i usually find that my boy cats are the best protectors of the little
ones!
MC
Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
I know, it is just tough the first few days, especially because
this is the smallest I have ever hadI am worried about someone
sitting on her head lol.
TenHouseCats [EMAIL
i've used pediatric liquid benadryl with excellent results. i know that,
someplace, i read that the overgrooming can start as a response to an
acute condition, but then becomes almost more of a habit--that nothing
seems to stop it once it gets started. that's been the case in a couple
of my
it's been mentioned a number of times recently bout how hard it is to
find vets who are sympathetic/knowledgable about FeLVs--so a reminder
for all of us to add the good ones at
http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi.
there are only 17 listed so far (yeah, i
at the sanctuary, there are FeLVs who made it to 15 years! in kittens
born with it, the crisis times seem to be 3-4 months, then again at 6-7
(when mom's immunity wears off?), then again around 18-20 months. after
that, it really varied.
i'm willing to bet that were we able to retest all the
starting this sunday, there's a series of chats/panels dealing with
rescue--here's a link to the cat ones.
the instructions for accessing the chats is included on the page; if
folks have any questions, contact me at this address, or in my
alternate identity, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
incidentally, these
the full schedule--all species, all topics is here:
http://www.pethobbyist.com/ChatWeek7.html
the cat-specific schedule (including Feline Digital Photography with
Helmi Flick tonight) is at
http://www.cathobbyist.com/CatChat7.html
a special note about a chat that it'd be nice to have FeLV
don't know about B-12, but B-Complex is sort of chartreuse!
MC
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Could someone confirm with me about this is the color of V-B 12 injection
sort of cranberry type red?
very interesting site
sounds as if not ALL stories will be accepted; are FeLVs considered
handicapped/disabled?...
MC
see what happens when you let your cats have keys to the front door?
they let all their friends in! hee hee counting to see if any new
ones have appeared in my household lately
MC
holding oreo and his whole family in light! what's a little loss of
bladder control, anyway, in the larger scheme of things? i'm glad he
got to come home where he belongs.
MC
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:43:03 -0700, Hideyo Yamamoto
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Our little Shitsu dog is coming home
sending GLOW (prayers/white light/healing thoughts/love, whatever you
need!) for the little one. and for YOU.
but DO want to remind you that your adult cats are probably safe even
if this little one is FeLV--healthy adult cats usually throw the virus
off. it takes prolonger, persistent contact to
the same people who have bumper stickers that read, looking for you
cat? check under my rear tires. (have seen about 4 of those around
here)
hideyo, i would be very interested in seeing any info showing
non-aggressive contact passing the FIV virus--that goes against
everything i have read and if there IS such info, it's important that
all of us with positives know! (i tend to suspect it's not current
info, but since things change so
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hideyo, i would be very interested in seeing any info showing
non-aggressive contact passing the FIV virus
on the other paw, nina (that phrase is how you can tell i'm a
libra)--sometimes i think we judge a cat's comfort needs in our
terms rather than in theirs. WE may not want to live in one room, but
for someone who's never known regular shelter, food, care,
warmth--perhaps it IS enough for them.
oh, heavens, yes, chris--not only that, but to a great degree, all FIV
really seems to do is make cats big, lazy and couch-potatoes...
seriously--from the experiences at the FIV/FeLV sanctuary, the
HEALTHIEST population--including the owner-surrenders, strays and
ferals, were the FIVs.
three
part of the problem is that we don't know anything about these guys'
history BEFORE they come to us--even with young cats, we don't know
what diseases/illnesses they've had before, what genetic problems they
are carrying around etc. so it's hard to know which is their past and
which is the
re: negative thyroid panel--at the sanctuary we had an FIV+ with
similar symptoms and similar test results. it looked SO much like
hyperthyroid to us that we asked our vet if giving him tapazole would
hurt anyway. he said that he couldn't find anything that said it was
contraindicated, and it
aw, steve, i'm sorry. i've been sending GLOW (which is white
light/healing/good thoughts/love/prayers/whatever anyone wants or
needs it to be) for you and loki. GLOW always works--just not always
in the way that we humans want. guess this time it was to make his
transition easy, to light his way
hip hip meow for felix!
i just went and signed up for the newsletter from the ASPCA from my
home-town, and one of their website's features was a Pet-Friendly
Housing section. i know that there are such lists SOMEPLACE (like
everything else, i've seen them on the net somewhere, but have no
pumpkin is one of those wonder foods that works for both constipation
AND diarrhea--if, as noted, you can get the cat to eat it! oddly
enough, maine coons seem to LOVE it
it's an easy one to try, tho; with everything, some things work with
one cat while others require something else
well, sounds like the other thing you have to consider is what'll
happen to you when you trip over the hubby or cat and end up with a
broken leg yourself? hee hee
MC
karolyn, there is no credible evidence at this point that FIV passes
in ANY way other than DEEP, PENETRATING bites--certainly not by
licking! it has to be blood to blood, and even rough play bites do not
seem to be a problem. remember that FIV+ generally passes during
serious male to male fights
um, let me rephrase that one sentence: so that any bite inflicted
will not be deep enough to pass the virus. (sometimes i wonder if
meow was my first language, explaining my increasing inability to
write a complete sentence)
MC
dumb question, probably, but can this be used in non-positive cats as
well with high wbc/lymphocytes? i have a friend in california with a
kitty they can't figure out what is happening with, tho all the normal
blood values other than lympho- and leuko-cytes which remain high.
MC
tad, my thoughts are with you, as well.
thank you for loving her. there really is no greater gift we can give
anyone/anything, no matter how short their time with us is.
MaryChristine
yep, any GOOD greyhound rescue pre-tests because it's such a big
issue. one friend has greys who LOVES her cats, and ANY cats,
actually--loves to clean out their ears. greys are good if you
have horses, too--easy to exercise!
bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV
needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that
what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this
i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed
FeLVs would be willing/able to
nina, GREAT reminder about the medical model that infects human and veterinary medicine:
diagnose-medicate-cure-dismiss.
chronic illnesses short-circuit this simple plan. not only are
patients/guardians blamed when there is no cure, but once a single
diagnosis is made, most of the time ANYTHING
well, this is where we have to get the science people in if a cat
tests positive, it means it's been exposed to the virus. i would THINK
that if it's gonna be able to throw the virus off (develop an immunity
to the virus), it's gonna do that anyway. ie, if it's a healthy cat to
start with who
the good news is that vets aren't automatically euthanizing all cats
who test positive for FeLV, the bad news is that vets aren't
automatically euthanizing all cats who test positive for FeLV...
outreach to rescues? it's not that hard to find breed rescues, and even
if we all just individually
again, this is where my grasp of the medical falls short.
i don't know what research has been done re: prevalence of false
positives, how/if they relate to the tests used, and other factors.
which, again, brings up the issue of whether a healthy, adult cat
that's exposed to the virus (even if
okay, first word back from the experts is that it probably would NOT be
a good idea to put a cat who might be fighting off the virus in with
positives--if the immune system is busy fighting off the virus to start
with, it doesn't need the added stress. especially since there are
different
aw, thanks, kerry!
i don't think the issue is trying to convince people to do what they
cannot or are not comfortable doing--but you were able to do what you
have done because you adequate information to make the decision i am grateful that i have learned what i have about FeLV, and discovered things about
um, if something is easy, it's not a problem, is it? evil kitty grin
it can be both, actually--starting out as an allergic reaction, then
hanging on as a behavioral pattern (is ANYTHING simple?)
i think that is the best we can do--at times at the sanctuary, as all
the info swirled around re: which tests do what, when they work, if
they work, what they test for, how often they need to be repeated, is
PCR the answer, is the IFA the best, the director wondered if there was
a point to testing
there's a chewable baytril, too, that some cats seem to like a lot
i've solved it a different way--i use house-call vets! (that way, it's only the vet who needs any tranquilizing)
when the vet is coming, i start moving them all into the bedroom one at
a time early in the day hee hee... one black persian, known for
escaping from locked rooms, is the only one i have a serious problem
corralling...
and our house-call vets are cheaper than most of the usual ones! (we
have
THANK YOU!
getting everyone together to sew hundreds of thousands very small
orange vests to ship to wisconsin:
i don't remember the bus-stop incident, but i DO recall a similar case
where a woman was shot in her yard after having been mistaken for a
deer by a first-time hunter, and the person who killed her was
prosecuted but found not guilty.
and i've sat in a friend's lakeside home and heard the bullets
wonderful news!
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bless you for bringing her home!
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or as my sainted mother used to say, time wounds all heels
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good point, nina--some cats just seem to need to remain on antibiotics
(despite the obvious drawbacks) to keep from relapsing...
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clavamox,
react REALLY badly to it, okay? that'll show them!)
then there's always amoxy, better known to most cats i know by it's
clinical name, yucky pink stuff.
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to
swell. yep, my docs and i panicked appropriately, but after lots
of testing and weird procedures, it turned out to be nothing to worry
about at all!
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or illness to protect against, so the screening has worked
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(this
still blows me away) TEN HOURS. so we expect people to understand
about our furkids??
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thank you, nina. i'm speechless. allowing people to mourn/process
transition (of whatever sort--anything that changes how we identify
ourselves is a loss of sorts, even the good things) seems such an
obvious human need.
of course, i feel the same way about loving one another, too
--
words are so inadequate gloria's suggestions are indeed the best
i tell people i'm there if they need to talk or cry or scream; i'll
also ask them (usually after the initial shock is over and they can
think!) if there's anything specific i can do for them. everyone's
experience is
hee hee--be really careful about those persians, they really grow on
you! when FirstCat went to the bridge, i needed a black kitten and the
only one in town was a persian. thought they were terribly
funny-looking, but i figured by the time she grew up, i'd be used to
the way she looked. that was
oh, my, that brings up something i rarely think about. buddha,
FirstCat, was one of those who would always cock her head to listen to
whatever you had to say. she'd done it from the very beginning, so i
didn't really even realize how much a part of who she was to me
the day after she went to
oh, kyle, i am so sorry--everyone else has said all the things i am
thinking and feeling; thank you for loving her so much. GLOW to light
her way safely on, and to heal your hearts.
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do a google search for pet sympathy cards--there are a lot of places
that offer them now, some really nice my favorite site doesn't
exist anymore, which is too bad because they let you put the pet's
name into the main body text.
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of course, they returned to ferality once the course
of treatment was done--i mean, one does have to maintain the balance
of power, after all
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NEVER underestimate the importance of house-call vets--some of my
older cats have never been out to a vet since they came into the house
from shelters! i can't imagine having to deal with that again!
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it
perhaps we should work together, as caretakers of special cats, to
come up with a questionnaire of things we've all learned to look
for?
and the COLDEST vet i've ever worked with was at a cat-only practice!
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to be totally feral--one of my favorite warped things
to do is sneak up on her and pet her because i KNOW it's largely
an act. her name, appropriately enough, is sybil
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i'll have to find one of my favorite photos--a close-up of two cats
that is titled, what part of feral don't you get?
i have a GREAT feral-transformation story if people want to hear it
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this
experience??)
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because they're CATS, silly!
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clearly are...
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or FeLV to my cats,
my standard answer was that i wasn't at all concerned because i was
neither sleeping with the sanctuary cats, nor coming home and
inflicting deep penetrating bites to my cats somewhat mixed
science, but people got the idea)
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that's why you find sitters you know WELL, and who are as paranoid
about their pets (whom they go home to visit, of course) as you are!
the other option is to just get an rv and take the cats WITH you
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you're very observant--i totally missed that nepotic connection!
On 5/10/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terri,
Do I have this right? You are married to your sister's husband's brother?
Do you happen to be sets of twins as well?
Nina
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the cupboard over the refrigerator? no, but the door's
closed. ha--guess where she was? it had been one of her favorite
places to hide when we lived there--so i knew just where to find her!
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probably more info than you even needed!
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arrive on her doorstep in the next
months, huh?)
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what goes around comes around for sure--sometimes, tho, i just wish it
happened sooner and i could get to watch time wounds all heels,
after all
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i hadn't realized there WAS such a website, actually, just did a
google search--but i used to have the books by the same name.
(lost in the divorce back in 79!) so was excited to see it!
-positive one ordering two more condo cages
tomorrow!)
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GLOW coming your way to ease everyone's pain--
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thank you for loving him so much; GLOW to light his way home if that's
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know a lot of
folks who use it with no problems) nevertheless, whether it was
migraines or just not wanting to live around someone who put out
orange peels and bay leaves, the roaches moved out...
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GLOW to all of you; i'm sorry.
i don't know if we can EVER be sure when the time is right, but i now
ask them to tell me when they are ready to go, and then try to listen
to THEM and not my own desire to keep them with me
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that's be my guess, too--that, or that he's so confused about the
change in the energy in the house--and the grief--that he doesn't know
how to deal with it and wants away from it
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the roaches he shares his space with VERY funny)
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YES--diatomaceous earth is a great suggestion; i'd forgotten all about it!
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yourself for a very long time. I
hope your dream message from her helped you--was a turning point for
you. They are such sweethearts...
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and thrive in warmer climes.
I'm
told that they enjoy heat sooo much that if nuclear blasts
kill
most other forms of life on earth...the roaches will survive.
eeeuuu
Kathy and Deirdre
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i'd
jamie, i am so sorry i didn't know you from before, but have been
reading all the posts
what a great vet you found, tho i wish you hadn't had to
GLOW for all who loved andy...
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gone through our own losses. you are
welcome to visit, anywhere along the journey--before, during,
after
http://chat.pethobbyist.com/login.php?room_name=Haven%20-%20Pet%20Loss%20Support
just scroll down on the page and come as a guest
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can we have to communicate with compassion and
honesty amongst ourselves, for the good of the critters...
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i've often wondered about the electronic ones, too--wonder if there's
a consumer-ratings place? consumer reports?
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there, past and present...
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yep, it's definitely a known reaction.to taking it, in my
experience, rather than following discontinuing it--someone else may
know more about that end of it!
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in the cases i've seen, unless the kitty was hyperthyroid
On 5/25/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks MC. Poor little thing doesn't look scary enough, now she has to
lose her hair too? It does grow back, right?
Nina
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