Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and that is other people should take charge. Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed. I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get that status? I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake. Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 3/1/12, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 5:22 AM When I first heard about Grant's place, I thought that it would bea good place to send my babies when I passed. Thank God I changed my mind. I have since fond a good place for my children. If I see just a tad abnormal dischage from their eys, i is off to the vet. How could he let them get so sick? I know that with that many cats, he prpbably ran out of time and money to care for the, but he should have admtted he needed help for the sake of the cats. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: When will people learn not to dump their animals at these sanctuaries?? http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the morning. Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida State Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.). Celene Albano HPR Rescue CEO 501c3 Non-Profit. Tax ID # 42-169-3737 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
It's very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions allows things to go so wrong, doesn't ask for help. But, to be fair, maybe help that was asked for but never materialized..I know how people can be. This also gives other groups a bad name. I have MANY cats, but if donations don't come in, we happen to be lucky to be able to subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat to get that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house the cats in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how many there are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) - and that requires a tremendous amount of work. I don't want anyone to leave here and spread rumors about a dirty, smelly house.. I have also known about very hasty conclusions drawn by people who have no idea what it's like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of sick ones with very special needs. In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she was even out of bed. They broke the glass on the door to open it from the inside, barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up things like this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food for the cats, sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as if that's an illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had meds for the cats and treating them), and the list went on like that. She wasn't even allowed to tell them which meds were for which cats, and which cats were the sick ones - they were going to have their vets determine that! During this round-up, the poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals, which they were NOT). She was not even allowed to visit them (including her personal cats) that were put up at various places around the area, and by the time of the court date, she owed the state over $130,000 in boarding and vet fees. She wasn't able to pay that. Many cats died during that time, were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never knew freedom..they were held as evidence. This all happened because a disgruntled volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and that is other people should take charge. Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed. I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get that status? I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake. Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty It’s very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions allows things to go so wrong, doesn’t ask for help. But, to be fair, maybe help that was asked for but never materialized….I know how people can be. This also gives other groups a bad name. I have MANY cats, but if donations don’t come in, we happen to be lucky to be able to subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat to get that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house the cats in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how many there are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) – and that requires a tremendous amount of work. I don’t want anyone to leave here and spread rumors about a dirty, smelly house…. I have also known about very “hasty” conclusions drawn by people who have no idea what it’s like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of sick ones with very special needs. In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she was even out of bed. They broke the glass on the door to open it from the inside, barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up things like this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food for the cats, sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as if that’s an illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had meds for the cats and treating them), and the list went on like that. She wasn’t even allowed to tell them which meds were for which cats, and which cats were the sick ones - they were going to have their vets determine that! During this round-up, the poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals, which they were NOT)… She was not even allowed to visit them (including her personal cats) that were put up at various places around the area, and by the time of the court date, she owed the state over $130,000 in boarding and vet fees. She wasn’t able to pay that. Many cats died during that time, were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never knew freedom….they were held as evidence. This all happened because a disgruntled volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and that is other people should take charge. Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed. I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get that status? I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake. Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescue in Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter had vet references. They had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over got out of hand. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
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Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
One of the related, inner struggles I have with such cases are, the cruelty charges made to those with good intentions (which I do believe existed here) will likely stick, yet every day sick individuals who purposely torture and maim cats and dogs get off very easily even with much evidence. I read one case recently of a man in California who was caught torturing then consuming stray cats, supposedly he was even witnessed skinning one alive (and other horrible acts), and he got a bit of community service, probation and a fine under $500. This happens all the time. Perhaps the discrepancy is solely in evidence, witnesses and the legal process, but it seems to me that hoarders are penalized more stringently than flat out torturers who commit such acts willingly, not because they got in over their heads. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of-600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ attachment: ~WRD148.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
The problem is, if a hoarder does not get mental treatment, they will do it again. If there is public record of their crimes it makes it easier for good rescues to identify them. I do agree cruelty charges should be great for those torturing animals. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort One of the related, inner struggles I have with such cases are, the cruelty charges made to those with good intentions (which I do believe existed here) will likely stick, yet every day sick individuals who purposely torture and maim cats and dogs get off very easily even with much evidence. I read one case recently of a man in California who was caught torturing then consuming stray cats, supposedly he was even witnessed skinning one alive (and other horrible acts), and he got a bit of community service, probation and a fine under $500. This happens all the time. Perhaps the discrepancy is solely in evidence, witnesses and the legal process, but it seems to me that hoarders are penalized more stringently than flat out torturers who commit such acts willingly, not because they got in over their heads. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of-600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
We have so many horror stories on our DNA (Do Not Adopt) list, it's sickening! These people get away with torture, murder, and nothing happens to them. Sometimes cases like this are hyped by the media, to seem worse than they really are. But where are the people who could help when it is needed? Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort One of the related, inner struggles I have with such cases are, the cruelty charges made to those with good intentions (which I do believe existed here) will likely stick, yet every day sick individuals who purposely torture and maim cats and dogs get off very easily even with much evidence. I read one case recently of a man in California who was caught torturing then consuming stray cats, supposedly he was even witnessed skinning one alive (and other horrible acts), and he got a bit of community service, probation and a fine under $500. This happens all the time. Perhaps the discrepancy is solely in evidence, witnesses and the legal process, but it seems to me that hoarders are penalized more stringently than flat out torturers who commit such acts willingly, not because they got in over their heads. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
Oh yes Heather! Couldn't agree more..a few tortured pets don't attract as much media as a suposedly haven gone bad..not a thought abt the person and why. So a stereotype is created and thast what the media exploits w/o giving a chance to the erso to speak for themselves. Besides a story of this type attracts more attention than somebody skinning animals alive, just for the eek factor._One of those miscarriages of justice as for punishment and way it is exposed. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 3/1/12, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 4:59 PM One of the related, inner struggles I have with such cases are, the cruelty charges made to those with good intentions (which I do believe existed here) will likely stick, yet every day sick individuals who purposely torture and maim cats and dogs get off very easily even with much evidence. I read one case recently of a man in California who was caught torturing then consuming stray cats, supposedly he was even witnessed skinning one alive (and other horrible acts), and he got a bit of community service, probation and a fine under $500. This happens all the time. Perhaps the discrepancy is solely in evidence, witnesses and the legal process, but it seems to me that hoarders are penalized more stringently than flat out torturers who commit such acts willingly, not because they got in over their heads. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of-600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
I rescued 26 cats from a hoarder in an apt here. Most were fixed. Some even had had extensive medical procedures in the past with lengthy vet records. The problem with hoarding is that people start with good intentions, but don't know when to stop. I know she loved the cats, she couldn't stop taking more. The cats started needing medicals attention she couldn't afford. Some of the cats were recently acquired. One had an eye bulging out of it's socket. Some had URI's. You could smell urine from the street. It is a mental problem that needs to be treated. Arresting them fining isn't going to solve the problem. It is sad for the humans animals. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty When will people learn that just because something is in the paper does not make it so? If people are spaying and neutering, they probably are not hoarders. I did not realize this list had gotten so judgemental. Ugh. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter had vet references. They had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over got out of hand. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
Mine also. hen they hear a strange voice, they are gone.Of course, I als worry tat the trusted person will leave a door open too long and oe or more will make their escape. Once they are out, they wll never return to a stranger. Best thing is to have a friend, someone the cats know come and care for them, less chance of any disasters. And of course, they should have phone numbers where you can be reached when or if the worst happens. Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Thing is that my cats will make themselves invisible when someone comes...even if they've seen them before. We all have to leave them to work, run errands, go out w friends, etc. And we all go away on trips. Short of boarding them in a 24 hour hospital (way too stressful for cats), I don't know what anyone can do but get someone to care for them and hope they can at least eyeball each cat during our absences. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I can't compromise the very life of one of my punkins to make someone else happy. To thine own self be true! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree, when they are sick, it is off to the vet ASAP. Then if I had plans, I cancel. People who know how you feel about your furbabies will understand. My babies come first and everyone who knowsme knows that. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: When my FeLV cats are sick I don't even go to the movies without having a pet sittet check on them. Beth GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: BTW - it's never a good idea to leave a pet being taken care of by someone who knows nothing about animals.in the future, try to get a pet owner who can recognize a real problem! There are professional pet services that can be pricey, but if you call a rescue group, they can often recommend a responsible and reliable rescuer in your area who also moonlights by caring for pets when owners are away! Having a pet is like having a child; always leave pertinent info, contacts in emergencies like vet offices, relatives or friends who can help while you are away. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of john pollack Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode? get the kitten to the vetQUICK!!! after 2 days of not eating, cats can start getting liver damage _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode? Please rush him to the vet immediately. On 02-27, Rashel Mereness wrote: Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly. He won't eat, except he ate some of his favorite treats. We had someone (who he doesn't know) staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing. Sound like anything you have experienced? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder. I wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and physically. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter had vet references. They had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over got out of hand. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
