At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a clot.
that is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is
very painful, When my angel was in pain I made that awful
decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I
Does he feel cold Terrie? Someone on the listmentioned in the past that perhaps a heating blanket or heating pad set on low might help make him feel more comfortable.Ginakelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds
Yes, he is cold to the touch.
No, I don't have a heating pad or a
blanket...crap!
What can I try?
In a message dated 10/26/2006 11:07:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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Does he feel cold Terrie? Someone on the listmentioned in the
past that perhaps a heating
Do you have fluid bag or water bottle? I
microwaved fluid bag and wrapped with towel and put it around for Tsubomi
since she as very anemic she was very cold but for some reason she
still preferred to be at cool place ..
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Terry, his pulling away is no refection on his love for you, or even if
he's happy. Sometimes they just need to distance themselves from
those of us still firmly connected to the earth plane. He's spending
time in and out of his body and it may just be that the touch of his
loved ones brings
You can also take a sock and put uncooked rice in it, tie the top in a
knot and microwave it until it's warm, (about 25 sec I think). Be sure
it's not too warm. It will hold the heat and he might want to nestle
in next to it.
N
Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
Do you have
fluid bag or
I have tried wrapping him in my sweatshirt that he likes to sit
on...which is warm from me.
He continues to move around and won't stay in the same spot
long.
He is agitated.
He prefers the coolness as well for whatever
reasons.
I'm allowing all the cats to come and go in the computer
I think it's good that you are allowing everyone to come and see Dukee.
Hideyo and I were just talking about how when kitties get cold to the
touch like that they sometimes don't seem to want to be warmed up.
That the do just the opposite and go and lay down on tile or some such
thing. I
Will stress Dukee out if you let other
friends in? They may want to say good bye to him??
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Subject: Re: Losing Dukee.. :(
Good idea Nina. My kitties also like to huddle in front on my space heater.Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also take a sock and put uncooked rice in it, tie the top in a knot and microwave it until it's warm, (about 25 sec I think). Be sure it's not too warm. It will hold the heat
Perhaps it helps them and Dukee to be near each other? I'm glad they are coming to see him and keeping him and you company. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried wrapping him in my sweatshirt that he likes to sit on...which is warm from me. He continues to move around and won't stay in
Warm water in a milk/water/plastic bottle
wrapped in a towel or washcloth or something like that will help. Putting
a pillow or towel in a dryer and heating it will also help.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will
Good ideas Marylyn.
Marylyn wrote:
Warm water in a
milk/water/plastic bottle wrapped in a towel or washcloth or something
like that will help. Putting a pillow or towel in a dryer and heating
it will also help.
I had a couple who wanted to be cool as they
left. Make that happen for him. They laid on cold tile when there
was plenty of warm things for them. The cats need to be around him.
It is wonderful that you are letting them in. They know the right things
to do.
If you have men who
I'm so sorry Terrie ,I know your heart is breaking. I am crying with you. I pray that you will find comfort. Sheila
Terri, my heart aches for you. I know the pain you
feel all too well. I pray you will find peace. Dukee
knows you love him.
Go with God,
Dede
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As I sit here I'm crying my eyes out having problems
typing this to you all.
My husband keeps checking on us see how
Oh Terrie,
I just got back online - it's almost 8:30 am Friday morning here in NJ.
How are you doing - how is Dukee, is he still with you? Please know that
you and your incredible family are in my thoughts and prayers. It's so
hard to have to let them go. Sending gentle {{{Hugs}}} out to you.
Terrie,
My prayers and white light are with Dukee to help him on his journey,
it sounds like he is ready to go and and is leaving on his own. I will
pray for his transition to be easy and painless. Many will be there to
greet him and help him transition. My thoughts are with you
OH TERRI i AM so sorry
about Dukee...Bless your heart and may you have the power and strenghth to get
threw this horrible time...It is beautiful that cats can sense things so
easily..your other kitties wanting to come in and clean and comfort Dukee! When
my sis cat Minnion was leaving she
Hi Chelsea,
If the kitty's immune system is strong enough it can fight off the virus,
that is why we look for immune boosters to give to them as well as the
best food we can find/afford. I believe there have been studies that show
something like a third of the cats exposed will be able to fight
Terri, I am thinking of you and Dukee and your little family. I wish
him a gentle Bridge journey and hugs to all who love him.
Diane R.
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one of my vets suggested, years ago, that i just fill a 2-litre soda
bottle with hot water and wrap it in a towel
i try so hard to respect what they need as they're preparing to leave,
even when what i really want to do is just hold them close and infuse
them with all the love i have but
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Terrie,
I'm so,
sosorry. .
My heart is
breaking with you, and like everyone else I'm crying with you, but what strikes
me most amid the anguish is the wonder of all the love surrounding Dukee, from
both his human and his furry family. I have an image of Dukee absorbing all
Ok, I'll throw my in story too:I'm "fostering" another adult stray...that no one wants. A grey and brown tabby male, healthy and lovable, neg. on felv and fip, but a powerful boy. (Only cat I've ever known that likes to play tug-o-war...and I don't me little tugs, I mean full out pitbull-like
Today I got 6 of my FeLV neg cats vacinated. I have one more to go she is
semi-wild and I do not see her everyday.
It looks like my regular vet is willing to work with me on Junior and Tiny.
I am trying to work out times to get the Immuno-regulin injections done.
Especially for Junior as he
Terrie,
How are you and Dukee today? I wish I had been online
last night; I almost logged in, but decided against
it, and went to bed. Should have listened to my
intuition. I hope if Dukee has passed already that he
went peacefully and painlessly. Prayers going out to
you all.
:)
Wendy
I'm new to this disease so I don't know if I can help, but two of my
cats have the herpes virus. From what I am told the virus never leaves
the body. If the cat becomes stressed out, the virus flares up. I've
noticed this with Sarah. She is fine for months then something upsets
her and her right
Dukee is still with us.
My eyeballs hurt and I'm exhausted. I'm not a young kit
anymore. Used to be able to do all-nighters with kitties when they were
ill.
I have been cat napping all night in here with him and the
other cats.
I can tell you he wants to go and hide in dark places prefers
You are so right. I can testify as to the quality of the vets I have
consulted. They charge me at least $200 to $300 every visit and tell me
erroneous info. One of my dogs had a benign cyst. I took her down to the
vet. He extracted the cyst, but when they shaved her tummy they nicked
her with the
Terrie,I have been reading your post, but very busy at work. My advice is to "go with your heart".Thinking of both of you,Joan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is still with us. My eyeballs hurt and I'm exhausted. I'm not a young kit anymore. Used to be able to do all-nighters
Don't know why it went out multiple times.
Nobody is near my computer.
Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE
COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted
Since I have joined the animal communication list I've heard it said
again, and again, that most animals prefer to experience the full circle
of life and don't want or require assistance to leave. Aniamls don't
fear death as we humans do I have heard.
Bailey passing was a bit difficult, I
PS. I know it doesn't seem like it sometimes but once the final passing
process starts it usually doesn't take long. It seems like it but it
really isn't more than a minute or so, if even that long. It is also
said when getting close they are in and out of their bodies (people and
animals)
Well said, Michelle.
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Schneider
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:03 AM
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Subject: Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
You are so right. I can testify as to the quality of
Help! Here is the situation -- in July I took 2 sick URI
kittens (BooBo, female; and Wheezer, male) in from terrible living conditions
in the City of Harrisburg -- the Mom cat was feral and was fixed and sent to
live at a sanctuary. The kittens recovered. Both kittens were vaccinated for
It is hard and it sucks like Hell. Go with your heart and do what you think is best for Dukee. Is he in pain and suffering? I know how hard it is to just hang in there and wait; I've done it. I wish I could be more of a help to you. It just makes me cry. Just let him know your there for
Try giving her the Just Born formula. Someone suggested it before. It
seems like a good source of nutrition if she's weak.
Nancy Schneider
Management Analyst
Dept of Transportation
12544 Saticoy St
N Hollywood 91605
Voice(818) 756-9558
Fax (818) 756-9245
Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Okay, I'm taking Dukee to a new Vet at 12:30 pm today.
She will examine him to see what else may be going on.
She will not euthanized him unless in dire need. She has
requested the records from the Vet that seen him, before any decision is made.
So the records will be sent by fax to her.
First suggestion - find another vet. 3-4 weeks is not long enough for her to throw off the virus if she is going to. My vet recommends 6 months between tests. Has the boy kitten been tested?
There are a number of ways to boost the immune system, including high quality food and l-lysine. Others
Terrie,
I'm so sorry about all you are going through. I hope you get good news from the vet.
Kelley
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Okay, I'm taking Dukee to a new Vet at 12:30 pm today.
She will examine him to see what else may be going on.
She will not euthanized
You and Dukee definitely deserve a second opinion
Terrie just so you know.. Interferon usually takes a week or so to show
any effect so please dont stop using it..
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We all know what a tough call this is. When I know in my heart that
they are passing, when I know that holding on is for me, then I help
them cross. It's the last gift of love we can give them. If you call
a house call vet, make sure and tell them that you want them to bring a
pre-sedative,
Hi, everyone thank you very much for your input.. after debating
in my heads for a few days, I just gave her the first shot of epogen.. the vet told
me to give 0.04 ml (she weighs only lb) I know its a smaller amount
than the regualar protocol, but since her kidney function is working
Hideyo,
Dharma is in my thoughts and prayers
that this works for her!
In a message dated 10/27/2006 10:15:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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Hi, everyone thank you very much
for your input.. after debating in my heads for a few days, I just gave her
the
Hideyo,
I'm keeping you Dharma in my prayers -
Fingers crossed that this is just what she needs.
Kat (Mew jersey)
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:08:15 -0600
From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: [EMAIL
Terrie,You have my support and prayers.I am hoping forgood news!Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'm taking Dukee to a new Vet at 12:30 pm today. She will examine him to see what else may be going on. She will not euthanized him unless in dire need. She has requested the
Thank you for writing! The vets around
here (Harrisburg, PA) really are not so up to date on FeLV and FIV, this vet is
actually better than most. I am just more worried about this because of the low
blood platelet and risk of hemorrhage. I will wait the 6 months of course. The
boy kitten
Terrie,
Prayers and hugs going with you and Dukee. Please keep us informed.
elizabeth
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Subject: Dukee's Appt with new Vet
Okay, I'm taking Dukee to a new Vet at 12:30
Hideyo,
Lots of love and white light going to you and Dharma. I hope so much this will help her.
elizabeth
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Sent: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Dharma go her
Testing is kind of a controversial issue, I'm finding as I start my own rescue.
The group I volunteered forhad the same policy - only test one per litter - but if your aim is to find out who is felv+ at that point in time, you need to test all of them. Some can be + and some - within the same
I have a question. My cat recently was vaccinated for feline leukemia.
No one suspected she might have the disease. Another vet tested her for
the disease and said she is positive. Is there any correlation between a
recent vaccine for feline leukemia and the lab picking up a positive
result for
At 11:13 AM 10/27/2006, you wrote:
You do not get a positive snap test from the vaccine...
Kelly Lane
I have a question. My cat recently was vaccinated for feline leukemia.
No one suspected she might have the disease. Another vet tested her for
the disease and said she is positive. Is there any
I just got to check my emails. I am so sorry about
Dukee. That is so sweet that the other cats want to
be near him. You, Dukee and your family are in my
prayers. I pray the vet can help your sweet boy.
Cindy Reasoner
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Dukee is still with us.
My eyeballs
Thanks for the info. One of the vets thought you could.
Nancy Schneider
Management Analyst
Dept of Transportation
12544 Saticoy St
N Hollywood 91605
Voice(818) 756-9558
Fax (818) 756-9245
kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/06 11:22 AM
At 11:13 AM 10/27/2006, you wrote:
You do not get a positive
Let him hang out. It is extremely hard
to do but I managed to do it with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and I know in my
heart and soul it was the right thing to do. If Dukee really wants help
leaving he will make it very plain to you.
Your husband may just be making sure you
know there are
Nancy,
Agreed. It is very rare for a cat to become positive
from a Feline Leukemia vaccine. Since the FeLV
vaccines are Killed the cat has very little change
of contracting the virus. The cat has a better chance
of developing fibrosarcomas than FeLV.
However, if the cat was positive for FeLV
My opinion: If Dukee is eating and
drinking leave him alone. You may be able to relieve any pain he is having
but he is not ready to leave this world.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal
Sometimes they want to be alone when they leave. The Royal Princess Kitty
Katt did not want me holding her or hovering as she put it very plainly.
She enjoyed visits from my mother, the person she chose to live with though.
If you have men
I finally have some information that may be of use. This afternoon, I called Carrington Labs and told them the whole story of how I had been trying to get information about this Acemannan audit. I told them that since people were unable to get accurate information and that no one could buy the
Thank you so much, Elizabeth! I actually wrote a song for
Dharma and sing it all the time so that all the energy on earth can hear it and
help Dharma heal
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To:
What a lovely idea, Hideyo! Dharma is a lucky girl to
have you caring for her and singing about her.
Diane R.
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YamamotoSent: Friday, October 27, 2006 2:48 PMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Dharma go her
Hideyo,
I hope that the epogen helps your precious little
Dharma. You and Dharma are in my prayers.
Cindy Reasoner
--- Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you so much, Elizabeth! I actually wrote a
song for Dharma and
sing it all the time so that all the energy on earth
can
Greg (my sort of BF) thinks I am crazy,
because I sing everywhere so loud --- I just want every single living thing on
earth.. air, breeze, rain, clouds, sun, trees, birds, cars, and EVERYTHING to
hear it so that they can all send Dharma healing energy --- and will help
Dharma feel better
A little, but in a GOOD way. ;-)
Diane R.
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YamamotoSent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:04 PMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Dharma go her first shot of
epogen - please pray that it willonly help her..
Greg
Thank you for your kind words.
Nancy Schneider
Management Analyst
Dept of Transportation
12544 Saticoy St
N Hollywood 91605
Voice(818) 756-9558
Fax (818) 756-9245
Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/06 12:25 PM
Nancy,
Agreed. It is very rare for a cat to become positive
from a Feline Leukemia
Michelle I am so amazed by Lucy
she is such an inspiration!!
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006
12:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: lucy doing better,
knock on wood
I don't want to jinx
Hideyo,
That is the most endearing thing that I have ever heard. If you want to send the lyrics publicly or privately, I would be more than happy to tell them to Bea and Satch and say them over and over - my actual singing might produce the opposite effect that you desire, but I'm a good reciter!
Leslie thank you for your offer!
You are going to laugh so hard because
there is not much to the lyrics.. I am really not a poet, and my English is
also broken..
But it goes like this..
Let Dharma heal Let Dharma heal.. Let
Dharma heal.
Let Dharma feel better, and let Dharma make
Okay all here is the news!
Just got home awhile agoyes I do have him
home.
At least now we have something to go on but not much
better.
He has Liver failure and very jaundice.
This Vet did a thorough work-up on him.
She said at this point because of his color she didn't need to
take
Did they not run a total body function? I
wanted to know if Liver damage is caused by FIP or not as it does make a difference
on prognosis and its very difficult to tell without it --- FIP can cause
liver damage as Peter got jaundiced at the end (he had FIP).. and
Garfunkle had a liver
OK: Again, this is my opinion. I
would not want to be tube feed if all it was going to do was extend my life a
little. This has nothing to do with money but with quality of life.
I can tell you that I could and would have afforded anything for the Royal
Princess Kitty Katt but she was very
She said that because of the percentage being high on the
Titers that it is probable having FIP. That the liver damage is a cause of
FIP.
She did take a sample of his blood and sent it out.
At this point it wouldn't make any difference on his
results.
But warned me that she is siding
Fatty liver disease can occur after only a few days and by few I mean
2 or 2 days of not eating or 3 or more days of not eatin enough,
overweight cats are in more danger of this but it can happen to any cat
not eating enough
I know this for a fact it happened to Buddie, and she was fighting
Again, please consider what you would want
if you were Dukee. Consider it in terms of your life, your values,
comforts, pain, etc. Do not consider it in terms of money or
sacrifice. This will come back to haunt you. Have you asked Dukee
what he wants What you are describing, to me and
Marylyn,
When Buddie got her tube she was making a crying noise I had not
heard before it woke me up and the minute the vet opened we went it, it
was very much like a death cry, very gutteral. They wanted to keep her
there on IV fluids and my vet told me she probably wasn't going to make
I think you are doing the right thing, Hideyo, and I pray it helps
her.
Michelle
Besides fluids, definitely give SAMe (marketed through vets as denosyl, but
you can just get SAMe at the health food store if you can find out the amount of
SAMe that's in denosyl-- maybe someone on the list knows--) it helps a lot with
liver failure.
Michelle
I have been told that tube feeding actually does not bother them. I
have been told that by people who have done it with their cats, and also by
vets.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/27/2006 7:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK: Again, this is my opinion. I would
PLEASE do not euthanize her based on a positive test! That is not a
reason. FeLV is like HIV. It means a suppressed immune system. It does not mean
your cat is going to die anytime soon.
Immuno-Regulin is a good immune stimulant and really seems to help with
upper respiratory viruses,
PS. Marylyn, I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you, just trying
to give another perspective. Terrie will ultimately make the best
decision for Dukee and her. Any decision made out of love can never be
wrong.
--
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...
Be-Mi-Kitties
Hi guys this is off
topic but I had to comment about getting a flu shot while fighting the flu. I
went on Tues and got a flu shot...my arm swelled up and was itching nothing
major...NOW I have the flu:( I cant believe it! I got vaccinated because I hate
the flu and now I have it!!! I have
Never got a flu shot, I'm blessed with a pretty strong immune system,
haven't been really sick since 1995. Hope you feel better soon. :)
--
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...
Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com
Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
I can emphatically state that tube feeding does not bother them.
When Luc had fatty liver last year, he got a sort of surprised look the first
time he felt the food hit his throat without going through his mouth, but the
rest of the time he just took it in stride. He got used to the tube
singin is great Hideyo..releaves stress and micracles
happen everyday keep singin girl and bless you and Dharma :0)
Kayte and Crackers
RE: Dharma go her first shot of epogen - please pray
that it will only help her..
Hideyo YamamotoFri, 27 Oct
2006 13:07:18 -0700
SamE (100mg daily). SamE is a time-release supplement... so it CANNOT be cut in half. I have a FIV+ cat that was sent home to die by our vet with liver failure... I fed him every two hours and dosed SamE and Milk Thistle and he's alive and well today.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET SAM-E OR THE
Hi Terri I am s sorry so many problms are happening. I am very dense
when it comes to sickness...luckily the worst I have had to deal with was an
URI. Anyways I am a little confused with fatty liver and things. Will doing
these things make Dukee better? If he is losing weight maybe a
Hideyo - That is so dear! I have little songs that I made up and that
Ising to my dear ones here. I've noticed that cats are so sensitive
- not only to very subtle energy - but they are sovery sensitive to sound
and sound variations. They love songs! That song has to be one of
the dearest
Kayte, the "cure" for fatty liver (hepatic lipidosis) is quite simply
getting food into the kitty -- as much high-calorie but not-too-fatty food as
you can, along with flushing the toxins outwith fluids. When a cat
stops eating for whatever reason -- sore mouth, URI, tummyache, cancer, you
Ok Kayteexcuse my saying so - but this really sucks out loud. I
am so sorry you are going through this. I have moderate to severe asthma
and so I have been debating getting my first shot. I have diabetes on both
sides of my family and my mom is worried because I had such a severe
In all my life - I never had the flu until I was 42 (ok - so I am dating
myself). Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine how horrible it really
is to have the flu. Honest to God - I had blisters inside my mouth and I
missed more than a month of work due to complications (the asthma
ok - i'm going out on a limb here...ruining my reputation as a
hard @$$...but i wanted to share this poem with you because it is very dear to
me and i cry every time i read it. so many of us have lost cat friends and
family that we care so much about. we all deal with it in different ways -
No-way your a [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
That is an awesome poem.
Yes, I can understand why it would be dear to you and to
others.
In a message dated 10/27/2006 10:35:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ok - i'm going out on a limb here...ruining my reputation as
a
Okay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in
Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group.
God Bless You!
My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a
long discussion.
If all goes well he will have it done in the
morning.
I have high
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