I guess there's still a problem on my end. I've only gotten 7 messages
today. Thanks for the archive link.
Nina
James G. Wilson wrote:
Hey Brenda (and all),
There have been at least 11 messages today (Feb 13th) to the list.
Here is a link to the new archive for our list:
On 13 Feb 05, at 14:06, Nina wrote:
I guess there's still a problem on my end. I've only gotten 7
messages today. Thanks for the archive link. Nina
I'm thinking that the problem here might be that some ISPs (Verizon
in your case) have spam filters built into their systems. Sometimes,
mail
My 2 year old dog Sol was diagnosed with renal dysfunction on Friday after
several tests and an ultrasound. There appears to some some sort of damage to
his kidneys which could have been caused by a birth defect, infection, or toxin
as a puppy.
Just curious whether anyone here has
Oh, Faye, I know you must be so worried. I am sending lots of positive thoughts that he will return home any minute now, safe and sound. Could he be hiding in the bushes outside or something? My Sebastian did that for 2 days when he escaped shortly after we adopted him (or at least that is where
Kristi,
Is this the same rabbit with the dental work and Penicillin injections?
Oh my, I'm so sorry. Sometimes it seems like it just never ends.
What's your bunny's name? How's he (?) doing?
Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My rabbit was just diagnosed with renal failure.
kristi
Melissa,
I'm sorry about Sol. Poor baby, at two years old, most dogs are still
puppies in grown-up bodies. What is it about the people on this list?
Are we attracting illness to ourselves? I guess it's because we care
enough to adopt the ones with rough starts, the ones that would
otherwise
Dear Faye:
I do hope Simba will reappear soon. If not, you might want to consider
consulting with an animal communicator. They can usually tell you if your
kitty is
still in his/her body and while a cat cannot give you an address or exact
location where to find them, they can usually let
His name is Martin, and yes its the same bunny, I brought him in on thursday
because he had started drooling again, which for him is a sign of more teeth
probs. He has an oral abcess, but my boss/vet said she could feel a small hard
kidney. It just so happened the ultrasound doctor was their
Faye, I am so sorry, I hope you find him, my thoughts are with all of your
household.
Kristi
From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/02/13 Sun PM 08:48:01 EST
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT-Simba is missing
Prayers coming your way.
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie
Faye,
Ann pointed out to me that I had stated in a previous post that Patricia
doesn't charge for help with lost animals. She must have a new policy,
because I've been made aware that she does. I just wanted to make sure
you knew that before you contacted her. I hope Simba shows up soon.
Hi All.
Just wanted to make sure you all knew that the entire transport of
Lovey from GA to WI to my home has been completed. Yippee! Still
awaiting word to see if Merry is also going to be ours and join the
transport.
Thank you all so much. We all keep saying that this group of
Faye,
You probably have heard this, but I'm told that when cats cannot be
found they are sometimes hiding not far away. Are you putting food
out - funky smelling food like Fancy Feast - but I guess you don't
want to attract those dogs either.
Bonnie
Faye,
I am sending good vibes your way, I hope and pray Simba comes home to you soon. They are pretty resourceful I am sure he is fine, maybe he got shut in a garage somewhere and is just waiting until it opens again. You are in my thoughts.
CherieKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm
I too only recived 7 messages, it seemed that Faye's intial message about Simba did not make it to me, but then later Faye's messages came through. Maybe there is no rhyme or reason to not getting all the emails. Makes me wonder how many did I miss in the past? Just as a check for a few days I am
Congratulations on your new babies Brenda and Cherie! Lovey is going
to need some serious quiet time when he gets to you, that's quite an
itinerary even for a human!
Nina
Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
Again, should you need assistance I am going from Chicago Area,
Illinois to Milwaukee area,
When I had cats that were indoor/outdoor I trained them to come to a Dog
Whistle. It is a very easy thing to do. Adjust the whistle to where you
can hear it. Then for 1 week blow the whistle each time you call them by
name, or call them to come in Like here Kitty Kitty. At the end of the
week only
Thank you, Michelle. Lucky was not positive. I know just how you are feeling about Simon; I feel like an automaton. I will catch a glimpse of DeDe or Nikki's calico butt go around a corner and think, "I need to see how Lucky is doing today.".
Take care; a friend told me this weekend that it
Julie
I am so sorry about Lucky must have missed your post on him.
My heart goes out to you
Carla
That's hilarious I'm laughing so hard right now! Thanks:)Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I CAN relate; when I took Trixie in to be spayed (she was SO tiny!) the receptionist asked for a number where they could reach me if they had to and I just blurted out, "don't waste time
Barb,
I went to the archives and found this message, I hope it is not ringworm. Hopefully I will know soon.
Cherie
Re: OT: Skin problem
Barb MoermondMon, 14 Feb 2005 07:55:55 -0800
I hate to be the one to mention this, but has the spot been tested for ringworm?
Note: forwarded message
Title: Message
Cherie, I am the last person to give computer-type suggestions---but I
wonder if the missing emails had strings attached (ie previous emails), and
strings were of a type(eg graphics-heavy) that prevented them getting to
you (because your ISP read them as spam)? Kerry
Hi All,
Here is the service for Monday the 14th, of February. Prayers to all
with sick furkids that they all recover and are well again. Julie, I
was so sad to hear about Lucky's passing, my thoughts and prayers are
with you at this sad time. Her spirit is with you always in your
heart, take
Thank you, Nina and everyone else who
responded to my cry of help regarding Ginger not eating for a week and for all
your healing vibes you sent to my little Ginger. I am so grateful and cannot find right
words to express my gratitude.
When I got home on Friday, I went to visit
Ginger
Jill, do you know what Gary's HCT is? I am so amazed at how well she seems
to be doing!! I really, really wonder what is happening with her, and hope that
it continues.
Michelle
I am just wondering if anyone on the list has used Immuno-regulin, and why
we never talk about it as a potential remedy for anemia that is not diagnosable?
The article on the felineleukemia.org website says it is helpful for that and
for general FeLV-related crashing, and I talked to the vet
Goodnight, sweet Lucky...
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My
FeLV Site:
Julie,
I'm so sorry you lost your dear Lucky. My sympathy is with you. I know Lucky was lucky when you found her and she died a loved and wanted kitty.
Love,
Anne, Jimi Too Cool, Simms and Sophie among other furry friends in MI
Thanks I will check that out
Cherie"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I saw that you can get Immunoregulan without a prescription from RevivalAnimal Health.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:03 PMTo:
I had a chance to read the article and put a call into my vet to ask her about it.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am just wondering if anyone on the list has used Immuno-regulin, and why we never talk about it as a potential remedy for anemia that is not diagnosable? The article on the
Hi and welcome. I'm so very sorry to hear about Scully; my heart goes out to you.
Had Scully been tested before and been negative? I had a cat, Encore, who had repeatedly tested negative, became rather suddenly ill (thin and anemic), and tested positive for FeLV at about 4 years of age. The only
If she will give you the shots, you can give them subcutaneously at home
without having to stress her by bringing her in. I did that. A lot
of vets do not like to send home drawn injections, though.
Michelle
Gary is actually looking almost completely back to
normal. Her nose is not getting much paler. We have
tapered down her appetite stimulants to almost nothing
because they make her so tired. She is still eating a
lot (babyfood only with lots of vitamins) and looks
more alert now. She is
Thank you Nina. I tried the whistle it did not work. I live in a rural area
with neighbors fairly far apart. I did put food out but it has not been
touched. I did call the AC you recommended and set up an appointment for
tonight after work.
The good thing is that the dogs have not been back
We don't have a shelter. We are really rural. No one gets all hot and
bothered about a loose animal unless they are attacking livestock. Which
these stupid dogs are. Simba is feral and won't approach any human but my
mother and myself. the few neighbors I have are good people and wouldn't
Hi All.
Just wanted to let everybody know that my daughter and I will be
leaving tomorrow late morning for Minneapolis. I have to have an
angiogram Thursday morning related to being a heart transplant
patient. I know I don't write much, but with all this going on with
the transport of
Brenda,
I wish you the best of luck and hope everything goes as planned for you. Have a safe drive there as well.
Look forward to hearingabout Lovey's stories from you.
We will hear from you when you get back! :)
Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted
Julie,
Your husband is in my thoughts and prayers. I'm sending a bunch of good vibes your way from all my kitties with headbutts and all.
Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted
Since I live in a rural area our local Mom Pop
Natural Store is limited to what items they carry can order, I am always
looking for alternative resources since I have to special order many of the
products I use for the furkids, including some holisticfood.
In my most recent "quest", I
Dittoes Julie! I hope things work out without surgery too. Your new docs sound much better.
tKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Julie
Your husband's surgeon sounds fabulous--as you say, just the sort of doc we want for our kitties!
I'm so glad things are progressingin ahopeful
Dear Hideyo,
I agree with Barb; I think your precautions are fine and they are certainly more than I do when I handle an FeLV+ cat. I simply wash my hands with soap and water.
Think about it; does the vet go through anything more rigorous after examining an FeLV+ cat? I do not currently have
Me, too! It's so funny because it's exactly what people say!!!"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Love it! Certainly makes the point! Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda K.SmithSent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 PMTo:
Congratuations!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well we have a bouncing baby girl 1.5lbs 10 weeks old, born December 9th.My son names her Sugar, she is not the kitty I posted about with the skin problem, we are waiting a weeks before we pick her up, but she is a doll.I am
Carla
Thank you very proud ;-))[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cherie,Very cute picture, Sugar looks so sweet!Congradulations!Carla
adorable!!! and I can't wait to see the other new kitty!!! Congratulations!!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well we have a bouncing baby girl 1.5lbs 10 weeks old, born December 9th.My son names her Sugar, she is not the kitty I posted about with the skin problem, we are
Compared to the rest of my furrfamily she is a itsy bitsy thing, she is no bigger than my sons foot...Thank you, they do make a cute team ;-))catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aw! She's gorgeous! Your son's a cutie too!
tCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well we have a
I can not wait either, then at least I can have two about the same size so they can playall my others are a little bent out of shape right now...it will take a few days and then another one will come in...I am thinking by the time it is over I am going to be the most hated by the residents
How sweet :))
--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...
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Thank you ;-))Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How sweet :))-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com
How adorable!!!
Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted
Cherie,
How adorable Sugar is! It's wonderful to see a picture of your sweet
son. Not only is he loving and sensitive, he's handsome as well. How
proud you must be.
Nina
Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
Well we have a bouncing baby girl 1.5lbs 10 weeks old, born December
9th.My son names her
Nina,
He is a joy, and thank you for the compliment, I am sure all parents hope they raise their kids rightI personally think the kitties have something to do with his sensitivity.he is a doll ;-))
Thanks again
CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cherie,How adorable Sugar is! It's
A! How cute!
- Original Message -
From: Cherie
A Gabbert
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:52
AM
Subject: OT: New addition
Well we have a bouncing baby girl 1.5lbs 10 weeks old, born December
9th.My son names
The vet for my sister's maine coon mix feels her cat is in kidney failure.
he suggested hydrating the cat for 48 hours at office to see if can
jumpstart him. ($600) and then maybe maybe she can learn to do it at home.
(by herself I doubt it and the other problem is she travels frequently for
her
This is in Georgia.Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:00:52 -0800 (PST)From: Caroline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: URGENT - Need ASAP placement for Diabetic CatTo: Atlanta Rescue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,SpotGroup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Saki - 4.5 yr old 20 DSH
Thank you ;-))Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A! How cute!
- Original Message -
From: Cherie A Gabbert
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: OT: New addition
Well we have a bouncing baby girl 1.5lbs 10 weeks old, born
How about this one...
http://www.wholisticanimal.com/kidneyfailure.asp
CherieBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The vet for my sister's maine coon mix feels her cat is in kidney failure.he suggested hydrating the cat for 48 hours at office to see if canjumpstart him. ($600) and then maybe maybe
Thank you all. I am forwarding all the links to
her. just found out Hamish is 12!
barbara
- Original Message -
From:
Cherie A
Gabbert
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:28
PM
Subject: Re: ot: need websites for cats
w/
can anyone please tell me how to get out of this group. It is a great
group, I just can't deal with all the Emails, and I can't figure out how to get
out.
can anyone please tell me how to get out of this group. It is a great
group, I just can't deal with all the Emails, and I can't figure out how to get
out.
can anyone please tell me how to get out of this group. It is a great
group, I just can't deal with all the Emails, and I can't figure out how to get
out.
can anyone please tell me how to get out of this group. It is a great
group, I just can't deal with all the Emails, and I can't figure out how to get
out.
i usually find that my boy cats are the best protectors of the little
ones!
MC
Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
I know, it is just tough the first few days, especially because
this is the smallest I have ever hadI am worried about someone
sitting on her head lol.
TenHouseCats [EMAIL
LOL! So true. I use a house call vet for my feral dogs.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
another thing is to look for house-call vets--there are FOUR of them in my town, and it makes a tremendous difference in the stress level involved in vet visits. my cats generally stay calm, it's just the
why is DD overgrooming? is she stressed? showing
signs of allergy? hives? hot spots? house too dry?(a common problem in
wintertime when heat is on) what supplements is she on? (anything for skin
or immune system?) clancy my positive develops small bumps all over and loses
his fur--and the
Sorry, I don't know what is going on with aol, mail
is coming there just not all of it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Del
- Original Message -
From:
catatonya
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:34
PM
Subject: for Del
Hi Del,
Thanks for asking, Michelle. Gypsy's been getting Penicillin
injections for 8 days now. She's also been on a product called
Nutrigest, (which includes the L-Glutamine you suggested), Thuja, and
Vita B12 shots. She's also been on a diet of chicken breast or cod
boiled with a seaweed called
You know Jill, I couldn't help but notice that Doxycycline was one of
the things you put Gary on. I don't like the stuff because of the
potential side effects, but it was the only thing I put Grace on the
first time she crashed with anemia symptoms and she bounced back, (even
though her blood
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Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED]A GREAT group, lots of info. I found thid to be among the
best support groups when I had several furkids w/ CRF
www.pouncerstone.com good
information on CRF
www.holisticat.com/main.html
information for altrnative/holistic treatments
Patti
I was basically going to say the same as Barbara - r/o
stress(could it be Lovey's in the house?), allergies - so common
We had a cat @ the shelter who chewed herself bald. developed
red, scabby spots. Turned out she had developed food allergies, especially beef.
Only thing we could feed her
Hi, Before I would gve her anything I would contact a good SPCA near
where you live. or a Vet College near where you live.
Does seem odd, unless they're thinking there's some kind of skin
thing. I'd probably try an herbal calming product.
Gloria
Hi all,
I'm starting to wonder if my vets are very up to date on felv
My positive, DD, is overgrooming. I haven't taken her in yet, but
when I was in with Lovey
Hi Tonya,
My positive Bailey is on pred, a very low dose to increase his
cortisol level, it should be between 1 and 2.5 and it is .47, he and
Joey (negative) had a special blood test that shows both of their
Endocrine-Immune systems, basically their hormones are out of balance.
He
Tonya
I think it depends on the cat. Peggy had a cat with cancer and was
anemic. They gave her less than 2 months to live. They put her on
Pred to make her cat more confortable.
She live over 18 months longer. She was getting B-12 shots for the
anemia and pred for the cancer.
So it helped
Steroids can save their life, though, if they are having an auto-immune
response. And it can greatly improve and lengthen quality of life when they
have
lymphoma.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/16/05 11:05:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I really hate the idea of steroids, even if they make
Dear Hideyo,
Michelle is so right; there is no way you could have known this would happen. Any surgery carries a risk to a susceptible animal; the trouble is, you can't always identify a susceptible animal.
I had a (seemingly) healthy adult female spayed and she had to be recussitated; her
I think I might have suggested Surphur
it did some miracle to many of my kitties including the one with serious
chronic IBD (diarrhea) type of problem Arsenicum is good for vomiting -
but according to my vet, you really dont want to mix with other remedy,
and wait 12 to 24 hours before
i've used pediatric liquid benadryl with excellent results. i know that,
someplace, i read that the overgrooming can start as a response to an
acute condition, but then becomes almost more of a habit--that nothing
seems to stop it once it gets started. that's been the case in a couple
of my
LOL
- Original Message -
From: Nina
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:01
AM
Subject: Here's something to make you
chuckle
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Nina
I have a client, (I'm a dog trainer), that uses benadryl for her Lab's
allergies. She says it mellows him out. If it's something that your
vet thinks won't hurt DD, it might be worth a try. If the over-grooming
is from allergies and/or nervousness, it could help on both counts. My
Hello again,
In my struggle to understand and accept the fact that Scullyis no longer aroundI havediscovered a few things that give me comfort. Maybe this will comfort others too.
Cats are apparently notorious for hiding pain. I read somewhere that the stronger thebond between a cat and it's
it's been mentioned a number of times recently bout how hard it is to
find vets who are sympathetic/knowledgable about FeLVs--so a reminder
for all of us to add the good ones at
http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi.
there are only 17 listed so far (yeah, i
We have given Benadryl to our dogs for anxiety also, like during
thunderstorms, as well as for allergies.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 5:51:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a
client, (I'm a dog trainer), that uses benadryl for her Lab's
allergies.
Dear Hideyo:
I can't really add anything to what Nina said and said so well.
I am a bit surprised, however, to hear that the vet sent her home with you so
soon after the surgery. Didn't you say she had only been awake for 100-15
min.??
I volunteer with an organization that does Spay/Neuter
Dear Patti:
If you haven't read Dr. Martin Goldstein's book, The Nature of Animal Healing
, I recommend it highly. He has much to say about the overuse of many drugs
(especially steroids), and the negative effects they can have long term on
immune function. While steroids may seem like a
Hideyo,
That is just awful. I'm so sorry.
tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you very much for your kind words.
The worse part is that no one knew that/when she passed away in a carrier until I drove her back in the car and started talking to her. She was waiting for
Yes,
It definitely helps her when I'm home. She, another female, and one of my males actually stalk each other. She does it too. I can't figure out who the real instigator is.. but when I'm home it's much better. But.. somebody's got to go to work to pay the bills for the cats. lol. If it
Thank you for writing to me.
I am certainly responsible in a way that I requested that I picked up
Suzi (and all the other kitties I have spayed/neutered I the past)as
soon as the surgery was done in stead of them waiting at the clinic for
the rest of the day - this was suggested by Dr. Addie who
Yeah, my vet's on the list...
Her name has changed, Belinda, you might want to change it.
Cat Clinic of Roswell in GA. Dr. Gatch is back to Dr. Merck short marriage.
Also, I wonder who posted that. I don't think I did because I wouldn't have known the second phone number.
Hi Barbara,
I just talked with Brenda about refilling my feliway plug ins. I didn't notice that much difference with them when I used them in the past. Maybe another try in more locations. lol. Thanks for the info!
tBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i would splurge also on that Feliway
at the sanctuary, there are FeLVs who made it to 15 years! in kittens
born with it, the crisis times seem to be 3-4 months, then again at 6-7
(when mom's immunity wears off?), then again around 18-20 months. after
that, it really varied.
i'm willing to bet that were we able to retest all the
Hideyo,
I too insist on picking up my animals very soon after surgery. I bring
them home while they're still unconscious and very fortunately, I've
never had a problem. It sounds like there must have been something
wrong that day. What did the vet say about them having a swollen
throat and
As you know already, I rescued
Ginger about 4 months ago at the parking lot at my work (I had rescued 8 other
cats from the colony a couple of years ago also ) Gingers mom is
still out there and I have always wanted to rescue her, but I have not
but now Ginger is positive, and am
Tonya,
Please, please try the Benadryl. My Patches does the
same thing, and it is stress not allergies, and the Benadryl helps and does not
seem to have side effects.
Michelle
Hideyo,
I know why you feel the way you do. But I read
your description of what happened and what you did. I would have done exactly
the same thing as you without any changes. I would have jumped at the
chance to pick them up right after surgery instead of leaving them there all
day, if it
Tonya,
I use plug-in and on top of that I spray the spray every
morning. I think it helps to do both.
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 7:21:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Barbara,
I just talked with Brenda about refilling my feliway plug ins. I
Poor Charlie,
I wish I could take him. I had an fiv that sounds a lot like him. Honestly, out of the many, many cats I've dealt with, he was the sweetest cat I've ever known. Everyone wanted to take him from me!
He basically had no ears left when I found him from scratching at ear mites. After
Michelle,
My heart goes out to you, you have been thru so much. I don't
know of anyone around here that has romm for another FIV+, sorry, but here are
some sites you could cross post on. I actuallywas able to place some
seniors and disabled cats using a couple of these sites. It's worth a
Patti, thank you so, so much! I had just found the FIV yahoo group and
joined and posted about him. I will post about him on all the other addresses
you sent me too. Thank you!!!
Michelle
In a message dated 2/17/05 9:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My heart
Charlie sounds like such a wonderful guy. I know of one local person
that just lost her FIV cat, she swore 'never again', but we all know
that's not true. I'm forwarding your email about Charlie to her.
Something that has occurred to me in the past, I'm not sure how to even
go about it, but...
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