Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[PEC2851]

Marissa,
What a WONDERFUL & UPLIFTING story
Dr. G. sounds awesome
I know that there are (a few) great vets out there, mine being one of them.  
( I have to "drive"[not anymore] over 1 1/2 hours to see him). And,  I've 
had (too) much contact w/ the "other" ones sadly
I was not aware of your Georgia going "astray". [These eyes, BLAH!!!   NOT 
working, almost impossible to (attempt) to read.  Just so glad I had  your post 
read to me...]  Any good news?  I will keep her (&you)  in my prayers..
Hugs,

Patti & her gang

 



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Re: Rabies wavier

[PEC2851]

Even here in Pa. ALL rabies vx.'s MUST be given by  vet
And, I know that only too well - working for vets, volunteering @  
shelter. 
NO EXCEPTIONS!
And, being (prior MVA), I was (am) a licensed vet tech.
And, I also worked for vet in Maryland - same thing
Sure, I can give rabies vaccine, but it doesn't count. NOT  LEGAL
And, even here, you can no longer buy the rabies vaccine.
Just my two cents.
Hugs,
Patti & her gang

 PS - Anyone else wonder why the rabies vx. charge @ vets is SO  high?
Thank heavens for shelter/sanctuary clinics..  They only charge no  more 
than $5.00.



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Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: FDA warns staff of melamine cancer risk

[TenHouseCats]

yeah, but we don't count--we're just the taxpayers, silly!

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Scary! WE handled it as well, as the humans who FED it to the animals
that died.

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Re: OT- Kitten safe flea products (was - Cheap source of Zithromax?)

[Nina]

http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Only-Natural-Pet-All-in-One-Flea-Remedy/999012.aspx

I just remembered something that I've used in my feral bedding...  I 
looked for age warnings and didn't see any, (but I'm tired and the print 
is small).  If you're considering it, you might want to contact them and 
make sure it's safe to use on 4 week old kittens.

Nina

Only Natural Pet All-in-One Flea Remedy is an odorless powder that can 
be applied directly to the fur of a dog or cat and sprinkled on your 
carpet, hardwood floors, baseboards, furniture, and pet bedding. You can 
even sprinkle it in your lawn or garden where your pets roam. Its 
primary ingredient is diatomaceous earth, a natural flea treatment that 
has been used for hundreds of years. As soon as fleas come into contact 
with it they become dehydrated and die. It's that simple! And fleas 
cannot build up an immunity to it because it works mechanically, not 
chemically.


Ingredients: Diatomaceous Earth, Sage, Eucalyptus, Yellowdock Root, 
Fennel Seed, Rosemary Leaf.

Re: Rabies wavier

[Susan Hoffman]

Even liberal California requires vet involvement in the rabies vaccine.  Even 
if a vet tech gives the actual injection, the vet has to oversee and verify.  
It's the vet's license number on the rabies certificate.
   
  Don't make assumptions where vaccines are mandated by law.  You have to check 
the law of your jurisdicgtion.  It can be so different from one state to 
another and even between different counties within the state.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  WRONG WRONG WRONG--in most states, unless it's been given by a licensed vet, 
it doesn't count. you could have the vial in your hand, and the cat is 
considered unvaccinated. you can BUY it, but most of the places that sell 
it have disclaimers about it being not having any standing in law. 

  On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  "I don't think 
the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me."
   
  In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and squirt 
it down the toilet, and call the cat "vaccinated". No-one can say you DIDN'T 
give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to "prove" you bought it (you 
can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think http://jefferspet.com 
still sells rabies vaccines.
  
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Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: FDA warns staff of melamine cancer risk

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Scary! WE handled it as well, as the humans who FED it to the animals that
died.

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[C & J]

Wow, I wish I could find a vet like that.  It sounds like she really cares 
about animals.

I hope you find your Georgia soon. Keep us updated.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:37 PM
  Subject: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)


  Hi all!  I just thought you might like to hear an uplifting story about a 
PHENOMINAL vet (seems we get to hear a lot about not-so-good vets...thought I'd 
share a good story).  It's kinda long, but trust me...it's worth the read!

  You all may remember that I found a new vet after Slinky had his transfusion 
and the vet who did it wouldn't try anything else.  I had mentioned then that 
Dr. Garrison read all the research I sent her on IR and did her own research, 
etc.  When I brought Mouse in a couple weeks ago, I noticed that she talks to 
him before doing anything, she knew all about CH and herpes (he has herpes) and 
was supportive of Lysine therapy for the herpes.  I left the appointment 
wishing I could go see her every day! lol  She even supported my feeding raw 
(if it's done right)...and she's an ALLOPATHIC vet!!!  So I was already 
thinking she was amazing!!

  As you read this, keep in mind that I've seen Dr. G THREE TIMES - twice with 
Slinky (including pts) and once with Mouse.  It's not like I've been her 
customer for years or something.

  Here's the sad part of the story:  I think many if not all of you heard that 
on Monday night my new baby Georgia got out of her harness in a park near my 
house and took off.  She's been hiding out in a dense forest in the park and, 
while I've spotted her a couple times, I have not been able to get her back 
yet.  It has been heartbreaking and making me CRAZY (esp. after losing my baby 
Slinky so recently).

  Here's the good part:
  When Georgia took off, one of the first things I did was call Dr. Garrison to 
see if she had any suggestions or resources or anything.  She took a 
description, said they'd keep an eye out, and gave me some good ideas.

  Yesterday afternoon SHE CALLED ME to ask if I had seen her yet!!!  I thought 
that in and of itself was pretty awesome.  Then she OFFERED TO COME OUT AND 
HELP ME LOOK FOR HER AFTER SHE GOT OFF WORK AT 7!  I could NOT 
believe it  She said to call her if she hadn't turned up by shortly before 
7.  When I called her she asked if I needed any supplies and I suggested she 
bring some a/d since it's smelly and Georgia has eaten it for me.

  She had already mapquested the park, knew how to get there, etc. (she didn't 
know where it was the first night I called her).  She came out and met me at 
the park with 2 cans of A/D...and wouldn't let me pay her for them!  I had said 
that it would be helpful just to have someone there to help me strategize about 
where to put things, etc.  Not only did she do that, but she spent the next 
hour or more tromping through the DENSE forest full of thorny vines and 
brambles trying to flush Georgia out and scare her toward me.  

  She kept tromping through and looking while I went to meet a rescuer who was 
bringing me a trap at the entrance to the park.  She watched while the rescuer 
showed me how to set it - with absolutely no pretense of "I'm a vet and I know 
everything" or anything like that.  In fact, she ended up being like the good 
friend you take to an important doctor's appointment...she asked really great 
questions that, in sleep-deprived and stressed out state, I wasn't thinking of! 
 

  At this point it was dusk and she was going to head out, but I planned to sit 
out there for a while and see if I could spot Georgia.  Dr. G asked if I'd had 
dinner...and then went to McDonalds and brought dinner back to me  
She even walked the long way around the park so she could check out the nearby 
houses and see if she could see Georgia  

  When she came back with my food, she said she was going to the natural pet 
food store (where the owner is my friend and had recommended Dr. G to me) today 
and she could drop off flyers there AND since the humane society was just down 
the street, she'd go there and see if they had Georgia and leave flyers there 
as well!

  While I was typing this just now, she called again for an update!  She said 
she left flyers at the food store and went by the shelter but that, oddly, 
they're closed on Wednesdays!  So she said she'd GO BACK TOMORROW on her lunch 
break just on the off chance that she's there!  She'll leave flyers with 
them as well.  Her help and support has done SO MUCH to lift my spirits in this 
horrible time!  

  I was already wanting to nominate her for "vet of the year" BEFORE all 
this  And now I'm just totally stunned!!  I've never heard of a vet going 
this far above and beyond the call of duty!  When I told her she's the best vet 
in the universe, she said, "well I don't know about that but I have lost enough 
animals to know how str

Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[C & J]

Those walking jackets look really neat, I may order one of those.  The savannah 
cats on that site sure are beautiful also.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)


  other options are walking jackets--phaewyrn, you'll LOVE this one

  not as substantial as the ones i was thinking about but meowzers' isn't 
on-line now so i can't get the link. she's got one for her HUGE maine coon, 
and it had a "handle" on the back so there's this GREAT photo of her hubby 
carrying ash around like a suitcase he's just looking around as if it's 
just his due to be carted everywhere. 

  http://www.joykatz.net/walkingjackets.htm 


  On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Reader's digest would love that story, I bet, especially after you get your 
kitty back and there's a happy ending!

For future reference, and to everyone else on the list, please don't use 
"cat" figure 8 style harnesses. They have a DESIGN FLAW and cannot possibly be 
trusted to ever hold a squirming panicked cat! The way they function means that 
there is no way to make them secure. I better option is a good sturdy nylon 
PUPPY collar, preferably 5/8 inch wide, and out it on so it is TIGHT, so you 
can barely get your finger under the collar. For cats that can't stand just a 
collar, and that need to disperse some of the weight to the abdomen, a H style 
harness is a MUCH better option than a figure 8 style. An H style has a solid 
neck strap collar and a solid chest/belly band, attached by a connector strap 
that connects the two over the top of the cat's back with a d ring on top to 
attach the leash. The neck strap part should be adjusted like a collar, TIGHT 
but not choking the cat, so it cannot go over the cats head if they pull back 
against it. The chest strap can be looser as it's just there to distribute some 
of the pulling force off the neck. This is the SAFE type of cat harness:
http://www.willasark.com/lupineharness.cfm  

Everytime I see a store with a figure 8 cat harness, I cringe at the 
thought of how insecure they are!

I hope you find your baby!

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Fwd: Itchmo Safety Alert: FDA warns staff of melamine cancer risk

[MaryChristine]

no comment. absolutely none whatsoever.

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From: Itchmo Pet Safety Alerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: May 9, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Itchmo Safety Alert: FDA warns staff of melamine cancer risk
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

More at www.itchmo.com



Full story:

http://www.itchmo.com/read/fda-melamine-surveilance-order-warns-against-major-health-risks_20070509



FDA Warns Staff On Major Melamine Health Risks

May 9th, 2007



Itchmo has learned that the FDA has issued a surveillance order for Chinese
vegetable proteins including corn gluten and wheat products based on the pet
food contamination on May 1. Despite repeated FDA statements saying that
there is no risk to human health from contaminated pigs and chickens, the
FDA surveillance order indicates otherwise. It even states: Pregnant women
should not perform this assignment.



FDA document quote:

   "Melamine and additional related contaminants have been found in
concentrations of up to 20% in analyzed samples. The MSDS for pure melamine
is attached as Attachment B and includes warnings "to avoid breathing dust,
avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing". Chronic exposure may cause
cancer or reproductive damage."



Clearly, the FDA is concerned with the safety of their own staff's exposure
to melamine-tainted foods. Despite this warning, the FDA told the press and
us yesterday that animals that ate tainted foods were safe for human
consumption.



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Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)

[MaryChristine]

is pets alive the one that best friends has come in to help?

spring farm cares is, i THINK, way upstate.

On 5/9/07, Patricia Lamoretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thank you.  With what's going on at Pets Alive, I don't know if they'd
take another animal.  They're trying to get everyone back on track and
healthy.  Animal Haven doesn't have space and I don't know spring farm cares
so I'll give it a shot.  Thanks again -- PAT

*"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Try calling:
http://www.petsalive.com/
http://www.animalhavenshelter.org/
http://www.springfarmcares.org/animalsanctuary.htm

Those are 3 no kill shelters in NY.

Here's the whole list if she's close to a bordering state:
http://ucat.us/NoKillSanctuaries.html

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Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)

[Patricia Lamoretti]

Thank you.  With what's going on at Pets Alive, I don't know if they'd take 
another animal.  They're trying to get everyone back on track and healthy.  
Animal Haven doesn't have space and I don't know spring farm cares so I'll give 
it a shot.  Thanks again -- PAT

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Try calling:
  http://www.petsalive.com/ 
  http://www.animalhavenshelter.org/
  http://www.springfarmcares.org/animalsanctuary.htm
   
  Those are 3 no kill shelters in NY.
   
  Here's the whole list if she's close to a bordering state:
  http://ucat.us/NoKillSanctuaries.html
  
Phaewryn
   
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Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Try calling:
http://www.petsalive.com/ 
http://www.animalhavenshelter.org/
http://www.springfarmcares.org/animalsanctuary.htm

Those are 3 no kill shelters in NY.

Here's the whole list if she's close to a bordering state:
http://ucat.us/NoKillSanctuaries.html

Phaewryn

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[MaryChristine]

the other kind are like horse blankets, almost--and secured in such a way
that one could NOT get out of them..

the only thing that brendan can't get out of is one of the HEAVY-DUTY (read,
mountaineering-strength fibre) harnesses with a chest band and under-the-leg
band.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Personally, they are cute, but I wouldn't trust them. If it's not buckled
around the neck so tight their head can't get through using an unbreakable
fabric and a sturdy metal buckle, I'm not going to trust it. I used to take
my cats out in both a harness and a secondary collar, and I ran a "panic"
line from the collar to the leash end, so if they got out of the harness,
I'd still have them by the collar. I've since learned to trust my sturdy 5/8
inch nylon dog collars.

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Personally, they are cute, but I wouldn't trust them. If it's not buckled
around the neck so tight their head can't get through using an unbreakable
fabric and a sturdy metal buckle, I'm not going to trust it. I used to take
my cats out in both a harness and a secondary collar, and I ran a "panic"
line from the collar to the leash end, so if they got out of the harness,
I'd still have them by the collar. I've since learned to trust my sturdy 5/8
inch nylon dog collars.

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Re: Rabies wavier (coon pic)

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This is my daughter Amber with one of my dad's rehabilitated coons:
http://ucat.us/AmberRaccoon.jpg

I carbon copied this to the FELVOT list, so we could take this OT discussion
over there. :-)

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Re: OT- Kitten safe flea products (was - Cheap source of Zithromax?)

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http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1588&articleid=598
Lists all the facts about how the various insecticides work

http://www.purepet.com/oflea.html
Is the natural flea shampoo I was thinking might be safe for smaller
kittens, but their website doesn't say.

http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=430&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12&iSubCat=245&iSubSubCat=252&iProductID=430
Appears to be safe for over 6 weeks old.

http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5128&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12&iSubCat=245&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5128
Another safe over 6 weeks.

http://www.naturalchemistry.com/pet/StorePlus/Store/viewConsumerItems.asp?idProduct=99
http://www.naturalchemistry.com/pet/StorePlus/Store/viewConsumerItems.asp?idProduct=78
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=699&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12&iSubCat=142&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=699
May be safe, no ages listed. It does say to rinse the cat after spraying
though.

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Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)

[Patricia Lamoretti]

I just received a call from a friend who has been trying to help an elderly 
woman place a FeLV/FIV positive cat. The elderly woman has a cat of her own.  
She's convinced her husband that she can find a home but time is running out.  
She has to leave town on Monday to provide healthcare for her sister in NC and 
her husband won't/doesn't understand there is no risk in him providing food and 
shelter for this little girl so basically, she has no where to go.  She doesn't 
want to put her to sleep but she doesn't know what else to do.  Does anyone 
have any room or resources?  PAT 

 
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[MaryChristine]

halleluia, sister!

(yeah, i'll go to bed now.)

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Every "what if" I have experienced in the past brought me to a new
awareness in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from
them. "What if" I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki
that night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him?
Would I have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was
a hard lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT,
now, when I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY,
I never wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because
I learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. "What if" I had just not let
him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT,
now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from
that "what if" as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a
death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a
cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and
I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets
since by telling THEIR owners "don't listen to your vet, there ARE options!"
I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be
sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong,
but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I
swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these "second chances"
just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list
of all the "what if's" I've experienced in my years with cats, all my
regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW
HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no
matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that
none of their lives were in vain.


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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[MaryChristine]

before the advent of topicals, i used to use the zodiac line of premises
spray all over the house--kills eggs and larva for 210 days.. you still
have to do some spot killing in really bad years, but it REALLY helps if
you're bringing in strangers.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 That's the problem, the warning is buried in two pages of TINY text in
the package insert. Not even the vets bother to read it:
http://www.revolution4cats.com/docs/pdf/FullInfill.pdf

My favorite flea product is a shampoo by Zodiac called fleatrol. It's a
shampoo, and it kills fleas and ticks while on the pet, but it doesn't
absorb into their skin like flea repellants do, so when you rinse it off,
all the toxic chemicals are GONE. That being said, the label still reads
"not for use on sick, weak, or debilitated animals or those under 12 weeks
of age. There are new "natural" flea shampoos out there that may be better
for weak or young cats/kittens. I use this Zodiac flea shampoo on MYSELF
after hiking to kill any ticks I may have picked up on the trail. I feel
safe using it on my cats because I use it on myself too. Anything that has
bold text warnings that say "wear gloves when applying, and wash thoroughly
if contact with skin occurs" are NOT GOOD, because this is stuff you plan to
put on your PET'S skin, and LEAVE on there! I mean, think about it, like -
DUH! It's the whole double standard we have for humanity verses everything
else, what's good for them isn't necessarily what's good for US too. After
all, they are JUST animals. (rolling eyes)

I'm going to see what I can turn up for use on younger kittens and cats
under 2 LBS.

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[MaryChristine]

other options are walking jackets--phaewyrn, you'll LOVE this one

not as substantial as the ones i was thinking about but meowzers' isn't
on-line now so i can't get the link. she's got one for her HUGE maine
coon, and it had a "handle" on the back so there's this GREAT photo of her
hubby carrying ash around like a suitcase he's just looking around as if
it's just his due to be carted everywhere.

http://www.joykatz.net/walkingjackets.htm

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Reader's digest would love that story, I bet, especially after you get
your kitty back and there's a happy ending!

For future reference, and to everyone else on the list, please don't use
"cat" figure 8 style harnesses. They have a DESIGN FLAW and cannot possibly
be trusted to ever hold a squirming panicked cat! The way they function
means that there is no way to make them secure. I better option is a good
sturdy nylon PUPPY collar, preferably 5/8 inch wide, and out it on so it is
TIGHT, so you can barely get your finger under the collar. For cats that
can't stand just a collar, and that need to disperse some of the weight to
the abdomen, a H style harness is a MUCH better option than a figure 8
style. An H style has a solid neck strap collar and a solid chest/belly
band, attached by a connector strap that connects the two over the top of
the cat's back with a d ring on top to attach the leash. The neck strap part
should be adjusted like a collar, TIGHT but not choking the cat, so it
cannot go over the cats head if they pull back against it. The chest strap
can be looser as it's just there to distribute some of the pulling force off
the neck. This is the SAFE type of cat harness:
http://www.willasark.com/lupineharness.cfm

Everytime I see a store with a figure 8 cat harness, I cringe at the
thought of how insecure they are!

I hope you find your baby!

Phaewryn

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Re: Rabies wavier

[MaryChristine]

now most vets are afraid to do that--i have friends who just lost one
because, tho they've have them for years, since it's become illegal in their
state, the vets can loose their licenses. in MI, rehabbers can still take
them in, but even they won't give you their vets' names

ferrets, and hybrids like bengals, savannahs, etc. are illegal in some
states, and there's all sorts of underground vet resources for them--it's
not even that hard to find the information with a well-worded search. can't
find them resources for raccoons, tho, even though they MUST exist

i just REALLY don't want to see anyone lose their cats to bureaucracy
because they THINK they can win--the cat will be dead long before you get to
court to challenge the law, i'm afraid.

look at the fda and how it's performing in the pet-food crisis: this is the
government you're talking about trying to reason with!

MC, the always unbiased.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in
Tennessee, his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's
death on paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm.

Phaewryn

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I posted this to the OT group earlier today, but I guess not everyone has
joined it, so here it is here:

Terramycin eye antibiotic ointment for under $9:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2336&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=317&iSubSubCat=320&iProductID=2336

A cat condo cage for under $90.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4851&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=733&iSubCat=757&iSubSubCat=759&iProductID=4851

Cat muzzles for only $1.29 each:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2523&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=841&iProductID=2523

Glazed ceramic cat bowls for under $2.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4887&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=4887

Stainless steel bowls for as little as $1.49:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5135&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5135

Cat WALKING collars (not safety, but escape proof for walking on a leash)
for under $1:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5623&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5623

Too cute! Little doggy/kitty tutu for under $3.00 (depending on cat size,
would probably be a small):
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5151&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5151

LIFE JACKETS starting at $4.99 (think New Orleans - if owners had had these
in their emergency kits, and put them on their pets before leaving, how many
lives might have been saved!):
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4953&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=844&iProductID=4953

Soft Paws for under $13.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1492&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=317&iSubSubCat=324&iProductID=1492

Simple Solution GALLONS for under $13!!!:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1380&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=398&iSubSubCat=403&iProductID=1380

Nature's Miracle GALLONS under $18:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1380&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=398&iSubSubCat=403&iProductID=1380

Top Performance disinfectant cleaner (cherry/lemon/wintergreen/fresh scents)
GALLON concentrate makes 256 gallons of diluted cleaner for under $17.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=6544&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=398&iSubSubCat=403&iProductID=6544

All kindsa of cat furniture and scratchers starting at $10 for carpeted
posts:
http://www.petedge.com/jump.jsp?itemID=469&itemType=INDEX&iMainCat=460&iSubCat=468&bShowImage=yes&PAGE_PRODUCT_COUNT=25

And the BEST score, a 15 foot "flexi-style" retractable lead for under $3!!!
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4470&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=4470


AND, the FELVOT group sign-up page (since this type of thing should be being
discussed THERE:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/


Phaewryn

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Reader's digest would love that story, I bet, especially after you get your
kitty back and there's a happy ending!

For future reference, and to everyone else on the list, please don't use
"cat" figure 8 style harnesses. They have a DESIGN FLAW and cannot possibly
be trusted to ever hold a squirming panicked cat! The way they function
means that there is no way to make them secure. I better option is a good
sturdy nylon PUPPY collar, preferably 5/8 inch wide, and out it on so it is
TIGHT, so you can barely get your finger under the collar. For cats that
can't stand just a collar, and that need to disperse some of the weight to
the abdomen, a H style harness is a MUCH better option than a figure 8
style. An H style has a solid neck strap collar and a solid chest/belly
band, attached by a connector strap that connects the two over the top of
the cat's back with a d ring on top to attach the leash. The neck strap part
should be adjusted like a collar, TIGHT but not choking the cat, so it
cannot go over the cats head if they pull back against it. The chest strap
can be looser as it's just there to distribute some of the pulling force off
the neck. This is the SAFE type of cat harness:
http://www.willasark.com/lupineharness.cfm

Everytime I see a store with a figure 8 cat harness, I cringe at the thought
of how insecure they are!

I hope you find your baby!

Phaewryn

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Re: Rabies wavier

[Marylyn]

I think I like your Dad,






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Rabies wavier


  My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in Tennessee, 
his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's death on 
paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm.

  Phaewryn

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Re: Rabies wavier

[Marylyn]

With that in mind I think a lot of farm stores sell it too.  Good thought.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Rabies wavier


  "I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
  required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
  fall on me."

  In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and squirt 
it down the toilet, and call the cat "vaccinated". No-one can say you DIDN'T 
give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to "prove" you bought it (you 
can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think http://jefferspet.com 
still sells rabies vaccines.

  Phaewryn

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[Marylyn]

And lots of prayers.  Do you have any animals who might talk with her and help 
guide her home?  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)


  Thanks, Marylyn!  I've tried most of that (all except the KFC).  That first 
night when she got out, I actually spent the whole night in the park...I came 
home and got my sleeping bag and slept on the ground.  I did see her around 9 
or 9:30, but didn't see her again after that.  I thought I saw her last night 
when I was out there sitting quietly at dusk...but she was moving too fast to 
be sure it was her.

  I just got back from knocking on doors asking people to check their yards, 
looking dark quiet places, etc.  And one of my neighbors (the farthest away 
from where I thought she was...and without a yard that backs up to the park) 
just said she saw her walking down the middle of my street at 10ish last night 
(now I was just leaving the park at 10 last night).  I have no idea if it was 
really her she saw (tho she looked at her picture and confirmed it)...but now I 
really don't know what to think!

  I have been doing that meditation (someone else on here had posted it)...so 
far nothing.  But I'm still doing it (along with praying, etc.) and am hopeful 
it will work.  Thanks for the advice and keep sending positive vibes!

  Marissa

  Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Re Georgia from experience with Dixie:

You are frightening her.  Go there and sit/nap/read whatever and she may 
well come to you.  Leave lights on and doors open at home as well as food and 
forget the AD--try KFC or something much more special at the house.  AD is fine 
in the field but home is home!!!  Reach out to her with a heart link.a cord 
or light you see in your heart and mind and link it to her body---show her the 
way home and that you are not mad at her for having a walk about but that it is 
time to come home and do all those things she likes to do with youat home.  
Keep linking her to home.  Cats are very territorial.  Their heart link is as 
much to their home as it is to you.  

This has worked with Dixie.  Both times she was very afraid I was mad at 
her and well, who wants to come home to someone who is going to be 
mad at them???  

Try it.  I hope it works for you the way it has with me.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:37 PM
  Subject: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)


  Hi all!  I just thought you might like to hear an uplifting story about a 
PHENOMINAL vet (seems we get to hear a lot about not-so-good vets...thought I'd 
share a good story).  It's kinda long, but trust me...it's worth the read!

  You all may remember that I found a new vet after Slinky had his 
transfusion and the vet who did it wouldn't try anything else.  I had mentioned 
then that Dr. Garrison read all the research I sent her on IR and did her own 
research, etc.  When I brought Mouse in a couple weeks ago, I noticed that she 
talks to him before doing anything, she knew all about CH and herpes (he has 
herpes) and was supportive of Lysine therapy for the herpes.  I left the 
appointment wishing I could go see her every day! lol  She even supported my 
feeding raw (if it's done right)...and she's an ALLOPATHIC vet!!!  So I was 
already thinking she was amazing!!

  As you read this, keep in mind that I've seen Dr. G THREE TIMES - twice 
with Slinky (including pts) and once with Mouse.  It's not like I've been her 
customer for years or something.

  Here's the sad part of the story:  I think many if not all of you heard 
that on Monday night my new baby Georgia got out of her harness in a park near 
my house and took off.  She's been hiding out in a dense forest in the park 
and, while I've spotted her a couple times, I have not been able to get her 
back yet.  It has been heartbreaking and making me CRAZY (esp. after losing my 
baby Slinky so recently).

  Here's the good part:
 

Re: Rabies wavier

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in
Tennessee, his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's
death on paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

That's the problem, the warning is buried in two pages of TINY text in the
package insert. Not even the vets bother to read it:
http://www.revolution4cats.com/docs/pdf/FullInfill.pdf

My favorite flea product is a shampoo by Zodiac called fleatrol. It's a
shampoo, and it kills fleas and ticks while on the pet, but it doesn't
absorb into their skin like flea repellants do, so when you rinse it off,
all the toxic chemicals are GONE. That being said, the label still reads
"not for use on sick, weak, or debilitated animals or those under 12 weeks
of age. There are new "natural" flea shampoos out there that may be better
for weak or young cats/kittens. I use this Zodiac flea shampoo on MYSELF
after hiking to kill any ticks I may have picked up on the trail. I feel
safe using it on my cats because I use it on myself too. Anything that has
bold text warnings that say "wear gloves when applying, and wash thoroughly
if contact with skin occurs" are NOT GOOD, because this is stuff you plan to
put on your PET'S skin, and LEAVE on there! I mean, think about it, like -
DUH! It's the whole double standard we have for humanity verses everything
else, what's good for them isn't necessarily what's good for US too. After
all, they are JUST animals. (rolling eyes)

I'm going to see what I can turn up for use on younger kittens and cats
under 2 LBS.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[Kelley Saveika]

Which litter?  I think the oldest are as old as 8, maybe 9 weeks even.
The youngest were born on Easter, which would make them a bit over 4
weeks.

No more in my huose for a while, but I was so
happy to get a new foster today.   We were able to rescue a singed
kitten found in someone's car engine.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


2 lbs does seem large.. I think other products might be able to be used
before then. How old are they now? I know you've said it like 50 times, but
I'm such a black hole. :-)

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

2 lbs does seem large.. I think other products might be able to be used
before then. How old are they now? I know you've said it like 50 times, but
I'm such a black hole. :-)

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

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Every "what if" I have experienced in the past brought me to a new awareness
in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from them.
"What if" I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that
night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I
have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard
lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when
I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never
wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I
learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. "What if" I had just not let
him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT,
now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from
that "what if" as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a
death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a
cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and
I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets
since by telling THEIR owners "don't listen to your vet, there ARE options!"
I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be
sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong,
but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I
swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these "second chances"
just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list
of all the "what if's" I've experienced in my years with cats, all my
regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW
HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no
matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that
none of their lives were in vain.


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Re: Rabies wavier

[MaryChristine]

WRONG WRONG WRONG--in most states, unless it's been given by a licensed vet,
it doesn't count. you could have the vial in your hand, and the cat is
considered unvaccinated. you can BUY it, but most of the places that
sell it have disclaimers about it being not having any standing in law.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 "I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me."

In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and
squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat "vaccinated". No-one can say you
DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to "prove" you bought
it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think
http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines.

Phaewryn

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Re: question on test result

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

My thoughts about FELV and euth'ing them just because of the test results
are this:

Isn't every moment in life a moment for a discovery, a moment to find joy, a
moment to know what it is to be loved? Is it fair for us to take ANY of
those moments away from any living thing just because they MIGHT later get
sick and die? True, many FELV+ cats do eventually get sick and die or have
to be put down, BUT, I think life is better measured by it's QUALITY rather
than it's QUANTITY! Even short lives can be filled with happiness, love, and
joy. Just because something is short-lived, doesn't mean it's not worth
experiencing. EVERY life has a purpose, everything is here for a reason, and
all the creatures that enter our lives are here to teach us something. I've
said it before, and I will quote it again, from Moogie's memorial page:

In Memory Of Moogie

  I can look back and know that even though she only lived just over a year,
she had all of the good experiences any cat could have in a lifetime, she
just did it a little faster than most.

Sickly kitties give more love.

I hope everyone opens their heart to a sickly kitty and gives it the best
life possible.

  Sickly kitties need more love, more time, more attention, and more
devotion, but they give it all back to you. Sickly kitties snuggle up under
your covers at night because they have a hard time staying warm on their
own. Sickly kitties trust you 100%, because sickly kitties know that you
crawl on your hands and knees on the way to the toilet in the middle of the
night just so you don't step on the sickly kitty stretched across the hall
way floor that doesn't have enough energy (or desire) to move out of your
way. Sickly kitties know that if suddenly their food begins to taste bad and
they don't want to eat it any more, you will go to the grocery store and buy
them a carton of light cream and some ham lunch meat. Sickly kitties know
that sudden trips to the vet to get rehydrated because mom had to be at work
for 8 hours and couldn't be home to force feed water 3 cc's at a time are
the norm, and no work schedule is more important than rehydrating the sickly
kitty. Sickly kitties know that even though they feel really bad, in a few
days mom will make it all better again, and they can enjoy a few more weeks
under the covers with mom at night, a few more weeks walking across mom's
keyboard on the weekends. Sickly kitties know that mom never lies, mom never
ignores them, and mom never puts them in second place. In the end, sickly
kitties know that mom will be there and hold them and tell them everything
is OK, and that it's OK to go to sleep, and as they close their eyes and let
go, sickly kitties know that mom loves them, and always will, and mom knows
the love is a mutual feeling.

  Sure, it hurts, but I get a lot in return for my efforts, it makes me feel
good inside, and that's the best feeling in the world. I have no regrets.
Life is a roller coaster of emotion, you might as well be in the front seat
where the view is good, and the wind is in your face.

From: http://ucat.us/Moogie/index.html

(sorry for making everyone cry again)



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Re: Rabies wavier

[Kelley Saveika]

They've thought of that.  We can give FELV and FVRCP vaccines, but
rabies shots must be administerd by a veterinarian (not even a vet
tech...a veterinarian licensed to practice in the state of TX) or they
don't count.  I also cannot legally place a cat over the age of 3
months without a valid rabies shot.  So even when rescues xfer cats
among each other they have to take the cat to the vet for a rabies
shot first.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me."

In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and
squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat "vaccinated". No-one can say you
DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to "prove" you bought
it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think
http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

That is EXACTLY the attitude you NEED to have! At least you gave them a
CHANCE! I agree with your vet.

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Re: Rabies wavier

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

"I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me."

In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and
squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat "vaccinated". No-one can say you
DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to "prove" you bought
it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think
http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources

http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303
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Re: question on test result

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

There are slight positives and strong positives. That is true, however, this
vet is crazy, even allowing that she is right about that! You took an
INJURED cat to her, and she did NOTHING to treat the INJURIES, but instead
let the cat sit in a cage suffering for 4 hours and then the ONLY thing she
did was a FELV test? No wonder the cat DIED THERE! Personally, I would
report her to the state veterinary board for malpractice (and the local SPCA
or humane society for cruelty)!

Phaewryn

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[Marissa Johnson]

Thanks, Marylyn!  I've tried most of that (all except the KFC).  That first 
night when she got out, I actually spent the whole night in the park...I came 
home and got my sleeping bag and slept on the ground.  I did see her around 9 
or 9:30, but didn't see her again after that.  I thought I saw her last night 
when I was out there sitting quietly at dusk...but she was moving too fast to 
be sure it was her.
   
  I just got back from knocking on doors asking people to check their yards, 
looking dark quiet places, etc.  And one of my neighbors (the farthest away 
from where I thought she was...and without a yard that backs up to the park) 
just said she saw her walking down the middle of my street at 10ish last night 
(now I was just leaving the park at 10 last night).  I have no idea if it was 
really her she saw (tho she looked at her picture and confirmed it)...but now I 
really don't know what to think!
   
  I have been doing that meditation (someone else on here had posted it)...so 
far nothing.  But I'm still doing it (along with praying, etc.) and am hopeful 
it will work.  Thanks for the advice and keep sending positive vibes!
   
  Marissa

Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Re Georgia from experience with Dixie:
   
  You are frightening her.  Go there and sit/nap/read whatever and she may well 
come to you.  Leave lights on and doors open at home as well as food and forget 
the AD--try KFC or something much more special at the house.  AD is fine in the 
field but home is home!!!  Reach out to her with a heart link.a cord or 
light you see in your heart and mind and link it to her body---show her the way 
home and that you are not mad at her for having a walk about but that it is 
time to come home and do all those things she likes to do with youat home.  
Keep linking her to home.  Cats are very territorial.  Their heart link is as 
much to their home as it is to you.  
   
  This has worked with Dixie.  Both times she was very afraid I was mad at her 
and well, who wants to come home to someone who is going to be mad 
at them???  
   
  Try it.  I hope it works for you the way it has with me.   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:37 PM
  Subject: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)
  

  Hi all!  I just thought you might like to hear an uplifting story about a 
PHENOMINAL vet (seems we get to hear a lot about not-so-good vets...thought I'd 
share a good story).  It's kinda long, but trust me...it's worth the read!
   
  You all may remember that I found a new vet after Slinky had his transfusion 
and the vet who did it wouldn't try anything else.  I had mentioned then that 
Dr. Garrison read all the research I sent her on IR and did her own research, 
etc.  When I brought Mouse in a couple weeks ago, I noticed that she talks to 
him before doing anything, she knew all about CH and herpes (he has herpes) and 
was supportive of Lysine therapy for the herpes.  I left the appointment 
wishing I could go see her every day! lol  She even supported my feeding raw 
(if it's done right)...and she's an ALLOPATHIC vet!!!  So I was already 
thinking she was amazing!!
   
  As you read this, keep in mind that I've seen Dr. G THREE TIMES - twice with 
Slinky (including pts) and once with Mouse.  It's not like I've been her 
customer for years or something.
   
  Here's the sad part of the story:  I think many if not all of you heard that 
on Monday night my new baby Georgia got out of her harness in a park near my 
house and took off.  She's been hiding out in a dense forest in the park and, 
while I've spotted her a couple times, I have not been able to get her back 
yet.  It has been heartbreaking and making me CRAZY (esp. after losing my baby 
Slinky so recently).
   
  Here's the good part:
  When Georgia took off, one of the first things I did was call Dr. Garrison to 
see if she had any suggestions or resources or anything.  She took a 
description, said they'd keep an eye out, and gave me some good ideas.
   
  Yesterday afternoon SHE CALLED ME to ask if I had seen her yet!!!  I thought 
that in and of itself was pretty awesome.  Then she OFFERED TO COME OUT AND 
HELP ME LOOK FOR HER AFTER SHE GOT OFF WORK AT 7!  I could NOT 
believe it  She said to call her if she hadn't turned up by shortly before 
7.  When I called her she asked if I needed any supplies and I suggested she 
bring some a/d since it's smelly and Georgia has eaten it for me.
  

Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[Marylyn]

Re Georgia from experience with Dixie:

You are frightening her.  Go there and sit/nap/read whatever and she may well 
come to you.  Leave lights on and doors open at home as well as food and forget 
the AD--try KFC or something much more special at the house.  AD is fine in the 
field but home is home!!!  Reach out to her with a heart link.a cord or 
light you see in your heart and mind and link it to her body---show her the way 
home and that you are not mad at her for having a walk about but that it is 
time to come home and do all those things she likes to do with youat home.  
Keep linking her to home.  Cats are very territorial.  Their heart link is as 
much to their home as it is to you.  

This has worked with Dixie.  Both times she was very afraid I was mad at her 
and well, who wants to come home to someone who is going to be mad 
at them???  

Try it.  I hope it works for you the way it has with me.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:37 PM
  Subject: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)


  Hi all!  I just thought you might like to hear an uplifting story about a 
PHENOMINAL vet (seems we get to hear a lot about not-so-good vets...thought I'd 
share a good story).  It's kinda long, but trust me...it's worth the read!

  You all may remember that I found a new vet after Slinky had his transfusion 
and the vet who did it wouldn't try anything else.  I had mentioned then that 
Dr. Garrison read all the research I sent her on IR and did her own research, 
etc.  When I brought Mouse in a couple weeks ago, I noticed that she talks to 
him before doing anything, she knew all about CH and herpes (he has herpes) and 
was supportive of Lysine therapy for the herpes.  I left the appointment 
wishing I could go see her every day! lol  She even supported my feeding raw 
(if it's done right)...and she's an ALLOPATHIC vet!!!  So I was already 
thinking she was amazing!!

  As you read this, keep in mind that I've seen Dr. G THREE TIMES - twice with 
Slinky (including pts) and once with Mouse.  It's not like I've been her 
customer for years or something.

  Here's the sad part of the story:  I think many if not all of you heard that 
on Monday night my new baby Georgia got out of her harness in a park near my 
house and took off.  She's been hiding out in a dense forest in the park and, 
while I've spotted her a couple times, I have not been able to get her back 
yet.  It has been heartbreaking and making me CRAZY (esp. after losing my baby 
Slinky so recently).

  Here's the good part:
  When Georgia took off, one of the first things I did was call Dr. Garrison to 
see if she had any suggestions or resources or anything.  She took a 
description, said they'd keep an eye out, and gave me some good ideas.

  Yesterday afternoon SHE CALLED ME to ask if I had seen her yet!!!  I thought 
that in and of itself was pretty awesome.  Then she OFFERED TO COME OUT AND 
HELP ME LOOK FOR HER AFTER SHE GOT OFF WORK AT 7!  I could NOT 
believe it  She said to call her if she hadn't turned up by shortly before 
7.  When I called her she asked if I needed any supplies and I suggested she 
bring some a/d since it's smelly and Georgia has eaten it for me.

  She had already mapquested the park, knew how to get there, etc. (she didn't 
know where it was the first night I called her).  She came out and met me at 
the park with 2 cans of A/D...and wouldn't let me pay her for them!  I had said 
that it would be helpful just to have someone there to help me strategize about 
where to put things, etc.  Not only did she do that, but she spent the next 
hour or more tromping through the DENSE forest full of thorny vines and 
brambles trying to flush Georgia out and scare her toward me.  

  She kept tromping through and looking while I went to meet a rescuer who was 
bringing me a trap at the entrance to the park.  She watched while the rescuer 
showed me how to set it - with absolutely no pretense of "I'm a vet and I know 
everything" or anything like that.  In fact, she ended up being like the good 
friend you take to an important doctor's appointment...she asked really great 
questions that, in sleep-deprived and stressed out state, I wasn't thinking of! 
 

  At this point it was dusk and she was going to head out, but I planned to sit 
out there for a while and see if I could spot Georgia.  Dr. G asked if I'd had 
dinner...and then went to McDonalds and brought dinner back to me  
She even walk

Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

[Marissa Johnson]

Hi all!  I just thought you might like to hear an uplifting story about a 
PHENOMINAL vet (seems we get to hear a lot about not-so-good vets...thought I'd 
share a good story).  It's kinda long, but trust me...it's worth the read!
   
  You all may remember that I found a new vet after Slinky had his transfusion 
and the vet who did it wouldn't try anything else.  I had mentioned then that 
Dr. Garrison read all the research I sent her on IR and did her own research, 
etc.  When I brought Mouse in a couple weeks ago, I noticed that she talks to 
him before doing anything, she knew all about CH and herpes (he has herpes) and 
was supportive of Lysine therapy for the herpes.  I left the appointment 
wishing I could go see her every day! lol  She even supported my feeding raw 
(if it's done right)...and she's an ALLOPATHIC vet!!!  So I was already 
thinking she was amazing!!
   
  As you read this, keep in mind that I've seen Dr. G THREE TIMES - twice with 
Slinky (including pts) and once with Mouse.  It's not like I've been her 
customer for years or something.
   
  Here's the sad part of the story:  I think many if not all of you heard that 
on Monday night my new baby Georgia got out of her harness in a park near my 
house and took off.  She's been hiding out in a dense forest in the park and, 
while I've spotted her a couple times, I have not been able to get her back 
yet.  It has been heartbreaking and making me CRAZY (esp. after losing my baby 
Slinky so recently).
   
  Here's the good part:
  When Georgia took off, one of the first things I did was call Dr. Garrison to 
see if she had any suggestions or resources or anything.  She took a 
description, said they'd keep an eye out, and gave me some good ideas.
   
  Yesterday afternoon SHE CALLED ME to ask if I had seen her yet!!!  I thought 
that in and of itself was pretty awesome.  Then she OFFERED TO COME OUT AND 
HELP ME LOOK FOR HER AFTER SHE GOT OFF WORK AT 7!  I could NOT 
believe it  She said to call her if she hadn't turned up by shortly before 
7.  When I called her she asked if I needed any supplies and I suggested she 
bring some a/d since it's smelly and Georgia has eaten it for me.
   
  She had already mapquested the park, knew how to get there, etc. (she didn't 
know where it was the first night I called her).  She came out and met me at 
the park with 2 cans of A/D...and wouldn't let me pay her for them!  I had said 
that it would be helpful just to have someone there to help me strategize about 
where to put things, etc.  Not only did she do that, but she spent the next 
hour or more tromping through the DENSE forest full of thorny vines and 
brambles trying to flush Georgia out and scare her toward me.  
   
  She kept tromping through and looking while I went to meet a rescuer who was 
bringing me a trap at the entrance to the park.  She watched while the rescuer 
showed me how to set it - with absolutely no pretense of "I'm a vet and I know 
everything" or anything like that.  In fact, she ended up being like the good 
friend you take to an important doctor's appointment...she asked really great 
questions that, in sleep-deprived and stressed out state, I wasn't thinking of! 
 
   
  At this point it was dusk and she was going to head out, but I planned to sit 
out there for a while and see if I could spot Georgia.  Dr. G asked if I'd had 
dinner...and then went to McDonalds and brought dinner back to me  
She even walked the long way around the park so she could check out the nearby 
houses and see if she could see Georgia  
   
  When she came back with my food, she said she was going to the natural pet 
food store (where the owner is my friend and had recommended Dr. G to me) today 
and she could drop off flyers there AND since the humane society was just down 
the street, she'd go there and see if they had Georgia and leave flyers there 
as well!
   
  While I was typing this just now, she called again for an update!  She said 
she left flyers at the food store and went by the shelter but that, oddly, 
they're closed on Wednesdays!  So she said she'd GO BACK TOMORROW on her lunch 
break just on the off chance that she's there!  She'll leave flyers with 
them as well.  Her help and support has done SO MUCH to lift my spirits in this 
horrible time!  
   
  I was already wanting to nominate her for "vet of the year" BEFORE all 
this  And now I'm just totally stunned!!  I've never heard of a vet going 
this far above and beyond the call of duty!  When I told her she's the best vet 
in the universe, she said, "well I don't know about that but I have lost enough 
animals to know how stressful it is."  She's really doing this out of the 
kindness of her heart and because she knows how hard it is.  I can't even put 
into words how THRILLED I am to have her for my vet!  
   
  And of course, this means that I can never leave this area...unless of course 
she moves!  And one of my friend

Re: Rabies wavier

[Marylyn]

Unfortunately, in addition to rabies, coons get canine distemper which many 
people think is rabies.  When this happens in a populated area here, coons 
are fair game.  For the sick ones, it is probably merciful but for the 
healthy ones it is hell.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Rabies wavier



they are rabies phobic here.

I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon.  He
called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon
killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing.

On 5/9/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the 
vaccination
to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I 
told
his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate.   I can't stand it when they take 
it

on themselves to decide something like that.  Needless to say I will
continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years.
It is a shame titers aren't allowed.  There are some people trying to
finance a  long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out 
at

www.rabieschallengefund.com  if you like.  I really thought KY wasn't pet
friendly.  No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving 
there

in this life time.  I


If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
 St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Rabies wavier


>I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change
> vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread
> and cheese.  I love him.
>
> The law here does NOT allow titers.  There are NO waivers, from
> anything I can tell.  I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either
> way.  The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much
> higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her.
>
> I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
> required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
> fall on me.  The statement he made was that the pet is required to
> have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot.  No
> exceptions, no exclusions.  So if he were strictly following the law
> he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that
> he wouldn't do it.
>
> On 5/8/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'd get a new vet.  Usually the law requires the owner to get the
>> vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless.  I'd also check with 
>> the

>> state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning
>> friend
>> do the checking under his/her name).  In Ky the waivers can be 
>> obtained
>> based on a vet's statement.  Titers are also accepted.  And this is 
>> not a

>> pet friendly state.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have men who 
>> will

>> exclude any of God's creatures
>> from the shelter of
>> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>> will deal likewise 
>> with

>> their fellow man.
>>  St.
>> Francis
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Rabies wavier
>>
>>
>> > All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
>> > requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal 
>> > on

>> > the spot.  No waivers.
>> >
>> > Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
>> >
>> > On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> It varies from state to state and county to county.  I'm in 
>> >> northern

>> >> California.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from 
>> >> your

>> >> vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are
>> >> otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
>> >> privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a
>> >> waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that

good recap of what we know about the pet-food recall

[MaryChristine]

CROSSPOST RESPONSIBLY

http://www.petconnection.com/blog/

today's blog (wednesday, may 9, 2007) by christie keith has some GREAT links
in it to "classic" explanations (and spins) that have come out of the mess
so far. if you haven't read some of the references yet, you might want to.

she makes reference to the chat that was held last night at
www.pethobbyist.com. as one of the people trying to keep order as a host, i
can tell you it was wild! we had 199 people in the room at one point, and
when we ended officially at 11:30, there were still well over one hundred
people there. a transcript will be available in the next day or so, and a
second panel discussion is in the works--we did NOT get to everyone's
questions!

MC

--

Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

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Re: Rabies wavier

[Kelley Saveika]

I can't imagine telling anyone to have a baby animal killed and its
head cut off. I just could not do it.

Fortunately he didn't.

On 5/9/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

that's not just texas--more and more places in the country are just euthing
raccoons on general principles now. even states where rehabbers could take
them in aren't allowed to anymore..

MC


On 5/9/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> they are rabies phobic here.
>
> I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon.  He
> called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon
> killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing.
>
> On 5/9/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the
vaccination
> > to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I
told
> > his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate.   I can't stand it when they take
it
> > on themselves to decide something like that.  Needless to say I will
> > continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years.
> > It is a shame titers aren't allowed.  There are some people trying to
> > finance a  long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out
at
> > www.rabieschallengefund.com   if you like.  I really thought KY wasn't
pet
> > friendly.  No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving
there
> > in this life time.  I
> >
> >
> > If you
have men who will
> > exclude any of God's creatures
> > from
the shelter of
> > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> > will
deal likewise with
> > their fellow man.
> >
 St.
> > Francis
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kelley Saveika" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rabies wavier
> >
> >
> > >I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change
> > > vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread
> > > and cheese.  I love him.
> > >
> > > The law here does NOT allow titers.  There are NO waivers, from
> > > anything I can tell.  I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either
> > > way.  The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much
> > > higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her.
> > >
> > > I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
> > > required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
> > > fall on me.  The statement he made was that the pet is required to
> > > have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot.  No
> > > exceptions, no exclusions.  So if he were strictly following the law
> > > he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that
> > > he wouldn't do it.
> > >
> > > On 5/8/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> I'd get a new vet.  Usually the law requires the owner to get the
> > >> vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless.  I'd also check with
the
> > >> state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning
> > >> friend
> > >> do the checking under his/her name).  In Ky the waivers can be
obtained
> > >> based on a vet's statement.  Titers are also accepted.  And this is
not a
> > >> pet friendly state.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If
you have men who will
> > >> exclude any of God's creatures
> > >> from
the shelter of
> > >> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> > >> will
deal likewise with
> > >> their fellow man.
> > >>
St.
> > >> Francis
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: < felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Rabies wavier
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
> > >> > requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal
on
> > >> > the spot.  No waivers.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
> > >> >
> > >> > On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> It varies from state to state and county to county.  I'm in
northern
> > >> >> California.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from
your
> > >> >> vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots
are
> > >> >> otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
> > >> >> privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or
a
> > >> >> waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another
> > >> >> story.
> > >> >> Nina
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > >> >> > I poste

Re: Rabies wavier

[MaryChristine]

that's not just texas--more and more places in the country are just euthing
raccoons on general principles now. even states where rehabbers could take
them in aren't allowed to anymore..

MC

On 5/9/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


they are rabies phobic here.

I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon.  He
called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon
killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing.

On 5/9/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the
vaccination
> to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I
told
> his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate.   I can't stand it when they take
it
> on themselves to decide something like that.  Needless to say I will
> continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years.
> It is a shame titers aren't allowed.  There are some people trying to
> finance a  long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out
at
> www.rabieschallengefund.com  if you like.  I really thought KY wasn't
pet
> friendly.  No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving
there
> in this life time.  I
>
>
> If you have men who will
> exclude any of God's creatures
> from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>  St.
> Francis
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Rabies wavier
>
>
> >I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change
> > vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread
> > and cheese.  I love him.
> >
> > The law here does NOT allow titers.  There are NO waivers, from
> > anything I can tell.  I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either
> > way.  The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much
> > higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her.
> >
> > I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
> > required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
> > fall on me.  The statement he made was that the pet is required to
> > have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot.  No
> > exceptions, no exclusions.  So if he were strictly following the law
> > he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that
> > he wouldn't do it.
> >
> > On 5/8/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I'd get a new vet.  Usually the law requires the owner to get the
> >> vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless.  I'd also check with
the
> >> state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning
> >> friend
> >> do the checking under his/her name).  In Ky the waivers can be
obtained
> >> based on a vet's statement.  Titers are also accepted.  And this is
not a
> >> pet friendly state.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you have men who
will
> >> exclude any of God's creatures
> >> from the shelter of
> >> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> >> will deal likewise
with
> >> their fellow man.
> >>  St.
> >> Francis
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Rabies wavier
> >>
> >>
> >> > All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
> >> > requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal
on
> >> > the spot.  No waivers.
> >> >
> >> > Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
> >> >
> >> > On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> It varies from state to state and county to county.  I'm in
northern
> >> >> California.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from
your
> >> >> vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots
are
> >> >> otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
> >> >> privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or
a
> >> >> waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another
> >> >> story.
> >> >> Nina
> >> >>
> >> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >> >> > I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body
of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > law.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you
can
> >> >> > find something please let me know.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Rescuties - Saving the 

Re: Rabies wavier

[Kelley Saveika]

they are rabies phobic here.

I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon.  He
called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon
killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing.

On 5/9/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination
to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told
his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate.   I can't stand it when they take it
on themselves to decide something like that.  Needless to say I will
continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years.
It is a shame titers aren't allowed.  There are some people trying to
finance a  long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at
www.rabieschallengefund.com  if you like.  I really thought KY wasn't pet
friendly.  No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there
in this life time.  I


If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
 St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Rabies wavier


>I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change
> vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread
> and cheese.  I love him.
>
> The law here does NOT allow titers.  There are NO waivers, from
> anything I can tell.  I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either
> way.  The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much
> higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her.
>
> I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
> required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
> fall on me.  The statement he made was that the pet is required to
> have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot.  No
> exceptions, no exclusions.  So if he were strictly following the law
> he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that
> he wouldn't do it.
>
> On 5/8/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'd get a new vet.  Usually the law requires the owner to get the
>> vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless.  I'd also check with the
>> state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning
>> friend
>> do the checking under his/her name).  In Ky the waivers can be obtained
>> based on a vet's statement.  Titers are also accepted.  And this is not a
>> pet friendly state.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have men who will
>> exclude any of God's creatures
>> from the shelter of
>> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>> will deal likewise with
>> their fellow man.
>>  St.
>> Francis
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Rabies wavier
>>
>>
>> > All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
>> > requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on
>> > the spot.  No waivers.
>> >
>> > Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
>> >
>> > On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> It varies from state to state and county to county.  I'm in northern
>> >> California.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your
>> >> vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are
>> >> otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
>> >> privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a
>> >> waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another
>> >> story.
>> >> Nina
>> >>
>> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> >> > I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of
>> >> > the
>> >> > law.
>> >> >
>> >> > It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can
>> >> > find something please let me know.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>> >
>> > http://www.rescuties.org
>> >
>> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>> >
>> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>> >
>> > Please help Gandalf!
>> >
>> > http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty
>> >
>> > I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>> >
>> > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
>> > Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 

Re: Rabies wavier

[Marylyn]

That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination 
to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told 
his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate.   I can't stand it when they take it 
on themselves to decide something like that.  Needless to say I will 
continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years.
It is a shame titers aren't allowed.  There are some people trying to 
finance a  long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at 
www.rabieschallengefund.com  if you like.  I really thought KY wasn't pet 
friendly.  No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there 
in this life time.  I



If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Rabies wavier



I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change
vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread
and cheese.  I love him.

The law here does NOT allow titers.  There are NO waivers, from
anything I can tell.  I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either
way.  The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much
higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her.

I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me.  The statement he made was that the pet is required to
have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot.  No
exceptions, no exclusions.  So if he were strictly following the law
he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that
he wouldn't do it.

On 5/8/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'd get a new vet.  Usually the law requires the owner to get the
vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless.  I'd also check with the
state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning 
friend

do the checking under his/her name).  In Ky the waivers can be obtained
based on a vet's statement.  Titers are also accepted.  And this is not a
pet friendly state.






If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
 St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Rabies wavier


> All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
> requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on
> the spot.  No waivers.
>
> Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
>
> On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It varies from state to state and county to county.  I'm in northern
>> California.
>>
>>
>> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your
>> vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are
>> otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
>> privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a
>> waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another 
>> story.

>> Nina
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of 
>> > the

>> > law.
>> >
>> > It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can
>> > find something please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Gandalf!
>
> http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty
>
> I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
>
> Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
>






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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Please help Gandalf!

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

[Susan Hoffman]

Zithromax is considered safe for pregnant and nursing moms.  I googled it once 
upon a time and found the information (breeder related but it may be on the 
manufacturer's packaging.)  ust google it and you'll find it.  Your vet is 
definitely wrong on this one.
   
  I have also used Advantage on tiny kittens.  I just do a dab on my fingertip 
and touch to the back of the kitten's neck.  I've never had an adverse reaction 
but you can always wash them off if you get nervous.  I reserve Revolution of 
those over 4 months

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I know, Nina. I'm not good at making these decisions. Why can't they
be 2 lb already, g.

On 5/9/07, Nina wrote:
> Kelley,
> This is the second time you've mentioned your kitten's flea problem. If
> your kitten's flea infestation is great, they could be causing more
> problems than the risks of treating them, (I'm sure you know that
> kittens can develop anemia from the little blood suckers). I know these
> guys have serious URI symptoms. You are there, you would know better
> than me if it's worth it, or not. I just wanted to mention that I have
> applied the tiniest amount of advantage to healthy kittens as young as 3
> weeks old. I put a drop of advantage on the end of a qtip and then
> apply that to the kitten. The next day, no more fleas. I wouldn't use
> revolution because of what happened to Kerry's kitty, (as Phaewryn just
> reminded us).
> Nina
>
> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > I can ask in the future that they not apply it to the pregnant cats.
> > Unfortunately that doesn't mean they will remember. My poor nursing
> > mom is not even getting zithro...vet said no studies have been done.
> >
> > I have not treated my kittens for fleas at all, other than combing and
> > bathing them, and I'm not bathing them atm because they are sick.
> >
> > So on top of everything else we have fleas...my vet will not allow me
> > to give capstar at less than 2 lb. 2 lb seems like a HUGE cat to me
> > now.
> >
> > On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few years back, it's
> >> totally
> >> NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or debilitated cats or
> >> kittens.
> >> We were even successful at having the internationally distributed label
> >> changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label said that
> >> warning (it's
> >> called a different brand overseas - but it's the same product). Just
> >> wanted
> >> to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat with it at the
> >> shelter.
> >> I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the label says it's OK.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phaewryn
> >>
> >> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
> >> Special Needs Cat Resources
> >>
> >> http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303
> >> Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Gandalf!

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?) - householdremedies

[MaryChristine]

we are SUCH an odd group of people.



On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 The vet I worked for use super glue exclusively instead of tissue glue.
In fact, we once ran out in the middle of puppy dew claw removal, and I had
to run to the store and buy a tube! It's also a great thing to have on hand
in any human emergency kit for the same reason. I use it all the time to
glue down "hangnails" and to close my papercuts.

Phaewryn

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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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ICQ: 289856892

Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[Nina]

Yep, there's a 'bus' with your name on it out there somewhere.  Now that 
is guaranteed. 
N


MaryChristine wrote:
and the real thing that people keep forgetting is that there are no 
guarantees for the kitties who DON'T have FeLV! your $2,500 showcat 
can fall over permanently from HCM, anyone can throw a blood clot, 
etc. same with people--if we stop loving other living things because 
they're gonna get sick and die, well, think about it


MC

On 5/9/07, *Sheryl Spagg* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Thanks Nina.  I actually called my vet and talked to
my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS.
She explained to me about the disease and told me
about a kitten she had that was positive and she had
to find a home for but other than that there was NO
talk of PTS.  Any vet that tells people that has
certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by
any means, but there is no way I would put a
cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of
getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I
already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have
issues (Diabetes & Seizures) so you never know if a
cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that
matter...it is life and you deal with it...you
certainly don't give up!
Sheryl

Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[MaryChristine]

and the real thing that people keep forgetting is that there are no
guarantees for the kitties who DON'T have FeLV! your $2,500 showcat can fall
over permanently from HCM, anyone can throw a blood clot, etc. same with
people--if we stop loving other living things because they're gonna get sick
and die, well, think about it

MC

On 5/9/07, Sheryl Spagg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks Nina.  I actually called my vet and talked to
my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS.
She explained to me about the disease and told me
about a kitten she had that was positive and she had
to find a home for but other than that there was NO
talk of PTS.  Any vet that tells people that has
certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by
any means, but there is no way I would put a
cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of
getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I
already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have
issues (Diabetes & Seizures) so you never know if a
cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that
matter...it is life and you deal with it...you
certainly don't give up!
Sheryl


--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hurray!  Thank you for reminding me once again how
> the rewards of being
> a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we
> endure.  It's filled
> with people just like the two of you.  People that
> put their intuition
> and heart before the advice of others that don't
> know any better, or
> have found themselves in circumstances that they
> feel force them to make
> such drastic and final choices.  One loving guardian
> at a time, one
> educated vet at a time, we are making a difference
> in our world.
> Much love, happiness and health to you and your
> households,
> Nina
>
> Sheryl Spagg wrote:
> > Hi Deana,
> > Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and
> I
> > rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month
> old
> > boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma
> turned
> > up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to
> have
> > all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't
> do
> > it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
> > disease to take happy healthy kittens and have
> them
> > PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that
> I
> > know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
> > have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at
> all
> > so who knows if for one the test was right or if
> the
> > babies will even get it.  We have actually already
> > found homes for the boy and one of the babies in
> the
> > same home and the family has decided to give the
> FeLV
> > vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can
> and
> > will have a better chance at life because we chose
> not
> > to PTS...keep up the good work with the
> kittens...it
> > is so worth it.
> > Sheryl
> >
> >
> > --- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I am new to the list and need some advice.  We
> have
> >> a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there
> has
> >> been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
> >> possible.  I have been successful in turning two
> of
> >> them into great house cats.   One was negative
> and
> >> vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
> >> months now. The other kitty is several years old
> and
> >> was spayed, but as far as I know she
> wasnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
> >> decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had
> her
> >> tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect
> she
> >> is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped.
> She
> >> is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like
> a true
> >> feral.
> >> Another feral in the neighborhood had a little
> late
> >> last summer.  Before I could capture these guys,
> one
> >> of the females got pregnant and delivered the
> litter
> >> of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a
> day
> >> old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray
> mother
> >> and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went
> up
> >> a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her,
> with
> >> no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
> >> hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr
> and
> >> feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
> >> for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
> >> the night on Sunday night in a rain storm,
> obviously
> >> in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when
> I
> >> was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding
> the
> >> kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they
> opened
> >> yesterday morning, but she died from the
> injuries.
> >> The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with
> the
> >> comment that if the cat was positive, you
> wouldnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported
> there
> >> was a negative test, then a second test was
> >> positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
> >> kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that
> they
> >> were positive.
> >>
> >> I havenâEUR^(T

Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

[Kelley Saveika]

I know, Nina. I'm not good at making these decisions.  Why can't they
be 2 lb already, g.

On 5/9/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kelley,
This is the second time you've mentioned your kitten's flea problem.  If
your kitten's flea infestation is great, they could be causing more
problems than the risks of treating them, (I'm sure you know that
kittens can develop anemia from the little blood suckers).  I know these
guys have serious URI symptoms.  You are there, you would know better
than me if it's worth it, or not.  I just wanted to mention that I have
applied the tiniest amount of advantage to healthy kittens as young as 3
weeks old.  I put a drop of advantage on the end of a qtip and then
apply that to the kitten.  The next day, no more fleas.  I wouldn't use
revolution because of what happened to Kerry's kitty, (as Phaewryn just
reminded us).
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> I can ask in the future that they not apply it to the pregnant cats.
> Unfortunately that doesn't mean they will remember.   My poor nursing
> mom is not even getting zithro...vet said no studies have been done.
>
> I have not treated my kittens for fleas at all, other than combing and
> bathing them, and I'm not bathing them atm because they are sick.
>
> So on top of everything else we have fleas...my vet will not allow me
> to give capstar at less than 2 lb.  2 lb seems like a HUGE cat to me
> now.
>
> On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few years back, it's
>> totally
>> NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or debilitated cats or
>> kittens.
>> We were even successful at having the internationally distributed label
>> changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label said that
>> warning (it's
>> called a different brand overseas - but it's the same product). Just
>> wanted
>> to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat with it at the
>> shelter.
>> I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the label says it's OK.
>>
>>
>> Phaewryn
>>
>> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
>> Special Needs Cat Resources
>>
>> http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303
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>






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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

[Nina]

Kelley,
This is the second time you've mentioned your kitten's flea problem.  If 
your kitten's flea infestation is great, they could be causing more 
problems than the risks of treating them, (I'm sure you know that 
kittens can develop anemia from the little blood suckers).  I know these 
guys have serious URI symptoms.  You are there, you would know better 
than me if it's worth it, or not.  I just wanted to mention that I have 
applied the tiniest amount of advantage to healthy kittens as young as 3 
weeks old.  I put a drop of advantage on the end of a qtip and then 
apply that to the kitten.  The next day, no more fleas.  I wouldn't use 
revolution because of what happened to Kerry's kitty, (as Phaewryn just 
reminded us).

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

I can ask in the future that they not apply it to the pregnant cats.
Unfortunately that doesn't mean they will remember.   My poor nursing
mom is not even getting zithro...vet said no studies have been done.

I have not treated my kittens for fleas at all, other than combing and
bathing them, and I'm not bathing them atm because they are sick.

So on top of everything else we have fleas...my vet will not allow me
to give capstar at less than 2 lb.  2 lb seems like a HUGE cat to me
now.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few years back, it's 
totally
NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or debilitated cats or 
kittens.

We were even successful at having the internationally distributed label
changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label said that 
warning (it's
called a different brand overseas - but it's the same product). Just 
wanted
to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat with it at the 
shelter.

I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the label says it's OK.


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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[Sheryl Spagg]

This totally makes sense because the 6 month old kitty
I have who is fighting a URI was also given Revolution
after he was neutered last Friday.  He has since lost
some hair and has redness on the sides of him.  I plan
to call MY vet today to ask about them because I want
to make sure they won't get any worse...why do vets
use it on young weak kitties if they know it isn't
good?  It wasn't my vet who gave it...it was the vet
who preformed the neuter on a sick kitty...not sure
why any of the stuff was done to him that was because
not only is he underweight but he also has a URI that
is now worse because he was put under for the
neuter...doesn't make sense to me...thank heavens it
isn't my vet!!!


--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few
> years back, it's totally
> NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or
> debilitated cats or kittens.
> We were even successful at having the
> internationally distributed label
> changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label
> said that warning (it's
> called a different brand overseas - but it's the
> same product). Just wanted
> to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat
> with it at the shelter.
> I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the
> label says it's OK.
> 
> 
> Phaewryn
> 
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> 
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Re: need advice from new member

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

You need a different vet. He's done two tests, with conflicting results, and
no tests on the kittens, and let he's advocating euth? He's NUTS. Period.
NO, that's not the right thing to do, and NO that's not the usual course of
action. You have an INCOMPETENT VET!

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)

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I'm a keeshond fan myself, closely related in the Spitz family.

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)

[Linda Johnson]

Is this source online?  If so, where?  I'm buying mine
for $17.99 + tax!


--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been told by a country vet that Neosporin is
> safe to use in animal's
> eyes as well. I don't, I buy terramycin (I found a
> source for only $8 a
> tube), but it's supposedly safe to use in the eye.
> 
> Phaewryn
> 
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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[Kelley Saveika]

I can ask in the future that they not apply it to the pregnant cats.
Unfortunately that doesn't mean they will remember.   My poor nursing
mom is not even getting zithro...vet said no studies have been done.

I have not treated my kittens for fleas at all, other than combing and
bathing them, and I'm not bathing them atm because they are sick.

So on top of everything else we have fleas...my vet will not allow me
to give capstar at less than 2 lb.  2 lb seems like a HUGE cat to me
now.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few years back, it's totally
NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or debilitated cats or kittens.
We were even successful at having the internationally distributed label
changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label said that warning (it's
called a different brand overseas - but it's the same product). Just wanted
to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat with it at the shelter.
I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the label says it's OK.


Phaewryn

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?) - householdremedies

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

The vet I worked for use super glue exclusively instead of tissue glue. In
fact, we once ran out in the middle of puppy dew claw removal, and I had to
run to the store and buy a tube! It's also a great thing to have on hand in
any human emergency kit for the same reason. I use it all the time to glue
down "hangnails" and to close my papercuts.

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

[Kelley Saveika]

My vet puts it much less eloquently.  I go in there at least once a
week all upset saying "I'm doing X, Y and Z.  I don't know what to
do."  He always says "It's a virus. There's nothing you CAN do."
(which is not entirely correct, there are supportive things and immune
boosting things, etc - but he means - you can't CURE it.).

If you can let go of needing to control (and if you figure out how to
do that..well, I am still learning.. but when I can do it I find I do
MUCH better).

On 5/9/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Deb,
You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real.  Your household is
indicative of that.  We might never know how it is that you have 3
previously believed neg cats testing pos.  Was the disease dormant in their
systems before they came to you, are they in the process of clearing the
virus, did one carrier give it to the others?  My one piece of advice for
you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms with what mixing
them might mean.  Imho, I don't think you are going to spare any of the negs
from the possibility of whatever fate has in store, they've already had too
much contact together for that.  One of the hardest things we have to learn
in being the guardian of special needs animals is that no matter how
desperately we want to control the outcome, no matter how diligently we arm
ourselves with information and advice, it is ultimately not in our power to
keep them safe from illness.  All we can do is our best to insure that the
time they do have to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and
love that we can offer.  Early on I made the decision that I would opt for
quality of life rather than quantity.  Each and every one of us must make
these types of decisions on our own.  It's a very personal judgement call
that only you can make.  We must weigh the potential consequences and be
ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be.  There are no
guarantees with felv or with life.  Why do you think so many otherwise
caring people still advocate pts?  It's the only sure solution to save you
from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv.  No life,
no felv.

Dealing with the "what ifs" after the fact is always punishing, (what if I'd
kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if I'd
done this or that differently).  Researching my alternatives, knowing I did
the best I could with what I knew at the time, following my intuition and
heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of "what if".
Nina

Deb Stockbridge wrote:
Hi Nina,

I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives
and positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  What I need to
know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough
that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there?
My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I
might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for
but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went
away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get
her completely healthy and a little more weight on her.  My boys seems
healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing
persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to
mix them with my negative boys?  My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and
while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad
coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can she still be with my
negative boys while I treat her.  You said I should've seen her face when I
had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was
crying my eyes out myself:(  She was not put by herself thank god ,
otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her!  She was put
back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't
too distraughtI sure know I was though!!  I know my kits have all been
exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the
do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again.  I think I'm so scared
because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and
showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years.  I then
brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I
never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested.
Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my
oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were
never tested.  None are related.  I was told this is a rare situation and if
FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected?  So I
either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and
the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I
brought in came here with it and spread it to my adu

Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few years back, it's totally
NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or debilitated cats or kittens.
We were even successful at having the internationally distributed label
changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label said that warning (it's
called a different brand overseas - but it's the same product). Just wanted
to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat with it at the shelter.
I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the label says it's OK.


Phaewryn

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

[Nina]

Deb,
You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real.  Your household is 
indicative of that.  We might never know how it is that you have 3 
previously believed neg cats testing pos.  Was the disease dormant in 
their systems before they came to you, are they in the process of 
clearing the virus, did one carrier give it to the others?  My one piece 
of advice for you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms 
with what mixing them might mean.  Imho, I don't think you are going to 
spare any of the negs from the possibility of whatever fate has in 
store, they've already had too much contact together for that.  One of 
the hardest things we have to learn in being the guardian of special 
needs animals is that no matter how desperately we want to control the 
outcome, no matter how diligently we arm ourselves with information and 
advice, it is ultimately not in our power to keep them safe from 
illness.  All we can do is our best to insure that the time they do have 
to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and love that we can 
offer.  Early on I made the decision that I would opt for quality of 
life rather than quantity.  Each and every one of us must make these 
types of decisions on our own.  It's a very personal judgement call that 
only you can make.  We must weigh the potential consequences and be 
ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be.  There are no 
guarantees with felv or with life.  Why do you think so many otherwise 
caring people still advocate pts?  It's the only sure solution to save 
you from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv.  
No life, no felv. 

Dealing with the "what ifs" after the fact is always punishing, (what if 
I'd kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if 
I'd done this or that differently).  Researching my alternatives, 
knowing I did the best I could with what I knew at the time, following 
my intuition and heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of "what 
if".

Nina

Deb Stockbridge wrote:

Hi Nina,
 
I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix 
negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  
What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still 
has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or 
if one sneezes here or there?  My situation as it is now is that I 
have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my 
calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with 
symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't 
let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely 
healthy and a little more weight on her.  My boys seems healthy but 
may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent 
or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix 
them with my negative boys?  My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and 
while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had 
that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can she 
still be with my negative boys while I treat her.  You said I 
should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely 
could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:(  She was 
not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping 
bag and slept with her!  She was put back with her two feline brothers 
who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure 
know I was though!!  I know my kits have all been exposed and I have 
now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and 
don'ts of mixing them all together again.  I think I'm so scared 
because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV 
and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years.  I 
then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative 
and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that 
were tested.  Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ 
cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and 
then the two that were never tested.  None are related.  I was told 
this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then 
why are 3 of mine infected?  So I either have really bad luck and more 
than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that 
were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with 
it and spread it to my adult cat.  I will never know, but after having 
been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with 
still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like 
wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back 
together.  The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was 
after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my 
other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to 
s

Re: question on test result

[Beth Noren]

Hi Deana,
Very glad to hear you are finding a new vet.  I rescued a litter born of a
feral mom who tested negative (we had her spayed and released).  One sick
baby tested positive right away, the other 4 tested negative.  The sick one
developed FIP and had to be pts (but at least had some quality time on this
earth when she was feeling much better), and eventually one of the negatives
tested positive for FeLV, but he is still healthy and going strong at over a
year old, and enjoys every day of his life to the fullest.  His favorite
thing to do is to stomp all over me at 4:00 in the morning and head-butt my
face, and I am mostly just so grateful that he is there to bug me!  :o)  I
would have missed out on all his charm had I euthanized, and I can't even
imagine if my vet had told me to euth the three that are negative too based
on one cat's test.  Thank you for questioning your vet and researching this
for yourself!

Enjoy those babies,
Beth


On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet
office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that
died from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her
to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will
die. (she has never seen them)

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive"
so she ran it again and it was "More positive."   Is there such thing as
slightly positive or is it just yes or no?

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do
know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no
treatment or exam was done before that.
The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

Deana

Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[Sheryl Spagg]

Thanks Nina.  I actually called my vet and talked to
my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS.
 She explained to me about the disease and told me
about a kitten she had that was positive and she had
to find a home for but other than that there was NO
talk of PTS.  Any vet that tells people that has
certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by
any means, but there is no way I would put a
cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of
getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I
already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have
issues (Diabetes & Seizures) so you never know if a
cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that
matter...it is life and you deal with it...you
certainly don't give up!
Sheryl


--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hurray!  Thank you for reminding me once again how
> the rewards of being 
> a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we
> endure.  It's filled 
> with people just like the two of you.  People that
> put their intuition 
> and heart before the advice of others that don't
> know any better, or 
> have found themselves in circumstances that they
> feel force them to make 
> such drastic and final choices.  One loving guardian
> at a time, one 
> educated vet at a time, we are making a difference
> in our world.
> Much love, happiness and health to you and your
> households,
> Nina
> 
> Sheryl Spagg wrote:
> > Hi Deana,
> > Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and
> I
> > rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month
> old
> > boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma
> turned
> > up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to
> have
> > all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't
> do
> > it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
> > disease to take happy healthy kittens and have
> them
> > PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that
> I
> > know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
> > have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at
> all
> > so who knows if for one the test was right or if
> the
> > babies will even get it.  We have actually already
> > found homes for the boy and one of the babies in
> the
> > same home and the family has decided to give the
> FeLV
> > vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can
> and
> > will have a better chance at life because we chose
> not
> > to PTS...keep up the good work with the
> kittens...it
> > is so worth it.
> > Sheryl
> >
> >
> > --- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I am new to the list and need some advice.  We
> have
> >> a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there
> has
> >> been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
> >> possible.  I have been successful in turning two
> of
> >> them into great house cats.   One was negative
> and
> >> vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
> >> months now. The other kitty is several years old
> and
> >> was spayed, but as far as I know she
> wasnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
> >> decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had
> her
> >> tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect
> she
> >> is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. 
> She
> >> is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like
> a true
> >> feral.
> >> Another feral in the neighborhood had a little
> late
> >> last summer.  Before I could capture these guys,
> one
> >> of the females got pregnant and delivered the
> litter
> >> of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a
> day
> >> old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray
> mother
> >> and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went
> up
> >> a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her,
> with
> >> no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
> >> hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr
> and
> >> feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
> >> for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
> >> the night on Sunday night in a rain storm,
> obviously
> >> in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when
> I
> >> was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding
> the
> >> kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they
> opened
> >> yesterday morning, but she died from the
> injuries. 
> >> The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with
> the
> >> comment that if the cat was positive, you
> wouldnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported
> there
> >> was a negative test, then a second test was
> >> positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
> >> kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that
> they
> >> were positive. 
> >>
> >> I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20
> years,
> >> although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was
> >> identified âEUR" so I am not familiar with it.  
> Based
> >> on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions
> >> about test results/vaccinating/etc.  
> >>
> >> We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are
> >> growing like crazy, crawling all over the place
> and

Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[Kelley Saveika]

Phaewryn,

I don't know.  He did tell me we could run a bunch of tests, but that
he wouldn't.  He would treat for the symptoms, and he also constantly
tells me not to beat myself up too much.

I could spend hundreds of dollars trying to figure out what is wrong
with a 3 week old kitten, or I could get a lot of cats altered and
vaccinated for the same amount.   Rescue sucks sometimes.

P.S.  If this were my only kitten, I would have tests done no matter
how much it cost.  But is is more like my 25th kitten.  So far this
year.

I have JUST ABOUT made my peace with "there is no one else wiling to
take these tiny kittens and at least you are giving them a chance."

It is either that, or lose my mind.

On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Certainly there is some way to know WHICH virus it is other than necropsies?
Some sort of DNA test maybe - that you could do on a live cat with a blood
sample?

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Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[Nina]

Hurray!  Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being 
a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure.  It's filled 
with people just like the two of you.  People that put their intuition 
and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or 
have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make 
such drastic and final choices.  One loving guardian at a time, one 
educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world.

Much love, happiness and health to you and your households,
Nina

Sheryl Spagg wrote:

Hi Deana,
Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and I
rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old
boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma turned
up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to have
all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do
it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them
PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I
know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all
so who knows if for one the test was right or if the
babies will even get it.  We have actually already
found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the
same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV
vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and
will have a better chance at life because we chose not
to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it
is so worth it.
Sheryl


--- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

  

I am new to the list and need some advice.  We have
a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has
been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
possible.  I have been successful in turning two of
them into great house cats.   One was negative and
vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
months now. The other kitty is several years old and
was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t
tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her
tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect she
is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped.  She
is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true
feral.
Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late
last summer.  Before I could capture these guys, one
of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter
of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a day
old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother
and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went up
a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her, with
no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr and
feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously
in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when I
was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the
kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they opened
yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. 
The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with the

comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t
want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported there
was a negative test, then a second test was
positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they
were positive. 


I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years,
although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was
identified âEUR" so I am not familiar with it.   Based
on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions
about test results/vaccinating/etc.  


We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are
growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and
donâEUR^(TM)t appear at all sick.  They were only with
their mother just under 24 hours.   (born last
Thursday.)  
Is this common to just give up on the babies without

knowing if they are positive or not? I would
appreciate any advice. 


Thanks
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Re: Rabies wavier

[Kelley Saveika]

I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change
vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread
and cheese.  I love him.

The law here does NOT allow titers.  There are NO waivers, from
anything I can tell.  I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either
way.  The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much
higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her.

I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me.  The statement he made was that the pet is required to
have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot.  No
exceptions, no exclusions.  So if he were strictly following the law
he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that
he wouldn't do it.

On 5/8/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'd get a new vet.  Usually the law requires the owner to get the
vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless.  I'd also check with the
state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend
do the checking under his/her name).  In Ky the waivers can be obtained
based on a vet's statement.  Titers are also accepted.  And this is not a
pet friendly state.






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exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
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Francis
- Original Message -
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Rabies wavier


> All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
> requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on
> the spot.  No waivers.
>
> Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
>
> On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It varies from state to state and county to county.  I'm in northern
>> California.
>>
>>
>> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your
>> vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are
>> otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
>> privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a
>> waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story.
>> Nina
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the
>> > law.
>> >
>> > It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can
>> > find something please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

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Certainly there is some way to know WHICH virus it is other than necropsies?
Some sort of DNA test maybe - that you could do on a live cat with a blood
sample?

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

[Kelley Saveika]

Ok, all kittens seem MUCH better.  I have an adult that refuses to be
syringe fed - she vomits it back up..so I drop bits of food in her
mouth "baby bird" style and she eats them..that zithro is a miracle
cure, I swear.

I really could use your help with a treatment protocol for tinies..I
do not want to lose anymore..most that I lost were asymptomatic...but
my precious little snowshoe was really sick and I have to wonder if
she could have been saved if I could have gotten zithromax sooner..

On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hmmm.  But RULE §169.29 specifically excludes shelters...I wonder why

I'm at work right now but let me do some research later and see what I can
find.

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law.

It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can
find something please let me know.

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/health/zoonosis/laws/vaccine/

On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> What law did you read. (Did I miss an email with a citation?)
>
> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> I did not see anything like that in the law I read. If you see
> something, please let me know.
>
> On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> > That's why I was asking specifically where. Sometimes you just have to
> walk
> > in with the relevant code section or regulation and show them where the
> law
> > says they have discretion for certain medical conditions.
> >
> >
> > On 5/8/07, MaryChristine wrote:
> > > there's lots of places, susan, where rabies vaccinations are
> > mandatory--and
> > > even where strictly they're not, more and more vets are acting as if
> they
> > > are. even one of mine that i've been working with for years won't
> > treat
> > > anyone without PROOF of rabies vaccination.
> > >
> > > in certain states--and i think texas is one--all the s/n pages said
that
> > > dogs and cats WOULD be vaccinated if proof wasn't supplied.
> > >
> > > (but southern states tended, in the past, to have more actual rabies
> than
> > > some others, too)
> > >
> > > MC
> > >
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> > >
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Re: question on test result

[Kelley Saveika]

There *is* such a thing as "light positive", though I've never been
able to pin down what it means, even after having a kitten test light
pos.

Protocol is not to test again immediately, though, it is to wait 6
weeks, then test.  Then if pos again test w/IFA.

I've never heard the term "more positive" - generally it is light pos,
pos or neg.

I don't say this often, but I am almost going to say this would be
worth a complaint to the veterinary board.  If I brought in a dying
cat for treatment and they wasted time testing her, I'd be livid.

I have no idea if she could have been saved or not of course.  But in
my opinion the treatment you got was inexcusable.  When I take cats to
the ER they take me seriously and start treating them right away.

On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet office to pay 
the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that died from the dog 
inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be 
put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she 
has never seen them)

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive" so she ran it 
again and it was "More positive."   Is there such thing as slightly positive or is it 
just yes or no?

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know 
that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or 
exam was done before that.
The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

Deana






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Re: article on releasing /not testing for felk in feral cats

[Kelley Saveika]

Scream!

Shadowcats here is one.  They are also the best known feral group in
our area by far...which means when they teach TNR to people..they
teach it is *unethical* to not kill asymptomatic FELV+ cats...

Although they do not euth for FIV and may not even test for it.

They *do* euth asymptomatic FELV+ cats.  I have had this argument with
their director many times...she doesn't like me much..*sigh*

www.shadowcats.net

On 5/8/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

yep, but there are still "TNR" groups that not only test, but routinely euth
positive cats with FeLV OR FIV...




On 5/8/07, janine paton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm
>
> >From Neighborhood Cats.  It's well written and helped
> one of our hard headed vets understand why we don't
> always want them to test.  She actually got it, and
> said thanks after she read it.
>
> Janine
>
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Re: question on test result

[Debi Holmes]

Deana,
   
  I foster cats and I have had 2 test slightly positive and we always wait 
(though I guess they could not do that with the momma) a few weeks before we 
retest.  On retested negative and one retested positive.  And when they retest 
positive with the snap test we then always do the test that is sent out of the 
office.
   
  I am glad to hear that you are looking for another vet.  Who is she to get 
mad because you were not having the kittens PTS
   
  Debi H.

"Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet 
office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that died 
from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be 
put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she 
has never seen them) 

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive" so 
she ran it again and it was "More positive." Is there such thing as slightly 
positive or is it just yes or no? 

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know 
that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or 
exam was done before that. 
The most important item on the list was this test. 

We are looking for another vet.

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

[Susan Loesch]

Hey, Deb - I also mix my negatives and positives -- and don't isolate anyone 
who is coughing, etc.  I figure that everyone has been exposed anyhow and it is 
probably viral -- and strict isolation isn't possible at my house.  I've never 
been sorry that I've done it this way.

Deb Stockbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hi Nina,
   
  I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives 
and positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  What I need to know 
is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that 
just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there?  My 
situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might 
have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after 
seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I 
can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely 
healthy and a little more weight on her.  My boys seems healthy but may sneeze 
here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis 
so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys?  My 
Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for 
about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell
 she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can she still be with my negative boys while 
I treat her.  You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine 
her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out 
myself:(  She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a 
sleeping bag and slept with her!  She was put back with her two feline brothers 
who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was 
though!!  I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the 
negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all 
together again.  I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy 
cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and 
happily for over 2 years.  I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which 
one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from 
parents that were tested.  Then all of the sudden one gets sick
 and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative 
previously and then the two that were never tested.  None are related.  I was 
told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why 
are 3 of mine infected?  So I either have really bad luck and more than one 
brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant 
nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult 
cat.  I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting 
this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think 
this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them 
all back together.  The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was 
after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits 
didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just 
really followed me around the house all night and
 then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering 
attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much 
contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but 
I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I 
do right by all my cats.  For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I 
know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds 
perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate.  This home might take 
both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them.  So this is where I'm 
at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to 
change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time 
and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) 
   
  Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:)
   
  Deb
   
   
   
   
  From: Nina 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
  

Deb,
I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys.  I'm hoping that 
someone will adopt them together.  Tell those folks to come join us here!

Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already 
have addressed this, but...  I am one of the people that have mixed negs and 
pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated).  I have done this for years 
without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision 
it is to make.  In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and 
didn't find out they

Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

[Deb Stockbridge]

Hi Nina,

I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and 
positives...it's building my confidence more each day.  What I need to know is 
do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just 
won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there?  My situation 
as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes 
for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her 
with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let 
her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a 
little more weight on her.  My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there 
or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just 
wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys?  My Calico girl 
is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours 
,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours.  So can 
she still be with my negative boys while I treat her.  You said I should've 
seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face 
because I was crying my eyes out myself:(  She was not put by herself thank god 
, otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her!  She was put 
back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't 
too distraughtI sure know I was though!!  I know my kits have all been 
exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's 
and don'ts of mixing them all together again.  I think I'm so scared because I 
had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed 
negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years.  I then brought in 3 
more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the 
last two thinking they came from parents that were tested.  Then all of the 
sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who 
tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested.  None are 
related.  I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that 
easily then why are 3 of mine infected?  So I either have really bad luck and 
more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were 
negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread 
it to my adult cat.  I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 
6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that 
makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about 
putting them all back together.  The first night we decided to bring up my 
calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes 
and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see 
her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell 
asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on 
her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 
hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic 
mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my 
cats.  For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a 
move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he 
will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate.  This home might take both boys but I 
won't know until she comes to meet them.  So this is where I'm at right now and 
my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how 
much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as 
much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) 

Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:)

Deb




From: Nina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing


  Deb,
  I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys.  I'm hoping 
that someone will adopt them together.  Tell those folks to come join us here!

  Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may 
already have addressed this, but...  I am one of the people that have mixed 
negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated).  I have done this for 
years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult 
decision it is to make.  In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle 
babies and didn't find out they were pos until they had been mixing freely with 
the rest of the household for months.  It still gave me pause, (because the 
vets and the literature suggested segregating, hell, they suggested euthanizing 
too), but it would have been hard on everyone concerned to separate them at 
that point.  One of my cats at the time was a born-in-the-wild feral t

Re: need advice from new member

[Sheryl Spagg]

Hi Deana,
Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and I
rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old
boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma turned
up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to have
all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do
it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them
PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I
know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all
so who knows if for one the test was right or if the
babies will even get it.  We have actually already
found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the
same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV
vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and
will have a better chance at life because we chose not
to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it
is so worth it.
Sheryl


--- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I am new to the list and need some advice.  We have
> a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has
> been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
> possible.  I have been successful in turning two of
> them into great house cats.   One was negative and
> vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
> months now. The other kitty is several years old and
> was spayed, but as far as I know she wasn’t
> tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
> decided to be a house cat. I haven’t had her
> tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect she
> is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped.  She
> is a Rag Doll and really doesn’t act like a true
> feral.
> Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late
> last summer.  Before I could capture these guys, one
> of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter
> of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a day
> old, a neighbor’s dog attacked the stray mother
> and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went up
> a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her, with
> no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
> hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr and
> feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
> for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
> the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously
> in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when I
> was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the
> kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they opened
> yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. 
> The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with the
> comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldn’t
> want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported there
> was a negative test, then a second test was
> positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
> kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they
> were positive. 
> 
> I haven’t had cats much for the last 20 years,
> although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was
> identified – so I am not familiar with it.   Based
> on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions
> about test results/vaccinating/etc.  
> 
> We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are
> growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and
> don’t appear at all sick.  They were only with
> their mother just under 24 hours.   (born last
> Thursday.)  
> Is this common to just give up on the babies without
> knowing if they are positive or not? I would
> appreciate any advice. 
> 
> Thanks
> Deana
> 
> 
> 


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