Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: > Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? > I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but > want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. > > Thanks > Kat > > On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: >> >> Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in >> Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. >> >> >> >> >> From: drsiebl...@gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI >> >> >> Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks >> of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a >> bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - >> if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I >> was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible >> to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other >> up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous >> injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The >> IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q >> injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - >> something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the >> inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this >> stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and >> will give you all the info you need. >> >> -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- >> >> On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi everyone >> I really need some help. >> fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the >> basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i >> cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and >> his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know >> what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the >> base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen >> such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't >> working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of >> improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to >> the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my >> vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is >> wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him >> What do I do >> Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? >> >> Thanks so much >> Marcia >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Where do you guys get LTCI? >> the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to >> have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the >> best place to get LTCI? >> >> hideyo >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Marcia Baronda >> Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. >> 1550 S 2700 Rd. >> Herington, Kansas 67449 >> Phone: 785-466-2501 >> Cell:785-230-6499 >> >> " I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a >> veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who >> inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my >> conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or >> wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit >> humans. They have the same right to exist as we do." Don Hamilton DVM >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 " I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that thes
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Also, Marcia, can you take him to another vet for a second opinion? - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 " I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do." Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/f
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
My Elmo did not have felv but a rare auto immune disease. He had the same symptoms as yours. Elmo had a very low red blood cell count (his body was attacking his own) and needed a blood transfusion. This might help your cat also and isn't very expensive. On Sep 3, 2011 9:35 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: > Also, Marcia, can you take him to another vet for a second opinion? > > - Original Message - > From: "Marcia Baronda" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI > > >> Hi everyone >> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really >> afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet >> yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he >> was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did >> mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry >> all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info >> on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked >> just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was >> extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day >> before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is >> permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the >> experts? (all of you)(-: >> >> Thanks so much >> Marcia >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: >> >>> Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? >>> I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but >>> want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Kat >>> >>> On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@feli
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub- q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" > To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub- cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda > wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YA
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She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: > I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with > anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just > aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they > might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. > > My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no > more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. > but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or > something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative > than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. > > > > Gloria > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > >> Marcia, >> >> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. >> Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to >> find out what his blood cell counts are? >> >> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so >> sorry he is such bad shape!! >> >> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor >> little guy to suffer. >> >> Hugs~ >> Lynda >> - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI >> >> >>> Hi everyone >>> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really >>> afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday >>> for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last >>> week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that >>> most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way >>> there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and >>> she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is >>> fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance >>> and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of >>> life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing >>> bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: >>> >>> Thanks so much >>> Marcia >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: >>> Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: > > Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor > in > Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. > > > > > From: drsiebl...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI > > > Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few > weeks > of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived > a > bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - > if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. > I > was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible > to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The > other > up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous > injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The > IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q > injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after ea
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Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" > To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub- cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin als
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Gloria I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: > Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, > blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure > about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? > > How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? > > Gloria > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >> She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he >> will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after >> reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to >> look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to >> sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday >> because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how >> could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my >> legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no >> sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had >> fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch >> twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not >> anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. >> Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told >> me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. >> >> Thanks you guys for listening(-: >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: >>> I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with >>> anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just >>> aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they >>> might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. >>> >>> My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no >>> more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical >>> reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or >>> interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a >>> preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gloria >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: >>> Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI > Hi everyone > I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really > afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet > yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what > he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did > mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't > cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the > info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I > asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he > was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the > day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this > is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the > experts? (all of you)(-: > > Thanks so much > Marcia > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: > >> Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? >> I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but >> want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. >> >> Thanks >> Kat >> >> On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a >>> distributor in >>> Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. >>> >>> >
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Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the drug store, etc? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: Gloria I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" > To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started soo
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat dose is 1/10 of human dose. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: > Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the drug store, > etc? > > Gloria > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: > >> Gloria >> I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am >> giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex >> isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice >> today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his >> nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: >> >>> Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, >>> blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not >>> sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? >>> >>> How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? >>> >>> Gloria >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: >>> She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: > I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but > with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets > just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - > though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids > at home. > > My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no > more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical > reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or > interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of > a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. > > > > Gloria > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > >> Marcia, >> >> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps >> tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do >> any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? >> >> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so >> sorry he is such bad shape!! >> >> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor >> little guy to suffer. >> >> Hugs~ >> Lynda >> - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI >> >> >>> Hi everyone >>> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really >>> afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet >>> yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what >>> he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did >>> mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't >>> cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her >>> the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. >>> I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home >>> he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that >>> the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if >>> this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection.
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
OK Thanks - yup I like Twinlab. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marcia wrote: Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat dose is 1/10 of human dose. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the drug store, etc? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: Gloria I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" > wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" > To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Marcia, check that baby aspirin dose again with your vet. I've never heard of giving more than 1/2 a baby aspirin ever 72 hrs. Here is a link to more info on aspirin http://www.marvistavet.com/html/aspirin.html Sharyl From: Marcia Baronda To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: > I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with > anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just > aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they > might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. > > My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no > more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. > but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or > something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative > than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. > > > > Gloria > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > >> Marcia, >> >> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. >> Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to >> find out what his blood cell counts are? >> >> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so >> sorry he is such bad shape!! >> >> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor >> little guy to suffer. >> >> Hugs~ >> Lynda >> - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI >> >> >>> Hi everyone >>> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really >>> afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday >>> for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last >>> week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that >>> most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way >>> there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and >>> she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is >>> fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance >>> and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of >>> life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing >>> bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: >>> >>> Thanks so much >>> Marcia >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: >>> Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: > > Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor > in > Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. > > > > > From: drsiebl...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI > > > Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few > weeks > of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived > a > bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - > if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the > vet. I > was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible > to be more aggressi
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Hi, everyone - I am back! Irene really socked it to us - no power from Sunday 3 AM until Thursday afternoon and cable only yesterday afternoon...and without cable, we had no telephones! Now I'm going through a week's worth of mail, which is quite a daunting enterprise! I hope that everyone else who was in Irene's path is OK! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI OK Thanks - yup I like Twinlab. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marcia wrote: > Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a > twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a > spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat > dose is 1/10 of human dose. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" > wrote: > >> Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the >> drug store, etc? >> >> Gloria >> >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: >> >>> Gloria >>> I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. >>> So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since >>> the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned >>> food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. >>> But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him >>> (and I don't mind). (-: >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" >>> wrote: >>> Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference > in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but > did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She > immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at > the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even > talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the > holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how > could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs > all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling > all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low > on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain > tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid > there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. > His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I > know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't > hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a > week. > > Thanks you guys for listening(-: > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" > wrote: >> I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of >> this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long >> time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try >> and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) >> You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. >> >> My vet said that we could do a couple of blood >> transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for >> biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion >> might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or >> something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a >> preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. >> >> >> >> Gloria >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: >> >>> Marcia, >>> >>> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps >>> tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? >>> Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts >>> are? >>> >>> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too >>> weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! >>> >>> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want >>> the poor little guy to suffer. >>> >>> Hugs~ >>> Lynda >>> - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" >> > >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI >>> >>
[Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016&Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4 % (Min) Crude FIber.. 4 % (Max) Moisture...4 % (Max) Ash... 4 % (Max) Calcium. 0.05 % (Min) 0.07 % (Max) Phosphorus... 0.87 % (Min) Salt... 0.027 % (Min) 0.033 % (Max) Minerals (Min): Potassium: 1.78 % Magnesium:0.12 % Zinc: 5 mg Iron: 1 mg Copper: 2 mg Manganese:0.2 mg Selenium:0.03 mg Vitamins (Min): B12: 0.02 mcg Inositol: 119 mg Choline: 101 mg Biotin: 58 mg Niacin: 10 mg Thiamine (B1): 2.25 mg Panthotenic Acid: 1.6 mg Riboflavin (B2): 1.06 mg P-Amino Benzoic Acid: 1 mg B6: 1 mg Folic Acid: 0.35 mg Features Helpful & effective for: dry skin, constant scratching, dull thin coat, excessive shedding. Contains biotin and essential fatty acids plus a wide spectrum of vitamins and minerals. Contains no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives. Each scoop contains 1.5 mg (1500 mcg) of Biotin. Feed 1/4 teaspoon (scoop provided) per 30 lbs of weight. 4-8 months' supply for pets under 30 lbs. Recommended for biotin deficiencies which may cause: Dry, Itchy , Scaly Skin Seborrheic Dermatitis & Eczema Military Eczema in Cats Alopecia (Loss of Hair) Poor Coat Color and Coat Quality Cracked or Tender Pads Infected Toe Nails Stiffness in Aged Dogs and Cats Hindquarter Weakness Loss of Appetite Stress in Pregnancy and lactation ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
I haver instructions in front of me. It says 1 81 mg every 3rd day. I questioned her about it when she told me to give it. She explained it all to me which she is very good at doing. I will read your link. I like marvistavets site. A lot of good info there! Thank you(-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Sharyl wrote: > Marcia, check that baby aspirin dose again with your vet. I've never heard > of giving more than 1/2 a baby aspirin ever 72 hrs. Here is a link to more > info on aspirin > http://www.marvistavet.com/html/aspirin.html > > Sharyl > > From: Marcia Baronda > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI > > She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he > will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after > reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look > it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she > could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the > holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that > Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now > he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it > be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a > brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and > did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink > and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 > mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby > aspirin 2X a week. > > Thanks you guys for listening(-: > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: > > I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with > > anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just > > aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they > > might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. > > > > My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no > > more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical > > reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or > > interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a > > preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. > > > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > > > >> Marcia, > >> > >> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps > >> tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do > >> any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? > >> > >> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so > >> sorry he is such bad shape!! > >> > >> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor > >> little guy to suffer. > >> > >> Hugs~ > >> Lynda > >> - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" > >> > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI > >> > >> > >>> Hi everyone > >>> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really > >>> afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet > >>> yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what > >>> he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did > >>> mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't > >>> cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the > >>> info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I > >>> asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he > >>> was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the > >>> day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this > >>> is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the > >>> experts? (all of you)(-: > >>> > >>> Thanks so much > >>> Marcia > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: > >>> > Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? > I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but > want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. > > Thanks > Kat > > On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: > > > > Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a > > distributor in > > Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. > > > > > > > > > > From: drsiebl...@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
PetTinic is a very good source; my vet always prescribes it when cats are anemic. Right now, a cat with renal failure is getting some daily, but you should not give too much/more than vet recommends. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in > the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did > seem interested after reading through some of the data. She > immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the > end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to > them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I > think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that > Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, > purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes > no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, > when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just > peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. > She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums > are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of > methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of > baby aspirin 2X a week. > > Thanks you guys for listening(-: > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" > wrote: >> I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, >> but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). >> Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick >> FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give >> him sub-q fluids at home. >> >> My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but >> that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or >> practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he >> could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, >> interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not >> sure about interferon omega. >> >> >> >> Gloria >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: >> >>> Marcia, >>> >>> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps >>> tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did >>> she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? >>> >>> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. >>> I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! >>> >>> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the >>> poor little guy to suffer. >>> >>> Hugs~ >>> Lynda >>> - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" >> > >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI >>> >>> Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: > Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per > vial? > I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check > but > want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. > > Thanks > Kat > > On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: >> >> Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a >> distributor in >> Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. >> >> >> >> >> From: drsiebl...@
