Re: [Felvtalk] Whoo Hooo!! CBCs are in-Rosie and Murphy
That is great news, Alice. It is wonderful that they are improving and that their blood work reflects the playfulness and energy they now have. Being proactive, rather than resigned to their slow and painful demise is real care in my estimation. I am following your results with a lot of hope. Great work! Jane On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: Our vet just called-the blood tests results from this morning are back and they are both improving! Rosie's platelets are in the normal range too! She said there is a buzz in the office and they have been telling their other patients about this product and how it appears promising. We will retest in 2 weeks and will be cutting down from once weekly injections. This one tonight will only be the 3rd one. We are following the manufacturer's protocol to be sure it is effective. We did not wait for them to "crash" before starting the treatments, hoping to get months, not weeks-but it is looking better than that, but I am afraid to hope for too much-I am grateful for every "healthy" appearing day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whoo Hooo!! CBCs are in-Rosie and Murphy
GREAT NEWS!!! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Whoo Hooo!! CBCs are in-Rosie and Murphy Our vet just called-the blood tests results from this morning are back and they are both improving! Rosie's platelets are in the normal range too! She said there is a buzz in the office and they have been telling their other patients about this product and how it appears promising. We will retest in 2 weeks and will be cutting down from once weekly injections. This one tonight will only be the 3rd one. We are following the manufacturer's protocol to be sure it is effective. We did not wait for them to "crash" before starting the treatments, hoping to get months, not weeks-but it is looking better than that, but I am afraid to hope for too much-I am grateful for every "healthy" appearing day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Whoo Hooo!! CBCs are in-Rosie and Murphy
Our vet just called-the blood tests results from this morning are back and they are both improving! Rosie's platelets are in the normal range too! She said there is a buzz in the office and they have been telling their other patients about this product and how it appears promising. We will retest in 2 weeks and will be cutting down from once weekly injections. This one tonight will only be the 3rd one. We are following the manufacturer's protocol to be sure it is effective. We did not wait for them to "crash" before starting the treatments, hoping to get months, not weeks-but it is looking better than that, but I am afraid to hope for too much-I am grateful for every "healthy" appearing day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon, etc
We all have different ways of dealing with these problems, but we care. Interferon, as I understand, isn't so much a 'drug' - it's a naturally occurring protein substance in the body. Overdosing on it is similar to OD'ing on a nutrient such as Vitamin A (or something like that). In human treatments for cancer, etc, you get injected with a huge OD. For FELV, cats, however, it more of a food supplement. So it's indeed much more ' natural' than antibiotics. I personally think it's a helpful thing for FELVs, but don't use it as much as I used to. I used to use it with all FELVs less than 3 yrs old. Guess I've mellowed, and I just don't have time. Gloria On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Lorrie wrote: Hi Michael of Second Chance Meows... Just a note to let you know I agree with what you wrote. I have seen people put their cats through all sorts of painful, invasive proceedures, and use numerous powerful drugs which make the cats sicker than they are already, when there is no hope for a cure. In my opinion this only prolongs the life of a cat, and I feel it causes the poor animal to suffer longer than it should. It breaks my heart to see what some owners put their cats through. I wouldn't want to be kept alive if I was suffering from something incurable. I also have FelV cats who live in a two large cageless rooms in my cat sanctuary, which is a 2,000 sq foot building I bought as a cat shelter. I do not give them any drugs like interferon, I only give them antibiotics if they come down with a URI or have any other condition which requires veterinary treatment. As long as they respond to the treatment I know they will have a few more good months or years before FelV eventually claims them. Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure. Lorrie On 09-29, Second Chance Meows wrote: my suggestion is to do some research on it. Interferon is used to fight forms of cancer, and is considered to be chemo. side effects include: loss of weight, nausea, hair loss, heart issues, pain, chills,temperature, and many others. I know your talking about low doses of it but anything that is placed into these little bodies that has the power to kill not only the bad cells BUT THE GOOD ONES TOO can not be good for them. their systems are compromised already. JUST MY OPINION. before you make the decision to give this to the cat...look into your own heart and ask is this for the cat..or for yourself? will this really improve the quality of its life or just prolong the agony its going thru or create more agony, stress for it? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Interferon
Lorrie wrote: Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure. This is an unkind and sanctimonious remark, Lorrie. I hope you are kinder to the cats you "care" for. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-thank you Sharyl
Finally a voice of reason and kindness...Can I afford to treat this way? No-I could have paid my 5 yr old car off in the last year's vet bills and I wouldn't be behind in my mortgage. Maybe it's menopause or empty nest syndrome...But I had a few yard sales, bought enough hay for my old horses for the winter. I still need to get some more Rimadyl for my arthritic dogs. I am still selling off stuff I don't need. I live at Walmart, BigLots and the dollar store, but I get top stuff for the cats and dogs to eat.I take peanut butter and jelly every day for lunch. I just so desperately want the last 2 to live...but if they were getting sick from the Interferon, I'd stop in a heartbeat-they come over and wait to take it. Giving antibiotics was a bigger hassle when they had URIs and Bartonella...Treating for ear mites was a pain too, but I did it-I guess I shouldn't have? If the Imulan proves to be a good treatment and enough vets use it-the price will eventually go down. I save money by doing the injections at home. I work full time, but I may have to go back to sewing in my spare time. I try and help with TNRing the ferals with a local group, network and donate food and litter to individual rescuers. Seems like the people willing to do the most-have the least. I just don't understand why people who are so adamantly against all the things this site promotes seem to ger off on bashing the people who are getting information from this site on treating their sick pets. Perhaps they can get the owners of this site to change their "Mission Statement". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?
Alice, I understand that some of the recent posts could be construed as negative in tone for treating our FeLV+ babies. We each have our own approach and resources for dealing with the various stages of FeLV. I have limited financial resources. I do the best I can for my positives with OTC supplements. Others have the resources for some of the newer 'aids'. I read with interest the results they report hoping one day to have the funds to try them on my kitties. I consider FeLV to be a chronic condition and treat it as such just as I do with my CRF, CHF and HCM kitties. I started the year with 8 positives and now have 3 all just over 2 yrs old. Not a good yr but the 5 I lost were loved, cared for and lived a good life. I did syringe feed the sick ones and provided sub q fluids in addition to meds/supplements. We each do what we can. Don't let a few posts about not trying to help the sick ones lead you to believe that no one is trying or should be trying. Each post is just that persons opinion or personal experience. JMHO Sharyl --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Alice Flowers wrote: > From: Alice Flowers > Subject: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for > progressive treatment? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:14 PM > I was directed to this site because > of the "Mission Statement" being one of progressive > treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people > who opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you > don't want to treat, that's fine-it's just really mean to > knock the people who are treating and have hope still. I did > just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I only > tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live. > The last one (at just a year old) did not get that, but he > screamed out while he panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to > all the fluid in his chest-forgive us for having him > euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came > bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably > should have gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you > on a site constantly harping at and about people who are > trying the products that are listed on this site as showing > promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care > about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours? > What I do know is my 2 remaining cats have so much energy > now-they beg to play with the laser pointer, Rosie brings > her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play > fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are > having fun finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years, > then rescued these 6 kittens last year-I didn't have a > clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV cats. Please forgive > me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease. I did > not expect this site to have all the nasty "cattiness" > (ha-ha) of some of the other sites when I read the website's > opening page-have you read it? Here is a portion of it cut > and pasted from the site: > > Our mission in presenting the information on these web > pages is intended to help those whose feline babies are not > responding to traditional veterinary methods of treating > feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many vets > are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments. > We urge folks that encounter such opposition to seek out > another vet that is willing to administer these medications > as recommended below. In July of 1997, the Central States > Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held > discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about > their use in treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the > protocols for these drugs, please review the book, The 5 > minute Veterinary Consultant: Canine and Feline by Tilley > and Smith 1997. > Although we are not veterinarians, much of the information > available here was written by veterinarians. Our sole > purpose in presenting these pages is to educate people on > newer, more effective treatments for feline leukemia. Ours > is a not-for-profit endeavor, even though we may mention > companies by name that sell some of these products. > Veterinarians and researchers are encouraged to send > comments and contributions for this site to me: James G. > Wilson > > NOTICE: All materials at this website (including HTML > pages, text pages, and images) are the property of the owner > of this website. This includes external links to some > Geocities sites, Fortunecity sites, and Prohosting sites. > Under no circumstances are these pages to be copied, > altered, or otherwise misrepresented. All other external > links (including image links) are the property of those > website owners. > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _
[Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?
I was directed to this site because of the "Mission Statement" being one of progressive treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people who opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you don't want to treat, that's fine-it's just really mean to knock the people who are treating and have hope still. I did just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I only tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live. The last one (at just a year old) did not get that, but he screamed out while he panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to all the fluid in his chest-forgive us for having him euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably should have gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you on a site constantly harping at and about people who are trying the products that are listed on this site as showing promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours? What I do know is my 2 remaining cats have so much energy now-they beg to play with the laser pointer, Rosie brings her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are having fun finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years, then rescued these 6 kittens last year-I didn't have a clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV cats. Please forgive me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease. I did not expect this site to have all the nasty "cattiness" (ha-ha) of some of the other sites when I read the website's opening page-have you read it? Here is a portion of it cut and pasted from the site: Our mission in presenting the information on these web pages is intended to help those whose feline babies are not responding to traditional veterinary methods of treating feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many vets are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments. We urge folks that encounter such opposition to seek out another vet that is willing to administer these medications as recommended below. In July of 1997, the Central States Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about their use in treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the protocols for these drugs, please review the book, The 5 minute Veterinary Consultant: Canine and Feline by Tilley and Smith 1997. Although we are not veterinarians, much of the information available here was written by veterinarians. Our sole purpose in presenting these pages is to educate people on newer, more effective treatments for feline leukemia. Ours is a not-for-profit endeavor, even though we may mention companies by name that sell some of these products. Veterinarians and researchers are encouraged to send comments and contributions for this site to me: James G. Wilson NOTICE: All materials at this website (including HTML pages, text pages, and images) are the property of the owner of this website. This includes external links to some Geocities sites, Fortunecity sites, and Prohosting sites. Under no circumstances are these pages to be copied, altered, or otherwise misrepresented. All other external links (including image links) are the property of those website owners. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV testing
i am SO grateful that i never had a cat i was about to adopt test positive--all i know, until about 2002, was that you SHOULD get them tested like the vast majority of folks, i would have followed the vet's recommendation and euthed the kitty. i know of many in the shelter where i worked who were asymptomatic who were just routinely killed: remember, tho, that that's why we're all here: to learn and teach others. i know it would be very hard for me had i had a healthy positive euthed, but hopefully i'd have come to realize i didn't know better. how did we network and learn from one another before the web i'm a chat host on a cat website, and when people come to chat or post on the boards about having had their vet tell them to kill their FIVs or FeLVs--especially when the cats have been members of the family for awhile, and were just tested routinely--and they did so, i don't know what to say. at that day and time--sometimes in pet loss chats--just doesn't seem right to add more pain to their lives, but i get so frustrated... MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora has died
i'm sorry about tora's leaving, but it truly sounds as if it were in the best way, in a manner that he appreciated. as for your question, i think that creatures (regardless of species) have those really good days--in cats, i've often seen kitten-like behaviors--to remind us what they already know: that the time of sickness and pain at the end are not what we're supposed to keep in our hearts, but all the years before when they shared joy with us. i also choose to believe that they're getting ready to go to the bridge, where they'll be young and healthy again, and they're thinking about how much fun that will be. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dogs vs cats
On 10-02, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: > > Here here! I wish we would no longer test at all. If a cat is > sick, they are sick. Treat that. > > It just seems like cats always get the short end of every stick - > while I love dogs - they are much higher up the totem pole than > cats, who are way down at the bottom. I agree, cats are seldom favored as dogs are, and yet they give us just as much love, and they are so much easier to care for. > Why don't we declaw dogs? Or test them for parvo - or whatever? How about "debarking" dogs! There are two in our neighborhood that run loose and bark all night. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon, etc
Hi Michael of Second Chance Meows... Just a note to let you know I agree with what you wrote. I have seen people put their cats through all sorts of painful, invasive proceedures, and use numerous powerful drugs which make the cats sicker than they are already, when there is no hope for a cure. In my opinion this only prolongs the life of a cat, and I feel it causes the poor animal to suffer longer than it should. It breaks my heart to see what some owners put their cats through. I wouldn't want to be kept alive if I was suffering from something incurable. I also have FelV cats who live in a two large cageless rooms in my cat sanctuary, which is a 2,000 sq foot building I bought as a cat shelter. I do not give them any drugs like interferon, I only give them antibiotics if they come down with a URI or have any other condition which requires veterinary treatment. As long as they respond to the treatment I know they will have a few more good months or years before FelV eventually claims them. Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure. Lorrie On 09-29, Second Chance Meows wrote: > my suggestion is to do some research on it. Interferon is used to > fight forms of cancer, and is considered to be chemo. side effects > include: loss of weight, nausea, hair loss, heart issues, pain, > chills,temperature, and many others. I know your talking about low > doses of it but anything that is placed into these little bodies > that has the power to kill not only the bad cells BUT THE GOOD ONES > TOO can not be good for them. their systems are compromised > already. JUST MY OPINION. before you make the decision to give > this to the cat...look into your own heart and ask is this for the > cat..or for yourself? will this really improve the quality of its > life or just prolong the agony its going thru or create more agony, > stress for it? > > Michael Johnson > Founder/Owner > Second Chance Meows > A FeLV Sanctuary > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amanda and Tora's passing
I am so sorry for your loss-Tora knew he was loved so very much. Lymphoma is one of my biggest fears. Tora was so young-I am glad he has his father to go with him over the bridge. This is the worst disease-stealing our young furbabies from us. Hugs Alice - Murphy and Rosie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora has died
I am so sorry for your loss. Anita _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora has died
Amanda, I'm so sorry to hear about Tora. I've have read your postings about him even though at the time I wasn't able to respond to due computer problems. Now I'm able too. Yes, he was blessed to be in a loving home and died without you being present. My experience is cats will do this. My Smokey did this to me a few years ago when he died. I stayed close to him for his last 3 days as I was exhausted from no sleep and worried about him. Then when I drifted off to a nap close to him something tugged at me to wake up and I did. I seen he passed. I didn't want him to be alone and wanted to be with him when he left. Guess he didn't want me to make such a big deal so he did this and caught me off guard. He was 19 years old died to kidney failure and his old body couldn't take it anymore. He was Felv negative. I had him since he was 5-6 weeks old and he traveled with me where ever I went. He was my shadow. I know a few of you remember me posting about him. If you go to my site you can read about my Tazzy. He was Felv positive. He left me at 2 years old. I didn't get to say good bye to him either. He was around and grew up with Smokey & my other cats. Smokey and the other cats never got Felv from Tazzy. They all slept, ate, played, and used the same litter boxes. So often it is true that cats do perk up and eat in their final days for whatever reasons. I've had this happen too and I know I'm going to loose them. Just remember Tora loved you! The day will come when we all will be with our cats that have passed again. Meanwhile they will send other angels to us to help. When we least expect it. You are in my thoughts and prayers! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/501(c)3 Non-Profit national rescue.All donations are tax deductible.http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/Copyright © 2007-2009 Tazzy's.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Tora has diedFrom: "amanda" Date: Thu, October 01, 2009 11:54 pmTo: Hello everyone, With a heavy heart I have come to tell you that our beloved 1 1/2 year old FeLV/ lymphoma cat has died.He died peacefull at home last night... He was put on steriods 3 months ago to help him be able to eat because of the big lymphoma in his chest,, he did well for 2 months.. but last month the lymphoma wouldn't respond to it anymore and we tried elspar injection but it didn't help either.. and luckily didn't effect Tora in a bad way too.. the only thing that helped Tora live the last 3 weeks as comfortabley as he could was himself knowong that he couldn't eat normal amounts of food anymore.. the first few days he was still determined to eat and would vomit it right back again :( so he learned that he couldn't eat like that anymore and accepted to eat in small ammounts and always minced raw chicken and some liver.. he would stil go out and sometimes bat at an insect but mostly he just sat arround and watched our other cats..the last week he had gone off the chicken and only eat egg yolks or chicken intestines...which Japanese often give their pets..The last 3 weeks is was on no meds and had no vet visits and no sub fluids and I can honestly say that his last days were quite comfortable compared to mt other cats who had been pumped up with fluids and drugs :( so I am pleased with that and pleased that he didn't have to get stressed out at the vets...The day before yesterday he seemed a little better (he was only on fermented turmeric the last 3 weeks too)he scratched at the cat board and begged more food and jsut seemed happy.. but I kind of know taht the end was near as he was so skinny...>> i wonder if anyone knows why cats and humans sometimes look and feel better a couple of days before they die??Yesterday Tora didn't want his breakfast, at about 10a.m he licked some egg yolk only... and after that wouldn't accept anything.. so I knew then too that the end was near and didn't force anything on him. last night he tried to climb the stairs which he did everynight but could only make it half way, and laid down in his side on the widest stair... I went to sleep at 11 and tickled his chin.. but this time he didn't want to be touched... so I stroked him and told him that I loved him and went to bed, this morning I found him on the same stair , he had died dueing the night.. he never cried out and he looked very peaceful... I am glad that I resisted and didn't take him to the vets those last weeks.. as I have gobe through this 3 times now.. I know in the last stage nothing can help. my other cats suffered terribley the last days but Tora showed no sign of big pain.. only last day he seemed more tired.We will miss him so much though and it is really sad that he ahd to get FeLV :(Also last week his father died, the neighbours black cat yes I was so surprised he suddenly got some form of skin disease and had fleas and mites too and his face was swollen from the itch
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
Here here! I wish we would no longer test at all. If a cat is sick, they are sick. Treat that. It just seems like cats always get the short end of every stick - while I love dogs - they are much higher up the totem pole than cats, who are way down at the bottom. Why don't we declaw dogs? Or test them for parvo - or whatever? _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV testing
Lorrie, I had that very same experience a few years agoand I still feel guilt to this very dayat least I know I am not alone. Never again! Debbie (COL) "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" Philo > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:03:39 -0400 > From: felineres...@kvinet.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV testing > > I'm with you on that one Ignorance is bliss. I still feel > guilty over a cat I PTS years ago, just because I tested him and he > was FelV pos. This was what was recommended then, but I'd have never > known he was positive otherwise. I had 4 other cats at the time and > he'd been with them for years, and none of them were pos. They also > hadn't gotten FelV vaccinations, so I really don't think it's as > contagious as they say. Now I'd NEVER put a positive cat down unless > it was extremely ill or dying. > > Lorrie > > > On 10-01, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > sometimes i wonder, too, about why we bother testing: as chris says, > > ignorance is bliss > > > > MC > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV testing
I'm with you on that one Ignorance is bliss. I still feel guilty over a cat I PTS years ago, just because I tested him and he was FelV pos. This was what was recommended then, but I'd have never known he was positive otherwise. I had 4 other cats at the time and he'd been with them for years, and none of them were pos. They also hadn't gotten FelV vaccinations, so I really don't think it's as contagious as they say. Now I'd NEVER put a positive cat down unless it was extremely ill or dying. Lorrie On 10-01, MaryChristine wrote: > > sometimes i wonder, too, about why we bother testing: as chris says, > ignorance is bliss > > MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora has died
Amanda, I was saddened to read that Tora has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. You loved him, cared for him and in the end let him go. He had a peaceful passing and that is the most we can hope for. Sharyl --- On Fri, 10/2/09, amanda wrote: > From: amanda > Subject: [Felvtalk] Tora has died > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:54 AM > Hello everyone, With a heavy heart I > have come to tell you that our beloved 1 1/2 year old FeLV/ > lymphoma cat has died. > He died peacefull at home last night... He was put on > steriods 3 months ago to help him be able to eat because of > the big lymphoma in his chest,, he did well for 2 months.. > but last month the lymphoma wouldn't respond to it anymore > and we tried elspar injection but it didn't help either.. > and luckily didn't effect Tora in a bad way too.. the only > thing that helped Tora live the last 3 weeks as comfortabley > as he could was himself knowong that he couldn't eat normal > amounts of food anymore.. the first few days he was still > determined to eat and would vomit it right back again > :( so he learned that he couldn't eat like that > anymore and accepted to eat in small ammounts and always > minced raw chicken and some liver.. he would stil go out and > sometimes bat at an insect but mostly he just sat arround > and watched our other cats..the last week he had gone off > the chicken and only eat egg yolks or chicken > intestines...which Japanese often give their pets.. > The last 3 weeks is was on no meds and had no vet visits > and no sub fluids and I can honestly say that his last days > were quite comfortable compared to mt other cats who had > been pumped up with fluids and drugs :( so I am pleased with > that and pleased that he didn't have to get stressed out at > the vets... > The day before yesterday he seemed a little better (he was > only on fermented turmeric the last 3 weeks too) > he scratched at the cat board and begged more food and jsut > seemed happy.. but I kind of know taht the end was near as > he was so skinny...>> i wonder if anyone knows why > cats and humans sometimes look and feel better a couple of > days before they die?? > Yesterday Tora didn't want his breakfast, at about 10a.m he > licked some egg yolk only... and after that wouldn't accept > anything.. so I knew then too that the end was near and > didn't force anything on him. last night he tried to > climb the stairs which he did everynight but could only make > it half way, and laid down in his side on the widest > stair... I went to sleep at 11 and tickled his chin.. but > this time he didn't want to be touched... so I stroked him > and told him that I loved him and went to bed, this morning > I found him on the same stair , he had died dueing the > night.. he never cried out and he looked very > peaceful... I am glad that I resisted and didn't take > him to the vets those last weeks.. as I have gobe through > this 3 times now.. I know in the last stage nothing can > help. my other cats suffered terribley the last days but > Tora showed no sign of big pain.. only last day he seemed > more tired. > We will miss him so much though and it is really sad > that he ahd to get FeLV :( > Also last week his father died, the neighbours black > cat yes I was so surprised he suddenly got some form of > skin disease and had fleas and mites too and his face was > swollen from the itching, he had lost almost all his fur > arround his face and chest.. the owners only took him to the > vets at the last minute and they said he couldn't be cured.. > I am wondering if he had some food allergy and or virus or > something.. I do wonder taht if they had cared more he could > have lived longer... but I didn't get angry with them,, I > just said they did their best and their cat was happy lol > the happy terror of the neighbourhood!! he > was sweet his last days and would often come here and sit on > the chair outside...although he was a terror, it wasn't his > fault and I think in the ned we forgave each other :) > I am glad that Tora wont be alone in Heaven > Thankyou all as always for all your advice and help over > the past year.. I love you all > hugs and purrs > Amanda and cats. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora has died
Amanda, I am so sorry that Tora has left you. It sounds like you gave him lots of peace and love during his final days. Gentle Bridge vibes to him and to his father. I'm sure they're grateful for each other's company now. Hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of amanda Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Tora has died Hello everyone, With a heavy heart I have come to tell you that our beloved 1 1/2 year old FeLV/ lymphoma cat has died. He died peacefull at home last night... He was put on steriods 3 months ago to help him be able to eat because of the big lymphoma in his chest,, he did well for 2 months.. but last month the lymphoma wouldn't respond to it anymore and we tried elspar injection but it didn't help either.. and luckily didn't effect Tora in a bad way too.. the only thing that helped Tora live the last 3 weeks as comfortabley as he could was himself knowong that he couldn't eat normal amounts of food anymore.. the first few days he was still determined to eat and would vomit it right back again :( so he learned that he couldn't eat like that anymore and accepted to eat in small ammounts and always minced raw chicken and some liver.. he would stil go out and sometimes bat at an insect but mostly he just sat arround and watched our other cats..the last week he had gone off the chicken and only eat egg yolks or chicken intestines...which Japanese often give their pets.. The last 3 weeks is was on no meds and had no vet visits and no sub fluids and I can honestly say that his last days were quite comfortable compared to mt other cats who had been pumped up with fluids and drugs :( so I am pleased with that and pleased that he didn't have to get stressed out at the vets... The day before yesterday he seemed a little better (he was only on fermented turmeric the last 3 weeks too) he scratched at the cat board and begged more food and jsut seemed happy.. but I kind of know taht the end was near as he was so skinny...>> i wonder if anyone knows why cats and humans sometimes look and feel better a couple of days before they die?? Yesterday Tora didn't want his breakfast, at about 10a.m he licked some egg yolk only... and after that wouldn't accept anything.. so I knew then too that the end was near and didn't force anything on him. last night he tried to climb the stairs which he did everynight but could only make it half way, and laid down in his side on the widest stair... I went to sleep at 11 and tickled his chin.. but this time he didn't want to be touched... so I stroked him and told him that I loved him and went to bed, this morning I found him on the same stair , he had died dueing the night.. he never cried out and he looked very peaceful... I am glad that I resisted and didn't take him to the vets those last weeks.. as I have gobe through this 3 times now.. I know in the last stage nothing can help. my other cats suffered terribley the last days but Tora showed no sign of big pain.. only last day he seemed more tired. We will miss him so much though and it is really sad that he ahd to get FeLV :( Also last week his father died, the neighbours black cat yes I was so surprised he suddenly got some form of skin disease and had fleas and mites too and his face was swollen from the itching, he had lost almost all his fur arround his face and chest.. the owners only took him to the vets at the last minute and they said he couldn't be cured.. I am wondering if he had some food allergy and or virus or something.. I do wonder taht if they had cared more he could have lived longer... but I didn't get angry with them,, I just said they did their best and their cat was happy lol the happy terror of the neighbourhood!! he was sweet his last days and would often come here and sit on the chair outside...although he was a terror, it wasn't his fault and I think in the ned we forgave each other :) I am glad that Tora wont be alone in Heaven Thankyou all as always for all your advice and help over the past year.. I love you all hugs and purrs Amanda and cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Check up and 2nd CBC since beginning Imulan treatment
We have our 2nd check up and blood draw to see how they are doing on the Imulan. Rosie had a low platelet count 2 weeks ago-her baseline CBC right before she got her first shot. We'll have to find out what it means. I still have them on the Interferon twice a day. They have much more energy these days and are galloping after the laser pointer and I can hear them at night running around the living room-chasing each other up the cat trees. They are eating really well-acting as close to normal as I've ever seen. I just hope it's not the calm before the storm. I'm slowly switching their dry food from the Taste of the Wild, which I learned has preservatives that are a know carcinogenthe last thing I need when cancers are too common in FeLV cats. I joined the Petsumer site that reports on pet foods-so many have "animal fats" which can be fats from rendering plants-including euthanized animalsanother health issue. I think they are doing pretty good, but I can help but think of Algernon. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Tora has died
Hello everyone, With a heavy heart I have come to tell you that our beloved 1 1/2 year old FeLV/ lymphoma cat has died. He died peacefull at home last night... He was put on steriods 3 months ago to help him be able to eat because of the big lymphoma in his chest,, he did well for 2 months.. but last month the lymphoma wouldn't respond to it anymore and we tried elspar injection but it didn't help either.. and luckily didn't effect Tora in a bad way too.. the only thing that helped Tora live the last 3 weeks as comfortabley as he could was himself knowong that he couldn't eat normal amounts of food anymore.. the first few days he was still determined to eat and would vomit it right back again :( so he learned that he couldn't eat like that anymore and accepted to eat in small ammounts and always minced raw chicken and some liver.. he would stil go out and sometimes bat at an insect but mostly he just sat arround and watched our other cats..the last week he had gone off the chicken and only eat egg yolks or chicken intestines...which Japanese often give their pets.. The last 3 weeks is was on no meds and had no vet visits and no sub fluids and I can honestly say that his last days were quite comfortable compared to mt other cats who had been pumped up with fluids and drugs :( so I am pleased with that and pleased that he didn't have to get stressed out at the vets... The day before yesterday he seemed a little better (he was only on fermented turmeric the last 3 weeks too) he scratched at the cat board and begged more food and jsut seemed happy.. but I kind of know taht the end was near as he was so skinny...>> i wonder if anyone knows why cats and humans sometimes look and feel better a couple of days before they die?? Yesterday Tora didn't want his breakfast, at about 10a.m he licked some egg yolk only... and after that wouldn't accept anything.. so I knew then too that the end was near and didn't force anything on him. last night he tried to climb the stairs which he did everynight but could only make it half way, and laid down in his side on the widest stair... I went to sleep at 11 and tickled his chin.. but this time he didn't want to be touched... so I stroked him and told him that I loved him and went to bed, this morning I found him on the same stair , he had died dueing the night.. he never cried out and he looked very peaceful... I am glad that I resisted and didn't take him to the vets those last weeks.. as I have gobe through this 3 times now.. I know in the last stage nothing can help. my other cats suffered terribley the last days but Tora showed no sign of big pain.. only last day he seemed more tired. We will miss him so much though and it is really sad that he ahd to get FeLV :( Also last week his father died, the neighbours black cat yes I was so surprised he suddenly got some form of skin disease and had fleas and mites too and his face was swollen from the itching, he had lost almost all his fur arround his face and chest.. the owners only took him to the vets at the last minute and they said he couldn't be cured.. I am wondering if he had some food allergy and or virus or something.. I do wonder taht if they had cared more he could have lived longer... but I didn't get angry with them,, I just said they did their best and their cat was happy lol the happy terror of the neighbourhood!! he was sweet his last days and would often come here and sit on the chair outside...although he was a terror, it wasn't his fault and I think in the ned we forgave each other :) I am glad that Tora wont be alone in Heaven Thankyou all as always for all your advice and help over the past year.. I love you all hugs and purrs Amanda and cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
