Re: Debbie's multible testing need
Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet. I have one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets. Some mobil vets will agree to only charge for 1 office (house) visit if you get more than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization that would help you with the costs of testing? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: Debbie's multible testing need
I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say "it is hard to catch", but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet. I have one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets. Some mobil vets will agree to only charge for 1 "office" (house) visit if you get more than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization that would help you with the costs of testing? It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: Debbie's multible testing need
about all that i can add is, read the most recent research--it is NOT easy to transmit, and that has actually been known for quite awhile now. i don't think we're just asking you to take our word as folks who haven't asked the same questions you have, but as folks who wouldn't take the automatic, oh, no, kill them all! knee-jerk reaction that too many vets and shelters still have. we've done the reading and the searching, and have accessed the same information that IS available to the professionals--they've just made the decision not to seek it out. the courage of the first owners of FeLVs is akin to that of the original sailors who said, wait, maybe the world ISN'T flat, and maybe there AREN'T dragons beyond this point. all the rest of us owe the love and light and lives of our beloved furry ones to their being able to stand up and say, no, to the professionals MC On 3/1/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet. I have one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets. Some mobil vets will agree to only charge for 1 office (house) visit if you get more than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization that would help you with the costs of testing? -- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alertshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Debbie's multible testing need
I love your description of your crew! As for how it is transmitted...if I've learned ANYTHING from caring for animals...its listen to those who actually have them...more so than vetsToo many vets say a felv+ cat should be pts. whereas people who actually take care of them, know that they can live long healthy lives. Maybe check with your local cat rescue to see if they can help you with the expense...meanwhile, just try to give each cat a quality life, healthy diet, and keep them as stress free as possible.test when you have the money to do so, AS you have the money to do so...even if you don't get them all done at once. uhm..maybe start with Sneezy...;-) As for them adoring your hubby! I hear that! My mom isn't a fan of cats (they kinda give her the heebie-geebies-what with the shedding and going so limp when you pick them up)...but can't stand to see them cold or suffer so she took to feeding a few run-a-ways from her neighbor's home down the court..they had 15...and two of them, Tom Jerry took up residence on Mom Dad's front porch-refusing to ever go home. After several years of the cats training Mom's standard poodle NOT to try to chase or eat them (a feat beyond any human...believe me...we tried!)...the cats also trained my parents to let them into the house...first into a room in the basement...then to supply that room with nice fluffy beds.. toys.then to let them into the rest of the basementand eventually into the rest of the house. Two others HissPuff Tabby showed up...Tabby keeps trying to expand the cats allowed home space to the masterbedAnyway, they absolutely love my dad who administers to them(Mom feeds cleans up after them, but Dad pets, plays, sits with them...) Mom calls him the cat whisperer. Its not unusal to see Dad on the lazyboy downstairs, with the two black n whites, Tom Jerry, sitting looking like clones, side by side, their butts up against his hip, and Tabby drapped across his shoulders or lap ... We think HissPuff (he was somekind of jet black Burmese/maybe Himie or Pursain mix that would only rarely allow himself to be touched...and would hiss whenever anyone looked at him) might have died of Felv leuk. but decided that we weren't going to have the others tested because they weren't to be put down if they tested positive anyway. Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more,
RE: Debbie's multible testing need
When you think about it, it's in the vets' best interests for you to test the whole kaboodle, especially since they're not willing to cut you a break for quantity. And because of this, it's in their best interests to want you to think the disease is easily transmissible. Either way, PTS or testing, they get your money. This may be an oversimplification of their motives, they might not actually be *evil* -- but the point is that the new, enlightened attitude toward FeLV costs a lot less at the vet (though you may end up spending some of that for supplements and alternative meds). The disease is transmitted chiefly by body fluids, which are most easily exchanged through sex and biting. Speutered animals are not only less aggressive (hence less danger of fights ending in deep wounds), they also don't (usually) engage in sex (I've seen one of my neutered boys sort-of mount a girlkitty, and then stand there with a confused look on his face like is there something else I'm supposed to be doing at this point? -- but there's no penetration). The bug doesn't survive outside the body for very long, so more casual contact, like sharing food bowls, isn't usually a factor. For some reason this explanation of how venereal disease is transmitted (I think it was in Everything You Always.SexAsk) seems appropriate. The question was, can you get VD from a toilet seat. The answer was, if you sat on it with your diseased, open-sored genitals pressed right up against the front of the seat rim, and then someone came within 1 minute and also pressed his/her open-sored genitals up against that exact spot, then yes, there's a chance they might get it. (I know, gross -- but straightforward!) So if you're worried about maybe having some positive-kitty drool on your jeans and going over to your mom's and giving FeLV to her cats, or some such scenario -- ain't gonna happen. ;-) You sound like you have a wonderful fur family. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a
RE: Debbie's multible testing need
I have also worried about bringing the disease in on our shoes and so forth. My aunt and grandma feed a large number of feral cats. They do the best they can with the limited means they have but most times you end up stepping in something when you walk through the yard. Crazy thing was we always went above and beyond to make sure we sterilized ourselves before coming home -and then we find out one of ours already had it. Ironic, isn't it? As far as ours passing something - they tend to lick us alot (not each other but us!) Sneezy and Patches tend to wash your face while you sleep and Sheba quite often gives VERY wet sloppy kisses. She goes for your mouth because that's where the sound comes from. -Original Message- From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 1, 2007 3:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Debbie's multible testing need When you think about it, it's in the vets' best interests for you to test the whole kaboodle, especially since they're not willing to cut you a break for quantity. And because of this, it's in their best interests to want you to think the disease is easily transmissible. Either way, PTS or testing, they get your money. This may be an oversimplification of their motives, they might not actually be *evil* -- but the point is that the new, enlightened attitude toward FeLV costs a lot less at the vet (though you may end up spending some of that for supplements and alternative meds). The disease is transmitted chiefly by body fluids, which are most easily exchanged through sex and biting. Speutered animals are not only less aggressive (hence less danger of fights ending in deep wounds), they also don't (usually) engage in sex (I've seen one of my neutered boys sort-of mount a girlkitty, and then stand there with a confused look on his face like "is there something else I'm supposed to be doing at this point?" -- but there's no penetration). The bug doesn't surviveoutside the bodyforvery long, so more casual contact, like sharing food bowls, isn't usually a factor. For some reason this explanation of how venereal disease is transmitted (I think it was in "Everything You Always.SexAsk") seems appropriate. The question was, can you get VD from a toilet seat. The answer was, if you sat on it with your diseased, open-soredgenitals pressed right up against the front of the seat rim, and then someone came within 1 minute and also pressed his/her open-sored genitals up against that exact spot, then yes, there's a chance they might get it. (I know, gross -- but straightforward!) So if you're worried about maybe having some positive-kitty drool on your jeans and going over to your mom's and giving FeLV to her cats, or some such scenario -- ain't gonna happen. ;-) You sound like you have a wonderful fur family. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DebbieSent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:40 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say "it is hard to catch", but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 1, 2007
RE: Debbie's multible testing need
LOL re the sloppy kisses! (One of my cats will stick her nose right in your mouth if you've had something good-smelling to eat.) But again, it would take something considerably sloppier and more invasive to pass the FeLV bug. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Debbie's multible testing need I have also worried about bringing the disease in on our shoes and so forth. My aunt and grandma feed a large number of feral cats. They do the best they can with the limited means they have but most times you end up stepping in something when you walk through the yard. Crazy thing was we always went above and beyond to make sure we sterilized ourselves before coming home -and then we find out one of ours already had it. Ironic, isn't it? As far as ours passing something - they tend to lick us alot (not each other but us!) Sneezy and Patches tend to wash your face while you sleep and Sheba quite often gives VERY wet sloppy kisses. She goes for your mouth because that's where the sound comes from. -Original Message- From: Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Mar 1, 2007 3:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Debbie's multible testing need When you think about it, it's in the vets' best interests for you to test the whole kaboodle, especially since they're not willing to cut you a break for quantity. And because of this, it's in their best interests to want you to think the disease is easily transmissible. Either way, PTS or testing, they get your money. This may be an oversimplification of their motives, they might not actually be *evil* -- but the point is that the new, enlightened attitude toward FeLV costs a lot less at the vet (though you may end up spending some of that for supplements and alternative meds). The disease is transmitted chiefly by body fluids, which are most easily exchanged through sex and biting. Speutered animals are not only less aggressive (hence less danger of fights ending in deep wounds), they also don't (usually) engage in sex (I've seen one of my neutered boys sort-of mount a girlkitty, and then stand there with a confused look on his face like is there something else I'm supposed to be doing at this point? -- but there's no penetration). The bug doesn't survive outside the body for very long, so more casual contact, like sharing food bowls, isn't usually a factor. For some reason this explanation of how venereal disease is transmitted (I think it was in Everything You Always.SexAsk) seems appropriate. The question was, can you get VD from a toilet seat. The answer was, if you sat on it with your diseased, open-sored genitals pressed right up against the front of the seat rim, and then someone came within 1 minute and also pressed his/her open-sored genitals up against that exact spot, then yes, there's a chance they might get it. (I know, gross -- but straightforward!) So if you're worried about maybe having some positive-kitty drool on your jeans and going over to your mom's and giving FeLV to her cats, or some such scenario -- ain't gonna happen. ;-) You sound like you have a wonderful fur family. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a
Re: Debbie's multible testing need
AMEN!! I have probably 6-8 feleuk+ cats and kittens at any given time. Mix 'em freely with my vaccinated cats - who are negative. Everyone I have retested who was neg to begin with has been still neg! Even my vet is aware of what I am doing and is fine with it -- but he is pretty exceptional anyhow. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about all that i can add is, read the most recent research--it is NOT easy to transmit, and that has actually been known for quite awhile now. i don't think we're just asking you to take our word as folks who haven't asked the same questions you have, but as folks who wouldn't take the automatic, oh, no, kill them all! knee-jerk reaction that too many vets and shelters still have. we've done the reading and the searching, and have accessed the same information that IS available to the professionals--they've just made the decision not to seek it out. the courage of the first owners of FeLVs is akin to that of the original sailors who said, wait, maybe the world ISN'T flat, and maybe there AREN'T dragons beyond this point. all the rest of us owe the love and light and lives of our beloved furry ones to their being able to stand up and say, no, to the professionals MC On 3/1/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet. I have one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets. Some mobil vets will agree to only charge for 1 office (house) visit if you get more than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization that would help you with the costs of testing? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Pregnancy and felv
Never heard of anything like this before; have been an active member of this site for a year and a half. Best of luck to you and your pregnancy. :) Wendy --- Jodie Marsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a 1 1/2 year old kitty who has FeLV and is persistently veremic. He is healthy and happy and was recently rescued. I am also in my second trimester of pregnancy. I have read on certain websites that pregnant women should not have FeLV+ cats. I'm wondering if anyone has any more information about this. I have read that FeLV+ cats can have episodes of reactivated toxoplasmosis and I am wondering if this is true (I am finding conflicting info). Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much. Jodie - The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
Please add Lucy to the CLS
I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
hi maggie So sorry to hear about Lucy. Having lost 4 babies last year I can relate. I will be praying for Izzie to stay negative. Sally On 3/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Debbie's multible testing need
I don't know where you live, but the clinic that just spayed my Daisy is having a vaccination clinic in April. The cost of the testing is $22.00. I am in Richmond, Va. I wish they did this back in the fall. I am not sure it would have helped me. I too felt I was in an emergency situation having just lost a cat and the second tested positive with similiar symptoms as the cat I lost. I have a total of nine cats now. I started last year with 11 lost 4 gained two more. I also mix them now, but Speedy has been sneezing and I am trying to keep him out of Junior's (my pos) room. I am hoping it is allergies for Speedy I know mine are acting up. Tree pollen season. Speedy has all his vacinations. If I remember corectly he does go through sneezing periods. Sally On 3/1/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my sister, neighbors, - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but the ones in our area aren't. We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as follows: Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects (starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on our new loveseat! We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs! There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of Yorkshire. Debbie -Original Message- From: tamara stickler Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need Debbie, Let me ask you this: if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you currently have, why the rush to test? They've already been exposed, yes? Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day? Enjoy the ones you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives. What is the point of rushing to have them all tested? If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet. I have one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets. Some mobil vets will agree to only charge for 1 office (house) visit if you get more than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization that would help you with the costs of testing? -- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alertshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: comfort muzzle for cats--any good or trash?
good, excellent for cats that bite when giving sub-q fluids or such things. Donate to any vet clinic or animal shelter if you can't use it and it will be put to good use. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Pregnancy and felv
Cats either have toxo or they don't, take you cats to the vet and have them tested, if they are negative, no worries, don't feed them raw meat while you are preggo or they could become infected. Likewise, don't HANDLE raw meat either without gloves and don't walk around outside in the yard or gardens with bare feet or open sandals. And, lastly, if your cats are positive, then just wear good long rubber (dishwashing type) gloves when you clean the litterboxes, at least until their treatment is done and they test negative. Though certainly, wearing gloves while doing the litterboxes would be extra careful even for negative cats, so you may just want to wear the gloves regardless of their test results. You're actually MORE likely to get toxo from meat and walking barefoot than from a cat box. FELV has absolutely NO effect on toxo, and makes no difference at all. ALL cats should be tested or presumed positive when human pregnancy is concerned, even FELV negative cats. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Talk to Izzie and explain to her that Lucy has left this world but is still very close to her. She knows this but her heart is breaking and she isn't really thinking. Like you, she wants Lucy's body close to her and she doesn't have it and she feels very lost. Keep talking to her and explaining this. If you have things of Lucy's--a bed, blanket, etc--let Izzie have them. Also try various flower essences: Rescue Remedy and Red Chestnut come to mind but do a Google search for Bach Remedies or maybe someone else on the list has a better knowledge of them than I do. Feliway may calm her. I use it for anything stressful for Dixie and for the Royal Princess Kitty Katt when she was in this world. Bless you all. Know that Lucy loves you and Izzie. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Please add Lucy to the CLS I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
At 04:03 PM 3/1/2007, you wrote: I am so so sorry that you have lost little Lucy, It is good it was peaceful and no suffering, Just asleep in the arms surrounding her with warmth and love. How we continue to do this , but thank goodness for each other, Kelly I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 2/28/2007
