Re: Great News! Hartz is withdrawing their awful Flea and Tick Drops!
Wow! That is great news! I am not sure of exactly what the problem was, but I know that we used it when we found out that our Tom is + and the other 2 were exposed and it was terrible! When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Re: Drugs given to TeeCee
Sure, I can try, depends on how good the photo is, and if the syringes are marked, and if I have something in the photo for comparison if I can't see the marks (so I can see what size the syringes are). Send them to me, and I'll see what I can do for ya. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I was wondering if anyone here can look at some pictures of the meds they gave TeeCee when he was so sick and see how much is in the syringes? I had some problems and this looks like way more drugs than he was supposed to have.Steph No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: New member
Just keep in mind… my Tucson was an indoor cat since kittenhood;never exposed to pos cat—tested neg at about 6 weeks old & turned up pos 5 years later…. Tests of young kittens can be inaccurate…. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:36 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New member I have to thank you all for the advice. I never expected to get so much response. I want you all to know that you and your kitties are in my prayers. I would like to know how to join the FIV yahoo group. I haven't even begun to research that one! So far we are all doing well here! Tom officially moved in to our extra bedroom today, and is getting used to it. Bernie and Tink seem ok with it too. They have their shots, but for now we are keeping them apart until we get more confimation on what is going on (Bernie and Tink need to be retested). They are inside cats, so Tom is really the only way they could have this. Again, thank you all so very much! Feel free to pass along anything else I should know- I am keeping a binder of all this info!! *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Erika - have you joined the FIV yahoo group too - not quite as active as this one but still good to have. Have your Tinkerbell and Bernie had their shots? I've heard and read that too, about FeLV being spread by mutual grooming, sharing food dishes and litter boxes. I guess somewhere, somehow that was documented, but a lot of the folks on this list mix, myself included, and none of my negatives have turned up positive, (quick say a prayer!). There's no denying that keeping them separated is safer, but mine where mixed before I learned of my positives' status, (I don't think I'd have separated them anyway). If your house kitties haven't had their shots, I would definitely segregate them from Tom until they do, and for two weeks after. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie go outside? If they do, Tom is probably at greater health risk from them, then the other way around, (they could bring in illness from the outside world and infect Tom). If Tom is asymptomatic, (not showing any signs of illness), after having survived on the street for at least two years, then that's wonderful, and bodes well for him. What are the living arrangements now? Was Tom neutered before you brought him in? If he's intact, he'll be more likely to squabble with your other two. I also ask because the stress of surgery can be dangerous for our +s as well. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie get along with him? Is he already inside with the other cats? Take the transition slow, stress is a high risk factor for triggering problems with FeLV too. Welcome to the list and thank you for rescuing Tom, he's a lucky boy to have found you. Nina
Re: CLS-Belinda
Belinda, Would you add Smokey to the special needs list? A sweet young Siamese cat, lost. He was Susan's foster kitty, and a special cat. We I went out tonight looking for him and putting up flyers. Susan's also on this list. When his new person took a trip to Europe, her sons girlfriend came over and let him out. Duh. They didn't call us, either - just went to adopt a new kitten, and didn't indicate another cat when they filled out the form, so Susan called to check, and the lady told her that Smokey was lost. While looking in the neighborhood today, we discovered also that new owner has had him DECLAWED, which is against our contract and she had agreed not to do. Sigh. People. Gloria At 10:56 PM 6/13/2005, you wrote: Hi Al, Here is the service for this week. I hope all the sick furkids feel better soon. Take care all ... FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls --
RE: New Member
Title: Message He came to give you joy…… Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholena Rushton Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member Erika: I am also relatively new to this site (only since last week) and I have to say that I have learned that this group of individuals all should be blessed as they are a wealth of information and support. I just adopted a FeLV + kitten from a friend (she did not know he was) and totally devastated when I found out his condition from the vet. I have to admit it was this group that calmed me down and made me realize that Ziggy's diagnosis was not the end of the world. As they have told me you just have to stay strong and enjoy Tom (and the others) for as long as you can. I am of the belief that my Ziggy came into my life for a reason and while I do not know why yet it will come to me one day and I will forever be grateful it has. Niki - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hello Erika Welcome from me too, and thank you for caring for little Tom and and wanting to do the best for him. Don't worry---you will find a ton of support and info from the wonderful folks here just like I did/do. I agree with Tonya---best to keep them all indoors just now until they're re-tested. The first of my brood to be tested came up negative--then a few weeks later tested positive, even though nothing had changed -- ie she was still quarantined with her siblings. (The consensus is that the virus was still too new in her body to be detected by the first test.) I'll send you some info on nutrition privately (I don't want to fall foul of any copyright laws) that I found really useful when i was pointed to it. You'll get lots of other valuable input from other folks here too. Take care, and big hug to Tom! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member Hi Erika, Welcome the the list, although I'm sorry you had to find us. Right now it sounds like you're doing about all you can. How old is Tom? What ages are the others? If possible, I would keep them all inside for now. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and indoors. I would really love any ideas! Thank you so much! Erika Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser. http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Great News! Hartz is withdrawing their awful Flea and Tick Drops!
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RE: New member
Well, after I stopped hyperventilating… I did a whole lot of research and ended up with all sorts of opinions. FELV is a very old disease, probably not really noticed until fairly recently. My cat Tucson, who I got as a stray kitten, was tested very young & was neg. Some five years later, after being an indoor only cat, she tested pos- she would not even had been tested were it not for my very sharp vet. Both vets felt she had it since birth. Tucson has lived here with 3 other cats (two of whom were first exposed to her as kittenns): 1 a year older, 1 a year younger, & 1 two years younger. They all ate out of each other’s dishes, used the same litter boxes, groomed each other, slobbered over the same toys, etc. & had never been vaccinated for FELV, (they are now). The other 3 have remained negative so I don’t think its all that hard to catch. I understand, it is particularly hard for adult cats to catch. Big Boy, well I just brought him in last year. I know some vets really don’t encourage mixing and have a fairly dated idea of how easily it is caught. I suspect there are a lot more cats out there who do test pos but no one has checked. I figured if my cats all lived together all those years & didn’t catch anything, well it can’t be that easy to catch. I changed vets to one who was a little more experienced with FELV. He’s given me some supplements and twice, he’s given Tucson a series of ImmunoRegulin shots when her white blood count went very low. I haven’t started Interferon for either Big Boy or Tucson—I sort of go back and forth on that for a lot of reasons. It would be tough to give BB shots & vet trips are a little rough for him. Tucson, well my biggest problem is that she’s too fat and that’s caused her some problems so she’s on a diet (I say that laughingly- her favorite pastimes are eating & sleeping!) When I found out Tucson was pos, I knew I would not euthanize her, knew I couldn’t give her away, and knew that isolating her would have been impossible. I figure everything in life is chancy so I went with what made them all the happiest & have not regretted it one minute. Many people on this lists have much longer experience with mixing so they might be more helpful with their experiences….. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:13 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New member Chris, That makes me feel better. Thank you. Did you have to do anything other than the vaccinations for the negative kitties? The vet told me that it can be passed if they eat from the same food dish. I assume yours do, and no problems? You are right that the FIV requires a puncture bite, so I am more concerned about the FeLV. Thanks! Erika My Big Boy was also a stray that I fed for about 2 years==Saw him every day, he was never sick so I was floored when he tested Pos for FELV (when I brought him in). I mix him &my other FELV with 3 other cats as the 4 others all lived with me together before I found out one was pos. I vaccinate the negs &had no problems. I don't know much about FIV but I understand it is even harder to transmit then FELV-requires deep bite wounds. but again, I'm not an expert. Chris When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Re: New member
I have to thank you all for the advice. I never expected to get so much response. I want you all to know that you and your kitties are in my prayers. I would like to know how to join the FIV yahoo group. I haven't even begun to research that one! So far we are all doing well here! Tom officially moved in to our extra bedroom today, and is getting used to it. Bernie and Tink seem ok with it too. They have their shots, but for now we are keeping them apart until we get more confimation on what is going on (Bernie and Tink need to be retested). They are inside cats, so Tom is really the only way they could have this. Again, thank you all so very much! Feel free to pass along anything else I should know- I am keeping a binder of all this info!! *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Erika - have you joined the FIV yahoo group too - not quite as active as this one but still good to have. Have your Tinkerbell and Bernie had their shots? I've heard and read that too, about FeLV being spread by mutual grooming, sharing food dishes and litter boxes. I guess somewhere, somehow that was documented, but a lot of the folks on this list mix, myself included, and none of my negatives have turned up positive, (quick say a prayer!). There's no denying that keeping them separated is safer, but mine where mixed before I learned of my positives' status, (I don't think I'd have separated them anyway). If your house kitties haven't had their shots, I would definitely segregate them from Tom until they do, and for two weeks after. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie go outside? If they do, Tom is probably at greater health risk from them, then the other way around, (they could bring in illness from the outside world and infect Tom). If Tom is asymptomatic, (not showing any signs of illness), after having survived on the street for at least two years, then that's wonderful, and bodes well for him. What are the living arrangements now? Was Tom neutered before you brought him in? If he's intact, he'll be more likely to squabble with your other two. I also ask because the stress of surgery can be dangerous for our +s as well. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie get along with him? Is he already inside with the other cats? Take the transition slow, stress is a high risk factor for triggering problems with FeLV too. Welcome to the list and thank you for rescuing Tom, he's a lucky boy to have found you. Nina
Great News! Hartz is withdrawing their awful Flea and Tick Drops!
fyi - Hartz has signed an agreement with the EPA initiating the voluntary cancellation of the following products: Hartz Advanced Care 4 in 1 Flea and Tick Drops Plus for Cats Hartz Advanced Care 3 in 1 Flea and Tick Drops for Cats The drops will be available until spring 2006 when the company releases a new feline product. Full article: http://dvm.adv100.com/dvm/content/printContentPopup.jsp?id=164870
Re: Muffie
That sounds good to me! I was afraid she would be upset from the shave. Glad to know she's settled in and enjoying being spoiled. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Muffie is great. Thanks for asking. I think she likes her new hairdo. She is getting along great with everyone, better than I expected. The dogs even seem to think she is okay! I guess she was just meant to be a part of this family. She is spoiled rotten already, and has become a picky eater very fast, prefers sliced turkey and ham to cat food. I got to break that habit before it's to late. She is sweet as can be and we love her very much.Sheila <>
Re: Muffie
Muffie is great. Thanks for asking. I think she likes her new hairdo. She is getting along great with everyone, better than I expected. The dogs even seem to think she is okay! I guess she was just meant to be a part of this family. She is spoiled rotten already, and has become a picky eater very fast, prefers sliced turkey and ham to cat food. I got to break that habit before it's to late. She is sweet as can be and we love her very much. Sheila
Re: New member
Excuse my bluntness, but your vet seems like he is trying to scare you, rather than give you any sound and helpful advice. The FELV virus dies VERY quickly when exposed to air, such as in the dry kibble food dish or a well maintained litterbox. Very cautious sources claim that the virus might survive twenty-four to forty-eight hours in a moist environment and so it is possible that it could be transmitted by litter boxes that are not well maintained and are allowed to become wet or food dishes containing wet (canned) food, while this would be EXTREMELY rare, I had to mention it since it MIGHT happen (though I, myself doubt it). It is POSSIBLE that if the positive cat cleans a negative cat, and the negative cat immediately cleans the exact same spot before the positive cat's saliva dries, that could transmit the virus (or if your cats tend to french kiss each other). In other words, you have to have MOIST bodily fluid contact directly from cat to cat to get a case of transmission. Saliva is the most effective route of transmission between cats, other than a mother cat who is positive giving it to her kittens during pregnancy and nursing. ALL of these things, I would like to point out, and HIGHLY unlikely to ever transmit the virus if the negative cats in the household are Healthy Adult cats. New studies show that FELV is almost never contracted by healthy adult cats, regardless of how many exposures or types of exposure the cat has. In new cases of FELV, it is almost always kittens under one year of age, or otherwise immunosupressed cats that catch it, such as cats that already have FIV. Most adult cats have developed a strong enough immune system that even if exposed to FELV, they never catch it, and if they catch it, they mount an effective immune response, and fight it off. So, if a healthy adult cat is exposed to the FELV virus, here are the three possibilities: 1. The cat is exposed, but has a strong immune system, and never catches the virus (most common). 2. The cat is exposed, contracts the virus, fights it off, and later re-tests negative. 3. The cat is exposed, catches the virus, and is a carrier. Number 3 has two possibilities under it: 1. The cat has the virus, but never gets sick from it, and there are never any outside signs of his being infected, other than he tests positive (he usually is not infectious to other cats, this is called a latent infection). 2. The cat has the virus, and becomes an active carrier, and gets sick from the virus, which eventually leads to it's death in may different varying forms (this is called persistently viremic). Most websites you will find have older info about FELV on them, and many still advocate a "test and euthanise" program to eliminate the virus. many websites have good info mixed with a bit of conservative older info, so take what you need from anything you find online, and leave the rest. Here are a few website that have predominately good info: http://www.fabcats.org/felv.html http://www.lbah.com/feline/felv.html http://www.bright.net/~zimm1/FightingFeLV/ http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/felv.html Many of us here have had mixed households now or in the past, with no cases of transmission from the positive cats to the negative ones (and I know for a fact that my positive and negative cats swapped spit all the time, in fact, Doobie, my negative, used to CLEAN my positive's nose and eyes when they would run). We speak from years of experience when we say that the infection rates you read about online or that your vet says are highly exaggerated and out of proportion with normal circumstances. So are the FELV+ life expectancies on most websites. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Chris,That makes me feel better. Thank you. Did you have to do anything other than the vaccinations for the negative kitties? The vet told me that it can be passed if they eat from the same food dish. I assume yours do, and no problems? You are right that the FIV requires a puncture bite, so I am more concerned about the FeLV. Thanks!Erika No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
CLS Monday June 13, 2005
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Muffie
How is she doing this week? I am so glad you took her in! t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I took Muffie to the vet, he sedated her and shaved her body left the fur around her face and head long. She looks like a little strange lion, but I know she feels better. She seems healthy and has calmed right down. She gets along great with my other babies. Some ignore her, some act like she has been here forever. I got up this morning and found her sleeping in a clothes hamper with my boy Spanky.She loves to be petted, but will not sit on your lap she will not get on the furniture either. I put her on my bed, the sofa, chairs even the counters and she will jump right down. I guess someone taught her not to, but maybe she will change in time when she sees my kitties sleeping anywhere they decide. She had what I thought was a lump on her side I was afraid it was a tumor or something. The doctor x-rayed and said she had some broken ribs that healed wrong. He thinks maybe she had been kicked in the past. I don't think she had a very good life before. The bad news is she tested positive for felv I will have her tested again in a couple months. My doctor knows I have other pos. and how I feel about the subject so he doesn't even bring pts up. He did that one time with my Charlie 3 years ago. I brought Charlie home I thought to die, but he is still healthy and happy at the ripe old age of 14 . Anyway I love Muffie already. I will probably even keep the name it seems to fit. Thank you and everyone here for all the good advice. Sheila <>
Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites
When I trap a feral for TNR, if they have earmites, they get Acarexx, (.01% Ivermectin) in the ear canal. I've had occasion to re-trap two cats that this was done with, at least a month later, with no signs of re-infestation. My mom's cat had a nasty case of earmites and we used the Acarexx on him, again, he didn't have to be re-dosed. I realize that the second dose is for the eggs, but in at least these three instances, one dose seems to have been enough. With ferals that's so very important. Once again, thanks for the specifics. I always feel better giving my charges something that has been proven to be safe and effective. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivermectin can be bought without a prescription at farm supply stores. It's sold as a cattle and pig wormer. I've been using the 1% solution made by Merck. The package says "ivomec injection". It comes in a 50ml bottle - so at .1 ml per adult, it'll last for about 500 doses. One of the things I like most about ivermectin is that you only have to use it once every 2 weeks - rather than every day for x# weeks.
Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites
Kathy, Thank you for the specifics on dosing the Ivermectin! It's going right in the file. I can't believe the regiment of med dispersement at your house, God bless you! How do you ever get to leave the house? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting ready to do the ear mite annihilation thing myself again. I use .1 ml Ivermectin and .9 ml water per adult injected, and with the few who are either very hard to inject or who have health problems that make me nervous about introducing more meds into their blood streams (I have two with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and get atenolol every day and baby aspirin every 3rd day, one of the two also has a seizure disorder and gets phenobarb for it twice a day, and I have another who has asthma and gets pred and aminophylline twice a day everyday) I use mineral oil instead of water (same amount) and use 1/2 ml per ear. With little ones, I divide 1ml by 8 (pounds - average weight of an adult cat) and use that amount per pound - weighing the kitten before giving it - basically .25ml (total)/2 pounds. I don't use it on kittens under 2 pounds as a rule, but if one had mites bad enough, I'd probably go with the appropriate dose of the mineral oil mixture in their ears.
Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites
BTW - I jumped in to the discussion after only reading one or two postings. I see that the doses and where to find it were already discussed. I have used it both injected and topically many times and have never had a bad reaction to it. I have 49 I'm treating now, and I've had over 200 individual cats since '97 who've used it - not to mention using it at the pet shop I used to work for (that's where I found out about it and the dose). Basically, if you don't know how a cat will react to it, go with the topical dosing rather than injecting it. The box I have says that there have been severe reactions to it in dogs including fatalities (I'm assuming it was injected in those cases at too high a dose).
Re: New Member
Title: Message Erika: I am also relatively new to this site (only since last week) and I have to say that I have learned that this group of individuals all should be blessed as they are a wealth of information and support. I just adopted a FeLV + kitten from a friend (she did not know he was) and totally devastated when I found out his condition from the vet. I have to admit it was this group that calmed me down and made me realize that Ziggy's diagnosis was not the end of the world. As they have told me you just have to stay strong and enjoy Tom (and the others) for as long as you can. I am of the belief that my Ziggy came into my life for a reason and while I do not know why yet it will come to me one day and I will forever be grateful it has. Niki - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hello Erika Welcome from me too, and thank you for caring for little Tom and and wanting to do the best for him. Don't worry---you will find a ton of support and info from the wonderful folks here just like I did/do. I agree with Tonya---best to keep them all indoors just now until they're re-tested. The first of my brood to be tested came up negative--then a few weeks later tested positive, even though nothing had changed -- ie she was still quarantined with her siblings. (The consensus is that the virus was still too new in her body to be detected by the first test.) I'll send you some info on nutrition privately (I don't want to fall foul of any copyright laws) that I found really useful when i was pointed to it. You'll get lots of other valuable input from other folks here too. Take care, and big hug to Tom! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New Member Hi Erika, Welcome the the list, although I'm sorry you had to find us. Right now it sounds like you're doing about all you can. How old is Tom? What ages are the others? If possible, I would keep them all inside for now. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and indoors. I would really love any ideas!Thank you so much!Erika Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser.http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Nice Vet
It is great to hear that Bramble is doing a bit better and I do think that you are much better off taking him to your regular vet. I will keep him in my prayers as always and sending him good vibes too Niki & Ziggy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Nice Vet Nina I didn't ask where that vet practised although I wish I had and took him there. Bramble's sight has restored anymore - he seems to see more when there is very little light but but not really see much at all when the light is on - I've kept the light down as much as possible for him - he is more comfortable then. When the light is on he sneezes a lot too. I am not taking him back to that vet - I'm too scared to take him as she just wants to put him to sleep - I will wait until his usual vet comes back from holiday - if I need to take him in the meantime I will find out where that guy is based and take him there. Erika - have you joined the FIV yahoo group too - not quite as active as this one but still good to have. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy and Minstrel
Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites
Ivermectin can be bought without a prescription at farm supply stores. It's sold as a cattle and pig wormer. I've been using the 1% solution made by Merck. The package says "ivomec injection". It comes in a 50ml bottle - so at .1 ml per adult, it'll last for about 500 doses. One of the things I like most about ivermectin is that you only have to use it once every 2 weeks - rather than every day for x# weeks.
Limping Kittens??
Am I confused, or did someone have a positive cat showing weakness in the rear legs? I saw this on another board. I don't know how old these kittens were, but old enough for s/n. tad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Yes--they pick up one of their paws--It is the calici virus--need to start them on clavamox and fluids..They usually run very high temps too and become lethargic--it is basically the kitty flu--sometimes they get it from the vaccines too if you use the ones with the adjuvant in them.AnnetteSHHS- Original Message - From: "morganelli728" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:07 PMSubject: [atlantarescue] Limping Kittens> Two weeks ago we took alot of kittens to a vet for s/neuter. The> 4 I took home w/me all came down with limping kitten syndrome> about 5 days later. A few days after that, another kitten that was> exposed to them got a mild case. This group was in a foster home> prior to going to the vet that had never had any animals before.> I'd like to know if anyone else has had this happen. thx Yahoo! Groups Links>> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlantarescue/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites
I'm getting ready to do the ear mite annihilation thing myself again. I use .1 ml Ivermectin and .9 ml water per adult injected, and with the few who are either very hard to inject or who have health problems that make me nervous about introducing more meds into their blood streams (I have two with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and get atenolol every day and baby aspirin every 3rd day, one of the two also has a seizure disorder and gets phenobarb for it twice a day, and I have another who has asthma and gets pred and aminophylline twice a day everyday) I use mineral oil instead of water (same amount) and use 1/2 ml per ear. With little ones, I divide 1ml by 8 (pounds - average weight of an adult cat) and use that amount per pound - weighing the kitten before giving it - basically .25ml (total)/2 pounds. I don't use it on kittens under 2 pounds as a rule, but if one had mites bad enough, I'd probably go with the appropriate dose of the mineral oil mixture in their ears.
Re: Fwd: Check out Fever in Cats
thanx for the fever website- nice and easy to understand the nitty gritty:) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 08:54:40 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Fwd: Check out Fever in Cats this is a good website on fevers. My mom sent it to me when Ginger had a high fever. Michelle --- Begin Message --- Click here: Fever in Cats --- End Message ---
yes-got injections
thanx michelle- sorry i was unclear- yes he did get dex & depo. he actually got dex 2 x today. my vet wanted me to do it every 12 hrs. he will have a third injection tomorrow morning. the fact that he has actually gotten worse even with the injections on board is why my bfriend and I haved decided on tomorrow night, actually since i wrote about the descision about tomorrow night he has gotten increasingly uncomfortable and is starting to look slightly distressed, i was just about to call the vet at her home and ask if i could give him something slightyl sedative. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 08:49:02 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh! Kristi, I hope that you will consider trying the dex and depo shots for at least a day or two before choosing euthanasia. They really can make a huge difference. It was unclear from your emails whether he got a dex shot today or not. If he got one and there is no response by tomorrow, then he is probably pretty bad. But if you have not tried it, I do not see a down side to trying it. I would try it in the morning if possible, along with a depo shot, and give him the day to see if there is any response at all to the dex. Just my opinion. We all have different thressholds for this stuff, at the end stages. Michelle
Re: New member - Erika
Erika, Have your Tinkerbell and Bernie had their shots? I've heard and read that too, about FeLV being spread by mutual grooming, sharing food dishes and litter boxes. I guess somewhere, somehow that was documented, but a lot of the folks on this list mix, myself included, and none of my negatives have turned up positive, (quick say a prayer!). There's no denying that keeping them separated is safer, but mine where mixed before I learned of my positives' status, (I don't think I'd have separated them anyway). If your house kitties haven't had their shots, I would definitely segregate them from Tom until they do, and for two weeks after. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie go outside? If they do, Tom is probably at greater health risk from them, then the other way around, (they could bring in illness from the outside world and infect Tom). If Tom is asymptomatic, (not showing any signs of illness), after having survived on the street for at least two years, then that's wonderful, and bodes well for him. What are the living arrangements now? Was Tom neutered before you brought him in? If he's intact, he'll be more likely to squabble with your other two. I also ask because the stress of surgery can be dangerous for our +s as well. Do Tinkerbell and Bernie get along with him? Is he already inside with the other cats? Take the transition slow, stress is a high risk factor for triggering problems with FeLV too. Welcome to the list and thank you for rescuing Tom, he's a lucky boy to have found you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, That makes me feel better. Thank you. Did you have to do anything other than the vaccinations for the negative kitties? The vet told me that it can be passed if they eat from the same food dish. I assume yours do, and no problems? You are right that the FIV requires a puncture bite, so I am more concerned about the FeLV. Thanks! Erika
Re: New member
Chris, That makes me feel better. Thank you. Did you have to do anything other than the vaccinations for the negative kitties? The vet told me that it can be passed if they eat from the same food dish. I assume yours do, and no problems? You are right that the FIV requires a puncture bite, so I am more concerned about the FeLV. Thanks! Erika My Big Boy was also a stray that I fed for about 2 years==Saw him every day, he was never sick so I was floored when he tested Pos for FELV (when I brought him in). I mix him &my other FELV with 3 other cats as the 4 others all lived with me together before I found out one was pos. I vaccinate the negs &had no problems. I don't know much about FIV but I understand it is even harder to transmit then FELV-requires deep bite wounds. but again, I'm not an expert. Chris When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Fwd: Check out Fever in Cats
this is a good website on fevers. My mom sent it to me when Ginger had a high fever. Michelle --- Begin Message --- Click here: Fever in Cats --- End Message ---
Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh!
Kristi, I hope that you will consider trying the dex and depo shots for at least a day or two before choosing euthanasia. They really can make a huge difference. It was unclear from your emails whether he got a dex shot today or not. If he got one and there is no response by tomorrow, then he is probably pretty bad. But if you have not tried it, I do not see a down side to trying it. I would try it in the morning if possible, along with a depo shot, and give him the day to see if there is any response at all to the dex. Just my opinion. We all have different thressholds for this stuff, at the end stages. Michelle
Re: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question
Hideyo- your experience seems similar to mine in regards to fevers of unknow origin, I just got so nervous because she was already on fever reducers. One of the 2 vets i work with actually does a samll amount of hollistic medicine and she feels as you spoke of. of fever's not always being bad and sometimes a bodies ways of healing itself, however when its my 6 week old i don't like them (yes i am whining) :) Thank you for all your advice and i love the hollistic thoughts on leukemia Kristi From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 06:15:37 EDT To: Subject: RE: 6 week old kitten fever question Hi, I have to share my experience that it's pretty common with "fevers with unknown cause" - I had about a dozen of my cats going through the same experience - all the blood work came back pretty normal, but some had a high fever over 106 - my vets couldn't figure out what's wrong with them and she is a very capable vet - it was probably some type of virus related - but all my cats had no other symptoms other than fever - that's why people usually want to blame on FIP as "fevers with unknown cause" is pretty common symptom for FIP - I was so scared every time when my cats get high fever because I always thought - oh no they have FIP - but fortunately that never really was the case - Also, from an alternative medicine stand point, high fever is not considered to be such as a bad thing if it does not last more than a few days (though I had some kitties who's fever did not go down over a week) - in their interpretation, it's animal's way of trying to deal with something internally, they are trying to fight off something - so my holistic vet always discourage to try to stop the fever with an antibiotic is not necessary the best thing - on the other hand - low fever is a very bad thing - I lost my little boy Henry - (possible to FIP, but I never confirmed) - his body was started shutting down, by the time I went to the emergency, his temp was down to 65 or something - I was so sad when he crossed - My baby, Anchovy's fever was up to 106.5, or higher, so high the thermometer did not even register - I freaked out and the vet put ice all over her - then she injected her the fever reducer - but she recovered within two weeks- with no antibiotics or anything. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet for your cat, scary. All that aside: http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_ca ts.html http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html 106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to online sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area that I have used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous, and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous. They did, however mention that it would be lower in a kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems. Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on 20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes again. STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down to below 103, because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning properly, it is possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating the fever once it gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103). A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been using have not helped, is Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help with fever, but is not approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her body has cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the dosage is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently approved for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her fever goes back up above 104. 103.2 is not really that bad at all. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.
Re: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
Of course my vet could answer that but it was 4 am. I actually knew that 105.8 was scary. The next morning i got to wondering if there was an exact point at which all cats had damage occuring or if there was a range and if it was individual to each cat- sorry about the misunderstanding i was over tired i must have worded things a bit out of whack. Actually she was on meloxicam (metacam-we've been using it for a while at my practice) as well as fluids for 4 days before her fever spiked like that- that's why I panicked so much, a fever spike while on fever reducing therapy - scared the daylights out of me. I wiped her with alcohol and put iced her just like you said I was up all night with her, slowly (very) it came down . Anyway that was saturday and as of sunday night her fever was gone as it remains today (mon night) so i guess the spike was just the fever's last try before we conquered :) Thank you for your concern, I appreciate everyone's ideas and suggestions- I like to hear all your ideas it helps me to better understand all the options out there. Kristi From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 01:04:13 EDT To: Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet for your cat, scary. All that aside: http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_cats.html http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html 106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to online sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area that I have used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous, and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous. They did, however mention that it would be lower in a kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems. Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on 20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes again. STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down to below 103, because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning properly, it is possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating the fever once it gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103). A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been using have not helped, is Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help with fever, but is not approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her body has cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the dosage is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently approved for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her fever goes back up above 104. 103.2 is not really that bad at all. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: New member
My Big Boy was also a stray that I fed for about 2 years==Saw him every day, he was never sick so I was floored when he tested Pos for FELV (when I brought him in). I mix him & my other FELV with 3 other cats as the 4 others all lived with me together before I found out one was pos. I vaccinate the negs & had no problems. I don’t know much about FIV but I understand it is even harder to transmit then FELV-requires deep bite wounds… but again, I’m not an expert. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:24 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New member Tonya, We think Tom is about 3. He has been hanging around our house for about a year and a half, and has never looked like he was sick. We found out about the FeLV and FIV when we took him to see about having him come in permanantly. Tinkerbelle, our female, is 6 and Bernie, the other boy is 4. I would love to know more about anyone's experiences with Interferon, or Vitamin C treatments. Thanks again! Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Re: Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh!
i have tried all that- he quit baby food 2 yesterday, the milk replacer he stopped eating a couple days ago...you get the picture- My boyfriend and i have decided that tomorrow evening we will bring him to the vet. tonight for the first time he seems uncomfortable- no very but enough- he keeps shifting positions aand getting up only to lay back down a foot away. He is very pale too. He did just drink a few sppons of tuna juice. I have found that he takes food off the floor not out of the dish- that's been going on all week. he won't let me pet him anymore he pulls away :( thanks for your thoughts it has helped and i think Val and i are both coming to piece with the fact that it is indeed his time. Yes the fever kitten is here- I adopted her 2 days before he got sick as a playmate for him, because although he has his special girl he was my wild one and he loved babies, he would father them and play for hours. It is so ironic 2 days later his symptoms started and its been a total of only a week. Matilda (his girl is close with her sister as well so she should be ok its just sad because they had a special bond, now that I think of it she actually relies heavily on all the other kitties because she is sooo timid. again thank you all for your support Kristi From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 02:55:34 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh! Kristi, I'm sorry to hear Val is not improving. Have you tried salmon oil sprinkled on top of babyfood, or milk replacer, to entice him to eat? Sometimes warming food will bring out the aroma enough to get them interested. Gypsy likes it when I lightly stroke her when she's thinking about eating, even just sitting near her seems to help. They're all so different. I hope somehow he'll rally and it isn't his time after all, but if it is, did you speak to the vet you work with about some sort of sedative to give him if his passing becomes difficult? I understand your concern for his best kitty friend. When I lost Jazz I was concerned for both Grace and Kimba. Grace because Jazz and she were best friends, and Kimba because no one else was ever nice to him except Jazz. Gypsy surprised me by befriending Kimba after Jazz was gone, dynamics seem to have a way of shifting and compensating, Is the little kitty that had the fever staying with you? Blessings to you and everyone in the household, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >her dose oif flagyl was so small I actually compounded the med into a flavored >liquid for her- she stikll hates it, but its only for 5 days, so we're already >almost done. and her fever is still down today- so its official we won!!! > >on the other hand Val is worse, started the dex injection today and I'm going >to give him sq fluids, other than that I've just been trying to get him to >eat, he won't even lick tuna juice and I've tried all the mixes i've read >about on here before so...I had a talk with him this morning and let him know >that whenever he is ready its ok, i think its soon. I wish he would fall >asleep here with his borthers and sisiters, it would be so nice for him, they >love him so much and one in particular is so attached to him I concerned for >her after, she has the others though so hopefully she'll understand. >sadly, Kristi > > >>From: "Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 01:15:22 EDT >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Subject: Re: fever down! >> >>Kristi >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> >>>well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd >>>antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others >>>great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a >>>single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and >>>starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you >>>know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Flagyl (or also called Metronidazole) is exceptionally horrid >>tasting. Makes cats foam at the mouth and makes them fight taking it. >>I put the tablet in a #1 empty gel cap (by the box at Walmart Pharmacy) >>so that the pill does not touch the mouth. Or you can coat it with >>butter or lightly with velveeta and get it down fast to camouflage the >>taste. Just a couple of suggestions. So happy her fever is down. >>Sending healing positive thoughts and prayers for your new baby. >> >>-- >> >> Brenda. >> >> http://www.whiskersandwicks.com >> http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith >> >>"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - >>Colette >> >>Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>No viru
Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats
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Re: dex/elspar- learned alot today...
Kristi, is there any way that your vet can consult with an oncologist, or that you can see one? Though it would probably take a long time to get an appointment with one and I know Val needs treatment right away if he has a chance of responding. I ask because I can share the protocol my oncologist used, but he varied it due to Simon's particular problems at any given time-- largely liver problems, which prevented him from getting some of the drugs at certain times and necessitated other drugs. So, here is some info: 1. You are right that Elspar and Cytoxan are usually given as part of a longer protocol that also involves Vincristine and Adriamycin. I still think that it would be worth just using the Elspar and Cytoxan even without the others, though, if Val can not get IV injections, because they sometimes put cats into remission on their own (less likely, I think, at Stage V, which I think you said Val has? Stage V means in the bone marrow, in which case he would have anemia and low white blood cell count as well-- does he?) Elspar reactions are very rare, I think-- my oncologist did not do the benadryl even, but it would not hurt. Elspar does not have any side effects at all normally, because it is the one chemo drug that only attacks lymphoma and no other cells in the body. Cytoxan can sometimes cause temporary vomiting a day or two later, but often does not. 2. Simon's protocol was he got Elspar and a dex shot one week, then Vincristine the next, then Cytoxan, then I think Vincristine again. After week three he was in partial remission and acting almost normal, with decent blood values. After week four his liver values went too high to get Adriamycin, which was the week 5 drug. That is when he got only a lot of steroids, which brought his liver values down a lot but still not quite low enough for Adriamycin. So he got CCNU instead, which got him to the point of totally running around, eating a lot, gaining weight, and acting normal and happy. The next week his liver values were almost normal so he got Adriamycin, and a few days later he had an auto-immune reaction where he quickly killed off all his red blood cells and died of anemia. He was on prednisone the first 4 weeks and then switched to dex and depo shots. I think the normal protocol is prednisone plus the following order of drugs on a weekly basis: Elspar, Vincristine, Cytoxan, Vincristine, Adriamycin, then 2-3 weeks of no drugs after the Adriamycin, then another set but maybe in a different order. 3. I always have done the dex and depo shots at the same time. I learned this protocol from a vet who is a friend of a friend, whose clinic does this with all terminal cats who do not get chemo. She has seen some cats live for 6 months with lymphoma just with these steroid shots, feeling good, which is pretty amazing. My oncologist at first did not want to do it because of steroid side effects, but he did research and found that cats in various studies have tolerated incredibly high-- much higher than this-- amounts of steroids without any short-term side effects at all. Long-term side effects include potential diabetes (which is usually corrected by stopping the steroids) and thinning of the skin, but these occur only after many months, generally. Right now you will be lucky for Val to live a few months feeling good, and if he can get over that hurdle you can try to wean him off the shots later. That is my feeling, anyway. 4. The dex shots last only about 24 hours or so, but they shrink the lymphoma a lot sometimes in that 24 hours. The depo shot is given at the same time because it does not usually kick in for at least 24 hours, and sometimes not for three days or so. It can last up to a month, but with cats who are as sick as Val it usually does not last that long. You might have to repeat the depo shot weekly or every two weeks, and when Val gets worse it might last only a few days. You give a new shot when the symptoms that went away come back. It might be that the shots do not help Val at all. But they really made my cats with lymphoma feel a whole lot better, at least for a while. I knew that they were dying when I gave them the shots and they did not respond to them at all. And then it was very quick. In my experience the shots tend to make them feel almost ok, if not ok, until they are very very close to the end, and thereby lessen the time at the end that they are really bad. Hope this helps. My thoughts are with you. Michelle In a message dated 6/13/05 5:45:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I talked to one of my vets today and we are going to start Val on dex injections tomorrow morning. She said she didn't start him on it in the beginning because she does not like the longterm side effects, so I was mistaken on the reason why. I also asked her about Elsparshe actually was involved in setting up a protocol
RE: 6 week old kitten fever question
Hi, I have to share my experience that it’s pretty common with “fevers with unknown cause” – I had about a dozen of my cats going through the same experience – all the blood work came back pretty normal, but some had a high fever over 106 – my vets couldn’t figure out what’s wrong with them and she is a very capable vet – it was probably some type of virus related – but all my cats had no other symptoms other than fever – that’s why people usually want to blame on FIP as “fevers with unknown cause” is pretty common symptom for FIP – I was so scared every time when my cats get high fever because I always thought – oh no they have FIP – but fortunately that never really was the case – Also, from an alternative medicine stand point, high fever is not considered to be such as a bad thing if it does not last more than a few days (though I had some kitties who’s fever did not go down over a week) – in their interpretation, it’s animal’s way of trying to deal with something internally, they are trying to fight off something – so my holistic vet always discourage to try to stop the fever with an antibiotic is not necessary the best thing – on the other hand – low fever is a very bad thing – I lost my little boy Henry – (possible to FIP, but I never confirmed) – his body was started shutting down, by the time I went to the emergency, his temp was down to 65 or something – I was so sad when he crossed – My baby, Anchovy’s fever was up to 106.5, or higher, so high the thermometer did not even register – I freaked out and the vet put ice all over her – then she injected her the fever reducer – but she recovered within two weeks- with no antibiotics or anything. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet for your cat, scary. All that aside: http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_cats.html http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html 106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to online sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area that I have used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous, and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous. They did, however mention that it would be lower in a kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems. Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on 20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes again. STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down to below 103, because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning properly, it is possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating the fever once it gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103). A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been using have not helped, is Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help with fever, but is not approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her body has cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the dosage is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently approved for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her fever goes back up above 104. 103.2 is not really that bad at all. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere.
Nice Vet
Nina I didn't ask where that vet practised although I wish I had and took him there. Bramble's sight has restored anymore - he seems to see more when there is very little light but but not really see much at all when the light is on - I've kept the light down as much as possible for him - he is more comfortable then. When the light is on he sneezes a lot too. I am not taking him back to that vet - I'm too scared to take him as she just wants to put him to sleep - I will wait until his usual vet comes back from holiday - if I need to take him in the meantime I will find out where that guy is based and take him there. Erika - have you joined the FIV yahoo group too - not quite as active as this one but still good to have. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy and Minstrel
Re: New member
Tonya, We think Tom is about 3. He has been hanging around our house for about a year and a half, and has never looked like he was sick. We found out about the FeLV and FIV when we took him to see about having him come in permanantly. Tinkerbelle, our female, is 6 and Bernie, the other boy is 4. I would love to know more about anyone's experiences with Interferon, or Vitamin C treatments. Thanks again! Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Drugs given to TeeCee
I was wondering if anyone here can look at some picturse of the meds they gave TeeCee when he was so sick and see how much is in the syringes? I had some problems and this looks like way more drugs than he ws supposed to have. Steph
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
I did, but I haven't had a reply. catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Susan, Did you email the man directly? I have lost his email addy. tSusan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info & advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti
Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh!
Kristi, I'm sorry to hear Val is not improving. Have you tried salmon oil sprinkled on top of babyfood, or milk replacer, to entice him to eat? Sometimes warming food will bring out the aroma enough to get them interested. Gypsy likes it when I lightly stroke her when she's thinking about eating, even just sitting near her seems to help. They're all so different. I hope somehow he'll rally and it isn't his time after all, but if it is, did you speak to the vet you work with about some sort of sedative to give him if his passing becomes difficult? I understand your concern for his best kitty friend. When I lost Jazz I was concerned for both Grace and Kimba. Grace because Jazz and she were best friends, and Kimba because no one else was ever nice to him except Jazz. Gypsy surprised me by befriending Kimba after Jazz was gone, dynamics seem to have a way of shifting and compensating, Is the little kitty that had the fever staying with you? Blessings to you and everyone in the household, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: her dose oif flagyl was so small I actually compounded the med into a flavored liquid for her- she stikll hates it, but its only for 5 days, so we're already almost done. and her fever is still down today- so its official we won!!! on the other hand Val is worse, started the dex injection today and I'm going to give him sq fluids, other than that I've just been trying to get him to eat, he won't even lick tuna juice and I've tried all the mixes i've read about on here before so...I had a talk with him this morning and let him know that whenever he is ready its ok, i think its soon. I wish he would fall asleep here with his borthers and sisiters, it would be so nice for him, they love him so much and one in particular is so attached to him I concerned for her after, she has the others though so hopefully she'll understand. sadly, Kristi From: "Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 01:15:22 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fever down! Kristi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi Flagyl (or also called Metronidazole) is exceptionally horrid tasting. Makes cats foam at the mouth and makes them fight taking it. I put the tablet in a #1 empty gel cap (by the box at Walmart Pharmacy) so that the pill does not touch the mouth. Or you can coat it with butter or lightly with velveeta and get it down fast to camouflage the taste. Just a couple of suggestions. So happy her fever is down. Sending healing positive thoughts and prayers for your new baby. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: New Member
Title: Message Hello Erika Welcome from me too, and thank you for caring for little Tom and and wanting to do the best for him. Don't worry---you will find a ton of support and info from the wonderful folks here just like I did/do. I agree with Tonya---best to keep them all indoors just now until they're re-tested. The first of my brood to be tested came up negative--then a few weeks later tested positive, even though nothing had changed -- ie she was still quarantined with her siblings. (The consensus is that the virus was still too new in her body to be detected by the first test.) I'll send you some info on nutrition privately (I don't want to fall foul of any copyright laws) that I found really useful when i was pointed to it. You'll get lots of other valuable input from other folks here too. Take care, and big hug to Tom! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New Member Hi Erika, Welcome the the list, although I'm sorry you had to find us. Right now it sounds like you're doing about all you can. How old is Tom? What ages are the others? If possible, I would keep them all inside for now. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and indoors. I would really love any ideas!Thank you so much!Erika Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser.http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Vitamin C questions (taste)
Try sodium ascorbate form of V-C – this is the only format that my cats will eat with the food – it doesn’t’ taste bad at all –I sprinkle on their dry food and they eat with no problem, which is excellent – is impossible to do with other type of V-C – they all taste awful! You used to see this form of V-C at every health store – now it’s very hard to find – I usually get it on line – here’s the link – http://www.iherb.com/cpowdersn.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions (taste) I tried to use powdered Vit C, it's the Extra-C brand: http://store.yahoo.com/healthforyourpet/xtinviccopob.html But it tastes HORRIBLE, and I can barely make myself eat it without gagging... and was never able to get much inside a cat either. Do they all taste this bad? Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
Re: Flagil - Metronidazole tastes bad!
That had occurred to me too! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MANY things made in Mexico really aren't what they claim to be. That may be why it didn't taste like Flagil... because it WASN'T! It's a huge problem down there, they have no authority over these things, so anyone can make anything and called it anything down there. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: New Member
Welcome to the group. I'm one of the ones here that does not feel it is necessary to separate FELV+ and negative healthy adult cats. I can give you my personal mixed house-hold story if it will help you come to a decision about it, let me know if you want to hear it. Are the other two cats in your household adults and healthy, and testing negative for FIV? The rest of your questions, I'm sure others will answer in detail once you give them more info. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: Vitamin C questions (taste)
I tried to use powdered Vit C, it's the Extra-C brand: http://store.yahoo.com/healthforyourpet/xtinviccopob.html But it tastes HORRIBLE, and I can barely make myself eat it without gagging... and was never able to get much inside a cat either. Do they all taste this bad? Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: New Member
Hi Erika, Welcome the the list, although I'm sorry you had to find us. Right now it sounds like you're doing about all you can. How old is Tom? What ages are the others? If possible, I would keep them all inside for now. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and indoors. I would really love any ideas!Thank you so much!Erika
Re: Grace Update & IA for mouth problems
Here's a good germ killing mouth rinse for using for gum flare ups when infection is a concern: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=2996&N=2002+22759 It's a chlorhexidine solution. Might be good in addition to the Interferon (but don't give them at the same time, cause this may wash away the Interferon or kill it's active ingredients) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re:she's better, he's worse- aargh!
Kristi, I hope Val goes peacefully as well. Until then I hope you can keep him comfortable. Hugs to you both. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: her dose oif flagyl was so small I actually compounded the med into a flavored liquid for her- she stikll hates it, but its only for 5 days, so we're already almost done. and her fever is still down today- so its official we won!!!on the other hand Val is worse, started the dex injection today and I'm going to give him sq fluids, other than that I've just been trying to get him to eat, he won't even lick tuna juice and I've tried all the mixes i've read about on here before so...I had a talk with him this morning and let him know that whenever he is ready its ok, i think its soon. I wish he would fall asleep here with his borthers and sisiters, it would be so nice for him, they love him so much and one in particular is so attached to him I concerned for her after, she has the others though so hopefully she'll understand. sadly, Kristi> > From: "Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 01:15:22 EDT> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: fever down!> > Kristi> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > >well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi> > > >> Flagyl (or also called Metronidazole) is exceptionally horrid > tasting. Makes cats foam at the mouth and makes them fight taking it. > I put the tablet in a #1 empty gel cap (by the box at Walmart Pharmacy) > so that the pill does not touch the mouth. Or you can coat it with > butter or lightly with velveeta and get it down fast to camouflage the > taste. Just a couple of suggestions. So happy her fever is down. > Sending healing positive thoughts and prayers for your new baby.> > -- > > Brenda.> > http://www.whiskersandwicks.com> http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith > > "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette> > Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: for Niki: Information
You can't use any stationary or send any pictures because it makes your messages too big. That's one reason why that might have happened. OR.. You might have a computer virus that is attaching itself to your emails. That's worst case scenario though. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Hi Kerry, I also have one other quick question regarding tech stuff and the website - I got a message saying the moderator had to approve my last email as it was too big... do you know what that is about? Niki No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: she's better, he's worse- aargh!
Kristi, could you give her liver shake with a syringe – I had to give it that way to Ginger when she stopped eating for two weeks – I will be praying for your baby! Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh! Kristi, I am so sorry about Val. The dex usually takes a few hours to kick in. I am hoping that it has some effect on him. Are you doing a depo shot too, or keeping him on pred? Have you tried the liver shake? Some cats will eat that when they will not eat anything else. Also, sometimes syringing a little bit of food makes them want to eat-- it gets them started. Sometimes sour cream works when nothing else does too. Or deli slices of turkey or ham or roast beef. And sometimes nothing works. Please let us know how he does. I will keep thinking about him and you. Michelle In a message dated 6/13/05 10:57:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on the other hand Val is worse, started the dex injection today and I'm going to give him sq fluids, other than that I've just been trying to get him to eat, he won't even lick tuna juice and I've tried all the mixes i've read about on here before so...I had a talk with him this morning and let him know that whenever he is ready its ok, i think its soon. I wish he would fall asleep here with his borthers and sisiters, it would be so nice for him, they love him so much and one in particular is so attached to him I concerned for her after, she has the others though so hopefully she'll understand. sadly, Kristi
Re: Please send good energy Grace's way
Thank you Carla. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending healing vibes and thoughts towards Grace Carla
Re: Bramble
Michelle, Bramble and your family are in my thoughts and prayers, he's such a fighter! Can you tell if his sight is still slowly improving? Thank goodness his seizures seem to have stopped. I had read that not covering feces in the litter box can be indicative of status, (lower ranking kitties tend to bury deeper), my Queen Ursula has never covered up! If he's always left his 'calling card' in plain sight, it may not have anything to do with his feeling poorly. Thank you for passing the info on from that nice vet you met. (Did you ask him where he normally practices??). It does makes sense not to apply flea meds of any kind near an injection site, or open wound, but I wouldn't have known how dangerous it was without your warning. I certainly won't use any on my feral GG when I dose her for her earmites, she's scratched the side of her neck open! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy & Minstrel
Newest replies about Angel Wings FELV+ cats (attn. Tad)
I also have an offer to foster a large group of FELV+ cats from one of our members in Vermont: Super This is the concern. A positive test is a quick death sentence and even for the negatives that are running free with the positives. We won't euthanize them if you can find them a foster or permanent home. Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about?? Not really. We only know that out of 11 adult cats taken from Angel Wings, one male has tested positive for aids. There are about 50 more cats at the sanctuary. Is Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in TN? Yes, their web page is www.peacefulkingdom.org And Kara and Holly? Holly runs the Stray Connection. Kara is a volunteer with the Stray Connection and an Angel Wings board member. Five rescue groups, including the SC and PK, are working together to help save the Angel Wings cats. We asked for donations to go to PK since that group is the most neutral as far as Rehnee is concerned. I think now, what we need to get an idea of, is about how many cats you predict will test FELV+, so I can give Tad an estimate and see if he has enough room for them all, and we need to think about arranging transportation. There is absolutely no way to predict this, which I know is frustrating. As long as we don't get any Felv positive cats, the odds are that the numbers will be low. But we've only just beginning to take cats out. How far are any of your local volunteers willing to drive north? Have no idea but I could send an e-mail to all east TN rescue groups and see if anyone is going that way. Holly The Stray Connection Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Flagil - Metronidazole tastes bad!
Kristi and the users of Met, When Gypsy first had Flagil prescribed for her IBD symptoms, we got the tablet. It most certainly is horrid tasting. I know because nothing goes in my babies before I taste it myself. I'm here to tell you; yuk. So, I got it compounded and flavored. Mostly because I'm a good mom, and also because Gypsy was still way to feral to pill. I had to find something that she would eat. The stuff I got compounded didn't go over very big either. (Although I did learn about double-banana flavor cutting bitterness). I stumbled on some Flagil liquid from my house-call vet; he picks it up in Mexico. I was very pleasantly surprised, it's actually kind of sweet, and Gypsy will eat it mixed in her food. When I pressed my vet about how they got this Flagil to taste good, I didn't get any real answers. I'd like to know how we could all order it, (of course with a prescription, Jenn), for ourselves. I could press him further by telling him we need to know the secret for other sick babies. If anyone is interested, let me know. My brood should be able to continue to get it through our current "source". Has anyone else heard of ordering through Mexico for better tasting Flagil? Nina Brenda K. Smith wrote: Kristi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi Flagyl (or also called Metronidazole) is exceptionally horrid tasting. Makes cats foam at the mouth and makes them fight taking it. I put the tablet in a #1 empty gel cap (by the box at Walmart Pharmacy) so that the pill does not touch the mouth. Or you can coat it with butter or lightly with velveeta and get it down fast to camouflage the taste. Just a couple of suggestions. So happy her fever is down. Sending healing positive thoughts and prayers for your new baby. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Grace Update & IA for mouth problems
Hi guys, Thank you so much for the prayers and good wishes for Grace. She's feeling better today and I'm guardedly optimistic. I've got her on Interferon A and Transfer Factor (animal stress formula). I just ordered some feline complete TF, I'll let you know what I think. I don't know what's been ailing my crew lately. Speaking of the Interferon A... Has anyone used that for gingivitis flare ups, or stomatitis? If the oral is better at targeting the upper respiratory system because it's absorbed through the mouth, then it would seem that it would help control problems in the mouth. Barbara Baas, are you reading? Are you currently using Interferon A for Samson? Belinda, do you use IA with Bailey? Michelle, how about you and Ginger? Are you people using it periodically for flare ups, or are you using the 7 day pulse protocol? I'm thinking of saving it for when Grace has flare ups. She usually has problems with her gums right before she comes down with something. Maybe it will not only help her mouth, but help build her immunities to ward off whatever might be developing. Thanks again everyone for your concern, Nina
Re: Bramble
That's WONDERFUL Michelle, I'm so happy for you! I can see the injection site warning if your vet is still going against the recommended vaccine site locations, and doing them in the scruff, the topical spot on flea meds would be applied in the same spot. Scary indeed! We MUST get the proper vaccine location information out there to ALL vets! I will NEVER buy another vial of revolution after all of this happening to Bramble and that vet saying that reactions are so common, but not taken seriously! It's very scary. Can you contact THAT vet that said that and make sure he knows of all the sites I sent you where these reactions need to be reported? Maybe at least HE would do the proper reports, since he seems aware of the need! Can you make him your regular vet? He sounds like a good one. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't seen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after flea meds but there's no proof so many companies and vet dismiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats
Hi Jenn Yes..I am in VT too..Mt.Holly..About 15 miles SE of Rutland on Rt 103... My garage is connected to the house via a screened in breeze way and I keep the 7 FeLV+ cats in the room that connects to the breeze way so its not a big problem to use the garage during warm weatherThat should at least give us some time to sort them out as to their future...I don't want to commit to keeping them all forever if there is a lot of them...I am really pushing the limits now with my 27...The cats don't have a problem but its a full time jobI think I mentioned I am retired Anyway that leaves me free at any time to respond to this..but with the animals here I don't stay away overnight or over 20 hours...I would be willing to travel as far as Newburg NY which is at the northern tip of NJ...I84 and I87...Someone coming from Tenn. might want to come across I80 Thats going to be the big problem I suspectI wonder if any of your connections down that way can work on that??? OK...keep in touch Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, guys, I worked a long 10 hour day yesterday, and didn't get online, I'm back on it today! :) That's great Tad, and this has always been my concern, the rescue of the FELV+ cats from this "rescue". I will pass your letter on to Kara and Holly (those are the two local rescue ladies who have direct contact with the AW case). Peaceful Kingdom is the rescue in TN that is working to save as many of the AW cats as possible (but they don't say their intended fate for the pos kitties). I THINK that Kara and Holly work for them, but I am not sure of that, I will ask how they are connected, and I believe I have already invited at least one of them to the group, but I will ask them again. Your very generous offer to use your garage will be well received, and they very well may need to take you up on the offer. I'm here in VT too, Tad, and if you need any help, I am more than happy to come lend a hand. (I'm in Hardwick, not sure I remember your location, though I recall you're also in VT, right?). I have not gone through my email from yesterday yet, I'm sure I have an update from Holly or Kara in there somewhere, I'll send it to the list when I find it (I get individual emails for about 20 lists, so I have a LOT to go through yet, I read yours first) Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Jenn I just want to say that now I am very much behind this letter...This is the concern...A pos test is a quick death sentence and even for the negatives that are running free with the pos Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about ?? Is Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in Tenn.?? And Kara and Holly ??? Is there anyway we could get them to join us ??? I have a Yahoo group already in place that we started a year ago for a place to handle a similar problem of transportation and temp foster etc. and anyone is welcome to join it if its felt that this is getting too much for this list Come to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/ to join... Also I have a garage that could house a large number of positives for the summer and I would be willing to pick them up at Newburg NY..(intersection of I87 and I80)...Still a very long way from Tenn. though No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: Re: FIP
Please do - I will be sending a healing energy for your kitties! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Re: FIP thank you that info was great, her fever is gone, but i'm stll taking her in for some routine bloodwork because she is still always sleeping and very quiet- she doesn't play at all. I'm pretty sure she just needs to put some weight in and get her strength back- but better safe than sorry. I'll let you all know what her blood work says. From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 12:02:26 EDT To: Subject: RE: Re: FIP Kristi, there is a really active support group for FIP - they are many many supportive educated people on the list - you might want to visit tem (it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think - Also, you might want to visit the below website - this is the excellent website for FIP - there is a doctor called, Dr. Addie who has dedicated her last two decades to FIP research - she is at University of Glasgow - she is a very caring person as far as I can tell. There is really no 100% accurate diagnostic method until after the fact, but it gives you lots of information as many of FIP symptoms are similar to lots of other illness which can be treatable - also recently dr. Addie reported in her newsletter that 25% of FIP cases had a success treating them with Interferon as well - if you send a blood sample she can run blood analysis (they look at combinations of different things)whether the kitty has FIP or not - I think 75% or 80 % of samples sent to her ended up not being FIP according to her blood analysis. I have many corona virus kitties, so I educated my self at lot on this subject for the past several years - the fever could be something else - please don't worry - I have kittens who developed 106 or 107 fever for a week or more and I was very worried, but ended up not being FIP (it happened to several of my kitties) I pray that your kitty will get better very very soon. Dr. Addie's website on FIP http://www.dr-addie.com/ \ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Re: FIP thanx all for the great info. I feel better about my cats being exsposed to her but am still concerned as to wether or not she has FIP. It almost temp taking time I'll let you know. Kristi > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karolyn Lount) > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:12:39 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: FIP > > Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and > was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down. > I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my > knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did they were able > to fight it off. My Vet told me it would be a waste of my money to have > them tested for it. He told me if they did have it there was nothing I > could do about it. Many cats are able to fight it off and they might end > up being a carrier. That was 10yrs. ago and todate I have not had a cat > show signs of having it. > >
Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
I'd say, if the vet you work for can't answer that, I'd find a new vet for your cat, scary. All that aside: http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Fever_in_Cats/fever_in_cats.html http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/health8.html 106.5 seems to be the point of critical injury and seizures according to online sources, but I called two different vet offices in my local area that I have used in the past, one said anything above 105 is dangerous, and the other said anything in the range of 105.5 to 106 is dangerous. They did, however mention that it would be lower in a kitten, where anything over 104.5 could cause damage to their delicate systems. Have you tried wiping her paws with some rubbing alcohol and keeping her on an ice pack (make sure you flip her every 5 minutes and rotate her on 20 minutes and off 15 minutes)? I'm assuming she is limp and unwiulling to move on her own, correct? Cool IV fluids would also help. Your vet could also do cool water enemas in the office if the temp spikes again. STOP all cooling measures when the temperature gets down to below 103, because the cooling system of the cat is not functioning properly, it is possible to send the cat into hypothermia if you keep treating the fever once it gets down into the safe zone (anything below 103). A possibility, if the drugs your vet has been using have not helped, is Metacam. It's newly approved for cats, and can help with fever, but is not approved for long term use. You would need to be sure her body has cleared all the previous drugs first (at least 24 hours), and the dosage is VERY small. As your vet about it. It's called Metacam, the drug name is meloxicam. It's been approved for dogs for some time, just recently approved for felines for short term use. I wouldn't do anything much unless her fever goes back up above 104. 103.2 is not really that bad at all. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: for Niki: Information
Title: Message Hi Niki, I think they were probably 6 months old when I got them started (they were about 3-4 months old when they found me). I don't know if there's a minimum age for starting them on interferon-- (maybe someone else can clue us in please?!) Re your moderator message, actually I got the same automated message the first time I emailed you. So I cancelled it, cut out a couple of the archive emails I had attached, and just sent the ones that were particularly specific to your Qs. I think possibly because you were responding to my long email, adding your email tipped it over the edge again. Don't worry about it--it does NOT mean you can't ask as many Qs as you want to! I'll send you directly (for copyright reasons) some material re nutrition that I found really helpful and have sent to others. Meantime sending good wishes your and Ziggy's way Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholena RushtonSent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: for Niki: Information Hi Kerry, Thanks for the info. how soon did you start them on the interferon? Ziggy is about 9 weeks old... I am also grateful to find this group as I was completely overwhelmed when I first found out and then began researching it on the web... I also have one other quick question regarding tech stuff and the website - I got a message saying the moderator had to approve my last email as it was too big... do you know what that is about? Niki - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: for Niki: Information Hi Niki Welcome, and you have definitely come to the right place. As I'm not a seasoned member, I hesitate to give you answers directly to your Qs. But just in case it's a slow day (weekends can be slow) and you don't get direct responses quickly, I've pulled up some excellent, recent info (in response to Qs like your own) from some of our members who ARE extremely knowledgeable (scroll down). In answer to your first Q, my vet prescribed the interferon I got for my FeLV brood, Walgreen's obtained it for me, and my vet then diluted it. The cost of the inteferon --enough to last a year for my 5 cats--was $49. Never apologize for asking questions--ask as many as you like. You won't find a more supportive, generous and knowledgeable bunch of people than the members of this weblist. It's been a godsend for me. And, good luck with your kitty---I'm sending him lots of positive healing vibes. Ziggy is lucky to have found such a caring mom. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholena RushtonSent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Information Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an indoor cat only. Would the vet be the one to prescribe the interferon? Would this boost his immune system? Alos the vet gave him "kitty shots" and now I am wondering if I should continue with his next round when I take him back to the vet as I am now wondering if these vacs are going to compromise his immune system. Do you have any info regarding this? I apologize in advance for asking so many questions but I trying to do what is best for Ziggy and do not want to compromise what health he has right now. NikiMayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser.http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: fever down!
Hey, that's great - glad to hear she's doing better! Gloria At 08:56 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah > > From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 09:46:17 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her! > > tonya > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( > > I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! > I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. > Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. > Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, > Kristi > > >
Re: she's better, he's worse- aargh!
Kristi, I am so sorry about Val. The dex usually takes a few hours to kick in. I am hoping that it has some effect on him. Are you doing a depo shot too, or keeping him on pred? Have you tried the liver shake? Some cats will eat that when they will not eat anything else. Also, sometimes syringing a little bit of food makes them want to eat-- it gets them started. Sometimes sour cream works when nothing else does too. Or deli slices of turkey or ham or roast beef. And sometimes nothing works. Please let us know how he does. I will keep thinking about him and you. Michelle In a message dated 6/13/05 10:57:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on the other hand Val is worse, started the dex injection today and I'm going to give him sq fluids, other than that I've just been trying to get him to eat, he won't even lick tuna juice and I've tried all the mixes i've read about on here before so...I had a talk with him this morning and let him know that whenever he is ready its ok, i think its soon. I wish he would fall asleep here with his borthers and sisiters, it would be so nice for him, they love him so much and one in particular is so attached to him I concerned for her after, she has the others though so hopefully she'll understand. sadly, Kristi
RE: thank you
I'm so sorry to hear about your male kitty, Kristi. I'm glad he's in such wonderful hands for the rest of his life, however long that might be. big hugs to you and kitty, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: thank you > I just want to thank you all for your responses we are having many problems (with leuk) right now and she is just topping off my plate right now. Just hearing others ideas is noce even if I've already tried/thought about them it means I'm thinking on the right tract and it is very nice support. I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood supply. I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and support. Again thank you the support is so wonderful, Kristi Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser. http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp";>http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Admin: Gentle reminder
Agreed---a huge and heartfelt thank you to ALL of you. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James G. Wilson Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Admin: Gentle reminder Thanks Kerry (and everyone who wrote privately). Your kind words are much appreciated. I hope y'all will please join me in taking this opportunity to also salute others who've made this list and project what it is today. Belinda Sauro, Joan Doljan and Brenda Smith (among others) have dedicated untold amounts of time, effort and energy to ensuring that this project fulfills its goals. They, and everyone who cares for FeLV+ fur-friends, are the real heroes here. Best wishes, and my deepest heartfelt thanks to you all. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser. http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp";>http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: fever down!
That is so good to hear, Kristi! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fever down! or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah > > From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 09:46:17 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her! > > tonya > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( > > I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! > I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. > Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. > Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, > Kristi > > > Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser. http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp";>http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: fever down!
Kristi, that is such great news. Please keep us updated. You must be breathing a huge tentative sigh of relief. The antibiotics themselves can keep her feeling a bit under the weather and tired, if she is already weak and thin. The grooming is a very good sign. Michelle In a message dated 6/13/05 12:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi>
Re: FIP - Good Explanation
Thanks - interesting article - note re developing FIP: genetic susceptibility, the presence of cats that are shedders, and cat-dense environments. "What are the factors that predispose a small percentage of cats with FECV to the development of FIP? Research is currently trying to find more answers to this question, but some facts are becoming clear. Dr. Janet Foley and Dr. Niels Pedersen of the University of California at Davis have identified three key risk factors: genetic susceptibility, the presence of chronic FECV shedders, and cat-dense environments that favour the spread of FECV." ... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Joan Doljan wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/FIP.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from what i understand FIP is the body's response to the mutated corona virus. i think its the virus itself not the bodies genetics but the viruses. there are many corona viruses (kind of like breeds of cats) and every once in a while there is mutation (kind of like double paws). michelle really gets this one.. an I in the right track michelle? kristi From: Gloria Lane Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: > I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' > because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will > be exposed to already. It's just that most cats > exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. > > t > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? > How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it > pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another > infectious disease? > She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she > does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible > dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are > crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > > > I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. > > > > Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the > fever? It worked > > with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days > (too much > > aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that > small would get, > > or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to > the vet > > first. > > > > Michelle > > > > >
RE: Re: FIP
thank you that info was great, her fever is gone, but i'm stll taking her in for some routine bloodwork because she is still always sleeping and very quiet- she doesn't play at all. I'm pretty sure she just needs to put some weight in and get her strength back- but better safe than sorry. I'll let you all know what her blood work says. From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 12:02:26 EDT To: Subject: RE: Re: FIP Kristi, there is a really active support group for FIP - they are many many supportive educated people on the list - you might want to visit tem (it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think - Also, you might want to visit the below website - this is the excellent website for FIP - there is a doctor called, Dr. Addie who has dedicated her last two decades to FIP research - she is at University of Glasgow - she is a very caring person as far as I can tell. There is really no 100% accurate diagnostic method until after the fact, but it gives you lots of information as many of FIP symptoms are similar to lots of other illness which can be treatable - also recently dr. Addie reported in her newsletter that 25% of FIP cases had a success treating them with Interferon as well - if you send a blood sample she can run blood analysis (they look at combinations of different things)whether the kitty has FIP or not - I think 75% or 80 % of samples sent to her ended up not being FIP according to her blood analysis. I have many corona virus kitties, so I educated my self at lot on this subject for the past several years - the fever could be something else - please don't worry - I have kittens who developed 106 or 107 fever for a week or more and I was very worried, but ended up not being FIP (it happened to several of my kitties) I pray that your kitty will get better very very soon. Dr. Addie's website on FIP http://www.dr-addie.com/ \ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Re: FIP thanx all for the great info. I feel better about my cats being exsposed to her but am still concerned as to wether or not she has FIP. It almost temp taking time I'll let you know. Kristi > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karolyn Lount) > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:12:39 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: FIP > > Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and > was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down. > I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my > knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did they were able > to fight it off. My Vet told me it would be a waste of my money to have > them tested for it. He told me if they did have it there was nothing I > could do about it. Many cats are able to fight it off and they might end > up being a carrier. That was 10yrs. ago and todate I have not had a cat > show signs of having it. > >
RE: Re: FIP
Kristi, there is a really active support group for FIP - they are many many supportive educated people on the list - you might want to visit tem (it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think - Also, you might want to visit the below website - this is the excellent website for FIP - there is a doctor called, Dr. Addie who has dedicated her last two decades to FIP research - she is at University of Glasgow - she is a very caring person as far as I can tell. There is really no 100% accurate diagnostic method until after the fact, but it gives you lots of information as many of FIP symptoms are similar to lots of other illness which can be treatable - also recently dr. Addie reported in her newsletter that 25% of FIP cases had a success treating them with Interferon as well - if you send a blood sample she can run blood analysis (they look at combinations of different things)whether the kitty has FIP or not - I think 75% or 80 % of samples sent to her ended up not being FIP according to her blood analysis. I have many corona virus kitties, so I educated my self at lot on this subject for the past several years - the fever could be something else - please don't worry - I have kittens who developed 106 or 107 fever for a week or more and I was very worried, but ended up not being FIP (it happened to several of my kitties) I pray that your kitty will get better very very soon. Dr. Addie's website on FIP http://www.dr-addie.com/ \ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Re: FIP thanx all for the great info. I feel better about my cats being exsposed to her but am still concerned as to wether or not she has FIP. It almost temp taking time I'll let you know. Kristi > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karolyn Lount) > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:12:39 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: FIP > > Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and > was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down. > I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my > knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did they were able > to fight it off. My Vet told me it would be a waste of my money to have > them tested for it. He told me if they did have it there was nothing I > could do about it. Many cats are able to fight it off and they might end > up being a carrier. That was 10yrs. ago and todate I have not had a cat > show signs of having it. > >
Re: Admin: Gentle reminder
For those of you interested in subjects related to pets covered and not covered on this board, please feel free to visit a board that I host for Beliefnet. You can go to Beliefnet.com and click on discussions at the top of the page and then pets or, hopefully, you can click here: http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/discussion_list.asp?boardID=39615 All are welcome!! I would love to see your there. Faye (Appy20, Beliefnet Volunteer Pets Board Host)"James G. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all,I've received some private complaints about our list starting to drift from its mission of late. While a certain amount of activism and off-topic (OT) posting is allowed (and appreciated), the focus of our main topic is getting a bit drowned out. This is a high-volume list anyway, so too much OT posting makes it harder for folks in need to get advice and assistance. There are many activism/rescue lists that are more appropriate for extended conversations on such topics, so maybe pointing folks to those lists would help alleviate some of the congestion here. If you have any questions/comments about this, please feel free to contact me privately. Take care, and best wishes to all.James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.felineleukemia.org__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats (FIV+ needs home)
Thanks for the group link Tad, the photo album will come in very handy for this! This is Hoss: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/vwp?.dir=/Angel+Wings+Cats&.src=""> Hoss is an FIV+ male cat the needs a new home or foster home. He was rescued from Angel Wings a few days ago. Other than testing positive for FIV, he has a clean bill of health. Hoss is a big 18 pound tuxedo cat. He is very scared. To view his photo, you will need to sign up at Tad's yahoogroup at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/ (I promise it's painless and only takes a couple of minutes!) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: Re: FIP - Good Explanation
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/FIP.html[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from what i understand FIP is the body's response to the mutated corona virus. i think its the virus itself not the bodies genetics but the viruses. there are many corona viruses (kind of like breeds of cats) and every once in a while there is mutation (kind of like double paws). michelle really gets this one.. an I in the right track michelle?kristiFrom: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDTTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FIPIsn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that?GloriaOn Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote:> I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' > because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will > be exposed to already. It's just that most cats > exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do.>> t>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? > How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it > pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another > infectious disease?> She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she > does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible > dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are > crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!!> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question> >> > I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP.> >> > Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the > fever? It worked> > with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days > (too much> > aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that > small would get,> > or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to > the vet> > first.> >> > Michelle> >> >>
Re: Re: FIP
from what i understand FIP is the body's response to the mutated corona virus. i think its the virus itself not the bodies genetics but the viruses. there are many corona viruses (kind of like breeds of cats) and every once in a while there is mutation (kind of like double paws). michelle really gets this one.. an I in the right track michelle? kristi From: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: > I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' > because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will > be exposed to already. It's just that most cats > exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. > > t > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? > How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it > pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another > infectious disease? > She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she > does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible > dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are > crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > > > I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. > > > > Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the > fever? It worked > > with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days > (too much > > aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that > small would get, > > or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to > the vet > > first. > > > > Michelle > > > > >
Re: New Member
Weclome, I do not know about FIV but I do mix my positve FeLV kitty with my negatives. Indoors is great, hopefully we all can help youIs Tom sympomatic right now? Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and indoors. I would really love any ideas!Thank you so much!Erika Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria
Yes, that's usually what I do - no problems that I can recall... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Del Daniels wrote: Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty having diarrhea? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: > I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a > starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual > can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? > > Del > - Original Message - > From: Gloria Lane > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace > > Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the "magazine" > link. He has links for "products" and that's where they are. > > Gloria > > > On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: > > > Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really > > unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it > > tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do > > have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can > > I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the > > Drs' names? > > Nina > > > > Gloria B. Lane wrote: > > > > > >> I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of > >> C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- > >> initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done > >> that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. > >> > >> Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it > >> with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis > >> (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. > >> Something helped, he got better. > >> > >> Gloria > >> > >> > >> At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: > >> > >> > >>> What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? > >>> N > >>> > >>> Gloria B. Lane wrote: > >>> > >>> > Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some > laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of > supplements, sometimes. > > Gloria > > At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: > > > > Hi Gloria, > > Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every > > day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements > > periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's > > been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress > > formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that > > when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I > > may start her on that. > > Nina > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
New Member
Hello, I am new to this service, so I hope I am doing this right... We just found out that our 3rd and newest kitty is FeLV and FIV positive. I am really overwhelmed, and not sure what to do next. You all seem so wise with this subject, and seeing your responses makes things seem more hopeful. Any help would be great. The other 2 were tested and came up negative. They will be rechecked in a few weeks. Tom (the FeLV cat) is being kept separated and indoors. I would really love any ideas! Thank you so much! Erika
Re: FIP
Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will be exposed to already. It's just that most cats exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease? She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. > > Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked > with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much > aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, > or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet > first. > > Michelle > >
Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats
Sorry, guys, I worked a long 10 hour day yesterday, and didn't get online, I'm back on it today! :) That's great Tad, and this has always been my concern, the rescue of the FELV+ cats from this "rescue". I will pass your letter on to Kara and Holly (those are the two local rescue ladies who have direct contact with the AW case). Peaceful Kingdom is the rescue in TN that is working to save as many of the AW cats as possible (but they don't say their intended fate for the pos kitties). I THINK that Kara and Holly work for them, but I am not sure of that, I will ask how they are connected, and I believe I have already invited at least one of them to the group, but I will ask them again. Your very generous offer to use your garage will be well received, and they very well may need to take you up on the offer. I'm here in VT too, Tad, and if you need any help, I am more than happy to come lend a hand. (I'm in Hardwick, not sure I remember your location, though I recall you're also in VT, right?). I have not gone through my email from yesterday yet, I'm sure I have an update from Holly or Kara in there somewhere, I'll send it to the list when I find it (I get individual emails for about 20 lists, so I have a LOT to go through yet, I read yours first) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Jenn I just want to say that now I am very much behind this letter...This is the concern...A pos test is a quick death sentence and even for the negatives that are running free with the pos Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about ?? Is Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in Tenn.?? And Kara and Holly ??? Is there anyway we could get them to join us ???I have a Yahoo group already in place that we started a year ago for a place to handle a similar problem of transportation and temp foster etc. and anyone is welcome to join it if its felt that this is getting too much for this list Come to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/to join... Also I have a garage that could house a large number of positives for the summer and I would be willing to pick them up at Newburg NY..(intersection of I87 and I80)...Still a very long way from Tenn. though No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
bramble
I'm glad bramble is doing better, when my guys have residual diarrhea I mix in a little Hills WD to bind things up a little bit, it usually does the trick. Wishing you the best Kristi
Re:she's better, he's worse- aargh!
her dose oif flagyl was so small I actually compounded the med into a flavored liquid for her- she stikll hates it, but its only for 5 days, so we're already almost done. and her fever is still down today- so its official we won!!! on the other hand Val is worse, started the dex injection today and I'm going to give him sq fluids, other than that I've just been trying to get him to eat, he won't even lick tuna juice and I've tried all the mixes i've read about on here before so...I had a talk with him this morning and let him know that whenever he is ready its ok, i think its soon. I wish he would fall asleep here with his borthers and sisiters, it would be so nice for him, they love him so much and one in particular is so attached to him I concerned for her after, she has the others though so hopefully she'll understand. sadly, Kristi > > From: "Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 01:15:22 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: fever down! > > Kristi > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd > >antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others > >great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a > >single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and > >starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you > >know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi > > > > > Flagyl (or also called Metronidazole) is exceptionally horrid > tasting. Makes cats foam at the mouth and makes them fight taking it. > I put the tablet in a #1 empty gel cap (by the box at Walmart Pharmacy) > so that the pill does not touch the mouth. Or you can coat it with > butter or lightly with velveeta and get it down fast to camouflage the > taste. Just a couple of suggestions. So happy her fever is down. > Sending healing positive thoughts and prayers for your new baby. > > -- > > Brenda. > > http://www.whiskersandwicks.com > http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith > > "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - > Colette > > Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria
Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty
having diarrhea?
Del
- Original Message -
From:
Gloria
Lane
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions
Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can
cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off
of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no
diarrhea.I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow
Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has
directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what
it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg
daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start
low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up.Dr. Belfield is
the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several
months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and
my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself
for a while. Have to start it back up.Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's
book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit
C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy,
and it worked well - she died in 2001, I
think.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels
wrote:> I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what
is a > starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and
how gradual > can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during
an URI?>> Del> - Original Message -> From:
Gloria Lane> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM> Subject: Re: Supplements -
Grace>> Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html
and click on the "magazine"> link. He has links for "products"
and that's where they are.>> Gloria>>> On
Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote:>> > Thanks Gloria, do
you know if the B complex liquid was really> > unpleasant
tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it> >
tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do>
> have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does.
Can> > I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search
on the> > Drs' names?> > Nina> >> >
Gloria B. Lane wrote:> >> >> >> I ordered
Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of> >> C
with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid-> >>
initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done>
>> that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in
it.> >>> >> Also ordered a liquid supplement form
Dr. elfield, and used it> >> with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan
now) that had stomatitis> >> (sp). Actually, gave him that,
plus interferon, plus lysine.> >> Something helped, he got
better.> >>> >> Gloria> >>>
>>> >> At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote:>
>>> >>> >>> What did you order, and what is
it suppose to help with?> >>> N>
>>> Gloria B. Lane wrote:>
Right, those are the sups I use, except
I've ordered some> laterly from Dr. Belfield. It
gets hard to give lots of> supplements,
sometimes.> > Gloria>
> At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you
wrote:> > >
> Hi Gloria,> > Yes, I use Lysine
on a regular basis. I used to give it every> >
day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements>
> periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom.
Everyone's> > been getting sups lately, along with
Transfer Factor, stress> > formula. I'm out of
Interferon A, I usually put them on that> > when
they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I>
> may start her on that.> >
Nina> >> >
>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >> >> >>
>>>
Re: Please send good energy Grace's way
Sending healing vibes and thoughts towards Grace Carla
RE: Admin: Gentle reminder
Wonderfully said, thank you James ;-)) Cherie"James G. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Kerry (and everyone who wrote privately). Your kind words are much appreciated. I hope y'all will please join me in taking this opportunity to also salute others who've made this list and project what it is today. Belinda Sauro, Joan Doljan and Brenda Smith (among others) have dedicated untold amounts of time, effort and energy to ensuring that this project fulfills its goals. They, and everyone who cares for FeLV+ fur-friends, are the real heroes here. Best wishes, and my deepest heartfelt thanks to you all.James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.felineleukemia.orgHave a purrfect day Cherie
RE: Bramble
Title: Message Wonderful to hear that Bramble is doing well, Michelle. And very glad to hear you had the benefit of another vet's input---and it was positive input. Continuing to send lots of healing vibes Bramble's way. take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:38 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy & MinstrelMayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Bramble
So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy & Minstrel
RE: Admin: Gentle reminder
Thanks Kerry (and everyone who wrote privately). Your kind words are much appreciated. I hope y'all will please join me in taking this opportunity to also salute others who've made this list and project what it is today. Belinda Sauro, Joan Doljan and Brenda Smith (among others) have dedicated untold amounts of time, effort and energy to ensuring that this project fulfills its goals. They, and everyone who cares for FeLV+ fur-friends, are the real heroes here. Best wishes, and my deepest heartfelt thanks to you all. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org
Re: fever down!
That is wonderdul news, I will keep my fingers for you ;-) Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah> > From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 09:46:17 EDT> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question> > I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her!> > tonya> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :(> > I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!!> I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. > Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. > Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,> Kristi> > > Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: any one checked out petfinder lately
My goodness gracious, I want them.too bad my son does not right now, but I am womrking on him, 10 or 11 kitties would be a good thing around here. Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bright, yet weird, moment in my dayThey are identical to my Val that has cancer- how weird!!It replaced a pic in my folder when I clicked on it for a pic of my new girl annalee- it came up instead!!!I attached it for all you suckers out there-they need homes:)I warned you- they're CUTEhttp://www.petfinder.com/fotos/MA262/MA262.4533892-1-x.jpgHave a purrfect day Cherie
Re: thank you
Kristi, We are all here for you, and I am sending positve healing vibes you way, please keep us informed. Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just want to thank you all for your responses we are having many problems (with leuk) right now and she is just topping off my plate right now. Just hearing others ideas is noce even if I've already tried/thought about them it means I'm thinking on the right tract and it is very nice support.I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood supply. I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and support.Again thank you the support is so wonderful, KristiHave a purrfect day Cherie
