe in any deity. You probably know already who they are.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Dan,
I agree with what you're saying here. But there are some people here who does
not believe in any deity. You probably know already who they are.
Junior,
I am sensitive to that. I carefully chose my words when posting:
for
Richard,
I appreciate the subtle ideas you are presenting here. But these can lead to
indecision which is discussed in the Bhagavad Gita. As MMY commented, we
should attain TC or samadhi by transcending the gunas. And, we are to ACT
while in yoga with the Self. Then, success of actions
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Richard,
I appreciate the subtle ideas you are presenting here. But these can lead to
indecision which is discussed in the Bhagavad Gita. As MMY commented, we
should attain TC or samadhi by transcending the gunas. And, we are to
could not have happened before, to be. But beyond
that we have no idea.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
IMO, consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space
and time. Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early
universe.
On 9/29/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Ask yourself where consciousness came from.
Richard,
Excellent observation. I concur.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
IMO,consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Richard,
Excellent observation. I concur.
Erm, but he doesn't answer the question, he's just cut and pasting his usual
response every time some mentions the C word. It isn't relevant, what are you
concuring with?
The
Salyavin,
Your last paragraph sums it adequately. In a scientific sense, IMO John
Hagelin's idea of an ocean of superstrings is the basis of everything,
including the multiverse and our universe. It is the unified field and it is
present in the dark energy that's powering the expansion of
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote :
In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical
matter/energy - one has to make the inference there is physical matter/energy -
and this is an inference that can not
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote :
In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical
matter/energy - one has to make the inference there
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
I don't know about you but I feel more like Wonko the Sane as the days go by.
Just a few of us outside the asylum now, with only the mad scratching from the
inmates to distract us from the real world.
This is really worth revisiting, especially for
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote :
In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence
of physical matter/energy -
Both - the knowingness is always there, as you say, instant access to a subtle
level of vibration. Then if more knowledge is desired, the attention just
settles a little on the object, and the object of attention gives up all its
knowledge.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
I don't know about you but I feel more like Wonko the Sane as the days go by.
Just a few of us outside the asylum now, with only the mad scratching from the
inmates to distract us from
Jedi wrote: Robot evolution is happening thousands of times faster than human
evolution.
I reply: The irony of this! Because of course robots are made from earth
materials, minerals and metals from the rocks! So in a strange way, we have
seemingly given rocks the power to think. And at a faster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote :
In order to make the
Fleetwood, thanks for insights...maybe it's that both settle into a level of
Beingness, of course us humans have to work harder at that! On the level of
Beingness, there is a profound unity in which distinction between Knower and
Known fall away.
On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:42 AM,
Adams' cookie story is just the best. I've heard/read it many times, and crack
up every time. It's just the ultimate *British* story, the kind of event no
Brit has ever been equipped to deal with. :-)
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In
On 9/28/2014 3:22 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
**
There is very little on planet Earth more embarrassing than a cult
fanatic who believes that the stuff he was told by his cult leader is
profound Truth.
/What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa
the mental model makes.
From: inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
In order to make
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inmadison@... wrote :
In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical
matter/energy - one has to make the inference there
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
From yesterday - enjoy!
Thanks Mac. It seems the beauty of light and how it reflects off of the myriad
creation around us is everywhere, in BC and where you are too. Could this mean
that we are all lucky enough to
Hi Ann, How are the horses, this fine morning, in BC? Are you getting any rain?
We had a brief shower or two, last night.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
From yesterday - enjoy!
Fleetwood, these are beautiful and especially the sunset closeup. These days
I'm just falling in love with light which has got to be one of the most amazing
phenomenon on our planet. Sunlight in particular is just sublime. And actually
I'm beginning to understand David O-J's experience of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Hi Ann, How are the horses, this fine morning, in BC? Are you getting any
rain? We had a brief shower or two, last night.
We received a cooling and moisturizing much-needed rain two days ago - enough
so that my
There's a great unity model - Light, undifferentiated sunlight, then split into
each of its prismatic parts, creating all the colors. I also like the fact that
the color of any object we see, like an orange ball, is because the object
*absorbs* all the other colors, and only reflects back
I'm not sure anyone here would want to be sane. Sane as defined by the
psychological community these days is the norm. IOW, if you behave
like that average bumpkin then you are sane. Do you want to be an
average bumpkin?
Most of us can recall the days when the psychological community
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
I'm not sure anyone here would want to be sane. Sane as defined by the
psychological community these days is the norm. IOW, if you behave like that
average bumpkin then you are sane. Do you want to be an average bumpkin?
Well
Nce! Thanks!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Hi Ann, How are the horses, this fine morning, in BC? Are you getting any
rain? We had a brief shower or two, last night.
We
Bhairitu, I think Maslow was a true visionary and I feel fortunate to have run
across his ideas when I was younger. Even his idea of self realized person has
an organic and reachable feel to it.
On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:41 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
[FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood, not sure what your last question means. But I'd like to understand,
feels like some nifty principle therein (-:
On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:35 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
There's a great unity model - Light,
, to be. But beyond
that we have no idea.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno,
As mentioned
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Jedi,
I agree that the universe had a beginning and an end.
On 09/28/2014 10:26 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
I'm not sure anyone here would want to be sane. Sane as defined by
the psychological community these days is the norm. IOW, if you
behave like that average bumpkin then you are sane. Do
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 09/28/2014 10:26 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
I'm not sure anyone here would want to be sane. Sane as
On 9/28/2014 11:41 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I'm not sure anyone here would want to be sane. Sane as defined by
the psychological community these days is the norm. IOW, if you
behave like that average bumpkin then you are sane. Do you want to be
an average
is so weak
that he thinks like this...
*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 9:19 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God
@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God
before, to be. But beyond
that we have no idea.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno,
As mentioned earlier, how did
.
*From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:41 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno,
As mentioned earlier, how did space and time
, 2014 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno,
IMO, consciousness is the basis of the universe which created space and time.
Space and time did emerge out of the chaos of the early universe.
However, there are some young scientists in the US and Canada who
.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Barry,
As I've pointed out to you and others here, it's
is so weak that he thinks like this...
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
On 9/26/2014 2:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
People who are constantly angry at atheists (of whose number jr_esq is
a prime example) often try to convince themselves that the atheists
they're angry at are similarly angry at...uh...that non-existent
fairytale
.
*From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 5:40 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Barry,
As I've pointed out to you and others here, it's not logical
On 9/27/2014 3:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
*From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry usually stops posting at about 20:00±1 hour GMT.
True. At that point Barry either goes out to spend the evening with
friends, or watches TV
On 9/27/2014 6:08 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Well, having penned my obligatory First Button-Pushing Post Of The
Week to give the Barry-haters something to feed on :-), I am free to
write more seriously about this whole belief in God / atheism thang.
Be warned.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 9/27/2014 6:08 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Well, having penned my obligatory First Button-Pushing Post Of The Week to
give the Barry-haters something to feed on :-), I am free
Well, having penned my obligatory First Button-Pushing Post Of The
Week to give the Barry-haters something to feed on :-), I am free
to write more seriously about this whole belief in God / atheism
thang. Be warned.
/Please write about why you believed in Buddhas. Thanks./
I
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno,
IMO, Hawking is missing something very
On 09/27/2014 01:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So I will pipe in until he returns to the light of European day. There
are three scenarios:
1. the universe created itself
2. the universe
Xeno,
The problem with Hawking's approach is that he is hung up with matter, a thing
that is measurable by scientists. But, apparently, he does not consider
superstrings to be a scientific fact. These superstrings exist at the Planck
level or at 10 to the power of minus 33 centimeters.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Xeno,
The problem with Hawking's approach is that he is hung up with matter, a thing
that is measurable by scientists. But, apparently, he does not consider
superstrings to be a scientific fact. These superstrings exist at the
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
On 09/27/2014 01:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So I will pipe in until he returns to the light of
@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Barry,
As I've pointed out to you and others here, it's not logical to conclude that
the universe created itself
is diss the imaginary
being they believe in, and they go a little crazy. Q.E.D.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Barry
On 09/27/2014 10:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
On 09/27/2014 01:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:*
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Xeno,
The problem with Hawking's approach
salyavin, when you say that consciousness is a verb, not a noun, it reminds me
of a friend who has been told he's in Brahman. He says that both the knower and
the known fall away. All that's left is knowing. But my intuition tells me
that it's knowingness rather than knowing. A vibrational
to be necessary to
hypothesise any intelligence to get the ball rolling.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God
: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Salyavin,
I think that you will agree Hawking made another
this...
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
It's part of human psychology. He wouldn't
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
People who are constantly angry at atheists (of whose number jr_esq is a prime
example) often try to convince themselves that the atheists they're angry at
are similarly angry at...uh...that non-existent fairytale being that they
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
People who are constantly angry at atheists (of whose number jr_esq is a prime
example) often try to convince themselves that the atheists they're angry at
are
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
People who are constantly angry at atheists (of whose number jr_esq is a prime
, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Barry,
As I've pointed out to you and others here, it's not logical to conclude that
the universe created itself, which is what Hawking is essentially saying. And,
I do respect Hawking for his mathematical brilliance
Hawking has had more reason than most to dwell upon whence thoughts? It
seems so odd he hasn't, seemingly, been all that interested in sussing it out.
He's probably got a pat answer for why, but I haven't even bothered to google
for it.
Anyway, here's a couple of proper responses to
less amenable to logical analysis.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'
Barry,
As I've pointed out to you and others here
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