Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual elements in life, which you appear to dismiss because they cannot be measured in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

You misread me. I said nothing against science. I love the fruits of it, as you put it. But some things lie beyond the scope of science to measure or understand. I find it interesting that you seem to think that only scientists can be curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed. I have no doubt that TM creates "action at a distance" because I have experienced it myself on a number of occasions. I have no interest in whether science is able to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You misread me. I said nothing against science. I love the fruits of it, as you put it. But some things lie beyond the scope of science to measure or understand. If it exists it can be measured, or in what way can

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

If it exists it can be measured, or in what way can it be said to be existing? Yes, good question, but what if, as others have suggested, it is the relatively imprecise capability of the measurement devices themselves, that leads us to conclude a judgment of no value for various practices?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

The problem is that science hasn't been focused on these fields until lately. The autonomic nervous system study is just one beginning of the exploration. Some scientists believe that calcium in our nervous system acts like antennas that can radiate out information as well as receive. This

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Exactly. I mean talk about taking on a "meaningful" issue. Sheesh! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : HAHA well be careful, that activity could prove dangerous to someone's health if they actually tried that. What is a "flying" fuck, though? I figure if

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But to answer the point: I would never have said "ignore your own experience" but I often say "question the explanations you are given".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed. I have no doubt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Does it occur to you that you insist in ascribing an "either or" situation to those who have repeatedly said, like any sane person, that they hold science in high regard, but also, have an open mind wr to issues which seem contrary to what science tells us in its current state of discovery.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Salyavin, I find it rather humorous that you appear to consider yourself a final authority on what science can or cannot prove. Certainly it's a fair statement to say, "we don't have any scientific basis to make such and such a statement", but some of us are not afraid to think a little

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. and Why? The guy is a scientist and makes administrative decisions based on observation, gathering data, testing, and experience. Metrics and merit now matter more in the running of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Uh, Salyavin, there are consumer laws to cover some or all the situations you list below. Society determines what is acceptable risk, what is choice, and what is fraud. Sometimes that line can be fuzzy, but there is a line. You wish to expand this concept to cover something that you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

"Someone has to stand up for reality. People like S (snip) are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance." They DO have the chance, and obviously choose not to even attempt such a thing. Despite the overheated rhetoric around this singular letter for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

I tend to agree. Science is not a religion, and should not be treated as one. Both love and beauty, for example cannot be explained by western science, nor can consciousness, which paradoxically forms the basis for everything. So science does a great job of discovering and objectifying natural

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed. I have no doubt that TM creates "action at a distance" because I have experienced it myself on a number of occasions. I have no interest in whether science is able to measure it or not. If someone is meditating in my house, it creates a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

You just have a problem when people think in a different manner than what you approve of. And I'm not frightened by this concept of personal accountability. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, I find it rather humorous that you appear to consider yourself a final authority on what science can or cannot prove. I haven't made any such claim. Certainly it's a fair statement to say, "we don't have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not acknowledge an invisible world, I doubt whether it can be of any help. I am talking

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If there is no basis to something, why bother getting outside the box? As soon as you do that you get into religious beliefs, and defending those isn't what science is all about. But you can believe any rubbish you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If there is no basis to something, why bother getting outside the box? As soon as you do that you get into religious beliefs, and defending those

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed. Oh I don't know, try removing the fruits of science from your life and see how far you'd get. What would you be happy not knowing? Maybe you have no curiousity

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Why? Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. Reality check. An adaption based on observation of human behavior. Evidently Yogic flying as advanced practice seems too fantastic and complex to frankly lead with. But the science research on meditation and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Unless and until the TMO can demonstrate with solid evidence that the 1% effect works, I don't see it having much chance of gaining any traction. I was simply pointing out, based on my own experience, that the power of attention can have remarkable and practical effects in everyday life.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

I don't have a vested interest in this, but just out of curiosity, why would it be a concern of your how people wish to spend their money? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip An awful lot of people gave up an awful lot of money for that, a fool

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I do. If someone rang

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their shoulder saying "Stop. I disapprove of you spending your money this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. and Why? The guy is a scientist and makes administrative decisions based on observation, gathering data, testing, and experience. Metrics and merit now matter more in the running of the new TM order than just some old rigid belief in ideology. This is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying  and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Or it's earth waves that influence are thinking and what we do. It could be why astrology may more or less or considering planets used as markers for earth/solar cycles that recur. Here's an interesting article about that: https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/ They think we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Good nuance. Good comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Quite interesting. This is how it starts. Some will be ahead of curve,and some, likely the great majority, will be behind the curve. But this is how it starts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Or it's earth waves that influence are thinking and what we do. It

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

Me, I'm not so sure. I think the combined thoughts of humans is a powerful part of the equation. I think changes in the earth affected the development of humans, and the development of the human intellect and reason had an effect on earth and it's landscape and fauna and flora. Don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the